For Some, Location of Brown’s Hands Irrelevant

David A. Lieb and Holbrook Mohr, AP, November 27, 2014

The word spread within minutes of Michael Brown’s death–a young black man with his hands raised in surrender had just been shot by a white cop.

Soon, “Hands Up. Don’t Shoot!” became a rallying cry for protesters in the streets of this St. Louis suburb and a symbol nationwide of racial inequality for those who believe that minorities are too often the targets of overzealous police.

Yet the witness accounts contained in thousands of pages of grand jury documents reviewed by The Associated Press show many variations about whether Brown’s hands were actually raised–and if so, how high.

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Some witnesses said the 18-year-old had his hands held high toward the sky as Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson gunned him down midday Aug. 9. Others thought they saw his hands partially raised, about shoulder high. To some witnesses, his palms appeared out, as if surrendering. To others, his palms seemed open, as if glancing at his wounded hand or gesturing with an attitude of “what are you going to do about it.” Some said Brown’s hands weren’t raised at all.

{snip}

After a Missouri prosecutor announced Monday night that the grand jury had decided not to indict Wilson, the symbolic chant of “Hands Up. Don’t Shoot!” rang out from protesters from Los Angeles to New York to London.

{snip}

Wilson told the grand jury that Brown had his left hand in a fist at his side and his right hand under his shirt at his waist, and was charging toward him.

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Some of the witness accounts of the shooting differed so much they didn’t seem like the same scene.

“I saw him in the middle of the street on his knees with hands up,” one witness said. “(The) officer came up to him and shot him in his head and he fell.”

Another witness was insistent that Brown was on his feet and did not raise his hands.

“The officer was already in pursuit of him. He stopped. He did turn, he did some sort of body gesture, I’m not sure what it was, but I know it was a body gesture,” the witness said. “And I could say for sure he never put his hands up after he did his body gesture, he ran towards the officer full charge.”

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Architect Evan Chakroff was among the protesters this week in Seattle. He said the “Hands Up” gesture is far from a literal representation of the circumstances of Brown’s death.

“My sense is that it’s totally symbolic and a way of representing powerlessness” in the face of inequality and militarized police, he said.

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  • The AP is just getting around to confirming what I concluded beyond a reasonable doubt on August 18.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Where’s the outrage for poor officer Wilson who’s life is ruined for doing his job, eh? Who got vindicated?

      Blacks and eloi traitors really hate us, don’t they?

      • Fed Up

        Yeah, and I hate liberals and liberal liars even more than I dislike our dysfunctional Black population. They can’t even come to terms that they, themselves are the reason for so much poverty and unemployment among Blacks. After all, what business is willing to hire a Black male or female who is almost functionally illiterate. Who can’t follow written or verbal directions. Who is incapable of presenting the impression at an interview — that they could actually do the job they’d be hired to do.

        • propagandaoftruth

          Seriously – look at how blacks lash out naturally at Whites when left to their own without eloi direction. They go straight to the mickey dee’s and liquor store, then fueled on artery clogging grease and the hard stuff, proceed to loot and burn their own stuff!

          The real enemy IS ourselves – but not the guy in the mirror – the eloi.

          The eloi is the treacherous, self hating, weak, passive aggressive, messianic, overly evolved White who has enough brains to do something structurally dangerous, or just lend his pathetic voice and body to the cause of White genocide.

          The eradication of all evil is a form of evil. When people fix too many problems and destroy evil too thoroughly, they forget what it even looks like. They psychologize it and try to fix it and help it. They turn the other cheek and refuse to acknowledge it, are affronted at the suggestion. They then become the evil ones in their effort to snuff out all “evil”.

          Libtards love to call their enemies evil. Hypocrites.

        • Speedy Steve

          I regret to inform you that they are no longer liberals in any sense. They stifle free speech, they detest free trade, and are generally unpleasant. Many of them would like to see their political adversaries in gulags. I’ve taken to denouncing the leftards as communists even if it means I seem like a retrograde cold warrior.

        • Garrett Brown

          The qualities you listed are because of extremely low IQs, not because of Liberals.

      • See The Future

        We are seeing the beginning of anarchy in this country.

        Officer Wilson had been suspended pending a Grand Jury investigation. He was cleared of wrong doing. In a civilized society, Officer Wilson should be back at his job, business as usual. Civilized people would accept the circumstances and decision. Officer Wilson will be denied his career and have to live in fear of assault and or death. Even the president failed to support the rule of law even going so far as to say it is a nation wide problem.

        What we see in America is anarchy………mob rule.

        • cherrie greenbaum123

          The president has done everything he can to subvert the rule of law, not only in this case but in all areas. We’ve got a helluva problem that I fear only a November 22nd, 1963 solution will fix.

        • Jake Frizzell

          Jewish control of America hasn’t been good for America.

        • Max

          If you think we live under “anarchy” just try doing YOUR own thing; you know, like open a store for “whites only”. You’ll find out very quickly just how much rule and law enforcement we live under. Anarchy denotes no government or rulership. We have just the opposite; everything you do is subject to scrutiny, approvaI, licensure and sanction from some hostile bureacracy. It is simply the case that this machinery has largely been turned against the cultural tradition of Anglo-Europeans.

          The mob does not actually rule. They are the instument of the real rulers.

          • See The Future

            AGREE with Max comment. It is actually worse for us than pure anarchy.

      • LHathaway

        Yes, in the end, we will all be Eloi, won’t we?

