What Waco Biker Shootout Suggests About Race in America

Harry Bruinius, Christian Science-Monitor, May 20, 2015

The shootout in Waco, Texas, Sunday between two outlaw biker gangs that left nine members dead has led to a controversial question: What if they had been black?

In the immediate aftermath of a shooting that a local police sergeant called “the worst crime scene, the most violent crime scene I have ever been involved in”–and which involved gang members shooting at police–photos show the gang members sitting at their ease, texting, near police officers. Some ask if that would have been the case if the rival gangs had been in some big city, dressed in gang colors and hoodies, having brass-knuckled, stabbed, and shot at each other–and police.

Media coverage has featured little talk about absent fathers or whether subcultures of violence and masculinity are bred in the type of restaurant where the shootout took place, which features waitresses with ample cleavage and barely-there shorts. Would that have been true if it had happened at a hip-hop gathering or an urban strip club?

To many, such attempts to compare the melée in Waco with the civil unrest in Baltimore or New York or Ferguson, Mo., strains reason and evidence. What happened in Waco was in no way a riot. It was a deadly bar fight, plain and simple.

But even that view speaks to how different communities can see the same event differently, say others. It points to “selectively biased concern,” says  Aram Sinnreich, professor of journalism and media studies at Rutgers University’s School of Communication and Information in New Brunswick, N.J. In other words, Waco reveals the way people’s cultural background influences their perceptions of crime and violence–from a mass shooting by a white gunman in Aurora, Colo., to violent protests after the deaths of a black man in Baltimore.

{snip}

But the problems of black communities in some ways remain opaque to many white Americans, leading to concern, when violence breaks out, about single parenthood, the glorification of “thug life,” and overtly sexual lyrics of some hip hop music. Sen. John Cornyn (R) of Texas said after the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore: “Liberals, admit it: Baltimore riots are part of a story of absent fathers.”

Those are legitimate concerns. But that concern is often not reciprocated for similar aspects of white culture, some media analysts say.

“When white people commit violence, they are typically framed by the media as discrete events that are only reflections on the individuals who are central to them,” says Sinnreich. “When black people commit violence, the media typically covers it as an indictment of the symptoms plaguing black Americans overall.”

{snip}

Topics: , ,

Share This

We welcome comments that add information or perspective, and we encourage polite debate. If you log in with a social media account, your comment should appear immediately. If you prefer to remain anonymous, you may comment as a guest, using a name and an e-mail address of convenience. Your comment will be moderated.
  • Here we go again. Short answer: The outlaw bikers represent a very small percentage of the White population, and even then, they did not target innocent bystanders. Convicted felons represent a majority of young black males. And blacks make up over half of our murderers and their victims are often innocent bystanders. And blacks cross racial boundaries to commit their crimes, unlike any other race. So, yes, I AM more concerned about the criminality of blacks than I am about outlaw bikers.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Whenever a white commits a violent crime that makes the news the leftards jump up and down howling “See that? This incident proves ALL races have the same rates of crime and violence!”

      • SoulInvictus

        Hey now, that’s racist.

        We’ll have none of that here my good sir.

      • Greg Thomas

        Yeah…while completely ignoring the nightly shoot outs the mexicans and blacks engage in across the country.

        • Cid Campeador

          You mean intra- racial I assume.

      • Charles Martel

        The facts coming out make it look like a non crime that the cops went nuts on.

        • John Smith

          The MSM will drop coverage as it looks like it doesn’t fit the “white thug” narrative they’ve been peddling.

          • Weisheit77

            It will go out of the news faster than the leftard who blew away the Muslims a few months ago.

        • Henry Ford

          It was mass murder by cops. That’s why they won’t let us see the footage.

      • DiversityIsDeath

        No, the clever leftists don’t say “ALL races have the same rates of crime and violence” because they know damn well that’s an easily disprovable lie. What they do instead is make the childish claim that “ALL races commit crimes”. This vague, meaningless statement is enough to convince the ignorant masses into believing that Whites are as violently criminal as blacks.

        • Sid Ishus

          If only Whites were as violent. The way Blacks and Hispanics claim territory is through violence. Whites quietly pack their bags and move while smiling and mumbling about better schools.

          • Cid Campeador

            You sure as HELL nailed THAT!
            We are soon going to be climbing obediently onto the boxcars while hoping for the best.

      • Cid Campeador

        But we can’t ignore the fact the interracial crimes are mostly perpetrated by Blacks .

    • Bo_Sears

      The odd thing that most don’t appreciate is that when the hammer comes down, our defensive troops will be these fellows. Korean Americans will not come out with rifles as they did in LA, nor will the police as they did not do in LA. We’ll be on our own with the fighting kin to initially set up defenses, etc.

    • Who Me?

      “they did not target innocent bystanders”–John R, above
      *****************
      Actually, I don’t believe blacks intentionally target innocent bystanders either–they just can’t shoot straight and innocent bystanders are the collateral damage. (It’s rather hard to aim correctly and shoot a moving target whilst holding the firearm sideways in “gansta style’.)

      • They don’t? Then bring your White self around to Baltimore when the crowds of urban “yoofs” are out “protesting.”

