‘Secede’ Billboard in Tallahassee, Florida

YouTube, February 19, 2014

On February 17, 2014, the League of the South unveiled a billboard with the message of ‘secede’ in front of the capital building in Tallahassee, Florida.

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  • MekongDelta69

    The League of the South wants Florida freed from the Union.

    And the problem is…??

    • Rhialto

      The problem is that it won’t happen (anytime soon).

      • Long Live Dixie

        Whether soon or not, it will happen when the US empire is in advanced stages of collapse. It is best to spend time now preparing the people for the inevitable.

        • John K

          The South will rise again, it’s just a matter of when.

      • sbuffalonative

        Florida is where liberal New Yorkers go to retire. They won’t give it up without a fight.

        • bilderbuster

          They flew the white flag of surrender in the form of ‘For Sale’ signs pretty quickly when the Cuban’s invaded Miami. Disney’s turning into a White ‘fantasy island’ surrounded by Puerto Ricans.

        • Geo1metric

          North Florida, including the panhandle, is still pretty rural and Southron. The Florida “crackas” still hold sway.

        • John K

          Don’t be so sure. Liberals are cowards, it won’t take much to make them flee.

        • Bunky

          They’re fleeing Broward and Palm Beach counties pretty quickly after they effed them up.

      • DonReynolds

        These things take time. Thank goodness it won’t happen next week. We are not prepared yet, but we will be.
        At the time of the Russian Revolution, Lenin was living in Switzerland, convinced there would never be a revolution in his lifetime. Things happen when you least expect it.

        • Sick of it

          Lenin was backed by some of the richest, most powerful people in the world.

          • John K

            Sounds eerily like Obama.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    Any serious right- winger knows that exit is the only option at this point.

    • So CAL Snowman

      That or the rise of White fascism/national socialism

      • Sick of it

        I’m honestly concerned that the longer we wait to do what must be done, the more violent everything will become. I’d rather a new nation or multiple new nations be formed than everything descend into bloody slaughter.

        • John K

          It’s already at that point. The blacks declared war on whites with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We’re just waiting for many of the whites to pull their heads out of their rears and come out of denial.

          • Sick of it

            It’s not quite to the point of every man turning against his neighbor (including whites btw), war on every street. That’s what I do not want.

    • DonReynolds

      It must be clear by now that our country is deeply divided and we are (and have been for a long time) incompatible peoples. The marriage has never worked and the best thing now is to seek an uncontested divorce before there is some serious domestic violence. Then we can both seek happiness in our own way.

  • thomas edward

    At some point, there will be a de facto secession of some sort. I think it’ll start in the west though.

    • sbuffalonative

      The federal government will do everything they can to put up roadblocks so it won’t be easy or happen soon. And what president wants to go down in history as having presided over the break up of the US?

      I can see it happening but things are going to have to get pretty bad socially and economically ; and I’m not talking about one or two race riots.

      • Conrad

        In such a case the secession of one state should not be goal. We should take the entire country.

        • LACountyRedneck

          Yes. Individual secession would be more difficult for them to deal with. I’ve personally already seceded. Might sound funny but I’m done with our government. Hide your money.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I’ve read all your posts here expecting you to have some insight on CA’s 6/state split referendum. What is your take? Is Silicon Valley and Hollyweird finally protecting themselves from the swarm of Hispanic locusts?

        • DonReynolds

          One state would be very difficult and no state wants to be the first. The South is the only part of the country that has the regional identity necessary to pull it off. Imagine Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, and all states south of that. That would be a third of the land and a third of the people. Let the other states decide what they want to do. At that moment the Feds are done.

      • DonReynolds

        …..or we can skip the bloodbath and part as friends. The moment the Feds agree to negotiate, the end will be in sight.

        • Sick of it

          The Feds won’t agree to negotiate because they are front-men for others who desire to rule the entire world. They don’t have any real authority. Just ask Kennedy. Oh wait, he was shot in the head.

      • PvtCharlieSlate

        What president wants to go down in history as having presided over the break up of the US?

        Without the least bit of effort I can think of one right now.

    • Who Me?

      Northwestfront[DOT]org

    • Geo1metric

      “Prairie fires.”

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Activism, it’s a good thing.

    But if actual secession is impractical at this point, I’ll gladly accept a Swiss style Canton system, some of the Cantons would be within states, some might stretch across states.

    • DonReynolds

      The Swiss are a Confederation of states. Sound familiar? Might work fine here.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        It just might be the case that too many people, in fact too many Southerners, are still morally invested in “Amurrika” for real secession to work, right now.

        The Canton model is also reminiscent of the Holy Roman Empire, which of course was none of those three things.

        • DonReynolds

          Read up on the actual votes on secession last time. Tennessee voted down secession only to vote again after Ft. Sumter in favor.

    • Peter Connor

      We had that in 1789, gave it up for tjhe Constitution and a central govt which went rogue, of course.

      • Geo1metric

        “…and a central govt which went rogue, of course.”

        Which is exactly what was predicted by the anti-federalists. The articles of “Confederation” were doing just fine for their intended purposes, but the “federalists” won the day and here we are.

        • Peter Connor

          Very true, the great patriot Patrick Henry predicted the whole mess.

        • Sick of it

          The Federalists were not themselves fond of government out of control, they simply did not want the new nation so weak as to be overcome by the British Empire (and then there were the currency issues). A very credible threat for decades after we earned our freedom.

          Of course, the Anti-Federalists are my own personal heroes, but one should not heap scorn upon some of our Founders for something which, quite frankly, is not their fault. They created a system of checks and balances. We allowed foreign scum to overthrow said system. To be blunt, they would have killed anyone who tried. Modern Americans are to blame for this mess, not the Founders (Washington and Madison were Federalists btw).

          • Geo1metric

            I generally agree with you.

  • Spartacus

    It’s a start… But at one point you’re gonna have to get violent about it. George Washington and all the other founding fathers of America didn’t do this over a cup of tea, did they ?

    • RisingReich

      It’s all half the people on here and especially the moderators of this site can handle is for folks like us to point this out. Seem to really hate us for stating the obvious.

      I’ve had more posts deleted this last week on this site than I did in the last YEAR of posting here.

      “If you want to know who runs your Country, look to whom you can’t ridicule.”
      This site has basically declared itself a Kosher zone.

      Bet this one gets a$$canned also.

      • So CAL Snowman

        Check out dailystormer(dot)com

        All of the same information but no comment moderation

    • Conrad

      We will never TALK the pro-white-genocide crowd into giving up their mad dream.

      • LACountyRedneck

        We can do it without them. That or it will never happen.

    • LACountyRedneck

      Exactly. We should secede by force or it will never happen. Simply disobeying the government is a good start.

      • DonReynolds

        Defiance is the beginning of Freedom.

    • DonReynolds

      Washington said…..Preparedness for war is the best guarantee of peace. A Southern Army could be as many as 5 or 10 million volunteers in a short period of time. Even the US military would not like the odds and the politicians in Washington are not up to the job. The threat alone may be enough to start negotiations.

      • Sick of it

        They’re too arrogant and have too much hardware to back down. It will be bloody.

  • Luca

    Liberals may hate the Right but they don’t want secession, they are the parasites that need other people’s money.

    • sbuffalonative

      Yes, they know they need a productive work force to keep things going. They couldn’t possibly sustain their welfare state Utopia with their current cast of unproductive victims. And when it fails, who could they blame?

  • antiquesunlight

    RISE UP!!!!

  • JSS

    Secession is utterly pointless with out the intention of creating a White ethno state. The diversity will follow us where ever we go. It’s time to just say no to diversity.

    • Long Live Dixie

      What makes you think the League wants diversity? The League seeks an independent homeland for the Southern people.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        I don’t know how old you are or how long you’ve been following the LoS, formerly known as the Southern League. But in its early days, it was Rainbow Confederate all the way.

        • Long Live Dixie

          The League has been changing in the last few years. It is definitely moving on from its Rainbow days.

      • JSS

        Well I hope your not including all your black diversity as “Southern people”.

        • Long Live Dixie

          Certainly not. The Southern people are primarily an Anglo-Celtic people. The blacks are a separate people with a separate identity.

          • JSS

            Being from N.C. originally I would certainly support the League if thats the case. But these sorts of groups have a tendency to always try and prove they aren’t racist when accused, which they will be.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I can understand your hesitancy based on the League’s past. But I can assure you things are changing.

            The League actively promotes the mantra these days. I don’t know anyone in the League who tries to prove he isn’t “racist”.

          • LACountyRedneck

            If the LOTS shuts out Whites for the same cause, it’ll never happen. We don’t have enough race realist Whites as it is. Better to form White states where there isn’t already much diversity. The south is full of bantu. States around Wyoming are still highly White.

          • LHathaway

            please changer yer name. . ?

          • LACountyRedneck

            I was going to remove the reference to L.A. I just like knowing where people are from.

          • DonReynolds

            There is an island of Republican states in the western High Plains that is already white as milk and the white nationalists have been moving there for years. That is where you will find the white homeland.
            Forget about the South if your interest is in white only.
            Think instead of Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, Utah, and the Dakotas.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Excellent. Colorado isn’t on my list. I still need to research Kansas. But you are absolutely correct. Moving to a White state and defending it is what I want.

          • Sick of it

            When I was a toddler, Nebraska had a congressional representative who was both black and a homosexual child predator. You’re focusing on the wrong sort of people.

          • DonReynolds

            I am glad you brought up that point. Just because people are white does not mean they are libertarian or conservative. Maine in my favorite example……almost uniformly white, but a Liberal population.
            I suspect, it is much easier to be a Liberal in an all-white society…..where the dangers of racial conflict are only something you see on television or read about. People who experience that danger every day are less likely to take that danger lightly.

          • Sick of it

            New Hampshire disturbs me. Those folks used to be highly independent and skeptical of government, thus our natural friends, but they seem to have swallowed the liberal Kool-Aid over time.

          • Geo1metric

            Lots of excellent resources in those states, but where’s the access to the ocean?

          • Long Live Dixie

            If the LOTS shuts out Whites for the same cause, it’ll never happen.

            No successful nationalist movement has had an open door policy that allows all whites, regardless or roots, to join. Actually, the moment any organisation adopts such a policy it stops being a nationalist movement.

            Better to form White states where there isn’t already much diversity. The south is full of bantu. States around Wyoming are still highly White.

            The League is not a white nationalist organisation. The League is not checking demographic information to pick a spot on the map where a new white state can be created. Instead, the League is working to free the land that the Southern people have lived on for countless generations. Our people are deeply rooted here and we have no intention of leaving. The blacks themselves are not an enormous problem and can easily be contained when Southern political power is a reality. The threats to our survival and well-being have always come from the North.

          • SoulInvictus

            ” The blacks themselves are not an enormous problem and can easily be contained when Southern political power is a reality.”
            Again, that alone would require force and bloodshed that there simply isn’t a public will or stomach for here.
            I don’t see how you think otherwise without departing from reality.
            You’d have to napalm entire cities to quell opposition. Birmingham, Montgomery and Atlanta just to start. What do you think would be the reaction to that from the rest of the US and the world…

          • Sick of it

            “States around Wyoming are still highly White.”

            And extraordinarily liberal. They will give their daughters to the black and brown men. They will bow as slaves. They will not fight for their freedom. Look at that part of the country today…

          • LACountyRedneck

            Top 5 most Conservative states in order are 1) Wyoming, 2) Mississippi, 3) Idaho, 4) Utah, 5) Montana, So as you can see 4 of the top 5 are adjacent to Wyoming.

          • Sick of it

            As always, it depends upon one’s definition of conservative. Maybe if you think Mitt Romney is conservative, in which case you’d consider a good chunk of my state’s population to be right-wing extremists (LA).

          • SoulInvictus

            And again (because it never seems to register with the north/midwest homeland people), parked on top of a supervolcano overdue for eruption and facing a near term water crisis of epic proportions.

          • Sick of it

            True, plus we have plenty of ports in the South. Lots of good soil, good weather for crops, etc.

          • Sangraal

            What’s your take on LotS’s expulsion of Matt Heimbach?
            I think that politically, it was pointless for Heimbach to forge alliances with isolated, marginal, ineffectual skinheads and Klan re-enactors, but kicking him out seems like an over-reaction on the League’s part.

          • Long Live Dixie

            It’s not my place to comment on League decisions like that and I don’t know the circumstances surrounding his expulsion. What I do know is that I talked to Heimbach several times online and it was pretty clear to me that he is not a Southern nationalist. He’s a smart kid who seems to not have fully formed his worldview. Maybe he will come around when he matures.

      • BonV.Vant

        They will have to rethink their position about being for just “southern white people” if they expect to have any chance of success.

        • Long Live Dixie

          How so? What pan-European movement can you cite as an example that pan-Europeanism is the path to success? And what defines success? From a Southern nationalist perspective, the sucess of a non-SN organisation is no success at all. Southern nationalism =/= white nationalism.

          • Sick of it

            German nationalism nearly changed the course of history for an entire continent. Russian nationalism did (albeit in a perverted form). Technically, one could say American nationalism led to the creation of our country after a war against the most powerful empire in the world. Nationalism works, but America is, as you and others have stated, a land of many different nationalities today, with the Southron people being the only sizable white group. Everyone else seems to have forgotten their roots.

          • SoulInvictus

            ” What pan-European movement can you cite as an example that pan-Europeanism is the path to success?”

            Pre-1960’s America worked pretty well. Pre-1860’s even better.
            If Northerners had a crystal ball back then, the War would never have happened. Give them one night of news broadcast from modern Detroit, Baltimore, or Philly… and Lincoln would have been immediately impeached. Since then it’s been a steady boiling of the frog with diversification and leftist propaganda to combat the obvious.
            You and I have had this debate before. It’s almost as absurd as the “northwest homeland” people that want to tie our fate to a region sitting on top of a super volcano that is also running out of water.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Pre-1960’s America worked pretty well. Pre-1860’s even better.

            Lol! Right, pre-1960s America worked so well that it led directly to what we have today. America has been a disaster from the start. I have no interest in recreating the disaster by simply turning the clock back a few years.

            If Northerners had a crystal ball back then, the War would never have happened.

            That’s debatable. It is well known that a high percentage of Union soldiers were either New England abolitionists or German communists. I have a hard time believing that anyone who marches towards battle singing “John Brown’s Body” would be offended by Obama’s policies.

            If my option is Irish, Italian, German and Ukrainian neighbors, then that is the kind of diversity I can live with.

            More power to you. However, I prefer that the South retain its traditional population. I’m not interested in creating a rootless white melting pot here that can easily be exploited by the race-destroyers.

            As for the rest of your post, I have explained many times how white unity is bad for the Southern people and bad for whites in general. I have also explained how it is an impractical fantasy to think that Yankees will get over their Negrophilia and their hatred of the South and unite with us for a common racial goal. Pigs will fly before that happens. The Southern nationalist movement is getting back on its feet after decades of dormancy, it is taking the struggle to the streets, and it is actively promoting our racial interests, yet all I hear from white nationalists is negativity. I say if you don’t like it, start something in your own land that is better and leave us alone. Start a white unity club in Vermont, Wisconsin, or Oregon. Lol! I have no use for advice from Yankee know-it-alls. We Southrons have always known how to deal with race without your people buzzing around our ears giving unhelpful advice. We are not about to give up on our folk or our native land just because a bunch of people on the internet think we would be better off uniting with the habitually Leftist North.

          • SoulInvictus

            Oh, I meant to say…
            “Folkish nationalism appeals to the people much more than impractical abstracts like white unity do.”
            You’re very right on that too. It’s more motivational on the small scale. But in the reverse, things that would end up having national effect, I’m not sure how swaying regional loyalties would play. The civil rights movement for example, wouldn’t have nearly the same impact done on a local level only. This seems comparable since in essence we’re talking about a civil rights issue.

          • SoulInvictus

            ” America has been a disaster from the start.”
            I don’t think so. The Constitution and Republic were a great start. If that had been more closely adhered to, it would have precluded many of our modern problems.

            “That’s debatable.”
            Also, I don’t think so. Even the most rabid of abolitionist would have been horrified at what walking down the streets of today’s Baltimore would show them. As with the heroes that landed on Normandy, they really had no idea what enabling Russia would bring or what their descendants would allow to metastasize.

            “I’m not interested in creating a rootless white melting pot here that can easily be exploited by the race-destroyers.”
            Valid point. But I’m looking at the larger picture. Doesn’t do the South a lot of good if the rest of Western Christendom is overrun by Muslims and the like. At some point, you have to think globally or you end up as alone as the Afrikaners.

            “Southern nationalist movement”
            Too much historical baggage, and would require wholesale slaughter to eliminate opposition in Bham, Atlanta, Montgomery, Jackson, Mobile, etc. Just to name the first few that come to mind. I can’t see how an idea like that would ever get mainstream footing.

            “without your people”
            Me and mine are from about as deep south as you can get without hitting the Gulf so I’m not sure if that was intended for me.

          • Long Live Dixie

            The Constitution and Republic were a great start.

            I don’t consider a union with people who don’t like us, who seek to dominate us, who outnumber us, and who come from a different civilisation to be a great start. This is compounded by the fact that we split with the British Caribbean – our natural allies and kinsmen – so that we could ally and eventually unite with the strangers to our north. It was sheer folly borne of the mushy headedness of the Enlightenment Age and its consequences very soon proved to be a disaster for us.

            Doesn’t do the South a lot of good if the rest of Western Christendom is overrun by Muslims and the like.

            True, but irrelevant. I have never said the South is an island disconnected from fellow Westerners.

