The Supreme Court Dodges the Big Issue
Jared Taylor, Special to AR News, June 29, 2009
Conservatives are heralding the Supreme Court’s decision in the Ricci case as a great victory—and it is true that the results of the New Haven firemen’s exam will be accepted and several whites will be promoted to lieutenant and captain. However, as Justice Anthony Kennedy conceded in his majority decision, the court dodged the central question of whether it is constitutional to discriminate against white people in the name of “fairness” for non-whites. This decision is not even half a loaf for whites—it’s only a few crumbs.
As Justice Antonin Scalia pointed out in a concurring opinion, today’s decision “merely postpones the evil day on which the Court will have to confront the [real] question,” namely whether “disparate impact” is legitimate grounds for throwing out employment standards.
The problem is this: In the 1971 Supreme Court decision of Griggs v. Duke Power and in the Civil Rights Act of 1991, our government decided that an employer can be guilty of racial discrimination even if he has absolutely no intention of discriminating. If he has a hiring criterion that is racially neutral in intent—but that weeds out more blacks than whites, that is to say, has a “disparate impact”—he is guilty of discrimination. The purest intentions are no defense. The employer’s hiring criteria are permitted to have a disparate impact only if he can prove that those criteria are a “business necessity” and that there are no other standards he could have used that would have weeded out fewer blacks.
That is a tall order. For example, many police departments used to have a rule that any ex-military man who wanted to be a cop had to have had an honorable discharge. Like so many qualifications, that weeded out more blacks than whites and was not, strictly speaking, a “business necessity” for hiring policemen. It’s probably a good idea to keep dishonorably discharged men off the force, and the rule could have been set up with no thought of race at all—but too bad. Since it kept out more blacks than whites the rule had to go.
The decision in the Ricci case turns on painfully narrow grounds: that the exam the New Haven fire department used was a racially unbiased test of skills that actually are required for fighting fires. The city claimed it wasn’t, and argued that it was obligated to throw out the results because so few blacks passed. The Court said the exam was fine, that the whites should get their promotions, and that blacks have no right to sue on “disparate impact” grounds.
The Court did one useful thing, however. It made it harder to junk test results because of “disparate impact” by saying there had to be a “strong basis in evidence” that the harm this did to whites was justified. But as Justice Ruth Ginsberg pointed out correctly—in what was otherwise a nasty dissent—all this does is set up yet another murky standard that will make it hard for employers to know what is legal and what is not.
Justice Samuel Alito, along with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, wrote a particularly interesting concurring opinion that was as much journalism as it was law. They noted that New Haven bureaucrats from Mayor John DeStefano on down claimed they had absolutely no desire to discriminate against white people but were acting only to ward off a suit by blacks who were sure to claim “disparate impact.” The justices described in detail, however, the pressure blacks put on the mayor, and how city government pretended to deliberate the question of “disparate impact” even though the mayor and his circle had already decided to throw out the test results for political reasons. As Justice Alito wrote:
“[A] reasonable jury could easily find that the City’s real reason for scrapping the test results was not a concern about violating the disparate-impact provision of Title VII [of the Civil Rights Act] but a simple desire to please a politically important racial constituency.”
The mayor and his pals were sleazy operators who didn’t give a hoot about either the law or the rights of white firemen. They wanted to please blacks. It is marvelous to have this kind of all-too-common behavior memorialized in a Supreme Court decision.
Of course, the problem of “disparate impact” will never go away. Any test that separates the competent from the incompetent has a disparate racial impact. Everyone knows this. However, it is part of today’s liberal mythology to insist that every racial and ethnic group has exactly the same abilities. Until the country and the Supreme Court accept this and recognize that fair tests have unequal results, there will be no end to this charade.
And we can be sure that every Supreme Court justice Barack Obama appoints will do his best to keep the charade running for decades to come.
(Posted on June 29, 2009)
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The fact is that if Whites had done the “right ” things years ago instead of the “white racist” thing, there would have beeen no need for affirmative action.
The fact is that many Whites are greedy, evil, self-rightoues bigots who think of no else but themselves!
I am not surprised at the “dodge” by the court. It is no different from the courts dodging the issue of massive unrelenting illegal immigration. Where the hell are they on this issue? For one thing, it is literally being allowed in violation of existing U.S. Immigration Law as established in 1986. The Supreme Court is useless to the taxpaying American citizenry, since all it does is cherry pick its decisions or what it wants to get involved in, even when we are talking about the most serious issues affecting the nation.
