Affirmative Action Thrives at Most Selective Colleges

Carolyn Phenicie, Roll Call, March 23, 2015


Higher education groups have new research that says the most selective private colleges are most likely to use race-conscious admissions, but colleges across the selectivity spectrum, both public and private, have similar measures.

“The practice of race-conscious admissions is not the sole domain of the most selective institutions,” said Lorelle Espinosa, assistant vice president of the Center for Policy Research and Strategy at the American Council on Education, a higher-education advocacy group.

The ACE conducted the survey of practices with the Civil Rights Project at UCLA and Pearson Research.

Preliminary results showed about 80 percent of the most selective private schools–those that admit less than 40 percent of applicants–have a race-conscious admissions policy, a proportion that decreases as schools get less selective.

The most common practices, according to the survey of 338 schools, include articulation agreements that allow students to transfer easily from community colleges, targeted recruitment at high-minority high schools and the use of what is known as holistic application reviews.

Holistic reviews allow schools to consider all facets of an application, including history of overcoming hardship or ability to contribute to diversity on campus, instead of harder data such as test scores or grade point averages that might eliminate qualified minority applicants.

The study also asked colleges which policies were the most effective.

The Effectiveness Test

Holistic review was the only policy to rank among schools’ most commonly used policies as well as the ones that proved most effective, according to Matt Gaertner, a senior researcher with Pearson.

Schools also successfully diversified by setting yield targets to ensure a high number of accepted minority students enrolled or by removing requirements that applicants submit test scores, Gaertner said.


But education experts don’t see a one-size-fits-all solution. Federal regulations are changing and eight states limit or ban affirmative action at public institutions.

Richard McCormick, former president the University of Washington, said voters’ rejection of race-conscious admissions in 1998 led to a dramatic decline on the share of minorities in the next freshman class.

Washington’s admissions officers used surrogates for race to work around the ban and ensure diversity. The school set up privately-funded scholarships for minority applicants, required applicants to detail experience with adversity and diversity, and targeted recruiting at high-minority schools. It took five years to return to pre-ban diversity, McCormick said.


McCormick was president of Rutgers University in New Jersey until 2012. Officials there established the Rutgers Scholars program to target high-achieving middle school students in high-minority districts and provide them with mentors and academic support through high school. Those participants accepted at Rutgers can attend tuition free. The program has been a “huge success,” he said.


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  • cherrie greenbaum123

    The only way you’re going to get them into the middle class is to lower standards which is why the country looks the way it does.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Simply compare reading levels 1960 to today. Even lowering standards, more intelligent types still stubbornly outperform less intelligent types.

      The race to the bottom continues, of course, though infuriatingly enough, smarter types still outperform their IQ challenged peers…

      Go figger.

      • John Smith

        Poor whites outperform upper middle-class negroes. Yet we’ll squander our resource pool of aggregate talent to put those unqualified to be anything except a token of “diversity” into positions that require skill and talent and with predictable results, which often hurt both those so promoted and society as a whole. The best case in point is the current inhabitant of the White Hut.

        • Susan

          White Hut. Funny.

      • Hammerheart

        They may as well be trying to fight gravity.

    • Hammerheart

      Wouldn’t that just be compressing the middle class down to the bottom?

    • Susan

      It’s already a done deal. There is a faux, black middle class because of lowered standards, affirmative action, & political correctness. Sad, sad state of affairs.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    How the diversity ideology translates into practice in the admissions offices of elite universities, as two Princeton researchers discovered:

    “When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions [sociology professors] Espenshade and Radford surveyed. Their diversity-enhancement value was obviously rated very low.”

    That’s our basic problem in modern America. We have “diversity enhancement value.”

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Below is how the diversity ideology translates into practice in the admissions offices of elite universities, as two Princeton researchers discovered in 2010:

    “When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions [sociology professors] Espenshade and Radford surveyed. Their diversity-enhancement value was obviously rated very low.”

    That’s our basic problem in 21st century America. We have “diversity enhancement value.”

