Ferguson Grand Jury Witnesses Often Cited Fear in Testifying

Tina Susman, Los Angeles Times, November 26, 2014

This witness was scared. He had Googled himself and found the phrase: “Snitches get stitches.”

He was scared that black neighbors would find fault with his description of what happened when a white police officer, Darren Wilson, shot dead an unarmed black man, Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Mo.

He was scared that white supremacists would accuse him of hurting Wilson’s case. “I do think of the Ku Klux Klan. I do,” he told investigators.

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The jurors’ decision not to indict Wilson prompted prosecutors to make public more than 4,700 pages of transcripts and reports in hope of quashing suspicions that Wilson got away with murder. The tactic did not work, and rioting erupted in Ferguson this week.

But the documents do provide a look at what some witnesses went through as they wrestled with the fallout of witnessing a controversial killing.

Some feared saying something that would upset neighbors if it did not match other witness accounts.

“You never know how people react to certain things,” testified one man, who did not speak to police until 13 days after Brown’s death but whose version of events bolstered the view that Brown had his hands up and was not posing a threat when Wilson shot him.

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“You are anonymous,” the St. Louis County prosecutor, Robert McCulloch, told the jurors when they met for the first time on Aug. 20. He told them not to wear their juror badges as they entered the justice building in Clayton, Mo., lest news reporters or others spot them. He noted that a construction project next door would help block visibility to comings and goings around the justice building.

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On Oct. 23, more than two months into the jury’s proceedings, prosecutors told them that some witnesses did not want to talk.

“The light is at the end of the tunnel so to speak,” Kathi Alizadeh, one of the attorneys presenting evidence, told jurors as she expressed hope their work would be done by mid-November. But she said there were about 15 eyewitnesses or other people with potentially valuable information still to question, and some were resisting.

“Some of them have frankly said there is no way I’m coming in, no way I’m going to testify,” Alizadeh told the jury. In those cases, she said the only option was to serve them with subpoenas. “But if you knock on the door and nobody answers, we have no right, you know, to kick in the door,” she said.

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That weighed on the mind of a man who said he had watched much of the action unfold from his balcony, and who later grew to fear both the Klan and some of his own neighbors. “I’m shaking and I’m nervous right now and I’m scared, you know,” said the witness, who testified that Brown “might have been punching” Wilson through his car window, but that Wilson shot Brown in the back. (Neither autopsy report presented to the jurors, however, indicated Brown was shot in the back.)

A man who was at the apartment complex and had a different version also expressed unease at speaking to investigators. That witness, who described Brown as charging toward Wilson, said he felt uncomfortable walking into the Ferguson police station “past all the protesting going on,” but felt it was his duty to tell what he had seen.

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  • 4321realist

    “….who later grew to fear both the Klan and some of his own neighbors.”
    Black neighbors who would harm him are in abundance everywhere close by.
    But isn’t it interesting he would fear the KKK who hasn’t raised a peep in years and probably doesn’t have a single member in the entire area?
    It’s called black delusion.

    • Jaggers

      Regarding the KKK, I think these people have been watching too much TV.

      • MooTieFighter

        There just trying to keep the white guilt going. You know, more pitty and free stuff.

      • Funruffian

        Watching too much TV that revels Black persecution and White Supremacist domination. Only TV (The fictional world) can instigate that kind of brainwashing en masse. It’s funny how we fear the lies being disseminated about us, when in reality Blacks fear the lies being disseminated about us as well. Scary world we live in.

    • me

      The only ‘threat’ to Negroes are each other. The ‘KKK’?! Hahahaha! The only ‘members’ in the KKK are eff bee eye agents pretending to ‘infiltrate’ or entrap people for trying to join the scary group–unlike the Black Panthers, that’s real and not threatening at all….ahem!
      Albert Pike, the proud founder of the KKK, has a statue that stands proudly in the Nation’s capitol. That statue is the only KKK member anyone’s seen in years.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        If a gang of black male thugs was chasing a black woman, I bet she would run into a KKK meeting for protection.

        .

        • me

          Something is wrong with Whites. We seem to be on a spiral of accepting our genocide, one victim at a time…

      • Speedy Steve

        I know it well. The Larouchies protest there with annoying regularity. Pike was a Whig in good standing. www[dot]phoenixmasonry[dot]org/masonicmuseum/albert_pike_statue_in_washington_dc.htm

  • Look at the original article. The feature pullout quote was about the Ku Klux Klan, and the LAT classified this story under “Ku Klux Klan.”

