Christians Stoned by Crowd in Dearbornistan

Jerry Philipson, American Thinker, June 27, 2012

At the 2012 Arab Festival in Dearborn a small group of Christians holding Christian signs was physically assaulted by a large group of Muslims with bottles, stones, glass, concrete and other objects; they were verbally assaulted too. The Christians had gathered peacefully and were perfectly within their rights to express themselves the way they did. Legally and constitutionally they had every right to be where they were and do what they were doing. They were attacked because their Muslim attackers didn’t like them or their message and in the end they were forced to leave for their own safety.

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  • Hirschibold

    Are these the Muslims who’ve made “valuable contributions” to the US Space program that Obama told us about? Perhaps they are. They certainly seem to have a keen grasp on projectiles and propulsion.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aunti-Occupy/100003232140389 Aunti Occupy

      Mamas tell your babies the police are not your friend.  

      The Union Thug Cops are joining in with Mob Rule just like they did in Madison Wisconsin when they rioted against Governor Walker.  

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/MarcusCMarcellus?feature=mhee She Was Kinda Hot

        If you could see the cops NYPD is hiring and unleashing on us, you’d stay awake at night. Angry blacks covered in tattoos, with dreadlocks; Muslim women with scarves; short, fat Hispanics with attitude…and a few of the Irish/Polish/Italian types.  The police are turning into the Camp of Saints quicker than people think.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          If you could see the cops NYPD is hiring and unleashing on us

           http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_troop_cop_5fbOC70hE3glgdEfjdma2N

          He talks about his “long ****.”  Their minds always default to that.  For that’s all they have to brag about.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/MarcusCMarcellus?feature=mhee She Was Kinda Hot

            Good God, I had not seen that – but it does not surprise me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ran-Kelvin/100000674993311 Ran Kelvin

          I was in a college class that had quite a few police. They were there on a program called LEAP. This was in 1980 during the horrible riot in Miami. Well it just so happened that the chief of police was taking the class also. After the riots, which were as bad as any in the 60s, the chief was telling us that the powers to be thought there weren’t enough minorities on the metro force so they began this massive media campaign to hire, yep more blacks. As the chief was telling us the story he added that many of the recruits that were drawn to join because of special wage incentives, were also caught on video tape looting and committing mayhem during the riots. Ignore it he was told.

          So many good police officers were in this educational program because they wanted out of Miami and the ticket was a fresh masters. I kept up with a few that were friends, most left to go to areas that were still mostly white in population. One of the fellows had served two tours in the Viet Nam war and came back without a scratch. He received a minor injury from a bullet ricochet.
          The politicians did this out of fear and appeasement.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    I could only watch the first five minutes of the video, then I had to stop to prevent me from screaming obsenities at the computer screen.
    How any “liberal” can think that multiculuralism is a good thing is totally beyond my comprehension!
    These little skirmishes are only the beginning of things…  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aunti-Occupy/100003232140389 Aunti Occupy

      The same thing happened in New Jersey two years ago.  The Mayor gave an anti-illegal alien speech while the police ran their sirens drowning him out.  The police would not allow anyone to attend the rally that had a permit, but hundreds of illegal aliens block streets chanting yet the police let them do it.  

      • The__Bobster

        That’s unusual. In most NJ towns, the Mayors give pro-invader speeches.

  • Mahound

    Although to be fair, these Christians showed up at a Mohammedan festival and started provoking the Mohammedans in order to get a reaction that could give them headline news.

    I’m not a fan of that backward cult, but the problem is the politicians who let this garbage into our country, not normal people who are celebrating their customs and culture in peace.

    • plinytheyounger

      “Unfortunately I think pro-Western conservative organizations and causes are being hijacked by folks with skewed interests.”

      Right on the money.  The question is who are those “folks”?

    • zimriel

      “normal people who are celebrating their customs and culture in peace”

      So it was a peaceful stoning.

      • Kurt Plummer

        I’m not religious in anyway, in fact I find religion to be a social control mechanism equating to the carrot side (conform and you’ll go to heaven which I promise you does exist!) of the equation dominated by the stick of state rule of law.

        OTOH, I don’t see the point in disrupting another religions planned celebration with megaphones and opposed dogma either.

        If you don’t like Muslims in your town, get rid of the Muslims.  Don’t -pretend- that the solution lies in debating their religious views by supplanting them with your own at volume, during their service.

        That’s hypocrisy (freedom of relgion is…) and cowardism (I won’t call you a backwoods savage that I don’t want around my kids, I will instead insist on debating how many crimes your -religion- is guilty of as opposed to just you.).

        Egads, I don’t care about all the dead Muslims that have butchered their way across history.  I care about the future of whites whose _present_ is the advanced society condition whose continuation we need to ensure.

        There is a reason why the Islamic states have contributed next to nothing to the sciences and arts in close to 1,200 years.  And it has nothing to do with who Allah is or isn’t.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           I agree with you, except that the count of dead Christianity has produced across the ages far exceeds the Muslims!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

      What you’re saying is:  Christians are not allowed to go out in Public as long as mudlims are there.

      muslims do not own America and they do not own any Public Property and they have NO RIGHT to attack Christians simply because they’re holding signs.

      It is people like you who make this is so much worse.  mudlims depend on your submission and you submit when you side with them via saying Christians “provoked” them.  mudlims do not own America or any piece, any piece of Public Property.

      That “festival” was not held in someone’s back yard, it was held on PUBLIC Property. 
      Look, you submit when you’re willing to walk on eggshells for them and that is exactly what you’re doing.  If mudlims don’t like signs, they need to be leaving this very Christian Country and go back to their Third World islam hell holes.  

      • Mahound

        I’m just saying that there’s well-funded folks out there who are trying to skew the race issues into being just a problem of Islam. That is to say that some organizations want to make us believe that if it wasn’t for that terrible cult of Islam then a multi-ethnic civilization would be successful, even preferable, to our current Western society. It is in these organizations’ interest to paint Islam in as bad a light as possible.

        Now if you walk into a sportsbar on a Saturday night in Spokane, Washington and start slagging off white civilization and Christianity as nothing but a cruel worthless cult – as you’re allowed to do under the constitution – well then you had better either be a good sprinter or boxer.

        I think most Amren readers understand that if you decide to bring in folks from the deepest Middle East into the US then it’s likely that you will get the religions of the deepest Middle East into the country too. The root of this menace is thus non-white immigration, not Islam per se, although that growing confident religion does cause additional problems of course.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

           Now if you walk into a sportsbar on a Saturday night in Spokane,
          Washington and start slagging off white civilization and Christianity as
          nothing but a cruel worthless cult

          Really?  In this day and age?  Oh yeah, you’ll get unwelcome stares, and everyone will look at you like a kook, and the bartender and/or the manager will suggest that you look for Saturday night fun elsewhere.  But you will not be physically attacked.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

          skew race – I don’t see that at all.  There’s plenty of non-whites out there attacking White People and a good number of them have the gall to where crosses around their necks so I don’t see this as being a skewed issue.

          islam doesn’t need to be painted, it’s evil through and through.  It needs no mask.  As for saying multi-culti would work if it weren’t for islam, I don’t know anyone stupid enough to fall that kindergarten lie.

          Let me put it this way:  I’m a Segregationist.  I do not believe in mixing at all.  islam is islam and I hate it but getting rid of it is not my goal.  Taking back America and Europe for White People is all I care about.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             But do those white people have to be Christians too?  That is the overall point I am driving at.  Our Western traditions include not just Christian thought, but has been fired and led by the triumph of critical inquisition as in science and the reasoning of Philosophy.  If we (or you) can only see whites as a people subject to an invisible king in an elusive off earth realm with very contradictory and randomly applied rules, we have no Western culture and most importantly, FREEDOM.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

            You do not know how to read AT ALL.

            I have NEVER said anyone NEEDED to be Christian.  I said this is a Christian Country because she is.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

              “You do not know how to read AT ALL.

            I have NEVER said anyone NEEDED to be Christian.  ”

            I read well enough to have graduated with an advanced degree and pass my national and state boards.

            You implied it because you select me out as an atheist with you as a Christian having the imagined right to send me to a Muslim country or having other special powers and rights because you are a Christian and I am not.  I think only logic says that you would not be saying this if I told you that I was a Christian.  You would merely assume that I think exactly like you do.