    • Susannah

      There is no group anywhere that the elite holds in greater contempt than lower-class Whites. This view is evident throughout many facets of society.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Agreed. Liberal whites (I am thinking of friends) regard lower class whites with contempt. Ironic, isn’t it? Just a few decades ago, when western countries were virtually all white, liberals championed the “working class.” Karl Marx’s “class struggle.” All the while they didn’t give a fig for the working class. Nor do they give a fig about the new focus of their passion: minorities.

        • John Smith

          They care about the non-working classes now.

        • Realist

          Both right, left and everything else are for votes and will do and say anything to get them.

      • LHathaway

        Haha, it is a race to the bottom.

      • John Smith

        “Redneck, hillbilly, white trash, trailer trash,” etc. are all acceptable slurs now.

        • carriewhite64

          As well as any label that targets one a Southerner.

          • carriewhite64

            A white Southerner.

          • Susan

            Yes, indeed. Southerners are stereotyped as uneducated rednecks/hicks straight out of Deliverance (the ’70s movie.) And dear gawd, the BooBoo series didn’t help! We’re all gun totin’, tobaccy chewin’, incestuous, illiterate hicks down here. And most people don’t know the difference between a southern accent and redneck vernacular.

          • Susannah

            Whenever Hollywood wishes to portray a White character as backward, racist, or merely rural, they will often have the character speak in a (horribly fake) Southern accent. This is sometimes true even if the setting is not in the South.

            My sons were recently watching a ridiculous episode on Nickelodeon where the main characters were robbed by White guys with fake Southern accents – in Los Angeles. I turned off the show in disgust.

          • carriewhite64

            I have noticed this in media too many times to count. It “triggers” me.

          • carriewhite64

            Yes, the hostility towards all white Southerners is obvious in media. I shouldn’t be surprised anymore, but it’s still kind of shocking when I realize that non-Southern people assume that I’m stupid because I have a Southern accent.

          • Susannah

            Emphatically yes. We are one of the few remaining groups they can still disparage at will, with no repercussions.

    • John Smith

      It’s designed to keep poor whites poor. Whites will be the new underclass. I see it in rural areas and one of the few saving graces for them has been the prior lack of diversity they’ve had to live with, but leave it to Big Brother to change even that while giving them the shaft everywhere else in their lives.

    • stringtheoryrob

      Ultimately it comes down to entitled whites who hate their race, love themselves . Remove their entitlement. Difficult for sure but not impossible. Zero out the education budget and give students vouchers for any school they want. I have said the same thing on other boards regarding VA issues.

      It really comes down to who benefits: The government program or it’s intended users.

  • TomIron361

    This is fine with me. It’s long past time White people turned their backs on these so called “institutions of higher learning.”

  • JohnEngelman

    Affirmative action is one of the reasons employers are often reluctant to hire blacks, even when they have the same academic credentials as whites.

    • Deacon Blue

      Since I have pragmatic experience with AA/EEOC whack-a-nuts, I vehemently disagree John. While obvious to you, me and others here who say, receive a CV or resume from someone with a Black sounding name, what about resumes from people with rather mundane and common first and surnames? Bob Smith or John Jones or Mike Tyson {had a White guy with that name send me his resume}.

      Truth be told, most of the time I can’t discern from a resume I glance over the
      race of the sender {we’ll assume the Blacks have lied on their resume and
      paid someone who is literate to compile it for them}. And yet still the 300 pound.
      Sherizilla from the state agency who “investigated” my company for our
      supposed lack of diversity and violation of various state/federal hiring practices
      as related to race, of course the “Black race” specifically pulled resumes we had on file to see why we just weren’t interviewing or hiring a “diverse enough” staff. I’m not sure how I am supposed to divine the race of someone from the resume {fanciful names and perhaps the location of former employers excluded} but I wish I could and so does the AA/EEOC ironically.

