If ISIS Is Not Islamic, Then the Inquisition Was Not Catholic

Jerry A. Coyne, New Republic, September 13, 2014

As ISIS slaughters its way though Syria and Iraq, it became inevitable that we’d hear from apologists who claim that ISIS is not in fact “true Islam,” and that its depredations are due to something other than religious motivation. Those motivations, say the apologists, are political (usually Western colonialism that engenders resentment), cultural (societal tradition), or anything other than religion.

These apologists, of course, which now include President Obama, are motivated by a desire to avoid criticizing religion at all costs–especially Islam. In America, criticizing religion is political suicide, and Obama naturally wants to do all he can to encourage “moderate” Muslims. As Sam Harris concluded on a post on his website, some “scholars and pseudo-scholars” cling to a ludicrous notion that the actions of jihadis like those of ISIS aren’t motivated by religion. As he noted: “experts claim that one can’t take Islamists and jihadists at their word: Their incessant declarations about God, paradise, martyrdom, and the evils of apostasy are nothing more than a mask concealing their real motivations.”

The apologists are also motivated by another form of denial. Yes, they say, jihadis may be motivated by Islam, but it’s not “true” Islam. True Islam is peaceful, and its adherents would never slaughter apostates, behead journalists, or forcibly convert non-Muslims. This is what Obama said the other night when explaining his plan to dismantle ISIS (or “ISIL,” as he calls it):

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. . . . ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple.

And here’s what he said in response to the beheading of journalist James Foley:

ISIL speaks for no religion . . . and no faith teaches people to massacre innocents. No just God would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day.

Well, the beheading did happen, meaning either that God is not just, or there is no God–a possibility that Obama clearly can’t mention. (We’ll ignore for the moment that both the Qur’an and the Bible do indeed teach people to massacre innocents.)

{snip}

Well, if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Inquisition was not Catholic. The fact is that there are no defensible criteria for whether a faith is “true,” since all faiths are man-made and accrete doctrine–said to come from God, but itself man-made–that becomes integral to those faiths. Whatever “true faith” means, it doesn’t mean “the right religion: the one whose God exists and whose doctrines are correct.” If that were so, we wouldn’t see Westerners trying to tell us what “true Islam” is.

No, if “true” means anything, it must mean “true to some principles.” As far as I can see, there are only two such principles: true to scripture or true to some code of conduct that the writer approves. But these definitions often contradict each other, so no “true” religion can be specified.

First, the truest religion could be that which sticks the closest to scripture. In that case the “truest” Christianity and Judaism would be literalist and fundamentalist. They would adhere to the creationism set out in Genesis, as well as to the immoral behaviors sanctioned by God in the Old Testament. These include killing those children who curse their parents, as well as adulterers and those who work on the Sabbath. Although these are clear moral dictates of God, no modern Christians or Jews obey them, for the rules are reprehensible. {snip}

You can cherry-pick the Qur’an as easily as you can the Bible, for both are filled with calls for violence and genocide that distress us. {snip}

Actually, what people like Obama, Paul, Volsky, and Jenkins consider “true” faith is this: “faith that promotes the kind of behavior that I like.” So, as do all believers, the apologists pick and choose from scripture the dictates that they find congenial, ignoring the bad ones.

Many beliefs of some Muslim sects–like female genital mutilation and devaluating a woman’s testimony in court (according to sharia law, it’s worth only half of a man’s)–are not explicitly given in the Qur’an, the word of Allah supposedly dictated to Muhammad. Rather, they have become associated with Islam through the hadith and the sunnah (reported sayings, practices, and beliefs of Muhammad), or through simple tradition. ISIS has an extreme and fundamentalist interpretation of Muslim doctrine. But in exactly the same way, dogma about the immorality of abortion, homosexuality, premarital sex, and divorce have become part of Catholicism. They are theological interpretations of scripture that appeal to some people’s sense of morality. Others disagree. Whose faith is “truer”?

