With Stickers, a Petition and Even a Middle Name, Secession Fever Hits Texas

Manny Fernandez, New York Times, November 23, 2012

In the weeks since President Obama’s re-election, Republicans around the country have been wondering how to proceed. Some conservatives in Texas have been asking a far more pointed question: how to secede.

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Sales of bumper stickers reading “Secede” — one for $2, or three for $5 — have increased at TexasSecede.com. In East Texas, a Republican official sent out an e-mail newsletter saying it was time for Texas and Vermont to each “go her own way in peace” and sign a free-trade agreement among the states.

A petition calling for secession that was filed by a Texas man on a White House Web site has received tens of thousands of signatures, and the Obama administration must now issue a response. And Larry Scott Kilgore, a perennial Republican candidate from Arlington, a Dallas suburb, announced that he was running for governor in 2014 and would legally change his name to Larry Secede Kilgore, with Secede in capital letters. As his Web page,secedekilgore.com, puts it: “Secession! All other issues can be dealt with later.”

In Texas, talk of secession in recent years has steadily shifted to the center from the fringe right. It has emerged as an echo of the state Republican leadership’s anti-Washington, pro-Texas-sovereignty mantra on a variety of issues, including health care and environmental regulations. {snip}

But for other proponents of secession and its sister ideology, Texas nationalism — a focus of the Texas Nationalist Movement and other groups that want the state to become an independent nation, as it was in the 1830s and 1840s — it is a far more serious matter.

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The secession movement in Texas is divergent, with differences in goals and tactics. One group, the Republic of Texas, says that secession is unnecessary because, it claims, Texas is an independent nation that was illegally annexed by the United States in 1845. (The group’s leader and other followers waged a weeklong standoff with the Texas Rangers in 1997 that left one of its members dead.) Mr. Kilgore, the candidate who is changing his middle name, said he had not signed the White House petition because he did not believe that Texans needed to ask Washington for permission to leave.

“Our economy is about 30 percent larger than that of Australia,” said Mr. Kilgore, 48, a telecommunications contractor. {snip}

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  • Anon

    A few points.

    1. This has nothing to do with republicans or conservatives. Conservatives, socially and republicans, politically, have a 100% unbroken track record of betraying whites to the point of allowing, even inviting genocide. They have NO place whatsoever in whatever comes next…..unless its at the end of a rope for treason.

    Democrats are worse, today, making the GOP the lesser of two evils (but still evil) and the term liberal, literally means anti-Christian, with an emphasis on anti-white genocide. However, it wasn’t always so. The democratic party used to be, unabashedly, the political party of the white man. And liberals may be the devil (literal satan worshipers) but it was conservatives that infiltrated Christianity and taught the evil ideology that white supremacy was somehow sinful (so what if every noble thing about the world stems from white culture dominating degenerate non-white cultures and stopping various heinous acts they commit unless forced not to).

    2. Secession is about white people separating from non-whites because it has become quite clear that we are SLAVES under the current arrangement. It also is a realization that “democracy” is a scam. The word literally means, these days, communism for you, corporatism for the elites. It’s institutionalized theft built on murder, rape and every imaginable horror to keep us in line. Justice is just a word. And our laws are jokes written on toilet paper used by those who consider us little more than pets.

    Want to know if they are serious or just wasting words? See if they explicitly put it in white racial terms. That’s where the problem is. It’s where the solution is. And, make no mistake, American and world wide whites will ONLY get behind race as the basis for such a thing.

    3. Secession is not about Texas. It’s about the roughly 2/3 to 3/4 of the landmass of the US that is still white. However, were Texas to step up to the plate, all by themselves, they ensure both the military dominance and energy/industrial dominance of the new country over the old one. Civil War II would be won before it had a chance to start and the old state would be crippled as it loses access to its highway and other transcontinental transport system. Think about this. A new state with even more troops and heavy warfare machinery than the old one, energy independent while the old state has to import oil from the middle east and south america. The new state can easily and quickly move troops and equipment, anywhere along its interior and border. The old state no longer can. We control the center.

    4. Secession is also about demographic war. California wants unlimited mexican welfare/drug scum. Let them have that. After a few short decades, those areas can be ethnically cleansed of non-whites after they all look like detroit (more likely new orleans post katrina).

    5. Secession does not begin with some funny piece of paper or a few lame blog posts. It begins with universal refusal to pay federal taxes. That is the beginning. Weeks later, a new fiat currency is adopted and trade in the USD is made illegal. The final stage is enforcement of borders. Secession is complete when the first non-white is shot trying to hop the border.

    See any of THAT happening? Immediately hop in your car, leave everything behind and move there before the iron curtain goes up.

    • Bruins2013

      The Plan is out there. It is Called the Northwest Imperative. Check it out at Northwestfront.org

      • pecosbill

        I’ve read the Northwest novels and most of the proposed Republic constitution. After the 2012 white debacle, I’m thinking the NWR is the only viable solution at this point.

        What the NWR proponents count on is the U.S. will be so broke it won’t be able to send enforcers to keep the new republic from breaking away. When the FATPOs don’t receive their checks and benefits, they won’t be motivated to put their butts on the line.

        If it comes to a shooting war, the NVA will fight like the IRA did the British.

        I won’t get excited about secession movements until a state legislature passes a bill and the governor signs it. Then it’s legal and serious.

        • Bruins2013

          The United States will never allow a secession to take place just like they did’nt with the southern states in 1861. Only now the economic and demographic situation is much worse now. When the economy collapses we must be prepared and we are not even close at this ttime because we are too busy tapping on computer keyboards B’in instead of acting. We must act or we will cease to exist as a people. All racially aware white paople need to move to the Northwest and help Harold and the rest get this thing going. It is happening but just way too slow. We must act! Not talk about it, DO IT!

          • White_Prime77

            Some ask themselves: ‘What is the first step?’ Uncle Harold has answered: White People moving to the Northwest! Just pick up and do it!

          • Liberalsuck

            By that point the US will have no more money to stop nations breaking up. It takes money, soliders, morale and a will for an empire to keep functioning. Ours is losing more and more of those four things I mentioned.

