Chief: Miami Beach Police Sent Hundreds of Racist, Pornographic Emails

Curt Anderson, CBS News, May 15, 2015

A handful of Miami Beach police officers sent hundreds of racially offensive and pornographic emails, including about President Barack Obama, and possibly jeopardized dozens of criminal cases in which they are witnesses, the department’s chief said.

An internal investigation revealed that two of the 16 officers were high-ranking within the Miami Beach Police Department and were the main instigators, Chief Daniel Oates told reporters Thursday. One has retired, and the other was fired Thursday.

Oates identified them as Former Major Angel Vazquez and Former Captain Alex Carulo, CBS Miami reports.

“They were the primary purveyors of pornography and high volume of it. I was shocked and angry,” Oates told the assembled press.

Vazquez has since retired, but could face a potential criminal charge for his alleged role in circulating an autopsy photograph of Raymond Herisse who was shot by police in 2011 during Memorial Day, Oates said.

Oates said the probe revealed about 230 emails demeaning to African-Americans and women or pornographic in nature. Many were depictions of crude racial jokes involving Obama or black celebrities such as golfer Tiger Woods. One shows a woman with a black eye and the caption, “Domestic violence. Because sometimes, you have to tell her more than once.”

One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called “Black Monopoly” in which every square says “go to jail.”

Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle said about 540 cases in which the officers were witnesses are being reviewed to determine if they are tainted racially. Some charges could be dropped as a result, or prisoners could be freed from jail.

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  • Porn is demeaning to women? Last I heard, the consensus among feminists was that porn empowers women.

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      Perhaps that was the consensus in 1970, but nowadays, anything that men enjoy is automatically considered oppressive to women.

      • American Tax Payer

        Pornography is Evil but that’s not my point. My point is:

        That’s somebody’s daughter you’re staring at. Would you like it if your daughter was caught up in a bad life and a bunch of strangers were “watching” her and making the SOB who’s using her in the most disgusting way possible, filthy stinking rich in the process?

        How many parents wanted their children to do porn for a living?

        Before you give me that “free choice” bullsht, let me tell ya about abusive /neglectful parents and the lost children. Their path is filled with homelessness, hunger, drugs, prostitution, petty crime and yes, porn “careers”. Nymphomania is not that common and you’d have to be one to truly enjoy working in the porn industry.

        Have you ever heard the term “self-destructive behaviour”? It happens on the sub-conscious level and it happens (generally speaking) because of early childhood trauma.

        • Publius Pompilius Quietus

          Yes, there are many children who live in the type of environments that you outlined. Such environments exist now more than ever because of liberal hegemony over culture, which celebrates single mothers, not because of pornography specifically. Pornography always has and will exist; it is benign adult entertainment.

          • American Tax Payer

            It is used to destroy the family unit and you are partaking in that. You’re not consciously partaking but you are their customer and that helps them snag and drag down even more white daughters and white sons into their pit.

            What happens to the psyche when your “job” is to let strangers have their way with you while other strangers tape it and millions more watch it? What happens to the minds of those watching it? They become insensitive to their fellow White Man’s Sons and Daughters.

          • Publius Pompilius Quietus

            Caves in Nottinghamshire, England (i.e., the Creswell Crags) show pornographic relics that are thought to be approximately 12,000 years old. Thus, pornography has existed from the beginning of civilization until present day, and it has posed to threat to traditional society. It is utterly benign if enjoyed privately. It is only modern Victorian fanatics, who hate sexual pleasure, that have made pornography into an attack on the family; indeed, it was thought to be so normal for so long that the word “pornography” was not invented until 1858.

          • Hilis Hatki

            There’s the caves in central America with the child porn drawings. Some of the left out books of the Bible are antiChild porn, which back then did not refer to teenagers.

          • Publius Pompilius Quietus

            I am referring to relations between consenting adults. It is normal for adults to have sexual fantasies as such. And I do not appreciate your suggestion of pedophilia.

          • Hilis Hatki

            That’s not what I meant. Nothing wrong with what adults do. Suggestion?

          • American Tax Payer

            Let me try it this way: God and Jesus do not approve of pornography.

            “sex” is not supposed to be impersonal, a group sport or a “business”. It’s for procreation and one of many ways of how married couples express their love for each other. And viewing porno is not benign. It supports the industry that DESTROYS WHITE PEOPLE.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Sex is sex and is not supposed to be anything in particular. It begins with the instinct to procreate but doesn’t end there because humans are complex and creative. Bad sex and such destroys any people, but one at a time. Too much bad sex in a culture will destroy a culture. So I agree with you that there is a lot of bad sex going on. But it is not for you or me to define things for anyone. This is something that can only come from individuals who are raised respect themselves and others. We are too far gone now because bad use of sex is all around us, daily.

          • MBlanc46

            Well said.

          • American Tax Payer

            Okay but let’s try to refrain from it if we can. The only way to destroy the bad parts of society is to cut off it’s blood flow right? Money keeps it alive so stop buying it.

            We’re not too far gone. Awareness is the key to change. It’s how you stop things from getting worse and repair the damage done.

            I’m not trying to define it. Maybe I am. All I know is, I know destruction and porn, hands down, is pure destruction. If there was some good to glean from it, I’d admit that but there’s just not.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            “In a soldier’s stance, I aimed my hand, at the mongrel dogs to teach, fearing not I’d become my enemy in the instant that I preached.”

            No one elected you to guide us to righteousness. Being realistic tells the informed that these things come with being human and it is your self-constructed systems of defining good and bad and shaming that is THE prime cause of the extremes you decry.

            Regardless, you offer no correction but suppression,which history, from its first records (Herodotus) shows doesn’t work.

          • American Tax Payer

            See my other post to you. I have to respond to one part though:

            “correction” – Yes, there is one and it’s called marriage. I never said people couldn’t shack up or date with “benefits”, I said, I see no purpose in porn. For some reason, I find public sex to be extremely offensive. And especially so when white people are involved.

            You’re right, I don’t have a solution. And you’re right again, it’s not my place but I can certainly express my displeasure and I did that. And I’ll do it again should the subject ever arise. I make no apologies just as you make none and that’s where it ends.

            Actually, you should be happy for you did win after all. I can’t change a damn thing and you get to keep your “collection”.

          • LHathaway

            Shut up.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            But this doesn’t include all the types of aggressive and sick porn that is out there today. Just the black on white stuff could create legions of white separatists if they were aired in a courtroom and reported on.

          • UncleSham

            >Fails to distinguish crude drawings of penises in a cave from 12,000 years ago from modern, graphic, violent pornography.
            >Conflates approving of pornography with the ability to enjoy sex.

          • Tyrone Shoelaces

            Sure, caves were found with drawings, and that makes it okay. What sort of drawings were found in the caves of Sawney Bean, since you reference Brittania? Did the drawings in his cave make what he did alright? Is it okay to be a cannibal, since drawings depicting such acts were found in a cave? You are a degenerate, and only degenerates enjoy pornography. I believe that Victorians were okay with sexual pleasure, bud, as long as no one else was watching. You would have watched, though, eh?

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Not necessarily. The human psyche is very complicated.

          • American Tax Payer

            Not that complicated. Porn dulls the senses.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I don’t buy into this vein of argument. I have examined the online sites that claim this. Sex is a biological process and males depend biologically on visual stimulus. In that process, other stimuli are decreased or ignored during the time of engagement, but to say there is any sort of permanent change is nonsense. I have no argument with there is exploitation of this, especially in modern Western cultures. However, it is the political exploiters of this issue that generate these sorts of extremes of claims and when someone states a hyperbolic opinion as dead fact, I tend to reject what they argue in general.

          • American Tax Payer

            I cannot help but notice how you leave out the professional make-up job, lighting and professional photography.

            Women need visual stimuli too. I look at men all the time. And look twice at the beautiful ones. I love men to death but I don’t want to see them like that. I love watching them in their natural state. Working at their jobs, out and about with their beautiful families or just walking down the street. Men have the most beautiful bodies I’ve ever seen and the most beautiful minds I’ve ever known. Men Truly are, a Work of Art.

            My claims are not extreme. Healthy-minded people do not enter into porn.

            Look, I admit, I can be extremely stubborn and will not waver nor give not one little millimeter but I can’t help it. It’s how I feel.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            You can rant all you want. It doesn’t mean much to me. My stubbornness is to not argue with neurotic people.

            But in the last post I replied to, you were saying how if you couldn’t satisfy your man, you’d make him go out and find someone who would.

            Oh yeah? What I see is someone who has set themselves up for a huge personal fall.

          • American Tax Payer

            My husband and I have an extremely strong emotional connection and we communicate extremely well. We’ve not been married for very long, only ten years and together for only fifteen so maybe you’re right, maybe I am setting myself up for failure.

            Failure to recognize the significance of the mind and how two minds must meet in order to sustain lifelong compatibility.