      • Cid Campeador

        Not intentionally perhaps, but they don’t GIVE a “Rat’s Ass”. I remember an incident in Phila. were an ice cream man was shot, pulled out of his truck and thrown in the street. The thieves ran and a crowd gathered looking down at the dead victim who had been gut shot. They stood around and commented while laughing riotously at statements such as “Maybe he din put unnuff sprinkles on duh ice cream.”

    • Charles Martel

      It turns out that not only was the meeting except for the Cossaks a regular annual political get together with no previous problems but at least 115 of the 170 of the arrested bikers had no police records. All people killed where killed by cops firing thousands of rounds. Also police included in the list of gangs a fake one used in a movie by Clint Eastwood and an Orangutan Named Clyde. Proof available at conservative tree house.

      • Jo

        Yes, the Black Widow MC which is nonexistent. Waco police say the Bandidos and Black Widows are receiving military equipment, hand grenades, etc., from active military members to retaliate. Is that believable?

        • Charles Martel

          Fast&Furious

          • Jo

            But those guns were not from ‘active military members.’ ATF intentionally allowed licensed gun dealers to sell weapons to illegal buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them.

        • Spikeygrrl

          As a military wife I’d like to say no. But in good conscience I cannot, after reading all the excuse-making here at AmRen.

          My husband is my probe into the military mind. He currently works in a tight little group of Commissioned Officers and NCOs who oversee a major all-branches A-School: both the junior enlisteds enrolled in it and the COs/NCOs who teach it. This gives him access to a very wide slice of the military demographic. When I alert him to an issue he is VERY good at dropping it into casual conversation (if it isn’t already a hot topic). Check back with me in a week or so and I will have much more to tell you.

          • Jo

            Excuse making? For bikers not involved in the shootout? Or for police?

          • Weisheit77

            The latter, it appears.

    • Light from the East

      In prison, those who commit rape, assault, or kill innocent citizens are considered the worst kind of filth in the eye of members of organized gang or mafia. Mafia does have rules about money, dealings, using of weapons, status ranking, etc. Normally, if you don’t do business with them, they won’t touch you at all. But it is true that some low IQ, EQ individuals possess a bigger threat for a normal citizen.

    • carriewhite64

      The white community at large does not rush to the defense of white criminals.

      • Spikeygrrl

        They sure do here. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Disgusting.

        • carriewhite64

          That reaction is understandable and predictable on a site such as this. I get that. I have not involved myself in the discussions of this particular case because I’m pretty much a wait-and-see-what-really happened gal. And I’ve seen that reaction in the majority of the editorial pieces I’ve read, let’s wait and see. But I completely understand the reflexive defense and skepticism of the whole narrative of the incident.

        • Weisheit77

          68% percent had no previous record. Riding a motorcycle is not a crime. Are you mentally obtuse?

          • Spikeygrrl

            Let’s get the usual caveats out of the way first, shall we? Of course there are some few biker gangs whose membership is restricted to, say, firefighters or Marines, and whose intentions are innocent…or even charitable.

            But MOST biker gangs are criminal (whether or not they get away with their crimes), violent (to them, violence is a badge of honor), uneducated, ill-spoken, have the personal hygeine of hyenas, sell and chronically abuse hard street drugs (e.g., methamphetimines) … and speaking of chronic abuse, what they do to their women makes me so sick I can’t even bear to write it down.

            I once hired as my Administrative Assistant a young woman who was an ex-“biker chick” trying to build a decent new life for herself and her young son. She had applied to company after company after company, and gotten turned down time after time after time when they learned her history. I took her on as a six-month probationary hire — which I had to defend right to the wall with our CEO, to whom I reported directly — and never regretted that decision. She was not the brightest bulb on the marquee, but earnest and hardworking and conscientious to a fault, because she was utterly determined to put the nightmare of biker gang life behind her.

            At first she was reticent…but during some of those marathon, after-hours projects, the stories came out. Not just what was done to her, but also what biker gangs consider “all in a day’s work.” Hideous. Terrifying.

            So get off your high horse and quit defending these subhuman thugs just because they’re White. You can be better than that. ALL OF US HERE can — and should — be better than that.

          • DonReynolds

            I agree with you. I lived in Texas for ten years and the Banditos are not a bunch of white-collar types who ride Honda Goldwings on weekends. The Banditos are a criminal outlaw biker gang. Yes, they are violent and yes, they traffic in guns and drugs.

          • Spikeygrrl

            THANK YOU.

            I am a very new Texan — DH & I plan to retire and die here — but even though I won’t earn my Stetson for YEARS yet, I learned enough about biker gangs in NY/NJ and SoCal (I hated even driving through Hemet, criminal biker gangs OWN that town) to know that I WANT THEM THE FARK OUTTA MY STATE!!!

          • Spikeygrrl

            My last reply got yanked so I’ll try it again more politely:

            I am a very new Texan, but DH & I have been planning for over a decade to retire and die here. And I learned enough about lawless biker gangs in both NY/NJ and SoCal (don’t even stop for gas in Hemet; meth-producing bikers OWN that town) to know that I do NOT appreciate their presence in Texas!

            I own a gun now, and am learning how to use it.

          • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

            Good for you Cowperson! Shot all you can.