          • SoulInvictus

            As the turrible turrible legacy people like to constantly remind us, a lot of the founding fathers were southern slave owners. The Virginia dynasty alone accounting for most of the country’s early leadership. I’m not sure why you see it (initially) as a union with strangers from a different civilization that held disproportionate power over the South. It didn’t start that way despite how things ended up later on. My contention was that if we’d stuck along the lines of what those same VA dynasty people imagined, then it would be much the same as the CSA philosophically.
            Georgia was a bunch of convicts, so not sure where the proud legacy there is. Though I guess if we’re generalizing about inceptions you could say the same of Australia. I could see more of a natural alliance between Australia and the former South Africans than with the North in the event of a US collapse.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I’m not sure why you see it (initially) as a union with strangers from a different civilization that held disproportionate power over the South.

            It was always a contest for power and Southerners were always outnumbered by non-Southerners, from the very first day of the union to the present.

            A much better idea would have been to unite with our natural kin in the British Caribbean, even if that meant remaining in the British Empire for a few more generations.

          • Talltrees

            Can you be more specific as to who are the Yankee know-it-alls? If you are referring to liberals, there are many conservatives in the North just as fed-up as you. Let’s not generalize.

            You sound like you are living in the 1800’s. You say you can handle blacks. Good luck with that. Tell me what are you going to do with Mexicans who breed like rabbits or isn’t Texas, New Mexico and Arizona in your plans? Just what states are included in your new country?

          • SoulInvictus

            Fairly certain he was referring to me. Though I was clear last time we had this conversation where I’m from and how long we’ve been here. Never been called a Yankee know it all before lol…

            Easy to mix people up I guess with so many folks commenting on here. As my folks, long ago, were of Welsh and German stock, then I don’t see the issue with having distant cousins escape to our fantasy southern republic.

          • Talltrees

            Thanks. I know he was responding to you. My ‘pushy’ White Yankee conservative ‘know-it-all,’ ‘superior,’ mentality forced me to comment.

            It’s troubling that we have been working on getting all Whites (at least conservatives) to join our movement, which includes all of them everywhere in the country. Now, it appears we are being split by an opposing force where we should be unified. Pretty much like Europeans fighting each other during World Wars I and II.

            I’m not concerned about preserving Northern heritage as I am preserving the White race. I don’t get it. Northern conservatives do not hate Southerners. They might resent Southern attitude towards them.

            White liberals may not want to break up the country, but can we blame them? I love all of it and don’t want to see it. Can anyone here honestly say they want that to occur? We can safely say, we want our current leaders gone, but not break up the country. I don’t know. Maybe, Southerners hate it enough to want that. Even if the current administration was removed and we returned to being governed by the Constitution. Not that that is hopeful.

            As for seceding,

            “In Texas v. White, December 1868, Texas had become part of “an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states. But the possibility of secession exists through a revolution or if states agreed.”

            I pledge Allegiance to the flag
            of the ‘UNITED STATES’ of America
            and to the Republic for which it stands,
            ‘ONE NATION’ under God, ‘INDIVISIBLE,’
            with Liberty and Justice for all.

            Indivisible – Incapable of being divided.

            Don’t know if all 50 states have to agree or a specific number?

            The South has heavy obstacles to overcome.

            Are most Amren readers and posters Southerners? White conservative Northerners, where are you?

          • Tom B.

            Research the writer of the Pledge of Allegiance and its intention. It has never been the South with heavy obstacles to overcome. It has always been the overbearing meanness from the North that has created the problems. We just wanted a peaceful separation. As to this desire to form a white ethnostate, I am all for it. So lets do this—do a quick demographics study of the Northern states vs. the Southern states. I think you will find that the South is far more burdened with blacks and Mexicans. If I am correct to say that the North, for the most part, is the whitest area of the country, excepting the sparsely populated Western states then what is the hang-up? Why drag the South into it at all—we are the ones with the biggest problem, right? So why not form this white ethnostate in the already rich, well developed North, and just let the evil old South alone to deal with its burdens. Could it be that the few conservatives from the North know that they will be crushed by the majority liberals you live around. If that is the case why not start an active campaign up there to turn those crazy liberals around. Think about it my friend—let the South handle its problems and you guys should be able to handle yours—after all–you don’t have as many blacks or Mexicans and you have a lot more whites. Should be a piece of cake.

          • SoulInvictus

            I guess he’s right in one thing. Whites don’t seem to unite on the basis of white or european-ness. As you’ve seen and infer above.
            It would likely take an inborn regional identity to accomplish that, which here, only the South has. Even that is dying out here from what I see. It’s all become an amalgamated culture with the advent of mass media.
            My concern is more long term as yours seems to be. I see the global threat, which is overpopulation leading to genetic and cultural extinction. But maybe it’s me that’s thinking too broadly and a more local focus is required before addressing the big picture. There just doesn’t seem to be time for that though. When you’re approaching a single digit percentage globally and your historic homelands are shifting to become Muslim, then I have a hard time rationalizing a a focus on southern identity over preservation of my unique portion of the species. It seems shortsighted and the South wouldn’t be able to go it alone.
            In that, your 1800’s comment is spot on, because population growth isn’t going to allow for those kinds of timeframes.

          • Talltrees

            “I have a hard time rationalizing a a focus on southern identity over preservation of my unique portion of the species. It seems shortsighted and the South wouldn’t be able to go it alone.”

            You are correct and we need the numbers to make an impact.

          • Talltrees

            A few more comments.
            I am surrounded by millions of conservatives and independents. The problem in my state are the large liberal cities. We are a swing state. Right now, it has a Republican Governor and majority in both House and Senate. Conservatives are very angry so they came out in droves and voted.
            The state has a high population, one of the important ones during elections. Conservatives and independents are exasperated. Quite a few see the handwriting on the wall and have given up. Despite meeting with their federal legislators, they say nothing is done. Yes, we know that.
            The state is about 85% White. The area I live in is 94% White. There is a major University hospital and medical college nearby that has Indians working there and a huge concern about bringing in more non-Whites. Indians account for about 3% of the population. We have one black person and one Hispanic. Two American Indians and ‘Others,’ what ever they are. The surrounding towns are equally as White.
            I often think of ways we can at least preserve this White enclave. City and Town councils are reluctant to take action due to violating laws, but at least they are on our side, not that it does us much good.

          • Talltrees

            “a more local focus is required”

            I do agree with you. It appears it’s the only way to reach Whites since MSM isn’t helping.

          • Long Live Dixie

            You sound like you are living in the 1800’s.

            Lol! When I hear this it’s a sure sign of someone who has been pre-conditioned with anti-Southern propaganda. This is another example of how similar white nationalist and Leftists rhetoric are to each other.

            You say you can handle blacks.

            Easily. We have only had a problem with blacks when Yankees have been calling the shots. Blacks lived here for 200 years with minimal problems until Yankees came here, freed them, filled them with anti-Southern rage, and armed them. After Redemption, blacks again lived here for 80 years with minimal problems until the Yankees returned in the 1950s.
            That doesn’t mean I want to keep the blacks around, but it does mean that I recognise a hierarchy of problems and I put the blacks on a much lower peg in that hierarchy than I do the Yankees or the forced union.

            Tell me what are you going to do with Mexicans who breed like rabbits . . ..

            When the South is free the immigrants who don’t self-deport will be shown the door to Dixie. We wouldn’t even have a Mexican problem at all if we weren’t forcibly connected to the US.

            Just what states are included in your new country?

            The South is the 13 states of the CSA plus Oklahoma, Maryland, and parts of Delaware.

          • SoulInvictus

            Having married someone from Maryland, I don’t know of anyone there that identifies as southern. I’d say that’s a safe assumption for Delaware as well. From experience though, the people of PA and rural Jersey, they’d probably happily sign on. I’ve never seen so many Confederate flags for sale in a mall as when I went to south Jersey. I was a little dumbstruck by their enthusiasm for country music karaoke and they were enthused at having someone with an actually twang singing it with them.

            I think his point about the blacks was that you’d never sell our enormous black population on the idea. As I said before, it would turn bloody and major cities would be in a state of ongoing revolt, even more so than the current status quo.
            Point may be moot though because the one thing I’d see in your favor would be in the event of a likely economic national collapse, everything would break down to a state level. No telling how that would shake out and I’m sure there would be all kinds of strange bedfellows made. The South being the only region with a strong cultural unity, it probably would align somewhat along the lines you imagine. But he isn’t entirely wrong about his 1800’s comment in that there’s no way any blacks or a vast majority of whites would willingly return to Jim Crowe or segregation.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Having married someone from Maryland, I don’t know of anyone there that identifies as southern.

            Demographic displacement due to widespread Yankee colonisation. Real Marylanders are Southern. The same displacement trends are occurring in other areas of Dixie, such as Virginia. If current trends don’t stop, it won’t be long till people say “I don’t know a single Virginian who identifies as Southern”.

            I think his point about the blacks was that you’d never sell our enormous black population on the idea.

            The only people who need to be sold on the idea are the Southern people themselves.

          • SoulInvictus

            “Real Marylanders are Southern.”
            Lineage-wise, maybe. Identity, not for a long time.
            But doesn’t that assertion negate your earlier statement that the US was an alliance with strangers. I mean, if you’re reaching all the way to Maryland and Delaware, what’s left that wasn’t Southern? Jersey and above?
            This goes to my earlier point that initially the US basically was the CSA. That’s why my view of the Civil War was always that it was the parting of ways of the original US with the bastardized industrial/banking New York element.
            The South wanted a Washington/Jeffersonian Republic, the North wanted the modern Fed Gov monster that they’ve blessed us with.
            I’ve made this point repeatedly on this and other blogs. The tragedy of tying the effort to slavery, killed States Rights and the Republic.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Lineage-wise, maybe. Identity, not for a long time.
            But doesn’t that assertion negate your earlier statement that the US was an alliance with strangers. I mean, if you’re reaching all the way to Maryland and Delaware, what’s left that wasn’t Southern? Jersey and above?

            No, I am not saying they are Southern lineage-wise. I am saying most whites there are descendants of Yankee colonists. This is exactly what happens when an area of Dixie becomes overrun with Yankees – it becomes unrecognisable and un-Southern. It also becomes reliably Leftist.
            What’s left that wasn’t Southern are the nine heavily populated states north and east of Maryland.

          • Talltrees

            “WhenI hear this it’s a sure sign of someone who has been pre-conditioned with anti-Southern propaganda.”

            Absolutely not! Read what Southerners are saying about THE NORTH on other websites. It’s those comments plus what you say about The League’s goals that has me shocked. And…they are rather recent comments and increasing. Something I had not seen before.

            I hear no anti-South propaganda here in the North at all, not from conservatives or liberals I know! Why would we bad mouth Southern Whites? But, I am hearing a lot of anti-North propaganda from Southern Whites.

            It’s not about seceding. Many of us want to do that, but it’s excluding other Whites throughout the country. I know, it’s Southern mentality and only Southerners know how they want to live. I lived in the South for 5 years and know all about it. I was stereotyped as a New Yorker the minute I opened my mouth. I don’t live in New York or Boston.

            I believe Southerners have become snobs.

          • SoulInvictus

            “I believe Southerners have become snobs.”
            Well, not to be snobby… lol, but every problem this site addresses previously had remedies in the South, and even as short a time as 50 or so years ago, the North was actively forcing us to abandon them.
            Now even our populace is largely indoctrinated, so I don’t see the viability of returning to former days.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Absolutely not!

            The argument that Southern nationalism is living in the past is anti-Southern because it suggests that Southern identity and Southern interests are issues of no importance today and that those who promote them are out of touch with reality. It is an absurd Straw Man. Southern nationalism is focused on Dixie’s future – on the survival, well-being, and independence of the Southern people. Further, the living in the past argument is word-for-word what Leftists say about racialists and nationalists.

          • Talltrees

            You are correct about liberals.

            Living in the 1800’s meant holding grudges over losing the Civil War against the Northerners living now. It had nothing to do with your culture. All regions of the country have their own unique history and culture and don’t want to lose them. I support that.

          • Sick of it

            Southern white folks tend to get along well together, they aren’t, except in the case of some Texans, state supremacists. Some of my people came from Alabama.

          • BonV.Vant

            just like in the civil war, you do not have the numbers nor the resources to seceded on your own. Sates such as Georgia are now close to majority black. You are not thinking strategically at all, you are just filled with chauvinistic bluster. Right now the REAL secessionist action is happening on a more local level and the states of Colorado and California are where the action is taking place. I see that what is happening in those states will likely happen across the country, where conservative areas will seceded from the liberal and urban welfare black holes. I think it would be in the interests of white people in all regions of the US to support white secessionist movements in all of the other regions of the US instead of some regions claiming they are not interested in forming a union of all such areas in the country. Southern white areas would only benefit from an influx of whites who are interested in supporting the struggle for whites in the US. To alienate some whites by telling them that they are not welcome and that the southerners are hostile to other whites would be a great miscalculation.

          • Long Live Dixie

            To alienate some whites by telling them that they are not welcome . . ..

            Entire sections of my country are colonised by uninvited Yankees. These areas have been transformed beyond recognition. They are foreign and hostile colonies within Dixie. Some of them are on our oldest and most holy grounds – places that are enormously important to the Southern people. Yet, all I hear from white nationalists and white unity mongers is that Southern nationalists are to blame for not welcoming these uninvited newcomers – these nation-wreckers who wish to dominate us, sneer at us, and force their ways on us.

            I am not interested in white unity. For us, white unity always means Yankee domination. I am interested in the survival, well-being, and independence of the Southern people. Your outlook and mine are incompatible.

          • SoulInvictus

            “I am not interested in white unity. For us, white unity always means Yankee domination. I am interested in the survival, well-being, and independence of the Southern people. Your outlook and mine are incompatible.”

            Well, you’ve sure opened my eyes, or reopened them, to an interesting subset of this whole debate. But the fact that I’m about as southern as it gets, and that I don’t see a drive for what you talk about here in south Alabama of all places, doesn’t really bode well for any kind of southern resurgence. It also doesn’t address the more pressing problem of being overrun in our historic European homelands. I’m not sure how you reconcile that with your outlook.

          • Long Live Dixie

            It also doesn’t address the more pressing problem of being overrun in our historic European homelands.

            This pops up again and again when I talk to white nationalists. It is a Straw Man. I am first and foremost focused on Dixie and her struggles, but I am rooting for the nationalists in Europe, Australia, South Africa, and throughout the white world. I can say without hesitation that I do not like Yankees. That does not mean I do not like other whites or care about their lands being overrun.

            Hell, hardly a day goes by that I don’t check the news to see what Golden Dawn is up to. I am practically counting down in my head till the elections in May.

            Nationalists throughout the West have their hands full in their own respective countries. Expecting me to stop focusing on my native people and turn my cause into a pan-European cause is not realistic. It would be an overwhelming burden and it would take away all the advantages that folkish nationalism brings. Southern nationalism is concise and manageable. White nationalism is not. It would turn the cause from one of kith and kin – blood and soil – to one of abstracts and universals. People don’t care about abstracts and universals. And I’m not just sticking to Southern nationalism because of pragmatism. I can’t imagine having a cause that isn’t focused squarely on my native people. It’s hard to describe to someone who isn’t a nationalist. The closest analogy I can think of is that a man first and foremost cares for his immediate family before his more distant relations. Think of Southrons as my immediate family; Britons, Australians, etc., as my siblings; and other Europeans as cousins of varying closeness (first cousins, second cousins, etc.).

            In Europe there is absolutely no question about this: a racially aware Dutchman is a Dutch nationalist, a racially aware Russian is a Russian nationalist, and so on. The idea that nationalism needs to broaden itself to become universalistic is pretty much an American idea.

          • SoulInvictus

            Well, I guess that’s where I disagree fundamentally. I see myself as American. And I see the heritage here as the last vestige of what that originally meant. I see Washington and Jefferson as our ideological forebears who would have rebelled against Lincoln as much as they would King George. I’m sure if I dug a little, there’s probably words from Jefferson Davis and company saying exactly that.
            Maybe that comes from Alabama being a newer state (relatively) than say Virginia and that we never knew anything but an American identity. It wasn’t for no reason that it was called the Confederate States of America. They didn’t see themselves as a completely different people or ideology.
            Again, I agree with you more than not. But I still say it’s fantasy without some precipitating catastrophe. A warm, cozy, comforting fantasy though. ;)

          • BonV.Vant

            So you say there are many white people in the south who are not “southern people”, and you think you are going to secede while alienating those people and through them the rest of the white people in the US. I would say you have not thought this through at all, you do not have a realistic appraisal of your current situation a realistic idea of how to achieve your goals. You will force an alliance between whites and blacks against the white southerners and you will lose badly.

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s my problem with it as well.
            There’s not a widespread consciousness supporting it even here. And the legions that would fight against it tooth and nail both internally and externally would seem to be impossible to overcome.
            I like his idealism, but it does seem to be suited for an entirely different era.

          • Tom B.

            Sure glad I don’t share your views, if I did I’d tie about a hundred pounds of chain around my neck and jump in the Mississippi river.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Lol! He sure is a depressed sounding defeatist, isn’t he?

          • Tom B.

            Yes, and wrong about the resolve of Southern boys. I probably shouldn’t reveal this, but I was once a police officer in a predominantly black town in southeast Arkansas. The town is horrible with crime and I was glad to get away from it, but the few years I held that job was one of the most educational times of my life. These people fret and worry about blacks–one half way trained Southern boy is equal to ten blacks in a combat situation. This has been proven all over the world many times. I had my uniform torn off me many times fighting them and as an enemy I would have no fear of taking them on. We have some country boys in Arkansas that are tougher than a snaggle-toothed coon and just waiting for a chance to fight. If these hair-brained Yankees would just get out of our way and if the weak Southerners would go ahead and move up North we could straighten out these problems quick. Once again, it will be the Yankees that will likely screw it up!