        • Tucker

          “If it comes to a shooting war, the NVA will fight like the IRA did the British.”

          Better be careful, Pecos Bill. This kind of talk might cause the makers of viagra to file a patent related lawsuit, claiming that it threatens the future of their pharmaceutical product.

    • Son of Sambo

      “liberals (literal satan worshippers)”
      Heh. You actually believe that liberals are satan-worshippers, a la Anton LaVey? Your use of “literal” before “satan worshippers” seems to imply that is exactly what you mean. Then again, people use the word “literally” incorrectly all the time.

      • White_Prime77

        Saul Alinsky dedicated one of his books to Lucifer.

        Saul D. Alinsky
        A role model for left-wing Satanists

        http://theisticsatanism.com/politics/Alinsky.html

      • Persephone Grey

        Depends on your definition of Satan, doesn’t it? The principles liberals enshrine and to which they dedicate all their efforts are satanic, in my opinion. This can certainly be construed as “literal satan worship”.

  • ATBOTL

    This is exactly the kind of right wing tantrum that only serves as a distraction from the real issues. Texans elected on open borders, pro-illegals governor and an independent Texas would be demographically in worse shape than the country as a whole. Furthermore, none of these people are really serious about succession. It’s a misguided statement of frustration, that’s all.

    We need to be supporting openly nationalist candidates, parties and policies. Anything less than that is a waste of time. Especially in light of what’s happening in Europe, I can’t understand why whites in America can’t get past these useless, easily out maneuvered symbolic, crypto-nationalist gestures.

    • http://profiles.google.com/rebellionblog Mike Tuggle

      Problem is, DC is hell-bent on importing the Third World – that’s what the “Diversity Lottery” is all about. Secession is the only solution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1329938274 John S. Hardin

        If states do secede, they will need to determine who stays. If a state has a problem with certain groups of people regarding crime, etc., they may want to see about banishing them. Secession and keeping the problems that cause it, will be useless.

        • tickyul

          No, that would not be necessary. Just end all of the BS goodies that attract the dreck in the first place…..Baby Momma Bennies, Section 8, Feeding programs…etc, etc.

          • Tucker

            Black males would still hang around, so they can chase our White females.

            Same thing can be said about 99% of other non-white men – they may hate us, but they are all consumed with appropriating one of our women so they can use them for their carnal entertainment and amusement.

        • Tucker

          I wish to nominate John Engelman as the first face to be entered into the new White Ethnostate’s border security computer network’s facial recognition database, which will be used to help eliminate the possibility of any termites sneaking into our new White homeland, whereby they will once again begin their genetically driven subversive lust to undermine, poison, sow seeds of division, promote Cultural Marxist ideologies and subvert our new White nation in order to destroy it, like they have already destroyed America.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who want to secede are those who want to destroy America.

          • Tucker

            In the years when our 100 percent White European ancestors were busy taming, exploring, and building the nation that John Engelman’s gang have now destroyed, when a horse on the frontier suffered a broken leg, the cowboy shot it to put it out of it’s misery. When a dog came down with rabies and went mad – and, in it’s diseased and delusional state, posed a threat to anyone who crossed its path, it’s owner would put the dog down.

            I’d say that the vast majority of people who read and regularly post to AmRen would agree with me that this entity that was once called ‘America’ is exactly like that horse with a broken leg and/or that favorite dog who is afflicted with rabies. Destroying this third world alien infested garbage dump of a once great nation would be an act of mercy, Johnny boy.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the height of the anti war movement, and the new left I never heard a new left radical express the degree of hatred for the United States that you did in your post, Tucker.

      • ATBOTL

        How would secession help Texas when Texas is majority non-white and ruled by pro-Amnesty politicians?

        • William_JD

          Obviously, the franchise would be restricted.

          • JohnEngelman

            You won’t be able to do that without a civil war within Texas. It will be a race war too, and you can expect Mexicans in Mexico to help Hispanics in Texas.

          • IstvanIN

            Finally you said something I bet most of us can agree with. Mexico would no doubt intervene, although they are such a mess. There would be a race war, with Mexicans against whites and whatever they call native Texan Hispanics. I think the blacks would loot and run.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who think the division of the United States into smaller countries would solve anything are delusional.

            I have two things to say to those who think blacks will move when they no longer get welfare checks.

            First most blacks in red states are not on welfare.

            Second, I am reminded of what Howard Ruff wrote in “How to Prosper During the Coming Bad Years,” “I would not want to live within ten miles of Harlem when the welfare checks bounce.”

          • NM156

            The vast majority of Blacks in every state are receiving some form of welfare. Illegitimacy rates of 90% guarantee that they do. Those low-income grandmothers responsible for all those fatherless grandchildren must receive hundreds of billions each year in Earned Income Tax Credits and Low-Income Child Tax Credits, which have nothing at all to do with refunds and are in fact a form of welfare.

          • toldev

            It is important to remember that welfare statistics only count people who receive welfare benefits directly and their dependents. For example, a black man who shacks up with his girlfriend and her illegitimate children in section 8 housing is receiving welfare, albeit indirectly and off the books. This is also why it is common to see a welfare recipient driving a late model luxury car and with their hair and nails professionally done. Even a minimum wage job can buy a lot of luxuries when the government provides that person’s housing, utilities and groceries.

          • JohnEngelman

            The black illegitimacy rate is 72 percent. That is high and disgraceful, but get your facts straight.

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-struggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.ULSYPOTAe3k

            ———

            One in three food stamp households is headed by an African American. More than a third of food stamp benefits — over $10 billion per year — are issued to African-Americans. (According to Census data, African Americans make up about 12 percent of the U.S. population.)

            Nearly 9 million African Americans receive food stamps each month. This represents a quarter of the African American population.
            http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=193

          • MerlinV

            Isn’t affirmative action a form of welfare? You know, the kind where better qualified Whites are discriminated against because of their race and blacks are given special treatment based on theirs.

            If you count affirmative action as part of the shakedown of Whites then maybe 80% of blacks get some form of welfare.

            Just say’in.