          • ElComadreja

            You’re dead on target. I knew many of them in my younger days. Good people to avoid.

        • baldridge999

          Many of these bikers aren’t white. I looked closely at some of the news photos. Many of the bikers are obviously Latino. Hell, one Bandito who was arrested was a black retired police detective! And no he wasn’t an undercover cop.

          I don’t make excuses for white criminals. I think 99% of people are in prison because they deserve to be there.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      True, except that the bikers typically choose public places where innocents can get hurt.

  • David Ashton

    Living in Britain I have seen only a few pictures of the bikers. Some were quite definitely NOT “white”. Some “white” ones looked like mugshots from Lombroso’s gallery of deformed deviant born criminals.

    • B.E.L.

      Of the photos I have seen, especially the large one with dozens of mugshots, I counted about six hispanic looking bikers. The majority of the criminals involved in this were white.

      But, John R. in the post below this one explains it fairly well, the white outlaw bikers represent a very small percentage of the white population. So people of color…..here’s your chance…..get your digs in……yes there are white criminals. Hooray for you.

      • David Ashton

        Not many of them had the manifestation of character and intelligence shown by your icon.

      • Chip Carver

        Yes, there were a number of hispanics there (more than a half dozen) but no doubt they had gone astray because they were tricked into a life of crime by racist, opportunistic Whites.

      • Charles Martel

        actually before this cop overreaction at least 115 of the 170 of the arrested bikers had no police records.

      • Jo

        From photos and names, there were 42 non-Whites, 38 Hispanics, 4 blacks, possibly black/Hispanic. One was a black retired San Antonio policeman for 32 years.

        117 of the 170 arrested did not have a criminal background. Also arrested besides Bandidos and Cossacks were bikers from a Viet Nam MC, and Christian Honorbound Motorcycle Ministry that were not involved. One a minister from the Christian club.

        Many of the bikers had jobs. For example, one worked for FedEx, another a service manager at a Chevrolet dealership, and customer service rep at Penske. Your FedEx delivery guy might be a member of a club.

        This had been a meeting of the Texas Confederation of Clubs & Independents held at this restaurant 7 times previously with no problems.
        I think we as Whites need to make sure innocent White bikers whose only intentions were to attend a meeting are treated fairly. So far, I haven’t seen that.

        • John Smith

          This was racial profiling.

          • Jo

            Guilty!

          • John Smith

            By the police, of white motorcycle club members.

        • Henry Ford

          Mass murder by cops. White lives don’t matter.

      • Henry Ford

        Thugs or not, they didn’t deserve to die.

  • MrBiIIGoode .

    Statistically how often has this type of biker gang violence occured? Once a decade?

    Talk about “wagging the dog!” LOL!!!

    • Charles Martel

      Conservative treehouse is covering this more like Ruby Ridge. Everyone killed was killed by cops shooting over a thousand rounds. It was a annual event with no problems before.

      • Henry Ford

        This is what I suspected from the start. I valiantly tried to deal with the idiots on yahoo after the story first broke. The posts went like this; stupid ugly old white men acting like teenagers, glad they’re dead, they deserved it, thank God for the cops, bikers are evil, white men suck, etc.
        I figured, correctly, that some rowdy biker started a fight so the cops slaughtered a bunch of innocent white guys who happen to ride scooters.
        It make me very sad to see that white lives really DON’T matter.

        • Weisheit77

          I’ve seen that, too, from the Faux News crowd, as if every white guy should be a pocket protector having, bird chested, bald guy with a belly and a comb over. These were men with jobs and families.

    • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

      Sorry off topic, but is that you in your pic?

      • MrBiIIGoode .

        Yes.

        • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

          You look like a guy I went to high school with, he lent me a book by Germany’s most notorious man. That’s why I asked…

        • Xanthippe2

          Put on a shirt, you harlot!

  • ncpride

    With new details emerging from this, and families of the bikers beginning to talk, I don’t buy the police version of events. Don’t believe a single one of the dead bikers had a criminal history whatsoever, and our local news even admitted at least half of those bikers were gunned down by police. Wouldn’t be surprised if they ALL were. I’m usually on the side of law enforcement, but this stinks. They didn’t hesitate to shoot, and let’s face it here, because they were just a bunch mostly White males.

    • Xanthippe2

      Actually, it seems that the trouble makers (especially those making trouble for non-bikers) were Mexican. The media on the other hand pictured mostly Whites to create the false impression that biker crime is a White problem. You could be right about more Whites being shot, as it is certainly more politically acceptable for police to shoot Whites than any other ethnic group.

    • listenupbub

      Interesting. I’d like to see more news on the story.

      • Charles Martel

        (the conservative tree house) has a lot of coverage of it

      • Xanthippe2

        There was an informative, if not good, that would be impossible, article on SF Gate (the SF Comical). It mentioned that the Banditos have many connections to the Zetas and cross between the U.S. and Mexican “border.”

        Of course it also mentioned explained that the Banitos were founded by a White guy (by giving his name and photo) and explained that their logo was based on the long retired “Frito Bandito.”

        Creation of the Frito Bandito character was of course a horrid racist hate crime against Mexicans. Nevertheless, he seems to have enthusiastically adopted by the now Mexican and not White Bandito Motorcycle Gang.