            I stand by my words. I have never, nor would I ever, be with a man who needs to look at porn in order to “love” me. Looking at people and seeing their beauty is perfectly natural but that can only be done in natural settings. There is nothing “neurotic” about that.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            The neurosis is in your need to tell complete strangers in public every aspect of every reactive thought and personal self image you have in such a reactive manner. A more balanced person would recognize that the porn we object to is a symptom of a deeper problem, not the cause. Incredibly outspoken and willful women like you are part of that problem.

            There are two items that I do want to mention to you and everyone that may read this and may not be aware of them. First, there are people who fight online porn. If you spend much time on porn sites your computer is almost guaranteed to get loaded up with viruses and malware requiring time and maybe money to battle. This is known by all IT and computer servicers. Second, the worst extremes of today’s porn seems focused on the introduction of a larger than natural phallus. There seems to be no care for the future known problems such practices virtually guarantee, including female organ and reproductive harm as well as problems with the pelvic floor. Big money for outlandish spectacles on film will prove very costly to the female participants after about 20 years after the practice (not after 20 years of participating). The spread of such information would go a long way in dissuading young women from engaging in at least the most extremes of porn making.

          • American Tax Payer

            What? Okay, fine. I will not try to talk to you since you are a robot and do not respond to emotion whatsoever. You’ve watched so much porn that you now think someone telling you “personal” things is a sign of “neurosis”. You’re sick.

            I know what the root cause(s) is and already listed some of them.

            You sound like I’m out there screaming at people and hounding them to “stop doing” whatever I don’t like. No, when I want people to “hear” my opinion, I create pamphlets, like I’m doing now and I go door to door passing them out. I’ve passed them out on the street before (downtown) but never to anyone who didn’t want to take it. I don’t yell, cuss, insult people or judge anyone. I simply hand out information and let them decide. If they ask questions, I answer them the best I can.

            I’ve never been to a porn website. I’ve never done a pamphlet on porn neither but I will. I just started one last night but I’ll do the porn right alongside it.

          • how about this

            Prostitution, including pornography, is not benign. It is not a coincidence that people in it very often have a history of serious personal abuse (rape, molestation, etc.) and are drug addicts (including alcoholics). The “career” is attractive to people who are used to being abused, desire to abuse others, or both, and they get plenty of what they want in that sense (physically and mentally). Plenty of former prostitutes and pornstars can testify to this. This applies to the men as well as the women.

            The very high rates of STDs are also hard to dismiss with attempts to be nonjudgmental about their “life choice,” as is the physical damage to the body that tends to come from being sodomized or from spending 10 hours in a single day having sex.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            The Ancients had temple prostitutes who served and kept social peace this way. “Modern” religion with taboos and denial created the perverse view of sex as it is now a “sin.” Even procreation is a filthy, but necessary act. In such an atmosphere, it is difficult for the once considered normal social need to not cause harm to participants as it will exist despite the suppression.

          • Cid Campeador

            Sex IS a sin when it is forced upon an unwilling victim. That family in Indianapolis where the wife and her daughter were brutally raped by three pongids is a typical act carried out by most of the “Eggplants”.
            This is when the old Spanish “Código de Honor” kicks in.
            The offender dies!
            Sicilians had a similar code.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            You and Taxpayer both are simply wrong about much of this. Mainstream porn actors report no more history of abuse than the general population. They also report higher self-esteem.

            They DO tend to have more problems with substance abuse; but I would bet you a limb that’s mostly due to a genetic tendency toward stimulation-seeking, and is closely related to why they chose porn.

            There’s an ugly tendency on the anti-porn side to conflate data from elsewhere in the sex industry. Porn performers do NOT have the same backgrounds or risk factors as, say, someone involved in street prostitution. Lacking appropriate data, the best thing to say is, “we have no data.” Not, “prostitutes were mostly abused as children, so porn stars and escorts must have been, too.”

          • Irish

            Pornagraphy is poison.. PERIOD..Particularly for young people. It teachs young men women are objects to be used . And perhaps worse it teachs our girls the same..If you are a consumer of Porn take a good look at your image in the mirror. You are the enabler of pimps who keep those girls (mostly White btw) in the business. Anyone defending the porn industry needs to take a hard look at their own soul..Disgusting

        • John Smith

          A lot of the parents of porn “actresses” probably either “turned them out” for drug money or “sampled” the goods first, or another family member.

          • American Tax Payer

            I’d like to know their backgrounds. I’m betting there ain’t a one that can honestly say, they’re in that “business” ’cause it makes them feel good about themselves.

          • Publius Pompilius Quietus

            People in pornography are in pornography because they (1) are loser and (2) need money. Whichever it is, it was not caused by pornography, and societal degeneracy would exist without pornography. You are seeing the trees, rather than the forest.

          • American Tax Payer

            So white people with problems are losers now. I see.

            Oh yeah, they need the money but it was their low self worth that drove them there but hey, they’re losers so who cares right?

            I didn’t say their problems were caused by porn, I said their traumatic childhoods, more than likely, drove them to that industry.

            Porno is a PART of it. Porno IS the forest. ALL evil things MAKE UP the forest and yes, porno is a tree, a very big tree.

            Anyway, thanks for letting us know how you feel about white children’s problems and how you care even less when they turn into messed up adults whom you love to watch but love talking trash about even more once you’re done using them for your own self gratification.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            There have been books written by prostitutes about how satisfied they have been with their “profession.” “The Happy Hooker,” comes to memory. Face it, some women LIKE being prostitutes.

          • KyraNelson

            It’s a tiny minority of them.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            According to whom? If you mean the women who have written books about their careers positively, then yes. But if you mean that a majority of prostitutes in the West are slaves, I’d say no. This is not to say that forced prostitution or any sort of forced labor or exploitation of labor is okay.

            BTW; I belong to an organization that fights human trafficking and forced prostitution in particular worldwide.

          • American Tax Payer

            I doubt it. Yes, I believe there’s about ten of ’em who enjoy(ed) it but for the rest of them, the “reason” has nothing to do with “enjoyment”.

            Mostly, it’s about self-worth. I know about self-destruction because I partake in that as I mentioned in an earlier post to you. And I’m tellin’ ya Sir, porn is self-destruction. Both ends. Doing it and watching it.

            Okay, let’s go with your side. Let’s say they all love what they’re doing. It’s still bad because there’s no love involved. They’re going through life pursuing instant gratification and what lies at the end for them? When they’re old and alone, who will be there to love and take care of them? Paid nurse maids who are only there ’cause they’re being paid?

            And sure, they can go on to marry and have normal families but still, should we be supporting an “industry” (that’s an insult to the word industry) that treats sex like a commodity?

            Anyway, I just can’t see the purpose of it. Even some women have defended it and I just don’t get it. If I couldn’t please my husband without the “help” of porn, then I would make him leave and find someone better.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I don’t think you know much about what “my side” might be.

            I haven’t read all of your posts (not spending endless time with you on this free of charge). However, you sound just like the Christian hypocrites that I dealt with all my career. You are preaching a Sunday morning sermon after a Saturday night of “sin.” You are projecting your personal struggles onto me and everyone.

            I don’t notice too many people who are not engaged in some sort of personal gratification and increasingly instant. Arrogance can be a form of it, you know? You seem to have a problem is people enjoy sex because…… But I think you are way out in left field when it comes to porn being the only road to loneliness late in life (or any road to loneliness at all). It appears that most who engaged in porn making go on to a different life later and do fine (We are speaking of Western Society minus the world of sex-slavery).

            As a retired doctor who is also a trained guardian ad litem for the elderly, I’d have to pop your balloon if you imagine that elderly care providers were not doing it for the money. Most children pay them because they don’t want to do it themselves. It’s got nothing to do with porn, anywhere. People are inherently selfish and grow more so in wealthier cultures. That is why communism works better in poor countries than capitalism and this remains a large problem for democracy. In Japan, they are developing robots to provide care because they don’t want to import people to care for their elderly. Think about that.

            As for treating sex as a commodity; better face it, the proof of sex as a commodity throughout history is overwhelming. Even the most simplest cultures, bargaining for it is the fact. I lived in a part of Europe for a while where even today, the bartering traditions are barely suppressed and the attractive (sexually stimulating) female is prized (as they are in all cultures). Biologically, women look for a provider who will provide the materials and conditions where she can raise her family. Men are biologically evolved to be attracted by the visual beauty of the female and this is one of her assets in procuring the best provider. How that becomes outlandish and a point of exploitation by both sexes in human cultures is not that hard to grasp. You say you don’t get it, okay. But from my point of view, you are bashing your head against reality.

            I will not be responding to further replies you’ve made to me.

          • American Tax Payer

            Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I couldn’t finish reading your post so I can’t respond. I don’t want to respond. I can only give you my opinion and I did that and you gave me yours and that’s it.

          • LHathaway

            so . . those in pornography are absolutely not there because of pornography? That’s like saying rape has nothing to do with sex . . . wait . . . You make a good point but you do give me a chance to make that observation of your post.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            People in pornography are in pornography because they (1) are losers and/or (2) need money

            Or have a 8.8″ grenade launcher.