          • JohnEngelman

            Until the civil rights legislation was signed blacks were usually not hired for professional positions even when they were more qualified than whites who were competing for those positions.

            President Wilson stopped the federal government from hiring blacks for professional positions, regardless of qualifications.

            My father worked for a government department as an economist. At his wake two black economists told me that they were the first black economists hired by that department, and that my father hired them and mentored them. They had PhD’s from two of the finest universities in the world. They earned them before the beginning of affirmative action.

          • Dan Reardon

            Engleman, Again, it’s your story tell it any way you want.

          • Liberalsuck

            So? What’s your point? Trying to justify anti-white bigotry just because what some white person did to them in the past? Your thinking is why whites like us go to sites like this. We are tired of the double standards.

          • Dan Reardon

            Engleman, Nearly one third of Black males are involved in the criminal justice system whether it be in prison, jail or on probation/parole. This should also be counted. You need to get your facts straight.

          • JohnEngelman

            Nearly one in three (32%) black males in the age group 20-29 is under some form of criminal justice supervision on any given day — either in prison or jail, or on probation or parole.
            http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_crisisoftheyoung.pdf

            What you say is true, but you should have documented your assertion up front.

            So what are you going to do with them? The states where secession is most popular are the states with the highest percentages of blacks.

          • Dan Reardon

            Engleman, I don’t have to document anything. You’re the one who comes to this site and constantly spouts off nonsense.

          • Liberalsuck

            I imagine those states there would take care of them once they were under their own jurisdiction.

          • Liberalsuck

            Yes, but they are in prison because of “racism” (sarcasm)

          • i am

            “First most blacks in red states are not on welfare.”

            They have non-productive government jobs. That is still welfare in my book especially when you consider they make more money and get more benefits than most working people.

          • ed91

            I disagree with the first sentence
            other than that I agree with the assessment of gov. jobs

          • Liberalsuck

            If the US were to break up into smaller countries, the whites in those independent states wouldn’t be under any ‘hate crime’ laws or ‘anti discrimination’ laws anymore that would prevent them from walling themselves off from blacks. Not only that, but those whites in such a case would respond violently against blacks since there wouldn’t be any criminal or legal repercussions for their actions. They wouldn’t wonder, “Oh, no, I better not shoot those Bloods/Cryps trying to rape my wife and daughter…”

          • refocus

            If ever there is a civil war here… it will not last long.

            Do the numbers… millions will be killed every day… by the end of the month everyone will be dead.

            Civil war is a hopeless dead end.

            Nationalism and racial separation is the only solution.

            But its rasis…

          • Liberalsuck

            In such a scenario, it would probably be a race war with blacks vs. mexicans (as they are fighting each other wherever they live side by side) and the white cowboy types in Texas, assuming they seceded and were free to do as they wished, wouldn’t fear anti discrimination laws or ‘hate crime’ laws to stop them. It would not be pretty at all!

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Yes, but we have nuclear weapons.

            I will never imagine for one minute that the Mexican army will not fight on US soil. I also never imagine that we will not use hydrogen bombs. Nobody has had an atomic civil war before; this should be interesting.

          • JohnEngelman

            Secession is such a stupid fantasy I hesitate to bother with it. Nevertheless, if any state looks like it is going to vote to secede the U.S. military will confiscate or deactivate any nuclear bombs in that state.

          • ATBOTL

            But if we could do that in Texas, why not the whole country? Texas is infertile ground compared to many other states for this.

            All the succession talk is baloney. No one is going to do anything about it anytime soon.

            Let’s get out of fantasy land and live in the real world.

            if you can’t even get a pro-white candidate on the ballot in TX, how are you going to succeed from the Union?

      • Frank

        Secession is not the only solution. Revolution is still an option.

  • rogue18

    I would love to see secession, but I really don’t see it happening because the establishments of both political parties will oppose it and there are simply too many non-whites, liberals, moderates, and patriotards who can vote. Texas may still be a reliable GOP state for now but supporting secession is very different from voting for anti-white GOP candidates.

    The only way to escape the USA is for the country to collapse like Rome before it turns into South Africa. There is no political solution.

    • Liberalsuck

      That’s just it. True change comes from the will of the people; not political figures.

      • JohnEngelman

        Residents of all 50 states have filed online petitions to secede from the United States, as part of the White House website’s “We the People” program. But aHuffPost/YouGov poll, released Friday, found that most Americans don’t embrace their own state severing ties with the nation. Over half opposed seeing their state secede, with 42 percent strongly opposing the idea, while 22 percent said they supported the idea.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/secession-poll_n_2147048.html

  • FourFooted_Messiah

    Meh. welcome to the Canadian experience, where we have Quebec jockeying for independance every once in a while. Alberta independance is seen as a joke.

    Yet we had to pay for Sikh terrorism involving Sikh Punjabi independence, which is something no Canadian, franco or anglo, gives two damns about. Have fun, my friends.

    .

  • [email protected]

    The way I look at things, I’ve already seceded. I pay taxes, but otherwise go my own way. I will never help a federal employee or any group of them. Whenever I’m around them i make my hatred for them very apparent. for me there is only the Constitution and the fedgov is and has been in violation of the constitution for years. I assure everyone here, if I were a younger man, I’d not be just talking/writing.

    • ATBOTL

      Again, you are focusing on things that are minor side issues at best. Federal employees did not open America’s borders to the third world. Big business, the media, Christian churches and politicians(including Reagan and other conservative heroes) did. Being rude to government workers accomplishes nothing at all.

      Right wing/conservative/libertarian/fundamentalist crankery is what’s holding America back from having a large, serious, openly pro-white and politically influential nationalist movement like many European countries have.

      We have a situation in France where a Jewish center right leader is talking about race like here was David Duke. That only happened because the FN is consistently getting 15-20% of the vote.

      America is the only Western country where nationalists have almost entirely tried to work within the mainstream center right, and it’s been a total disaster.

      We need to stop being distracted by proxy issues. Stop believing that politicians who would never dream of reducing immigration are secretly on our side because they don’t like unions.