            “I said this is a Christian Country because she is.”

            Tell me how and why this is so, not because you say so. That doesn’t wash in any sort of debate.  Give me historical, documented proof.  I’ve given you mine.

          • kjh64

            America was founded and our culture develeped on judeo/christian principles with the allowance of religious freedom and seperation of church and state. I support this right to have freedom of religion and to be religious  or not and I do not believe in mixing religion and politics.

                 Yes, in the past christianity could be violent, just like a lot of religions and such. However, the past doesn’t matter, it is what is today that matters. Today, Islam is hands down the most violent and domineering major religion on the planet. It is not just a religion but a political movement that governs every aspect of life and government. It is in total contrast to America or any other non-muslim country. Everywhere on the planet that islam comes up against another culture, there is severe conflict. This is why islam has NO place in America and these bottle throwing muslims should never have been allowed into the US and  should be sent home along with most of the rest of them. If a White American national  converts to islam or is born into it, he is and should be free to do so though should be expected to obey American law. However, foreign, non-White muslims should not be here.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         Christians don’t own public property either, but they have a much longer history  of attempting ownership.  You must apply the same standards to yourself as you do them.  Lawfully, the one provoking has some responsibility.  If you go out knowing you are going to provoke people, you are somewhat responsible for the results and it is dishonest to pretend that holding signs like this is not being provocative.

        It appears to me that you want to make non-Christians walk on eggshells yourself.

        It makes my head spin to imagine how soon we’d have a Christian inquisition back if it weren’t for our laws.  I think some of you would be burning me at the stake tomorrow if you could get away with it.  Don’t pretend you’re so above that;  just a few years ago Christians murdered doctors for not obeying their religious rules.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

          “attempting ownership” – You HATE Christians, this much is clear.  You’re not a slick willy.  EVERYONE has tried their hand at “ownership”.  Who cares?

          I know about islam and that’s why I write what I do.  As for your stupid and deliberately ill stated accusation about Christians, you wish that would happen just so could prove your false point.  You hate God so therefore we all must hate God.

          I wouldn’t tie you to a stake, I’d make you go live in a muslim country since Christianity is just so evil in your opinion and I, because I’m a Christian, would never make you live in one since it is after all, the cause of all the problems according to you.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             Look at you, throwing a fit!

            I don’t hate Christians, I have many close and long term friends who are Christians, and a couple who are Jews.  They tolerate me and allow me my opinions and I tolerate their inability to understand me.  What is important to us is our humanm European and WHITE connection.

            What I dislike and argue against is just the sort of thing that Christians like you resort to when you are losing the debate on all points, condemn, make assumptions you can emotionally deal with, etc.

            How can I hate God when I know nothing like that exists except for in your fevered mind?  I don’t waste my time that way, sorry.

            I have even more criticism of Islam than Christianity but that has not been the point here.  It is not an either or situation even though you want it to be.  I am against Islam in Europe or here because we can’t stand or will survive another two thousand years of a religious purge even half as bad as Christianity was.

             If Islam were the discussion point between us, you would hear my opinions on it.  The issue is Christianity because you seized on that with me.  The issue afflicting white realism (survival) is the virus of Christianity inside it.  You are a perfect example of the problem and why whites will fail.

            So you’d “make me go live in a Muslim country,” huh?  In what fantasy do you imagine you could ever send me away from my home?  I’ll tell you this; in the bad days to come, I will provide equal opportunity targets for my defense of my home and property no matter of your race, color or creed.  That means being white and a Christian isn’t enough because you prove that you can’t be trusted by me or even most whites who want to protect themselves from nonwhites.  You are putting your religion above your race and ancestry, something Christianity does for whites.

            You’ve got a lot of learning to do.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       I am not very interested in these Muslim v Christian wars.  They are both operating from a ridiculous idea that everyone in the world should believe as they do and one can’t stand the other.  They both stole their basics from Jews, who they both hate, which makes them hypocrites.

      If I told either of them what I think, they would likely both be throwing stones at me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

        That’s not true at all.  Let’s do an experiment.  You walk into both a church and a mosque and say what you want to say and see what happens.

        My bet is as follows:  You will be attacked by the muslims and the Christians will merely try to change your mind.

        I thought you didn’t believe in religion so how can you say Christians STOLE from the jews?  And Jews don’t exist since religion is phony anyway right?  You don’t get to do this Sir.  You can’t say religion is for the ignorant while calling Jews Jews.  Judaism is a religion too and since religion is phoney, Jews don’t exist.

        Also, please, name names.  I’m Christian and I don’t hate Jews so please, name those who hate Jews and leave the rest of us out of it and please, don’t mistake people like me (I don’t worship people) who, just because they won’t bow down at the Jew Alter that that equates to hate.  It merely means that we don’t worship people nor do we hold out one particular group of people as sinless.

        Last, Christians didn’t steal anything from any Jew as Jesus cannot be stolen.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           This has to be one of the most illogical posts I’ve ever seen.

          Just because I don’t see religions as anything more than cultural mythology doesn’t mean that I must deny that they exist and constitute a real effect in the world.  These religions have affected the world hugely and I or anyone would be ridiculous to deny it.  I find it fascinating and have studied them, especially Christianity for decades.   I am not bound by some sort of invisible force or power from recognizing the workings and effects of these religions simply because I am critical of them.

          My continued and bottom line argument is that Christianity is not good for white survival and posts like yours tend to prove it.  Your post is proof of how it distracts and maintains you in ignorance.  In Christianity are the elements of enforced ignorance, heavy handed psychological and spiritual blackmail and NO exclusive support for whites; in fact the blatant and clear declaration that everyone in the world is to be included and in fact must be converted “if they are to be saved.”

          Although I agree with you to a degree that Muslims would resort to violence sooner than Christians, that is only because Christianity has been subject to Western rule of law longer than Islam.  There are some Christians right here in the U.S. who will resort to violence and have.  It was only a few years back that some Christians were shooting and killing doctors who performed abortions.  Check history, just in the 19th century, we had plenty of Christian violence; sect against sect and famously, against Mormons.   In the 14th century when the Black Plague was devastating Europe and every Christian remedy, from prayer to self-flagellation failed, the rumor that the Jews were the cause spread.  See, they were secretly poisoning wells, the same ones they had to drink from themselves.  The church went with this because it removed the obvious ineffective results of their prayers and purges.  I think if I attended an Amren convention and let myself be known, I run a big risk of one of you taking a swing at me, based on some of these really idiotic replies over time.

          Jews, no hatred of Jews?  What historical cave do you dwell in?  There are too many names to name, but let’s just start with the expulsions of Jews from this or that country in Europe over a period of a thousand years or so. Let’s look at the purges and slaughters in Europe AND the Islamic world.  Try to justify those expulsions as anything but scriptural permissions, often sanctioned by the church.  I can’t count the times in my life where individuals makes hateful comments about Jews as a habitual aside.  Look up David Dukes site.  He is obsessed with hating Israel and Jews more than anything else.  He has many followers in the U.S., many of whom no doubt, post here on Amren.

          Last?  Read your Bible.  Paul admits he stole it in his own letters.  He also calls himself a liar, who took (stole) from James and his followers in Jerusalem and made up his own version;  He says he ” lies to show the truth.”

          There is a theologian today who has written a very good, readable book on how the Bible was written.  He is a recognized scholar on the subject.  He attended the top Protestant Divinity schools in the U.S.  He chairs the Department of Religious Studies at Chapel Hill in North Carolina.  His name is Bart Ehrman.  He has written several books on Christian history.  Find a copy of “Misquoting Jesus.”  You will have your eyes opened, as would anyone who is interested in facts about Christian and European history.

          BTW Christianity “stole” most (really all)  of its ideas from pre or simultaneously existing religions, including Christmas and Easter.  The sun god Mithra was born on the winter solstice and his birthday was December 25th and was born of a virgin.  The goddess Eoster was a fertility goddess of the spring and the egg is her symbol.  March hares are an old European agent that herald the spring.  The name Jesus Christ is neither Aramaic or Hebrew and was never used in Judea or Israel in the first century.  It is Greek.  Paul first used it when he was formulating his own version of the Jewish sect he found in Jerusalem.  Being a Hellenized Jew he concocted Christianity for a Greek audience, initially.  In your Bible is Paul’s story about how he was rejected from that sect because he brought an uncircumcised convert into the Temple.  Roman soldiers had to rescue him from them.  Because of that, some historians think that he remained an Roman agent as he had been as Saul, but working “undercover,” so to speak. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

            You hate God and you hate Christians.  Good for you.  You’re full of double speak and you speak with forked tongue.  I’m not answering this post of yours.  You’re not interested in debate, all you want to do is bash Christians.