            Danny D says hi.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            When hundreds of young women will cavort topless and more on beaches in Florida in the spring, posing for photos, etc., you have to consider more than those who make money from the more bold of those women. I have heard of women putting themselves through law school via prostitution and stripping.

          • Irish

            I live here in South Florida. While boating down the intercoastal a few years back I happened to notice a beautiful mansion with a statue of a extended middle finger in the yard..Come to find out it belonged to Al Goldstein publisher of Screw Magazine..A famous quote from a equally famous book instantly came to mind..Something about maggots & filth.. Some of you will no doubt know of which book and Author I refer.

          • John Smith

            They do it because of a combination of self-loathing and often few other prospects. I notice many are AC/DC and I believe that some of those may just do it because they’re outright deviant personalities.

          • American Tax Payer

            Oh, I don’t doubt the deviant ones but I don’t want to forget, nor abandon the innocent ones caught up in their evil.

            All I was trying to say is that porn is evil and most of the “actors” are white are they not? I really don’t know as I’m guessin’ here but I guess I’m right.

          • adplatt126

            I strongly disagree that porn is as you say “evil”. Porn exists because the vast majority of men in the world enjoy watching it, and want it to exist. Women enter the business often, though not always for rational economic reasons. From a capitalistic standpoint, their entry is often quite superior to the alternative.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Yes, for many, it just pays well and it’s a relatively easy job: http://nypost(dot)com/2015/01/15/wall-street-intern-quits-to-become-a-porn-star/

          • American Tax Payer

            What a crock of, well, let your imagination run wild…

            The majority of men enjoy watching it, WANT it to exist and women “willfully” enter into it so therefore, it is not evil. That’s your reasoning? You’re trying to find an excuse to keep viewing it. Stop trying ’cause there is No Excuse.

            Pornography is NOT, I Repeat, NOT Capitalism. That “industry” PREYS on the weak, poor and abused. And they warp your mind and turn you callous towards your own.

          • adplatt126

            So does Walmart. Sure, some people think long and hard about the social repercussions of going to Walmart but most just do what’s in their economic interests and by the cheapest crap they can find (indirectly lowering their own wages and outsourcing their own jobs). And your average pornstar has double the class of your average WalMart shopper. I’m not callous towards my own, but I acknowledge that even amongst my own there are lost and hopeless souls and then there are women with a dearth of other gifts who just choose to use the assets they have. I can hardly blame them for that. I don’t want my daughter to end up on the poll, but if she did, to scrape by, for a time, well so be it. Better on the poll than the street. No matter how you feel about porn, reality will remain the same. Men want it to exist. So it does. I like it. If it didn’t exist I’d probably go to strip clubs more frequently. Your feelings on it are irrelevant. Sometimes porn can be exploitative, even immoral, an sometimes it’s what people genuinely want from their lives. Sometimes 18 year olds enter unwisely, but sometimes it’s 30 year olds who are just OK with it. But the law (rightly) permits people to do what they want with their own bodies, rational or irrational, moral or immoral, as long as they’re not harming others, which they’re not. So?… What’s your obsession over it?

          • Lexonaut

            “Men want it to exist. So it does. I like it”

            Me too. There is a movie industry continuum running from the filthiest porn at one end to profoundly philosophical PBS documentaries hosted by good looking women showing cleavage. I cannot tell where evil begins.

          • LHathaway

            I don’t think you need to turn porn actresses into victims in order to be against porn . . . wait . . . who am I kidding. . in irrational-america. . of course you do. If it makes no sense at all, then surely you must do it.

          • American Tax Payer

            Most of them are victims of something. If you can tell me what drives a person to make it with a stranger, in front of a camera and taking risk with sexual diseases for their own pleasure and yours, then please, explain.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Pornography is the most basic form of capitalism where the provider of a service has a built in means for exploiting those with money. Most forms of capitalism have long exploited sex for profit as in advertising and presentation.

            If you stopped lecturing and “screaming” you might be able to do some good for those you hope to protect.

            It seems that you’ve managed to warp your own mind a bit.

          • American Tax Payer

            The Most Basic Form of Capitalism is Farming.

            Goods and Services yes but porn is not a good nor a service. I can clean your house like nobody’s business and that’s called “service”. Providing food is a “good” just like drilling for oil is capitalism and making “goods” out of the oil like lotion for example.

            Porn, on the other hand, is exploitation and there’s no two ways about it.

            I see your point about my “screaming” but I can’t change my mind on this. I see nothing useful about “watching” two complete strangers do it in front of a camera for, what was that again? Oh yeah, “capitalism”. No, I’m not buying it.

          • American Tax Payer

            I left out this part: My mind isn’t “warped”, it’s just closed off. And for good reason too. Look at society and you tell me, what do you see?

          • Katherine McChesney

            Porn is deviant and it cheapens sex. Therefore, it is EVIL.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            All women have to do is refuse to exploit their looks or sexuality for money and it ends. If women were really that committed to Feminism, this would have happened decades ago. Instead, it has only grown much more in both volume of porn and the extremes in films. And it isn’t just there. Thousands of women on tv and elsewhere use sex as an advantage in their daily lives. The biggest hypocrisy of all are those who dress provocatively and then tell men collectively to not look, “eyes up.”

            In the 70s, I was approached twice by porn makers. One was a man and one was a woman. I declined because I could not imagine myself being comfortable being filmed that way. I was also concerned about STDs. Turns out that I was smart, because AIDs killed many 70s porn actors. Also, since I was in college to enter a profession, I did not want films like that around to be discovered. My impression is that women are similarly approached and can decide what they want to do. This is not to say that some bad recruiting and even slavery goes on, but the money is pretty tempting to many and these days, there seems to be a real absence of personal ethics in young people.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            The biggest hypocrisy of all are those who dress provocatively and then tell men collectively to not look, “eyes up.”

            Nonsense. Probably 80% or more of the clothing that is MADE for women could be argued to be some degree of sexually provocative. Women’s fashion revolves around it.

            I appreciate how women look, but I keep it subtle. If she has to tell me, “eyes up,” the problem lies with me and not her. I should not be staring at a strange woman’s breasts long enough for her to even notice.

            I’ve got no respect for men who get caught behaving in a vulgar way and then blame the woman.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I disagree with you by volumes. You sound like a well trained boy, and that is all.

            The fact that 80% of fashion is sexually provocative speaks to the hypocrisy, not the normality of it. Moreover, if a woman puts her cleavage or more on display, wears figure revealing clothes, the reason is to draw attention to her via these sexual assets as men are biologically by instinct attracted by visual stimulation (fact). The exploitation of you and me via these means is hypocritical when it is paired with messages of denial. It is a repeat of the old Roman Vestal Virgin perversity.

            I am not speaking of men acting in a vulgar way being okay. I say that women are being vulgar when they present themselves as bait and worse when they pretend that it’s a matter of fashion and nothing else, which is itself sort of a circular denial cycle. The chastisement of men for looking at what is presented to them is hypocritical and also a passive aggressive anti-social act.

            But I don’t expect you to be able to fathom these ideas.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            What I meant by pointing out how commonly women’s clothing is provocative is that it leaves women with relatively few options to NOT wear something that SOMEONE will insist means she “asked for it.”

            As for extremely revealing clothing… If it’s passive-aggressive (and you admit it’s vulgar), why would you be remotely foolish enough to get caught in the trap?

            The majority of women do not fall into this category. Very few dress in outrageously provocative clothing. Most men who want to be jerks refuse to admit this. Even on this site, I have seen men insist that the jeans and sweater on a woman in a YouTube video were “provocative” when they simply FIT her rather than being baggy. It’s nonsense. There’s no excuse to be staring, and you are not taking responsibility for your own sexuality and behaviour.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            No, you are reading in things to my comments. But the word “alluring” is often used and if you know much about the language,. you’ll know that sexuality is a big part of Western female fashion. This does not make it less hypocritical when it comes to the demand for men to self-censor to the point of eye aversion. We avert our eyes from the ugly and embarrassing, but if a woman wants to put on a show for men to enjoy, we are entitled to stare away. That’s about justice and equality. This by the way, used to be called, “girl watching” and was socially acceptable until the advent of the modern women’s movement. Their point was to gain power over men by claiming harm in looking, or “staring.”

            Provocative is not necessarily vulgar, so don’t put words in my mouth, thank you. As for a trap, what trap? I must avert my sinful, violating eyes or be trapped into….? I look at a beautiful woman because it give me pleasure. I assume she dresses as she does because she likes men to appreciate her beauty. This is not ugly. Leave it to the feminists to make something natural ugly.

            I am not going to lament with you over the resultant restrictions of women’s choices of attire when conservative dress is concerned. Men’s choices are far more limited. How many times do we see a woman, with shoulders and cleavage revealed considered a professional presentation, while her male counterpart is limited to the same shirt buttoned up to the neck with a tie around his neck like a noose?

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Extremely provocative IS often vulgar. That is my opinion if it is not yours, and that is the kind of thing you seemed to be talking about. And complain about men’s clothing all you want – I don’t even disagree, but it isn’t relevant here.

            You are NOT entitled to stare at any person who is simply minding their own damn business. Male or female, it’s rude.