          • SoulInvictus

            I see this all the time here and other sites. One white guy can take on a battalion of ghetto rats…
            I’ll say that Southerners are still marginally an exception to the rule, but the facts are: most whites don’t roam in packs, most whites are soft, and most blacks grow up in a far more violent environment.
            You’re optimistically viewing us through the lens of an older generation. They were harder, had a stronger sense of community, were well versed in firearm use, and less fearful of a less punitive legal system.
            We’re talking about internet weaned, single mom raised, and only fired a gun on Call of Duty (I play it, and I rarely run into another gun owner, because I ask and promote it, on there among the whites).
            Again, you’re going to see this as pessimism, but maybe someone needs to paint you a clearer picture of what the upcoming generations are constituted of. They aren’t a rough and tumble, scrapping, shooting and riding 4-wheelers in the woods bunch. Even in the South.

          • Tom B.

            You depress me to no end bud—if you are an honest representative of Alabama–we are in trouble. Most of the people I know and run with are exactly that–rough and tumble, scrapping, damn good shooters and 4-wheeler riding boys. I agree, we do have some of the kind you mention–city boys–but here in Arkansas we take our guns, hunting and fishing serious.

          • SoulInvictus

            I don’t mean to be. It’s just a realistic assessment because unlike LLDixie, I don’t want to pin my hopes on fantasy, even desirable ones like he paints.
            I’ve lived in the city and I’ve lived in the country, between AL and GA with a lot of forays into FL. Even in the small towns like where I currently live, the picture I painted for you is dead on.
            I grew up with a friend from north Arkansas (Batesville I think). I visited him there to when my family went to Hot Springs.
            The picture he painted was that meth was eating whites alive there (this was at least 10 years ago). And everyone prescribed giving Little Rock a wide berth. Hopefully that has gotten better in your area.
            I don’t know what it is about Arkansas, but they’ve always produced fine sharpshooters. I want to think I remember a lot of the best WWII snipers coming from the Ozarks.

          • Tom B.

            I now live near Little Rock and yes it is bad–the blacks are real trouble, but they just don’t bother me. I keep a gun handy and even at my age he better not jump on me. Physically–well I am 63–and no one special-still pretty strong, but I have the proper attitude. I have fought dozens of them—learn a few good submission holds and they will scream like a baby. The white man, if left alone would have no trouble quelling a black uprising. I meet some of the local boys just back from Afghanistan and many of the young cops–big muscle-bound boys that are not ones to mess with. Those kind of guys still exist.

          • SoulInvictus

            Little riots are one thing, but imagine all of Little Rock, Birmingham, Atlanta, Jackson etc going up in flames and an outspreading rape and genocidal murder spree of mobs. That is exactly what would occur once a government was seriously proposed or implemented along the lines of LLDixie’s ideals. It’s a valid problem that usually leaves WN’s discounting the South for homeland potential for a reason.
            I’m not opposed to it, but you’d need a lot more than a few armed and tough guys to make it happen. It would literally require an army, and one mentally prepared to fire on women and children. That doesn’t and won’t exist here.
            Those people are not going to board deportation ships or go back under Jim Crowe willingly, and there are millions of them to deal with. That’s the elephant in the room for Dixie’s fantasies.
            Notice how he never really addresses how that would be handled. That’s not meant as a slight to him or the dream, but it is an undeniable fact. To do what he would like will absolutely require a mass slaughter that even the most racist Alabamians I’ve ever met (and I’ve known some Klan) would have the stomach for. And for that reason, I find it silly to dream about…

          • Tom B.

            A few armed tough guys? man I know hundreds of country boys–good with guns and just itching for some revenge. There are still enough of us old folks around to bring the reluctant youngsters in line. It can be done and it will be done if the libs up north will stay out of it. Guys like you have got to get your heads on straight. Stop sounding like a defeated man—act like a Nathan Bedford Forrest instead!! all about attitude!

          • SoulInvictus

            Aw, you had to go and drop Forrest on me. Now I know I like this guy.

          • Sick of it

            Wars will be white on white until a certain tribal group is removed from our homelands.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Yourself and Long Live Dixie need to come to reality. The South isn’t gonna rise again, and your blacks and Mexicans ain’t goin anywhere. Wake up White people! The South is nothing like it used to be.

          • Tom B.

            I would be grateful to hear what you propose as an answer to the problems this country is dealing with then. I hear some talk of forming a white ethno state, maybe somewhere in the west. If you think that is possible then I am 100% in favor of you doing so—-I just want to hear some details as to how you are going to pull it off. How do you gather a significant number of people who are like-minded, culturally similar, share a history that will meld them together and build an all white nation under the eyes of a very hostile, liberal, multiculturalist, government that will not stand by and allow this to happen. Bear in mind that this place you move to is already occupied by people who may not want you and your group to move in and change what they already have—you and your group might be met with open hostility. If you think you can do it—you have my full support and I commend your effort.
            As to the South not being like it used to be—I can’t argue with that—but having travelled all over this country many times I would argue that it is still the closest thing to an homogenous, culturally similar, area in America—with the possible exception of New England. They seem to have retained their cultural, white , identity quite well. The only problem is that while they are protecting what they have—the political and economic power they posses is used to force their liberal ideology on the rest of us.
            No one knows what is coming down the road for sure–speculation is just a guess. All I do know is that that the liberal lunatics, primarily from the North have screwed this country up. They are hell-bent on enforcing their will on the rest of us and where this will all end I do not know. One thing I do know is that as a Southern boy–I have the right to dream of a free Dixie—free from Yankee domination, free to live a life that is not polluted with feminism, atheism, gay rights, multiculturalism, forced integration, affirmative action, and a host of other sick, disgusting, immoral ideas that have been forced on us for the last 150 years. In parting, I say–follow your dream and I hope it comes true for you–if you will give me the same then I can call you friend—-just don’t ask me to join in the formation of an alliance with the same people that have caused this mess.

          • Tom B.

            Hell fire boy, I’m 63 years old and just two years ago I took down a 6’2″ 225 lb. black guy in the local Walmart as he was running from the loss prevention people. We had a good scrap–it was the most fun I have had in years. I held him down until the cops got there. I will admit it was more difficult than it used to be–but attitude is a big part of it. You just gotta get plum mad dog mean and gitter done. These soft boys will toughen up when the time comes.

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s exactly what I’m talking about though. My dad is the same way, but this is a man that grew up picking in a cotton field daily and digging his own wells. Even at 70 and 5′ 8″ he can probably still tear me to pieces and I’m not what I’d consider soft by any stretch.
            You have more faith in the sub 30 folks than I do. Hopefully you’re right and I’m wrong about what they can become when push comes to shove. Because we’re definitely going to see interesting (not in a fun way) times soon.

          • Tom B.

            My old pappy was 5’8″ 200 lbs. of muscle and grit. In his younger days he could pick up a 500 lb. bale of cotton and walk with it. He never looked for trouble but when pushed he would fight. He fought with Patton’s 3rd Army and I never saw him show fear–even when he was dying with cancer. I fear if I backed down from a justified fight now–he would come out of his grave and kick my ass. ATTITUDE!! Any young man can get in good physical shape quickly–all he needs is the right attitude and he can be a fighting machine in no time. DON’T EVER FORGET THAT!! Motivation is what we need—we can accomplish anything!

          • Garrett Brown

            Bales of cotton don’t get up to 500 pounds (or hay for that matter).

          • Geo1metric

            The round bales used up here in Pa. weigh 1500 lbs. A bale is not always a bale.

          • Tom B.

            Thank you sir–I wanted to give that weight as a guess but really wasn’t sure, but I am sure of the cotton bales.

          • Tom B.

            Yes they did back when I was growing up. We grew cotton and that was an approximate weight assigned to a typical bale at that time. The ones they make now are much heavier than that and require a strong machine to lift. My dad and I baled more hay than you can imagine. Depending on the type of grass- the small bales were probably 50 to 100 lbs. max. The kind they make now, the big rolls, I would imagine are in the 3 to 600 lb. range. I am guessing about that though as I have never worked with the large roll type. Are you a farmer?

          • Garrett Brown

            My dad grew up on one.

          • Tom B.

            That is fine Mr. Garrett. It seems you are angry about some of the things that have been posted by me and others. I would like for you to understand that I do not seek to anger or insult anyone—those are harsh emotions that seldom produce anything of use. What people from the North just don’t understand is that the war waged against the South was of a most brutal kind. My grandfather was born during Reconstruction and his father lived through the war and Reconstruction. They passed down stories of the cruelty inflicted on them by the North. The Union army was as brutal to the Southern people as any occupation army in modern history. We lost tens of thousands of our best men. Sherman and other Union generals targeted civilians too—women and children who posed no threat to them. Contrary to the garbage passed off as history—any reasonably intelligent, honest person can find the truth about that conflict if they wish. We simply want to separate from a people who have never treated us in a fair manner. Our schools have been ruined by the forced integration, the socialist brainwashing via the media has greatly weakened the morality of our people. In every aspect, our forced relationship with the socialist North has been detrimental. Things are changing in this country—secession is now a common topic and is being considered in places all over the U.S.. I fully support the efforts of those who wish to do so. So my question to you is –why do so many from the North display anger at the South, in particular when we assert that we want our freedom too? I certainly would not feel that way if any part of the country wanted to do the same—why the hostility?

          • Garrett Brown

            Wut?

          • Tom B.

            I just checked it out online—500 lbs. is right. I see some of the new bales beside the cotton fields now and they are real big, but I suspect when they are taken to the gin that they will be repackaged to the smaller ones.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Those guys from the South have some ‘stories’. A 200lb guy walking around with a 500lb bale. Surely. And I thought I was a badass when I could press 375 at 6’6″ 238.

          • Garrett Brown

            What’s even funnier was his tangent after I discredited his delusional claim.

            375 is very impressive, no matter what you weigh. What is amazing is someone with such a long wing span being able to bench that much. The most I ever did was 365. Flat bench bothers my elbows too much now.

          • Tom B.

            What delusional claim are you talking about Mr. Brown? The 500 lb. weight of a bale of cotton? Look it up on line, it is there.
            You doubt that a strong man can lift 500 lbs. off the ground and take steps with it—boys there are men who can deadlift twice that amount and could no doubt take a few steps if needed. You young men are very disrespectful and not so smart. I would not want you for friend in any endeavor. Also Mr. Brown–sorry for the “tangent I went on–I was just trying to explain in a friendly way how things are—you can bet I won’t waste any more time with the likes of you. You have a lot of growing up to do.

          • Garrett Brown

            And he’s still furious that no one believes him. Too funny.

          • SoulInvictus

            You really should find some outlet to work as a redneck motivational speaker. That or hook up with Dixie for his organization’s membership drives. You’d be a monster at that. :)
            Kind of like a more likable Metzger.

          • Tom B.

            Yeah, but I kinda look like Larry the Cable Guy—that might hurt my chances.

          • SoulInvictus

            That would actually be a selling point I imagine. That guy is
            rich as Croesus now.

          • LACountyRedneck

            “In his younger days he could pick up a 500 lb. bale of cotton and walk with it.” Come on, Tom.

          • Tom B.

            Not uncommon really—it was sort of a game back in those days– there were a few men who could do it, not many. Several men in my family were unusually strong, my dad had one brother who was even stronger than him and a cousin who, if he lived today would probably be a power lift champion. It’s all about genetics and hard work–and they did lots of hard work

          • SoulInvictus

            LOL… hardly. Just know too much to have unrealistic fantasies of success. :)

          • Sick of it

            Read about the Crusades. People who refuse to surrender WILL win. People who don’t have any real beliefs, any real conviction, WILL die. Folks today give up too easily.

          • SoulInvictus

            Reminds me of the Templars. Love reading about that stuff.

          • SoulInvictus

            I’m clear about my sentiments in the post I’ve made on this thread. I’m all for the idealism and the drive behind it, but I live here and I have a realistic view of the problem and mentalities at hand. Maybe it is different in Mississippi if that’s where you’re from. Though, not to be intentionally insulting,but I’ve never been impressed when I passed through there and your problems with blacks may surpass even ours in AL. Travelling back from a vacation in Hot Springs through Arkansas and Mississippi, I seriously felt like I had reentered civilization when I got back to AL, and that’s saying something.

          • Tom B.

            It seems from your many posts I have read that you have a problem with all of the South. Why not move to a place more suitable. I lived in Alaska for years and loved the country, but the people were very rude to anyone with a southern accent. I have been through most of the states but I will never again leave the South. We have our warts too, but I will take our people over any others I met. Are you sure you are not a Yankee? Your negative remarks about the South is very unusual and sounds just like the Yankees I have known. I just don’t agree with your opinions at all.

          • SoulInvictus

            lol, no, not a Yankee by any stretch. But we’ve been lead by the nose by disingenuous corporatist GOP idiots for far too long.
            The anti-labor and anti-environmental conservation mentality here is testament to that. Of course, our elites have always done that. I don’t respect or idealize the old south “nobility” precisely because they birthed many of our current problems by adopting slavery instead of paying poor whites a living wage.
            They’re still doing it to us.
            I thank God that the War set back industrialization here because they would have trashed the countryside even worse than our toxic agricultural practices. (I mean really… the corn field next to my house still isn’t sprouting any weeds or grass six months after they pumped the herbicide on it. What do they buy from Monsanto, agent orange?)
            In general, I’m not a fan of ignorance. And many of my southern brethren revel in it as pathetically as the blacks. But for the general culture, yeah I’ll take guns and God over the Northern alternative. The food and easy access to sweet tea alone would keep me here.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Tom, I might be joining you on that jump into the Mississippi. This Soullnvictus fellow is depressing to no end.

            Soullnvictus, with your attitude, stay far away from Southern nationalist events. We don’t need defeatism spreading through the ranks. Leave the activism to those who have faith in our people and an undying love for Dixie in their hearts.

          • Tom B.

            I’m trying to inject some good old Southern redneck into him to get him out of his funk. Don’t know if I’ll have any luck but we shall see! Don’t know about you, but what I see is the result of too many years of liberal indoctrination. The sooner we are free from the North and all its socialist programs, the better. I hope and pray it is not too late.

          • Tom B.

            Wow! I just read the latest SNN article, if anyone doubts the hatred that Yanks have for us–they need to read that one.

          • Long Live Dixie

            There’s not a widespread consciousness supporting it even here.

            Southern nationalism is only now reforming after decades of dormancy, so of course you aren’t yet seeing Southern nationalism widespread in your area of the South. But compared to even two years ago, Southern nationalism has advanced by leaps and bounds. It is moving off the internet and into the streets. It is ditching the old and stale conservatism of the past for a more fiery and radical message. And the average age of people attracted to Southern nationalism has dropped by about 25 years.

            You mentioned you are on the Gulf. In thirteen days the League will be holding a rally against immigration in Tallahassee.

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s a few hours drive for me, but maybe. It is definitely a lucky accident of history that Tal ended up at the top of the state away from Cuba. They get very vocal about immigration there and at least the Cubans would have to make a long trip from Miami to shout them down.

          • Sick of it

            Southern nationalism is the only pro-white movement with a real following in America. I figured that out years ago.

          • SoulInvictus

            Maybe for me, it’s been a matter of being too close to it to see that. I also have a tendency to think in a broader scope, part of the inheritance of the internet and a smaller world I guess. It leads to less thought about the world immediately surrounding you.
            It never really seemed a substantive solution before, but as I continually read here about a need for unity and rallying together, you’re right in that there is only one American cultural alternative that already has that aspect behind it…
            But as I’ve seen here, as soon as you go down that road then every other WN group seems to scorn it. I honest to God can’t understand how many of them would rabidly support skin heads or other swastika bearing types (which will never, ever, accomplish anything in the US) but hold open scorn for the one truly American identity that cherishes white culture.

          • Sick of it

            I’m personally amused by German aficionados who despise the Christian religion. The decent people in Germany, the brilliant German scientists, the dedicated soldiers…were Christians.

          • LACountyRedneck

            These guys think they’re reliving civil war times. “The South shall rise again!” Hahaha….and all their Mexicans and blacks will gladly leave.

          • SoulInvictus

            Someone else addressed this more succinctly than I could on this thread… but really we are. Except this time, it isn’t just the South. It’s states and communities all across the country that are either discussion secession or withdrawing from crumbling metro municipalities. And no one under any disagreeable cause like slavery. Even on less confrontational issues like Marijuana, all across the country states are now operating a drug trade in defiance of very plain federal law.

            Only the politicians, international bankers, and lobbyists have any vested interest in the Fed Gov. It’s alienated Everyone, left and right, through its invasiveness, spending, corruption, and ineptitude.
            If this was a monarchy, there would already be a state of open revolt. So if it does collapse, I don’t see anyone crying over saving it. Everyone would breathe a collective sigh of relief that the oppressor finally brought itself down.
            Then the EBT checks would stop and all hell breaks loose in the inner cities…

          • Long Live Dixie

            You will force an alliance between whites and blacks against the white southerners and you will lose badly.

            There already is an alliance between them.

            I’m certainly not interested in abandoning the interests of my native people in a vain attempt to gain the support of foreign colonisers.

          • Tom B.