    The inconvenient truth is that all of the threats came from the no snitching crowd. In fact, it may well be the case that the young man found dead in his car with bullet holes all over him and gasoline poured on him as if this was an ANC necklacing was murdered for having “snitched” (i.e. told the truth to the GJ).

    But who needs or is worried about truth when you’re sniffing the KKKrazy Glue?

    • Paleoconn

      Hey QD, royalties to Steve Sailer who coined that expression referring to the tenuous alliance between fringe groups making up the loony left.

  • Truthseeker

    The Ku Klux Klan. A group that barely exists today, yet still has a strong psychic presence. This country’s fear of “White racism” is taken to downright irrational levels.

    • Sick of it

      *A group that exists in the form of government agents posing as members.

    • dean53

      Yeah. Just try and find a real KKK group to join. Damn near impossible.

  • John Smith

    The only people left the to so called “Klan” are FBI agents and provocateurs.

    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      There’s a joke in the white power movement. How do you tell a real Klan member from an undercover cop? The real Klan member isn’t paying his dues.

      • Speedy Steve

        The $PLC needs the Klan for fundraising purposes. They’ll pay whatever dues are necessary.

  • ncpride

    He was scared that white supremacists would accuse him of hurting Wilson’s case. “I do think of the Ku Klux Klan. I do,” he told investigators.

    What a pile of …. He’s a flat out liar, or that negro ‘logic’ at work we’ve all come to marvel over…..tell the truth about what happened confirming the White officers version, and he fears the Klan?

    • He probably didn’t really fear the non-existent Klan. We all know that he fears other black people. The white liberals in big cities fear the black undertow but they know they can’t say it or even internally notice it, so they genuflect their fear of blacks on “lower” class white people. Likewise, black people can’t openly come out and express their fear of black people, because traitor c**n (*) Uncle Tom crispy black yo’ mamma black buck dancing minstrel. So even they try to deflect to the “Klan” when the homies over in the next cell block Section 8 apartment building are who they really fear.

      (*) — C**n is now a word that black people are using toward each other to mean “race traitor.”

      • LHathaway

        You made a great post, but I didn’t even understand the following, and I’ve lived in black neighborhoods for long periods of time.

        “Likewise, black people can’t openly come out and express their fear of black people, because traitor c**n (*) Uncle Tom crispy black yo’ mamma black buck dancing minstrel.

        What is the purpose of whites speaking in ebonics? I’m probably Lucky I didn’t understand it. It certainly does nothing for me. I come here to get away from it. At least that was the idea.

        • Traitor, c**n, Uncle Tom, crispy black, yo’ mamma black, buck dancing, minstrel — Vituperative that street blacks have about the few blacks that tell the truth.

          • LHathaway

            Yes, when I’ve read professional black activist make these kind of comments, a few times in the past, perhaps on daytime TV (the one I can name for sure being Eldridge Cleaver in his ‘Soul on Ice’ book). . they made these comments in a surprising way. As if the surprise itself was the point, not Necessarily as if they were making a serious point. An analogy would be white racists saying they were glad OJ killed his white girlfriend (because she was dating a black guy. With your use of ebonics, I was Honestly unclear of What you were trying to say.

            Ebonics genuinely bothers me sometimes. Call it post traumatic stress syndrome . It bothers me Most, however, because the person using ebonics in reality normally causes harm to the very position they would be pretending to espouse.

          • ghettovalley

            When I was in school, the few black kids who were actually intelligent were mercilessly harassed by the other blacks. They would be called Uncle Tom, Oreo, yellow, and house n**ger. They would be physically assaulted. Really they had it much worse than the white kids, who generally would defend themselves, so weren’t usually as easy of a target as some nerdy Steve Urkel looking black kids with glasses and a pocket protector. They seem to have something of a pack mentality, singling out and attacking even their own if they stick out from the herd. We still see this even as adults, with black politicians who are seen as sellouts for supporting policies and ideas seen as white, and we see how they vote as a racial bloc. It must be something in negro psyche that causes this. They are not like us, even as a child I could easily tell.

          • Crabs in a bucket syndrome.

  • Luca

    You are more likely to find a Bigfoot piloting a spaceship in Times Square during rush hour than you are to find a Klan member anywhere at anytime. But blacks have special powers and can see the Klan and racism everywhere. Us poor White folks just don’t have them powers.