            Last, God said MENTION Me.  This is something you clearly do not understand.  You really don’t know anything at all about Christians or God.  You’ve confused people with Christians.

            PEOPLE love to make themselves appear good and great in the eyes of both God and others and that is why there are some “christians” out there who believe ALL people are to be included and/or why they think they have the right to replace other religions with their own.

            You have to distinguish between what God said and what others said God said.  Your interpretation of The Bible is not the same as how other people interpret The Bible.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            What you are doing is plugging your ears and singing, “La, la, la,…. ”

            People aren’t Christians/Christians aren’t people…. hmmm, interesting.

            You accuse me of “double speak,” but you don’t recognize your own circular argument style;  “God said what he said to me because he said he said it.”  AND “God says different things to different people depending upon how they interpret it.” (?)  Nonsense, the buck has to stop somewhere.  But the tendency for Christians to style their personal beliefs to their own needs is one of the main problems posed for the survival of Christianity because they become instant hypocrites.

            The fact is that I am writing way over your head and you can’t digest it.  And you can’t admit it.

            Words are words; if Jesus is clearly represented to have said “Bless those who curse you, when they strike your cheek, offer the other, do good to those who harm you, etc., The Beatitudes, this cannot be interpreted to mean that you ought to attack before your enemy attacks you or take advantage of everyone you can.  Then we have the “camel through the eye of the needle” and a host of other directives like, be like sheep, follow the good shepherd, be like a child, and other obvious goads toward gullibility and imbecility simultaneously.

            Modern theologians provide most of the opinions of interpretation I use.  I think I already referred you to Bart Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus.”  He is expert in the same languages of all the oldest texts of the Bible and spent years comparing and contrasting all known early Biblical texts with later ones.  In his book, he shows that the top researchers have found more errors in translations in the Bible than there are words.  He shows that it was men who wrote the words for personal and politically motivated reasons in the time of asserting the influence of Christianity.  Sometimes it was just due to laziness or honest mistakes.  What is clear is that “God” doesn’t or hasn’t really said anything.  It’s men claiming to know what  “God” wants, like you are doing now, making it up as it suits you in the moment.  All of this proves very earthly ambition of men, not the influence or even justice of some god.  Bart Ehrman btw, began his career a fervent believer.  After his decades of study, he now says he is agnostic.

             Again,  I don’t and can’t waste time hating something that I am convinced doesn’t exist.   There is no proof of any god and so there is no weight in any words just because some liars thousands  of years ago said so on paper.  I don’t worry about your God.  I settled the question in my own mind many years ago.  It’s a silly concept to me, not worth fretting over.  It is the problems Christianity specifically causes whites that concerns me.  It exists for you and others who think it does, but not me and many other educated people.  Even the Vatican has moderated its stance on the reality of scripture.  They now say, well, it’s symbolic.

            My motivation is not to bash Christians for the sake of bashing them, but to demonstrate that it is a fraudulent religion that stole all of its elements from either pre-existing “pagan” and Jewish elements for the purpose of asserting Roman power in a new way, to demonstrate that by its own dictates, whites that seek to be white separatists, realists, supremacists, etc., become instant hypocrites as Christians and their efforts are doomed to failure because anyone and everyone can debunk them using the well known ethics and directives of “Jesus,” and Christianity.  Christianity doesn’t not serve the notion of white survival well, in fact, not at all.

            You’re wrong.  I AM interested in debate.  In fact, I have been since high school where I won first place twice in forensic tournaments.  But it appears that you don’t know what that word means.  If you would come with some documented proof, an answer for example to my challenge to show me where in the NT there is a place for white or any racial/ethnic  exceptionalism, THAT would be engaging in a debate.

            Your explanation of why some Christians believe all people should be included is ill-informed.  It is in your New Testament explicitly; in order to be a Christian you must by doctrine seek to convert the world and this is the clear mission of Christianity.  Once, this served Western ambition, now it threatens Western survival.  Ironic, I think… the Church, Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox will take and wants all the converts it can get regardless of their origins and it has been that way since the first century.  It’s a business at the core, and a political concern.

            I keep giving you facts and resources to refer to for them and you ignore them, don’t acknowledge. 

            I can tell you what the most intelligent of believers say when confronted with the sort of arguments I have presented to you.  They ultimately say that their beliefs are based on their faith.  Okay.  What that means is that they know that they cannot prove anything, but they want to believe it all the same.  That at least is honest.  We can then proceed into the issues of the psychology of belief and show things like how being indoctrinated as a baby, the heavy use of fear and threats like “hell” and “God’s judgement” etc., are used to manipulate and also how human’s have an emotional need for some sort of spirituality.  But you are stuck, running in circles with your fingers in your ear, yelling nonsensical accusations at me.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

             Whiteplight:

            Yet, you save your “best,” such as it is, for Christians.  And we’re not supposed to believe that you have a personal motive?

  • Church_of_Jed

    Yawn.  This is our future.  Soon, just reporting these incidents will be a hate crime.

    Notice how the Gov’nah is silent.  He knows the future.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W25W7Z72IPG34VCBTTORC7GE3U Steven

    And obongo is importing more muslim refugees from africa than ever before. We could get the left to oppose this given their stoning of gays and cuting little girls genitals.

    • Pauldrimmer

      The Left never oppose Islam, the muslim hordes have replaced the Proletariat as their beloved masses, not just voting fodder,but real battalions against the hated West/Christen
      dom.

      • plinytheyounger

        Oh, please.  The left barely exists in the US.  And to the extent that it does, it detests Islam.  Feminists, Jews, liberal Christians, Hispanics–there is little to no sympathy for Islam among any of those groups.  Islam is tolerated–that is all.

  • The Serbian

    Western Christianity and the term weakness, are synonymous with one another
    What can you expect when it’s become feminized?
    A good chunk of Christians in the USA  don’t really believe anyway, they just go to church services as a result of social pressure. When I lived in Texas and then Georgia, this became most obvious with the Protestants. So much for the bible belt. Even both Orthodox church’s which I attended, didn’t really pass the litmus test either.

    White America’s problems run so deep and broad, I wouldn’t know where to start. I’m not just saying this to be sarcastic. 

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Funny to see a “Serbian” saying this.  I have lived in the Balkans and even attended a Serbian Orthodox service once, just to learn a bit of Serbian culture.  I’ve read the full history of the Hapsburg Empire and tomes like Rebecca West’s pro-Serb “Black Lamb, Grey Falcon; A Journey Through Yugoslavia.”  I think your tangles are not only older, but far more hopeless than ours.  Having said that, I will admit that at least Serbs (most of them) are pretty clear on their national identity.  But if you are in America, it would seem you’ve deserted.

  • plinytheyounger

    So Muslims are engaged in a religious festival and some “Christian” agents provocateurs try to “convert” them.  If these were Jews whom Christians were trying to convert, all the news media would be outraged and the story would never show up here.  So why is it different for Muslims?  Would you not be enraged if a bunch of Muslims showed up at San Gennaro (for you Italians) or at your church and started telling you why you need to convert to Islam?  I’m all for John 3:16 but I don’t want people coming to try to convert me to anything–Christian, Muslim or Buddhist.

    Why is it so hard to understand why they might be pissed off by that?  Muslims didn’t invade the US.  We should never have passed the 1965 Immigration Act that allowed everyone and his brother in the door, but we did.  And I’ll say that the same people who were behind that disgraceful legislation are the ones who now fund and motivate attacks on Muslim in America.  Think about that for a moment. This website has lots of good articles, but it is unfortunately very selective in identifying threat groups.  In fact, the biggest threat group is never fingered at all here.  I wonder why.   