      Seriously, if I received a resume from a person who I could verify possessed, for sake of argument, an undergrad degree in a discipline related to my business and a graduate business degree and know that said person was Black? I would absolutely put that person to the front of the interview line ahead of any other White candidate. And despite my painfully obvious detestation of Blacks on just about any level imaginable, I’d likely do cartwheels to try to hire such a Black MBA even if the skill set possessed was marginal.

      Why? Because I want to get the govt off my back and since every other White and even non-White {Asian, Indian} owned company located in the industrial park where my business sits has witnessed quite clearly what happened to me, all of them would do the same. I know this as fact, John.

      So your statement may ring logical on its face but in practice? I just want the
      state diversity police to leave me the f*ck alone and everyone within earshot
      of my company is afraid they are next.

      So sorry, if I I got a “Black CV” from a professional Black? Heaven forbid I
      don’t bring this person in as fast as possible because if the person is
      remotely qualified and does not get the call and then complains? I get
      excoriated in the local media, I have to deal with service worker unions
      picketing in my parking lot and I get to deal with the more attractive, minority
      TV reporter shoving a microphone in my face as I try to go home after work
      looking for my comments for the 6PM newsreel.

      You have not even considered the collateral damage. The owners of the day
      care that watch my kids told me they felt “uncomfortable” having us as clients,
      John! When we were in the local town newspaper because of the investigations
      {multiple, one for the racist hiring practices and one for the sexual harassment
      the one Black employee I had at the time left in his wake} my wife was
      immediately ostracized by her {Korean} Women’s Volunteer Church Group,
      John! It was suggested I leave the Rotary Club. At least until things
      simmered down a bit. You know, take one for the betterment of everyone
      else. How would the Rotarians explain having me as a member to the press?

      So I learned a truly valuable lesson, albeit a bit later than maybe I should
      have, about Blacks and hiring practices. No doubt they are parasitic drag
      and cause all sorts of antibusiness shenanigans. They steal constantly.
      They often have controlled substances in their blood or on their persons.

      I look at them as {yet another} tax placed on my business that I have no
      choice but to pay. And if I complain or risk working around it, there is no
      doubt that if/when I am found the state will perp walk me and cut me off at
      the knees. And so I absolutely learned.

      In today’s America, in business at least, if you can find a Black with
      even a quasi-valid credential you can’t overlook that person, you really want
      to go the extra mile to hire that person no matter how useless the person really may be, John.

      Because when the fat c*nt with the Creole accent comes in you can point
      to “the brother” and show her that you’re not racist and you “embrace
      diversity” even if the thought of it makes your skin crawl and even if you would
      never let any of these people come to your house to clean your toilets.

      I realize this may not sit well with the “pure” idealists who are race realists.
      I’m a businessman first and race realist somewhere after that. We have
      >50 FTE while only a few are Black we have a majority of Asian and Hispanic line workers and better than 50% women. When it hit the proverbial fan and the phones rang from other companies we had a B2B with that wanted to distance themselves from us? The existential threat became actualized. Truly, I wondered if we would survive as a business. We had to make appearances at local Black churches for Sunday Mass and I had to clench my jaw as “the bishop” condescendingly told me what my sins were, what the sins of all White Americans are. We had to sponsor a booth at a minority hiring fair {$$$} on a monthly basis for a year, John.

      Yeah, I might be slightly bitter about all this.

      So with all due respect, and yeah, I really like you and agree with you 99%+
      of the time, John…but you are way off here. WAY OFF! You have it backwards
      for sure.

      • John Smith

        Actually, I think you’re both right. Employers ARE reluctant to hire them, but they do anyway because govt. is holding a gun to their head if they don’t.

        BTW, you might want to edit because I’m guessing the info about your wife’s background and your probable location in LA give away too much about you and you’ve expressed concerns about this.

      • Susan

        Deacon Blue, thank you for your post. I learned a lot. I feel very bitter about it for you. Your experiences are exactly why I frequently say that AA & PC are destroying civilization. The collateral damage for hiring an incompetent black is enormous all over the country! And there are SO many AA hires throughout every level in education. You can imagine the domino effect damage that causes. How long can this dystopian practice continue before society collapses.