In the end, there is no “true” religion in the factual sense, for there is no good evidence supporting their claims to truth. Nor are there “true” religions in the moral sense. Every faith justifies itself and its practices by appeal to authority, revelation, and dogma. There are just some religions we like better than others because of their practical consequences. If that’s what we mean by “true,” we should just admit it. There’s no shame in that, for it’s certainly the case that societies based on some religions are more dysfunctional than others. Morality itself is neither objectively true nor false, but at bottom rests on subjective preferences: the “oughts” that come from what we see as the consequences of behaving one way versus another.

By all means let us say that ISIS is a strain of Islam that is barbaric and dysfunctional, but let us not hear any nonsense that it’s a “false religion.” {snip}

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  • It makes sense now. For example:

    Barney Frank isn’t gay, he’s just addicted to wenis.
    Thanks a pantload for the clarification.

  • JohnEngelman

    You can cherry-pick the Qur’an as easily as you can the Bible, for both are filled with calls for violence and genocide that distress us.

    – Jerry A. Coyne, New Republic, September 13, 2014

    Nowhere does the New Testament advocate violence to win conversions, or keep the wavering to leave the faith.

    The Koran is full of verses like IX:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    • Bantu_Education

      “Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

      That should read “Allah is Forgiving, Merciful….LOL..!”

      • DaveMed

        Well done.

      • captainc

        Because He could say, they should be killed anyway.

    • The Verdict of History

      YES

      If Christ saw the Crusades or Inquisition, he’d smite those who committed acts of violence in His name.

      If Mohammed saw Islamic State slaughtering the innocent Fire-worshippers in Iraq, he’d waste no time in joining the death squads.

      • Samuel McNamara

        Furthermore, Christianity views all men as severe sinners and worthy of death: It views the law as condemning all men in severe terms, thus precribing mercy in their treatment of one another. The Quran on the other hand portrays a much starker divide between believer and unbeliever, sinner and non sinner, that doesn’t lend itself to such an interpretation(as made manifest by jesus in the new testament).

      • Samuel McNamara

        If anything the Right wing critique of Christianity as excessively loving and altruistic is far far more accurate. I say this as a Christian. When a leftist calls my religion racist, I respond with “one can only hope”.

      • Cid Campeador

        Jesus could afford to turn the other cheek, He knew that in three days he’d be back.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      A lot of the differences between Christians and Muslims have an HBD component that is normally overlooked.

      • JP Rushton

        Correct, which is why the Christians in Africa are just as bad as the Muslims there. If you are violent, you will use any religion as your excuse to play out that violence.

        • LHathaway

          What about self defense?

        • [Guest]

          Whether your excuse is valid, though, is dependent upon whether your religion calls for violence.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      With “the Bible” the Old Testament is meant here. There are many passages in the O.T. advocating genocide. The whole conquest of Canaan in the Book of Joshua is described as a genocidal act of ethnic cleansing. According to the O.T. homosexuals and those who violate the sabbath should be stoned to death. Islam resembles O.T. Judaism very much, the main difference being that the Jews in the O.T. were required to conquer only Canaan while Muslims are required to conquer the whole world.

      • captainc

        Muhammad said Islam is for the whole world. It is not only for the Jewas or Arabs.

      • Cid Campeador

        I used to wonder why the Church didn’t encourage us to read the OT. I finally got the message.
        The Christians could have used the OT God while they were being raped, and beheaded.
        I can’t stop wondering where God was while Channon and Christopher were being sexually tortured and horribly murdered.