“we can be sure that every Supreme Court justice Barack Obama appoints will do his best to keep the charade running for decades to come.”
Exactly. It’s not much of a victory. Every private and public employer in the nation endorses diversity, which by all evidence means discrimination against, and the disparagement of, white men. I imagine social clubs endorse diversity too.
The rule employer’s hiring criteria are permitted to have a disparate impact only if he can prove that those criteria are a “business necessity” is flat wrong . It shifts the burden of proof from a job applicant to prospective employer by stipulating that in certain situations the applicant (why, say, failed an IQ test) is qualified unless proven otherwise by the employer. Moreover, it prohibits employer from using criteria that, although not absolutely necessary, would benefit his business.
Imagine what would happen if such a deceitful maneuver was applied in other areas. For instance, you cannot refuse to vote on a politician unless you prove that the objections you have against him are relevant to his performance if elected. Or, you cannot refuse to buy a particular model of a car (assuming that you are about to buy a new car) unless you prove that your dislike of it is relevant to its functional value for you, or that your reservations about car’s reputation have been substantiated by verifiable evidence. Or, you cannot repel an invasion unless you prove that it’s illegal and detrimental to your country (a stance that ACLU and Obama seem to be promoting.)
That would be an absurd situation. You would end up voting on people you disagree with and don’t trust just because you can’t prove that they will have detrimental effect on you and your country, or buying lemons just because you are not an expert that can point out the actual design flaws of the cars that they want you to buy, or, letting a banana republic conquer the U.S.
This is why we have this absurd situation where IQ tests as a condition for admission, employment, or appointment, have been de facto banned, which led to proliferation of decision makers with substandard IQ, who wreck America and its economy because they are not smart enough to make the right choices.
The only form of the “disparate effect” rule that could be acceptable in a civilized non-discriminatory society that bases its decision on truth and reason, is that employer’s hiring criteria are NOT permitted to have a disparate impact only if one can prove that those criteria are NOT FOR a “business BENEFIT” .
This is good news. My greatest fear is that the Rulers would decide that Whites had had enough, and that a time out was needed, to allow the Reds to consolidate their gains and the Whites to get accustomed to their new place in society. But the Court has made the narrowest of rulings, by the narrowest of margins, because they could hardly deny the “unfairness” of it all. The court was looking for a way out of this corner, and they found one, for now. The Long March will continue. New generations of Whites will get their chance to be sacrificed for diversity, and have the hard lesson crammed down their throats. We need Whites who are racially aware more than we need Whites who are fire captains.
Scalia is right-perhaps righter than he knows. We have
I was thinking about the ruling after it was announced this morning, and I wondered if it was possible, or likely, that blacks as a group might conspire to actually do poorly on these tests in order to have them thrown out or ultimately done away with. If so, it’s an ingenious scam.
If it’s true, what in the original ruling on disparate impact would prevent this from happening? Any minority could have their way simply by not working to achieve any position through effort. NOT studying would mean a guaranteed promotion.
Think about it. If you were a white man who wanted a promotion that was based on a test, you would work you butt off spending every free moment studying and doing extra work on your own. All your work and effort could be brushed aside by black men who didn’t study or make any extra or even nominal effort.
To me, this is a fatal flaw in allowing claims of disparate impact. After all, how does one prove that both blacks and whites put in the same effort to achieve? Whites could be punished for working harder than blacks and blacks could be rewarded for making little or no effort.
Bravo! Jared hits the nail on the head once again. The real story — the comments by Alito and Scalia — wasn’t reported in the MSM. They know that we must face the cact that any written exam of any value will discriminate in favor of the more intelligent and industrious — witness that dyslexic guy who listened to tapes in his car everyday — and against the less.
I submit that another useful outcome is the unmasking of Senora Sotomayor. If the Republicans have the cajones, so to speak, they can use this episode to alert the stupefied American populace to what is happening. (I’m not holding my breath!)
“When evening came, the owner called his foreman and told him, “Call the workers and pay them their wages, starting with those who were hired last and ending with those who were hired first.” The men who had begun to work at five o’clock were paid a silver coin each. So when the men who were first to be hired, at eight o’clock in the morning, came to be paid, they thought they would get more — but they too were given a silver coin each. They started grumbling against the employer … “These men who were hired last worked only one hour, while we put up with a whole day’s work in the hot sun … and you pay us the same!” The owner answered them, “I have not cheated you. I want to give this man who was hired last as much as I have given you. Don’t I have the right to do as I wish with my own money? Or are you jealous simply because I am generous?” (Matt. 20:8-16)
Substitute abilities, talents, and intelligence for amount of time worked, and you make this parable modern.