        I remember reading relatively recently Langston Hughes, I believe it was, who claimed the root of black oppression was white violence. His idea wasn’t news to me. Because the idea that violence is at the root of political correctness has been percolating in my mind for a couple of decades now. I think you’ll find these eloi you ‘perjure’ are willing to be quite firm in dealing with dissenting Whites. Whites have to watch every tiny thing they say and do. And I should have said, whites and whites only. They have whites shaking in their shoes. They would prefer not to reference (well, they will reference naked violence), but that is what will rule us all in the end. No matter what you say.

        • propagandaoftruth

          Eloi are individually weak willed, weak minded, intellectual and physical cowards.

          The depend on numbers, the “teacher’s pet” trick of hiding behind authority and passing names, and a passive aggressive form of social bullying that is quite effective.

          The seek to dominate discourse by insisting on never being insulted, an ever shifting verbal/social minefield, the limits of which move as needed. They remind me of the worst of inquisitorial ecclesiastical mandarins when given positions of authority.

          They are like Robert Jordan’s fantasy world “Whitecloaks” in some ways – supreme crusading goody two shoes whose quest to destroy “evil” is a crushing form of evil itself.

          Academia – especially the Humanities and Social Sciences – is the real home nest of them, not the boob tube nor “Washington”, by the way…

          • LHathaway

            In the book, the Eloi were nothing but a food source for the morlocks. They were fleshed out a bit in one of the movies. How you’ve turned them into bullies is something of a mystery, but perhaps that is what the phrase ‘Eloi’ stands for these days. I don’t envy the future for the Eloi but the bible proclaims that it is the meek who will inherit the earth. You should be concerned though. It will turn out that the Morlocks are better at being nice, when that is what is favored, than you are. They will be better at you at that, too.

          • propagandaoftruth

            Dire Eloi?

    • ghettovalley

      In August I joined a Michael Brown Facebook group and left the comment “I bet that we find out Michael Brown was in the process of committing a violent crime, just like Trayvon Martin, and was justifiably shot by the police officer.” Of course I was immediately accused of being racist, my comment removed, and was subsequently blocked from further discussion. And of course I was also 100% correct. Some of these progressive types have a high IQ, the ability to think critically, the ability to reason. So why couldn’t they see this coming like the rest of us?

  • JJCULLEN

    We Know his hands are on his chest palms down, and they will be for eternity.

    • 48224

      The real lesson here is that if black men want to avoid being shot to death by a white man….they probably shouldn’t assault a white man in the first place. This is apparently too complex for blacks to understand.

      • 4321realist

        It was Crump who said there’s too many white on black shootings and that it is getting to be an epidemic and needs to stop.

        Somebody needs to tell him outright with the utmost force…right on t.v…….that the best way to get it to stop is for black criminals to stop trying to kill and assault whites, including the cops, if they don’t want to get shot.

        And he needs to be told to stop whining about what blacks bring on themselves.

        • See The Future

          Guiliani did say so on CNN. He said 93 percent of black deaths are caused by other blacks.

          I did have a strong sense that the CNN talking head did not appreciate the comment.

          • johningermany

            God bless Guiliani for having the guts to speak the truth.

          • 48224

            The only reason Guiliani told the truth is because he doesn’t plan to run for political office again.

          • johningermany

            Sad but probably true.

    • Anna Tree

      By the way, regarding where his hands were:
      One journalist from VOX thought that the officer’s statement about Brown reaching in his waste band proved that the officer was lying because Brown didn’t have a weapon. For the benefit of the uninformed journalist, and those of you who have not had to be up close and personal with a thug, I’ll explain. These thugs, all colors which includes white, make a statement by wearing their pants down. All cops know that this is a benefit because when it’s time to dance, restricts the perps mobility and also defeats their weak hand when they have to hold them up to tango. Brown was not reaching in his wasteband, he was reaching for his wasteband to hold up his pants while he charged the officer.
      (found this on the web)

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    My sense is that it’s totally symbolic and a way of representing powerlessness
    .
    Yeah, because symbolism is so important when determining culpability.

  • Luca

    “For Some, Location of Brown’s Hands Irrelevant”.

    For some, facts, forensic evidence, common sense, arrest records, police testimony, video footage and White eyewitnesses are irrelevant too,

    • Oil Can Harry

      “For some” is a reference to 95% of the black community.

      • Speedy Steve

        95% of African’ts make the other 5% look bad.

        • Garrett Brown

          Who cares? They all need to be sent to Liberia.

    • Douglas Quaid

      Right, I like how the AP article dutifully neglects to mention that the vast majority of eyewitnesses corroborated Wilson’s story, these were black folks too mind you. No, forget that, keep talking about the perjurers who talked about “Hands up don’t shoot!”

  • Chasmania

    …And we’re supposed to be able to reason with these people ?

    This reminded me of the time I caught a few moments on the Indian/Pakistani radio station in Dallas Tx. The commentator and a guest were speaking in Pashtun/Indian/Whatever-stanese and the word “compromise” kept popping up amidst the other language, and that’s when it struck me… They literally had no word for the concept of compromising. It was outside their realm of understanding. That thought then begged the question ” How do you negotiate with tribal leaders who come from a culture where the western concept of ‘compromise’ is unknown ? ”

    The same seems to apply here. How do we even live with people who can’t reign in their emotions long enough to let FACTS and REASON enter into their thought stream ? Can such a people be trusted in a modern society ? It seems obvious to myself and others that such a thing is just not feasible, and our metropolitan areas are damning evidence to that fact.

    • CircleTheWagons

      Yes, it is feasible. You just have to get rid of the whites which are only 10% of the global population and Presto! no more problem.
      Hence, what we are currently witnessing with white genocide.

    • Paleoconn

      I believe the Comanche had no word for surrender.