  • Jared Pierce

    I do think the Christian Evangelists were being very provocative and obnoxious going into the Arab festival with their banners. With that said, the police should have protected them.
    I don’t understand why they didn’t. The klan or Nazis are protected walking through Jewish neighborhoods in the name of free speech. Where was a similar protection for the Christians. It makes no sense, unless Dearborn police are really afraid of the power of the Muslim community.
    Jared Pierce

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

      This is a Christian Country and mudlims don’t belong here.  You do know that your Founding Fathers’ did go to War against them don’t you?

      I hope you will take the time to learn what islam is actually about.  islam is literally, incompatible with EVERY Country except muslim countries and they emigrate for one reason and one reason only, to take over.  It’s called World Domination and that is the goal of islam.

      Side Note:  apparently no one told you but the Nazi’s no longer exist.  That War and most of those people from that time are now dead.

      • GM (Australia)

        Yes, how many people in the West know that the last battle against the Muslim invasion of Europe was less than 400 years ago. We should not be encouraging Muslims to come to either your country or mine. Our politicians will not listen to our concerns and as such I think that this noisy demonstration by Christians was quite in order.

        World domination of Islam, yes, easily achieved by immigration and out- breeding us, and here in Australia our generous welfare system encourages them to have their 10 children, not to mention their second or even fourth wife who will be receiving a supporting parents benefit. And all of our human rights laws just encourage them to be very assertive in their host country. I also understand that there are many Islamic leaders who want Arabic to be the international language.

        Last month 4000 boat people, officially classed as Asylum Seekers, arrived in Australia, the reality is that  they are mainly Muslim illegal immigrants brought here by Indonesian people smugglers, yet our government seems to be quite unwilling to take any real action to stop these arrivals. (And sadly some deluded church leaders say we should have compassion for these people, like open the floodgates and let them all in)

        The Sword of Islam, is very real, and  one of the duties of every good Muslim is to assist or even fight for  the world domination of their religion. “Islam is the religion of peace” some will say, what absolute baloney,  try telling this to the families of any terror victim, especially 9/11 or the London Bombing or in our part of the world the Bali Bombings. (88 Australians were murdered)

        I am pleased that there are some brave people out there, especially Christians,  who have enough guts to demonstrate against Islam in our nominally Christian West.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

          Yes Ma’am!

          Unfortunately, it’s gonna be us are who are going to be forced to deal with these spawn.  All our Politicians and Rich People (yours and mine) will head for their gated communities while the rest of us are left to be eaten alive.

          How fair is that?  We were never asked what we wanted, we’ve been forced to hand over our Countries and Culture and we’re forced to allow these spawn to attack us without impunity.  Not just here but all the little girls in England who’ve been raped and beat and the boys who’ve been murdered and of course all the other non-whites who attack us daily.  Let me stop, you know I could on and on.

          There will be hell to pay for what they’ve done to us and they will rue the day they set out to destroy us.  “they” is every single last Traitor who allowed this to happen.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

         No, this is NOT a Christian country.  It was not created to support Christianity, but to allow people to practice it or any other outlook – or not.

        Instead of telling others to learn about Islam, you ought to learn more about your own country and how and why it was created as it was.  You would do well to learn more about your own religion because you don’t even seem to know what is in your own New Testament.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

          You will first have to prove this is not a Christian Country before I re-read The New Testament.

          This IS a Christian Country.  What this Christian Country is not is one particular strain of Christianity.

          You’re an atheist so what you say is not surprising but let me help ya out a little:  Waste your atheist time on someone else.  I know what my Founding Fathers’ wrote and I know what kind of people they wanted here.  Sadly, you’re not one of them.  You’re not able to just be glad to be able to live here and be left alone, no, you want to try to mislead people about my Country and my Founding Fathers’.

          You will fool many but you won’t fool them all.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             TEll me what they said that ruled that the United States of America is to be an exclusively Christian country.  If you can do that I will admit you’re right.

            I have invited you to tell me where in the NT there is language that makes whites exclusive or supports any kind of race or ethnic right to superiority or specialness.  That isn’t requiring you to read the entire Bible, but I know you’ve never done even that.  But this is your great chance to show me up, publicly.  Don’t try to escape by holding my views as an excuse to not reply at all.  You loose by default when you do that.

            I refer you to an accepted scholarly work on the subject, “Founding Faith” by Stephan Waldman.  You will find that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were Enlightenment Philosophers who helped create the reality of the idea of the Separation of Church and State.  And guess what, surprize, there were Jews in the colonies and early America too. 

            You’re very proud and think you have the issue well handled, but you seem to be acting on practiced opinion not fact.  I have an ancestor who was a Founding Father, btw.

            You say that I should be grateful to live here (in this very satisfactory situation that keeps  you and others here posting night and day against it), and be content and be quiet.  You say that I am being left alone.  I have never gone about knocking on doors or actively telling people that they need to think.  The assumption of Christians like you that your lord out things like freedom to non-believers is not only incorrect, it is un-American.  But I have lived in Europe and I can tell you that it is much easier to be a philosopher and an atheist there than here.

            I have every right to exist and think as I do here as you do, thank you very much.  You do not grant it to me and neither does any religious group or faction. 

            I do write about it and I will continue because you are not the only one reading these posts.  Also, you ought to recognize that it has always been people like me who have bucked the status quo and made the changes that increased the wealth and power of whites, far more than Christianity, which tells you to be a sheep and a child, and not question anything.  Furthermore, Christianity makes whites victims and ripe for plucking.  It words against us every time Christians try to assert white rights, because it is so easy to do using Christian verse!

            And for that reason alone, I will continue.

  • newscomments70

    I wonder if this will be included in TLC’s “All American Muslim” reality show. 

  • Spartan24708

    I agree Jared, they were very provocative with the signs and especially with the pig’s head on a stake. If they had been peacefully mingling with the crowd, possibly handing out tracts or sharing the gospel in a loving way then this wouldn’t have happened. There was no reason for them to behave in the manner that they did, all they are doing is stooping to the Muslim’s level. It’s quite possible that they were hoping that this sort of incident would happen so that they could get it all on video when they were really the ones that started it. I am all for free speech but to me this is yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. 

    • plinytheyounger

      I agree with you entirely.

    • Southern__Hoosier

       Wrong! Did we attack illegals when they were walking all over the American  flag in their protest rallies? Did the Christians riot in the street over “Piss Christ”? What about the killing of Theo Van Gogh? How provocative was he? Or the Danish cartoonist?Peacefully mingling with them, the way Comrade Obama does?

  • Diamond_Lil

    So where is the illustrious ACLU? 

    • newscomments70

      The ACLU is almost always there for the left wing radicals, but recently they have supported the KKK’s petition to “adopt a highway”. That’s bizarre….quite generous of them, but I would rather that they support white victims of violent crimes, and people who go to prison for defending themselves. That will never happen though. The ACLU will only support loony-tunes. 

  • Up to my neck in CA
  • http://www.newnation.org/ sbuffalonative

    Muslims live in dreaded fear of being defiled with anything ‘unclean’. Keep that in mind in any future skirmish. Just imagine how easily it would be to drive them back with pork products and bacon drippings. Any contamination would result in hours and days of ritual cleansing.

    • Southern__Hoosier

       Hummm! Pig roasting over burning Korans. Yum!!

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    The only time in my memory I had a substantial disagreement with one Patrick Joseph Buchanan was over the issue of the Mohammed Funnies.  His opinion was that the Danish cartoonist shouldn’t have drawn them because any first world educated adult should grok the high strung fanatical nature of fundamentalist Muslims.  My opinion is that nobody should be that high strung.  How many Christians went on murderous rampages after the Mapplethorpe “Piss Christ” painting?

    I’m seeing some of PJB’s sentiment in this thread so far, you know who you are, I won’t name names.  I will say that I think there’s an ulterior motive for some of you to think that, and it all has to do with the “J” thing.  There’s this hobby horse going around our circles that the Jews have given us special permission to hate Muslims but not hate anyone else.  I know that theory exists, because I believed it for about two weeks until my common sense came to the rescue.

    First, Jews don’t have that kind of total and consummate power over American political discourse that some of us think they do.

    Second, even if you want to believe that they do, as a matter of fact, “the Jews” have not given us permission to “hate Muslims.”  Anecdotal evidence:

    *  The ADL, AJC, the New York Times and Elena Kagan have all come out publicly for Shari’ah Law in the United States.

    *  Most of the same above and a big majority of organized Jewish groups openly oppose “Islamophobia.”

