Punishment or Child Abuse?

Michael Eric Dyson, New York Times, September 18, 2014

The indictment last week of the N.F.L. player Adrian Peterson by a Texas grand jury for reckless or negligent injury to a child has set into relief the harmful disciplinary practices of some black families. Mr. Peterson used a “switch,” a slim, leafless tree branch, to beat his 4-year-old son, raising welts on the youngster’s legs, buttocks and scrotum. This is child abuse dressed up as acceptable punishment.

While 70 percent of Americans approve of corporal punishment, black Americans have a distinct history with the subject. Beating children has been a depressingly familiar habit in black families since our arrival in the New World. As the black psychiatrists William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs wrote in “Black Rage,” their 1968 examination of psychological black life: “Beating in child-rearing actually has its psychological roots in slavery and even yet black parents will feel that, just as they have suffered beatings as children, so it is right that their children be so treated.”

The lash of the plantation overseer fell heavily on children to whip them into fear of white authority. Terror in the field often gave way to parents beating black children in the shack, or at times in the presence of the slave owner in forced cooperation to break a rebellious child’s spirit. Black parents beat their children to keep them from misbehaving in the eyes of whites who had the power to send black youth to their deaths for the slightest offense. Today, many black parents fear that a loose tongue or flash of temper could get their child killed by a trigger-happy cop. They would rather beat their offspring than bury them.

If beating children began, paradoxically, as a violent preventive of even greater violence, it was enthusiastically embraced in black culture, especially when God was recruited. As an ordained Baptist minister with a doctorate in religion, I have heard all sorts of religious excuses for whippings.

And I have borne the physical and psychic scars of beatings myself. I can’t forget the feeling, as a 16-year-old, of my body being lifted from the floor in my father’s muscular grip as he cocked back his fist to hammer me until my mother’s cry called him off. I loved my father, but his aggressive brand of reproof left in me a trail of un-cried tears.

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Yet secular black culture thrives on colorful stories of punishment that are passed along as myths of ancient wisdom–a type of moral glue that holds together varying communities in black life across time and circumstance. Black comedians cut their teeth on dramatically recalling “whoopings” with belts, switches, extension cords, hairbrushes or whatever implement was at hand. Even as genial a comic as Bill Cosby offered a riff in his legendary 1983 routine that left no doubt about the deadly threat of black punishment. “My father established our relationship when I was 7 years old,” Mr. Cosby joked. “He looked at me and says, ‘You know, I brought you in this world, I’ll take you out. And it don’t make no difference to me, cause I’ll make another one look just like you.’ ”

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Adrian Peterson’s brutal behavior toward his 4-year-old son is, in truth, the violent amplification of the belief of many blacks that beatings made them better people, a sad and bleak justification for the continuation of the practice in younger generations. After Mr. Peterson’s indictment, the comedian D. L. Hughley tweeted: “A fathers belt hurts a lot less then a cops bullet!”

He is right, of course, but only in a forensic, not a moral or psychological sense. What hurts far less than either is the loving correction of our children’s misbehavior so they become healthy adults who speak against violence wherever they find it–in the barrel of a policeman’s gun, the fist of a lover or the switch of a misguided parent.

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  • I’ve thought long and hard about it, and if I ever have children, I won’t resort to corporeal punishment if my sprogs respond to non-corporeal punishment methods. And if I have to resort to that, it’s going to be only after they have confidence that I’ve listened to all three sides of the story (your side, my side and the truth).

    The problem with the way blacks do corporeal punishment is that they want to be violent for the sake of being violent. That only serves to perpetuate violence.

    • IstvanIN

      Scaring kids with threats of ghosts just make them neurotic.

      • Whitetrashgang

        Yes tell them there is a black man in the basement instead, works on me.

        • B.A_2014

          I would make them watch vice guide to Liberia and tell them if they don’t straighten up that’s where they will be going.

          • John R

            Better, if you don’t straighten up, you won’t do well in school, get a decent job, and may end up living in an area with lots of blacks. That’ll sure teach ’em!

      • Kelly John

        propagandaoftruth til I saw the bank draft which was of $8902, I be certain …that…my sister was truly earning money part time from there labtop.. there neighbour has done this for only about eighteen months and resently cleard the mortgage on their home and bought a brand new Toyota. this is where I went.….P&#101&#114&#x66&#101&#99&#116&#50&#51&#46&#67&#x6FM

        • propagandaoftruth

          Hey, she said my name! With a rack like that she must be earning big bucks on the webbytubey!

          Count me in mama!

        • Puggg

          Your sister and her neighbor will be cellmates at some federal prison, and the Feds will seize the Toyota for asset forfeiture.

          • Nancy

            Yes, but at least they “resently cleard” their mortgage.

        • Whitetrashgang

          I always wanted a labtop but my wife wanted a golden retriever , we settled on a golden shower.

          • propagandaoftruth

            It all goes back to the year of college I missed on account of that donkey show in Tijuana.