    • Alden

      You are thinking rationally; that an employer would be reluctant to hire someone unqualified.
      Because of draconian monitoring by several levels of govt and non profits like NAACP employers are desperately eager to hire any blacks they can find.

      Useless blacks are hired, never laid off no matter how useless. They are given a make work job where they can do no harm. Egregious misbehavior such as 3 hour lunches, harassment of women, screeching tantrums and constant arguments are all toke rated if blacks do them

      It’s not like when you were young in the early days of affirmative action when people assumed affirmative action blacks would be competent

      • JohnEngelman

        As a computer programmer I have worked with several hundred programmers. Four of them were black. Two of those owed their jobs to affirmative action, and were useless. Of the other two, one was my best friend in the company.

      • Deacon Blue

        Bingo! This man wins the prize! I have two Black males on payroll now
        who {on the books} cost me about $72K/year in salaries + benefits. They
        sit in a shared office down a long hallway away from anyone else. Their office contains high speed computers, high speed internet and is by
        geography, “sound proof” from everyone else. They play computer games for better than 3 hours each day anyhow. I am lucky if I can get 2-3 hours of legit work product from them. They are overpaid on an hourly basis by at least 50%. Despite both of them having “college degrees” they are both incapable of thought past the length of a Tweet. If this were the least of it you would never hear me complain. The bigger issue is that the two of them {despite their office isolation} tend to cause better than 30% of all my HR related problems in a company with > 50 full timers. They constantly whine that they are “discriminated against”
        because they do not have the opportunity for any 1.5X rate OT.
        I have watched them steal office supplies, they raid the supply closet
        at will. I have no idea why they steal staplers, grosses of Bic pens
        with the company name on it, Scotch tape, etc., but they do. Lunch?
        It starts at 11A and maybe we hear them come back at 130P-200P. The same people who complain about a lack of overtime are constantly out
        the door at 530P on the nose. Not a minute later. They have never
        clocked in early, even by a minute, ever, not one time. When they
        feel the need to “stretch their legs” they walk through the production
        area without OSHA mandated protected gear {despite being warned
        at least 2-3X/week about this, in writing} to essentially harass the
        White and Hispanic women who do line work for us. Yet short of either
        of them killing a small child on the premises, marinating the body
        and then putting it on a BBQ in the parking lot in public there is NO WAY
        I can get rid of these clowns. My hope is that the police will do it for me
        and one or both will end up arrested and convicted since they usually
        reek of marijuana when they come into work and after lunch. Helps
        them “relax” I suppose, right? Worse, both of them know we’re stuck
        with the two of them. So who is the real slave here? EXACTLY!

  • Atheist Realist

    i only ok with affirmative action at these schools if the minimum admission is 2000 SAT where the black students, although a little less qualified, are still top-notch

    • APaige

      It is STILL a huge difference. Blacks that are ‘accepted’ to MIT rank in the top 10 percent of their high school class in math. Which is an achievement within itself, but once they step on to campus those Blacks are in the bottom top percent at MIT. That is a clear example of the mismatch caused by affirmative action. So with even minimums being enforced the gap is huge.

      • That is one of the tricks. The top scoring students at a ghetto school have lower performance than the bottom scoring students at more un-diverse White or Asian schools. This is how one can admit unqualified Black applicants

      • deep_enough

        Oh, it’s worse than that, much worse. Not only are they (AA admissions) IN the bottom decile, they ARE the bottom decile. About 6% of MIT undergraduates are black these days, so clearly they cannot make up the entire bottom 10%. But you can bet they make up about half of it. And the rest of it is composed almost entirely other “diversity” students (its about 15% “hispanic” now).

        MIT is presently about 36% white (and 45% female), so figure about 20% of undergraduates are white guys. A white guy today has a far lower change of getting into MIT than he did 40 or 50 years ago. Forget the bottom decile, there aren’t many white guys in the bottom third of their class.

        And the average (mean or median) white/black IQ difference at MIT is far more than it is for the overall population.