            If I may, let me step in here for a minute. Let us look at the things we agree on. Correct me if I miss something. We agree, as conservatives, that the U.S. government has overstepped its bounds and has created a socialist, multiculturalist, welfare state which empowers minorities and steps on whites. We agree, I think, that liberal whites are an enemy that gives its full support to the programs we dislike. So what we are trying to do is form an alliance of conservative whites to do what, exactly? Are we going to form a voting block to thwart the liberals at the polls? I think most would call that the Republican Party–been there, done that, it ain’t gonna work. Or are we forming an alliance for defense against the liberals and minorities–as in full out civil war? If that is your goal then let us better define who the enemy is. Where in this great nation are most of the liberals, the ones with real political and economic clout located? Oh my!, the North? Is this where there will be a forced alliance between whites and blacks? If that is what you were inferring then I have news for you. That alliance has been in place for at least a century. Really when you break this all down–allowing for demographic shifts and the creations of new states after the Civil War what do we have? As I see it–it is conservative vs. liberal or actually North vs. South, allowing for a few cross-overs just like the first war. Think about it.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I see hatred and insecurity in your posts. You’re clearly terrified to let us go. You need us a lot more than we need you.

            just like in the civil war, you do not have the numbers nor the resources to seceded on your own.

            The Southern population is in the tens of millions. I guess 50 million or more. Not having enough resources is vague. Do you mean natural resources to maintain an independent state?

          • SoulInvictus

            This has actually been one of the few positives in the southern pro-con column to me. Overpopulation is a burden not a blessing. And Alabama alone possesses over 10% of the US surface fresh water. Population, climate, food, and water, are much more favorable for the South. The latter I see inevitably driving a mass migration to the South and the Great Lakes region within the next decade.
            Do a little research on the Ogallala Aquifer and Colorado River depletion. Or how it’s projected that Hoover Dam will cease to generate electricity within 4 years because of lowered reservoir levels.
            The longer growing season, especially if scientists are right about the possibility of a little ice age, will make the South far more preferable to the Great Lakes. And the entire country will become largely dependent on our agriculture.

      • jeffaral

        What about the millions of people of german ancestry who live in the South? Are you going to expell them all?

        • Long Live Dixie

          I’m not even sure if I should take this question seriously or not. Millions of Southerners have German ancestry. That doesn’t change the fact that the core population of the South is Anglo-Celtic. Anglo-Celtic is the dominant heritage of the Southern people.

          • jeffaral

            I guess you’re telling me the Anglos and the Celts landed on the British isles in spaceships coming form Mars and not from the European continent. BTW Germans are the most numerous white ethnicity in Texas, in case you don’t know.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I guess you’re telling me the Anglos and the Celts landed on the British isles in spaceships coming form Mars and not from the European continent.

            We haven’t even been talking about the origins of the Angles and Celts, so I can only guess as to where this weird comment came from.

            BTW Germans are the most numerous white ethnicity in Texas, in case you don’t know.

            The core population of the South is Anglo-Celtic. I did not say Southerners are exclusively Anglo-Celtic. BTW, from looking at the ancestry map, German and “American” appear to be a tossup in Texas.

          • antiquesunlight

            Anglo-Celtic is just about a perfect description of my own ancestry, which is almost exclusively English, Welsh, and Scottish. One branch of my family is Manx. One of my great grandmothers had a German sounding name, but she’s the only exception I’m aware of.

          • Sick of it

            Many of my living relatives come from German families, so I assumed I was mostly German. Scratch back a hundred years and I found a whole lot of English, Scottish, and Irish folk. Even found Swedes thrown in there.

          • antiquesunlight

            Yeah, only my mom’s side has been thoroughly researched, so most of my dad’s side I just kind of guess are English based on the surnames. The only branch on my dad’s side that I have traced back to Europe are the McAfees, who moved from Scotland to Ireland and then to America in the early 1800s.
            One of these days I’m going to have a DNA test done so I will know all that for sure. One reason I want it done is because there’s a rumor that somebody on my dad’s side was Indian or half-Indian, but nobody (as far as I know) has ever confirmed or denied it. I’d like to know for sure.

          • Sick of it

            If you ever do want to check for said Indian ancestry, do it via mtDNA. I very much doubt it was a male ancestor. It’s not uncommon for white Americans to have a touch of Indian ancestry. Just consider the marriages starting in the 16th century, the small population (particularly white female population), etc.

          • SoulInvictus

            I’ve always thought a mass immigration of Afrikaners into the American South would be a perfect cultural match. I’d love to arm them all and turn them loose on Birmingham and South Atlanta, telling them they can keep whatever they take.
            Nothing wrong with those places a couple million Boers couldn’t fix. After dealing with hordes of for-reals machete wielding Africans, our EBT fed druggies would wilt pathetically. It’s been too long since we showed that kind of backbone here, maybe we need an infusion.

          • Garrett Brown

            There is no such thing as southern nationalism.

          • SoulInvictus

            Bwahahahaha… wow. You’re either looking to be intentionally antagonistic or to troll and stir something by saying something as dumb as that.
            It’s not like there was entire bloody war and a formal government complete with army, currency, and flag that disputes the stupidity that just came out of your mouth.
            I’m not saying it’s likely to be resurrected as some here hope, but to dispute the obvious historical precedence and the still lingering lost cause romantic ideals that still permeate the South for many, proves you’re either disingenuous, foreign and ignorant of our history, or have a hard time tying your own shoes. Since you turned on a computer and typed words, it must be one of the other two.

            There, you got the response I guess you were begging for.

          • Tom B.

            I’m proud of you boy! Now you are beginning to see. Do you notice the hatred from their posts? I saw it a thousand times when I lived in Alaska. A visceral hatred that I don’t understand–some of them would just literally swell up with rage if anyone mentioned the South in a positive way. I do not understand why they have a problem with the South being a separate nation. Once things settled down it should be no different than Canada to the North. I certainly don’t have a problem with them having their own country–do you? We are a different people and should be separated–and there is absolutely no reason why it can’t be done peacefully. You would think that from their posts they would welcome a separation just to be rid of us evil, Elvis loving, trash. For the life of me I cannot understand why they have such a problem—they don’t like us–we don’t like them—let us peacefully separate. We will deal with the black and Mexican problems we have down here—they can deal with the liberal problem they have. Why all the needless hatred fellas–it serves no useful purpose–let us go our separate ways–we have never had a problem with doing so, but once again it is those from the North that do. It baffles me.

          • SoulInvictus

            Well, you know… to paraphrase the old saying,
            I can talk sh*t about my idiot family all day long, but you do it and I will f*ck you up. ;)

            Honestly, it was just about the most completely ignorant of history statement I’d read on here in a long time. And as previously stated, I have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity.

          • Sick of it

            Tom, the answer is simple. Without our resources, they will fail as a nation. Without our sports players, their teams will suck. Without our soldiers, their military will be a joke. They need the South more than we need them by far.

          • Tom B.

            I believe you are on to something for sure! I just want to hear them say it.

          • jeffaral

            Do you mean all those black sports players??!!! Now I’m really starting to worry about the sanity of White southerners.

          • Sick of it

            The Mannings are from the South. Archie used to be QB for the Saints. I’m guessing you also have no idea where so many great white baseball players came from or where the sport first originated.

          • Garrett Brown

            There is no such thing as southern nationalism.

        • Talltrees

          Anglo-Celtic is English and Irish. From what I understand Germans in Texas have much more than a small amount of German ancestry. It’s clear others are not welcome in this proposed Southern country…but blacks are.

          • Long Live Dixie

            It’s clear others are not welcome in this proposed Southern country…but blacks are.

            Your distortions are shameless.

            First, I have never said Texans or other Southerners of German descent are not welcome in Dixie. Second, I have never talked favourably of keeping the blacks after independence.

          • Talltrees

            “Your distortions are shameless.”

            I read all of your posts. You said blacks could be dealt with better than Yankees did in the past. You went into a bit of detail about how the South managed them much better until the 1950’s when Yankees took over, leading one to believe the South would be able to keep them in line. Minimal crime, etc. Reread your posts. Didn’t see anything in those posts
            about deporting them.

            What happens if Southern blacks don’t want to secede, certainly knowing their fate, return of slavery or sent to Africa and loss of government freebies. You could tell them, either, they go North, or do as Southerners demand.

            Hey, we don’t want them. Nor do we want Mexicans
            or Muslims.

            Can’t imagine millions of blacks and Mexicans crashing the Mason-Dixon Line trying to fit into our overpopulated Northeast. No available jobs, housing, etc., in the North Central, or Northwest, either. There’s no way the government would allow the South to deport blacks or Hispanics.

            Surely, you know what would happen as Blacks get wind of serious secession. I can see the riots, setting fire to
            everything in sight, murders, rapes, burglary, you name it. American Blacks think this is their country, too, and wouldn’t take too kindly to giving up their homes and jobs if they have them, etc.

            Of course, it would be all over the news before the secession is legal and the South would still be governed by the United States. There’s no way to keep it secret. Governing elites would send the military down there before a blink of an
            eye.

            You can wait until an economic collapse or racial civil war. Then call on local militias, state National Guards, but it wouldn’t be pretty. Blacks and Hispanics have guns too. Not only will you be fighting the US military, but also, the millions of blacks and Mexicans and probably White liberals. Consider all the Puerto Ricans, Central and South Americans, Somalis in Tennessee, also on government welfare. All of them would side with the government. You guys would be on your own.

            How would the South handle Social Security for its elderly? Medicaid for its poor White folks? Can it pay that for some years? Quite a few Southern states are poor.

            How much of a population would you expect to have after blacks and Hispanics are gone? Do you plan on moving all White liberals North or force them to accept a new type of government? Don’t you think they’d move North leaving
            fewer people in the South.

            Consider Whites haven’t been doing well on the baby front. Texas will be Hispanic sometime in the future. More Hispanics born now than Whites in Texas. When all the Whites eventually die, only Hispanics, blacks, and a few others will remain there. It would take quite some time for Whites to make up their loss. You could force them
            to take fertility pills, I suppose. Lol!

            If you get rid of all non-Whites, there will be no people in the South sometime in the future. Maybe, you’d allow Asians to
            stay. But, they wouldn’t want to in a sparsely populated land. It would resemble the TV program, “After people are gone,” or something like that. Everything going to pot. Then the North would reclaim the land.

            It’s obvious the government is preparing for instances of what The League is planning, secession, economic collapse, or racial strife. While gun owners boast about using their guns (and I’m a gun owner), can they overcome tanks, drones, and a strongly armed military? Even foreign military assistance? Aren’t some of them practicing on our soil, now? Do you have enough ammunition? Then, there’s all those FEMA camps. Department of Education just purchased truckloads of ammunition. Yes, Dept of Education. How much does the government have now?

            Next: Anglo-Celtic is defined as English and Irish. You mentioned several times Southerners are mostly Anglo-Celtic and WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. That you would have to see what European ethnicities would fall under Anglo-Celtic. No, you didn’t say in words you’d discriminate, but I
            don’t know how anyone could misunderstand what you meant. I know exactly what you meant.

            What are we to make of statements like that if it doesn’t mean you might discriminate against other European ethnicities. What would happen if say the Southern French,
            for example, began having a lot of babies and over time became the majority? Would that be OK, or would they have to leave?

            “I have never said Texans or other Southerners of German descent are not welcome in Dixie.”

            “Or other
            ‘SOUTHERNERS’ of German descent”

            In other words, only current Southerners of German descent and their offspring are welcome. German-Americans from say California, Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, for example, are not welcome. You were very specific that they had to be Southerners. I know one
            state that would not agree with you about that. Texas.

            The following comments are directed to all Southerners here, as well.

            Conservatives and Independents are not a freak of nature in Northern states and want out from under liberal Communists and the current Republican regime, as much as you. The Governor, House and Senate in my state are Republican. (Not that they are a huge difference from Democrats.)

            It is a highly populated state, one that is very important during elections. When you speak of Yankees, most likely you refer to liberals living mostly in large cities or our liberal communists running the government. You hate Republican
            idiots as well. But, there are MILLIONS of White conservatives and independents outside those cities that are equally as disgusted with both parties as Southerners.

            Liberal voters in liberal dominated large cities frequently captured the elections. It often depends on how angry conservatives are whether they come out in force or not. Some are so disgusted, they don’t vote at all, thus handing the election over to Democrats. The South has liberal cities as well. And, it’s not all White liberals making them liberal.

            Southerners using the word ‘Yankee’ to refer to all Northerners makes White conservatives, liberals, independents and third partiers all one in the same. Maybe the governing elites are, but the people are extreme opposites.

            Southerners using the word Yankee is as offensive as Northerners calling Southerners, rednecks, hicks, hillbillies, rebels, because we know the intent with which they use the word Yankee, but I don’t lose sleep over it.

            You do know the British, particularly, military, refer to all of us, North, South, East, and West as Yankees. It probably is offensive to you, but they call Southerners, Yankees.
            And so, we are not genteel, soft spoken, and do things slowly. We are doers and prefer to get our work done quickly. We don’t particularly like to sit around drinking Mint Juleps. We are involved in many things. At least quite a few of us believe in “When in Rome, do as the Romans do.” Trying to change others cultures to suit us is a ‘no, no.’ It’s better not to live in a place that does not suit us.

            Non-liberal Northern Whites are more than capable of taking care of themselves. I know not all Southerners think as you
            do. But, after 149 years of some hating the North, just as blacks blame slavery on Whites of today and can’t get over
            it, you and a few other Southerners on Amren convinced me it’s wise Northerners remain separate from the South.

            Pardon my wordiness.

          • SoulInvictus

            I’m beginning to see why Dixie gets so defensive when this topic comes up. I wonder if it’s always so divisive a topic, seems dumb that it is to me.

            I don’t agree with him about feasibility, but he’s got valid points on quite a few things like historical precedent and the stronger appeal of regional loyalty/culture over more abstract concepts like pan-European unity. Something no nationalistic groups I know of in Europe promote, they’re all country/culture/ethnicity specific. Why would this particular nationalism need to be any different? I see it similar to the plight of the Afrikaners.

            What I’m really detecting from the detractors here, rather than pooping on the idea with facts (though you in particular did just list some of the same contentions I have) because it is likely an impossibility in today’s world, instead I sense envy.

            His entire point, as I understand it, is that his concern isn’t with the unfocused and abstract concept of taking care of the whole of white humanity. Rather, focusing on his own people and culture (which happen to also be mine). Not entirely dissimilar to the German’s approach. They weren’t looking for a unified nation with say Britain and Russia either. And honestly, maybe approaching it from his perspective is the more human and likely (and historically proven) approach.

            I get a sense of envy from the other WN’s because they don’t share in that heritage, in that short of a complete reversion to a Washingtonian era, it is the only American culture that represents their beliefs.
            That sucks for them, but he has a valid point that it isn’t the South’s problem either. You start allowing a massive immigration by all somewhat like minded parties, or even worse, based solely on skin color alone… and soon you end up with Eskimos in your midst all over again. Then the push towards multiculturalism and diversity begins anew.

            I’d have a more lenient approach… if they had absolutely no other option, I’d allow some sort of tiered citizenship. Maybe residence without voting rights or a specific state set aside for non-locals settlement. But with it implicitly stated that if they start down the same road that led to the current US situation, usury and leftist bs, then eviction of them and their family would be swift.
            As for the black problem, that’s the same issue I have. That is irreconcilable without mass bloodshed and he knows it. I’d imagine it’s one of those things that would have to be unspoken until the act and then expunged from history.

          • Talltrees

            You make some good points.

            “like historical precedent and the stronger appeal of regional loyalty/culture over more abstract concepts like pan-European unity. Something no nationalistic groups I know of in Europe promote, they’re all country/culture/ethnicity specific.”

            The government pretty much required assimilation of European groups and never was to be United States of European Regions or of Europe here; although, groups settled in areas of the country on their own. Not that I don’t see it as an interesting possibility, we have too many mixed Europeans, now.

            “What I’m really detecting from the detractors here, rather than pooping on the idea with facts (though you in particular did just list some of the same contentions I have) because it is likely an impossibility in today’s world, instead I sense
            envy.”

            I can’t speak for other detractors. Objections and general input help to put things into perspective. You know, “I hadn’t thought about that.” I have quite a few concerns, some previously mentioned. Repercussions to the North a Southern secession might cause even if Northerners established their own White territory. We’d be foolish not to think about that.

            But, for me, it was anger. Anger in that Whites can’t get it together. Can’t see the reality of the situation we face.
            They are still dallying around on side roads driving to questionable destinations.

            They fight against each other in wars, as political adversaries, North/South issues, and White unity. All doing harm. Now, we are in survival mode. They are their own worst enemy!

          • SoulInvictus

            “But, for me, it was anger. Anger in that Whites can’t get it together.”
            That, I can completely sympathize with. But we can’t apparently when the focus is too broad. Whites just won’t assert themselves for their own interest on the basis of that.
            In much of the country, there’s too much leftist brainwashing.
            In the South, even if it is largely a mindless, lemming-like hatred for all things Obama and Democrat (most can’t enumerate just why they do specifically, they just do)… at least it’s something to work with. At least, in their gut, they can still feel the wrongness of it all.

          • Garrett Brown

            He’s a joke, I would recommend not taking him seriously.

          • Talltrees

            Thanks. He concerned me in that his comments seemed to be gathering support. I guess I was the one who had the nerve to challenge him. But, then I am a Yankee and that’s expected.

          • jeffaral

            Of course blacks are welcome, they are part of Southern heritage. Without blacks there wouldn’t have been Elvis the Pelvis. White southerners would commit mass suicide if they were suddenly deprived of their pet darkies – We need our black nannies to change our children’s nappies! Were the South to secede they would end up like South Africa.

          • SoulInvictus

            Childish. And the scenario would likely involve a defunct or dis-empowered US Federal Government. If that’s in the cards, the rest of the world economy (and government stability) would be in piss poor shape as well.
            There would be no one in a position to apply pressure as was done to SA, and as major cities crumble to diversity in Europe, I doubt they’d have much concern over it.
            When Parisians are being forced to stop their cars for streets full of praying muslims, good luck to the leftists getting them riled up over our color problems.