Christianity sees all men as equal, made in God’s image. Liberalism is metatastized Christianity, and still sees all men as equal.
Why not pay all the same? Why not give precedence to those who have not worked as hard? Why not reward incompetence, laziness, and dumbth, or at least see no differnce, as Ginsburg apparently does?
Jesus himself said that the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. And a little child shall lead them, etc. etc.
A recipe for total societal disaster.
Jared Taylor said it well.
They continue to dodge the issue because to reasonably and honestly discuss and conclude the issue is to so drastically upset their cherished apple-cart of a politically-correct dystopia; the abject, alice-in-wonderland denial of race differences.
However, it is part of today’s liberal mythology to insist that every racial and ethnic group has exactly the same abilities. Until the country and the Supreme Court accept this and recognize that fair tests have unequal results, there will be no end to this charade.
As much as the part related to “liberal mythology” is true, it’s less than certain that the “disparate impact” rule will be dismissed as soon as the Liberals become racial realists (unless Mr. Taylor meant his prediction in the sense of “until the hell freezes over”).
On the contrary, once the unequal outcomes are nationally accepted, some (many?) will use that fact as a compelling reason for federal oversight of the selection process so that it does not unduly discriminate against the less able. Just like it is the case with recognition of economic inequalities that led to establishment of federal programs that aim at protecting the “less fortunate”, despite a lack of clear constitutional bases for such a protection.
Hence, it seems more productive to reformulate the rule (resting the burden of proof with an applicant and not with the employer) rather than hoping it will go away one day.
The Supreme Court did this a few days ago — they said a strip search of a middle school student was unconstitutional, but then said she couldn’t sue the school. What will be the incentive for the school not to s/s again? A law is useless w/o a punishment. Likewise, what incentive will the New Haven FD have to hire the white firefighters if SCOTUS can’t make the ruling “ordering” them to do so have precedent?
Even if it did, Sotomayor is coming on the court this summer. The saving grace, at least on cases like these, is that her left-wing vote replaces Souter’s left-wing vote, so it’s a wash.
Taylor writes “it is part of today’s liberal mythology to insist that every racial and ethnic group has exactly the same abilities. Until the country and the Supreme Court accept that fair tests have unequal results, there will be no end to this charade.”
There will be no end to the liberal charade unless/until the public and the elites realize it is highly probable that cognitive ability is unevenly destributed amongst the races. If reason on this matter were to prevail,the debates about “disparate impact,” third-world immigration, welfare assistance to the poor and so many other topics would be radically different from the current egalitarian dogma that now poisons every discussion.
Alito: “…a simple desire to please a politically important racial constituency.”
Taylor: “Of course, the problem of ‘disparate impact’…”
Jared,
I’m not against using race science to understand our problems, but don’t you think the fact that blacks were considered a more “important racial constituency” than (ordinary) whites is the real problem here?
The real problem is that white elites, both Jews and Gentiles, have sided with non-whites against the interests of ordinary whites.
Right on Jared, especially the next to last paragraph. This same argument occurs in every discipline and it becomes so tedious. There will always be racially disparate test results as long as intelligence is racailly disparate and there is immense evidence that the latter is true. The ‘perfect’ qualification test will produce disparate results roughly in accordance with intelligence of the participants.
Society will never make progress on these problems if the reality of disparate capabilities is denied!
I think it outrageous that the Supreme Court decision was not unanimous. Clearly these exams tested for the level of firefighting knowledge and that is what is most important. The blacks in fire & police departments may have become lazy knowing that the results of their tests can be thrown out if not enough of them pass. Firebird group should be a ashamed of themselves threatening to sue if the results of that testing were not honored. No sense of shame anymore, just a “give it to me because I’m black” attitude seems to be the rule.
We need to get the words “disparate impact” — and the concept behind them — into the general vocabulary. We need white people to understand (and subsequently denounce) “disparate impact” with the ease and familiarity with which we now complain about “political correctness.”
Ditto the concept of “equality of opportunity, but NOT equality of outcome.” Explained properly, there’s barely a caucasian alive who wouldn’t agree with it.