  • 48224

    Facts and reason are the white man’s voo-doo.

    • Fed Up

      Don’cha know the video was faked? By racist cops trying to justify her baby’s murder? I hope the pendulum starts to swing the other direction. Maybe our White people will kick the liberal loonies in their backsides and understand Blacks will either act like human beings — or spend their lives in prison where most of them really belong.

      Instead of whining about the cost of imprisoning them — think of the cost as a form of insurance — that those criminals can’t rob, rape, assault, mug, kill or otherwise attack whites.

      • 48224

        Exactly….btw, where was racist LA cop Mark Furhman during all this? He is probably the one that made the fake vid!

      • Nancy

        OH yes…I heard that one, too. “The video was faked.” Blacks truly dwell in a level of ignorance other races simply cannot reach.

      • The phrase I read was that “the video was hacked”.
        Small businesses still record security camera video footage to VHS tapes with VCRs. Since these systems are strictly analog and not digital, they are not subject to being “hacked”. Of course, expecting “those people” to understand how different electronic appliances work is a waste of time.

    • 4321realist

      Black privilege is everywhere.

      And they’re many whining complaints are for the purpose of obtaining more Black Privileges.

      And if they don’t get what they want, then they resort to Black Terrorism.

      They’re tearing down this society with Black Privilege and Black Terrorism…….and both policies are based in abject lies.

    • ghettovalley

      They can’t even speak proper English after how many years? Most blacks can barely slap a mud hut together and they think that they built the pyramids?

    • kikz2

      um, you might’ve included her foray at beating her babydaddy’s mama (ebonik for mother-in-law) w/a pipe, in the head for skimmin’ her profits, just before she was to appear before the UN, which i’ve since heard, was rather unimpressed with her tale of ‘woe an’ Ohpresshun’… 🙂

    • Johnny Squire

      They saw Trayvon’s parents get rich from their son’s death. Now it’s their turn to cash in. There is no sense in derailing the money train by believing the truth.

  • ncpride

    a young black man with his hands raised in surrender had just been shot by a white cop….

    And if the cop had been black, this would never have been news, probably even locally. They don’t care where the thugs hands were, only that a White cop was involved.

    • Charles Martel

      This whole charade has been about burnin’ a white cop from Day One.

    • LHathaway

      It might have made the news as more evidence of bad white cops. They would just leave out the part about the cop being black.

  • Fed Up

    Facts always are whatever Blacks would like them to be. Then again, when has a Black ever told the complete truth — about anything?

    • 4321realist

      You’re right.

      They’re natural liars.

      A good example is Obama. When his many lies are exposed it doesn’t bother him a bit. He just never admits to his lies.

      And he carries on with no shame whatsoever.

      White politicians lie a lot also, but no where near the volume and number that blacks do.

    • Speedy Steve

      You gots da wrong man, ah din do nuffins.

  • Johnny

    Facts don’t matter to blacks. Truth doesn’t matter to blacks. The only thing that matters to blacks, well, almost, is them getting over on YT.

    • Ike Eichenberg

      With 70ish IQ, separating fact and fiction is challenging.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        Telling the troof is a challenge for them. Understanding anything deeper than a bucket of KFC is challenging for them.

  • Jaggers

    This AP report just muddies the waters. There aren’t really conflicting witnesses. There are those who are lying and say his hands were up, and those who told the truth and corroborating what officer Wilson said.

    • Charles Martel

      Excellent point. Many of the witnesses who insist his hands were up also testified to things (e.g., “the cop stood over him and pumped eight shots into his head”) were conclusively disproven by the physical evidence.

      • me

        And that ‘star witness’, Dorian Johnson, is going to be charged with perjury for lying during the trial. It seems that Mr. Johnson lied about a number of things during his testimony. He claimed that Michael Brown said, ‘I don’t have a gun…stop shooting,’ to Officer Wilson–which was a lie. Mr.Johnson also claimed that Michael Brown had his hands up in submission–which was a lie. Dorian Johnson also claimed that he hid behind a car and witnessed the entire thing, such as Officer Wilson standing over Michael Brown and shooting him in the back–which was a lie. Since caught in his lies, Dorian Johnson feels ‘victimized’ for being called out on his intentional fabrications. Here’s a picture of the rotten liar that started a riot, got a good police officer terrorized and vilified, and had a whole city destroyed. Jail is too good for him. He should be sentenced to death.

        • Charles Martel

          If only!! The comments the DA made at the outset of his press conference led me to believe that no perjury charges would be filed against any of these “witnesses.”

          I suspect a hood rat like Dorian will be incarcerated or dead within a few more years anyway.

          • LHathaway

            Sad, I hope it’s not true.

        • A Freespeechzone

          Notice in the graphic that the media automatically gives Dorian Johnson credibility.

          Now that it’s been proved that he perjured himself to try to have Darren Wilson indicted, there needs to be as much of an outcry for him to be prosecuted to maximum—along with the others who willingly perjured themselves to ‘railroad’ Wilson.

          No Mercy…

  • Mack0

    Remember, blacks want what they call social justice not actual legal justice. Social justice is revenge and payback for racism and slavery. In their minds, whites are in a kind of karmic deficit that needs to be repaid with white blood. Right and wrong, facts and evidence don’t mean a thing.

    • Da Troof

      How ironic it is that blacks are advocating for the return of the good old fashioned lynching to its place in the American justice system.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        Pat Buchanan said that exact same thing the other day.

    • They still do that in Africa today.

    • LHathaway

      “Whites are in a kind of karmic deficit that needs to be repaid with white blood. Right and wrong, facts and evidence don’t mean a thing”.