          • jeffaral

            Ok, sorry: Elvis is a hero, a demigod for Whte southerners, a highlight of Southern culture, his life an inspiration for the youth, notwithstanding the fact that he died of an overdose like any lowlife ghetto negro.

          • SoulInvictus

            It was a sacred last poop, and it shall be enshrined. ;)

          • Tom B.

            You are obviously a hate-filled evil man. I have found your attitude to be very typical of Yankees. I should think that a separation of our nations would be a welcome thing for you–why is it the people from the North are the ones that get so bent out of shape when secession comes up–leave us alone and I guarantee we will leave you alone–what is the problem. Why all the insults—–amazing!—it was this way 150 years ago. Little has changed in all that time.

          • SoulInvictus

            Pretty sure he’s a Brit with the reference to nappies rather than diapers, but as such, more in common with northerners apparently. The sanctimonious, condescending jackassery sure has the same flavor.

            To your point though, they’re always pointing out how most southern states are on the receiving end of federal charity. Then why not willingly cut the burden loose…
            The biggest downside of a possible ice age will be the inevitable immigration deluge of disconnected and delusional northern elites (especially Tribe that feels compelled to tell you just how you’re doing it all wrong). It is funny to see that mindset, though to a lesser degree, bubble up in even white nationalists. It’s like they can’t even recognize it when they see it (Mr. “There is no southern nationalism”, I’m looking at your ill informed a**) unless it’s adorned with a swastika…
            Why look to a foreign inspiration when the home grown variety is vastly more appealing and relate-able?

          • Tom B.

            You are absolutely right. I can’t help myself–when I hear Dixie and see our old battle flag waving–my heart swells with love and pride. We truly are a different people and I believe if we had our freedom we could once again be a great nation—maybe I am getting sentimental in my old age, but so did N.B. Forrest in his final years and he was the toughest guy there was.

          • SoulInvictus

            There’s something about the decline of testosterone production that does indeed make you softer. It’s not entirely bad and makes for great doting grandfathers.
            Your long term memory also gets sharper. You’d almost think we were designed so that the elders are naturally wizened and mellowed to give sage advice. ;)

          • Sick of it

            They overlook the fact that we were paying the nation’s bills before our homeland was utterly ruined. And that blacks/Hispanics are the ones on welfare.

          • SoulInvictus

            I would like to see the numbers on whether we’d still be debtor states if federal government programs weren’t funded.
            Removing that and the burden of our bloated military would probably fix a lot of that.
            Then let the Carolina’s start shipping cannabis to the world the same way tobacco built the early US.

          • jeffaral

            You’re mistaken. I love southerners like David Duke.

          • Talltrees

            That’s funny. The rascals were always depicted as jovial, lovable, a bit overweight or should I say, chunky, fat, and always knew best. In old movies that is.

            Yes, Elvis was good.

            “Were the South to secede they would end up like South Africa.”
            Good point.

          • Sick of it

            Completely false. We don’t have a large enough British population to turn us into South Africa. We have Southerners.

          • Talltrees

            Where did Southerners originally come from?

          • Sick of it

            We fought a war against those people because we became quite different from them. Since America outpaced the old country in every conceivable way very rapidly, their ways are obviously not worth copying.

          • Talltrees

            Who were the ancestors of the first Southerners? The original European Southerners came from somewhere.

          • Sick of it

            Ahh the supposedly anti-Jewish guy who’s actually anti-Christian is now anti-Southern. What a surprise. Maybe next you’ll talk about how wonderful Asians are, just like John Engelman.

          • Sick of it

            I come from some of the German settlers in Louisiana…those families are not mostly German anymore. Haven’t been since the 19th century.

    • So CAL Snowman

      Fascism says no to diversity more loudly than any other type of government

      • JSS

        Yeah is like the meme says, the answer to 1984 is 1933.

  • exlib93

    It’s a nice thought…however we have a lot of older people down here, who depend on Social Security. I would enjoy reading intelligent ideas on how we could make this happen in Fla.

    • indoctrination_FAIL

      And how many of them are actually Southern? –as opposed to parasitical “refugees” from northeastern People’s Republics that they voted to create? How many Angela Coreys? How many “parents” and grand-“parents” of Trayvons? How many proud Obama, Clinton, Carter, LBJ voters?

      Plenty of “older people” are worse than useless.

    • Homo_Occidentalis

      That was the communist FDR’s plan all along: get people totally dependent on the state, essentially bribing them with their own money. It makes any kind of revolution impossible without totally wiping out all of our accumulated wealth.

      • DonReynolds

        Not true. We can wait until the well runs dry to start digging a new well….or we can start digging a new well now.
        Practical solutions exist to keep accumulated wealth intact on all sides. Revolution and secession need not be violent. Norway managed to break free of Sweden about a century ago, without firing a shot.

    • DonReynolds

      No matter where they live, they will get Social Security. You can go live in Poland if you like and still get Social Security.
      If the breakup is orderly, and the elderly will become Confederate, the Feds will pass along the obligation to the Confederate government.
      Same as everything else. The US Post Office becomes the Confederate post office. Those postal workers who do not like it can be replaced by those who do.

  • http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/ bigone4u

    Secede? Yes. First, though, there should be a new Constitutional Convention to hammer out a new governmental form that would ensure that our next homeland does not degenerate into a toxic mess the way this country has. Franklin famously said, when asked what form of government the Founders had given the people, “A Republic, sir, if you can keep it.” Well, we didn’t keep it. We need to do better with the next one, such as by writing a racial purity clause into the document.

    • Long Live Dixie

      When the time comes I don’t think Southerners will make the same mistakes that were made in the past. Personally, I think the entire US constitution should be scrapped and the future Southern state should look much more towards the tradition of romantic nationalism for inspiration.

      • JSS

        On that I agree with you 150%. Cut ties totally with the old union. The history of the Confederacy and the South in general has plenty of romantic nationalism to sustain it, and its own great men and women to revere. During my time in the Army most of the guys in my platoon came from the old Confederacy, and it sickens me when I look back on that and realize how much this country has abused their genuine loyalty to a state and system that hates them. That really needs to stop. So if the League has stopped it’s diversity peons then they have my full support.

        • Long Live Dixie

          JSS, google “Southern Nationalist Network”. It is a blog maintained by a League state chairman. I think you’ll be happy with the direction the League has been moving in during the past few years. You can also find announcements about upcoming activist events there.

      • Jesse James

        The trick would be to convince the crusading northern progressives that Southern secession is THEIR idea this time so they will let us go peacefully this time. Remember all the anti-Southern propaganda in the last three national election cycles, all the editorial commentary about how the evil backwards white South is holding the nation back? How they could have reached their Progressive Utopia by now if it wasn’t for the Southern states and their legislators? How red states in general and the South in particular supposedly soaks up more federal tax dollars than we pay into the system? Yeah boy throw us into that thar briar patch.

        • Long Live Dixie

          There is no convincing the Northerners that the South ought to be free. Their hatred of us and desire to dominate us are too deeply rooted in their collective psyche. Southern freedom will come when Yankee power to control us weakens due the collapse of the US under its own weight.

          • BonV.Vant

            I am a “yankee” and I do not “hate” the south. I like it, and welcome any chance I get to travel or work down there.I think you enjoy self pity.

        • Talltrees

          With the old emerging Southern attitude becoming full-blown again, Northern conservative Whites might want to throw the Southern states out.

          • BonV.Vant

            If the south seceded as a white nation, I and many others would want to move there. It would be foolish for them to keep us out. Personally I am of Anglo-Celtic, French and Germanic background. I could blend in very easily down there. I am not the least bit liberal. There are a lot of whites throughout the US who are the same as me.

      • Sick of it

        Hopefully no one supports a man with too much “honor” to fight a guerrilla war until everyone is dead or we win. I’d rather have a Stonewall Jackson than a Robert E. Lee. A man with courage and conviction.

    • RisingReich

      When I envision this ‘convention’ all I can see is vampires the likes of Bonner, Cantor, and McAmnesty essentially re-creating the hell we currently inhabit.

      I’m sorry, but I have no faith in ‘leaders of men’ any longer.

      • DonReynolds

        Southerners need to be up front about the kind of country they want and make it public, write it down for everyone to read. If the people agree, they will support it. If they don’t, then it won’t happen anyway. Tell them the goal, then give them a chance to fight for it. Then it becomes a contract and a promise. Not many are willing to sacrifice everything for an undefined “something”.

      • Sick of it

        If the United States broke up into different nations and this federal system was gone, those men would not last more than one month.

    • jeffaral

      A racial purity clause is a very good idea, mirrored of course on the Nuremberg laws.

      • Long Live Dixie

        Southerners have more than 300 years of racial integrity laws to draw from. With independence, the mere act of declaring all US court rulings as void will automatically restore each Southern state’s anti-miscegenation law. Any laws that need strengthening can then be strengthened.

        • SoulInvictus

          Though total total fantasy in real world potential for happening (unfortunately), that is a very a good point.

  • Lord Sandwich

    Hey, it’s a good start. Somebody needs to raise the issue. The way blacks complain about white people as the devil, maybe we could agree that separation is in everyone’s best interest. The idea that there is nothing wrong with whites (and blacks) choosing to live among their own kind needs to be advanced. The country could potentially remain whole, but certain regions could be established for each race. The lovers of “diversity” could have their own regions also. Much like things are now, only on a larger scale and above board. If all races are equally capable and interchangeable, everyone should fare just fine. I would rather see it legislated than done through civil war. I’ll bet given the opportunity, white people would FLOCK to their own country or states or regions, (however it would be established). I own a house and have a job I like, but I’d give it all up TOMORROW and move so that my child can live a better life someday.

  • Simonetta

    Any discussion about Florida’s future needs to be predicated on the idea that Florida has no future. The National Geographic magazine recently published a series of maps showing the world’s geography in about 100-150 years when the polar ice caps have melted. Florida is simply gone; washed away by the 20-30 foot rise in sea levels expected to happen in this time period.

    This isn’t something that can be dismissed as science fiction or ‘liberal pseudo-science’. Smart people will accept that an epochal change is coming in the next hundred years, and it’s not religious-based conjecture like the fundamentalist concept of The Rapture. It’s real and predictable. What is open to debate is whether this warming will trigger the release of huge amounts of greenhouse gas methane that is currently frozen in Siberian perma-frost. This could result in the average daily temperature of the earth’s tropic regions (between the Tex-Mex border in the north and Rio/Sao Paulo, Brazil to the south) rising to a level of 140 degrees Fahrenheit. In that heat, nothing (or nothing important to sustaining civilized life) will grow and the present lush tropics will become desert like the Sahara. The people living in these regions are, if I may be blunt, …doomed. You should consider not having your family and future generations be part of this group by gradually relocating to northern regions that are not projected to be so catastrophically affected by this extraordinary geological transformation.

    The coming decades will see rising numbers of Class-5 super-storms hitting Florida and destroying repeatedly the housing and urban infrastructure there. Within 20 years we will probably see insurance companies refusing to pay for continuous rebuilding of Central and South Florida and its eventual abandonment. By the time that there is general public awareness of this climate disaster, it will be too late to do much except salvage. The idea of ‘saving’ Miami by building a huge network of dikes/levees, a 250 mile causeway, and maintaining an island city like Venice would only be possible if Miami were the only city facing drowning. But all low sea-level cities world-wide will be drowning, even inland ones like London. The capital resources will not be available to save Miami if the choice is between Miami and New York City.

    This is just a little something to keep in mind while debating the near-term future of American South and especially its coastal areas.

    • Homo_Occidentalis

      Florida will be a wasteland long before it is totally inundated. As soon as salt water enters its porous aquifers, agriculture in the state of Florida will become next to impossible.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    Secession must not be viewed as an in itself, but as the initial stage in the eventual liberation of the white man on the American continent. After secession, power must be consolidated, followed by the organization of the basic structure of the state along ethnoracial lines. The white ethnostate must then rid the entire US of its traitorous federal government and repatriate all 3rd world immigrants.

    • Long Live Dixie

      The goal of Southern nationalism is not to clean up the US, but rather to achieve the independence of the land of the Southern nation. Secession – or independence – is of course not the end by itself. It is instead a means to the self-determination of the Southern people and the re-establishment of Southern civilisation.

      • Jesse James

        Which wouldn’t preclude a strategic alliance with an independent white Northwestern nation.

        • Long Live Dixie

          If done on fair terms, I think a strategic alliance with a seceded area of the Interior West or Northwest might be possible.

        • Tom B.

          Years ago, when I lived in Alaska, I met a man who was a prominent member of the Militia of Montana. I can’t recall his name but he was very intelligent and a friendly fellow. We had a great conversation very similar to the one posted here and he and I found much common ground in our beliefs. He was of the opinion that the South had been right during the Civil War and he expressed hope that one day we could join with the conservatives of the Northwest and form an alliance just as you talk about. This was more than 20 years ago and I don’t even know if M.O.M. still exists, but he made a good impression on me.

          • Luca

            The South was dead wrong to defend slavery or to start a war over it. They should have picked their own cotton or found a viable alternative. Importing hoards of sub-Saharans did not do any of us any good in the long run.

            I respect them on their other issues, but not this one.

          • Tom B.

            You need to study your history a little better. The South was just one of many nations that held slaves and they were very much aware that it was an institution that was dying. Many prominent people in the South were abolitionists, but were more sensible and reasonable about it than the radical Yankee version. It was not the South that imported hordes of blacks to America–it was the Dutch, English , and New England Yankees who did most of the importing–the South used slave labor to build a rich Nation and I might add, probably the only time in our nations history that the black race ever contributed anything of value. This “pick their own cotton” line is really absurd. Modern machinery needed for that kind of work was a long way off. Contrary to what you have been taught, the war was not about slavery. Lincoln hated blacks and made it clear that his war was NOT about the slaves. It was brought about because of Greed—Lincoln, by his own words, would not allow the South to secede because it would end his supply of revenue from his unfair tariffs. The South did not start the war—Lincoln very craftily forced the South into firing the first shot at Sumter–giving him his reason to invade. I believe this war was very cunningly planned years before by a cabal of Northern and European bankers–but that is another story. There are many good books available now that clearly refute the lies told about the South and that damnable war–you need to read them.

          • LHathaway

            Lincoln hated blacks. . . this is as crazy as anything in the main stream media. Crazy as anything over on Huffington. This is crazier than them. . .

          • antiquesunlight

            Lincoln did hate blacks. The idea that Lincoln was heartsick over slavery is part of the liberal myth that the South was pure evil and the liberal North are our heroes. It ain’t no coincidence that the South – historically the most anti-government part of the country – is made to look backwards and evil.

          • Tom B.

            There is absolutely no reason for people to be so ignorant of Lincoln now days. His views on blacks is well documented and recorded in numerous well written books. By his own words–he did not consider them the equal of whites, he was very much opposed to miscegenation, and he wanted to ship them all back to Africa. Does this sound like someone who loved them? As much as I despise the man for what he did to the South, I find myself in agreement with him regarding blacks.
            I guess I should be more patient with some people, but I have read so many books on the history of that era that I take it for granted that other people are well informed—apparently I am wrong. Do some research my friend and you will see how “crazy” you sound!

          • Geo1metric

            There is an excellent book, THE REAL LINCOLN, by Thomas Di’lorenzo (sp).

          • LHathaway

            I’ve read many of these ‘anti-black’ statements by Lincoln. What the leftists who want to expose evil white machinations, and the whites who want to make Lincoln out to be a KKK member fail to do is print the entire quotes and instead only a small portion of what Lincoln was saying. Lincoln was willing to make ‘anti-black statements’ or go along with anti-black ideology and even ‘agree’ with it, but only as a preface to making equality arguments of his own i.e. logic. He certainly believed in equal treatment.

          • Sangraal

            Could you recommend some of these books? Thanks. US History is something of a gap in my knowledge (I’m not American), and I’d like to start in the right place.

          • Tom B.

            Sure. Start with Thomas DiLorenzo’s , “The Real Lincoln” or ” Lincoln Unmasked”. The author is an economist by trade and became interested in Lincoln while researching material on American economics. He is hated by the “court” historians who still push the Lincoln “myths” that are still, unfortunately taught in our schools. There are many other books if you decide to dig deeper.

          • Sangraal

            Thanks! Could be a while before I get round to reading it, but I’ll make a note of it.

          • Geo1metric

            Sorry, I posted before reading down this far. Yes, excellent books.

          • Luca

            So you’ve read books and now you have decided which authors are telling the truth. You must have amazing abilities to detect dishonesty when you read it.

            I read many sides and I decide for myself. You can also read books that claim Lincoln was gay, maybe you’d like to believe that one too, I choose not to.

            The books you are reading are written by “Johnny-come-latelies” who want to make a buck. You know, like the guys who claim aliens built the pyramids.

          • Tom B.

            After 40 years of reading books from both sides of the Lincoln debate it is not so difficult to see what kind of man he was. You can believe as you wish, but the damage to our nation regarding the problems with blacks, immigration, Cultural Marxism, and a host of other liberal programs can be traced back to the results of that war. Do you deny that the North is a stronghold for liberal ideology?. Do you understand that it is the North that gained and has maintained political power in America since that war–do you believe this was a coincidence? Just a little common sense and honesty will take you a long way down the road to reality. In all my 63 years I have endeavored to find the TRUTH, it isn’t always easy but if you persevere some of it can be found. The results of Lincoln’s war is all around us–it is the focus (race reality) of this website. That is my opinion–you are welcome to your own.

          • Luca

            Lincoln was a race realist and a slavery realist. He knew slavery was wrong and he knew the races could not live together.

            Had he lived he would not have imposed a harsh Reconstruction upon the South and probably would have found a way politically and economically to recolonize more negroes.