    • ghettovalley

      Coming from a group of people who think that KFC places chemicals in their chicken, that every race throughout America eats, in order to render the black man impotent, this is no surprise. Notice it’s always an assault on their genitals, negroes seem to be obsessed with this, as evidenced by the Congo epidemic of reported “witches in gold rings making people’s genitals shrink or disappear (seriously)”. They seem to mostly as a group hold highly superstitious and irrational fears, such as the KKK, ghosts, voodoo, ect, while ignoring very blatantly obvious and very real dangers, such as AIDS, Ebola (in Africa), and the extreme statistical likelihood of being murdered by their own kind.

  • guest

    How can anyone really be more afraid of the KKK at this point? We’ve barely heard anything from them during the whole Michael Brown case and they’re not the ones rioting and hurting people in the name of “justice for Michael Brown”.

    • Speedy Steve

      Maybe white communist agitators are being mistaken for Klan members. You just know all us crackers be lookin’ da same wid our straight hair an’ long noses and small dicks n sheet gnome sane?

  • What about the ones who lie under oath, is this not illegall

  • John Jackson

    “I do think of the Ku Klux Klan. I do”

    My God are you serious? When is the last time the KKK has done anything other than march? I swear, to listen to these blacks and lefties you’d think there’s a Klansman hiding around every corner just waiting to kill you.

    We have a ratio of 200 to 1 black on white killings and it’s blacks who need to be worried? ….well, they do, of getting killed by their own race.

    • Sick of it

      When and where do they march? Where are these groups based? If they aren’t based in Louisiana anymore, and they aren’t. The Klan groups around here disbanded years ago. Ours were probably the last groups to disband, to be blunt.

    • LHathaway

      When is the last time a poster on AmRen has done something besides repeat what has been said on here before him, no matter what it is. . .

    • Speedy Steve

      I think there’s a chapter in Jackson MI which spray paints churches, smokes weed and watches porno. They’re in and out of the slammer a lot. A bit pathetic really. I guess they’ll graduate to Aryan Brotherhood eventually.

      • ghettovalley

        I would take low class poor whites over well to do successful blacks any day.

    • ghettovalley

      Once their was a rape hoax here in this area. It was big national news. A black girl alleged that an entire white family held her against her will and sexually assaulted her. It was a terrible story, but it wasn’t true. Holes began to emerge in the narrative. This didn’t stop the new black panther party from coming to my small city and marching. The blacks came out in large numbers, leaving garbage all over the street, fights breaking out, the entire atmosphere seemed that these people were on the edge of rioting, lashing out in violence. A few weeks later, she held a press conference with her lawyer, recanting her story, saying that she made it all up to get back at an ex. The blacks didn’t believe this, they think she was coerced, and around here you still hear about it several years later. The blacks raised something like half a million dollars for her. No criminal charges were ever filed. When this happened, no one batted an eye. When the KKK left flyers in a few neighborhoods after this, discreetly, in the middle of the night, the entire city was in an uproar. As if there was some major threat posed to all of us by the KKK. This was my first experience in the differences in which these organizations are treated, despite both being hate groups. The KKK who caused no real trouble, no property damage, and didn’t cost any tax money, the opposite of the New Black Panthers, they were seen as the real criminals. I saw nothing criminal about dumping flyers and practicing their free speech.

      • John Jackson

        You said it. But whites continue to put up with it, so blacks will keep doing it.

  • Jefferson

    In the year 2014, the KKK’s numbers are so small that there it is not even enough Klan members to fill up every seat in Madison Square Garden.

    Yet Bantus act like there is a Klansman on every street corner in this country just waiting to violently sneak attack a Black person.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      Because they are small minded and the world is capricious and scary to them.

      • Kenner

        They can’t grasp cause and effect.

  • RacialRay

    You mean to say that those protestors carefully pored over 4700 pages of transcripts and reports, yet were STILL suspicious that an injustice had occurred?

    Color me shocked.

    • Shocked that they still suspected injustice, or shocked that they read the transcripts?

      • RacialRay

        Yes.

    • ghettovalley

      It is seriously doubtful that most of these protestors can even read in the first place. Reading is acting white and selling out to the man.

  • JohnEngelman

    Blacks who are more afraid of the police and the Klu Klux Klan than local black thugs have not been paying attention to American history for at least two generations.