      As for your last silly comment, we’ve heard so much of this talk over the years and it’s just talk. What are you telling us, that if you were younger you would beat up the mail man and that would somehow save the white race? Please.

      • [email protected]

        Sir, Fedgov workers are just as guilty as the legislative, executive and judicial officials who make, fund and ajudicate these stinking anti-Constitutional laws.
        The only way there’ll be a White nationalist group will be when hostilities actually begin.
        As far as duke is concerned, I think of him as just another guy making a living at being a White Nationalist. I don’t take him seriously. Maybe I’m too harsh. We’ll just have to wait and see on him. If he stands with us (if I’m still alive when the minorities go stark raving mad and finally come after us 100%).
        You’re right, we shouldn’t have been hoodwinked into thinking these bums were going to ever do anything for us.
        I don’t beat up anyone who doesn’t come after me. But I am as insulting as I can be to any fedgov “worker” who comes near me. My wife says I can never go to an airport with her again.

        • IstvanIN

          Government workers don’t make the rules, you are being unfair. Rather like getting all rude to the customer service girl at Target because she can not accept your return item. She doesn’t make the rules, she merely has to follow them.

          • [email protected]

            Yes, I am being “unfair.” The world is “unfair” and so am I.

          • IstvanIN

            yeah, blame the clerk at the SSA office, not the politicians who make the rules. Makes sense.

          • [email protected]

            If the clerk is “working” there, then he/she is our enemy too.

        • Tucker

          I am no big fan of the vast majority of Federal Employees – and I especially detest the branches of the various law enforcement agencies and/or any group who are in any way connected to this USSR, Soviet-style Police State that our evil ruling elites are creating.

          However, having said that – I will flatly state that I harbor nothing but the highest degree of contempt for any White man or woman who spouts this kind of mentally insane, blind hatred for ALL federal employees – primarily, because there are still substantial numbers of them who are White and who do not work at any of the totalitarian agencies that I cited previously.

          Would handyandy2 prefer to have every single federal and state employment position to be filled with a non-white? Does handyandy2 realize that this is the objective of the virulently anti-White Cultural Marxist aliens who have hijacked the USA – to weed out and purge as many ‘White males’ as possible from every government agency and to replace them with his racial enemies?

          Does handyandy2 think that once this objective has been reached – that the 200 million or so White European people here in America will then have a government that is completely controlled and dominated by non-whites who hate their guts – and does handyandy2 think this situation will somehow be an improvement in the lives of Whites who are racially healthy and racially conscious?

          Listen up, White people. This is the kind of irrational, short term, non-tactical, non-strategic, juvenile thinking that has gotten our race in the mess we find ourselves in today.

          Let’s make sure that handyandy2 and anyone else who exhibits these kinds of defective thinking traits are not permitted to hold any position of responsibility in our new White Ethnostate.

          • JohnEngelman

            There will not be a “new White Ethnostate.” Those who dislike the sight and sound of those who look and sound different from them have nowhere to go. The whitest states and the whitest countries are the most liberal.

            American liberals will be comfortable in any affluent democracy in the world. American reactionaries have nowhere to go. No other country shares their values. No other country wants them.

          • i am

            “American reactionaries have nowhere to go.”

            But they can still bomb Iran to make themselves feel better.

          • JohnEngelman

            And they can dream of white only sections of the country that will never be established. What is ironic is that the whitest states in the United States, and the whitest countries in the world are also the most liberal. They will not be welcome there.

          • Tucker

            Would you be willing to try to put me in the ground to prevent it?

            Or, would you be willing to volunteer to risk a similar geographic relocation
            to make your prediction: “There will not be a new White Ethnostate” have a chance of coming true, Mr. Engelman?

            Are you conscious of the fact that reading or listening to the kind of arrogant, leftist blather that you tend to spout only serves to increase the degree of determination and passion – not to mention the adrenaline levels – of the race of humans that you and your gang have lusted to exterminate for so many thousands of years?

            Keep it coming, Johnny.

          • JohnEngelman

            A higher level of adrenaline is a poor substitute for a larger number of neurons, and more complex neuronal connections.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Your statement that we have no place to go was a very bad mistake, as the last thing in the whole world you want to do is leave us with no hope.

          • Liberalsuck

            Never say ‘never’ my liberal ‘friend’

          • [email protected]

            Sir, you’re thinking shows you have no idea what’s coming. A total bloodletting and you’re still caught up in thinking that’s going to hurt many of our people. There is no way to stop what’s before us. We should understand who is with us and who will be against us. These people who’re still playing games with fedgov jobs will line up against us 100% and will have to be dealt with just as if they’re minorities. There isn’t goig to be any fedgov when we get done.

      • i am

        “As for your last silly comment, we’ve heard so much of this talk over
        the years and it’s just talk. What are you telling us, that if you were
        younger you would beat up the mail man and that would somehow save the
        white race? Please.”

        Sounds like Ted Nugent. See ~ @ 1:40 minutes on the video posted below

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=06XVt6zEr9E#!

        I hear a lot from tough guys, but they never do anything. You can almost guarantee that if someone says they are going to do something, they won’t do a thing.

  • IstvanIN

    Session is merely another term for self-determination, something everyone but white folks are allowed to have.

  • http://twitter.com/AgentAxis D.B. Cooper

    I live Texas. Those bumper stickers are quite rare. there are also too many nontexans living here, so it’s no going to happen. If Texas does secede, then what? It’s still an open border with Mexico, plenty of affirmative action, and other problems that will still plague the Lone Star State.

    • William_JD

      I don’t think it’s going to happen, either, but things like affirmative action are all imposed from the outside. There would be no AA in an independent Texas.

      • tickyul

        Haha, Texas will be blue in 8-10 years at the rate it is going…..Hispanics and illegals are packing the state.

    • NM156

      Aren’t white Texans already the majority minority? Even if not, white TX school kids are, in fact, the minority in the TX school system.

      • IanJMacDonald

        Non-Hispanic whites comprise 45.3% of the population of Texas.