        Also note that members of outlaw motorcycle gangs tend to spend time in prison and prison is very much divided on racial grounds.

    • Henry Ford

      Exactly, the cops have no fear of killing white men.

      • ncpride

        As another story recently on AmRen revealed. The cop actually admitted they were ‘relieved’ the guy they had to shoot and kill was White. Sad part is, it was a White cop who made that statement…..they have won in my opinion when we have our own saying such things.

  • Ronald

    “…Waco reveals the way people’s cultural background influences their perceptions of crime and violence…”

    This would seem to be only a temporary problem. Thanks to the ongoing efforts of the cultural distorters’ traditional American culture is being changed into one where State thought control reduces everyone to the lowest common denominator.

    • Xanthippe2

      Conflict between races and cultures has occurred all through human history whenever they are in contact with each other; it is not exactly temporary.

  • dd121

    From a source that promotes neither Christianity nor science,

    • LHathaway

      lol, they’re much better than most publications, but good slam.

  • LHathaway

    “When white people commit violence, they are typically framed by the media as discrete events that are only reflections on the individuals who are central to them”

    This is insane, there is not a single event in the news, ever, that is not meant to condemn all Whites for their racism, to ‘instill in them a conscience’. Not a frat party goes by, or an article about Black prenatal nutrition appears, that does examine all events only as they pertain to their ill effects on people of color, with no other consideration given. I think the rock group Iron Maiden wrote a song where even something like ‘agent orange’ in Vietnam was meant to indict Whites. I think the line went, “the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you”.

    • Xanthippe2

      Totally insane. If someone puts on the vest of a motorcycle organization, outlaw gang or otherwise, he considers it an important part of his identity. So does anyone else who sees him.

      • LHathaway

        lol, ‘put some English on the ball’

      • LHathaway

        Sometimes violence is condemned and seen as awful, sometimes violence is condoned and considered normal or deserved.

  • Jason Lewis

    What the Waco Shootout suggest about race? I thought about this when I watched moments after the shots were over the scene roped off by police. Bodies were covered with tarps. About two hundered bikers were corralled and sat down and followed police orders. No overly emotional women broke thru the crime scene tape to make a specticle and have police hold them back. Traffic was diverted in a orderly fashion from the area. Suspects were arrested and went to jail peacefully. How much different would it have beein in Ferguson and Baltimore?

    • John Smith

      No preachers came out to tell us what “good boys” they all were….

    • Henry Ford

      If the bikers had been black? Teary protestations that they were dindus, candlelight vigils singing, “We shall overcome,” Jackson and Sharpton braying for a federal investigation, and then a monument on Capital Hill.

    • Spikeygrrl

      And that makes everything OK????
      There is NO excuse for the behavior of those criminals. NONE.

      Sorry to pick on you, Mr. Lewis — you are clearly not alone in your opinion — but I mean this to address everyone here who is, UNBELIEVABLY, actually DEFENDING these murderous low-lifes.

      Didn’t y’all’s Mommas teach you, “Don’t sink to their level” or you lose the moral high ground? These White thugs have pulled the rug out from under even the most rational critique of Negro bad behavior. No longer can Whites say, “But WE don’t do that!”

      It would appear that yes, we DO do that. A plague on both your Houses.

      • Weisheit77

        Some men have fully functioning testicles which produce testosterone which makes them do dangerous things, but I wouldn’t expect an invalid female to understand that. The vast majority had no prior offenses. One that was killed was a ex-Marine, but I suppose you would rather have a military that wears high heels.

        • Spikeygrrl

          1) How are my opinions invalid? I have just as much right to them as you have to yours. Neither of us, however, have a right to our own FACTS. And the FACTS are that two or more biker gangs had a lethal shoot-out in a restaurant parking lot. ADDITIONAL facts may come to light, but THESE facts cannot be denied any more than the FACT that Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown.

          2) Your characterization of the U.S. Military is beneath contempt. My career military husband has deployed four times so far with Marines as a “Doc” (specially certified Navy combat medic), three of those times to Ramadi, Iraq: heart of the infamous Sunni Triangle, and recently retake by ISIS. He has been up to his elbows in a buddy’s torso, and tying off tourniquets above limbs blown off by IEDs, under heavy enemy fire. How many times have YOU risked your life to save a brother in arms? Hell, have you even served at all?!

          • Weisheit77

            I’m not the one who suggested that the army wear high heels. Read the latest Fred Reed column to get a satirical view on this. Google “Fred Reed; Note to a Generic Pentagon General” if you haven’t heard about this.

            Although I never served, I have fought negros who were attacking my friends and got shot at for the trouble, so I know what it is like to have been “under fire”. I have much more hatred for the street thug than I do an Iraqi or a Syrian; especially if they are in their own countries. Having worked at an English Language school, I’ve have met Iraqis who had their lives destroyed by your “heroes”.

            This idea that one has to have “served” to express an opinion is patently stupid. Oh, and I don’t believe that without the military we would all be speaking German, Japanese, or Arabic. The invasion is happening at the Rio Grande and our government just loves it and I notice more and more Spanish being spoken everyday. I don’t believe for one second that your husband is protecting my right to sit here and say this. Our greatest armies are called the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean. Hitler couldn’t cross the English Channel; the logistics of getting an army big enough to cross either sea are too great to be comtemplated. “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” – Isoroku Yamamoto.