            The “harm” is not necessarily invented. When I was much younger, I used to work in the food court at a mall. (Now it’s overrun with Filipinos and white kids don’t get jobs there, but that’s another story.) I used to work with a girl who was very pretty. Men would come and sit down at tables situated across from our store and stare at her. There was nothing she could do to escape, because she was required by her job to be out front serving customers the majority of the time outside of doing some dishes. It was like being on some sort of involuntary stage. Merely WITNESSING the attention she got deeply unnerved ME. It wasn’t even directed at me! She, poor girl, was driven to tears at times. Sometimes they tried to get me to cooperate in some way in getting her to stand out front more often. I thought it was vile. I still do.

            Do you want to bet they would have called that “girl watching”?

            There is nothing you could say, nothing, that would make me believe men are ENTITLED to behave like that based on some biological imperative. That is an outrageous justification.

            Your comments only make me more mournful that true courtship is long dead. There was a point in time when there were structured, socially accepted ways to approach the opposite sex. Feminism did indeed play a huge role in dispensing with them, and I think the resulting free-for-all is a disaster.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            They’re mostly white, yes. Male and female. But blacks and Asians* are also well-represented.

            There’s one industry Al Sharpton won’t have to worry about.

            *mainly females

          • American Tax Payer

            Female asians? Really? You mean the “perfect conservative “asian-americans””? Those asians?

            Well, who’s gonna do it with a black woman/man? Excuse me but I have a serious aversion to race-mixing. It’s so unnatural to me, I can’t even handle people talking about it. I try to tame myself but I can’t help it. When you breed with a non-white you get a non-white.

            A friend told me, when you breed with a non-white, it’s one less for us and one more for them. I never thought of it that way but YES!, it benefits their Army and hurts ours.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Female asians? Really? You mean the “perfect conservative “asian-americans””? Those asians?

            Oddly enough, some are “perfect conservative”. Best known in this regard is retired Asian actress/model Asia Carrera who seems to be living a regular Christian life with her husband and two children in Utah after tens years in the industry.

            http://www(dot)businessinsider(dot)com/former-porn-stars-leading-normal-lives-2014-12?op=1

            ———————-

            “who’s gonna do it with a black woman/man?”

            As I mentioned above, the SJWs complain that the black women in porn are all lighter-skinned.

            As for black men, there’s a number of females of all races who do perform with them. However, there’s a portion of white and Asian women who wouldn’t do blacks–they’re called ‘the Dodgers’, and of course “racists” by blacks and liberals.

            Some blacks even make lists of them to decry their racism: http://www(dot)imdb(dot)com/list/ls051111999/

            ———————

            Your friend is right.

          • American Tax Payer

            Let’s see if I got this right. You’re saying:

            AFTER the asian WILLFULLY and GLADLY made her money doing wrong, NOW she’s “christian”. What am I to say to this? Do you know her? Did she tell you what drove her to that?

            Okay, I have no interest in knowing who they will do or will not do. Please spare me on that.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            This example was a response to your question about Asians who do porn.

            NOW she’s “christian”

            She says she is. If you want to excommunicate her, go ahead.

            ————–

            Do you know her?

            Not in person, no.

            —————

            Did she tell you what drove her to that?

            No, but my guess would be a good paycheck at the end of the month. Just like Mr. Exuberant Auditor.

            —————

            What am I to say to this?

            There isn’t much to be said about the whole thing, actually. But you keep rambling on this as if it were the calamity of the century. With good drama effect, may I add.

          • American Tax Payer

            It is a calamity. No one cares about how they’re being used for other people’s personal pleasure. They’re human beings and you’re “consuming” them like a bag of marshmallows roasted over a campfire.

            Were you to come face to face with the parents of the child you just got “viewing”, what would you say?

            big fat paycheck – And what happens to your mind, body and soul? Yes, it’s possible to live a bad life and come out better than ever but that is no excuse to make excuses for porn or any other bad thing like legalizing pot.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            “No one cares about how they’re being used for other people’s personal pleasure.”

            To go back to the sports example, it’s exactly the same thing — a bunch of dudes are paid to put us a good show for our pleasure/entertainment. All workers get used for a sum of money. As long as they consent to it, I don’t see the problem.

            ————

            “Were you to come face to face with the parents of the child you just got “viewing”, what would you say?”

            Nothing. Unless they ask. And if they do ask, I’ll probably just respond in a neutral, considerate manner.

            And stop saying “child”.

            ————-

            “big fat paycheck – And what happens to your mind, body and soul?”

            Nothing. But if the actresses/models are not comfortable with what they do, they can just quit and look for another job.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            You’re speaking exactly like the typical Leftist.

            Only a certain kind of leftist. There’s actually a huge split on this issue on the feminist left. One side – the radical feminist side, essentially second-wave or neo-second – argues like American Tax Payer. The third wave argues what you are saying here. It’s an ongoing argument, known as the feminist Sex Wars.

            Leftist radical feminists and right-wingers like American Tax Payer actually have a history of bedding down together, trying to push through legislation to limit pornography.

            If you’re cooperating with Dworkin’s disciples, something is probably wrong with your politics.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I bet your “bad list” has opened spots for your little “sins.” I’ve known many religious people, mostly Christians and in my practice, it was those who had the biggest problems with “sex sin.” In fact, I cannot count the times that married, Christian, church going women hit on me in the office, and boldly, not minimally. One was even married to the local sheriff.

          • American Tax Payer

            No, it does not. My sin isn’t sexual. Never was. I’m just not a sexual person. I qualify for the nunnery, that’s how much I’ve “needed” it in my life. And no, I’m not a fattie, wrinkly old woman or a Church goin’ person neither. I reckon I’m just a Prude.

            My sins are alcohol, cussing (LOVE to cuss), pot, cigarettes, hate, intolerance, laziness, complaining, ungratefulness, generalizing too much, and I’m sure I could think of many more but no, not sexual.

            I’m the farthest thing from being perfect. I threw away opportunity after opportunity. I cannot tell you how many times Virginia (I was ward of the state) tried to help me.

            All I’m saying is, porn is evil and you know what I mean. These are children. Forget the teenagers/young adults and let’s talk about the actual adults.

            How do you use people like that? I don’t understand using people in what I consider, damaging ways. Or helping them proceed down their path of self destruction. I don’t make exceptions for anything damaging to our mind, body and soul. I’m anti-drug, alcohol, cussing, hate, intolerance (my kind of intolerance makes hitler look like an amateur) and you get my point yes?

          • Lexonaut

            “AFTER the asian WILLFULLY and GLADLY made her money doing wrong, NOW she’s “christian”

            Right. She can’t save herself. Only you can do that.

          • American Tax Payer

            I never said that. My point is, porn is good for NO ONE! I don’t care who she is. She and her “partner” are being used in an unethical and amoral way and there’s no excuse for it.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Many former porn actors turn to Christianity, which gives them a clean social slate. No surprise here. I don’t need to write about the problems Christians have with sex perversions, do I?

          • American Tax Payer

            I suppose there are many “Christians” who have horrible addictions. And all the more reason to be against that stuff.

            I don’t judge porno actors (boys and girls) no more than I do prostitutes. Most, if not all, have serious self-worth problems and judging them is something they simply do not need.

          • adplatt126

            What I have an aversion to is morons reproducing. Pornstars don’t typically reproduce. They just screw. Screwing without reproducing is just screwing. What we should be attacking is the reproducing, in particular the reproduction of darkie imbeciles. We should stress that reproducing with a black male entails a lifetime of misery, poverty, and problems for others.

          • Katherine McChesney

            flagged for filthy content.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Yeah, it would be nice to get back on the main subject.

          • American Tax Payer

            No, “screwing” is not “just screwing”. God didn’t say to go out and just do it in that sense. If He did, He would’a gave us ANIMAL Instincts. We have self control and animals do not.

            Look, I’m probably a bigger racist than you for I truly do believe White People should be in charge of everything (with checks and balances of course) but when it comes to this, I don’t want anyone involved. I don’t want porn to exist period. I don’t want a “sex industry” of any kind for anyone no matter the race. It’s basically saying human beings are there for any “use” you see fit. I see it as slavery. Nothing less and nothing more.

          • American Tax Payer

            I have an aversion to morons reproducing too but those morons are not in the porn “industry”. They’re at the “home” you provide for them, eating the food you provide, watching the cable and reproducing while you’re busy at work paying for those “provisions”.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            The most common porn out there for at least a decade seems to have been race mixing ones, especially black male, white female. None of us like that, but it is a fact. And you don’t have to go out and watch 100s of films to know that, just read the online stats.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            The Daily Stormer this year had an article noting that the amount of interracial porn out there is not explained by demand. The most popular adult films do not contain interracial content, and people mostly do not run searches for interracial porn.

            It’s bizarre to think of pornography as an arena for leftist race activism, but there are evidently people in the industry who think they should use pornography to “break barriers” (sexually, that is) between the races.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            If so, they’re going about it questionably. The few that I sampled a few years back featured racial taunting and very grand sexual/racial humiliation. I think it’s made for white masochists by black sadist/racists.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            I agree, I think the main consumers are white masochists and black men. It’s odd then, that such a small portion of the viewing audience would be catered to so aggressively, eh?