        • Liberalsuck

          Maybe if Texas seceded, the whites enclaves would further break up Texas for whites only. We don’t know the future.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    As much as I would hate to see Texas, the state of my birth and of my fathers bloodline since the 1850s change shape I believe Texas has a unique option nobody has since yet mentioned. Texas, when it joined the US had a special provision that Texas… at anytime in the future, if it so pleased could breakup into either four or five separate states.
    Now secession is all well and good but the current demographics of Texas are a problem. But if Texas were to breakup into say four states the productive, first world texas could separate from the highly third world extreme south of current Texas.
    First breakup Texas so the first world Texas wouldn’t be stuck with the third world parts, then with an overwhelming agreeable majority (and minus the Austin liberals too, they can be their own state also or be overrun by the hordes if they wish) the move for secession could go forward to carve a future without the trappings of the third world hordes, the self loathing progressives or anti-white Washington DC.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      Well, I always understood texas has the right to break up into five consituencies (as I understand the term). But tezas’ condition is the problem olf the US, and no other state. While I can sympathise, I know I have no real dog in such fight.

      If Texans ASK me,. as a free Albetran, for my help. I may well grant it. I nm not obligrated in any wsay to help you, but if I see your cause as just then yes, I wil back you.

      • i am

        Hotel Texas: You can check out anytime, but you can never secede.

    • MikeofAges

      As an issue of legal theory, Texas may have lost this right when it seceded and was later readmitted. Don’t know. Maybe no one knows, but there would be an argument. Maybe all the megastates should be broken up. New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, California.

    • i am

      If Texas were to break off and become its own country, you can bet that the CIA would be the first group to start “rebel” actions against the newly formed WHITE government. The country would quickly collapse and a new puppet government would be set up that would see the wonders of diversity and communism.

  • mike

    How ironical: Texas the original home of the illegal problem now wanting to secede. Hope they are successful and keep their illegals to themselves.

    • William_JD

      Wow – talk about ignorant! Texas tried to keep illegals out, and the national government required Texas to treat illegals like citizens. Guess you never heard of Plyler v. Doe.

  • WHITE DAWN

    There will be no peaceful resolution to any of the problems facing the White Race.

    Masters don’t let their slaves go. We are the slaves.

    The solution will be non-peaceful and will require a lot of pain. Why? Because humans are stupid and the ability to see a peaceful resolution is rare.

    None of us know the specific outcome. None of know how it will end, but we know between now and the end there will be much strife and harm to all sides.

    So, it is best to mentally prepare yourself and your children. Our children will have to fight and die if they don’t want to be exterminated. The White Race is hated by all other groups but until we are exterminated these others will do whatever it takes to live around us. They need us. They know it and that is why they hate us.

    The future will be ugly.

    • Dom

      You are idiots. And deserve to lose. Grow some balls. Your ancestors had them in abundance.

  • JohnEngelman

    Non Hispanic whites in Texas are 45.3 percent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas

    I am fairly confident that nearly every one else is opposed to succession, and that most white Texans are.

    • Wayne

      Which is why it will probably come to bloodshed. Democracy is a sham when applied with open boarders…worse actually, it’s ethnic and racial suicide.

    • libertarian1234

      “I am fairly confident that nearly every one else is opposed to succession, (sic) and that most white Texans are. ”

      Ah, but not for long.

      Not for long.

  • JohnEngelman

    Voice of America November 21, 2012

    HOUSTON, TEXAS — Americans in several states have filed petitions on the White House web site calling for their states to secede from the Union. The online petition that has garnered the most signatures comes from Texas and was posted three days after President Obama’s re-election. But most Texans do not take the idea of secession seriously…

    Comments

    November 26, 2012 5:53 AM
    Just think what General Sherman could do with drones! He could have ended the secessionist BS in one day!!
    by: Cole Younger from: Kansas City

    November 25, 2012 4:22 PM
    Where were all these people that stand for truth justice and the American way that we lost when G.W. Bush stole the election and his crook brother helped. that was OK wasn’t it. Now they don’t like the outcome of a honest election. Tuff it up.
    by: Gill Bates from: NY

    November 24, 2012 12:39 PM
    IIf Texas DOES secede – the federal government will have more money and Democrats will have a lock on the electoral college.
    by: Larry Linn from: Los Angeles

    November 24, 2012 9:46 AM
    Succession by Texas has already been rejected by the United States Supreme Court, Texas v. White – 74 U.S. 700 (1868).
    by: TrueAmerican56 from: TEXAS

    November 24, 2012 2:39 AM
    Anyone that thinks Texas would secede, needs their head examined, Texas is not a one mind state, South Texas would secede from the rest of Texas, and Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, El Paso would never go along with it. It was a dumb idea that ended at the end of the Civil War, and should be left as such. Don’t like the Federal government, each state has 2, 4 or 6 years to change it.
    by: Russell Utoft

    November 24, 2012 1:43 AM
    The sad thing here we as a nation celebrate the 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, We honor the ones that gave there life for this great country to be as one. Were would we be if America was not one nation under God. I know one thing we all just might be under the iron fist of the USSR. Or even worse the iron cross of Nazi Germany. Now some of those people in tha State of Texas have come down off there high horse and see just what fools they are making of there state. Here is a state that as much if not more depend on Washingtion for a living. Thousands of famlies. Austin, San Antonion, two wonderful cities have made it clear. Keep it up and we want out of Texas. Brake up Texas. Were are the Bushes on this? I know W is no were to be seen sence he left the white house. No it is sad what these people are doing to the parents of the loved ones that died for this great country. Oh you say you do not like the direction the country is going. So like little babies you went to quit and go home. Well there some that see direction as just fine. You always think I,I,I, ME, ME, ME. Well I think Texas is going in the wrong direction and if this keeps up I will never set foot on a traitor state again. If i know my Governor he will put a boycot on the state. I wonder how the big business men would like that. But the sadest thing of all is the dishonor, the disgrace to all those great men and women that are now buried in Arlington National Cemetery in VA. It just stinks!!!
    by: Buck Mast from: Tennessee

    November 24, 2012 12:13 AM
    Save your Confederate money boys,the South is going to rise again
    by: Sam from: California

    November 23, 2012 11:58 PM
    Only two words… Good Riddance!

    http://www.voanews.com/content/secession-texas/1550830.html

    • Wayne

      Buck Mast needs to realize that the vast majority of those men lying at Arlington and throughout this land are White men and would never have died had they known their very posterity would wind up 2nd class citizens and hated minorities in the very nation they spilled blood for. No sir, they did not die so we could have sodomy, abortion on demand, and give our country to turd world immigrants. No, Sir! It is BECAUSE those at Arlington are our ancestors and their memory should no be profaned by this sick government that we must separate.