            Lastly, I don’t want to be the world’s policeman. I believe that they are over here because we are over there. As Major Smedley put it, “war is a racket”. I couldn’t believe that it could get any stupider, but then came Syria. We fighting Al-Qaeda’s friends as we help Al-Qaeda. The billionaires who run GE, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, etc… thank you for your support.

          • Spikeygrrl

            “This idea that one has to have ‘served’ to express an opinion is patently stupid.”

            Yes. It is. Yet you characterized me expressing MY opinion as “invalid.”

            I know all I need to know about YOU from those supercilious quotation marks you put around “served.” Let me guess: you’ve also never been a police officer, a firefighter, an EMT, or any other sort of first responder. Just one more Monday-night General who would rather bitch than enlist.

          • Weisheit77

            And let me guess you “stand by Israel” and voted for GWBush. To be disliked by you is an honor. And I was referring to your condition that you have mentioned before. Read In-va-lid and not In-val-id. You probably own a few Bill O’Reilly books, too.

            I do have friends who are police officers, but I don’t think that I could pass the background check because of my political statements. The NCAAP and ACLU would have a field day with me.

            Why would I enlist to attack Iraqis? Great way to dodge the question (Why are we there?). I don’t care about those who were injured in Iraq. They signed up to invade a foreign country that had never attacked us and blow a trillion dollars when the it was supposed to be a “cakewalk” and the oil money would pay for it (they actually helped us screw the Iranians, but the subtleties of foreign policy seem to fly right by you but your a typical republican) ; they weren’t drafted unlike the poor blokes who died by the thousands in Vietnam (which was against Communism just 20 + years after we saved the heart of Communism, Soviet Russia). It’s war. Shite happens. It was a dumb war. I broke off communication with my cousin because he signed up to be in the Navy and he called me unpatriotic because I told him he just wanted to buy a new truck. He tried to dress it up in the “service” horse fecal matter about defending my freedom; he’s not very bright. Anyone with half a brain understands that this war stuff is just keeping the “war party” in business. After the collapse of Soviet Russia (another thing we helped build), the war party (the William Buckley Republicans) got scared and invented “Islamic terrorism” (another thing we helped build; remember the stinger missiles we gave the Jihadis in Afghanistan in the 80’s?; where OBL got his start from?)

            You probably cheered the fall of Gaddafi, but you’re an ‘murican (F*** yeah!), whose fall is now threatening Europe with an influx of negros by the millions.

            People like you are just as much of the problem as the Hillarycrats are. Have fun voting for Jeb Bush. I can always take solace in the fact that I voted for Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul every time they ran. I also vote Constitutional Party.

            I am an unreconstructed Southerner. The US Army burnt down my hometown.

            You’re a walking stereotype and about as thick as a brick. Shouldn’t you be on Free Republic?

            I’ll say one more thing that will make your head explode. I would never murder, yes it’s murder, a Muslim to make the world safe for the Jews and Israel. To lose limbs and my nuts saving Israel…
            I don’t want to get moderated.

          • Spikeygrrl

            “Read In-va-lid and not In-val-id.”

            ROTFL!!! I rest my case, whether you are an id-i-ot or an id-i-ot.

            😀 Seriously, I can’t stop laughing. Time to go make dinner or I’ll keep this up until my whole torso is sore… 😀

          • Weisheit77

            *you’re… I type too fast sometimes.

      • Jason Lewis

        No defense for the bikers or the shootout. I really don’t see how you could read into that. The article is on how the media treats this differently than they would a black shootout and I’m stating the differences in how the people involved behaved.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Both violently broke the law. Both got people killed.

          More facts may well be forthcoming before blame is definitively laid and justice is eventually served, e.g., Darren Wilson’s LEGITIMATE shooting of Michael Brown. But facts are facts. In Ferguson, Wilson shot Brown. And in Waco, two or more White biker gangs had a lethal shootout in a restaurant parking lot.

          Whatever facts are ultimately revealed, Whites have lost the moral high ground in the media wars for AT LEAST another decade. And JUST when some Whites were finally waking up!

          This could not have come at a worse time for ALL Whites. Thanks a bunch, bikers.

          • Lexonaut

            ” And in Waco, two or more White biker gangs had a lethal shootout in a restaurant parking lot.”

            It was a Tex-Mex gang territory dispute — business, not pleasure. But equally it was absolutely terrible PR.

          • Spikeygrrl

            They don’t need anyone’s permission to obey the law. And anyone’s “permission” to break the law.

            If they don’t like the law they should, like anyone else, work within the system to change it. But I doubt that’s going to happen because they think it’s knuckling under to The Man to actually oh, say, TAKE A SHOWER and TRIM THEIR BEARDS.

          • Lexonaut

            “… TAKE A SHOWER and TRIM THEIR BEARDS.”

            What does that have to do with anything? Do you mean that if they shower and shave then whites will have reclaimed the moral high ground? Or that whites had lost the moral high ground even before the shooting started because these guys had not showered and shaved?