            My favorite books on Lincoln were Sandburg’s, I think they are the most diligently researched pieces that have stood the test of time. they were written long ago and massive volumes of research went into them.

            Usually big cities are bastions of liberal ideology. Look at Seattle, San Francisco, LA, Austin, Boston, Portland, NYC, Chicago etc.

            I seek truth too, but truth is subjective, it’s where you find it and how you see it.

          • Tom B.

            I have read Sandburg’s book, although many years ago. In fact, if memory serves me, wasn’t it Sandburg who first made light reference to Lincoln being gay? what was the line he used? something about shades of purple regarding a relationship Lincoln had with a “male” marine. I admit I am just musing and don’t remember much—I read that book maybe 30 years ago.
            At any rate, there was no justification for the invasion of the South regardless of which cause you uphold. Eleven state legislatures convened and decided it was in their best interest to secede from a very hostile North. The South should have been free and let go—the idea was supported by most Yankee newspapers at the time and that is well documented. Someone got to them though and they changed their stance as hostilities advanced.
            The real cause of that war was money and political power—not the” noble ” propaganda found in the Northern view. Do more honest research with an open mind and you will see.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Eleven state legislatures convened and decided it was in their best interest to secede from a very hostile North.

            Let’s not forget Missouri and Kentucky. Maryland would have probably been the fourteenth if part of their state legislature wasn’t in jail during the vote on secession.

          • Tom B.

            You are right sir—I dearly wish I had your abilities and knowledge to better debate these people. I think I shall just sit this out and let you do the talking. The people posting here would be wise to listen to you.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Thanks for the compliment, though I find your insights to be quite educational.

          • Sick of it

            If I recall correctly, Delaware wanted to secede, but they were occupied by the military. Then there was the attempted Copperhead secession, also put down by the military and the Pinkertons.

          • Geo1metric

            And who jailed those members of the Maryland state legislature? Lincoln did.

          • Sick of it

            Well, folks who didn’t support the War of Northern Aggression ended up in prison. That tends to damper public opinion a bit.

          • Tom B.

            Yes they did, thousands, without a trial I might add. For the life of me I cannot understand why there are still people who love Lincoln. He was a dictator who tore this country apart and set us on the road to Empire, “the cause of many sorrows” as Lee stated. I suppose when a person is brainwashed from early childhood–it must be difficult to see the truth no matter how much evidence is presented.

          • Talltrees

            Because we were brainwashed with how wonderful he was. We have to dig deep holes to locate the truth.

            Don’t think blacks should have been brought into the country for any reason. HUGE MISTAKE!!! Our Founders warned about allowing those with dissimilar cultures to come here. Their advice has been constantly devaluated.

            Poor Whites from Europe could have worked in the fields, but not as slaves, but the English were quite the snobs looking down their noses on hard working Europeans. Yes, there might have been a high turnover, but bringing more in would have been the better choice.

            After the fact, blacks should have been returned to Africa.

            No non-Whites should have been permitted to come here, under any circumstances.

          • John K

            And let’s not forget how Northern liberals like to call the founding fathers “right-wing extremists”.

          • Talltrees

            Doesn’t matter where they live, we know they are sick.

          • Sick of it

            There were 19th century biographies of Lincoln which clearly presented his distaste for religion (considering his compatriots, that should not be a surprise). Including one written by a close friend of his. Openlibrary DOT org is a great place to find old books.

          • SoulInvictus

            When I visited his monument in DC, it reminded me of something Stalin might have done. Impressive… but enshrining him in a greek styled temple as a statue bigger than Zeus, it feels weird in a perverted leader worship kind of way.
            But I guess he is the patron saint/father of the Federal Government much more than Washington.
            Never really thought of how fitting it is that they sit on opposite ends of the Mall.

          • John K

            Ironic, isn’t it? Blacks love to drive the cars named after Lincoln. They love Lincoln because he “freed” them. Are they truly free? Not until they’re back in Africa. They chain themselves again after committing crimes.

            Black History: the journey from chains to handcuffs.

          • Katherine McChesney

            ‘…Lincoln was gay….’

            I don’t believe a word of it. It sounds like some homosexual myth. These rumors serve no purpose except to further the perversion of homosexuals.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I watched a show on it and they were careful not to say it outright. I’m skeptical, too.

            Back in those days, because conditions were so crude, it wasn’t unusual to ‘hot rack’. Which is a military submariner term for sharing the same bunk while the other guy was on duty. It also wasn’t unusual, while traveling, for two men or two women sharing the same bed for the same reasons.

            The hucksters making that Lincoln-as-gay documentary only made those disclaimers quietly. The intent of the croc-umentary was clearly to gayify him.

          • Tom B.

            I have no idea if Lincoln was gay or not, but rumors of his sexual orientation go back a long way. I could care less, one way or the other—what bothers me is what he did to our country. That war was totally unnecessary and in my opinion he and his cabinet were war criminals. In light of what we are experiencing in our country today I would think that more people would take the time to find out how we got here. If you do I think you will find that the Civil War changed the whole nature of our country–from a free Republic of Sovereign States to a forced consolidation of states under the rule of an all-powerful central government. It set the stage for a takeover of our country by international bankers and I believe that was the real purpose of that war. There are many good books available—I urge everyone to research and get away from the propaganda that has been passed off as history for 150 years.

          • John K

            Whether Lincoln was a closet homosexual or not is irrelevant to me; he was a war criminal who first tried to bully Southerners, then waged war on them.

          • r j p

            Lincoln was the first closet homosexual POTUS from Illinois..
            The second?

          • Geo1metric

            Excellent summation of the reasons for The War To Prevent Southern Independence.

          • Luca

            Had there been no Civil War and if the Southern states had their way slavery would have continued and spread to other territories or newly formed States. You would now have probably twice the number of slave descendants you have today. There were plantations that were essentially breeding farms of negroes and it was not uncommon for one breeding female slave to have 10 – 15 offspring.

            That thought bothers me much more than anything else.

          • Tom B.

            Sir, you are merely speculating on things that are of no importance today. You have been brainwashed by the schooling you received during your youth just as we have in the South. You said that Sandburg was the Lincoln historian you trusted and admired—do some research–he was a radical socialist, ultra liberal, civil rights proponent, and a man honored and awarded by the NAACP. Historians like him and many other Lincoln worshipers are nothing but well paid propagandists. The johnnie-come-lately writers you derided are the very ones who are trying to get the truth out about that war. Buy some books by Thomas DiLorenzo , Charles Adams, or Lochlainn Seabrook, just to name a few. The truth is out there, but you have be willing to fight the indoctrination from the past and reach for it. If you are not willing to do that then we are just wasting each others time on this discussion.

          • BonV.Vant

            The constitution of the Confederate states had a provision that banned high import taxation. With low duties, the trade of north America would have shifted from the north to the south. New York, Boston and Philadelphia would have lost out to Savannah, Charleston, and New Orleans. The North would have had to set up customs stations all along it’s border with the south. Northerners would have been clamoring to buy the duty free goods from the south. It would have been a big blow to the industrialization of America. It is possible that America would have remained a largely agricultural nation. Luca’s speculation could very well be correct. Sometimes good things come out of bad things. The US became a major power because it industrialized. The south would have prevented that industrialization and would have fed the industrialization of Europe.

          • Tom B.

            More speculation? Are you saying it was right for the North to invade the South and butcher, rape, burn, and loot to prevent them from prospering just so the North could maintain an economy based on high and unfair taxation of the South. If so then that makes the North a totally criminal State, which exactly it was for invading the South. It also supports my belief that the war was all about money and all the noble Yankee propaganda is just that–a pack of lies. In essence, you are supporting absolute tyranny which is precisely correct and that is the message the South has been trying to get to the American people for so long. Any way you shake it—it proves that the North was a criminal aggressor and should be held accountable for their crimes. Can anyone reading these posts not understand now why the South wanted to separate from the corruption of the North and form their own country–can you not understand why it is what we wish to do now. We have lived under the boot heel of tyranny for too long—I can only speak for myself—I want to be free from your liberal, socialist, immoral practices and beliefs. There is a better way.

          • BonV.Vant

            No, I did not say it was right. Are you saying it is right to hold grudges to the point of being self defeating?

          • Tom B.

            It seems we may be misunderstanding each other — an easy thing to do on these forums. A self defeating grudge would be a waste of energy–freedom from an overbearing people would be great.

          • BonV.Vant

            We want the same thing, freedom from the parasites. WE want a nation defined as ethnically white. Your definition is too narrow. The white south can not stand on it’s own. Just as the thirteen colonies joined in a federation against the English. The white areas of the fifty states must join in a federation against the federal government. As far as the civil war goes, yes, the federal government was wrong but if the south had gotten it’s way, we may be worse off today that we are. Sometimes what at first appears to be a bad thing turns out to be a good thing. If you broke your leg that would be a bad thing. If you broke it on 9/11/2001 while on your way to work in the WTC ,and instead went to the hospital, it would have been a good thing.

          • Tom B.

            I have to disagree. The South could very easily stand on its own. We have more than enough people, agriculture, oil, and more factories could be built as needed. We have seaports, forests, and an established culture that is unique in the world. To join with the Yankees is wrong–they have proved for over two centuries to be our enemy. I lived among them for 15 years and I was shocked at how much many of them still hate us. They were the primary reason I left Alaska, a land I dearly loved, but I grew weary of the never ending insults and rudeness. There are people in some of the Western states that I liked though, and would have no problem with them, but the North? no way. What the North did to the South, and continues to do now, is more than anyone should have to tolerate. To excuse or condone an evil—I cannot support that.

          • r j p

            Lincoln “bundled” with males in his cabin.

          • Tom B.

            I did some more research on Sandburg, apparently he was a socialist–supported the civil rights movement and was honored by the NAACP. NOW we know why he loved Lincoln so much. Do you still think he is a reliable source of information. Bear in mind that Karl Marx ( the father of communism) was also a supporter and admirer of Lincoln.

          • Sick of it

            If by Dutch, you mean Dutch Jews, I agree. The English nobility were big into the slave trade. They also like the notion of making money off of tobacco when they realized how addictive it was. Other drugs came later.

          • Tom B.

            You are correct sir–I intentionally left out that part to keep the moderators happy–someone else mentioned that they don’t like such remarks.

          • kikz

            Naming ‘the beast’ is off limits? blinkblink? Why that’s cultural marxism….pc.

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s something I found odd too. Dr. Duke talks about that, though in kind words as he likes Jared Taylor. There’s an audio clip of a radio interview you can find online of Taylor saying that Eskimos look white to him and that he’s fine with them.
            I don’t know if he really shares the philosophy of another guy I like, Tom Trento of The United West, or if he just doesn’t want the anti-semite label hassle. Given the rest of his efforts, I can cut him slack on that because I wouldn’t want the SPLC crawling up my colon constantly either as a public figure. That seems to be Duke’s sentiments as well.

          • kikz

            Tom, its always bothered me, that Northern education teaches that black chattel slavery only existed within the vacuum of the Southern US, as if examples of Black African slavery didn’t extend into the ancient past, nor that some form of slavery existed in every culture in the world, even unto ancient Egypt. The subject is taught to school children as the disconnected sole invention of evil Southern Whites, w/no mention of Northern Black chattel slaves, Northern slave ports/fortunes such as Rhode Island which predate the ‘South’, nor any mention of near total Jewish monopoly over the entire global commercial enterprise, from acquisition/shipping to the very markets the slaves were auctioned in.

          • Tom B.

            You are right. They won the war so they got to write the history books–with all the distortions you mentioned and many more. I am getting pretty old now and as I have done so much research on our history, it saddens me that so much ignorance still prevails. If you have been reading some of the other posts you should have noticed some of the hateful, insulting comments about the South—this has been a common thing now for over 200 years. I have asked many people I have known from the North why they hate us so much. The response I got from some of them is that they were taught in school that we are evil racists. When we talk about secession—it is they who get angry and fume—you would think they would be glad to get rid of us but that does not seem to be the case. I met a few people from the North that were good people and I became friends with them and still communicate with them. Far too many though were rude, condescending, and unfriendly. I will never leave the South again.

          • DonReynolds

            Think about all those splendid regiments of Union troops who invaded the South for years. They bled and died by the zillions so that freed blacks could move North and take over Philly, Newark, Boston, New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, Cleveland, etc etc. Had they only known what to expect, there would have been no Civil War.

          • Luca

            All soldiers fight because they are ordered to do so by their government. The South fired the first shots and seized federal government property.

            If anything, the cause of the North was to reunite the nation and not allow armed secession.

            The South had a distinctly different way of life, socially and economically and that included slavery. Slavery was wrong on every level, even economically, to try to preserve it with violence was foolhardy.

            If you disagree with your government or you don’t like the newly elected President you don’t go to war over it.

            Most Northerners were appalled when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation and Army desertions sky-rocketed. Most Northern citizens, like Lincoln, wanted to end slavery but wanted the slaves recolonized somewhere else.

          • Long Live Dixie

            The South fired the first shots and seized federal government property.

            Fort Sumter is in South Carolina, not the North. An armed merchant ship was on its way from the US to resupply the fort. The South offered many times to negotiate the return of the fort to South Carolina, including by purchasing it outright. The US refused every offer.

            Firing into a fort, with the loss of no lives and with the immediate parole of all the soldiers inside the fort, does not start a war. What started the war was Lincoln’s invasion of Virginia.

            I’m extremely skeptical that most Northerners wanted to colonise the blacks. The very fact that they did not colonise them is good evidence that they didn’t want to.

            You say the North wanted to reunite the nation. That only shows that you don’t know what nation means. A nation is a people or a tribe. It is not a political union between different people. That is a state, not a nation.

          • Luca

            The US started the country of Liberia specifically to repatriate freed slaves. Apparently repatriation to Liberia was extremely costly so they wanted to send them to Panama or somewhere in the Caribbean but no other country wanted them.

            South Carolina was part of the United States. They had no right to armed secession so the federal Government did not honor it.
            The South had been threatening secession and war every time there was a political decision to prohibit the spread of slavery to new territories.

            We may disagree on many points, but whoever fires the first shot does not want to talk and has stated their intentions very clearly.

            If one party does not want to negotiate or sell property the other party has no right to take it buy force.

          • Long Live Dixie

            South Carolina was part of the United States. They had no right to armed secession so the federal Government did not honor it.

            The hardline Soviets said the same when their empire broke apart on national lines. “Armed secession” – now there’s a propaganda line. Arms became necessary only because the US refused to accept Southern independence.

            Your interest is obviously in preserving a political union between strangers that never should have been formed in the first place. My interest is in securing the survival, well-being, and independence of my nation. Blood is thicker than a political union.

            Looking to Europe, we see many examples of multi-national unions fracturing along national lines. Most of the time the fracture is relatively peaceful. It is only when a party of utopian fanatics has power that it descends into a blood bath.

            The empire you defend is all washed up. It serves the interests only of the internationalists and race-destroyers. It’s clear which side you are on.

            We may disagree on many points, but whoever fires the first shot does not want to talk and has stated their intentions very clearly.

            You must have missed what I just said about the peace negotiations that the South sent to the North and about the armed merchant ship that was headed from the US to the fort. Even a people who desire negotiated peace can be backed into a corner and forced to defend themselves. To suggest otherwise is preposterous. To suggest that the bombardment of a fort on Southern soil that killed zero people necessitated the bloodiest war in North American history is preposterous. All Lincoln had to do was swallow his pride and walk away.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            That’s why all these states are taking ‘baby steps’ this time around. An incremental approach of the type the Cultural Marxists used to create these degraded conditions.

            Vermont, Texas, North Colorado, West Maryland, the Michigan upper peninsula, California (6 states proposed) and now Florida.

            Florida would also have to go with a multiple states simultaneously option like CA, given the complete incompatibility with the many groups that invaded Florida.

          • SoulInvictus

            “South Carolina was part of the United States. They had no right to armed secession so the federal Government did not honor it.”

            Most of what I’ve read written by the Founders on this subject says they disagree with you. The States membership in the Union was intended to be at least somewhat voluntary.
            That they supported a secession from another authoritarian central government (Britain) would also indicate this.
            They were also largely Southerners, and I’ve always seen the Confederacy as a continuation of their lineage philosophically if not literally.

          • Geo1metric

            “South Carolina was part of the United States. They had no right to armed secession so the federal Government did not honor it.”

            Actually the States had every legal right to secede; the States were sovereign entities which formed the federal government to execute “enumerated powers”. In doing so, they, the States, in no way gave up their sovereignty.

            The reason Jefferson Davis never went to trial after the war was that the feds knew full well that he would win.

            If you examine the title of our Declaration of Independence, it says “… of these thirteen united States” with the “united” not in caps, a small thing, but nevertheless important.

          • Luca

            I am simply saying they had no right to an “armed secession”, it turned out to be futile tragedy that was easily predicted from the start.. They took no time at all once Lincoln was elected to start a war. They didn’t want a legal proceeding they wanted war.

          • Geo1metric

            The North invaded the South.