      • i am

        In 100 years, Arlington will become a shopping mall. The soldiers buried there will just have to find someplace else to rest.

    • pecosbill

      Were would we be if America was not one nation under God. I know one
      thing we all just might be under the iron fist of the USSR. Or even
      worse the iron cross of Nazi Germany.

      How in the hell could Hitler get across the Atlantic to the US when he couldn’t even get across the English Channel?

      Had FDR not helped save Stalin we would not have had to worry about a USSR.

      G.W. Bush stole the election and his crook brother helped. that was OK wasn’t it.

      Sorry, it was JFK who stole his election.

      Cliches, Chestnuts, and formula, nothing else.

    • libertarian1234

      Ah, but that’s a bit short-sighted. It will take a while for the restless natives to get used to the idea.

      The seeds of today have been planted, and we are now in the growing stage.

      What seems like not a good idea now, will very likely be a life-saver thrown to the citizens as the economy continues to worsen by tomorrow, and they will grab hold for dear life or drown.

      Morgan Stanley just came out with their prediction of zero growth for the next twenty years or so, which is the most optimistic of all the economic prognosticators who are worth their salt like Celente, Schiff, Roubini, Faber, Ferguson, Keiser, et al, who all forecast SEVERE depression, which is in the initial stages right now.

      Secession will not occur first. Austerity riots will be the starting gun. Then inter-tribal clashes will develop. Then civil conflict. The fantasies of a rainbow utopia will be crushed forever.

      Secession will be demanded and granted as a condition of peace. And it will occur throughout the land, from sea to shining sea.

      • JohnEngelman

        If there is no growth in the United States, there will be economic decline in the divided states.

        Also, if most Americans conclude that economic growth is no longer possible, there will be more interest in economic redistribution. That will be one of several factors benefiting the Democrats.

        A second factor will be demographic changes.

        A third is the fact that those under 29 are more likely to favor socialism than capitalism.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/young-people-socialism_n_1175218.html

        • libertarian1234

          “Also, if most Americans conclude that economic growth is no longer possible, there will be more interest in economic redistribution.”

          Sorry, but the US needs to create 150,000 jobs per month to keep up with population growth. That isn’t possible without economic growth.

          Printing money…based on nothing….can’t be continued forever. In fact, we’re right on the edge at the present time of rampant inflation, which will get out of control as the debt to GDP increases horrifically, the US economy is downgraded, and the dollar falls in value.

          Right now, if the REAL unemployment figures were used, instead of a sanitized version, we would be at about 18% unemployment. A backlog of 150,000 jobs per month, plus job losses through a falling econmy, and we’re on the road to eventual dissolution.

          Millions of third world peons out of work with reduced or eliminated social benefits….along with out-of-work whites whose home values have fallen drastically……translates to riots in the streets and eventually armed civil conflict.

          And as I wrote above, “Secession will be demanded and granted as a condition of peace. And it will occur throughout the land, from sea to shining sea.”

          It isn’t possible to “spread the wealth” when there’s no wealth to spread.”
          How many times does socialism/communism/fascism have to fail before Marxists understand it won’t work?

          Is it a comprehension problem or an inability to learn?

          • JohnEngelman

            It isn’t possible to “spread the wealth” when there’s no wealth to spread.”

            - libertarian1234

            ———-

            Commerce Department data released today show that the share of national income going to wages and salaries in 2006 was at its lowest level on record with data going back to 1929.[1] The share of national income captured by corporate profits, in contrast, was at its highest level on record.[2]
            http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=634

            ———-

            Business Insider Jun. 22, 2012

            1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high…

            One reason corporations are so profitable is that they don’t employ as many Americans as they used to…

            3) Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. This is both cause and effect. One reason companies are so profitable is that they’re paying employees less than they ever have as a share of GDP. And that, in turn, is one reason the economy is so weak:
            http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-profits-just-hit-an-all-time-high-wages-just-hit-an-all-time-low-2012-6#ixzz25HHepYIq

            ———-

            The New York Times November 23, 2010

            American businesses earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion in the third quarter, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday. That is the highest figure recorded since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html

          • libertarian1234

            “American businesses earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion in the third quarter, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday.”

            Cutting jobs and foregoing growth will increase the bottom line……for a while. But the piper eventually has to be paid. Too, what appears today to the uninformed as proft is really just cost cutting measures.

            And while all this is going on, middle class wealth, which is what drives this economy, my Marxist advoate, not corporate profits so much, it is the middle class that are losing jobs, and their home values are still falling.

            As housing and jobs go, so goes the economy.

          • JohnEngelman

            I read Karl Marx for insight, rather than doctrine. Although socialism is becoming more popular in the United States, Marxism has not been fashionable since the War in Vietnam. Even then it’s appeal was limited to a minority of college students, college professors, and recent college students.

            Nevertheless, you seem to agree with me that America’s middle class is being impoverished, not by the government, but by a predatory corporate plutocracy. The only alternatives to big business are a bigger government, and stronger labor unions.

          • libertarian1234

            “Nevertheless, you seem to agree with me that America’s middle class is being impoverished, not by the government, but by a predatory corporate plutocracy. The only alternatives to big business are a bigger government, and stronger labor unions.”

            No, I did not agree with you. Far from it.

            But if you can’t understand what you read nor basic economic principles, it’s a waste of time debating you.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you think it is a waste of time debating me, why do you devote so much time to it? My opinions are fact based, debatable assertions.

          • libertarian1234

            JohnEngelman libertarian1234•2 hours ago

            “If you think it is a waste of time debating me, why do you devote so much time to it? My opinions are fact based, debatable assertions.