      • Francis Miville

        Long bygone foe races and countries mentioned in the Torah, such as of Canaan, actually mean classes of sinners, and the task of putting down physically these wrongdoers is eternal and for all the world to be taught the true faith. Traditionally, both Jews and Christians, and Christian even more than Jews, make an eternal command of the subjection of Canaan by enslavement and genocide of those who don’t submit, understanding that the seven tribes to be put down are the classes of committers of the seven deadly sins (lust, greed, pride…). Contrary to the easy claim of non-violence made by the late Christians who clung to a purely symbolical interpretation to be applied to personal interior life only (a tradition mostly dating from the 15th century Flemish mystics), the early and classical Christians did not consider the conquest of Canaan from being over for good and made null by the New Testament, in contrast with the Jews’ clinging to a mere historical, material and political interpretation. They rather rebuked Jews for having cowardly and self-interestedly abandoned the duty to massacre certain peoples and categories of wrongdoers (like for instance the dancers or the theatre actors : they made no qualms about stating that some peoples like the negroes were genetically predestined to commit some wrongdoings) as a bygone one, or worse still, to let them live and go on committing their wrongdoings in return for big bribes and profits, like by levying taxes on alcohol, financing theatres and operating prostitution networks. The duty of enslaving Blacks and other humans deemed genetically sinful under pain of death as per many biblical passages was central Catholic dogma up to after the American Civil War (the Church was clearly pro-South), up to 1870, and all references to it were erased only with Vatican II Council.

        • Terence57

          The New Testament does not teach subjugation or murder. It absolutely does not. Sophistry led them there. There is no sophist interpretation of the koran needed to prove that it is in opposition to New Testament teaching.

    • Lion’s Mane

      “Nowhere does the New Testament advocate violence to win conversions, or keep the wavering to leave the faith.”

      True. But the Christian Church seized political power and real estate and fell into that trap. If you believe that people’s immortal souls are at stake, you’re open to committing heinous crimes to keep them on the straight and narrow path. What to do with heretics? Both Catholics and Protestants alike found it acceptable to burn them at the stake.

      The problem with Christianity is that its a system that stresses Correct Belief over virtue — Right Doctrine and Creeds more than Noble Deeds. In this, it is like the modern political ideology of Liberalism — which it indirectly helped create.

      • [Guest]

        How can burning someone at the stake be an indictment of Christianity when Christianity does not instruct Christians to burn anyone at the stake?

        The barbarous acts of Islam, however, are in keeping with “the religion of peace” and therefore are an indictment of that religion.

        To fail to make this distinction is to step into a snare laid by the jihadists’ apologists.

        • Guest

          It’s an indictment of Christianity because of the fact that Christians practiced it in the name of their religion for many centuries until secular men passed laws to force it to stop. Christians, like all others, should be judged by what they actually DO, rather than just by what the profess to believe. Moreover, the Old Testament says that “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” I am confident that there are Christians today who would burn heretics and witches at the stake if they could get away with it. There is no supernatural power in the belief system — or these atrocities could never have happened.

          But I do agree with you that Islam openly advocates murderous practices and can be all the more severely condemned.

          • [Guest]

            When someone does something that is wrong and that violates Christianity, that is not a mark against Christianity. If anything, it’s the opposite.

            And if a “secular man” commits the same wrong, can his wrongdoing be justly used to condemn secularism?

          • Guest

            There is some truth in your position. Certainly, many people often do behave in stark and stunning contradiction to their professed beliefs. This, in itself, does not necessarily discredit those beliefs.

            The suggestion that hypocritical behavior reinforces the validity or confirms the truth of any given belief system is a point that does not follow.

          • [Guest]

            Thank you for your response. If I understand you correctly, you agree that there is “some truth” to this:

            When someone does something that is wrong and that violates Christianity, that is not a mark against Christianity.

            But you consider this false:

            If anything, it’s the opposite.

            Just to be clear, I mean that if a given act is wrong according to a particular belief system, that belief system is in no way discredited because someone commits the act. Contrariwise, the message would be that someone needs to be more diligent in abiding by the system.

          • SFLBIB

            “This, in itself, does not necessarily discredit those beliefs.”

            I would say that it almost never does, for how can hypocrisy validate a belief to be true?