            I’m only half joking. How did this incident set things back ten years or whatever time frame you’re considering? Fewer people died in this one incident than die of gunfire in Chicago on a typical weekend — and the deaths here were mainly police killings, not gang killings.

          • Spikeygrrl

            “What does that have to do with anything?”

            If you’re going to work within the system to change laws you don’t like, you need to present yourself as a responsible adult. Clean, trimmed hair. No body odor which will stun others at ten feet away. Business Casual at the bare minimum. Tattoos covered.

            I say the same thing to advocates of legalizing the use of cannabis for legitimate medical purposes. Present as a filthy hippie and you’ll only reinforce the negative perception which decision-makers already have of legitimate medical cannabis users.

            Is this “fair”? Maybe not, but it’s the world we live in.

          • Lexonaut

            “If you’re going to work within the system to change laws you don’t like …”

            That’s what you want them to do, but that’s the last thing any of the Tex-Mex bikers is going to do. Their attitude outside prison is the same as their attitude inside — we bikers/inmates make the rules, you police/corrections are free to challenge us. You leave us alone, we’ll leave you alone.

            I’m not applauding this posture, I’m explaining it. Their attitude also explains whatever bathing/shaving issues you have a problem with — they simply don’t care what you think as long as you don’t get in their way.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Of course they won’t do it. But that’s what they’d have to do if they truly wanted to change the laws. But they DON’T want to change the laws! Their entire self-image AND public image is founded upon BREAKING laws!

            And that is why I am so disgusted at the large contingent here saying “Well, at least they didn’t break [this other law] and [that other law], too.” At least to me, that sort of excuse-making is tantamount to “Well sure she poisoned her mother, but at least she didn’t kick the cat.”

          • Lexonaut

            “Their entire self-image AND public image is founded upon BREAKING laws!”

            No, it’s on making and adhering to their own laws. It’s an honor thing, exactly like the Mafia.

            “”Well sure she poisoned her mother, but at least she didn’t kick the cat.”

            Chuckle, chuckle.

          • Spikeygrrl

            If you claim that the Mafia is “honorable” by any other metric than their own eccentric, CRIMINAL code, you and I don’t share enough of a vocabulary OR a worldview to converse further.

            I wish you good day and goodbye.

          • Lexonaut

            Goodbye. I’ll speak to the readership …

            I grew up on a Sicilian block at the north end of NYC’s Little Italy, on Leroy Street. Around the corner on Bleeker was the proverbial ice cream parlor office of the proverbial local Mafia don, a guy named Carmine (which was amusing since Carmine Street was the street east of LeRoy). If you needed to borrow money but nobody would lend to you, Carmine’s brother, Tony Docks, would make the loan with an interest rate of 1% per week and the understanding that you would pay it back, no question about it.

            Local small businesses paid taxes to Carmine through his employees. You were free to pay or not pay your civilian taxes, but you had no choice about paying your Mafia taxes, just as you had no choice about repaying Tony Docks. However …

            In return for your taxes you actually got protection, and if you were a resident citizen who worked for a living, you got that same protection for free. There was no crime in our very poor neighborhood — none. A robbery that wasn’t a Mafia theft from a larger, well insured business? — you must be joking. Rape someone? — death penalty carried out immediately. You’re a drug dealer? — Nope, not any more, it was nice knowing you.

            If you had a problem with someone you didn’t go to the police, you took it to Carmine. There would be a sit-down, Carmine would listen to both sides, and then he would give his decision, on the spot. That decision was final, and anybody who didn’t abide by the decision … well … that simply did not happen.

            If you were a family in temporary financial trouble — say a husband needing a new job immediately for some reason — Carmine’s people would hear about it and make the necessary arrangements. Carmine and his men gave generously to Our Lady of Pompeii Church, the graveyard of which was right behind our ground floor apartment, from the backyard of which a shot of the graveyard appears in the movie Goodfellas.

          • Jason Lewis

            I don’t think it will do any harm towards our people waking up. Just keep having conversations with family and freinds and let them know they’re not alone in their ideas.

  • Luca D.

    “When black people commit violence, the media typically covers it as an
    indictment of the symptoms plaguing black Americans overall.”

    Well considering that the illegitimacy rate is beyond 70% in black America, let’s just say from now on that it as an
    indictment of the symptoms plaguing the overwhelming majority of black Americans.

    There now, does that make the liberals feel any better?

  • WR_the_realist

    This is typical of what we get from the mass media. The Waco shoot out is news precisely because it is a very uncommon event. We don’t have big shoot outs by rival motorcycle gangs every month. We do get a steady, high level of violent crime from blacks that we don’t get from whites.

    • Charles Martel

      All 9 killed were killed by police fire who shot over 1000 rounds. Chicago has more killed on a weekend.

      • ncpride

        So much for the ‘rival biker’ shootout, but they will keep running with that narrative, then drop this story fast as they can when the truth finally comes out, and very few sites will report the findings.

        • Henry Ford

          Yes. This gives the cops time to work on the cover up.

      • John Smith

        And they are most likely the ones who placed the most bystanders in danger, based on my personal experiences of police marksmanship abilities and anecdotes from officers.