          • Garrett Brown

            Now that’s funny.

        • Michael Whalen

          Your sister looks at lots of ceilings.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Sure, QD, but you’re not black. Them little darkies often don’t understand anything else. Leaving a few welts on little future thuggie’s precious brown posterior is probably the kindest, most loving and responsible gift his old man will ever give him.

      This is what Peterson is in trouble for?

      Should give the man a medal for being a great black baby daddy.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        “A great black baby daddy”?

        For which baby?

        Martha McCallum on FOX news nearly landed herself in deep racial doo-doo when all the publicity when she brought attention about how he treated another child of his… but, by a different mother.

        • APaige

          He has many other children from many different mothers. The two children he abused were from different mothers, but the same age. There is a term for biological siblings less than 12 months apart in age called ‘Irish Twins.’ ( I am half-Irish) Children the same age born to different mothers, but the same father has to be called ‘Negro Twins.’

          • someonewhoknows

            “Siblin’ from another dribblin’.”

      • Tim_in_Indiana

        I dunno. Welts on a youngster’s scrotum is a little weird.

        • I’m confident that scrotum welts feel well below average.

          Switching is over-the-top.

        • propagandaoftruth

          When yer whackin the bejebus out of them with a stick and they’re squirmin’ and howlin’ like a scalded ape I guess some blows get the jewel sack.

          I’d never recommend this for a White kid, except that one who got caned in Singapore some years back, however.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Not all children, of course, need corporal punishment. A steady stare of disapproval or look of scorn after a misdeed is sufficient to nip bad behavior in the bud.

      My parents practiced corporal punishment, and in retrospect, glad I got my be-hinny spanked when it was deserved.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        This is true. Some children respond well to time-outs or verbal reprimands, while others will not correct their behavior without a spanking. I was never spanked, not even once, and I turned out fine because I didn’t like making adults angry with me as a child. Temperaments differ widely from individual to individual.

        I’d guess the old East Asian < White < Hispanic < Black progression probably applies here, with East Asians being the least likely to need corporal punishment and blacks being the most likely to need it.

    • Garrett Brown

      You’re too old to have kids QD.

      • Come now. Thirty-seven might be a prime number, and mean really nothing legally or in any other way, and it’s bit older than young. But I’m a long way from the retirement home!

  • LHathaway

    This is a complicated issue. What is it when that certain tone of voice is not enough, or when a mother or parent smacks a child’s hands when they are getting into trouble or doing something dangerous? At what point does even touching, holding or restraining become abuse?

    • TruthBeTold

      There’s a big difference between one quick whack on the buttock when a child say, runs into the street.

      Whipping a four year old with a switch is abuse with malice.

      • Jade1

        Totally agree. This was out and out abuse!!! But having said that there is no common sense anymore especially when you can get accused of child abuse if you yell at your kid in public.

    • IstvanIN

      Welts on the kids butt and SCROTUM is more than a smack on the hand. Not complicated at all.

      • Who Me?

        I saw the pictures of the child and he had welts and slices on both the front and back of his belly and thighs from the switch. I think the first statement, “beaten with a tree limb” was a far more accurate description of what happened there. What happened to that child was something that should never be inflicted on another human being by another–let alone a “loving” parent.

        • John R

          Exactly. I wouldn’t treat my dog like that, why my child?

          • Who Me?

            Because we are White people, we know better than to do things like that to our children or to other living creatures. Bantu have not yet evolved far enough to internalize that knowledge. Give them awhile–about 500,000 years.

  • BernieGoetzFan

    If there is one thing I am sure of it is this. Blacks will ALWAYS blame whites and others for their problems. If I awake from the grave in 2214 there will still be Michael Eric Dyson’s blaming black failure on everyone else but blacks.
    The question is, will whites and others keep accepting the blame? I cannot see Asians, Hispanics and Muslims accepting any of the blame for black pathology. Whites didn’t always take this type of garbage from blacks either.
    So, hopefully, blacks will reap the whirlwind on this.

    • Rhialto

      Black parents are instinctively harsh and abusive (and unpredictable) toward misbehaving children. They are and have been this way in in Africa or the US Slavery has nothing to do with it.

      The key point of this Dyson rant is that it was printed in the formerly respectable NYT, which now has the intellectual level of MTV.

  • TruthBeTold

    Unique to American blacks because of slavery?

    Deep in my ‘archives’ I have a VHS tape of a school in Africa.

    The principle would literally beat a confession out of a student. Very disturbing to watch.

    The practice has nothing to do with slavery. It’s part of African culture.

    Dyson lives in the dream world where blacks would rule the world because of their inherent superiority if it wasn’t for white people.

    • LHathaway

      If there weren’t white people it would certainly make it easier for them.

    • Dave West

      “Dyson lives in the dream world where blacks would rule the world because of their inherent superiority if it wasn’t for white people.”

      Too bad those damn Greeks stole all their knowledge!