      The amount of white blood shed hasn’t mattered.

      • Mack0

        And it never will be enough not when it accomplishes nothing. It’s a diversion from dealing with the real issues. If every white person blinked out of existence tomorrow, life in the hood wouldn’t change one bit.

        • LHathaway

          Maybe. There would be a lot more rich blacks, though. Maybe they’d get their act together. I suspect blacks, hispanics and the whole lot of them will get their act together, as soon as we are gone or irrelevant. I would expect to see a lot of insanity reversed. The ‘Planet of the Apes’ was kind of an interesting movie/version of the future, though.

          • Mack0

            Hispanics will leap frog blacks in every respect. Hispanics are already doing this. Hispanics are pushing out blacks in once black neighbors and tensions are high between the two groups. Conflict is not uncommon in the streets and schools.

            The coalition between Hispanics and blacks is tenuous and will not hold. Once Hispanics have enough political power and influence, blacks return to the back of the bus.

            Unfortunately for blacks, they don’t have the same weapons to influence the Hispanic community or those weapons don’t work, white guilt and shaming. Hispanics will not be swayed by the same narrative as whites. Blacks have no bargaining chips

          • LHathaway

            This is not entirely true. Potentially, possibly, Hispanics will leap frog blacks but that is not the case today. Blacks have a stanglehold on the affirmative action industry in the nation. For now, they seem to have been imported here only for the purpose of being an underclass or the slaves of black. I suspect massive immigration is reducing the number of white women who co-habitate or marry blacks. So it could benefit the black family.

          • Mack0

            I’d also argue that class distinction will become more prominent. Wealthy blacks will begin to divest from the black underclass. They will live, work and go to school separately from their inner city brethren. It’s possible they will further delineate from poor blacks by mingling with wealthy Hispanics and possibly whites.

            Class conflict between the rich and poor blacks is inevitable. The only thing binding the two are a shared enemy(whites) and a shared sense of victim-hood.

  • JohnEngelman

    “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

    ― Mark Twain

    • Da Troof

      I wouldn’t say that’s appropriate here. The truth is out. Hell, the truth has been out. This isn’t a case of buying into a rumor, this is just a case of being full of it.

    • Speedy Steve

      Appropriate words by the man from Hannibal, Missouri.

  • Steve_in_Vermont

    It’s obvious facts are, to many people, meaningless. They picked an incident like this to demonstrate racial inequities in the US in the first days of the incident. Now that there are facts to contradict their prejudices they have two options. Admit they were wrong, or hold on to the lie. They have chosen the lie. The majority of Americans will not demonstrate but will quietly disown these people. They’ve driven a wedge between blacks and whites even deeper.

    • MBlanc46

      “The majority of Americans will not demonstrate but will quietly disown
      these people. They’ve driven a wedge between blacks and whites even
      deeper.”

      I hope that you’re right, but having witnessed almost 60 years of this sort of thing, it’s hard to have a lot of confidence in the judgment of the American people.

      • Steve_in_Vermont

        I believe I’m right but time will tell. My perspective is from 70 years and in the past several weeks I’ve spoken to, and overheard the conversations of, dozens of people who agree with me. The same with the “demonstrations” popping up with a few dozen angry people. If it were not for the media no-one would even know they were there. Even knowing about them no-one really cares anyway.

        • MBlanc46

          As I said, I do hope that you’re right. I’d like to see the country begin to turn around before my time is up.

          • me

            An ultra liberal that I know, who was completely convinced about Negroes and their ‘terrible plight’, was yelling at the television as he watched the riots in Ferguson. He called the demonstrators ‘animals’ and ‘terrorists’. His eyes have been opened, and has done a 180 on his views about ‘poor Blacks’. Obama has done more to further the cause of re-segregation than any person in history.

          • MBlanc46

            Good for your ultraliberal acquaintance. The corporate media have tried very hard to compare Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown to, say, the Birmingham church bombing. I’m sure that they’ve succeeded with many people, but, as your acquaintance demonstrates, some eyes have been opened.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      And one day you may find yourself standing in a building designed by Evan Chakroff. Pray he doesn’t think that load, span, and bearing are symbolic.

      • Steve_in_Vermont

        Perfect!

    • LHathaway

      “It’s obvious facts are, to many people, meaningless”.

      Welcome to a world ruled by good intentions.

  • RacialRay

    There is factual truth, “emotional” truth, and the newest innovation, “Internet” truth. Guess which one takes it on the chin at the expense of the others in cases like this.

    • Kenner

      When Tawana Brawley and Chrystal Mangum were exposed as liars, we were told their lies ‘exposed a deeper truth’ about white racism.
      Thank goodness we don’t have to puzzle this stuff out on our own.

      • me

        Follow the OFFICIAL party propaganda, comrade! Ignore the truth, or else….

  • Anglo

    Architect Evan Chakroff was among the protesters this week in Seattle. “My sense is that it’s totally symbolic and a way of representing
    powerlessness” in the face of inequality and militarized police, he
    said.

    Dumbo’s like Chakroff need to be put out on the streets of a city like Ferguson, Detroit, Chicago, etc., and see what police officers have to deal with daily. Let’s see how Mr. Chakroff would handle a “Michael Brown” confrontation.

  • Da Troof

    Architect Evan Chakroff was among the protesters this week in Seattle. He said the “Hands Up” gesture is far from a literal representation of the circumstances of Brown’s death.
    You idiot. Don’t the “protesters” themselves say that it IS a literal representation of what happened? That’s how this all started, you moron.

    • Nancy

      Well, he has to say SOMETHING, since the forensic and witness evidence completely refuted the bald-faced lie that Brown’s hands were up in surrender. So he comes up with the weak explanation, “Oh, it’s not literal…it’s SYMBOLIC.”