      • mikey7777

        yup and whitey isn’t running around looting raping robing burning down every building in site.They were criminals and they got what they sought.Oh well.But blacks love defending their low life criminals.

  • Greg Thomas

    Gee….black and mexican gangs shoot it out nightly across this country, leaving countless bodies piled up as a result of their misdeeds.. I wonder what that says about race in this country. How come the diversity, anti-White zealots never pose that same question?

  • BillMiller66

    “People’s cultural background influences their perceptions of crime and violence.” In a sense, there;s some truth there, but not in the way that Professor (Culture of Critique) Sinnreich means. In other words, when whites commit crimes, no one manufactures excuses. Ever notice how nobody ever inquires into the roots of, say, insider trading?

  • Ella

    If the gang was Black, the violence would have still continued with riots and racially motivated speeches to avenge the death of their nine fellow comrades.

  • John Smith

    It’s been at least a decade since any prior major biker fight was in the news, so they definitely are rare and discrete events. Sorry to deflate your thesis, Mr. Bruinius.

  • Henry Ford

    The difference is stark. Nine old white men, while eating dinner, were slaughtered by police.
    No due process. Then 190 old white men were arrested on a million dollar bond.
    IMAGINE the same scenario with nine black bikers dead. America would be in FLAMES from coast to coast.

  • bubo

    So to sum it up, whites cannot acknowledge black crime because some white bikers had a shootout, or more likely were shot by police. Is this it?

  • Spikeygrrl

    The biker riot undid all the good effects of raising White consciousness (at such a tragic cost!) of the highly publicized Negro riots of the past few years. Hear that loud BANG? That’s the sound of hundreds of thousands (millions?) of White minds snapping shut again, just when they had begun to open.

    Nice work, biker scum.

    • kikz2

      generally all the gangs are infiltrated by undercover police of one level or another, who is to say, this wasn’t a set up? it’s known that police are sent in to foment riots.. so…..

  • InitialSegment

    After Seung Cho’s rampage at Virginia Tech in 2007, there wasn’t much handwringing about violence and lawlessness in the Korean-American community. The reason is simple: there basically isn’t any violence or lawlessness in the Korean-American community, Cho’s crimes notwithstanding.

  • “Juveniles” don’t have a record, either. And often times cases get dropped because in the black areas, prosecutors have a hard time pursuing these cases. The fact of the matter is MOST black men will be arrested for a major felony at some time in their lives. Despite this, one third of black males DO have a criminal record. This is right now. That doesn’t include the ones who will eventually get one, or who haven’t been caught. Sorry, it won’t work. Blacks are criminals, period. There are only a few good ones.

    • Earl P. Holt III

      Don’t forget “Jury Nullification.” O.J. Simpson was a two-time murderer, but had no record until he robbed some guys in Vegas…

      • Also, the proverbial “Bronx jury.” This forced prosecutors to drop or reduce charges.

  • Jason Lewis

    Wow thats something to be proud of.

    • baldridge999

      Wow, ONLY 34% of blacks are convicted criminals. Now that’s a record every race should strive for.

    • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

      That’s what I be thinking!! That’s like having and X on your heard.

  • baldridge999

    Apparently your argument is that as long as the majority of blacks aren’t criminals, then no one should talk about dysfunction among blacks?

    It doesn’t take a majority of dysfunctional people to collapse a society. If only 10% are highly dysfunctional, that will cause lots of problems.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    Most bikers have minimal criminal records, though more bikers have felonies than the population at large. The biker gangs are mostly about brotherhood and self defense/being a bad ass. Most carry guns. Many are ex-military. They often get involved in some kind of charity work as well. Most of them are into prostitution, picking up girls, selling drugs etc. but not really doing any serious crime above that level. They usually are serious though if provoked they will shoot up a place or beat the crap out of someone. I live next to a motorcycle clubhouse. They aren’t likely to steal your stereo or assault you for no reason. Sometimes they might steal a bike depending on the people involved. Most of the motorcyle clubs are composed of hillbillys. There is a black one down the street but they aren’t outlaw in anyway as far as I know.

    The white mafias and motorcycle clubs don’t seem as big a threat as say a mexican gang. Most of their time is spent riding and drinking, not killing people or anything serious.

    • Weisheit77

      Precisely. The question is did the police just set up and brutally murder 9 people when they stopped people from defending their stores and businesses in Ferguson and Baltimore? The question is why are white people dismissing this as “drug-dealing scum” when, clearly, so many weren’t?

      In the Anglo-Saxon concept of law, if there is no victim there is no crime. Drugs and prostitution should be legal. In some countries in Europe, prostitution is legal and if a woman wants to trade sex for money, who am I to stop her? If someone wants to destroy their life with drugs, who am I to stop them?

      It may be hard to believe, but both used to be legal in what was formally known as the USA. Nowadays in the USSA things are different.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        “… if there is no victim there is no crime.”

        The controlling mafia (U.S. Government) didn’t get their cut. They are the victim.

        .