    • AFlaVet

      American History? You have to open a book for that….but they get all they need in February, right?

  • RacialRay

    The KKK, yes. And let us not forget evil clowns, Mongol hordes, registered mail. Very real, very relevant threats to hoodrats who din’ do nuffin’. I’ve heard that the Klan has successfully developed a negro-directed ‘death ray’ which, when deployed against innocent, unsuspecting homeboys will empty their EBT card balances, shorten their penises and temporarily render them incapable of appreciating Church’s Fried Chicken.

    Frightening stuff, indeed.

  • I have been nearly everywhere in the United States.
    ONCE (in Jasper, Texas) I saw Klan members.

    I have seen countless thousands of (non-White) gang bangers.
    The KKK is has no juice and is as close to a myth as possible.
    I’m calling baloney on being afraid of the KKK.

    • Katherine McChesney

      The last time I saw KKK members was on a drive from York, Ala. to Selma. That was in the 60’s. The first time I saw KKK members was when they visited a neighbor of ours in Alexander City, Ala. They were in full dress and were presenting an award to him. He was a Southern Baptist minister.

    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      It’s almost like the ‘Chosen people’ who keep guilt tripping us with ‘holocaust’ nonsense

    • Speedy Steve

      I met a klansman at a gun show in Richmond way back in 1993. He worked as a prison guard in the Patuxent Institution in Jessup, MD — a prison for the criminally insane. He smelled bad. One of the vendors bought his ring, his belt buckle and his hat. Klan paraphenalia is so rare it commands top dollar.

  • JR Kipling

    Ah yes the KKK. White hoods. Night riders. Burning crosses. They are everywhere. I wish I could meet one. I have lived in the South for 50 years and havent seen a single Klansman.
    Thousands of Leftist Liberal newspapers tell me they are there. Tens of thousands of hours of mjedia broadcasting dominate the airwaves 24/7 warning me about them. Blacks burn cities out of fear of the Klan, Blacks shoot other Blacks because of white supremacy.
    The SPLC has amassed 300 million dollars in donations to fight the takeover of the country by the Klan. So why cant I see them too?

    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      I’ve met far more self-hating white liberals in my life than I have whites who uttered racial slurs.

  • Dave West

    I had no idea there were so many Klansmen in mostly black urban areas!

    A black person would probably be safer popping into a cross-burning unannounced, than walking down the streets of Detroit on a hot summer night.

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      Yup, and especially if that street happens to have been named in honor of Saint Martin Luther King Jr. You know, the original Al Sharpton. Yeah, that guy. Anywhere you find a street in the so-called “black community” that carries his name. Look around, and you will find his legacy.

      • ghettovalley

        I wonder if, in the future, we will see Rev Al Sharpton Blvds pop up all over this once great nation.

  • MooTieFighter

    Scared of the KKK? B.S.! Never seen a klansman my entire life, except on movies. Seen MANY black racist groups.

    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      blacks kill each other all the time, call each other the N word all the time, but god forbid if there are any whites who might do that to them.

  • meanqueen

    I heard that the young man found murdered in his car in an apt. complex parking lot was one of the witnesses, but the news has not reported on it (it would make the blacks look bad). Does anyone know anything about that?

    • Kenner

      Check with the Conservative Treehouse, aka The Last Refuge. They just did an update on it.

  • Bobbala

    How long has Jerry Springer been off the air?

  • Shadrach

    The Klan is not even worth it anymore. They are just a group of pitiful low income Whites who want to relive the South in their Basements. What is even worse are the White Liberal Cowards crippled by Political Correctness.

    • Andross

      Sounds pretty elitist, Mr. Random Capitalization in Every sentence.

      • Shadrach

        What needs to be done is rewriting the play book where defense of Whiteness is not seen as racist or hateful. but valuable, important, and vital to this world. That way, we can win White Liberals over to our cause.

        • newscomments70

          Intellectual, literal analysis will not work. White liberals will not read or listen; they will only scream racism and adhere to their ideology. The only event that could win over white liberals is a good mugging. Even that often does not work. I used to be somewhat liberal. I think it was road rage convinced me to be realistic.

  • Speedy Steve

    It was very important that the MSM gin up a race war. There were too many White (Red) protestors scattered about every crud-crusted corner of the globe.

  • ElComadreja

    The fact is that the KKK probably has about 1,000 current members, 850 of which are FBI agents. More media encouraged black lies.