          • SFLBIB

            Good observation. Let me help you out with your last statement. If there is no God, as atheism maintains, then WHO [or what] is responsible for all these deaths ?

            hawaii. edu/powerkills/NOTE1. HTM

          • Neuday

            Here’s what CS Lewis had to say about burning witches in Mere Christianity:

            “But surely the reason we do not execute witches is that we do not believe there are such things. If we did — if we really thought that there were people going around who had sold themselves to the devil and received supernatural powers from him in return and were using these powers to kill their neighbors or drive them mad or bring bad weather, surely we would all agree that if anyone deserved the death penalty, then these filthy quislings did.”

          • Guest

            Yes, but Christians, not long before CS Lewis wrote this, did widely believe such things. Surely John Calvin burned ‘witches’ at the stake — men as well as women. I don’t see who Lewis’ statement can stand the Bible test, since the Bible does state that witches exist in Exodus 22:18.

          • Guest

            I don’t take witchcraft seriously. But the Bible clearly does. Look at Deuteronomy 18:10 —

            Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, [. . .]

            Calvin and the Churches once took these lines very seriously.

          • SFLBIB

            “Christians, like all others, should be judged by what they actually DO,…”

            Did Jesus burn anyone at the stake? NO. Did Mohammed murder anyone? YES.

          • Westphilo

            You cannot critise Christianity for actions that it does not support. Sinners will always exist because man is imperfect. To judge a religion on the misdeeds of its members, is illogical. Judge a religion on what it preaches and how it’s members act.
            Christianity preaches love, good works and individual, voluntary salvation. And violence is only acceptable is self defense, i.e. a just
            war. Our Universities, hospitals, charities, concept of individual rights, etc. all came from Christianity.
            Islam preaches war, subjugation , armed conquest, etc.and it’s history supports this. How do you think the predominantly Christian Middle East and North Africa became Moslem? By armed conquest.

        • Cid Campeador

          Can someone tell me when this concept of Islam being a “religion of Peace” become popular? Was it post 911?

          • [Guest]

            I don’t recall having heard Muhammadism called “the religion of peace” until just after Muhammadans struck on 9-11.

          • Cid Campeador

            YOu’re spot on! Bush started that and he really pissed me off! He went to a NY Mosque to kiss up and play nice. These “people” don’t play “nice”. Their philosophy is to lie to the Infidel. Speak the words that he/she wants to hear until he lets down his guard. Then you cut his/ her throat.

      • JohnEngelman

        Conservatives can also be hypocritical. They claim to favor balanced budgets, but like to cut taxes while raising military spending.

        • Cid Campeador

          Well John, In todays world were it not for those nasty conservatives pushing for military spending most of us would be already dead.
          Somewhere around 49% of US population are on some kind of government assistance. Of that percentage there is a segment who really needs it.
          This government has decimated the armed forces just as it intends to disarm the civilian population thereby leaving us to the beasts both foreign and domestic.

          • JohnEngelman

            Any argument in favor of “a strong national defense” is an argument in favor of high taxes to pay for it. We spend nearly as much on our military as the rest of the world combined.

  • MekongDelta69

    What it says:
    “These apologists, of course, which now include President Obama, are motivated by a desire to avoid criticizing religion at all costs–especially Islam.”

    What it should say:
    “These apologists, of course, which now include President Obama, are motivated by a desire to criticize all religions–but not Islam.”

  • JohnEngelman

    Secular liberals are quick to condemn the religious right for offenses much milder than those they forgive in Islam.

    • RyanP

      I am an atheist and I agree. The degree to which the left will vilify the Christian right while excusing Islam is mind blowing.

    • Conrad

      The is a reason for this. See the lectures by Walter Veith on You tube.

      • JohnEngelman

        Please explain the reason in your own words.

        • Conrad

          Walter Veith offers explanations for the issues surrounding Islam & the history of Christianity’s seeming confusion in answers to some of the above questions & comments.