      • Nonhumans

        And Magic Powers!

  • MekongDelta69

    Michael Eric Dyson would blame White people if his PB&J sandwich he just ordered in a diner was served to him upside down.

    He’s an anti-White black racist, right there on top of a long list of them.

    • Yep, and what’s sick is that he gets a lot of face time on TV, while Mr. Taylor, et. al. gets none. Of course, if Mr. Taylor were given TV time he would be surrounded by hostile commenters. Dyson is surrounded by head nodding sycophants agreeing with his every word.

      • B.A_2014

        If Jared Taylor was given the face time Eric Dyson gets we would all be drinking sparkling champagne on a beach in Whiteistan by now.

      • Charlie

        Michael Eric Dyson gets all the TV exposure, and Jared Taylor gets none, is because the Jews, who are intensely anti-White, do not want anyone with any shred of ethnic, cultural, political, religious, and above all, racial awareness, any opportunity to awaken and brainwashed masses…that’s why, virtually every single White person on television, is either gay, lesbian, leftist, atheist, pro-black, wannabe black, has mixed kids, nonsexual, chemically dependent, fat, ugly, ignorant, rude, self-centered, and above all, anti-White…
        Just ask yourself, how many truly wholesome Whites, have you seen on television over the past few years? Gotta think long and hard for that one…

        • george00

          Who needs a White revolution when a Race Realist TV show would do just as well. Think of it, one Race Realist TV show every week for a few months would change the world. That’s why there isn’t any.

        • lily-white

          pretty accurate but may I add “open border types” (who support white genocide) to that list…

        • meanqueen

          But what does all that have to do with Jews?

      • Wally Wally

        Jared Taylor is not on TV for the same reason the New Black Panther Party and the KKK aren’t: he’s too radical and some of the ideas he’s espousing don’t ‘pass the smell test’. The bulk of America is moderate and are not buying what Jared Taylor is pushing.

  • Lord Sandwich

    All this hoopla over the fact that a black man beat his kid. Not a peep about the black man that broke into a young white woman’s Pennsylvania home last month and stabbed her 20 times.

    • propagandaoftruth

      And I have borne the physical and psychic scars of beatings myself. I can’t forget the feeling, as a 16-year-old, of my body being lifted from the floor in my father’s muscular grip as he cocked back his fist to hammer me until my mother’s cry called him off. I loved my father, but his aggressive brand of reproof left in me a trail of un-cried tears.
      —————————————

      Oh boo effin hoo. You’re an “ordained Baptist minister with a doctorate in religion”. Deal with it.

      • Michael Whalen

        My dad dragged me out of the bathtub one time, as naked as the day I was born. He beat me until I lost control of myself and urinated all over the bathroom floor. I was eleven years old. Years later, when I was finally physically big enough to do it, I smacked him across the side of the head. He called the cops on me, just like the coward he was. He died about three years ago. I hope you like it down there Dad! A little warm, isn’t it?

        • DNA Explains It All

          My old man was a mean one too. Loved to kick my ass drunk at night after 2am and the bars closed. Pretending to be asleep and praying he would find nothing to scream my name over. When I finally got big enough to take him I made the mistake of trying at a party after I was way too drunk to walk, the old man could have really F’ed me up, but didn’t. After that I suppose we made our peace and even became friends before he died.

        • propagandaoftruth

          My issues were with a bipolar mom who psychologically abused everyone who cared for her. Pops was a Job-like saint of the greatest generation type. When she died I was relieved.

          Complicated these things.

    • Sandwich, Peterson gets the news coverage because he’s been put on a pedestal by the white man, who worships his Negro feet and made him a millionaire. The media is just reporting what the white man wants to hear about in this case. Until whites get over their addiction to the NFL, the negro players will get the coverage, while innocent white girls will get none. Sad, but a reality of our times.

      • R L Buds

        It makes me sick listening to these fat pigs talking about their favorite sports “heroes”. Whites in this country need to grow up and join the real world, rather than obsessing over millionaires running around in their tights.

    • thomasdosborneii

      Seems like all those beatings do nothing to prevent criminal behavior. In my view, they help cause it. For children to be beaten is to fill them with unquenchable hatred.

    • lily-white

      ….

  • Robert Binion

    Have not anthropologists told us that coming of age rituals in primitive African cultures are quite brutal, sometimes fatal? They certainly have existed for thousands of years.

  • Tarczan

    “Black parents beat their children to keep them from misbehaving in the eyes of whites who had the power to send black youth to their deaths for the slightest offense. Today, many black parents fear that a loose tongue or flash of temper could get their child killed by a trigger-happy cop. They would rather beat their offspring than bury them.”

    He really believes this ? Amazing, I just don’t know how to respond. It is just so ridiculous.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Also the guy has millions, his kids are safe from everything but himself.