            LOL!

            You didn’t even comprehend THAT correctly.

            Your opinions are a circuitous, nonsensical, liberal rant, based in opnion- based opinions….not facts….or they’re facts that aren’t apropos to the issue at hand.

            Sorry, John.

          • i am

            “The only alternatives to big business are a bigger government, and stronger labor unions.”

            Sounds like Marxism.

            The only alternative to failure is more failure.

          • JohnEngelman

            One of several of Karl Marx’s mistakes was his assertion that after the Revolution the state would “wither away.”

          • Tucker

            I had a recent semi-argument with a White male friend of mine who apparently still drinks the Rush Scumbaugh Kool-Aid about how the top 1-2% of these filthy rich, treasonous CEO corporate and business elites need to be given huge tax breaks, because he still buys the lie that these fat cats will use the savings from those tax breaks to expand their businesses and create jobs for Americans.

            I’ll admit that a few decades ago, I also thought that argument made good sense. However, when we examine what has happened and when we study the data, what we see is a track record of non-stop treason by those greedy CEO’s and corporate fat cats. So, in essence, Rush Scumbaugh and his ilk merely helped pull the wool over on the entire White conservative minded based of the traditional GOP. Here’s what happened: When we went along with those tax breaks for these clowns, what they actually did with the money they saved – was to finance the off-shoring of their factories, plants and businesses to various third world, slave-labor countries. They also began to initiate outsourcing schemes which sent millions of good paying middle class jobs, most of which had previously been held by White European men and women – to the third world. Oh, to add even more frosting on the treason cake – these corporate CEO’s used a portion of those tax break savings to bribe the sleazy politicians inside our own Congress to increase H1B-Visas, so they could import millions of third world Indians or Pakistanis or whoever, who would be forced to work at rock bottom salaries and few, if any, benefits. The American workers, in many cases, were forced to train these H1B-Visa people on how to do their jobs and then they were issued a pink slip, while the H1B-Visa foreigner became their replacement.

            Hence, since the November 6th election defeat for the GOP – there has been a preponderance of phony and disingenuous head-scratching and pontificating coming from the corrupt GOP establishment circles, and all of these clowns are pretending to be baffled by the 2 or 3 million White conservatives who stayed home, as well as expressing their ‘alarm’ over the 30 million Whites who voted for the Communist-Gun-Smuggler-in-Chief.

            Here’s the real ugly truth, GOP Establishment: Your party has done nothing but commit treason against, and wage a full scale, openly declared war on the White working class in this country. Dole, Gingrich, and Clinton – were all dancing and celebrating when NAFTA was passed – and so was Rush Scumbaugh – and that was the piece of legislation that signaled the beginning of the end for the GOP, because it accomplished exactly what Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan and Adrian Krieg and countless others loudly and profusely predicted it would – the Great Sucking Sound of millions of good paying middle class jobs being sent to the third world, all so your greedy, treasonous, fat cat corporate buddies could enrich themselves and their well-connected friends, without any regard whatsoever as to the enormous damage it would do to America and to their fellow citizens.

            Thus, I say, it is time to teach the top 1-2% a lesson about what the consequences need to be for committing treason against your own nation. I say, bend these rats over and sock it to them on tax day.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is true. Rich people do not hire people when they have more money. They hire people when they have more customers, even if they have to borrow money to do it. Cutting taxes for the rich and expecting them to expand hiring is like pushing on a string.

  • http://www.newnation.org/ sbuffalonative

    As with minorities, the left doesn’t like us but they demand to be around us. They claim we make their life miserable but they won’t let us leave and live in peace.

    Frankly, I don’t understand why the left doesn’t demand we leave so they can create the liberal Utopia they claim we deny them. If we were gone, they could run everything their way.

    While this won’t happen in my life time the seeds have been planted and God willing will take root.

    • Liberalsuck

      The white liberals and hateful nonwhites don’t want us ‘racist white conservatives’ to leave, because they need our money and they need someone around that they can feel morally superior to.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3XTEYGEGMJI7R5ELG67HUDFT5M Connor

    Along the current road we are traveling secession is only a matter of time and inevitable. Of course things can change direction like a financial/societal collapse etc. But if something doesn’t bump the direction in the end Rural White states must either secede or die.

    If it is moved on sooner rather than later the better chance those states have. The longer they wait the more the odds stack against them.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    I love my country, but I hate my government, and if I could leave, I would.

    I would like to be able to go shooting my 1990′s handloads through my old rifles on weekends.

    Perhaps someday.

  • NM156

    Secede for what? A return to Mexico? Texans are cluess dopes who put Señor Boosh in office and will hilariously push for his brother Jeb to occupy the White House in 2016. Texas, like CA, will be a Third World country in less than a generation. What would these secessionists do with tens of millions of Mexicans cut off from US govt. support?

    • JohnEngelman

      That’s the problem secessionists face everywhere. States where secessionism is most popular are states where non whites are most present. The non whites will not disappear. They will not submit to second class citizenship, deportation, or extermination.

      The minority of these non whites who are on welfare make me think of what Howard Ruff wrote in “How to Prosper During the Coming Bad Years,” “I would not want to live within ten miles of Harlem when the welfare checks bounce.”

      • Tucker

        Engelman has made an excellent, and very true observation. And, I’m hoping that others have noticed, as I have, that Engelman neglects to delve into how this state of delusion and confusion about the realities of race and the vast differences in racial temperament, behavior, parasitism, proclivity towards criminal behavior and predisposition towards acts of random violence managed to infect the naive brains of the vast numbers of our fellow Whites, who are fortunate enough to live in states that are overwhelmingly white.

        Hint: It has everything to do with who owns and controls our mass media of news and entertainment.

        Perhaps this is a good time to revisit a quote that I ran across again just recently?