    • Garrett Brown

      That’s because they are anti Christian, not Atheists.

      • JohnEngelman

        I am confident that they are atheists, but they are atheists who for reasons of their own dislike Western civilization, and want to blame it for the ills of the world.

    • Lion’s Mane

      This most likely is because they simply blindly and passionately hate Western Civilization and only wish to destroy it — including its dominant religion. The Christian religion is under attack from the Left, not in itself, but because it once ruled in Western lands. Liberalism is another way of spelling R E V E N G E.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Demented secular liberals see everything through the prism of the black civil rights movement: to wit, the muslims are the good, morally superior blacks, and the religious right and the israelis are the evil white oppressors.

      • JohnEngelman

        Western civilization nurtured the left. While living in London Karl Marx was never harassed by the police. He had free access to the Reading Room of the British Museum in order to do his research.

        The European empires were the most benign in history. I am including the Macedonian Empire, the Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire, while of course excluding the Third Reich.

        • Cid Campeador

          I might disagree with the Roman Empire. Their forms of “entertainment” were dubious at best.

  • DaveMed

    Well, if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Inquisition was not Catholic…
    _________________________________________________________

    Bad comparison. ISIS’s activities jive far better with the Koran than the Crusades did with Christianity.

    They are not parallel or equivalent movements in any way. One was political aspirations by the Church run amok. The other is fundamental to Islam.

    • ElComadreja

      A point lost on most.

    • Bobbala

      He said Catholic, not Christian. Christians were the victims.

      • DaveMed

        Ah, you are correct. My mistake.

    • Bantu_Education

      The crusades in the Levant were totally justified, and they had nothing to do with the inquisition which they pre-dated. On the other hand the crusade against the Cathars in S.France was was the beginning of the inquisition.

      • The Verdict of History

        The Crusades were an inevitable counter-offensive after centuries of Muslim Arab and Turk aggression.

        They were less bloody than were the Ottoman assaults on Southeastern European communities and peoples.

        • Franklin_Ryckaert

          No, the Crusades were not a counter-offensive against Muslim aggression. If that were true they would have been fought in Spain and not in Palestine. The Crusades were fought entirely for religious reasons : to make the journey to the Holy Land save for Christian pelgrims. BTW Turkish aggression in the Balkans came after the Crusades.

          • Garrett Brown

            You do realize there were many Jihads called on Europe before the actual Crusades right?

          • Cid Campeador

            WE’re well aware!

          • The Verdict of History

            The Re-conquest was ideologically conceived of as part of a broader counter-campaign, and Crusader ideologues, and a number of Holy Orders, employed Crusader concepts and justifications in their attacks against the Moors in Spain during the High Middle Ages (1000-1300).

            Cite:

            O’Callaghan, Joseph F. (2003). Reconquest and Crusade in Medieval Spain. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 18. ISBN 0812236963. Retrieved August 26, 2012.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Still, that doesn’t make the Crusades in Palestine a counter-offensive against Muslim aggression in Europe. They were fought entirely for religious (or if you will “superstitious” ) reasons. One has only to think of the Children’s Crusade to realize how irrational they were.

          • Heinrich Salian

            The children’s crusade is a myth.

          • The Verdict of History

            The Crusades were conceived as a counter-offensive to Muslim aggression, especially by Pope Urban the II who framed the initial offensive against the Seljuk Turks.

            Asbridge 2004, p. 15.

          • The Verdict of History

            Other common motives are offered up as an explanation for the Crusades.

            The crusades were partially motivated by territorial ambitions of the landowning class and knights.

            The Popes also wanted to discharge the excess supply of knights in Europe.

          • Bantu_Education

            Sorry but you are wrong – the crusades were a counter-offensive against Muslim aggression and expansion. After the Byzantine defeat at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071, the Turks swarmed into and occupied Christian Anatolia. The Byzantines were not strong enough to repel them so they pleaded for help from the Catholic West, which eventually came 25 years later in the form of the 1st crusade.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            So why not conquer Turkey in stead of Palestine?