    • thomasdosborneii

      What a knee-jerk and somewhat unthinking belief is in encompassed in that black person’s “excuse”. Whites had the power to send black youth to their deaths for the slightest offense? Of course I suppose, maybe, they COULD kill one of their slaves, but how likely would they be to do so? While it is difficult to talk about humans as property, sometimes it helps to look at things from that perspective. Property is wealth value, an investment, and slaves were immensely valuable, even children, who, of course, would be growing up and increasing in value every year. Does a farmer simply kill his calves or lambs or colts or piglets just for the “so-called” “power” of it? Would a person today simply take their car and drive it over a cliff? Or burn up a pile of thousand dollars bills just to make a nice bonfire? While slave owners would want a certain behavior from their slaves, KILLING them was hardly much of an option. Only if they were like a mad dog that had to be “put down”. But a child that “misbehaved?” No way.

  • Luca

    The Africans who stayed in Africa had great family values. If their kids misbehaved they would just sell them into slavery or sell an 11-yr old daughter to the local goat herder.

  • B.A_2014

    This article is amazing. I can’t believe that man actually has the balls to put this bullshit on paper. If someone in Ireland blamed his failures or the failures of his community on his/their ancestors suffering during the famine (the famine ended in 1848, slavery in 1865) he would be a national embarrassment.

  • Mary

    Before I had children, I believed that corporal punishment was barbaric. Now that I have three young boys, I’ve revised that belief. But there is absolutely no equivalence between a little spank on the bottom, and a beating with a switch. Any time “punishment” leaves “welts”, it’s abuse, period. And only monsters abuse children.

    • Jade1

      You are 100% correct Mary.

    • meanqueen

      I have three boys, too. I agree with you.

  • Dyson (that his slave master’s name, LOL?) has done something very simple here. He uses the “legacy of slavery” nonsense to let blackie off the hook and pass the blame to whitey.

    This garbage is about all the libtards have left today to get blacks off the hook. Think how destructive it would be to civilization if whites used the “legacy of indentured servitude” excuse to get themselves off the hook. Or the “Appalachian poverty” excuse. Or the “victim of Genghis Khan” excuse. We could play this game, going back in history thousands of years.

    But we whites prefer to behave ourselves rather than make excuses for our relatives who misbehave.

  • ghettovalley

    I have no children yet, so I really cannot comment on the appropriate way to discipline them. I have certainly encountered more than a few children in public who seem to need it though. I was definitely a handful as a child. The threat of getting my butt whipped was about the only thing that kept me in line. I would have turned out a lot worse, in my opinion, without it.

    • My wife and I have a seven year-old daughter who has never been hit. I was badly beaten as a child, and just do not have it in me to use force. As President Eisenhower once said, the buck stops here.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        Ike may have said that, but it is associated with his predecessor.

        • Usually Much Calmer

          I have been having trouble with both links and images lately.

  • Samuel Hathaway

    Thomas Jefferson, in his notes on Virginia, believed that slaves should never be whipped except in extremities, relying more in using any punishment more as a stimulus of character.

    But this isn’t the part of the story the historial revisionists and Afro-bigots want to be told, so here again, whites are to blame for epidemic, borderline child abuse by the bluegums toward their black chillin’s.

    • LHathaway

      What the heck is even a ‘bluegum’? Yesterday I assumed it was something different.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        “Bluegums” is another word for black, negro, negroid, African-American. Yesterday, what did you think it was?

        • LHathaway

          By the context, I had thought it stood for the ‘J’ people. . .

          • Samuel Hathaway

            The “J” people? You mean Jaliscienses from Jalisco, México?

          • LHathaway

            No. I had thought ‘Blue gums’ had meant Jews from the reading an earlier comment. I’ve heard Obama called ‘blue lips’ before. I think it may have even been ‘ole blue lips’

            I remember a couple of posters who called blacks ‘canadians’. Like they might even do that in public, even assuming no one would know what they were talking about. That was a flash in the pan, I think (they said they did, though). Of course, it’s worse, if they Do know what you’re really talking about, but what could they do, get angry at you for mentioning ‘canadians’?

            I can’t keep up. The other day someone wrote knee-grows. I had no idea what it meant. I almost went to look up ‘knee-grows’ to see what the slur meant.

            I like to think of blacks as ‘racism’ often times. I use the word racism instead of blacks. Mostly I just think of them that way. If I was out more, I could see including that in the conversation, under the radar. Would they know what I meant, or not? What of the Very-truthful implication (if they understood what I was saying)?

        • LHathaway

          I thought it was J’s.

        • Jack Burton

          African pigmentation can include dark gums (blue gums), purple lips (oyster lips) and dark spots in the sclera.

    • Jack Burton

      The problem is corporal punishment can often lead to sadistic abuse, they don’t differentiate in these studies about abuse. They include the worst case scenarios and use them as representative of all corporal punishment, so obviously it is abusive and destructive in that extreme context. It’s a very liberal way of thinking, such as a minority of people abuse gun ownership and kill others, so ban guns for everyone.