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I remember my very conservative mother reading that book, “Mandingo.” She read other racy books, too. My sisters used to love to find them in her dresser. I think the audience for porn like this is much wider than you guess.

          • American Tax Payer

            When it comes to things that destroy the soul, I really don’t care about skin color. I’m just against it ’cause it’s destructive.

            I’m an extreme segregationist. Fair Trade is all I’m willing to give. I’m willing to help non-whites but not if whites don’t get to control it.

          • John Smith

            Some guy in the UK has worked up a demographic synopsis of the porn industry and I believe most are white, IIRC. No breakdown by ethnicity, however, especially of the producers.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            “No breakdown by ethnicity, however, especially of the producers.”

            Almost all white. I read something about it years ago on some leftist paper (the Guardian, I think). The author was lamenting about how overwhelmingly white and male the porn industry, that it only reflected the white male’s view of sexuality, bla bla bla.

            Even the minority of women who direct or produce is almost entirely white, the author lamented again.

          • John Smith

            I bet they’re a bit more than just “white.”

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Oh… You mean… Oooh, I get it! You mean the… “Finns” *wink wink*

            No seriously, I’m pretty sure many of them are indeed Jews. Especially the producers. They’re overrepresented in Hollywood and basically wherever there’s big money and capitals, so why wouldn’t they be in porn.

          • American Tax Payer

            I saw that movie about the porn star and his little “girlfriend”. “Wonderland”. It was an asian who produced his films and I’m guessin’ there’s other non-whites who are in “charge”of it.

        • adplatt126

          I genuinely believe that for some women porn is a rational choice. They’re doing something they enjoy and getting paid a lot more for it than they would get paid if we left their income up to their innate cognitive capacities.
          I also genuinely believe that many women go into the industry as a perfectly rational decision, and it is honestly what they want. They aren’t necessarily drugged up or coerced. They’re just attractive and different. They perhaps don’t want ordinary lives or ordinary relationships, and that’s alright.
          With that said, I also believe in raising the consent age for porn to circa 23, so as to keep the most vulnerable people in society away from that life and that lifestyle as a means of protecting them from themselves and parasitic pornographic agencies, before they’re old enough or mature enough to make a rational decision on the matter. My feelings on military service are quite similar. Entering porn is a serious decision, and not meant for 18 years old minds, but either is the decision to die for a tyrannical government.

          • American Tax Payer

            Have you done a study? No? Then what makes you think they “enjoy” it? Because they’re FAKING it?

            Women can perform many duties standing on their feet. I may not be pro-women’s extra special rights but I’m not against my girls neither. They’re perfectly capable of being whatever they want to be as long as their abilities are up to par.

            You’re quite the “different” one aren’t you? Porno and those who participate are no more rational than you are. What is pornography’s purpose and what does it provide to people? What does it contribute to society?

            Twenty-three. Twenty-three and still not realizing the damage their broken home did to their mind. They make bad decisions and no one is there to stop them but they have you. You’re there to support their bad decision.

            I will not let you win this. Either stop watching or stop responding.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            “What is pornography’s purpose and what does it provide to people? What does it contribute to society?”

            There’s demand on one side, and offer on the other. That’s all it takes.

            What do sport games provide to people? They’re thrilling, and serve as outlets for certain tensions.

          • American Tax Payer

            You’re inviting Lucifer into your Home and helping him destroy our people. It’s all people. I don’t care who they are, what color they are, where they come from or the color of their skin. These are lost children and while you can get technical (free choice, adults, etc.) you cannot deny the fact that these people are hurt souls. Deeply hurt souls. And, given the choice, the mass, mass majority would turn away from it in a heartbeat had they had the “choice” to do so.

            This is not an example of Supply and Demand. This is an example of Soul Genocide.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Why do you keep calling them children? They’re not children.

            That said, I believe the minimal age to enter that particular industry should be raised a year or two.

            As for “souls” and “Lucifer”… What you’re saying is too vague and perhaps too spiritual for me. I don’t know how to respond to that part.

          • American Tax Payer

            They are children. Children in adult bodies. Admit it, most porn consists of very young “adults”. And mostly White.

            Lucifer comes in many forms and pornography is one. It’s diversion and, if Lucifer can get his way, a few extra souls for him. Lucifer, through the use of porn, separates you from God and separates Child from Parents. All to take away from God. We are nothing more than pawns (to Lucifer) in this War between Our Maker and His Most Favored Angel turned Traitor.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Most porn consists of people in their twenties and thirties; not children, not even teens.

            You obviously see this as sinful, in a spiritual way. And I don’t think there’s much that could be argued here.

          • Lexonaut

            “As for “souls” and “Lucifer”… I don’t know how to respond to that part.”

            I do. He should stop preaching to them, to you and to me. They’re consenting adults, I’m one too, and I don’t want censorship from either the loony left or the religious right.

            No laws are being broken here. Whether morals are being broken is a different question, but not one to which he should be allowed to provide the exclusive answer.

            We have not yet entirely lost the battle for civilization. One of the prices of a free society is that for everyone to be free, a few must be allowed to make choices that the rest of us would never dream of making.

          • adplatt126

            Good god. That is simply not true for many pornstars. Many pornstars enjoy sex (maybe a little too much) and merely prefer to have sex for a living, vis a vis waitressing in a small town cafe for one tenth the salary. What don’t you understand? What does porn contribute to society? It satisfies a lot of lonely men for one. It probably even reduces some of their rogue compulsions. I like porn because it helps me relax and unwind and I like to orgasm. Don’t you? I like ice cream too. What good does ice cream do for society? LOL. Your off on both the facts and the points. You think someone’s soul must be twisted to enjoy casual or even risky sex with multiple partners. But that’s simply not true. People have been doing that stuff since the dawn of time and enjoying it. Lighten up. There are bad people who exploit young and naive women in the porn industry. Which is why I’ve proposed raising the age for consent for porn to 22 or 23. The rest of the crap you’ve claimed is just hyperbole and superstition.

          • American Tax Payer

            You’re watching “acting” as in, FAKING it. Tell me please, how do you know they enjoy it? How many are drug addicts and how many refrain from committed relationships for the better part of their reproductive years?

            You’re contributing to the societal rot that is ripping white people apart. Are you “masturbating” to your white neighbor’s lost daughter there on your television screen? Have you gone over there to let him know how much you “enjoyed” his daughter?

            I may not understand you but I know you’re making excuses for the rot in your soul. I know that.

            lonely men – Oh Sweetheart, you fell victim to the lies. I’d call it propaganda but it’s an insult to the definition of propaganda. You’ve been led to believe no one wants you when in fact, White Women want no one but White Men like You!

            NO, I do not “enjoy orgasms”. And even if I did, rest assured, I would not make it Public Knowledge. Whatever happened to that kind of thing being private and based on love? No one ever used to talk about something so private like that. It was always a very private subject and now here ya are, talking about it as if it’s just some bodily function without meaning or feeling.

            Porno is Without Feeling. “Sex”. White Sons and White Daughters BEING USED BY MILLIONS and making a few filthy rich. Are you happy with yourself?

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Funny to me that you start this with “Good god…”

          • BlueSonicStreak

            My goodness. I used to know several porn performers, and they would have been immensely offended at the patronizing idea that they were “lost children.” They were adults. Some of them actually had a decent education, and even left “good” jobs to be in porn, finding it more fulfilling. I knew one woman who married a porn producer. They worked together. They appeared to have a good marriage, if unconventional.

            They weren’t lost; they got off at that stop deliberately, whatever you think of that choice.

            I’m sure there are some people who get into pornography too young, and for the wrong reasons, but I wouldn’t assume that about all of them.

          • American Tax Payer

            I don’t believe that. For me to do that, I’d have to believe people are shallow. White People are not supposed to be like that. We do not exploit people. Not ourselves, not anyone.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Your arguments are shallow, so I can completely believe that people are shallow.

            The realities of why people are drawn to the sex industry, on the other hand, are complex. Some of the reasons are probably terrible, and some people ARE exploited. Others want to be there, and it is their free choice.

            Mainstream porn performers don’t self-report a higher level of childhood abuse than the general population, FYI. They also don’t report lower self-esteem. They DO have higher rates of substance abuse than the general population; and I would bet my left leg that many people who like to work in pornography have extra stimulation-seeking genes which also contribute to their being drawn to alcohol and drugs.

            For the record, the people I knew did indeed care about any women being in the industry for the wrong reasons. The woman married to the porn producer in particular – she tried to help any girls who seemed to be in a bad position get out, and get other work or go to school, She believed that the sex industry should only contain people who genuinely wanted to be there. As she did.

            You can believe whatever you want, but I’M certainly not lying.

          • American Tax Payer

            Okay, that’s sounds fair. Whatever good changes we can get, I’m happy. I still want it gone but I’ll take whatever good change I can get.