      They have an excuse for everything, these people. When caught in an outright lie, they just adjust their rhetoric and proceed with their pathologically dishonest message.

      I remember in my first class as a teacher, my first-grader Kortez insisting, “I din’ do nuffin”. Even after he realized there were witnesses to his latest misbehavior, he’d just say, “Yeah, well, I did DAT, but I din do da other thing you say.” Minimize, rationalize, spread blame.

      He’s still singing that same tune, now that he’s doing life in prison. I can just imagine the rationale he gave to the police when they arrested him for shooting his drug dealer (his testimony is public record now): He started with the usual “I din’ do nuffins”, then it became “Well, I jus’ went to rob him, cuz he be owin’ me money”. After the evidence came in against him, he admitted, “Well, I’s wasn’t gonna shoot, but den when I went to git my moneys, he ‘bucked’, so’s I had to. It was sef-defense.” (Apparently, ‘bucked’ meant that when Kortez went to rob his drug dealer, the guy had the audacity to object to the robbery and attempted to fight back.)

      • RacialRay

        There is apparently a protocol and a propriety to even the most base dealings with these creatures. They can’t express themselves in anything but the most primitive of grunts and gestures, but the law of the street must be observed.

        Don’ be dissin’ a brotha, yo.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    “For some, location of Brown’s hands irrelevant”

    —American Pravda

    For some, facts, hard evidence and data are irrelevant.

    Facts are racist.

    Rumors, screaming, speculation, lying and mythology are ‘keepin it real.’

    OK, Michael Brown and his righteous demise are becoming boring

    Enough!

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      They can have as many “discussions” about race as they want. Nothing will change until blacks take responsibility for their own actions. In other words, nothing will change.

    • “Facts are racist.”

      It has been several years already since I first encountered the peculiar term “hate facts”.

      • Alexandra1973

        I guess the libs are trying to say they “hate facts.”

  • cherrie greenbaum123

    If they succeed in exterminating us, we won’t be around to fix those mistakes anymore.

  • A Freespeechzone

    This is nothing more than the fact that many blacks hate Whites for existing and resent that their race neither invented or created the conveniences and order in America they enjoy.

    Feral blacks have huge inferiority and image problems which fuel their anger.

    They want the ‘right’ to literally exterminate Whites and have loudly proclaimed that publcally many times. Look at negro actions against Whites in Africa.

    Moreover, this mindset is supported by Obama, the DOJ and the anti-White media.

    This violence will escalate unless many take a hard stand and do what is necessary to stop it.

  • Kenner

    The Tree Lighting Ceremony was ruined tonight when a chanting mob invaded Seattle’s Westlake Center and eventually forced their way on stage, surrounding the kiddie choir and reducing many of them to tears. Children in the audience were crying as well.
    It seems there weren’t enough police to block the protesters, some of whom carried pepper spray.
    There were some arrests, including one guy who had weapons and explosives in his car.
    It seems like this Republican voter drive just won’t stop.

    • Douglas Quaid

      I’m so sick of these people, they seem to think that by making themselves publicly loathsome they are winning some sort of victory. Protests in a Republic are conducted outside of a gov’t building asking for a redress of grievance, not at Wal-Marts and tree lighting ceremonies, that’s not protesting, that’s just being a menace.

    • See The Future

      Evil prevails when good people do nothing. Surely there were enough good people to overwhelm to agitators.

    • A Freespeechzone

      There were obviously no LE at this ceremony to stop this ‘protest’ terrorism–or any men ‘man enough’ to defend children from this unprovoked harassment.

      It appears obvious that LE will do little or nothing to stop violent protesters; which only emboldens them to become more daring and dangerous.

      Unless protesting guidelines are enforced; look for escalating violence.

      • That is why all white people everywhere must carry, regardless of the law. We are on our own.

  • Douglas Quaid

    I read this AP story in the local paper today and I couldn’t help but think about the power the mainstream media still wields. They created this whole thing from day one. Mike Brown could have been nothing but another dumb punk who robbed a store, attacked a cop and paid the price, instead the media canonized him making him into a martyr. Of course to do that meant creating a narrative that is entirely bereft of reality, but that just meant they needed to get a little creative.

    College bound St. Mike Brown and the “Hands up Don’t Shoot!” movement that is inflicting itself on cities across the country are entirely creations of the media. I am only left wondering to what end, where is all of this leading?

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      where is all of this leading?
      .
      Pogroms against Whites.

    • See The Future

      More and more encroachment of blacks in all media. Soon all media will be all black. When there is a black speaking in the media I listen carefully. Know ones sworn enemy!

      It is time for a white only media!

      • Charles Martel

        I can’t wait for Ben Crump to delibber da nightly nooz

    • kikz2

      from the ‘direct and profit’ level of interference……….an old play frm an old playbook… divide/conquer.

      on the lower ‘tool’ level….. Blacks have learned……be obnoxious long enough, tantrum mode, scream racism/oppression loud enough and long enough……someone will appease you to shut you up. just like toddlers, they do what works. if something isn’t working they change tactics until they get what they want……or are dissuaded from the tantrum by more …… intimate and immediately dissuading actions.

      having had some dealings with overtly willful children, i can assure you, that until they reach the age of reason and are able to process it, at times, a measured – although restrained – degree of bodily harm must be more than suggested.

  • Jake Frizzell

    The grand jury witnesses who knowingly ‘manufactured’ their ‘testimony’ should be prosecuted.