      The problem again is that blacks are more unruly than whites and Asians, they lack self-discipline and impulse control, thus they require more physical intervention of their bad behavior which includes corporal punishment as children, and later more police response as adolescents and adults.

      From my own experience and from the testimony of teachers, teaching black children is less about teaching and more about discipline. They spend a majority of their time trying to control black anti-social behavior rather than actually educating the children, who are resistant and disinterested in learning anyway.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    Two passages from missionaries in Africa, quoted in The Negroes in Negroland:
    .
    “They are total strangers to domestic happiness. The men have several wives, but conjugal affection is little known. They take no great care of their children, and never correct them, except in a fit of rage, when they almost kill them by severe usage. In a quarrel between father and mother, or the several wives of a husband, the defeated party wreaks his or her vengeance on the child of the conqueror, which in general loses its life.” — Kicherer, quoted in Moffat’s Africa, page 49.
    .
    “Very little systematic control is exercised by either parent; and the children are, for the most part, utterly disobedient and reckless of parental authority. As they are taught in their earliest infancy to steal and lie, and to indulge in other gross vices, nothing better could be expected. One most cruel punishment inflicted upon their children, when they can no longer bear with them, is to rub red pepper in their eyes.” — Scott’s Day Dawn in Africa, page 49.

  • Dave West

    “Black parents beat their children to keep them from misbehaving in the eyes of whites who had the power to send black youth to their deaths for the slightest offense. Today, many black parents fear that a loose tongue or flash of temper could get their child killed by a trigger-happy cop. They would rather beat their offspring than bury them.”

    What a load of crap, black people could care less what white people think about them. In general, black people are the most loud, obnoxious, and careless people on the planet. In the extremely small off-chance that many black people are violent towards their children to keep them from “misbehaving” around evil whitey; then they are doing an extremely poor job of it. I don’t have a huge problem with blacks blaming whites for every failure on their part, thats just what they do. What I do have a problem with is the whites who actually buy all that garbage.

  • Nancy

    “…loving correction of our children’s misbehavior…”

    Uh huh. When I was teaching in the inner city, a common redress for students who refused to do their schoolwork during class was to keep them after the bell. In a school where everyone lives within walking distance, this wasn’t a problem. The first day I did this, I kept four or five boys after school to finish their work. One of the boy’s mother came in and asked if it were okay to write down his assignments and he could finish at home, because she had to take him somewhere, I don’t recall where. I told her certainly, that was fine, and in the few seconds it took to turn around and walk back to my desk, she had the strap unhooked from her purse, her shoes were off, and she was literally chasing her kid around the classroom, beating him over the head and shoulders with the strap and yelling, “BOY! WHAT’S DAT I TOLE YOU ‘BOUT FOOLIN’ AROUND IN SKOO?!?!”

    Is that what they mean by “loving correction”?

  • Nancy

    “…loving correction of our children’s misbehavior…”

    Uh huh. When I was teaching in the inner city, a common redress for students who refused to do their schoolwork during class was to keep them after the bell. In a school where everyone lives within walking distance, this wasn’t a problem. The first day I did this, I kept four or five boys after school to finish their work. One of the boy’s mother came in and asked if it were okay to write down his assignments and he could finish at home, because she had to take him somewhere, I don’t recall where. I told her certainly, that was fine, and in the few seconds it took to turn around and walk back to my desk, she had the strap unhooked from her purse, her shoes were off, and she was literally chasing her kid around the classroom, beating him over the head and shoulders with the strap and yelling, “BOY! WHAT’S DAT I TOLE YOU ‘BOUT FOOLIN’ AROUND IN SKOO?!?!”

    Is that what they mean by “loving correction”?

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Sweetie, for teaching in the inner-city, your reward is in Heaven.

    • B.A_2014

      I would have taken out my camera phone and started yelling “WORLD STAR HIP-HOP”.

    • lily-white

      now THATS an interesting story…

    • meanqueen

      Well, at least she was trying to do the right thing.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    The lash of the plantation overseer fell heavily on children to whip them into fear of white authority

    Only problem with this brilliant line of “reasoning” is that you will probably find the same pattern of black parental beatings throughout Africa. Of course, there, it’s probably due to “the legacy of white colonialism” or something like that.

  • IKUredux

    Oh for crying out loud. Please people, get with the program. If blacks beat their children, it is the fault of Whites. If blacks beat their children, no matter where on Earth, it is the fault of Whites. If blacks don’t have water to drink, or, if they do, but don’t pay for it, it is the fault of Whites. I am breathlessly awaiting Michael Kors new hairshirt fashions for Whites. Every outfit will cost you enough money to keep Kors away from the third world rabble, with some left over to pay for (fill in the blanks) in Africa.

    • meanqueen

      Hairshirts for whites! Genius!

  • MBlanc46

    There’s just no end of things that American Negroes will blame on slavery, is there? Poverty. Crime. Ignorance. Now it’s punishing their children. Tomorrow it will be the common cold.. “The reason blacks have colds is that because, back in slavery times….”