            I am VERY HAPPY to hear about your friend helping girls but I think you should ask her to extend that help to the young men too. The young ones really don’t need to be involved.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            You make so many assumptions just to fit everything into your tight little sphere of ideas and thought. The world is much wider and complex than you.

          • American Tax Payer

            There is nothing “complex” about it. Porno is EVIL and it DESTROYS WHITE FAMILIES!

            If you care about White Families, then please, stop watching it.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            If there’s one universal truth it’s that power and money are everything (even to Christians, it turns out) and sex is the motivator for both. Everything else is a reaction or consequence of those facts.

          • American Tax Payer

            What does this mean? Is this an excuse to partake in it ’cause it’s here?

            Power and money are not everything to Christians. Stop lumping Christians with christians please.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I agree with raising the age limit for everything! No one knows what to do at 18 and we know that we are not done with brain maturation until 25.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          Women have been exploiting men through the use of sex since before written history (since we find it in the first writings of Herodotus). Raise your daughters with self and other respect and they might not engage in it. Raise boys with similar respect and they will not exploit women. But there is a thin line where biological instinct and exploitation begins and ends. But if we are speaking of innocent children, I am for protecting them, both sexes – fiercely.

          • American Tax Payer

            Oh, I know all about women and their schemes. I call them out all the time and believe me, I’ve been told I’m not a good woman.

            Yes, raise them well but let’s not participate in the exploitation of other people’s children neither and pardon me here but as far I’m concerned, young adults are still kids. They can’t drink but they can be sent off to War, dance in strip bars and be porn actors. Yea, The “American Way”!

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I have no objection and concur with what you say here, and especially how you put it. But much of how you have said in these posts seemed to be reacting to the symptoms rather than the cause. Unpacking that I leave to the individual because it can’t be done in posts.

          • American Tax Payer

            I’m gonna let go of the real adults in porn because you understand me here. It really is the kids I’m talking about. The eighteen to twenty-five year old’s. Even twenty-five is way too young in my book.

          • American Tax Payer

            It can’t be done in Congress or Culture neither. BUT, I do get to complain about it!

        • Cid Campeador

          I agree. Fathers should seek out the bastard and whack him.
          Driving along Pacific Ave. I see young teenage”White” girls being herded along the street by these disgustingly ugly Tambulas. It’s all I can do to restrain myself from running up on the sidewalk and squashing the “Cockarochis” to quote Tony Montana.
          ” Hey, say hullo to my leetle frayn”. Squoosh

          • American Tax Payer

            I tried to get a white girl from a black pimp once. She wouldn’t go. I think she was scared.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        No, it’s the opposite. Third Wave Feminism (aka; post feminism) includes porn and sex work as legitimate occupations requiring respect.

      • Katherine McChesney

        That’s stretching the truth. In fact, it’s a bold faced lie.

        • Publius Pompilius Quietus

          You may disagree with me if you wish, but calling me a liar is uncalled for and untrue. There is a long tradition of feminists opposing pornography. As the feminist Gail Dines said, “Pornography is the perfect propaganda piece for patriarchy. In nothing else is their hatred of us [women] quite as clear.”

          • Katherine McChesney

            Read your comment again. It is a generalization; therefore, it is a LIE.

    • Spikeygrrl

      Feminist “porn” is BOOOORING!

      It tries way too hard to be “realistic,” up to and including REALLY unattractive performers, when IMHO the whole point of porn is to enjoy — ideally with one’s spouse — attractive performers depicting fantasies which it would be ill-advised to actually do in your own real life.

      But all that gets moot real quick if you do watch with your spouse. Within five minutes — ten at the outside — you’re too busy with each other to care about what’s onscreen. 😉

      • I understand that feminists-lesbians are far more interested in verbal porn/erotica.

        • Oil Can Harry

          Correct. Leaving aside femiNUTS and bulldaggers, there’s no doubt that housewives and other “regular” women usually prefer romance novels and TV soap operas to more explicit “R” and “X” rated raunch.

      • American Tax Payer

        Why do you need to look at someone’s EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD daughter making it with a stranger in order to “want” your spouse? Didn’t you marry your spouse ’cause he’s the sexiest thing you ever saw?

        • Spikeygrrl

          I enjoy porn but don’t “need it.” To me, my husband has always been physically attractive.

          He, on the other hand, does need it. Understandably, because I’m not even in the same ZIP Code as young and physically attractive!

          Thank goodness we married based on much more meaningful commonalities.

          • American Tax Payer

            That makes no sense. He “needs” it? They have pills for that now. And if you have other more meaningful commonalities, then you don’t need to look at it.

            My husband and I have “meaningful commonalities” too like having everything in common save for asking for directions. I’ll stop and ask and he absolutely will not. We also agree that porn uses people and especially, very young people and no one cares about how their souls are being hallowed out and no one cares when they get thrown away afterwards.

          • Spikeygrrl

            There are no pills for “Ugly Spouse Syndrome.”

            Nobody forces anybody to enjoy porn. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t watch it. Duh.

          • American Tax Payer

            “ugly spouse syndrome”. No wonder you see no problem with it. You have a self esteem problem just like they do.

          • LHathaway

            It needs to be banned precisely because it is amazing and irresistible.

          • Spikeygrrl

            You and I have very different worldviews.

            In the years I have left I want as much “amazing and irresistible” as I can manage: friends, dogs, books, travel, art, music, exotic cuisines, knowledge (that’s a huge one), beautiful things, positive attitudes. And, yes, erotica. With my husband. At least until the paralysis progresses into my torso and starts shutting down vital organs.

            Your mileage, of course, may vary.

          • LHathaway

            I had forgotten/didn’t know you had a condition. I’m curious about it. Sorry to hear.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Thanks for asking. It’s an autoimmune disorder where your immune system progressively eats your nervous system. Rare (1 in 100,000).

            The ten cent tour: “Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is a disorder in which the body’s immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system. The first symptoms of this disorder include varying degrees of weakness or tingling sensations in the legs. In many instances the symmetrical weakness and abnormal sensations spread to the arms and upper body. These symptoms can increase in intensity until certain muscles cannot be used at all and, when severe, the person is almost totally paralyzed. In these cases the disorder is life threatening… Guillain-Barré syndrome patients face not only physical difficulties, but emotionally painful periods as well. It is often extremely difficult for patients to adjust to sudden paralysis and dependence on others for help with routine daily activities.”

            That’s the acute form. My diagnosis has now been upgraded (downgraded?) to the chronic form, CIPD. No cure yet exists. However, some folks do manage to beat this thing — says my neurologist — and I’m doing my best to be one of them. 🙂

          • HE2

            Your neuro is correct, many do eventually recover, though it may take as long as three years. Here is hoping you are one of the lucky 60%.
            Are you undergoing plasmapheresis or immunoglobulin infusions? Either of those options can hasten recovery.

          • Spikeygrrl

            IVig once a month. Intensive in-home Physical Therapy.

            And BTW, that 60% figure is WAY OFF. Almost nobody recovers completely. Only a few fight the symptoms to a stable standstill. The most frequent outcome is periods of some symptom reduction interspersed with sudden reversions to life threatening levels. Hence my 3-5 year prognosis: my neuro is too ethical to nurture false hope. Yay. :-p

          • HE2

            Inaccurate recovery percentage or not, Spikey, I still practice my form of healing meditation for your recovery. You are a brave woman.
            I know exacerbations and life threatening remissions can characterize the disease. Hopefully, your respiratory function is not affected.
            Pleased to hear your neuro is an ethical practitioner.
            Bless you.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Thank you so much for your good wishes.

          • HE2

            You are most welcome, Spikey.

          • UncleSham

            That is the exact reason that we ban heroin.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            There are no pills for “Ugly Spouse Syndrome.”

            Your personality is sure not ugly.

          • Spikeygrrl

            The heck with false modesty: My personality and IQ are terrific. 😀

            (For the record, quite a few men do find me attractive, even at 50-something and wheelchair-bound. It’s just that my beloved husband is not one of them…and as every good wife knows, her husband’s opinion is the only one which matters.)

          • Lexonaut

            “Your personality is sure not ugly.”

            My wife is good looking but that’s only part of why we got together. For me the old saying is true — that the most beautiful part of a woman’s body is her brain.

            While my wife and I didn’t become joined at the lip till we were 16, our close conversation began when we were 13, and it continues to this day. We have never lacked for things to talk about and it isn’t necessary that we agree on everything.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            After everything I have written here, it might seem strange for me to say this, but most tv and films have a soft porn quality. To not be affected, you must refrain from most current entertainment these days, which I actually do.

        • Hilis Hatki

          Yesterday I saw a 100 year old color picture taken of a Greek woman picking tea in Russia. It made me experience more than any porno has. It was eerie.

          • American Tax Payer

            Yes Ma’am/Sir, if I’m gonna look at pictures, they’re gonna be something of value like what you’re describing.

            A hundred years ago, we didn’t have the luxury of Deere Plows and we didn’t have television or strip bars. They had their problems but compared to today, in my book, it was a much cleaner society.