        “I know the secret of making the average American believe anything I
        want him to. Just let me control television. Americans are wired into their
        television sets. Over the last 30 years, they have come to look at their
        television sets and the images on the screen as reality. You put something on
        television and it becomes reality. If the world outside the television set
        contradicts the images, people start changing the world to make it more like
        the images and sounds of their television. Because its influence is so great,
        so pervasive, it has become part of our lives. You lose your sense of what is
        being done to you, but your mind is being shaped and molded.” -Hal Becker, Futures Group think-tank veteran

        This is how Whites in those majority White populated states have been brainwashed to think that all blacks fit the artificial, Hollywood-manufactured and deliberately deceptive profile that they were shown on the Cosby Family sit-com.

        Thus, the solution becomes very clear. The media must be taken away from it’s current owners. but, until such a time as that objective can be achieved – alternative pro-White, White race realism oriented media must continue to be developed and made available to our people.

        Once a sufficient and overwhelming majority of White men, women, and children have been reached by our pro-White, White race realist message – I am fairly confident that their brainwashing can be reversed. The Cultural Marxist White genocide promoters understand this point as well, which is why they work so very hard to prevent any major TV network or Hollywood production studio from being bought by anyone who is not of their tribe.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          We don’t watch TV because it is poisonous.

  • negrolocaust

    best Michael savage tonight ever if you missed it i think a guy redcorvettete2013 reposts them on yt. he slammed candi crowley “name does not fit her”. great. name does not fit her at all. i love it

  • negrolocaust

    where my comment?

  • Annis

    We need proper leadership. What will Texas stand for if it does leave the Union? Will they get rid of non Whites? Texas is a state where Whites are a minority. So what good will it do to leave the Union if there is no leadership for White people? No effort to get rid of Hispanics?

    Do we seriously believe that we have in place leaders who can deal with all the problems that will be faced? Don’t we need our leaders to get on top of this – in case some states do manage to secede? Don’t we need to plan ahead and get leaders into position? Do we have any efforts toward grooming young people for leadership? Perhaps Youth For Western Civilization could be a starting point, but we desperately need to do something and not leave these things to chance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ross.kardon Ross Kardon

    The only possible way Texas and Vermont could successfully secede from the Union is if Texas and Vermont could form a military alliance with a powerful foreign nation like Great Britain, France, China, or Russia.. Otherwise, the federal goverment is simply too powerful for any state to secede on it’s own. There are historical examples to back up what I am saying.

    Only one third of the colonists supported the Patriot side for the American colonies to secede from the British Empire, one third did what they could to remain neutral, and the one third of the colonists were Loyalists. It often was the case where you could be serving in the Continental Army under George Washington, and your own brother, father, or son could be serving in a colonial Loyalist regiment, or even the British Army itself.

    If Benjamin Franklin had not been able to convince France to send military foreign aid to the Patriot side in Revolutionary War, we would all be British subjects today.

    While 900.000 Southern men fought for the Confederacy, 100,000 Southern men fought for the Union. Northern Alabama and eastern Tennesse were regions of the Southerners loyal to the Union.

    The reason the Confederate side was doomed to eventually fail is because the South had no industries, and no foreign nation would send it’s navy to fight the Union blockade and send military foreign aid to the Confederacy. Many neo-Confederates, including black neo-Confederates who gladly fly the Confederate flag, claim the American Civil was fought over state’s rights, not slavery. However, it was because of slavery that neither Great Britain, nor any other nation would send foreign military aid to the Confederacy.

    Maybe it is because I am a Yankee Northerner that I think secession for any state is not a solution for any economic, too much goverment control, or any other problems a state may be having. And that I agree with Abraham Lincoln our Union must always be kept together.

    I am for the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, I think our embargo against Cuba should be lifted, I think marijuana, opium. peyote and cocaine should all be legalized, I think NBC, ABC, CBS, other non-cable networks should be legally allowed to show full frontal nudity on TV like in Europe, and I have other Libertarian views. However, I am opposed to secession or any other unlawful sedition against the United States of America.
    The real solution is to be loyal citizens of the United States and legally work from within for the changes we want from our goverment. After all, such positive changes for America as women’s sufferage, sufferage for 18 year olds, the end of the active military draft, and the repeal of Prohibitio,n all happened through peaceful, legal means.
    The recent referendums for the leglization of marijuana for recreational use, in the states of Washington and Colorado, are examples of peaceful, legal steps in the right direction.

  • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

    Interesting piece, interesting comment section (albeit predictable).

    I figure,if enough Texans want to secede to make it politically viable, do it. Some here point out that it would be an abysmal failure. Irrelevant. If Texas cannot stand on her own, let her fall. She wouldn’t be anyone else’s problem at that point. The only real reasons I can see for anyone to favor forcibly preventing them from seceding (or an individual from expatriating, for that matter) would be to take from them or simply exert dominance over them. I oppose either.

    Still, the whole notion of petitioning the federal government to allow them to secede seems rather retarded to me. Secession is one of those things you either do or you don’t. Asking the feds for permission to leave is like asking Tony Soprano to let you out of that little “arrangement” you had with him,now that you no longer need his services.

  • Luca

    Secession cannot happen peacefully. If it happened on less than peaceful terms it would fail even more dramatically. To secede as an all-white state is even far more delusional and bound for greater failure than anything else I could ever imagine. It would be more difficult than re-instituting Apartheid in SA. The only real step of any consequence that like-minded people can take right now is if you live in a hopelessly Dem. State, move to a swing State (if you can) where your vote might matter. This only buys time but improves your quality of life. Later, if possible, a non-liberal State might be able to take control of criminals, taxes, illegals, welfare, etc., through special State legislation. I’m thinking of a State and legislature run by people like Sheriff Joe Arpaio or Ted Nugent. No bleeding hearts allowed.

  • Greg Thomas

    “Some conservatives in Texas have been asking a far more pointed question: how to secede.”
    Really….wouldn’t they have to get mexico’s permission first?

  • Michael_C_Scott

    Secession can happen peacefully, like when Czechoslovakia broke up. Unfortunately, the future of what is currently the United States is not Czechoslovakia, but a mega-Jugoslavia. Nobody has ever had a civil war with hydrogen bombs. As much as we hate each other, we’ll certainly use them.

    No sane person wants this, and peaceful secession from the Union is the way out.