  • Who Me?

    A few years ago my brother-in-law took his son, then 3 years old to the 7-11 while he was getting something. Nephew picked up a candy bar and started eating it, Bro-in-law gets up to the check stand and sees the kid eating the stolen candy bar. He takes it away from the child, pitches it in the trash and proceeds to whip the kid (on the bottom, with his bare hand) The store clerk starts to remonstrate with bro-in-law. He looks up and says, “Okay, I won’t spank him, and in 20 years he will come and stick a gun in your face. You like that better?” The clerk shut his mouth.
    The nephew is now 19 and to date, hasn’t stuck a gun in anybody’s face!

    • thomasdosborneii

      “Sounds good,” but I don’t really get the connection between the spanking and the lesson. What exactly is this three-year-old supposed to get from this? He’s not supposed to eat candy? All this abundance is not there for the taking? Suddenly he is not allowed to use his hands to reach out and grab something he wants? All he knows is that he was out for a fun outing, and suddenly his insane father is hurting and shaming him. He certainly wasn’t “stealing”; he has no concept of money and buying and selling. He’s not 21-year-old Michael Brown, he’s a three-year old kid, learning about the world. Michael Brown probably was “taught” the same way, so all that happens is every time he goes into a convenience store is that suddenly he is filled with anger and resentment and doesn’t even know why. NHe was hurt in there, but now he is “big”, so now nobody can stop him; he never learned the lesson of why he shouldn’t steal. Hell, he never even learned the lesson of staying out of the street. His parents actually must have not cared if he ever got run over by a car.

      • Who Me?

        Are you serious? A three year old certainly CAN understand when his father tells him what he did and why it was wrong, and then lays a couple of swats on the rear end to emphasize the point, which is what happened.

        • thomasdosborneii

          I’m totally serious. If the three year old CAN understand, then give him a chance to prove it. The “emphasis” of the pain (such as it is) or the shaming is not called for. If this boy CONTINUES to take candy at the store (I don’t know, he’s a slow learner?), then he will need something else as a lesson, such as, “Well, son you have abused the privilege of coming with me to the store, I guess we’ll just have to wait until you are older and can behave.” If the Dad is one who thinks he needs to “emphasize” every lesson, then maybe going on outings with him is not all that much fun anyway. I would think that simply displeasing his Dad would be punishment enough and a much more powerful lesson. It’s not like training circus animals.

          • Who Me?

            My nephew didn’t get very many spankings as I recall, and I’m sure I would have if there were very many of them, as I don’t generally believe in spanking. However it’s a moot point by now as you would see if you read all the way through my post. The “boy” in question is a fine young man now, 19 years of age and just started his first year of college. Some sort of lesson must have been learned, because he’s neither a thief nor a thug.

          • meanqueen

            Yes, but he may not respect his father very much.

    • meanqueen

      Not an appropriate use of spanking, in my opinion. A 3 year old doesn’t know he is stealing. He was probably confused by his father’s violence, and humiliated to be treated that way in public. Simply wrong, wrong, wrong. This is the kind of thing that gives spanking a bad rep. I spank for deliberate, willful defiance, having no doubt whatsoever that my child knows what he’s doing wrong, and I do it in private to protect his dignity. Sorry if I sound harsh. It’s just that this kind of story is what feeds all the anti-spanking fascists.

  • JohnEngelman

    I was not the brilliant student my parents would have preferred. Nevertheless, I was usually a well behaved child and an obedient adolescent, without being raised by punitive parents. Black parents may understand that harsher disciplinary methods are necessary.

    • Oh blacks can get harsh, accept its not constructive, lacking in intellect.

  • WR_the_realist

    It will always be whitey’s fault. Even when there are no more whiteys left to blame.

    The first rule of liberalism: Black people are never to blame for anything.

  • Paleoconn

    Blacks beat their kids (even those who don’t live with them) because of slavery 150 years ago. Good to know. What excuse will they be using 150 years from now? Same?

    • Jack Burton

      That’s a curious argument. So if they learned that from their white slave masters, then why didn’t blacks also learn to behave? Makes no sense does it? If blacks were so capable of learning behaviors, why didn’t they learn any of the good ones? LOL.

      • Paleoconn

        If the White race is extinguished, blacks will blame White racism for leaving them to each other. The ultimate ‘White flight’, one from which there is no return.

  • richard garyson

    There is no end to the creative and not so creative ways in which blacks and their liberal white enablers invent excuses for bad black behavior. IMHO, corporeal punishment is usually just lazy and frustrated parenting. Parents should not spank their children, let alone use implements like switches and paddles, to discipline them. Spanking and whooping increase aggressiveness, lower IQ (something which blacks of all people can ill afford) and teaches children that might makes right. I honestly believe that better parenting is the key to a better future. The trauma we experienced as children shapes our personalities in more ways than we can imagine. Good, loving parents can offset this. I don’t excuse bad black behavior, but I suspect it would not be as bad, if blacks were better parents.