Our people’s success in fighting off the Obamanation over the next few years will largely depend on to what degree we can penetrate the mainstream white population with the true anti-white nature of these two concepts: Disparate Impact and Equality of Outcome.
If our people can be made to understand what’s being done to them by just those two ideas, I believe most will join us.
But right now, unfortunately, that’s a BIG “if”!
The decision may buy us 5-10 years but Obama will appoint at least 3 more justices. Scalia is in his 70s. Thomas is in his late 50s but is grossly overweight in person.
Like so many things, affirmative action is just something whitey will have to live with.
SO many of the issues we care about at amren.com have been nullified b changing demographics. I don’t even vote anymore as the GOP just gives us Obama-lite. Better the full-blown black racism of the Democrats.
I mentioned this in comments to the other Ricci article. City governments will be unhappy about this case and will not change their attitudes about integration. So, my guess is that they are going to figure out that their best bet is to make quotas legal. Then, they can just mandate some percentage of the people promoted be minorities. Since Bakke, governments have tried to get the results of quotas without the law allowing them, so they will now probably move to make quotas legal.
“The fact is that many Whites are greedy, evil, self-righteous bigots who think of no else but themselves!”
There comes a time in the life of beatin down sad soul when that is all they can think about, oneself. This is true about a great number of whites. There’s no need to then punish them further about it.
Blacks fail the intelligent test because the blacks who are smart enough to pass the test and get good marks on a fireman’s promotion test have all been Affirmative Actioned up the career ladder to lawyers, professors, doctors, and President of the United States.
We have seen enough of President Obama to know that he is above average in intelligence, (IQ +100), but not by any stretch of the imagination is he smarter than a good fireman. So instead of blacks like Obama and AG Holder being a credit to their race as good fireman, they are out of their league as top politicians where they do no good for any one.
Dear brother of truth: you absolutely right. If whites had not brought black slaves here in the first place, we would not be burdened with their incompetence, dependency and dysfunction. This generation of whites is paying for the sins of its forefathers.
we need a EUROPEAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT:
haven’t you ever wondered why we hear incessantly about African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Mexican-Americans, but never about European Americans??
many white Americans have reached the ultimate insanity:
we’re still trying to square the circle on racial ability, which always involves elaborate lying.
pretending that you don’t know that blacks and Hispanics are less intelligent than whites is still the ultimate litmus test for being an “enlightened human being” in America.
until whites regain a sense of themselves, this nonsense will continue.
having the highest average intelligence and having developed the most advanced civilization and world history is nothing to be ashamed of.
the less advanced races have two weapons:
1) our misdirected guilt
2) the capacity to breed faster.
in the first case, we need simply to clear our minds of rubbish.
in the second, to mass immigration and eliminate financial incentives for the less advanced races to read more quickly than Europeans and European Americans.
one standard for all, with the burden on African-Americans to demonstrate to us that they’re able to function according to civilized standards.
It’s strange how, for some reason, AA doesn’t seem to apply to the crewing of ICBM nuclear submarines.
from the article - “However, as Justice Anthony Kennedy conceded in his majority decision, the court dodged the central question of whether it is constitutional to discriminate against white people in the name of “fairness” for non-whites.”
I support the continued existence of disparate impact framework. It is undisguised, naked anti white discrimination without even the pretense of fairness. It is hard to imagine a better issue to mobilize around.
For example in the Griggs Case the company in question did NOT require its employees to have a high school diploma. All they asked was you have a high school diploma, but if you did not have that you could ask to take an IQ test as a substitute to show you had some minimal level of functional intelligence. If you failed that you could still work for the company but you could only do menial labor (which is all you would be fit for obviously).
Obviously the Court deemed this extremely flexible and accommodating hiring scheme as totally unfair—after all uneducated low IQ workers deserve the same chance to enjoy high paying prestigious jobs that hard working intelligent college educated workers do.
What the not so well disguised intent of such rulings and absurd legal theories is to impose a new forms of affirmative action that are more insidious and harder to combat then blunt quotas.
Basically “disparate impact” gives any racial group or individual anywhere in virtually any situation a cause of action to shake down any private or government employer anywhere.
All companies everywhere are now forced to operate with in effect a gun pointed at their head, knowing they can be sued for just about anybody for any imagined grievance they are forced to “promote diversity”, hire six figure Michelle Obama type “affirmative action coordinators”, participate in minority only job fairs etc.