          • BonV.Vant

            Lincoln had long been a lawyer for the rich industrialists of the north and he was supported by the same in his run for the presidency. He campaigned for a return of high import taxes. The southerners were forced to pay artificially high prices for northern goods or to pay the import taxes. When congress assembled in 1861 the Morrill Tariff was passed almost immediately. It doubled the rates of the 1857 tariffs. Licon’s was victorious and his supporters were ecstatic. This closed the door to any reconciliation with the south. In 1832 there had been an earlier rebellion over high import taxes when South Carolina declared the duties unconstitutional and the governor was authorized to resist any attempts by the federal government to enforce them. A civil war almost broke out at that time but a compromised was reached as the tariff was to be reduced to levels that S Carolina would tolerate.
            Prior to 1832 the tariffs were needed to pay the debt for the war of 1812 and for the Revolution. By 1832 though the debt had been repaid. The only justification for the tariffs after that time was to take money out of the south and put it in the pockets of the northern industrialists.The south exported 3/4 of it’s goods and used that money to buy European goods.The south was paying 3/4 of all government taxes but most of the money was being spent in the north.
            In Lincoln’s inaugural address he stated he would collect tariffs from the south EVEN IF they seceded! In his inaugural address he also stated his anti-abolitionist stance and his exact words were

            ” I do but quote from one of those speaches when I declare that ‘I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so'”

            So we see right there what the real cause of the civil war was!
            Fort Sumpter was a federal garrison on an island in the harbor of Charleston SC. It’s purpose was to enforce the tariffs that Lincoln said he would collect from the south even if they seceded. Is it proper to say that the south started the war when the north was violating their sovereignty?

          • Tom B.

            After reading this I am sure I misunderstood your other post—my sincere apologies if I offended you. I do try to conduct myself properly, but my love for the South makes me very defensive.

          • BonV.Vant

            I’m no lady

          • Tom B.

            Thank you for clarifying that. It is difficult to tell sometimes and I take extra steps to avoid offending women. I am old school and just can’t help it.

          • kikz

            golfclap.. well said!

          • Geo1metric

            By definition, it was not a “civil” war. The southern states had every legal right to secede, which they did and formed a new nation, The Confederate States of America. The United States then invaded the CSA, and utterly destroyed it. The CSA lived as a separate nation for around four years.

            Not to nit-pic, but I think it’s important historically to understand what really happened.

          • LHathaway

            you know. . .I was just thinking of this lately. . . but remember all the tales of ‘southern oppression’ of blacks? It occurred to me recently that these ‘myths’ may have been sewn for the sole purpose of having african americans wanting to move to the north, which the certainly did.

          • DonReynolds

            Great point. The great migration of blacks in the South was not until the 1920s, due to the mechanization of agriculture, which ended the sharecropper system. Suddenly, land owners did not need so much labor and blacks left the South for factory work.

          • Tarczan

            As Savage explained it, the civil war began over states rights, specifically the right to secede. This never really caught on with the north, so Lincolin issued the Emancipation Proclamation to make it over slavery, something more likely to inflame emotions.

          • Sick of it

            Considering the draft riots up North and considering that there were so many dissenters in the North and West who were put down via military force, I’d dare say the Federal cause did not have much support nationwide. They were thugs with guns, just like today.

          • John K

            The war had nothing to do with slavery. Even some Northerners had slaves, and New York City was the largest slave port.

            As I see it, even though Lincoln had no love for blacks, he is a war criminal who waged war on fellow Americans.

            The slavery problem would have taken care of itself. General Lee also knew they were inferior, and the South would eventually have freed them and sent them back.

          • Luca

            Slaves were viewed as property, much like cattle, when you own 100 – 200 slaves and they are worth $500+ each (probably $10,000 each in today’s dollars), you are not going to casually let that amount of money slip away by freeing them.

          • Geo1metric

            The feds will never allow session; power is never voluntarily relinquished.

            I think we should secede individually, moving to a selected geographical area one by one. From the beginning, “the others” can be “encouraged” not to come. Over time, we will have our ethno-state and the rest will follow.

          • Tom B.

            I tend to believe that when the economy collapses and chaos is all around, maybe then would be the time. I don’t see it as a peaceful development—we will have to contend with the blacks–I can only hope the people up North will stay out of it. The blacks can be controlled so I have no desire to give up the South because of them–they will be a minor problem in the end. It is really anyone’s guess as to how it will play out–I sure wish I was about 40 years younger though.

        • Sick of it

          We should never make the mistake of working too closely with people who aren’t like us. Hell, the Founders believed the same thing.

          • Jesse James

            And therein lies ones of our great challenges – identifying those who are like us and defining first and foremost for ourselves who we are. Even amongst white Southerners born and raised here you never quite know where people stand anymore. Once what bound us together was common heritage, language, culture, religion, shared prejudice and experience, and most of all a sense of belonging and comradery. I am not saying that these things no longer exist but you can certainly no longer take them for granted.

          • kikz

            I’ll pointedly ask, is there ideological room in your new South for pro-gun Independents? I see ‘the people’ getting screwed by both sides of a singular team in a scrimmage match. As on another thread, here on this site, I was censored for being an Independent, and called a troll for not paying fealty to andrewinterrupted’s veneration of yankee ann coulter. On that particular post, apparently, any deviation from extreme neo-con dogma was viewed as ‘libruuuuul marxist treachery’. From reading the mission statement of this site, it was not apparent that being an Independent was a deal-breaker as far as inclusion and participation were concerned. (shrugz)?

          • Jesse James

            I don’t represent anyone but myself kikz so I can’t really speak to a League of the South type Southern secession viewpoint, that is more a question for Long Live Dixie. That being said we have a wide range of political and cultural viewpoints around here. There are those that give credit to Ann Coulter for being one of the few mainstream voices who has lately been pretty open in her arguments for insisting that whites have their own group issues and the right to push a pro-white agenda. I happen to think that overall she is doing good work all things considered. Others here will damn you for a race traitor for supporting her even a bit because she has dated blacks in the past. I figure that we have so many clear enemies that anyone who is figuratively and one day perhaps literally willing to help build our barricades and take a shot at the savages and the communist rabble rousers is ideologically pure enough for me. There are plenty of us here that despise the Democrats and Republicans alike as our Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb democracy doesn’t really represent any of us very well.

          • kikz

            thx jj, i discount the mainstream media as anything but theatre… so it’s no biggie to me what any talking head of IT yammers… she’s dated blacks? news to me. another thing ta make ya go… hmmmmm. i appreciate your time in craftin’ a response though.. thank ya kindly
            :D

      • kikz

        self-determination…which is what Southerners have been called traitors for over 150yrs, and which was also was impetus of the Revolutionary war.

  • Truth Teller

    Florida is heavily Hispanic and black. Some of the Southern states are 30 percent black. 12.5 percent nationally causes many problems. What’s going to happen is some of the southern states secede?

    • DonReynolds

      Arkansas, Florida, and New York are less than 16 percent black. Ohio is 12 percent, but Texas and Missouri are even lower. Nevada is 8 percent, but Oklahoma and Kentucky are even lower.

    • Sick of it

      If we secede, the Federal government will arm the blacks to attack us from within. We will crush them and drive them out…then they can be the Northerner’s problem. Or perhaps the Mexican’s problem. They lack the discipline to fight a real war against us.

      • kikz

        it seems we approach Achilles’ last stand.. and mentally must burn the boats.

  • antiquesunlight

    My little Southern heart is just so happy about this I can barely contain myself. I am very, very pro-Secession. League of the South has my full support. For me, this is much bigger than race. It’s about re-establishing a certain kind of political and civic culture that is being rapidly and mercilessly squashed.

    • Tom B.

      It would be a dream come true. No more sick liberal garbage to contend with–a return to a kind of life that was the best any country ever lived. It would take a lot of work to repair the damage caused by the Cultural Marxists, but over a couple of generations we just might be able to bring our people back from Hell’s grip. I hope it happens in my life time.

    • kikz

      does that southern culture include veneration, nay worship… of the yankee ann coulter? :D i certainly hope not ;)

      • antiquesunlight

        I do like Ann Coulter. When the South reclaims its territory, I am perfectly fine with letting her emigrate here.

  • Truth Teller

    News from Oxford Miss re; the James Meredith statue. The ole Miss Alumni association offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the persons who put the noose on the statue. Some one snitched. on 3 members of Sigma Phi Epsilon. They got attorneys immediately and are refusing to say a word. Sigma Phi is on suspension by the national fraternity.. The 3 have been expelled from the fraternity.
    District attorney Daben Creekmore has searched and searched for a crime with which to charge the 3. But no harm or vandalism was done. They did not trespass. There are no malicious mischief or other petty charges that can possibly be made. So as of today he won’t charge them with anything.
    Federal and state law enforcement are trying to cook up some kind of charge. Sigma Phi will undergo an intensive maoist brainwashing session. If they are not charged the snitches won’t get the $25,000.
    But I am sure the feds will come up with something.

    • r j p

      So the Ole Miss Alumni Association now cowers?

  • DonReynolds

    Like always…..there are at least two ways…..including the hard way and the easy way. We do not always get a choice how things will unfold. All the people I know would like the easy way, but there are enough people to do it the hard way too. The end result is the same. One just costs more than the other.

  • DonReynolds

    Check out Ft. Fisher, North Carolina……the largest Confederate defenses built during the Civil War. The fort is still there, but part of it is under the sea. Still, it has been a century and a half…..certainly not a dramatic increase in the sea level.
    New York and Boston and Charleston have been major ports on the Atlantic seaboard for almost 400 years and none of them have been inundated by the ocean.

    • http://nclinksandthinks.wordpress.com/ Roger U

      “but part of it is under the sea.”

      None of Ft Fisher is underwater, but some of it is gone due to erosion. You could say the sea is redistributing it Northwards towards Cape Lookout.

  • Truth Teller

    I loved their music. Not the Dixie cliché but something even older my favorite, Celtic music.

    • Sangraal

      On youtube, there is a lovely bluegrass rendition of the English-Scots folk ballad ‘House Carpenter’ by Clarence Ashley.

  • Truth Teller

    I loved the music on the video.. Not the Dixie cliché but something even older my favorite, Celtic music.
    Lincoln had little to do with the war. He was just a tool of the abolitionists and quakers.
    The anti slavery movement started around 1820 by the bankers, capitalists and industrialists of the north. They wanted the timber, cotton, iron, coal, sugar, rice, tobacco, the numerous river and ocean ports and fast access to Cuba, Mexico and the Caribbean.
    Had their tool Lincoln not started it in 1861 their next tool would have started it.
    The Rothschild bank of Frankfurt GR and their patron the Grand Duke of Hesse lent the money to France that lent it to the founders to fight our revolution. The Duke rented out his army to the English. So the Germans profited from both sides.
    After the Napoleonic wars were over, the bankers needed more government debtors. So they fomented the abolitionists. Of course the Yankees were eager as well Like Ben Franklin and Silas Dean in France before the revolution southerners went to Europe to sound out both goverments and bankers. The result was Judah Benjamin of Rothschild Morgan bank.
    The federal government won. The resources of the south were looted by the northern industrialists. The south became a colony of rapacious northern business. The region was plunged into poverty for a century.
    750,000 White men died. Probably 50,000 southern civilians died of malnutrition, disruption and disease caused by the war. And the blacks moved north to rape and pillage the cities from whence the union soldiers came.
    I doubt Lincoln hated blacks. He just had a realistic view of them. I do not believe he would have sent them back to Africa had he lived to serve a second term. Sending the blacks back to Africa was an empty campaign promise to the northern working classes who did not want the labor market swamped with freed blacks.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Sending the blacks back to Africa was an empty campaign promise to the northern working classes who did not want the labor market swamped with freed blacks.

      I agree with this. If Lincoln wanted to deport the blacks he would have done so. He was not shy about throwing his power around or breaking rules that stood in his way. Near the end of the war when abolitionist influence had taken a firmer grip in the North, Lincoln had dropped his talk of deportation. In his last speech he said he supported partial black suffrage (for the “very intelligent” and for veterans).

      • kikz

        you both should investigate The American Colonization Society, Lincoln was a member.

        • Long Live Dixie

          Lincoln did a lot of things to advance his political career. The southern part of Illinois is conservative and identifies with the South. I judge him by his actions rather than by his words or affiliations.

          • kikz

            yeah, me too, like ……….declaring open war on civilians, shuttering the free press, imprisoning dissenters, suspending habeas corpus, posse comitatus, and generally crapping all over the Constitution, while decidedly minor league – participating in insider trading/railroad land purchases, through his connections as railroad hack in the ’50s :D

    • Tarczan

      Enforcing States’ rights and the 9th and 10th amendments will work just as well, along with honoring the Constitution. It would also be a lot less bloody. Just let the Fed do the things it was meant to in the Constitution and leave the rest to the states. I know Jared Taylor says we shouldn’t expect the collapse of the dollar to usher in States Rights, but it is one possible outcome. If there were no federal welfare and AA programs, let the blacks do as they wish, they have to carry their own water. Any state with a massive welfare program would go broke soon enough, but with the fed, any unsolvent program is feasible as long as money can be generated out of thin air.

      Michael Savage has just been a tear lately. He called Lincolin a terrorist, and overall he has come as close as he can to endorsing an AmRen like platform. He also called for an end to the war on whites, saying it was the whites who gave us civilization and all its’ inventions.

      The music in that video is a version of “The Last of the Mohicans” title song. It’s on Itunes.

  • BonV.Vant

    OF course this will be scoffed at, people will say it is not possible etc etc etc. Yet the talk about secession keeps building. This will be the future. A white America will emerged from the ruination that the liberals have wrought.

  • BonV.Vant

    Break it down by county/region You will see that Florida most likely will break up the way California is projected to break up.

    • kikz

      someone’s probably already mentioned Tx.. contained in its Constitution, are provisions for it to divide into 5 states, been on the books, since return to the union, as this was a condition.

  • Who Me?

    “You were also telling us in the late seventies the earth was headed into another ice age, where did the ice go?”–mirage

    Ha, thought I was the only one who remembered that little snippet.

  • Luca

    If there ever were to be a secession it should not be about South vs. everybody else.

    Those on the Right should secede from those on the Left. It should be a secession from Liberal ideology and not about geography, romanticism, nostalgia or anything else.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Southern independence from the North is independence from the Left. The Left will be marginalised to insignificance in a Southern Southland. Nearly every example of Leftism that exists today in the South has come from the North. Nearly every Leftist person in the South is a non-Southerner.

      Instead of arguing against Southern independence (and distorting the motives behind it), why don’t you spend your time trying to convince Yankees to stop fawning over Obama? That will keep you plenty busy.

      • Luca

        The Liberals are everywhere but mostly in big cities where they can indoctrinate and control the masses. They are North, South, East and West, in our schools, universities, in the media, in politics, in labor unions, in Hollywood, in Sports, in banking, in the legal system, etc. There are more in the North because the North has historically had larger cities that were established before the southern cities and it was also the port of entry for most immigrants who are generally more liberal/socialist.

        If the South were to secede they’d be taking their Liberals with them. If you think there were no original Liberals in the South than you are forgetting the large number of Southerners who went North to defend the Union (and vice versa).

        It’s as simple as “United We Stand and Divided We Fall”. It is exactly what the Marxist puppet masters want: a lack of unity. They want people of different races, religions, ethnicities, ideologies, etc. constantly fighting so that they don’t see the real threat.

    • Tom B.

      How do you separate Liberal ideology from the North? I lived among Yankees in Alaska for 15 years and met thousands of them and had many conversations with them. I also traveled through the North on many occasions and my experiences convinced me that the overwhelming majority are liberal. Just the opposite is true in the South, but we have been inundated by liberals from the North and they always retain their beliefs and are therefore a detriment to our country, they always have been. Why is it that people from the North get so bent out of shape whenever we talk about secession? Why can’t you people just let us go our separate ways–we have never wanted anything you have–we simply want to be left alone to live our lives in peace without all the liberal insanities of the North. If I lived in the North as a conservative, I would become active in re-educating my friends and neighbors to try to steer them away from the liberal brainwashing. That would be a step in the right direction–leave us alone and we will do the same to you.

      • Long Live Dixie

        . . . we have been inundated by liberals from the North and they always retain their beliefs and are therefore a detriment to our country . . ..

        Very true. In fact, the liberal regions of the South correspond exactly with the areas where the Yankees have settled in large numbers – Maryland, northern Virginia, eastern Virginia, and southern Florida.

        When Yankees insist on maintaining the forced union despite all evidence that it is racially destructive, they only prove that they care more about Yankee domination of the South than they do about racial integrity.

      • Sick of it

        We’re getting mid-western and western liberals in droves today too.

  • Sick of it

    So far I’ve only seen colonization by foreigners and liberals. They plan to fill the sane parts of the country with the trash who will vote the “right way”…

    • BonV.Vant

      that trash needs to be supported. They have been engaged in a strategy which is not sustainable.

      • Sick of it

        Consider the end game. Consider mechanization, automation of everything. Slowly but surely reduce/eliminate the capable, then wipe out the rest en masse. It’s not like they could successfully oppose those in power. Most of the countries on the entire planet make for good examples.

  • Sick of it

    As usual, Manbearpig was dead wrong. I saw ice around here that I hadn’t seen in over 10 years.

  • Truth Teller

    My family is located in the projected Silicon Valley future state if California separates into 6 states. Being White Americans some of whose ancestors came to California in the 1830’s I’m sure their property will be confiscated and they will be banished to a remote area of North eastern California which will be the equivalent of W. Virginia in terms of poverty if California separates.
    On the other hand, the biggest cash crop in California is grown in the remote forests of N. California. Marijuana is to Northern California like oil is to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. So maybe things will work out.
    Tom Draper is a billionaire venture capitalist. He will rule the future Silicon Valley State. The only Whites will be people like him and Zuckerberg. The rest will be indio and metizo slaves and Indian and Asian STEM workers.
    His last political venture was school vouchers. School vouchers sound like a good idea. But remember this for every voucher child admitted to a good , safe White school, a child who actually lives in that school district will not be admitted. Draper is a billionaire capitalist whose industry took the lead in discriminating against the White s who invented the tech industry and created Silicon Valley.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I’ve been trying to get some insight on the whole CA secession scenario. Yours in the first I’ve heard. Not good.