        • Yancy Derringer

          What would you guess it is? 10? 15? 20?

  • RacialRay

    Lowering the bar to admit special chocolate snowflakes based on no more than skin color, where they would otherwise not nearly qualify, is one thing. Educating them once they’ve been admitted is quite another.

    How does one adjust the academic rigor of an engineering curriculum, for instance, to accommodate those whose ancestors never even discovered the wheel?

    • Reynardine

      The next move is to lower in-college achievement standards for blacks so they can ‘succeed’ in a ‘racist’ system.

      Soon, 1.5 GPA Sports Dindus will be graduating Magna Cum Laude just for showing up to class.

      • Susan

        Well, they’re already graduating, not Cum Laude, but they have those degrees. Blacks who play sports at colleges get fake degrees all the time.

        • Blackfish

          I suspect most black athletes leave school as soon as their eligibility expires. Many (most?) do not earn degrees. Those that do are awarded degrees in worthless subjects like Sociology, Criminal Justice (ironic!) or Black Studies.

    • Fathercoughlin

      Their greatest discovery was when they discovered dem white wimmens. They are far more concerned with them than the wheel,I guarantee ya!

    • Alden

      The profs are just under orders to give them Bs and if they complain As

    • Susan

      My guess is that they’re not as prevalent in engineering and STEM classes & majors, because for those courses you either know or don’t the material. The colleges can’t afford to send a dumb bell out in the real science, math, engineering world who hasn’t a clue. But anyone can get a degree in black studies, women studies, etc. A travesty.

  • superlloyd

    Diversity is perversity and affirmative action is racial discrimination against whites and honorary whites (East Asians). Time for this nonsense to be consigned to history.

    • Phoenixian Westernia

      Affirmative Action is a privilege based on skin colour.

      Preferential Hiring for the purpose of promoting Diversity in a workforce is a privilege based on skin colour.

  • Dindu Nuffins

    Affirmative Action is simply an admission by government that blacks can’t compete without special assistance.

  • Poupon Marx

    The Treason Marxist/Communists-largely Jewish-are smart enough to know that once you give someone something they don’t deserve, it is exceedingly hard to take it away, even if it morally bankrupt and illegal.

  • Pericles

    Has anybody white put themselves Down as African-american when applying to a university?

    • connorhus

      I only did it for employment. Used an obviously Back name and then a Female one. I always got a call back for the Black and Female resumes, rarely when I used my own name.

      Wish I had thought to try it when I was in school.

      • LHathaway

        I believe you and yet, during the same odd-time, the last 40 years or so, not a day goes by where there is not an article written suggesting that the exact opposite, that the exact opposite of reality, is the truth.

        • connorhus

          I know the lies about favoritism supposedly given to White Men that the Feminist/Multi-Cult spreads but what I saw with my own eyes and lived was the complete opposite. I first noticed it in the 90’s where my then wife and I found ourselves unemployed at the same time due to the company we worked for closing. I had a degree and certifications while she had a GED with less than half the experience and when we both applied for the same positions she always got a call back. Which is what prompted me to make the two different resumes.

          I have mentioned it on this forum before. Out of the many sets of resumes I turned in they were weeding out the White Men before references were even being checked. I was only caught by one HR (Always a Woman BTW) person and she even admitted she just happened to have two of resumes together or wouldn’t have caught it herself.

      • Interesting. One occasionally reads about researchers doing what you did and finding there is discrimination against women and Blacks.

        • connorhus

          I have read some of those but one thing they never seem to mention is when they believe the discrimination happens. Most started their “findings” during the interview process. My theory, which played true, was that it happens long before any references are even checked. They were simply looking at names. Also, and this is important, I did this from the Mid 90’s to the early 00’s because it seemed during that period companies were closing left and right all of a sudden in my (then) field. I believe at the time most of these companies in the Midwest had to up their minority employee counts for government contracts or lose them.

          • John Smith

            You could’ve used whatever Boehner does on his skin and then just gone to work sitting at a desk playing computer games and drinking coffee all day as a token.