    *  A recent poll of American Jewish thinkers done by the magazine Forward shows that their approval rating of Muslims is twice as high as for Evangelical Christians.  Incidentally, Jews think more highly of Mormons than they do of Muslims.  That said, it might not be crazy to think that American Jewish thinkers give Osama bin Laden and John Hagee the same approval rating.
     
    *  Meyer Kahane, who founded the Jewish Defense League, and who staked out a far right plank within the Israeli body politic, was quoted saying something along the lines of that he approved of Islam because most Muslims were fellow Semites, and they could come to a mutual understanding.  Of course, they loved him so much that they killed him.

    Where we might walk away with the impression that “the Jews have given us permission to hate Muslims” is because most of us pay some sort of attention to lamestream and neo-conservative media, which is populated by a lot of Kristol types who are that way.  Be mindful that the Kristol types are a severe minority in the American Jewish body politic.

    • The__Bobster

      http://www.vdare.com/articles/how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists

      That Bush crowd is yesterday, said Kristol. And not only had the “Arabists” like President Bush been shoved aside by the neocons, the “Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul type” of Republican has been purged.

      “At B’nai Jeshurun,” writes Weiss, “Kristol admitted to playing a role in expelling members of the Republican Party he does not agree with. These are Republicans you had to ‘repudiate,’ said Kristol, people “of whom I disapprove so much that I won’t appear with them.”

      “I’ve encouraged that they be expelled or not welcomed into the Republican Party. I’d be happy if Ron Paul left. I was very happy when Pat Buchanan was allowed—really encouraged … by George Bush … to go off and run as a third-party candidate.”

      Kristol’s point: Refuse to toe the neo-con line on Israel, and you have no future in the Republican Party.

      Ben Ami seemed equally exultant: “We’ve won the war; we won the war,” he told the audience. Ninety-nine percent of Congress now votes almost 100 percent pro-Israel.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

         I remember that.  What jumped out at me is Kristol Lite somehow implying that Bush (43) was not one of him and his ilk.  I tend to believe him here, which means that the reason Bush went into Iraq the second time had nothing to do with the favorite hobby horse reasons some of us think.

        I also tend to think that Kristol Lite and Bon Ami are blustering, deliberately overestimating their own success and power.  How many people do we know that read the Meekly Standard and believe everything they read in it?

        One more thing:  Why would Bush encourage PJB to run third party when that would (and did) draw votes from Bush?

        • plinytheyounger

          I don’t understand how your reply is relevant to Bobster’s comment.  Also, your first paragraph is a non sequitur.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

             Because it was about the VDare article he linked to and posted.

  • Alexandra1973

    They apparently buy into “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Bishop/100001139074243 William Bishop

    This is what divesity brings by letting non whites in our country who donot believe in or Messia-Christ.  Our leaders in goverment are betraying us.  Bill Bishop

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

    Religion caused nothing, it was used as an excuse.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       I’m afraid I must say that it is only because you haven’t studied history that you say that.  Here’s what a Roman philosopher named Lucretius said in the first century BCE;

      “All religion is sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.”

      Some things never change.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

        Lucky for me, I’m “ignorant” Thank God so I can “ignorantly” but at least blissfully, continue to believe in God.

        Politicians lie so for them using religion for their own purpose should be expected.  They’ll say or do anything if they think it will help them keep their Seat.

        I wouldn’t go so far as to say Philosophers don’t believe in God.  A good number of them do indeed believe in God.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           YOU can claim you’re lucky if you want, but it isn’t lucky for you as a white.  Any reason you come up with for white separatism or exclusiveness can be shot down by the words of your own religious doctrine, period.

          Now it is your turn to name names.  Can you name a philosopher of note that believes in the Christian god?  Any doctrinal god?  Philosophy was and is called “natural religion” sometimes.  It literally means “love of knowledge.”  This applies to all subjects as it is the antithesis of the religious dogma that you are used to.  The Greek philosophers and then the Roman continuum brought the idea of critical thought into the Western world.  Philosopher is the REASON that Europeans eventually excelled in the sciences.  They were fought by the Christian dogmatists all the way until it was seen that they couldn’t be stopped.  Then, as it has always done, the Church tried to “own” it.  It is also why the title is used universally for any advanced degree of learning (Phd = doctor of philosophy of).  Although some attempts were made by philosophy (and religion) to reconcile religion with philosophy (most famously Philo the Jew), active philosophers today tend to be either agnostic or frank atheists.

  • The__Bobster

    No, Ford admired Mideastern Christians like the Maronites. Those were the people he brought in.

  • ageofknowledge

    This IS diversity.

  • ageofknowledge

    Religion may be the problem but “any thinking person” who has experienced God first hand, such as being supernaturally healed of a serious illness at a genuine Christian assembly (not composed of disgenuine Christians) as I was, already knows that you are stating a false assertion based on your own ignorance.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       I’d like to know the diagnosed disease you were cured of by God, and who made the diagnosis.  But statistically, the occurrence of such “miracles” is about the same as if nothing had been done.

      I always notice that when something good happens, the believer credits his deity, but when bad things happen, it is either of an evil power or “part of God’s plan” – a pitiful sort of grasp at straws of justification for continued psychological dependency on the belief.

      But if you have a real faith healer there, why don’t you take him to the nearby hospital where he/she can prove these claims and convert all?

      • ageofknowledge

        I had a very painful serious hole in my esophagus (e.g. esophageal perforation) and surgery was being scheduled. I am 100% healed from it without having to go through the surgical procedure. Yes, I did feel the healing occur and no I do not need to take any perscription medications or treatment in any way like I did as it is completely gone. 

        My primary care physician is still baffled. There is no natural explanation for it. You are, of course, free or not or disbelieve. I’m just happy to have been healed from what was a serious medical problem. Interestingly, I have another completely unrelated medical issue that was not healed.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          What I doubt is that your primary care physician is baffled.  “Holes in the esophagus” heal all the time by themselves.   This problem occurs in people all the time and sometimes the heal and then go bad again after years.

          I knew someone religion with Lupus who thought God healed her when the symptoms went into remission.  She just didn’t know that this is part of the disease pattern.  Sadly, that pattern sees the symptoms return worse than ever after some years.

          The fact is that spontaneous remission happens.  That does not prove a “miracle of God” occurred.  Believers make a lot of “hay” out of stuff like this all the time.

        • ageofknowledge

          I understand your skepticism and need to manufacture a statistically impossible natural solution for what happened to me. I get it all the time from atheists. But it did happen exactly as I said it did nevertheless and it was most supernatural.

          I was about to undergo serious surgery for a massive hole in my esophagus and it was supernaturally healed at a Christian service and I felt it happen. But I understand that you need to believe what you need to believe in order for the world to make sense to you within your worldview.

          But your worldview forced you to manufacture a statistically impossible natural explanation for a real supernatural event. At least you didn’t call me a liar.

          I think we’re done here. Have a great day.

  • http://pachinko.myid.net/ vanessa

    I have to disagree with AR on this one. yes those christians had a right to protest and LEGALLY should be protected from abuse. But on the other hand these christians were asking for it and got it. Christians love to feel like martyrs. Suffering seems to make them feel superior. A lot of the christians i meet are sick in the head zionist shills.  What possessed these people to go out and protest against someone else’s faith? It’s rude and it’s insane, but I do think the Constitution protects your right to be stupid, that doesn’t mean you should exercise it. How would christians feel if a bunch of muslims showed up at their churches with signs promoting islam and started proselytizing?

    • Christopher_Nelson

      Don’t be silly. You sound like a liberal.  Christians are supposed to speak out against false religions such as islam.   The majority of Americans would consider themselves christian.   The question is, why are christians persecuted in their own country?  Why are muslims allowed to act like they are living in Saudi Arabia?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

        Excellent Question and one Worthy of Examination until Properly Answered.

        No one ever wants to speak to the Double Standard and they NEVER address those who pay taxes so those Double Standards git to exist in the first place.

        That’s the other thing I Hate, Double Standard.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           Yet you use it yourself so often.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

            How so?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             In a number of ways.  One, you claim that America is a Christian country, denying religious freedom or freedom of conscious to non-Christians.  In this case, Muslims don’t have the rights you as a Christian have.  You don’t understand that historic domination by a certain religion still doesn’t connote ownership.  Second, in your comments to me. 