“…The fact is that many Whites are greedy, evil, self-rightoues bigots who think of no else but themselves!…”
Would that we had been greedy, evil and self-righteous (did you take note of the spelling of ‘righteous’?)—we should have kept our innovations and inventions to ourselves and not generously, stupidly, shared our First-World technology and First-World medicine with non-Whites such as you.
You denigrate and debase Whites while YOU live in the world WE evil Whites created. How about giving up the things those bigoted Whites invented starting with the White-created computer you’re using to insult us.
Look around you and try to find something moving that wasn’t invented by an evil, self-righteous White person. How about trying to live without the things all those ‘bigoted’ ‘greedy’ Whites gifted to the world? You’d be living under a log eating bugs within two weeks.
How about giving up first-world medicine that those nasty Whites created and then generously shared with non-Whites? Next time you need to go to the hospital, need surgery, need your kids vaccinated—stop yourself! Those things were created by evil Whites! You wouldn’t want to make use of them would you? Next time you need to travel somewhere by air, using jet propulsion— stop yourself! Those jets, hell all air travel, are White-created. How about giving up your car? You wouldn’t want to make use of an internal-combustion engine created by those self-righteous Whites, would you? Also, need to toss out your refrigerator, your dental fillings, your clocks, and your water heater.
How about ditching your big-screen plasma screen, your cell phone, your air conditioning, iPod and other devices Whites created so you could live in comfort?—all the while you whine about us FOR WANTING JUSTICE IN THE COUNTRY WE CREATED.
While we’re at it—how about not insisting in living in our neighborhoods? So many of you hate us, yet you fall all over each other trying to live around us—and then turn our neighborhoods into instant hell-holes such as Detroit, which as I’m sure you know, was once a beautiful White city. Why can’t you create your own clean and safe neighborhoods?
AA, preferences, set-asides and quotas were created solely to elevate NAMs, especially blacks, who cannot compete with Whites due to average group IQs of 85.
We won’t hire you, you say? Well, start your own businesses! The government will generously grant you small business loans, not available to us, admissions to colleges through preferences and special unearned scholarships, not available to us, unearned promotions, not available to us, jobs and careers that you are not qualified for, as we must be.
You are even able to stand up openly in public and loudly proclaim how evil, greedy, bigoted, and self-righteous we Whites are and even garner applause for saying such. Yet if I were to openly complain about the huge number of Whites killed by blacks each year, your lower group IQ of 85 and smaller cranial size (for which there is a lot of undisputed scientific proof), I would lose my job, my pension and quite possibly my life. And yet you believe the advantages you receive are fair.
We throw opportunities at your feet, using our technology and innovations— and at our expense., things we Whites are forced to pay for—and yet you still cannot compete with us, so therefore you must debase us.
What do you think the world would be like if we Whites simply vanished and TOOK OUR INVENTIONS WITH US? These pictures from the ruins of Detroit will give you a small sample:
http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet4b.htm
So quit your whining. You will find no sympathy here.
Bon
The problem with “disprate impact” is it incorrectly assumes that statistical outcomes equate to equal outcomes. In fact, statistics deals with the distribution of outcomes. Further in test based results, unequal results do not necessarily indicate ethnic/cultural/racial bias. With properly designed tests, there are other reasons for disparities including test preparedness, professional experience, and depending on the material intelligence. Further with small sample sizes the distribution can become very skewed by a few very well or a few unprepared takers. I have not yet seen a statistical analysis article regarding the New Haven test. Nor how it is able to discriminate blacks from Hispanics, nor from any other non-black group for that matter.
22 Kenelm Digby: I suppose that the Rulers are afraid that naval officers would resign if forced to crew the subs with inferior sailors. Aside from the military disruption, that would force the issue front and center: Are Blacks inferior? When you’ve got Admirals quitting or Captains refusing to sail with incompetent reactor operators, it won’t be enough for the MSM to point fingers and shout Racist! Too many people, including liberals, know the racial score even if they can’t admit it. The last thing the Reds want is that honest discussion of race that they pretend to seek. Racism is their only real weapon, sexism and the environment and free medical care are only sidearms.
There is only one solution to this racial problem, and it is total and complete geographic separation.