  • propagandaoftruth

    Heehee…

    I have a really cynical sense of humor. Ever see that movie, “The Avengers”? Not the worst, minimal irritating negro-ness except for Samuel L Jackson, who is a living cartoon character regardless…

    But there’s a great scene with Mark Ruffalo where he admits that the way he controls his anger is that he’s angry all the time, thereby controlling the rage monster inside.

    I get it.

    But…Pesach…you’re from up North, right? Pardon if I mis-remember. But anyway…I know you have some nasty, rough Negros up there in little black urban pockets and all but…

    Ever go to school with like 80 – 90% of them? Taught ’em? Fought ’em? Really got up close and got a real long, greasy look at them? So as to recognize different physical phenotypes and personality types?

    I can get along with many of them swimmingly, especially the ones who know how to raise those little humanoids – rough and steady and merciless is kindness for most.

    They are not like us in hardly any way and it’s ultimately condescending ignorant arrogance to think of them any other way. Dangerous too.

    Not intending any aspersion, you know, but seriously, there’s an aspect of having to think of it like not interfering in some wild animal shaking it’s offspring a little too roughly.

    • PesachPatriot

      I did grow up in the north(rural upstate NY to be exact) but I have lived in florida for almost ten years now….I understand very well that the 13% are very, very different from every other demographic in the lower 48 states….I agree with you that their parenting practices are their own business and they can’t really be held to white/non-black standards….

  • Brady

    Physically restraining a child from doing something harmful to himself or others, is, in a way a form of violence. It’s a question of how to use violence.

    Oh, and anybody who would admit that his old man could whoop him at age 16, really has no shame.

    Anyway, it looks like it kept Rev. Dyson out of jail…

  • a1781054

    Which makes sense if we ignore the fact that over half of all Blacks in the USA have no history of slavery.

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      Really? Do you mean that half of today’s black population in America. Actually have their roots in ancestors who immigrated here after slavery was already abolished? If so, that is absolutely perfect ammo for some comment wars. Do you happen to have a referable source to this information friend?

    • Sloppo

      I suspect that the vast majority of blacks who come here today from Africa have a considerable amount of slavery in their ancestry before they get here. Of course, most of that slavery was the benevolent black-on-black or arab-on-black variety which has absolutely no harmful lasting effects like the white-on-black kind does. Black-on-black activities like slavery, rape, murder, and robbery are cultural practices which should not be criticized or even mentioned in polite conversation.

      • Wally Wally

        “Black-on-black activities like slavery, rape, murder, and robbery are cultural practices which should not be criticized or even mentioned in polite conversation.”

        Being somewhat of a liberal, non-race-realist, I find it entertaining reading many of the outrageous comments coming from the keys of some of you race realists. It’s like going back in time to a bygone era. But every once in a while, someone writes something that can only be described as — ‘being in a class of its own’. You, my friend, has concocted one of those rare gems: “… slavery, rape, murder, and robbery are cultural practices …”; surely you jest?

  • B.A_2014

    There have been some studies done that suggest slapping or spanking a child causes long lasting psychological damage and the studies also said that children that are disciplined are more to behave violently in adulthood.

    Who wants to bet that the test subjects are disproportionately minorites and the others are lower class whites (I’m not trying to be demeaning as I would be considered lower class).

  • manassamauler

    I remember some tough black kids in junior high school in the early 60’s having cigarette burns on their faces and arms. Also, I read where many black boxers, when asked how they got into fighting for a living, replied that it was much easier to fight on the streets after taking beatings from their father who was more often drunk than not. The beatings stopped invariably, when “father” abandoned the family, or son was tough enough to put it upside the head of “father”.

  • Demo P. Seal; PouponMarks

    I am sad to report that Amren is censoring, it seems, any negative remarks about Jews being a large part in the displacement and victimization of Whites. These are Marxist/Communist Jews, who for generations have targeted the destruction of the Middle Class. By targeting White, Christian, Euro-Amercans, they get two for one.

    It is dishonest for Amren to exclude this elite from criticism. I have pointed out that atheist, Marxist Jews are the problem for Whites, NOT Conservative, patriotic ones. I hope this changes. Blacks are just the battering ram, the real direction and power comes from the noted.

  • John R

    Interesting points. There is a common stereotype among Whites that blacks are criminals because they lack discipline. No, in reality, black families are very authoritarian. And, contrary to what most black parents think, beating a child does not teach him to respect the law. It only teaches him violence. We can see the results.

    • Alexandra1973

      They do lack discipline. Why else would they be running to the store to buy $200 Air Jordans, then wind up whining about not being able to pay a bill later that month?

      I tend to think that blacks smack their kids around when the kids get to be annoying. “Get outta here! Lemme have my crack fix!”

      • John R

        Probably right. Blacks, whether children or parents, have an inability to handle any frustration or to control themselves emotionally.