            You see exceptions for  yourself and Christians but not for anyone else and this is a double standard in a land founded on the idea that no particular sect or belief could take social/political power over another.

            When you made your comment to someone about the rights of Christians to carry signs, to demonstrate against Muslims and then you act like it is a surprise that they were provoked, you are not applying that logic to your “group.”

            You also seem unaware that Christians in the U.S. have been violent against others, and within your lifetime.  Tim McVeigh claimed to be acting as a Christian.  I think there were two separate shooters in the doctor murder incidents in the 1990s.  But the numbers of Christians trying to justify those murders was what was telling.

            From a previous post to me;

            “My bet is as follows:  You will be attacked by the muslims and the Christians will merely try to change your mind.”

            This is not true.  First, what Christians do is resort to shouting down secular opposition.  I have never yet had a Christian in person or even on these posts use a documented argument, not even Biblical scripture to back up their opinions, where I have.   If we make a valid point, they cry “persecution!”  Otherwise they simply slam the door, so to speak.  I have had many Christians who tried to counter me, just in the simplest basic challenges, shout me down and/or seek to establish the fact that they have “faith” as a moral superiority argument that allows them to ignore anything I say.   This is not an argument, but the tactic of a loser.  They are always upset.  I’m used to this, so I don’t get so upset.  Most just defend themselves by telling me that I need to be saved.

              I have seen Christian violence against people who question it so incisively.  It may be rare today, but the hatreds of not so long a time ago are hard wired, such as hatred of certain Protestant sects towards Mormons.  The Christian tendency to religious violence is just below the surface.  Enough so that I really can’t trust the notion of a future for whites where nothing but Christianity is allowed.  I even have predicted in the past that even if it started that way, people inside Christianity, that is, claimed Christians would soon begin to fight among themselves over doctrine.  I can predict this because this is what has gone on from the very start.

            I was raised a Christian.  I rejected it because I could see through it
            and I value my freedom of though; of conscience.  I rebel against any
            form of attempt to take power over my thoughts regardless of where it
            comes from, left, right, or religious.   But I researched it for years because I wanted to be sure.  I learned what I learned and I am still learning.  I have spent my life
            investigating because I want to find the real truth and I don’t care
            where the facts lead.   But I do care about the white race and I do think it has special and intrinsic value apart from other ethnic and racial groups.  It just happens that I clearly see the danger and huge problem that Christianity poses for white survival.  One of the biggest problems is that it blinds whites who would be race realists from truly being realists.  You cannot truly be a race realist if you are not a realist to begin with.

            It is a mistake in a very basic way for any of us to imagine we are finished learning about these or any questions.  So I hope you will take time to read history and be objective about it.  Read Gibbons, read general European history. Read about the history of Jews in Europe for example.  Read about the Crusades.  Don’t worry, I can report that the bottom line is that Europeans are a great people with a great deal to our credit.  The sad part is that so many whites don’t know the facts and instead either make up stuff or lean on social mythology.  Certainly, it is a huge mistake to opine on subjects when you haven’t informed yourself even reasonably well on the subject.  I asked you once to give me one example of white (or any race) exceptionalism in the New Testament.  I think you said that you hadn’t every read the  Bible all that much.  I asked you to do that because I have and I know that it isn’t there; in fact quite the opposite.

            The bottom line is that no one can argue a point, any point on the basis of “because I say so.”

            Expression your wishes is a completely different thing.

      • http://pachinko.myid.net/ Vanessa

        Well I don’t consider myself a liberal OR a conservative. I’m just me. I agree with 99.999% of every article on this website. I don’t have any party line to tow. If you say muslims should not be allowed to immigrate here, I’m with you 100%. We don’t need them here. They’re not part of our culture. I’m strongly opposed to christianity as it is practiced in America today, yet I recognize that Christianity (as traditionally practiced, not as a zionist tool to support jewish supremacy) is a strong and beneficial element of our culture and has made great contributions to society. Still, it’s stupid to go out there like they did and make a bunch of muslims angry. It’s bad strategy and bad tactics.  Their protest didn’t advance our cause one bit; all it did was put a target on Christians, and I’m sure they created a few more militant muslims that day. That’s just what we need – lets stir up a hornet’s nest! 
        We don’t want to focus muslim aggression on to white Christians, if anything we want their anger focused on our mutual enemy – the ZOG regime. The solution is not to proselytize them, we need to stop them from coming here in the first place and the only way to do that is to get rid of the ZOG regime.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

      The Christians were not asking for it.  This is America and Americans can go wherever and whenever they want and say whatever they want save for an extremely few exceptions but of those exceptions, none of them consist of holding signs and Speaking in the Public Square.  Christians aren’t calling for violence here, they’re just Speaking.

      martyrs – NO, muslims love to feel like martyrs.  And do you know why?  They have nothing else to live for is why.  They’re kept stupid, in abject poverty and constantly abused.  What better way to bring a people to such hate, such desperation as to bring them to strap a bomb on themselves and take as many with them as they can?  islam is what.  And let’s not forget the “stardom” one gains from such actions.

      The Middle East could/would probably be okay were it not for islam.  Islam is Evil.

      suffering makes them feel –  My God.  Christians don’t believe they’re superior, they believe God and Jesus are Superior.  Christians of Yesteryear “suffered” to Protect and Preserve their Ways and Christians of Today are Split but none of them ever believed their suffering made them “superior”.  That’s just stupid.

      faith – islam is not a faith.  Islam is a tool meant to keep an entire People Beholden to Lucifer.  This is a subject I’d like you to take up with Ali Sina.  He will give you $50,000.00 dollars, seriously, fifty grand if you can prove him wrong about islam.  Here is his challenge - http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/

      rude/insane – You mean like STONING to DEATH, a woman who may or may not have committed adultery?  Even if she is guilty, adultery is between Husband, Wife and God but not according to idiotlam.  And how’s ’bout those gays eh?  Christians don’t kill gays, we just don’t allow them to change our Society.  We allow them to stay in the closet if you will but not you muslims.  No, you muslims hang, get this now, not hang, like we used to do but HANG as in, they string them up.  They string them up.  No neck break (real hangin’) for them, it’s STRANGULATION HEAD FIRST!  I mean, they lift them via one of those mechanical trucks that goes up.  A crane.  It’s meant to inflict as much pain as possible for as long as possible.  It’s Pure Lucifer.  Pure Evil.  Like the stonings.  The rocks are picked out.  They’re sized so as to not cause immediate death yet cause pain at the same time.  Again, inflict the greatest pain possible for as long as possible.  I Hate Islam.

      protest – They weren’t so much as protesting as they were Exercising their FREE RIGHT to SPEAK FREELY.  muslims are allowed to speak freely of their wanton hatred and want for our death and destruction yet “We” are not allowed to Speak Freely of our Opposition to that?  And don’t give me this “festival” crap neither ’cause that don’t fly with me.  muslims have said plenty and been protected to do so too (Free Speech) so Christians can too.

      be stupid – muslims who choose to live in Free Countries (America/Europe) are the Truly Stupid.  White People may be stupidly patience but they’re not stupid.  Nature Dictates and God Rules.  You know this as:  War is Coming and Jehovah and Jesus Win.

      exercise – You Cannot Be American for you are Unable to Understand how Rights continue their Existence.  Exercise my Young Child, Exercise.  Exercise, no matter the ‘subject’ (physical, etc.) is Key.  It’s how things like your Rights stay Alive.

      How would you feel were you not allowed to say what you feel?  Talking/writing is good and that should never be sacrificed just because it’s unpopular.  I would not disallow muslims to say they want us dead because for one, it’s how they feel and two, speaking for myself here, I prefer to know where people are coming from.

      showed up at – They’re not at the population yet but bet yer bottom dollar, they will the very second they have the numbers.  And, they’ll carrying swords just fit for chopping our heads off.  Or, carrying something to set us on fire in our Christian Churches and Homes.

      You know nothing about islam.  www.faithfreedom.org

      The Christians weren’t “proselytizing”, they we’re Speaking.

      Side Note:  If muslims can change Local Noise Ordinance in Hamtrack, MI, they can do it anywhere where there’s numbers.  Let alone gittin’ away with this assault here..  Islam is Evil.  I Hate Islam.  I Hate Islam.  I Hate Nothing and No One but I HATE Islam.