I think most AR readers who truly understand the dynamics of what has and is going on in the White Western nations also understand that minorities are never, ever going to wake up one day and say “Hey, Okay! We have had enough affirmative action. We’re now the majority, so it isn’t fair to the white minority. We’ll do away with these discriminatory programs and policies.”
Any white individual who believes that this will eventually happen, may as well choose a non-white for a mate and get busy blending their genetic lineage into extinction - because that is where that kind of thinking is leading.
As I said, total and complete geographic separation. Not segregation, SEPARATION. This should and must be the #1 objective of every racially awake and racially healthy white American.
I’ll withhold my celebtration, thank you. When it takes 93 pages of gobbledy-gook to reach a 5-4 decision on a question that requires nothing more than common sense, there is no reason to celebrate. It is only further proof of why our society has failed Whites.
1 — brother of truth wrote at 6:28 PM on June 29:
The fact is that many Whites are greedy, evil, self-rightoues bigots who think of no else but themselves!
This is what we are really up against.
I even see it at websites like VDARE, and not just VDARE.
“Justice delayed is justice denied…”
Help defend your grandchildren by supporting the fight for white equal rights now.
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When the Griggs case was litigated, IQ tests were banned. Companies than turned to requiring a “college degree” for jobs that formerly did not. This has had the effect of denying many qualified whites WITHOUT degrees while enabling the “affirmative action” blacks who attended colleges under affirmative action.
To “former Discipler” who scathingly complained that liberalism is like a cancerous form of Christianity. What Jesus was referring to was personal salvation. The vineyard workers who got a denarius for working just one hour as those who worked all day, means all got spiritual salvation ie: would go to Heaven. It has nothing to do with work abilities etc. The New Testament also says: “God is not unjust; He will reward you for your work.” Liberalism/Leftism is a phony, mocking, and monstrous, counterfeit heresy of Christianity. It is NOT Christianity at all.
We haven’t even felt the full impact of the interation of post-1965 immigration policy and affirmative action. There are millions of post-1965 hispanics,africans-nigerians and ghanans-and asians who will qualify for affirmative action.
In the near future many more Native Born White Males are going to experience affirmative action discrmination. But they only have themselves to blame. They should have seen it comming. Frank Ricci can blather on all he wants about hard work and individualism. When Native Born White Americans become a racial minority within the borders of America, post-1965 nonwhites will force affirmative action on Native Born White Americans with a vengeance. I advise Frank Ricci and the other defendants in this case to start thinking racially as soon as possible…and follow the logical policy consequences of thinking racially such as shutting all nonwhite immigration down to 0 and deporting the 12-20 million non-white illegal aliens.
The courts will not protect Native Born White Males when Native Born White Males become a racial minority within the borders of America. When a majority of judges are hispanic,black and asians…Native Born White Males will expereince legally sanctioned racial discrimination on permanent basis.
To Beaumont, # 36:
Those who have studied the Eastern disciplines believe that the silver coin that the workers were paid with, is Self-Realization.
After all, Christian salvation is supposedly free, but these men were working. It takes some many years to reach Self-Realization; it takes others only a few weeks or months. But, in the end, you earn it.
Eastern disciplines state that work is indeed involved in Self-Realization, and the vinyard is one’s own consciousness.
I think we can both agree that spiritual parables were never meant to be an economic policy.
Liberalism is the bastard child of a contorted union of science and Christianity—it does not understand the spiritual things.
Schoolteacher wrote……….”I suppose that the Rulers are afraid that naval officers would resign if forced to crew the subs with inferior sailors. Aside from the military disruption, that would force the issue front and center…When you’ve got Admirals quitting or Captains refusing to sail with incompetent reactor operators, it won’t be enough for the MSM to point fingers and shout Racist! “
After all, how many jobs are out there there for ex-admirals? How many positions are seeking those with nuclear reactor or submarine experience? I don’t think the Navy is very worried. Obviously it isn’t.
[PS. I agree completely with Luke. He has the only practical, humane, and long-term solution: complete geographical separation. Anything else - laws and all the rest — are just a temporary, makeshift arrangement staving off the inevitable. If we spoke different languages, it would be all the better. Vive la difference! The more differences, the more separation.]
Jupiter wrote —- We haven’t even felt the full impact of the interation of post-1965 immigration policy and affirmative action.
I advise Frank Ricci and the other(s) to start thinking racially as soon as possible…and follow the logical consequences of thinking racially — such as shutting down all nonwhite immigration to 0, and deporting the 12-20 million non-white illegal aliens.