          • Alden

            You are so lucky your black employees are content to play computer games all day. All and I do mean all the blacks I have worked with spend the day arguing, gossiping, snitching and lying about others to the boss and having. Screeching tantrums

            Old southern saying: hire one black get half the work done. Hire two blacks get no work done.

          • John Smith

            I’m thinking about going back to school for a medical technical profession and there were two negro females in the info meeting. One got to the info session a little bit late and seemed dumb. The other got there an hour late, spoke poor English (probably African), and was utterly frickin’ clueless. I just can’t see why the teacher didn’t straight up tell the second one that she’s just too stupid to make it and avoid aggravating herself and others.

    • Jason Lewis

      Many I know use Native American.

      • John Smith

        Cough, Elizabeth Warren, cough.

    • James Hamilton

      I was seriously tempted to put my ethnicity down as black when joining a professional association, what with race just being a social construct and all. If I self identify as black who is anyone to tell me that I’m less of a negro that Kunta Kinteh?

      • WR_the_realist

        I put myself down as African American on the census. I figure there’s no downside to the federal government thinking I’m black and if enough other people did that in my town the feds would think my town is already diversified, so no reason to diversify it further.

    • John Smith

      I believe some South African whites have, IIRC.

    • Alden

      I did it for a job. I would have been homeless had I not. I applied for the job 2 years in a row and never heard from them then I checked the black box and gave the clerk the application in the morning.
      I came home yay evening and found a message on my phone. Not come in for an interview but can you come in tomorrow and the rest of the week for training
      We are a beleaguered hated low caste group. We must do what we need to do to survive.

      • Susan

        How’d you get away with that? Didn’t anyone notice when you went to work that you weren’t black?

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Liberals are staunch supporters of racial discrimination. White liberals will even gladly discriminate against their own kind via affirmative action before ever admitting their cherished racial equality dogma is just that, foolish unsupported dogma that has zero basis in fact.

  • guest

    “80 percent of top schools use racial preferences.”

    80 percent of top schools have thrown away their higher education and replaced it all with diversity and politically correct indoctrination. Colleges have gone from being respectable places to being no different than an insane asylum.

    • John Smith

      Apparently neither MIT or Caltech do to any great extent.

    • Susan

      College degrees once meant that someone spent 4 years doing rigorous course work in legitimate classes, and actually earned a degree. For negroes that’s not the case & college degrees aren’t respected because of this. This kind of dystopian practice is destroying a once vibrant society.

  • Jason Lewis

    Her article unintentionally shows the need for nationalism.

  • LHathaway

    Every organization uses affirmative action, from cradle to grave non-whites benefit. Even those just off the plane.

  • Johann Wald

    Sort of like this.

    • Secret Person

      I’m wondering if whites are waking up and checking a different box to bypass the racist holistic system.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    “Richard McCormick, former president the University of Washington, said voters’ rejection of race-conscious admissions in 1998 led to a dramatic decline on the share of minorities in the next freshman class. Washington’s admissions officers used surrogates for race to work around the ban and ensure diversity. The school set up privately-funded scholarships for minority applicants, required applicants to detail experience with adversity and diversity, and targeted recruiting at high-minority schools. It took five years to return to pre-ban diversity, McCormick said.”

    Two things to gather from the above passage:

    1. Once merit was emphasized and race deemphasized for acceptance purposes minority acceptance sharply declined. That alone tells you that minority candidates can’t compete based on merit.

    2. McCormick, as the state representative for the state institution, just basically admitted he intentionally and willfully disregarded the citizens’ vote and devised a new scheme to make race the paramount admissions criteria.

    This is why Liberals, and really nearly all politicians, cannot be trusted or compromised with. They have a vision of a New America and they will not be deterred by silly little things like elections or the public will.

    • Exactly. All over the US, politicians and race mongering University officials blatantly oppose and counteract the declared will of the voters. They install a “holistic review” where they secretly favor Blacks and all other non-whites.

      Thus they can work around the quota prohibition the voting public has instituted.