        • Exuberant Auditor

          “Didn’t you marry your spouse ’cause he’s the sexiest thing you ever saw?”

          Lulz.

          • American Tax Payer

            I married mine’cause he’s my best friend but, he is the most beautiful man I ever saw! A bonus I reckon you could say.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Finally we agree on something! 🙂

        • Exuberant Auditor

          Okay, I’ll answer you more seriously.

          My wife has called me sexy on a number of occasions: when I came home from work, when I’m in a suit, when she visited me at work, when I handle my gun (no metaphor), when I grew sideburns, my 6 o’clock shadow, my smell coming from my cigar club, when I open jars for her, and once after I forced myself on her.

          But even with all of this, I’m almost 100% sure I’m far from being the sexiest thing she ever saw.

          • American Tax Payer

            Stop trying to parse my words. You know what I meant and you said as much.

      • Exuberant Auditor

        … depicting fantasies which it would be ill-advised to actually do in your own real life.

        Private Sports Instructor – Private Productions, 2007

        When sports instructor Randy lures one of the females outdoor sports addicts into a suspended f***, hanging from climbing ropes over a ravine — you know he’s going to push their limits!

        Now that would be ill-advised to do in your real life. Although…

        • Spikeygrrl

          ROTFL!!!

          Exactly.

        • Lexonaut

          “Now that would be ill-advised to do in your real life.”

          Yet people actually do it. They are of the crowd who feel that full enjoyment of life means genuinely risking that you may lose it.

    • Johann Wald

      I’ve never understood that either. After all, it’s the guys that have to “rise” to the occasion. Anything less would be real humiliating not to mention embarrassing. Truth be told, “modern” porn irks me. If my wife ran her mouth like the women in most of them do these days, she’d get the choice to shut up or do without.

    • American Tax Payer

      It was meant to destroy the family. And it sure did didn’t it? Nobody thinks twice about WHY or HOW those “adult” children got into that nasty industry or about the diseases or how they’re being used or how they get thrown away like yesterday’s trash the second the porn industry ensnares a nice new shiny teenager, I mean “adult” for the next porn “movie” or next month’s “magazine”.

      • adplatt126

        No it didn’t destroy the family. What destroyed the family has almost nothing to do with porn. A combination of factors have undermined the traditional family, though two are most prominent. Moreover, the family isn’t as you say “destroyed”. It has simply been undermined by various ideological and legal forces. The first is reasonable sexual mores and racial boundaries (cultural shift). These have been eliminated by the counter-culture. Temptation is everywhere today because the law mandates that freedoms historically considered uncouth and unacceptable by society are now our basic rights as free citizens. Lamentably, the law is not wrong. Secondly, contraception is everywhere, even abortion. The risks inherent in casual sex are basically gone. So people have it. A lot. And who can blame them? We’re hard wired to do exactly that. Unfortunately we have created the social conditions whereby the least responsible (those who are too stupid or too lazy to use contraception) breed the most and good, responsible folk breed the least and finance the existence of a growing underclass that goes on breeding irresponsibly and taking from an ever shrinking cohort of educated and responsible people. But porn is not the cause of any of these phenomena. It is at worst, an effect. Obviously in a society in which the economy was better off, ethnic outsiders aren’t preying on young women, etc. there would be less porn. But alas, we don’t live in that society.

        • American Tax Payer

          It does destroy the family. How many parents are happy with their child’s decision to enter the porn industry? I say none to zero.

          I never brought up overpopulation or birth control as those are separate issues although I see your point.

          You cannot defend pornography by simply declaring, “temptations are everywhere”. That is tantamount to saying, well, since it’s here…. Or as some would say, “when in Rome”.

          Yes, temptations are everywhere but is it not our duty, to refrain from them as much as humanly possible? And should not pornography be the easiest among them given how those involved are some of our most weak and vulnerable? Do we not even have the power to refrain from preying on our own?

          • Lexonaut

            “Yes, temptations are everywhere but is it not our duty, to refrain from them as much as humanly possible?”

            It depends on the temptation. You would want me to overcome my temptation to be interested in porn. I say no to that one but yes to resisting the temptation to start smoking again.

          • American Tax Payer

            I’ll take it. Keep working on it and I’m happy. I am. I’m quitting EVERYTHING! though I admit, I’m really gonna miss cussing and drinking. Those are my favorites. Oh, and cigarettes always go good with drinkin’ too. But that’s okay. I prefer to be rid of my bad habits.

    • Hilis Hatki

      Porn is the “I Love Lucy” of the World Wide Web.

    • propagandaoftruth

      According to “feminists” whatever destroys women “empowers” them.

    • Exuberant Auditor

      the consensus among feminists was that porn empowers women.

      Nope.

      http://en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Feminist_views_of_pornography

    • MBlanc46

      Only if it’s lesbian porn.

  • superlloyd

    Minorities engaged in racism against other minorities. It can’t be so in the utopian world of diversity. After all, ignorance is strength and diversity is vibrant etc. ad nauseam.

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      Most minority groups dislike each other quite a bit; and the only thing that keeps them in an alliance is how much they hate white people.

    • TruthBeTold

      When this story is repeated by blacks, the fact that the officers are Latinos will be omitted.

      • LHathaway

        lol, Blacks routinely victimize Hispanice for decades. . media report: all we see are horrible racist e-mails.

      • Charles Martel

        Blacks consider everyone smarter than them to be honorary whites.

        • Lexonaut

          With contact white privilege.

    • Charles Martel

      In San Fran leftists where upset that cops noticed blacks only 5% of the population where committing almost all the attacks on gays. Of course cops used other words.

  • Publius Pompilius Quietus

    jy

  • dd121

    Nobody should get too excited about this. That’s who they are. A people with mostly baser instincts.

    • Lexonaut

      This is simply droit de senor.

      • HE2

        Lex, beg your pardon for my nosy intrusion, but it is “droit de seigneur.”
        Question: do you all consider pole dancing a form of porn? The women who perform are nearly naked, paid tips to sit on mens’ laps via bills stuffed into their g-string panties. Some establishments even offer private rooms for further activity, I do not know how “intimate.”
        Not in the least Victorian straight laced, I cannot watch porn of any nature, though yes, I know it has been with us since the beginning of human existence.
        My truth, I find it devaluing of both both men and women.
        We had a dinner party some time back to which one of our invitees brought as his date a very attractive, well dressed, articulate and cultured young woman, a PhD candidate at UC Berkeley and his fellow STEM curriculum classmate.
        Straight faced and unblinking, she told me she functioned as a high class call girl to fund her tuition.
        I admit being shocked, but then, I was raised by Iowa parents.

        • Lexonaut

          “Lex, beg your pardon for my nosy intrusion, but it is “droit de seigneur.”

          Yes, I know it’s droit de seigneur. In fact, I speak French — or at least I used to. You see, this was the Norman French noble estate owner exercising his right to deflower the Saxon serf’s new wife.

          All too many Hispanic men believe they have the same right with respect to their daughters or their nieces, except that a) they’re not nobility, and b) they’re Hispanic, suggesting they speak Spanish, hence my pun that uses the word senor instead of seigneur.

          My Quaker-raised wife told me told me while we were married seniors in college that she thought that being a highly paid call girl sounded like an interesting way to make a lot of money, and that if we hadn’t gotten married she might have given it a try.

          • HE2

            Aha! I had an inkling you might be a playing on words. Was pulling your chain with the correction.
            I had read that a feudal lord’s right to deflower his serf’s virginal daughters was referred to as prima noctis or nocta[e].
            In Mel Gibson’s film, “Braveheart,” Edward Longshanks is seen brutally raping William Wallace’s fiancée as his jus prima noctis.
            I knew of the practice through French history studies, but had never seen it so graphically depicted as in this film.
            Mestizos also claim the right to deflower their virginal daughters.
            Not sure if it is combined with the celebration [quinceañera] of her fifteen b’day.
            In any case, I cannot help but think it is an obscene practice.

  • Fed Up

    I’ve always pointed out how visible Latinos are with respect to sexual misconduct. We’ve seen evidence supporting my position time and time again in the Houston area. Like a fine Mexican grandfather turned in by his daughter-in-law for raping her two and four year old daughters, Mexicans (all Latinos) have the idea rape is OK — that a woman has no right to refuse sex if asked. You don’t hear as many rape complaints at police department levels — only because their “culture” thinks going to the police with a rape complaint is worse than the crime of rape.

    • Lexonaut

      Snitches get stitches …. … Or is it bitches get riches … … Oh hell, I’m going back to sleep.

  • Publius Pompilius Quietus

    These officers are supposed to have had unkind thoughts, so liberals want to charge them with a crime. Change the names, time period, and whom they hate, and liberals today are indistinguishable from fanatical Puritans.

    • Spikeygrrl

      “Change the names, time period, and whom they hate, and liberals today are indistinguishable from fanatical Puritans.”

      Change only the time period, and evangelical/fundamentalist Christians in the USA today are indistinguishable from fanatical Puritans.