When Native-Born White Americans become a racial minority, post-1965 nonwhites will force affirmative action on Native-Born White Americans with a vengeance.
As for advising Frank Ricci to start “thinking racially” … that is an important step, a big step, but also very hard for many to do. It is the one forbidden thing that a lifetime of training and propaganda have conditioned him/them NOT to do. Racial thinking is (for whites) absolutely verboten. It requires a complete mental re-adjustment, and a willingness to defy society’s norms and think for one’s self. Not easy for many.
Who was it again that the city blamed for threatening trouble?http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/aldermen/index.asp them now, could it?
39 Anonymous: Ex Navy officers have plenty of places to go, at much higher pay. They also have their pensions if they’ve got 20 years in, as anyone of the rank of Captain would. They all have post graduate degrees from civilian universities or the equivalent from service schools, and are snapped up by large corporations when they retire.
They stay in because they love the Navy, not because they have no other options. I don’t know how bad it would have to be before they’d quit, but how would you feel about getting on an airplane when you knew the pilot was substandard? What would you do if you knew that a reactor operator on your sub couldn’t do the job? At what point does an officer realize that it’s no longer his Navy, just as so many of us have realized that this is no longer our government?
Of course, there are the political officers, the ones who have gone along with affirmative action in aviation for example. They conceal the incompetence of the AAs by giving them the easiest missions and the most capable subordinates, but there are limits to that, and the political officers know it. When Kara Hultgreen crashed an F-14 on her 7th attempt to land, everyone knew that political correctness was the cause.
As far as I know, the military has avoided filling it’s elite units, like submarines or Special Forces, with incompetents. They have centuries of experience of making do with the people they have, so sticking dumb people of any color into slots where that can’t do too much damage and might get something worthwhile accomplished is simply part of the job. That they have so far succeeded in resisting affirmative action in these elite units tells me that the politicians dare not push any harder, because surely, the Reds would turn the military into the armed wing of the SPLC and the ADL if they could. Throughout history, around the world, generals and their armies have seized control of nations and empires. One of the great concerns of the Founders was the danger of a standing army. The fact is, the Pentagon has the power to turn this government out tomorrow, if they chose to. The Reds do not want to force that choice on them. I wonder how Obama’s Marxist Militia, whatever it’s called, the civilian force “as well equipped as the military”, fits into this?
but there are limits, and the political officers know it. When Kara Hultgreen crashed an F-14 on her 7th attempt to land, everyone knew that political correctness was the cause.
..Thank you very much for this! I never heard of her, nor of the incident, so I had to look it up. Yes, indeed, there was a very bizarre situation, to say the least — the epitome of Political Correctness gone mad.
[After repeated atempts at landing], the Radar Intercept Officer (RIO) in the rear seat initiated ejection for himself and Hultgreen, as soon as it was apparent that the aircraft was becoming uncontrollable. … the RIO survived.
However, by the time Hultgreen’s seat fired 0.4s later, the plane had rolled past the horizontal, and she was ejected downward into the water. She was killed instantly.
On November 12 —- 19 days after the crash, the Navy salvaged the plane and recovered her body … in 3,700 feet of water. She was buried in Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors. [!!!]
Investigation: As is standard practice, separate Judge Advocate General (JAG) and Naval Safety Center Mishap investigations were conducted. The JAG report cited mechanical malfunction as the primary cause, and this became the official Navy position to the public.
The Mishap Investigation Report (MIR), however, came to a different conclusion, citing pilot error as the primary factor. Navy MIRs are rarely made public. Rumors abounded that the investigation had found pilot error to be a contributing factor, DESPITE a Navy press release to the contrary. The privileged report was later leaked by someone with access to it.”
I had to pass through the County I live in’s administrative offices last week and realized that room after room of hundreds of desks lacked so much as even a single white male. I applied for several of those jobs but was turned down for all of them though I have 20 years experience, an MBA, a bachelor of science, and a good resume. Third year of unemployment now. It looks to me like my County just does not hire white males as a rule.
43 gwh: As a rule, Navy personnel lost at sea are regarded as appropriately buried, and no attempt is made to recover their bodies. But Kara Hultgreen was special, so they spent a couple million looking for her. Understand, having ejected, she was not in the aircraft, it was not a matter of salvaging something from the aircraft, they simply wanted her corpse in Arlington.