      My Dear Young Child, please make sure to ask Ali Sina how Men are Truly treated in islamic countries.  Shortly put, they’re no better off.

  • Christopher_Nelson

    The christians.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McConnell/563448640 Michael McConnell

    Why does this surprise anyone?  Islam is a religion of war and intolerance.  Oh in small doses non-muslims think about how innocent they are and on and on but have muslims in a large number and they quckly become a lynch mob.  Stupid people like the blacks think that muslim like them……they don’t.  They hate blacks and I’ve seen it live on many occations in San Francisco.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      “Stupid people like the blacks think that muslim like them……”

      That is because of the now old, Black Muslim movement in America, led by Louis Farrakhan.  If you don’t know about him and that movement, look it up, it’s important to know about.

      Islam was initially a war, a war historically called The Arab Expansion, or The Wars of the Arab Expansion.  But they did it differently.  They did not destroy like say, Genghis Khan.  They sought to take over, to capture people and cities.  They did this because the religion was an excuse for expanding economic control mainly via slave trading.  So they didn’t seek to slaughter wholesale the way Christian Crusaders did, but to capture, then use the population for tax collection and trade.  Look it up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BFD7G5JBJ6XNMIM56X7SEXOVJQ CecilS

    I loathe Islam and every stinking crevice and misguided load of crap it stands for. Some guy in the desert, who was insane and a pedophile, dreams some stuff up and a bunch of lunatics take it from there. 

  • plinytheyounger

    Test.

  • Celticgoddess

    so, they (the current thugs in our gov’t) call whites for white unity and preservation of our culture/heritage terrorists and monitor our every move…yet the real terrorists are invited to the white house and given 1.5 million OUR TAX DOLLARS!  How the hell does any white person with a half a brain ever consider voting Barack Hussein Obama?
    If we can’t take this next election with a win of majority of American conservatives, America is doomed. I don’t want to live in America under a racist thug like  Barack Hussein Obama and his thugs. I don’t want to live in an America where I am hated and discriminated against for being a white catholic/christian.

  • plinytheyounger

    Ask yourself this question:  If the gathering that was picketed by Christian evangelicals had been Jewish instead of Muslim, what would the media reaction have been?  Answer:  One of unmitigated outrage, demands for apologies, and other theatrics.  And the question–the key question–is:  What accounts for the difference?

  • Saisyet

    Spread the video around!  I’ve posted it on my facebook.

  • Saisyet

    If they can treat Christians this way in a Christian-majority nation think of how they treat Christians in their majority Muslim homelands!

  • Saisyet

    I hope Christians have better weapons and technology.

  • anarchyst

    Islam has no place in the United States of America.  As a political system masquerading as a religion, there are no Constitutional protections afforded it.
    Muslims should (at the least) be REQUIRED to register as “agents of a foreign government” with the U. S. State Department.  The same should also go for any person that holds “dual-nationality” status.
    I believe that dual-nationality should be prohibited along with adherence to ANY foreigh political systems.  (e. g. islam, zionism, socialism, communism, etc.).  All of the preceding political systems are not compatible with American ideals and should be suppressed (or at least discouraged) in MY country.
    Those American proponents of unrestricted legal (and illegal) immigration should be charged and tried for TREASON.
    Harsh?  YES, but very necessary.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    This video needs to go viral, needs to be posted and re-posted OVER and OVER and OVER again until it gets picked up by someone like Hannity.

    One of the men involved asked Wayne County Deputy Chief Mike Jaafar  if his officers could at least protect them from being assaulted.  The Deputy Chief says, “Again, listen carefully, we have to protect 17 blocks and we do not have the manpower to do so,” and then he walks off.

    The deputy chief walked away from a felony assault, leaving these men on their own to face a rabid crowd. 

    Does anyone still believe the lie that Islam is a religion of peace?

    @George Bush:  Good thing we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them right here, isn’t it?

    Bon

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     No, communism is NOT an atheistic ideology.  That is; atheism is not its cause or point.  Marxism only recognized that the church was part of the system that oppressed the people, the “opiate of the masses.”  Just like the French Revolution, which clearly had NO atheistic component, the chain of revolutions that continued into the 20th century was largely due to Christian supported systems (monarchies) that had exploited and oppressed people for centuries.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     By reading some real history.  It was not popular to know this stuff, and Christianity has been trying to ignore it and put a happy face on things like the Inquisition and witch trials for a long time, but our modern ability to research and have access to materials makes it obvious.

    Last week, I listed one good source book,  “The Encyclopedia of Witch Craft and Demonology.”  This is a well-documented scholastic history of witch trials and the Inquisition  in Europe over about 500 years.  Other good books would include ones on the Holy Inquisition, histories of the Knights Templar, The Abligensian Crusade, any modern book on medieval history will include it.  One book, “The Holy Terror,” is hard to find, but actually has estimates of numbers and types of heretical claims.  It ends with the outbreaks in New England.  Another required read which anyone who pretends to know any European history is required to know about as a source book is the classic history by Edward Gibbon; “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.”  That is six volumes long and spans a period of 1200 years of detailed history including revealing details about the early Christian church.

    You could also learn a great deal through doing online research.  One fascinating and revealing subject is the story of the last classic Greek philosopher a woman named Hypatia.  There was actually an excellent film made on the historical Hypatia in Alexandria a few years ago (2010).  It is called “Agora,” and stars Rachel Weisz.  The research that went into rendering the history and religious strife was meticulous, as the extra features illustrate.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     History proves this to be true.  It was the idea of American democracy to try to create a system where this did not occur, but it did anyway.

    Just look at the possessions of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide.  But the Protestants have the same goals as do the Mormons.  Doctrines are taught to every new generation, or rather brainwashed in when they are young.  Other than that, converts are created through fear and even threats.  Some here accuse me of all sorts of personal bad experiences to satisfy themselves that I couldn’t be coming from a rational point of view, but this is one of the main reasons;  I resent the attempt to control me through fear and threats and the role of religion in seeking power through heavy handed spiritual control is overwhelmingly evident throughout history.

  • newscomments70

    There have always been fat cops. They carry guns, work in teams, and will not duke it out  in the ring with some thug.  Female cops are much more defenseless…I never understood that program. Most criminals are on drugs and have no discipline. Yes, some convicts lift weights, but that has been discontinued in many prison systems. Yes, there are some scary looking convicts, but most rely on cowardly gang tactics to win fights. 

  • newscomments70

    I respect socially liberal or conservative views, as this is a free country . (That will change soon).  Any white person, liberal or conservative, who votes for Obama, is voting for their own genocide. If you’re pro-union, want to raise taxes, etc, that’s fine.  Just don’t vote for someone who wants to exterminate you. 

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     I have considered your comment further.  You are not even close to being correct, especially if we consider proportions of populations at the time.  Christians were killing other Europeans from the start of Christianity.  I refer you to the chapters on Christianity in Edward Gibbons classic history, “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.”  Next, we come to the Crusades, which attacked and sacked, murdering uncounted, huge numbers of white Europeans and even fellow Christians.  Then, we come to the Albigensian Crusade, which as a Church sanctions crusade against “heretics” in Southern France.  When Simon de Montefort (the crusade’s military leader) famously asked the Pope’s Bishop how he was to know heretic from believer he was told, “Kill them all, God will know his own.”  This and the continued military failures in “Outremer” (the term Holy Lands was only used by Jews until much later) in the times of the Crusades the region was called (Outremer”)).  The brutality of the Albigensian crusade combined with the wealth (and manpower)  drain on Europe from supporting Crusades AND the corruption of the Church brought on The Reformation.

    This began the wars of religion in Europe which went on for centuries and culminated in the two world wars.  They amount to European civil wars driven by Christianity on all sides.  We first have the Hundred Years War where the Church played off one side and the other, then the Catholic /Protestant wars in England and Europe.  The Thirty Years War was a frank war between Catholic and Protestant Europe.  This war was raging in Europe when the first colonies were being established in Massachusetts and Virginia (I have ancestors from both colonies).  That war was left in Europe, but the hatreds came along and there is a strong element of it in the causes of our 19th century Civil War.  Certainly, Puritanical insistence on the South being slave free was the causal motivation behind every self-righteous Northern Christian sect that ran the Underground Railroad or motivated John Brown who wouldn’t rest until he had his Armageddon.