  • Gentleman Jim Crow

    It’s is funny how blacks will automatically take the side of any other black against whitey, regardless of who is right or wrong, but it is the fair minded white man who is constantly castigated as being a bunch of evil “racist” bigots.

    • Yes, psychologists call it “projection.” I prefer to think of it as as “truth inversion,” a common tactic of the left. Do something terrible to your enemies, and then screech hysterically about how evil your enemies are for doing that very thing to you, even if they haven’t done it at all. Maybe especially if they haven’t.

  • MooTieFighter

    They have no idea what they are doing anymore. What they expect is to run around and do whatever they wish while we fund them. There is no more logic to the riots/protest. A thug robbed a store, assaulted a clerk, walked in the middle of the street, called a cop a pu##y, hit him, tried to take his gun, all while high. Just what the hell is anyone defending here.

  • MooTieFighter

    of course. if the cop was bigger and was beating the hell out of an innocent man, there would have been tons of video. I have always suspected multiple videos of this in the hands of blacks. essentially all blacks have cell phones despite have a job to pay for it.

  • Rick O’Shea

    Was just watching CNN and a black female professor was on there and being taken and spoken to seriously (with ZERO push back of course) about how the issue here isn’t black rage, no no… it’s WHITE rage.

    She described this “white rage” as “invisible, and dressed up in pleasant words like ‘rule of law’ and such” and it was supposedly rage “against change” and she took exception with the anchor passing along something the cops or someone had said about how not very many blacks want to work as police, and that’s part of why the police force in Ferguson isn’t “representative” – yea… to this she started off acting like that was ridiculous and she disagreed that blacks didn’t want to be cops. Then she immediately says “well yea they don’t want to be cops because of how much white rage is in that department” and her evidence of that… was the fact that a young man could take “six bullets” for “jaywalking and shoplifting.”

    Sometimes it just makes your brain hurt.

    • Whoever she is, she must not have very good reading comprehension skills.

      To wit:

      she took exception with the anchor passing along something the cops or someone had said about how not very many blacks want to work as police, and that’s part of why the police force in Ferguson isn’t “representative” – yea… to this she started off acting like that was ridiculous and she disagreed that blacks didn’t want to be cops. Then she immediately says “well yea they don’t want to be cops because of how much white rage is in that department”

      I suspect that the rationale I explained on my own blog got around, but it got around like a game of telephone. So when someone finally got around to explaining the argument to her, she only got half the argument then half-listened to that.

      Ferguson the P.D. is a relatively low pay high danger department. Affirmative action means that it’s almost certain that just about any department or agency will take all but the most blatantly unqualified black applicants. So if I’m black, in St. Louis, and want to be a cop, why would I try to get on with the low pay high danger Ferguson P.D., when every other department ergo every other job is by definition better? Low pay high danger is the worst of both worlds; All the other possibilities (high pay high danger, high pay low danger, low pay low danger) are more plum.

      Chesterfield (high pay low danger) or Ferguson (low pay high danger), and both will hire me. Gee, which job am I going to take?

    • A Freespeechzone

      Just another example of ‘black exceptionalism’.

      That is the logic you get from sub par IQs

      • kikz2

        logic…? LOL…. here’s some jaw dropping Black logic for ya.. thug holds up a dollar store in Mobile, AL, White guy carryin shoots him.. doesn’t kill him.. thug’s sista or some such relative calls in to local news, yapping that – because the gun wasn’t pointed at the White guy, it wasn’t right he shot her brother, and he should’ve minded his business and left on his merry way..while two clerks were held at gunpoint………. video at link.. http://toprightnews(dot)com/?p=7417

    • Douglas Quaid

      The most annoying thing to me is when these “black intellectuals” (ie affirmative action hires at Harvard et al) come on and they say “Let me aks you a question…” I simply can not take a person seriously when they can’t or maybe refuse to correctly pronounce a simple monosyllabic word.

      • kikz2

        it took less than two minutes, for me to become very unimpressed with Black neurosurgeon magic negro Ben Carson, hearing in a vidclip to see what all the fuss was about, as someone had asiprations of running him for pres.. in 2016……..during a yap w/the bimbos on the View or somesuch liberal female yammershow (shudder) ……………to hear him utter……….. ‘uh’ x-ray, and IX-scape. whoaaaaa! ! flags on the play!………

        was he making affectations to appear common, in effort to engender support from the mouthbreathers of his shared skin tone? or…… exactly how does one become a neurosurgeon with such a limp mastery of the English language?

        i’m Southern, and many times type online …somewhat colloquially… although my diction is only near perfect, i’m somewhat of a grammar nazi.

        • meanqueen

          Really??? I guess I have to admit that I’ve never heard him speak or seen him in person. But his writing is really very good. Yes, I know he has editors. But this is disappointing to hear. I actually DO like conservative black leaders.

          • me

            Why?! What makes you think that, underneath it all, they’re just as tribe-oriented as any other Negro? Do you really think that they’d go out of their way to make sure that you, or any other ‘Whitey’, is treated fairly? Obongola and Pot Holder are all the proof you need.

          • [Guest]

            >>>I don’t know why people keep falling for the ‘magic Negro’ act.

            I call it the “He’s One of the Good Ones” syndrome.

          • kikz2

            “IX-scape” @ min 2:41 approx… http://youtu(dot)be/Z-V6VMIy5Hc

    • LHathaway

      I’ve never once had anyone support or defend me (I can’t afford a lawyer). She could come up with endless defenses for this other guy. . .

      • Usually Much Calmer

        I’ve defended you here! Ingrate.

        • LHathaway

          Sorry. I was making a general statement, not intending it to be meant as a jibe at amreners. This was me, above, an amrener, against the outside them, I think. My comments are normally meant for the eyes of outsider. I’m converting them, lol.