      • kikz2

        “In the Anglo-Saxon concept of law, if there is no victim there is no crime”
        logical, however…….i beg to differ.

        the state does consider itself a victim, if you break its laws, no matter how inane.
        i know of a couple in TX who were taken to felony trial over smoking pot, and growing 2 lousy plants (discovered in the closet of a locked spare bedroom where they’d stowed their cat, and all their salt water aquarium eqpt, which was broken into by a commercial bug spraying man) in their home. Their ‘pot activities’ impacted no other humans, and they each faced 10yrs at hard time for it, the ‘crime’ was considered ‘moral turpitude’.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        We used to have “mafia” around here (and its not italian as the media suggests but a large irish and jewish element). But they didn’t harm people. They ran bars that were legal and did gambling and prostitution on the side, sold liquor in prohibition and got into weed and drugs when those became common. But now they are mostly gone. One reason is the lottery tickets and such they used to sell are now sold by the government. Making those trades illegal just gives the gangs a way to make money, as well as members of the government who are involved in the drug trade and such.

        If they legalized everything these gangs and clubs would have a hard time making money other than doing real crime maybe. But then again they have opened casinos in every city almost now, but you have to have connections and millions to open one. Regular people can’t get permission, so it shuts out the little guy. I guess you could still run your own operation.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      Bikers are about independence. That is why they have to form large groups and stick together.

      Bikers are about individuality. That is why the all have to dress, act, and look the same; like millions of other bikers.

      Bikers are about being tough. That is why the attack people or groups that are weaker then they are.

      Bikers are about supporting their family. That is why their motorcycles have the newest chrome do-dads, but their children walk around without shoes.

      .

      • Raymond Kidwell

        Most of those problems exist in the working class/lower class communities anyway. It’s fun to ride in a large group, but also a lot safer. When I rode by myself cars would try to run me off the road at times and do BS stuff. Riding in a group they never mess with you. But it also builds a sense of camaraderie sort of like being in the military or something.

        I never saw any bikers being bullies as far as that goes. If you approach them and threaten them of course they will probably jump you. Or if you are in the club and do something against their rules and they want you out.

        Most bikers aren’t in a club, and even a lot of the clubs are not outlaw clubs. They are just people that like the culture and like to ride. Most of them are old people because a lot of younger people can’t afford a motorcycle.

  • ElComadreja

    Let me correct that. Over 66% of black males haven’t been caught yet. I call BS on your statistic anyway.

    • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

      U R CORRECT!! So that means there is the caught and the uncaught ONLY??

  • ElComadreja

    WTF is a black ex-cop doing with 1%ers? No club in their right minds would accept him on either ground.

  • Lexonaut

    Of course Waco was a riot. A restaurant interior was damaged, and then the riot moved out to the parking lot. No buildings were looted or torched, and nobody who wasn’t a biker was beaten to death with hammers.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Half of all black males between 18 and 45 are either in prison, on probation, or on parole. Crime is ubiquitous in the nigro community, but is downplayed by enablers, apologists, the Corrupt Leftist Media, social workers, communists, “Democrats,” and other “demographics” comprising the “Rainbow Coalition”…

  • Earl P. Holt III

    The restaurant where this shoot-out occurred advertised that it was “Biker-Friendly”: I feel that it deserves the loss of business that it will incur in the months and years ahead…

  • MrGJG

    That’s what we call an understatement.

  • MrGJG

    I’m not so sure about that. As bad as the “official” statistics are regarding black crime, the truth is much worse. The amount of unreported crime that occurs in predominantly black neighborhoods is probably equal to what does get reported.

    I can’t even imagine the amount of shoplifting and minor theft that goes on in these communities. Welfare fraud and playing the system is something that blacks are taught from their community activists. This is how Obama got his feet wet. The whole lot of them are nothing but a cancer on what ever society they inhabit.

    • Cid Campeador

      Amazing that most of America never heard about Knoxville and Wichita except for the residents of the aforementioned cities.

  • Eagle1212

    While we continue to say that the southern border is safe and secure.

  • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

    I’ve never seen one on a 2 wheeler, unless it’s been stolen! My friend says a white negro loaned it 2 it ! The bike has a tag on the front that says “I hate white people’s”. Hope that doesn’t get the girlyman in trouble!

  • MBlanc46

    “When white people commit violence, they are typically framed by the
    media as discrete events that are only reflections on the individuals
    who are central to them,” says Sinnreich. “When black people commit
    violence, the media typically covers it as an indictment of the symptoms
    plaguing black Americans overall.”

    And when anything is thought to have happened unjustly to a black person, blacks and their white accomplices make it about his blackness.

  • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

    MI could you tell me what racist you is? I mean just how’s many colors is you? Did you

  • MBlanc46

    It’s important that we strive to be accurate in our statements. Having seen a lot of John R’s posts, I’m pretty confident that he was not intentionally falsifying data. However, it does pay for us to be on our toes about statistics.

  • Who Me?

    Who would you rather see buy the house next door. a 1% Bandido, (with buddies, naturally) or a black family, complete with cousins, bf’s, etc.

  • Kilo 4/11

    He probably meant to say something like a majority of convicted felons are young black males. This is not accurate across all felonies, but in the categories of murder, non-negligent manslaughter (grouped together) and robbery it is, being 52% and 56%, respectively. (FBI “Crime in the United States”, 2013) When a group has stats so wildly out of proportion as this, there’s just no way the law abiding among them can expect to be treated like any other group.