    In Europe, the abuse of Church and State in France finally resulted in a Revolution.  That revolution led to the Napoleonic Wars that again devastated Europe and led to resentments that would cause the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 that kept the embers glowing for 1914 and beyond.  Meanwhile, in The Balkans the Austrian Hapsburg Empire conspired with the very Ottoman Turks they had fought even at the gates of Vienna for hundreds of years to suppress the Serbs, who had finally driven the Turks out of Serbia.  The Bosnian Serbs were betrayed by a brutal suppression in 1878.  The shocked Serbs had expected fellow Christians to support them against the Turks.  This bitterness led to the founding of a secret society called “The Black Hand.”  Grivilo Princip was a member.  Perhaps you can connect the dots from there.

    Even the bloody communist revolution in Russia has its cause in Church abuse.  The Romanov’s lorded and taxed an impoverished empire because the Church told them that they had a divine right to do it.  It also allowed the Orthodox Church its wealth and splendor as well.  So when the time came to “clean house” some people became fanatics, just like the French Revolution and the mid century revolts that were springing up all over Europe.  It must be remembered also, that the original revolutionists had more humanity than the Bolsheviks who wrested power from them, mainly through assassination plots.  Things like this happen when stability is lost and historical abuse creates fanatics.

    So when one takes the Olympian View of the circumspect historian, it is clear that religion and namely Christianity is responsible for not just witch and heretic trials with their sick, perverted torturing, hanging and burnings, but most if not all of the wars that have been really civil wars in Europe.  Today we can see that these wars have devastated  Europe so much that few Europeans have the will to defend themselves from foreign social invasion. 

    People like you who like to make snide little remarks as you have either don’t know or understand history, or do but don’t care about the truth.  My expressed opinions can be backed by qualified historical documentation.  Yours and far too many continually posted on these boards are based on self-mythologizing.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     Also, I have left out the history of religious wars in Europe.  This is a copy paste of what I have just written to “metaphysically challenged” above. 

    I don’t mind if the moderator deletes it out as long as it is delivered to Cpt_2400 first, because it is repetition.

    Below;

    I have considered your comment further.  You are not even close to
    being correct, especially if we consider proportions of populations at
    the time.  Christians were killing other Europeans from the start of
    Christianity.  I refer you to the chapters on Christianity in Edward
    Gibbons classic history, “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.” 
    Next, we come to the Crusades, which attacked and sacked, murdering
    uncounted, huge numbers of white Europeans and even fellow Christians. 
    Then, we come to the Albigensian Crusade, which as a Church sanctions
    crusade against “heretics” in Southern France.  When Simon de Montefort
    (the crusade’s military leader) famously asked the Pope’s Bishop how he
    was to know heretic from believer he was told, “Kill them all, God will
    know his own.”  This and the continued military failures in “Outremer”
    (the term Holy Lands was only used by Jews until much later) in the
    times of the Crusades the region was called (Outremer”)).  The brutality
    of the Albigensian crusade combined with the wealth (and manpower) 
    drain on Europe from supporting Crusades AND the corruption of the
    Church brought on The Reformation.

    This began the wars of religion in Europe which went on for centuries
    and culminated in the two world wars.  They amount to European civil
    wars driven by Christianity on all sides.  We first have the Hundred
    Years War where the Church played off one side and the other, then the
    Catholic /Protestant wars in England and Europe.  The Thirty Years War
    was a frank war between Catholic and Protestant Europe.  This war was
    raging in Europe when the first colonies were being established in
    Massachusetts and Virginia (I have ancestors from both colonies).  That
    war was left in Europe, but the hatreds came along and there is a strong
    element of it in the causes of our 19th century Civil War.  Certainly,
    Puritanical insistence on the South being slave free was the causal
    motivation behind every self-righteous Northern Christian sect that ran
    the Underground Railroad or motivated John Brown who wouldn’t rest until
    he had his Armageddon.

    In Europe, the abuse of Church and State in France finally resulted
    in a Revolution.  That revolution led to the Napoleonic Wars that again
    devastated Europe and led to resentments that would cause the
    Franco-Prussian War of 1870 that kept the embers glowing for 1914 and
    beyond.  Meanwhile, in The Balkans the Austrian Hapsburg Empire
    conspired with the very Ottoman Turks they had fought even at the gates
    of Vienna for hundreds of years to suppress the Serbs, who had finally
    driven the Turks out of Serbia.  The Bosnian Serbs were betrayed by a
    brutal suppression in 1878.  The shocked Serbs had expected fellow
    Christians to support them against the Turks.  This bitterness led to
    the founding of a secret society called “The Black Hand.”  Grivilo
    Princip was a member.  Perhaps you can connect the dots from there.

    Even the bloody communist revolution in Russia has its cause in
    Church abuse.  The Romanov’s lorded and taxed an impoverished empire
    because the Church told them that they had a divine right to do it.  It
    also allowed the Orthodox Church its wealth and splendor as well.  So
    when the time came to “clean house” some people became fanatics, just
    like the French Revolution and the mid century revolts that were
    springing up all over Europe.  It must be remembered also, that the
    original revolutionists had more humanity than the Bolsheviks who
    wrested power from them, mainly through assassination plots.  Things
    like this happen when stability is lost and historical abuse creates
    fanatics.

    So when one takes the Olympian View of the circumspect historian, it
    is clear that religion and namely Christianity is responsible for not
    just witch and heretic trials with their sick, perverted torturing,
    hanging and burnings, but most if not all of the wars that have been
    really civil wars in Europe.  Today we can see that these wars have
    devastated  Europe so much that few Europeans have the will to defend
    themselves from foreign social invasion. 

    People like you who like to make snide little remarks as you have
    either don’t know or understand history, or do but don’t care about the
    truth.  My expressed opinions can be backed by qualified historical
    documentation.  Yours and far too many continually posted on these
    boards are based on self-mythologizing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Galonska/100000365443540 Stephanie Galonska

    I’m not interested in that.

    My parents/grandparents did not do what you’ve just accused them of doing, only my sister’s are guilty of that but they’re still not the ones who voted to make it that way.

    I’m not helping anyone.  There’s still too many “white” people around and until they’re cleaned out, the process will simply repeat.

  • kjh64

    Some on here have stated that christians have committed violence in the past. While that is true, christianity today commits little violence, with the exception of the occasional nut. Islam today is far more violent, aggressive and domineering than christianity is today. I mean when was the last time methodists hijacked a plane?   I’ll add that Timothy McVeigh did NOT do what he did in the name of chrisitianity as someone on here said. He was anti-government and did what he did for that reason.

    As for those that say the christians “asked for it” or “provoked it” that is nonsense. This is America and they have the right to peacefully protest wherever. The muslims had NO right to assault them. If the muslims don’t like the fact that one can criticize their religion, they should never have come here in the first place. I’m surprised some Whites on here basically stated that muslims shouldn’t be criticized ie. “provoked”. It’s this cowardice that is the problem with too many Whites.

    I realize that christian “love” and “charity” towards immigration is one part of the problems today and I disagree with their views on that. However, America was founded on judeo/christian principles and while I support seperation of church/state, I respect that. Islam is totally not compatible with the USA or any non-muslim nation and these muslims need to be sent back to their homeland. It is insane to allow muslims into our country.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

       Timothy McVeigh was an Odinist.

      An AR regular we all know and love has proposed Odinism as a “cure” for what ails us.

      Jus’sayin.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     NO, I am NOT Jewish.  I am Northern European, descended from Normans with a noted Norman companion of William the Conqueror in my direct ancestry.  I am descended on my maternal side from Thomas Carter, the first ordained minister in the American Colonies 1630.  Baffling, isn’t it?

    I just care about the facts.  I also am certain that all this exaggeration and blaming, going with the traditional Anti-Jewish hypocrisy has never and never will do whites any good in the long run.  This is partly because lying never creates a good basis for any successful endeavor and also because it is so easy to show white separatists, or race realists, whatever, to be hypocritical and woefully ignorant of well known history.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

     I thought you were French Canadian, or Jewish, or a white  southerner, or a Mayflower descendant, or…

    All of those things you have claimed to be through your years of posting to AR.