  • Harry

    How do they (think ‘N-word’) pass the Bar exam in the U.S.? I still haven’t figured that one out. My guess is, like MLK and his bogus PhD, they are getting a free pass.

    • baldowl

      They’re all physicists and professors and astronauts and presidents these days. Don’t you watch any television?

      • Harry

        Any fool can become President, which is a ‘rubber stamp’ position to begin with. We have had only one President with a PhD: Woodrow Wilson and that was almost 100 years ago.

        • John Smith

          And he was the most racially conscious one of all.

          • Michael Robert Ryan

            Yet ironically still one of the worst.

        • Alden

          And he was blackmailed by Bernard Barouch and the British govt his entire term because of letters his long term girl friend kept showing an illegitimate son and a life long adulterous affair
          That is what got us into WW 1 and got the federal reserve approved

          • Michael Robert Ryan

            I never knew that about Wilson, but it doesn’t surprise me at all. He was one abysmal president.

    • Susan

      The same standards do not apply to blacks. They don’t have to know anything to pass the bar exam. The government pays someone else to take the exam for them.

      • Harry

        Da gubment dont’s needs to’s hires a peepo fo dat. Just rite in a Skillcraft grade and gibs dem a lice-ense to praktiss law n stuff.

  • libertarian1234

    It would suit me fine if AA were eliminated altogether, especially since these institutes of social engineering also extend AA to grading and certification as well as entry.
    Blacks that can barely read, write and are at about a sixth grade level on math, are inundating colleges right now.
    Many of them are EXACTLY like the “gentle giant” in Ferguson who had great difficulty in doing basic math, reading and writing, yet show up in colleges speaking ebonics and screaming that everything that crosses their paths is racist. If the remainder of them aren’t that bad, they’re still not much better.

    • Alden

      6th grade math? I doubt it.

  • Harry

    “..high-achieving middle school students in high-minority districts..”
    (LOL) “2 n 2 equal fou and stuff, cracka.”

  • TruthBeTold

    Holistic review

    Lib Speak.

    • John Smith

      It could mean any damned thing they want.

  • Cato

    OK, I think I understand this now. Mate with a barnyard animal, and expect to be richly rewarded when your offspring applies to university–every school wants to show that they have admitted a large proportion of the barnyard animal population.

    • Alden

      Obsolete Farm Equipment

      Save yourself a lot of trouble and just check the black bix

  • James Hamilton

    Giving blacks a free pass through college won’t help them in the long run. They just aren’t up to it. In Texas the black bar exam pass rate is half the white pass rate. These are blacks that have obtained law degrees, with help from affirmative action. I imagine most other states are the same. When affirmative action meets blind marking reality wins.

    • John Smith

      AA guarantees that any non-Asian minority receiving an academic credential falls under a cloud of suspicion as to their actual intellectual abilities.

      • Michael Robert Ryan

        Yes, it’s as cruel and unfair to the talented tenth as it is to whites.

    • Susan

      Probably the majority of the ones that pass the bar exam don’t know the material. They pay someone else to take the exams. There are all sorts of ways for blacks to get degrees, certifications, etc. without having to pass tests, and lack of knowledge doesn’t matter.

  • humura

    It took Washington 5 years to get back to the level of minority enrollment as before the change in the law. Translate – it took the univ. administrators 5 years to discover the best way to defy the law and continue to discriminate against white people.
    Affirmative action for the lesser qualified is negative action against the better and best qualified. It is discrimination against whites.

    • John Smith

      Yeah, negroes didn’t suddenly evolve to be that much smarter in five years.

  • JackKrak

    Funny that these students who are supposed to enhance everyone’s university experience with the “diversity” that they bring are the same ones who want racially exclusive dorms and join racially exclusive fraternities.

    Remind me again how white people benefit from this?

  • Yancy Derringer

    “Ability to contribute to diversity on campus”? Again, this is racial bias, discrimination against whites. Are they going to admit a white Parisian ahead of an American suburban black? Of course not, even though the Parisian would bring far more diversity to the student body than the different skin-colored applicant.