  • Truth Teller

    Long Live Dixie is right about Northern hatred and ignorance of the south. A transplanted New Yorker friend and I once planned a trip together. When it became obvious that she could not afford Europe I suggested New Orleans. She gasped and moaned something about how she could never go to New Orleans because of how horribly the blacks were treated there.
    This was a couple years before Katrina, maybe 2003. She was practically in tears about how the blacks are abused by Whites in New Orleans.
    I told her that outside of the tourist areas New Orleans is probably 90 percent black and that all the police and public officials are black. She continued sniveling.
    Interesting she grew up in Brooklyn when the blacks had a reign of terror against the Whites.
    Her family lived right across the street from Prospect Park. Because of he blacks the family never used the park and did not use the sidewalks bordering the park.
    But then she is a member of the tribe and her DNA requires she reject certain realities.

  • Truth Teller

    Long Live Dixie
    I always thought the entire state legislature of Dixie was in prison through out the war? New York city was very dependent on shipping southern exports to Europe and European imports to the south. The banks and investment houses were dependent on the richest section of the country, the southeast. The Mayor of NYC, I forget his name was all for secession of the New York metro area. They even had a name for the future state, Trilandia for the 3 islands, Manhattan, Long and Staten.
    There were a lot of pro secessionists in the north and Midwest during the war. But the only northerners who did anything about it were the New Yorkers during the draft riots.
    In addition to imprisoning the Maryland legislature, Lincoln also suspended habeas corpus.
    Approximately 40,000 newspaper editors and publishers spent the war in prison. Obviously Lincoln and the war party feared dissent so much they had to silence the media.

    • DonReynolds

      Read up on the Copperheads….Northern Democrats who opposed the civil war. You may find it interesting. There was plenty of dissent.
      When Lincoln issued his Proclamation Emancipation, several entire regiments of Union troops quit the war and returned home to Mid-West states.
      Many Northern men were willing to fight a war to preserve the Union but when the object of the war became to free the slaves, a good bit of the war effort switched to black recruits.

    • kikz

      y, in the panic of ’57, King Cotton, didn’t blink, however the railroads and the banks were in apoplexic fits. The draft riots, in effect turned into race riots, w/casualties.

  • Truth Teller

    The ship that brought the first germs of the black plague to Virginia in 1619 was Dutch. The blacks were Angolans, a Portuguese possession. They were not sold as slaves. Land was allotted to them. Many became farmers and others became servants of farmers. One of them, Antoine Johnson was the first person in English America to file a lawsuit that resulted in one of his black Angolan servants being made a slave.

  • Truth Teller

    I forget his name but Lincoln sent an ambassador to not just Panama but several C. American countries to explore resettling the blacks after the civil war. Everyone refused. The ambassador of Nicaragua to the United Sates strongly objected. Our ambassador went all over C. America and could find no takers.
    But 50 years later the Northern capitalists were sending special trains for them as well as recruiting all over Europe. for cheaper and cheaper and cheaper labor.

    • DonReynolds

      The British found a place in Central America…..British Honduras, now called Belize. (The birthplace of chewing gum.) They also dumped them off in Jamaica and the Bahamian islands.

  • Long Live Dixie

    The only part of FL that could legitimately be part of a new confederacy would be the area north of the 28th parallel.

    The uninvited newcomers can be shown the door. Their presence on our land is not a reason for a partition.

  • WR_the_realist

    I would be willing to give up my future social security receipts (the only thing of any value the federal government offers me) if New Hampshire would secede from the monster that is Washington, D.C., and I no longer had to feed the beast with my taxes.

    • SoulInvictus

      Now that has potential. I differ with Long Live Dixie below in that if a secessionist movement is ever going to gather any public support, initially it is going to Have to originate outside of the South. Otherwise it’ll just get painted with the Confederate brush.
      New Hampshire does have a strong historical precedence and inclination towards independence and liberty…

      • DonReynolds

        In the South, the Confederate brush already has quite a bit of public support. Outside the South, we do not need their public support.
        Best of luck to New Hampshire.

        • SoulInvictus

          You know, from the sound of it… who Does support the current Fed Gov? Serious question.
          From coast to coast people are sick of it, not just the South. From Pacific to Atlantic, people are sounding off with exactly the arguments made before the Civil War. Lack of representation, spending, corruption, conflict with regional laws and desires.
          It’s clear this marriage hasn’t worked, or at least that DC has horribly bungled it.
          Can there really be enough force in the various federal agencies to tie this thing together against the peoples’ will? I get how they were able to (barely) do so against the South, especially with slavery in the balance. But when it’s almost the Entire country, what do they do? DC, Chicago and New York war against the rest of the states?
          The more I think about it, I don’t see how the next 20 years doesn’t end with either a voluntary dissolution of the Feds or open conflict.
          You can bet those that control the Federal Reserve will not willingly relinquish their cash cow and global weapon though…

          • MBlanc46

            [W]ho Does support the current Fed Gov?”

            Negroes, Hispanics, and single white women.

          • DonReynolds

            I think the Federal government supports them instead and they will miss Uncle Sugar when he is gone, because I am pretty sure no one else will pick up the slack.

          • MBlanc46

            It’s a mutual admiration society, all right, and the rest of us pick up the tab.

          • DonReynolds

            I am certain there are groups and individuals who will not like what is coming……I will not like it either. But it make not make a bit of difference. The Federal government is self-destructing before our very eyes and their current path is clearly unsustainable.

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s my thinking too.
            And when it’s no longer fringe separatists, but mainstream economists and politicians, then how does that not throw up danger signs to everyone…
            Arguably, the Tea Party are overtly separatist-lite, and they have seats in power.
            That whole fiscal cliff shutdown thing, and sequester preceding that, smacked of secession-lite (for lack of a better name) to me. It all verges on saying the obvious, the experiment has failed and needs a reboot at the state level to expunge the waste and corruption.
            50 or so years of leftists and an enabling corporatist right have accomplished what the Brits, Nazis, and Soviets couldn’t…
            Well, maybe the soviets did in a way.

          • jackryanvb

            Our problems are Constitutional law problems. The laws against illegal immigration, assault, rape and murder by Blacks aren’t being enforced.

            Rhodesia Zimbabwe had a decent Constitution, lot of good it did to Whites there.

          • DonReynolds

            The Tea Party are nostalgic and sentimental. They wish for 1776 without having lived it themselves. They are not separatists.
            The sequester was Obama’s idea, not the Tea Party. The fiscal cliff and shutdown was nothing more than a media circus. But I agree with you, our system of government is flawed, cannot fix itself, and is unsustainable. That means it will all come to a stop without the separatists doing anything.
            I do not look for a new Constitutional convention. The divisions in this country are too sharp and too deep for a convention to be anything other than a coup d’état by the elite.
            As for mainstream economists, I am one of them. Taught from 1978 to 1998 at eleven different colleges and universities and worked in the government.

          • SoulInvictus

            In 1978, could you have even fathomed trillions of debt?
            I can’t see how these people go to work everyday and don’t see that it’s time for panic mode. They just push on and spend more. I guess with the bulk of them being millionaires, they have completely departed from the reality the rest of us inhabit. That’s the only thing I can figure as justification. Total delusion.
            It’s either that or willful treasonous disinterest in the inevitable results for the country.

          • DonReynolds

            Hard as it might be to imagine, I can well remember the few times the word “trillion” was ever used in the economics classes I took for the masters and the doctorate. In talking about national income accounting, occasionally, someone would mention that the total economy was a few trillion dollars. It was a worthless figure really.
            We never thought there would ever be a day when the currency would be debased to the point where the word trillion would be used so often. Maybe Zimbabwe, but never the USA. (The last time I bothered to check, a trillion dollar Zimbabwe note was worth about $1.80 in US currency.)
            I cannot help you on a timeline. There are those who claim to know and I am always interested to read what they have to say. I have not seen anything convincing. Things are simply too unstable and volatile, so it is impossible to predict anymore. We all know this country is moving from point A to point B, without a change in direction. Best of luck.

          • JohnEngelman

            The increase in the national debt is the result of the scam of “supply side economics,” AKA “voodoo economics.” Until Ronald Reagan came up with the lunatic idea to cut taxes while increasing military spending the national debt was paid down as a percentage of gross domestic product. After President Clinton raised taxes on the rich the national debt was paid down absolutely.

          • Sick of it

            White Bostonians did not seem to mind being treated like slaves after the Boston bombing.

      • jackryanvb

        New Hampshire voted for Obama over Romney and just elected a bunch of idiot, frumpy middle aged women Libs to Congress.

        This New Hampshire “live free or die” stuff only appeals to men. Giving women the vote really messed up our country, maybe finished us.

  • Truth Teller

    Don Reynolds. For me personally, 0 percent black is desirable, 2 percent black percent is tolerable and anything more is unbearable. Even you managed to stop their crime, you would still have to look at them and listen to them howling and jabbering about nothing.

    • DonReynolds

      Everyone has preferences and you can live your preferences in a number of states. Ten states have two percent black or less……Oregon, Maine, Utah, Wyoming, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Vermont and Montana.

      • IstvanIN

        But Maine is getting supplied with Somalis.

        • kikz

          a sister city to the north, however decidedly in the south, Toronto has problems with her Somali as well.

  • refocus

    During the 1992 Presidential campaign Ross Perot observed that
    “a general lack of accountability among elected officials and those in the bureaucracy was the one specific reason that the people in America suffered”.

    Mr. Perot then suggested that the best and perhaps only way
    to make government officials accountable was to include the citizens in the decision making process – every hour, every day.
    He went on to note that this can easily be done with computers
    and called the proposed mechanism
    THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL.

    With this computer program every interested citizen can indicate
    whether or not they agree or disagree with every law, policy and program on the books or that was being advanced. It can be used at every level of government and in every jurisdiction.

    To prevent chaos the basic law, our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be exempt from review.

    Mr. Perot speculated that the Founding Fathers would probably have done the same had the technology been available. He referred to it as the Fourth Branch of government; Executive, Judicial, Legislative and Electronic Townhall.

    The idea is to perfect every section of the various laws and policies that do effect each and every one of us every single day.

    The program would even allow a citizen to go back and change his vote as he matured.

    The gray area…
    As the data is collected, a reasonable person would expect that
    the responsible government officials would modify the laws, policies, and programs and make them congruent with the will of the people they are supposed to be representing.

    With tens of millions of laws and tens of thousands of taxes there is plenty of work to be done.

    According to Mr. Perot, this, the harnessed experience and the combined intelligence of hundreds of thousands or even millions of citizens focused like a laser light on the real issues, will, as surely as night follows the day, perfect every law in our country and eventually it will right every wrong.

    THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL is the only way to do it.

    Mr. Perot publicly announced his intention to give the fourth branch of government to the people in America if he was elected President.

    But this attempt to empower our humanity
    was so far removed from the business-as-usual-two-party-system
    that the talking heads and trolls yelled out that Mr. Perot was trying to destroy our Constitution, our government and our way of life.

    The ELECTONIC TOWNHALL was denounced as unworkable.
    How would the poor participate?
    How would fraud be prevented?
    What about those who do not know how to use a computer?

    In a final act of desperation the control freaks claimed that
    letting the average citizen to pass judgment on the individual pieces of public law would lead to anarchy.

    But we all know the truth: only the concerned will bother to participate.

    The media was so intensely negative towards the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL that Mr. Perot was forced to stop talking about it.

    Its now been twenty two years since the proposal.

    No other person of national reputation or significant influence has picked up the idea. BUT the big two political parties regularly stage “townhall meetings” where they talk of “reform” and “returning power to the people” and try to link themselves to the empowering part of the idea without adding to its manifestation.

    And still we suffer in the hopeless loop of: “candidates with a sense of morality and respect for the Constitution who understand true brotherhood, justice and democracy and who will do the right thing for us each and every time, trust me”.

    While we cannot make light of sincere individuals who get into public office we must acknowledge the fact that regardless of who has been elected to public office the problems in our government get more complicated and our people continue to suffer.

    Could we possibly admit that our national situation, now being made global, is far too complicated for the President and the 535 elected members of the legislature to manage in our best interests?

    You, the person reading this know some of the things we need.
    Your friends, our fellow countrymen have their solutions too.

    But the only way to organize the workable ideas is to create
    a device that will enable all of us to simultaneously contribute
    our best thinking and most benevolent experience towards solving our most complicated problems.

    That device is THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL and the place to begin is with our existing laws.

    In 1996 Rush Limbaugh mentioned the demonstration site by accident. We got 15 thousand hits in 24 hours and 4 thousand people answered the home page survey question: (after some preamble)

    *How long should a legally arrived elderly immigrant have to wait before they start collecting social security?*

    In less than two weeks the US Congress changed the criteria from 6 months to two years.

    NOW
    As living witnesses to the political power this device holds for civilized humanity, we urge you to participate fully in the prototype ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL and forward the news of its existence to all those you know to be interested in the future well being of the people of our country.

  • Sick of it

    We know which ethnic group Gramsci wanted to dominate the new Marxist world.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Yes. Despite his Sardinia birthplace, he had high amounts of Khazar (Caucasus) blood. Never good.

  • Sick of it

    I figure that if one southern state secedes, others will follow suit. We’re pretty much sick of it all.

  • Luca

    Okay. But my major point was that the South was dead wrong to engage in an armed rebellion and they were wrong on the slavery issue. It was pure folly to think they could take on the North. They had little manufacturing, a smaller population, and insufficient railways or other means of transportation. They relied to heavily on ports which could be blockaded, thereby not allowing cotton out or supplies and money in.

    They were full of bravado and in reality I believe a large factor for starting the war was they simply hated Lincoln because Lincoln was against slavery.

    I don’t want to re-fight the civil war, what’s done is done. Even if the South was right on every other issue, objectively I would think people would agree the South was wrong on two points.: Slavery and to engage in an armed rebellion.

    • kikz

      funny how all the arms mfgs are recently moving to the south….

  • Luca

    Slavery in the North was a drop in the bucket compared to the South and was mostly phased out by the end the late 1700’s and early 1800’s. It’s an insignificant fact that has no bearing on the South going to war.

    • kikz

      I’m not disputing numbers, that would be daft.. Your argument stressed a ‘distinct difference’, however, the condition was a commonality to both. It’s quite a significant fact, as the North later ironically and hypocritically used it as moral bludgeon. According to Lincoln, abolishing slavery as an institution on moral grounds was not at issue on his radar until quite late after he’d declared war against the South for non-payment of tariffs, which btw, had not been used to support Southern infrastructure since roughly the 1820’s, (increasing exponentially by well over 35%) as law prescribed, but solely financed Northern infrastructure, and came in quite handy for Lincoln’s Railroad, following the panic of ’57 when his railroad baron backers to which he had been lackey lawyer for loss their asses. Only later was black chattel slavery picked up as moral banner by the North. Not all Southerners owned slaves, so that, logically can not be used as inferred casus belli in effort to, as you say ‘preserve (it) slavery with violence’ ..to fight/die for by non-slave holder Southerners. At issue for all Southerners was demand of payment of exorbitant tariffs (affecting all) to the Fed/Lincoln on point of invasion. Reinforcing troops at Sumter, was seen as Lincoln’s inaugural threat of invasion realized. Extortion and invasion were common cause that united Southerners, slave holding/non to fight/die. Adding to Lincoln’s hypocritical conveniences, his ‘secession as treason’ bs looks rather flimsy as since the country’s voluntary inception secession was threatened by many Northern states as well, so I guess it’s only treason, requiring an armed response by the righteous Fed to stop treason when Southerners do it on point of probable invasion?

  • BonV.Vant

    The secession of the south was aimed to preserve an agricultural way of life. It was to allow the planters to buy manufactured goods from Europe and avoid the tariffs of the north on those items. In the end, it was doomed to fail. An agricultural country could not win an extended war with an industrial country. The situation today is not the same thing at all. The secessionists aim is to free themselves from supporting a parasitical welfare system that is largely based on race. A parasitical nation can not wage a sustained war against a nation that it is dependent on.

  • BonV.Vant

    From the municipal level, the the state level, to the national level we are seeing a trend secession. What is happening is that some parts of states , such as Colorado and California, are agitating for secession from those states. We also have areas of municipalities trying to separate from cities in order to lift the redistributive tax burdens from themselves. This trend is more than likely going to increase. The more areas that break away, the heavier the burden falls on those areas that are left. IT is a process that is logically bound to accelerate once it starts. In the end what we will have is that the areas that have broken away will try to coalesce into a unified territory, or they will accomplish a takeover of the whole US. The established interests and elites are failing, they are running things into the ground and they can not continue for much longer. The road that the present US government is on is the road that Detroit travelled down.

  • scutum

    This is the first salvo in what will become the beginning of the end of the American Empire. It will eventually lead to the break up of what we call the Unitted States.

  • Truth Teller

    Tom B. is absolutely right about reconstruction and its effects, 100 years of poverty and malnutrition. Liberals hate White southerners. Labor histories have some excellent information about the conditions in southern factories and mines which were owned by northern and European companies. Even the old movie about Huey Long tells the reality of what the north did to the south after the war and how long the recovery took.
    On the subject of rape I am an extreme feminazi. So Nathan B. Forrest and his anti rape organization has always been my hero. There are only 2 ways to prevent rape. Kill rapists and instill fear of certain death in potential rapists. The southerners did it for 350 years. I hope they can do it again.

  • Truth Teller

    The southern nationalists are absolutely right about the military. Without the southern Whites it will deteriorate into a black brown single Mother ghetto. Note we have not won a war since the blacks service troops were integrated into the combat arms in 1948.

  • Truth Teller

    I read somewhere that Natchez Miss had more millionaires residing in the 1830’s and 1840’s than any other city in the world including China and India as well as Europe and the Americas.
    The confederate battle flag is the most beautiful in the world but not for its symbolism. It is beautiful because of its symmetry, the diagonal slashes forming an X and the colors.