  • jackryanvb

    I invite other Amren readers to join a boycott of NFL, SEC college football this year. It will be a subtle or not so subtle boycott of the Black criminal, thug, women and children and dog abusing Black culture, similar to the reaction against Michael Vick running dog fighting.

    I also encourage amren readers to target “Christian” Whites. Sunday is supposed to be a day of rest, prayer a holy day, not worshipping modern day Gladitorial slaves. On a small scale just mention to all sports bars you go in to, really any bar with a TV that you prefer to watch hockey or tennis instead of football as you don’t want to promote thug culture, men like Adrian Peterson having 7 illegitimate children with 5 seperate women and then he beats the children.

    • Alexandra1973

      I already don’t watch sports; matter of fact, we don’t have cable. My son and I are in church twice a day on Sundays.

      My son likes Bob the Builder and Angry Birds. No American Idol or Dancing with the Stars nonsense here!

  • Lord Sandwich

    So…black dysfunction is caused by the absence of black fathers, until it’s caused by the presence of black fathers. Got it? Aw heck, let’s just blame whitey some more.

  • TXCriollo

    I cant stand this guy he just drives me up a wall everytime he opens his mouth. Back in college he spoke at an even i went and asked a question. The question was more on economics, but i asked you praise progressive politics and prior to the democrats war on poverty, the black family was much stronger and was not like today. Lack of a father, lower crime more in school hbcu were in much better shape then today. To me progressives destroyed the black family as a goal to create a voting block. He couldnt answer stating he lacked proper facts on black families prior to the war on poverty

  • lily-white

    source please… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_corporal_punishment

    Afghanistan (men and women – whip or cane, no target specified; public or private)[19][20] see Judicial corporal punishment in Afghanistan

    Antigua and Barbuda (boys only – details unclear)[21][22]

    Bahamas (men – cat on bare back; boys – cane on bare buttocks; in private)[23][24]

    Barbados (boys only – details unclear)[6]

    Botswana (males aged 14 to 40 – cane on bare buttocks; in private)[25][26]

    Brunei (men and boys – cane on bare buttocks; in private)[8][27][28]

    Dominica (boys under 16 – details unclear)[29]

    Grenada (men and boys – details unclear)[30]

    Ecuador (men and women – traditional indigenous justice)[31]

    Guyana (men and boys – details unclear)[32]

    Indonesia, Aceh State only (men and women – cane on clothed back; in public)[18][33]

    Iran (men, women, boys, girls – whip or strap, no target specified; public or private)[14]

    Lesotho (men and boys – details unclear)[34]

    Malaysia (Criminal law: men and boys – cane on bare buttocks; in private).[1] See Caning in Malaysia. * (Sharia law, Muslims only: men and women – cane on clothed back; in private)[35][36]

    Maldives (men and women – details unclear)[37]

    Nigeria (men, women, boys, girls – cane on clothed buttocks or whip on bare back; in public. Used only in northern states)[15][38]

    Pakistan (men and boys – cane or strap on clothed buttocks; public or private)[39]

    Qatar (men and women – details unclear; in private)[40]

    Saint Kitts and Nevis (boys and men – details unclear)[41][42]

    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (boys only – cane on bare buttocks)[43]

    Saudi Arabia (men and women – whip or cane over clothes, no target specified; public or private)[44]

    Sierra Leone (boys only – cane or birch on bare buttocks)[45]

    Singapore (men and boys – cane on bare buttocks; in private). See Caning in Singapore.

    Somalia (men and women – cane on clothed buttocks)[46]

    Sudan (men, women, boys, girls – whip on clothed back)[16]

    Swaziland (boys only – cane on bare buttocks)[9]

    Tanzania (men and boys – cane on bare buttocks; in private)[2]

    Tonga (men – cat on bare buttocks; boys – birch or cat on bare buttocks)[10]

    Trinidad and Tobago (men only – cat on bare back or birch on bare buttocks; in private)[47]

    Tuvalu (details unclear)[48]

    United Arab Emirates (Muslims only: males – whip on bare back; females – whip on clothed back; public or private)[49]

    Yemen (details unclear)[17]

    Zimbabwe (boys only – cane on bare buttocks; in private)[50]

    The above list does not include countries where a “blind eye” is sometimes turned to unofficial JCP by local tribes, authorities, etc. including Bangladesh,[51] and Colombia.[52]

  • gemjunior

    They only understand violence, it’s all they know.

  • Lygeia

    Beatings like this very well may have their roots in slave culture, just like the black fraternities who brand their pledges’ biceps with a literal branding iron that is smoking hot and sears the flesh with the image of the black fraternity.

    But after this many years, isn’t it time black people took the responsibility to understand this and become more civilized and decent to one another, especially their own children?

  • meanqueen

    What he did was clearly abusive. But as for your little girl, lucky you! I have three boys and for starters, they don’t hear a raised voice, and “you’re being naughty” would be met with “no YOU’RE being naughty” so yeah, we spank in this house.