          Yes, on one post I had a number of amreners really swarm to my defense! They were coming out of the woodwork. It was about something most of them, if not all of them, disagreed with me about, too. I remember what it was, I was saying, “You can’t rape your wife”. This statement I made was even deleted once. I think the site moderators thought I might have meant, ‘if you have a wife and love and respect her you can’t rape her’ so they let it sit for awhile (that wasn’t what I was saying. I’d like to think I wasn’t promoting rape). There were so many who supported me. It was quite gratifying. I’m quite often unpopular ( I certainly don’t get a high number positive votes, unless I say something hateful of blacks, haha). I had forgotten who all it was that supported me. So I am a bit ungrateful. It was quite gratifying. I apologize.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            No ‘sorry’ required! I just read your post when it was fresh and was feeling engaged. Poking you is all.

            Half my comments go without any upvotes. Next week, I see my ideas repeated by others: 2xyou-tee-eff? I would be commenter of the year if I was within the 1st 5 comments and said, “OMG, blacks are so dumb, amirite?”

            Stay you, please.

          • LHathaway

            lol. TY, I’ll try.

  • Massif1

    Let blacks boycott, close down malls, block roads and interstates. They’re only showing their true colors. To them it doesn’t matter if Brown was killed in self-defense or if Brown committed a crime before hand. Let the world see how crazy and illogical blacks and liberals really are.

    • This rabble is (sarcasm on) really doing right by their cause from a public relations standpoint (sarcasm off). The average person is really going to want to sign up for a cause whose most public adherents and advocates burn down auto parts stores, riot, loot, make kids cry at Christmas tree lighting ceremonies, threaten violence at malls to make them close, disrupt big box store shopping, stand in the middle of interstate highways during rush hour, threaten people who are about to come out of hockey games such that the arena is locked down (that happened in St. Louis last night).

      One of the favorite chants of the rabble: “This is what democracy looks like.” And you know what? That’s the only correct thing they’ve said so far.

    • Bobbala

      They killed off the malls years ago.

  • Scott Rosen

    “Wilson told the grand jury that Brown had his left hand in a fist at his side and his right hand under his shirt at his waist, and was charging toward him.”

    Oh come on! He was holding his sagging pants up as he charged. You can see these genetic fossils doing the wideleg pimpwalk while holding their pants up everywhere, USA. No mystery here.

    • Johnny Squire

      -“He was holding his sagging pants up as he charged.”

      Those were my first thoughts when I heard Wilson’s testimony.

  • paul kersey

    Brown also was carrying a bag of weed which is why he resisted arrest. He is a hero to the black people. And a role model.

    • He wouldn’t have been facing arrest at all if he had just walked over to the sidewalk and continued on his way there.

      • Wilson did know about the robbery, in fact, that’s why he was in transit between his last call (a sick kid in the apartment farms to the north of the Canfield Green) to the Ferguson Market. It’s just that what Frick and Frack did by walking in the middle of the street was make themselves conspicuous. If they walked along the sidewalk, Wilson would have buzzed right past them in the Tahoe none the wiser. But by making themselves a nuisance to traffic, Wilson first confronted them for their jaywalking. Then once he started to drive away from that scene, he then realized that these two matched the description of the suspects of the robbery he was going to including that the big heavy tall one had the box of cigarillos, which Wilson also knew were the object of the robbery. That’s why Wilson turned back around to accost them again.

      • Bobbala

        It always amazes me how negros always pretend to be harassed by “white supremacist” when they are so clearly, actively avoided by white separatists.

  • See The Future

    We have heard the black president and attorney general. We have heard Sharpton. We have heard the black congressional caucus and the black lawyers association. All speak in favor of a black felon and how the system is unfair to blacks. Echoed over and over by the racist biased main stream media.

    I am waiting to hear from the senators, congressman, mayors, governors, police chiefs, community leaders, ANYONE WHITE and in a position of leadership to speak on behalf of Officer Wilson. Who a Grand Jury has deemed to have not committed a crime, much less a racial crime. Only an officer doing his duty.

    Will any white person with a large profile stand up and be counted amongst those that stand for justice, law and order? I am still waiting!

    • LHathaway

      You stand up for whites by talking about your own, white, issues.

    • meanqueen

      Rudy Guiliani has spoken up in defense.

      • See The Future

        Yes, I heard that he spoke about blacks killing other blacks to the tune of 93 percent. But he did not address Officer Wilson specifically……but I accept your comment that one white person has spoken about black murders. Any others?

  • Spoda Be

    “Black Lives Matter”. Those racist pricks. Would a sign saying “White Lives Matter” be tolerated anywhere and not be called racist today? Anywhere?

  • Spoda Be

    Saw the ultimate in ‘diversity’ on one of the network news shows this morning (CBS or NBC). The morning newsreaders were so incredibly diverse…there wasn’t even one evil white guy in the whole bunch. Mission accomplished.

    • Good. The sooner our people stop watching that propaganda, the better. Starve the MSM. It couldn’t happen to more deserving anti-whites than they.

  • Chasmania

    Thanks for the reply ! I could not for the life of me remember that, although I had heard of it years before.

    I wonder what the hypothesis would lead us to think about black urban culture and our dealings with it ?

    • Speedy Steve

      Considering that their favorite words are “sh*t” and mother-f*cker you can take it from there.

  • Jake Frizzell

    Tell the sorry truth in the cleanest way possible and your post(s) get removed. We know who controls Disqus and it isn’t the Amish.

  • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

    Soon, “Hands Up. Don’t Shoot!” became a rallying cry for protesters in the streets of this St. Louis suburb and a symbol nationwide of racial inequality for blah blah blah blah…

    How’s this for a rallying cry:

    Pants Up. Don’t Loot!

  • Shadrach

    I hate White Liberals with a passion. Their cowardice and failure to see the danger we live in sicken me greatly. I hope the White Liberals in this see the grim reality of it all before its too late.

    • meanqueen

      My hatred daily grows.

    • Epiminondas

      Perversely, this reminds me of 1850…in a whole different way.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    My dad gave me the same talking points:
    1) a license to drive is a license to kill. I will never forget that and I passed that along to several friends whom I taught to drive. And when my son is old enough, I will tell him the same thing
    2) if you get pulled over, be respectful. It might get you out of a ticket.

    • tlk244182

      Driving 36 years, been pulled over a dozen times, for a total of 6 tickets. All the cops were professional, reasonable, even cordial. An acquaintance of mine was going on about how cops are all wicked men on power trips. He’s been pulled over too many times to count, done jail time, etc.
      BTW, when I get stopped, I use the method BAW describes.
      My only problem with cops is that potentially, they are Obama’s political enforcers.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Apparently the whole incident took less than two minutes. That being said, if there is video, I agree with you that the only reason we haven’t seen it is because it exonerates Wilson.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    In other words: we don’t care what really happened, we just want an excuse to riot, loot, and make noise.

  • Bobbala

    I remember turn off the ignition and put keys on the dash too.

    • kikz2

      turn it off, ok.. but i’ve never heard of takin’ the keys out the ignition… hmmm…

    • LHathaway

      keys on the dash might weird them out or surprise them.

  • Douglas Quaid

    Very good, thanks for the link.

    • kikz2

      your avatar makes me nosecrinkle/wince..

      however…glad you enjoyed it….. yeah, i’m not sure how much of his other philosophical musings/positions i agree with either, i think i’ve only seen one other, but can’t remb the topic…..it was a while back.

      .. but it was nice to hear White vox in logical agreement on this issue, coming frm a decidedly different national and political perspective (Canadian), and from outside what seems like our echo chamber niche of the netverse.

      it’s validating, comforting, and reaffirming to know that other types of people we might not normally agree with, we can find common ground and solidarity with, especially on this serious issue that affects us all.

  • tlk244182

    Search Tueller drill. Also, some interesting vids on Youtube.

  • kikz2

    hands on the wheel and hopefully already holding lisc/reg, etc….. until he assesses and at some point relaxes (takes his hand off holstered service issue weapon). always ask permission to get your wallet or dig in your purse/dask/console.. that’s just SOP now. and for God sakes, DO NOT as older folks were used to..once upon a hazy and less dangerous time.. DO NOT GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE AS (s)HE APPROACHES.
    they now consider this aggressive behavior.

    sage advice on all counts.. 🙂 although..

    bacon

    large amounts.. oven. 350′, on an veg oiled (both sides) rack in a foil lined shallow pan. speeds cleanup and you can pour the grease off to save or recycle, once it’s cooled to the point it won’t burn ya.

    set a 30 min timer, start checking it round 30mins, and continue about every 8mins or so.. til done.. some pieces cook faster than others, remove as necessary..

    and yeah, you can do it nekkid and remain unscathed….. 😉

    i’ll never fry it again……….

  • Bobbala

    If only negros were smart enough to realize they are always going to live in a bad neighborhood …

  • me

    It was an opinion piece by a ‘professor’ Michael Jefferies at Wellesley college. He’s a real ‘academic’. You can tell, because he uses big words and parrots the ‘official’ screed about ‘racism’. Look at the comments below this tripe, and it will cheer you up. The ‘race card’ is out of funds, just like those EBT cards that the dumb Negro terrorist wannabes tried to use to build a pipe bomb. LOL!

  • Jake Frizzell

    ‘Removed’. LOL!!!

  • Adolf Verloc

    Superb. I’ll be keeping an eye on Mr. Molyneux from now on.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    My toddler recently learned the words to “Itsy Bitsy Spider”. Got me thinking of my own nursery rhyme:
    A violent thieving thug was shot by the cops
    In swooped Al Sharpton to make the negroes hot
    The jury wouldn’t indict
    It caused the negroes pain
    So the stupid violent negroes burned down their town again.

  • A Freespeechzone

    As shown with this investigation for evidence, there was NOTHING that discredited Darren Wilson’s account of this incident; in fact, it was validated that many negro ‘witnesses’ lied and in many cases, parroted hearsay because they were NOT THERE.

    Having said that, many negroes don’t care about facts or the truth, it’s about the opportunity to literally ‘get Whitey’.

    Notice that even the negro president is mute on this issue….he wants to conduct a ‘meeting’ tomorrow to discuss Michael Brown, which validates he HATES facts as well…and just as importantly, he HATES Whites.

    Until or unless Whites become vocal by the MILLIONS, the violence and threat of violence against us WILL escalate.

    • See The Future

      It will escalate.

  • LHathaway

    It doesn’t change what he’s said.

  • Max

    If. 60,000 people at the Superbowl -plus all of the TV observers witnessed a 300 lb black threat-screaming assailant with a butcher-knife and broken bottle charge a 175 lb. white guy who then pulled a pistol and shot him, it would be referred to by the media as “…the controversial shooting of a lone African-American sports fan by a white gunman with a high-capacity automatic revolver”.

  • ElComadreja

    They want to be able to rape, murder, rob, and commit mayhem with no consequences whatsoever. I say let them, only not in America. Repatriation was the only good idea Lincoln ever had.