  • Light from the East

    Then we can conclude that a minority person, especially whose IQ is below 100, entering Rutgers University does not have the same ability and performance as the majority white.

    • Susan

      If they’re black that doesn’t matter. IQ isn’t a priority, only skin color.

  • MooTieFighter

    No one is ever going to give them equal respect if their standards are lower. Funny how they expect the same amount of respect but can’t or want work as hard for it.

    • Susan

      The major problem is that most aren’t capable—don’t have the IQ—of doing college level work. Such practices as affirmative action in schools, particularly colleges, benefits no one. It makes black students resentful and angry because they can’t do the work, and dumbs-down everything for other students. College degrees aren’t even respected any more because so many aren’t worth anything. Such majors as black studies, women studies are a joke to any employer.

  • Alden

    I don’t completely understand. Do you approve of Chinese taking over our campuses and all the skilled well paid jobs?

  • cjkcjk

    Second to last paragraph ends by effectively saying it took five years to evade the peoples will, the law, and return to preexisting levels of discrimination against Whites.
    They are despicable racists congratulating themselves on their success.

  • InitialSegment

    I’m seeing the effects of such policies as a STEM professor at one of those “selective” institutions, which like most goes out of its way to recruit minorities and trumpets its commitment to “diversity” at every turn. Our department graduates 20-30 undergraduate majors annually. Some of these have been black Africans and West Indians or the children of wealthy, educated black immigrants — they’re already the cream of their countries’ crops and usually do quite well. (And there is the usual vast overrepresentation of East and South Asians.) But in my decade on the faculty here, not a single traditionally African-American student has ever made it past our freshman-level courses. Not one. They can’t seem to handle math beyond the early high school level, their lab work is sloppy, their papers unreadable. These students are usually nice and (initially) enthusiastic, and they don’t come off in person as unintelligent. But by every academic metric, they are *far* behind their peers — often a crushing blow to their self-image since they were at the top of their classes in high school. They scrape by in the end with C-‘s or D’s, and if it weren’t for grade inflation, many would get F’s.

    I’m agnostic on the culture vs. genetics debate, but whatever it was during their first 18 years that left the African-American students so academically ill-prepared on average, from what I’ve witnessed there’s damned little that can be done to fix it by the time they start higher education. The university readily provides private tutors, extra time on exams, remedial classes, etc., but nothing ever seems to work.

    • Susan

      Affirmative action works throughout elementary & secondary schools. Students are given grades they haven’t earned and actually are not capable of earning. They may well be top of their classes in high school, but they didn’t get there by rigorous work or merit. It’s a sham. They got into college ONLY because they’re black. A white student wouldn’t be allowed to do that. Tutoring, remedial classes, extra time, etc. will never work, because these AA students are not capable of doing even high school level work, but are passed on anyway—because they’re black. As a college professor, you no doubt already know this. I believe this phenomenon is exceedingly disastrous to society.

    • Alden

      The blacks who get into engineering have IQs around 100 105. With grade inflation, tutoring etc they think they are prepared
      But they are not That’s the problem, IQ

      Whites with 100 IQs take practical math or get C- in algebra1 and accept they will never be engineers. The teachers and counselors don’t push them into top 50 universities

      But any black with a normal IQ who behaves like a civilized person is looked upon as a genius deserving of Stanford or Harvard

    • Secret Person

      Sounds like serious mismatch. There is no favors done to these blacks nor to qualified students who were turned away.

  • Susan

    Absolutely. Affirmative action is flagrantly destructive to a civilized society.

  • listenupbub

    It is funny that Duke University had a higher percentage of black students than UNC-CH back in my day, though UNC had a great in-state quota for the relatively black state of NC, while Duke had no quota and was seriously more selective and expensive.

  • Tony Murphy

    Anyone check the proportion of ‘Whites’ that are actually Jewish? If fairness applied it should be a ratio of about 1:25.

    Color me surprised if that’s the way it is.