      • Lexonaut

        Most teenagers think their parents are indistinguishable from fanatical Puritans. It has always been so.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Who’s talking about teens?

          • Lexonaut

            Geez, S, I saw an opportunity to make a pertinent joke so I took it.

            My wife was raised a Quaker but, trust me, we became joined at the lip at age 16 and she’s no stereotypical Puritan. In fact, she used to have a tee shirt that read “When I’m good I’m very very good … And when I’m bad I’m terrific.”

            And the Puritans were … drum roll please … largely Quakers.

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    “One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called “Black Monopoly” in which every square says “go to jail.”

    Says it all for me. I always sort of wondered about the original board game. You know, what figures were really included. I bet the original game, with the negro lawn jockey, would fetch a good price on eBay, if it were allowed to be auctioned.

    • John Smith

      New mascot for the game:

      • Lexonaut

        Those magazines look like they hold more than ten rounds. Isn’t it racist to depict blacks breaking firearms laws that way?

    • John Smith

      New tokens:

      • how about this

        That is so insensitive to Black culture! You forgot the spinnin’ rims.

      • Sick of it

        No one could seriously create a black Monopoly game without shoes or a pimped out car…

        • Michael Robert Ryan

          Yeah, don’t forget the Nike Cortez, which they love so much they name their keedz after it.

        • Ringo Lennon

          A pink and purple pimpmobile.

      • Charles Martel

        It should be a crack pipe instead of weed

        • John Smith

          They have a crack rock.

      • TCA

        Now THAT’s funny!

    • Hilis Hatki

      And you do not want to land on Martin Luther King Bulavard. The repercussions were too servere to even put in the rules.

      • carriewhite64

        And if you buy all the hotels, you find out later that they are all Section 8.

  • Ed

    Their supposed racism has nothing to do with the convicted’s guilt. These idiots better not released violent people as a result.

  • John Smith

    This is one of those times when Hispanics are considered “white.”

  • how about this

    “One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called “Black Monopoly” in which every square says “go to jail.””

    That is so wrong! In Black Monopoly everyone actually gets about 12 “get out of jail free” cards.

    • Lexonaut

      Ding ding ding!

  • InitialSegment

    More racist white men flaunting their privilege — oh, wait, they’re Hispanic? Narrative collapse strikes again…

    Seriously, though, I’m not surprised. The way I’ve heard some of my Hispanic acquaintances talk about black people would make David Duke sound like Frederick Douglass. And don’t get me started on what the Asians think of them.

    The reality is that black America’s best friend and biggest supporter is, and has been for decades, white America. As our relative numbers shrink, this fact will become very clear.

    • Michael Robert Ryan

      More racist white men flaunting their privilege — oh, wait, they’re Hispanic? Narrative collapse strikes again…

      They were white Hispanics, you racist, just like George Zimmerman!

      • mikey7777

        no such thing,remember there is no such thing as race,oh wait

      • The whole racism roulette wheel spins once again and lands on black!

        • Lexonaut

          Was it a Black Roulette wheel? You know, like Black Monopoly?

  • pcmustgo

    I wonder if these are “white hispanics”, these hispanic officers, or Mulatto Cubans…

    • iberianpride

      Plenty of white people who are of spanish origin. Both these cops looked white to me. What is more worrying is the witch hunt geared towards what people say in their Emails. How long before they start to do that with everyone.

      • Lexonaut

        “How long before they start to do that with everyone.?”

        Whether it’s right or wrong I think every rational person today has to assume that everything they write in emails or post to social media accounts will be made public at some point.

        In other words, if you can’t do the ostracism, don’t do the speechcrime. I don’t like it any more than you do, but AmRen is about race realism and this too is a reality of the race conflicts.

  • TruthBeTold

    Oates identified them as Former Major Angel Vazquez and Former Captain Alex Carulo

    That explains why this isn’t national headline news.

  • Eagle1212

    So much for Miami Beach being paradise.

    • Hilis Hatki

      Para-vice

    • iberianpride

      The Miami beach police department is filled with some real a**holes on a power-trip. I’ve heard plenty of horror stories from people who got roughed up by members of that department in the past

      • mikey7777

        negrows deserve nothing less

  • LHathaway

    Humor is outlawed in multicultural America – unless you’re making fun of White, in which case, that is seemingly the very reason your skit of TV show exists . . .

  • American Tax Payer

    I’m just glad to hear they’re not white.

    • TCA

      They’re white Hispanics.

      • mikey7777

        just go look at the niii(*(&(#&gger emails

      • American Tax Payer

        Who’s that? The Spainards and Portuguese who brought the African Slaves here?

  • IKUredux

    They showed a game board for “Black Monopoly”: Every square says: “Go To Jail”. Now that’s funny. Now, let’s talk porno. Porno is for losers. Which is why the Red Sea Pedestrians are so heavily involved. Now, mind you, RSP are only losers in the sense that they are so GD ugly, no one wants to mate with them, unless, there are monetary incentives. Why do you think so many of them migrated to Europe? They literally needed some “good looking” DNA. That’s why they picked Germany.

    Meanwhile, it would seem that the cops involved with this were Hispanic. Yup, this country will be absolutely FANTASTIC when Whites are the minority.

  • bubo

    As long as the police, the people that must deal with the worst black dysfunction imaginable every day, are human, they will need to have some humor about the situation.

  • Robert Johnson

    I wounder if they happened to find emails sent by black officers? Im sure if they did they would report what they found. Right? Or was they even looked at? I highly doubt they had the microscope out looking.

    • TCA

      Negroes have a different sense of humor. Nothing to find.

      • texasoysterman

        Different for sure. They seem to find kicking YT victims in the head while they are down absolutely hilarious.
        If the WSHH videos are to be believed.

      • mikey7777

        lmfao! yea yea yea

  • Lexonaut

    This is ridiculous. If the officers did what is alleged then maybe they deserve to be fired, but to overturn decided cases because the reprehensible officers were witnesses is absurd. Known criminals testify in trials all the time. Should all those cases be overturned too?

    • mikey7777

      they do “deserve” to be fired. LMFAO for what!It is ok for blacks to write songs and tell jokes all day about whites and we just allow this.Time for all out you know what.

  • TCA

    I think the black-eye-tell-her-more-than-once and the Black Monopoly jokes are both hilarious.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I’d enjoy hearing racist jokes about Obama. Thing is, they’re probably true.

  • bilderbuster

    Just in time for “Urban Beach Week” on Memorial Day weekend.
    A gathering of the “Hip-Hop Nation” on South Beach.

  • MBlanc46

    I wish that all cops could be Boy Scouts. (I wish all Boy Scouts could be Boy Scouts.) However, I find it very hard to believe that people who have to deal with criminals and troublemakers every day, particularly black criminals and troublemakers, aren’t going to have a tough time not developing negative attitudes toward the public, especially blacks. Get used to it or get used to doing without police.

  • dean53

    Hahaha! Black Monopoly where every square says Go to Jail. Lol!

  • pwnful truth

    This is the death knell for America. It would be impossible for a man to police the community and never make a “racially insensitive” remark unless he is wholly corrupt.

  • IstvanIN

    Telling jokes, whether or not they are PC or tasteless, and how one performs one’s official duties are two different things. As long as the officers follow the rules and do not abuse their power and do not use racist language on the public, what business is this of anyone’s? A man’s taste in jokes or political views should have no bearing on keeping his job. Performance on the job is the only thing that should matter.

    • I wouldn’t have used an office computer to joke about suspects, and I would never have used my own computer(s) to joke about whatever happened at work. Both are unprofessional.

    • JohnnyMangoes

      So you would have no problem being in a non-white working environment, or your own son in a non-white working environment, and people having people constantly call him names and make jokes at his expense?

      • IstvanIN

        These were private conversations not public. And yes, I have had to put up with racist comments from blacks,

  • The Skeptic

    If I am not mistaken, both of these officers are Hispanic. Most liberals believe in a false duality of racist white vs. “people of color”, which presupposes unity among Hispanics and African-Americans. What they don’t understand is that very, very few Hispanics share the sense of guilt that many whites hold, which means they are more likely to express racist sentiments, and less likely to support policies that benefit African-Americans.

  • Simonetta

    Police trade porn and ‘offensive racial jokes’ in the line of duty. It gives them a sense of what all the other people out there (some of them, believe it or not, are actually criminals) are downloading and sending to each other in “Not Safe For Work” e-mails.
    And if something is cute and funny and absurdly, totally offensive, like the Black Monopoly cartoon, well then, yeah, they will swap it around with their fellow officers.
    And, this is Miami Beach, where crime and weirdness makes this city as different from normal cities as Las Vegas, NV is from Las Vegas, UT. A big change in the type of porn being swapped around could indicate a completely new sub-culture of weirdos has arrived in town. Which is not uncommon because Miami is a bridge city between North and South America in a way that Des Moines isn’t.

    So, lighten up and let the police do their jobs.

  • American Tax Payer

    Disgusting. There is no excuse for pimping out your own kin.

    We need a big island so we can isolate them until they change. And if they don’t, they just can just stay there ’til they die.