          • Bantu_Education

            They decided to kill 2 birds with one stone, and they succeeded in doing so, at least for 100 years.

          • SFLBIB

            “…If that were true they would have been fought in Spain…”

            They WERE fought in Spain. The Moors were driven out in 1492, after 700 years of conflict with Christians. See the “Progress of the Reconquista” map at en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Moors

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            The Crusades were a pan-European endeavor, the Reconquista was a local Spanish endeavor, not supported by “international brigades” from the rest of Europe.

          • SFLBIB

            Whatever you want to call them, they were a response to Muslim aggression.

      • kikz2

        irrespective of the timeline…….you think sending children to fight a crusade is just? blinkblink?
        …..nothing to do w/the Inquisition(s)?????? just whom do think ordered those crusades?

        the killing of heritics by the Church started much earlier.. 4/5th Centuries under Constantine. Hypatia of Alexandria is one such (later) notable.

        • saxonsun

          Thanks for the mention of Hypatia. She was murdered for being a learned Pagan woman. The church was bent on rooting out feminine influence.

        • Cid Campeador

          Those centuries are long past. THere’s no productive point in historically chastising we the Christians nor is there in blaming all American Whites for slavery .

          • kikz2

            sure there is… to prevent such atrocities from ever being committed again.. especially…. in the name of God.

            i have no idea why you brought slavery into your comment, as your sentiment is not something i’d ever be idiot enough to utter.

          • Cid Campeador

            My point about slavery deals with the historical guilt being cast upon American Whites, the vast majority of whom had no kinship with the Slave owners. MY ancestors came to this country in the closing years of the 19th century.
            Let’s debate and disagree without being rude. Implying that someone an idiot is I would have hoped, beneath you.

    • Cid Campeador

      Agreed! The Inquisition is another example of temporary insanity as was the NSDAP movement in Germany.
      Christianity with few exceptions has risen above that.

  • Easyrhino

    And that young lady standing on the corner in a plastic microskirt, six inch Lucite shoes and a tube top two sizes too small is NOT a prostitute!

    • IstvanIN

      She’s waiting for the bus!

      • Spikeygrrl

        She’s waiting for the bus to take her to Da Cluuuuub where she will grind up against men she has never met before, drink to OTT excess, and eventually wander back out to the street where she will be robbed, raped, or otherwise physically assaulted. Then she’ll whinge for YEARS about how women should have the “right” to dress however they want to and behave like they want to, anywhere and anytime they want to.

        The same is true on the international scale: Behave like an imbecile or a bully if you must, but don’t act surprised when you get treated like one.

      • Cid Campeador

        Or she could be an extra in a movie shoot.

  • LHathaway

    “Morality itself is neither objectively true nor false, but at bottom rests on subjective preferences”

    Morality rests on fear of a higher authority.

    • kikz2

      bs……. …. morality existed long before any sky daddy who practices annhiliation for transgressions……

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        To me, Morality is nothing more than Empathy.

        Would you sleep with a woman that slept with 100 men? Then don’t sleep with 100 woman.

        Would you want your wife to cheat on you? Then don’t cheat on her.

        Would you want someone to kill you? Then don’t kill someone else.

        .

        • LHathaway

          So you admit! You behave in a moral manner out of fear something bad may happen to you. . .

          • kikz2

            ‘higher authority’ does not equal being able to discern probable and logical consequences of actions.

            you confuse superstition with the properly matured functioning of frontal lobes.

            eyeroll…..

          • Anglokraut

            I give this all my likes.
            If the only thing keeping a person from raping, robbing, murdering, etc. is fear of divine punishment, such a person needs psychological intervention, not kudos for being so “God-fearing”.

    • Spikeygrrl

      Unfortunately, usually an imaginary one.

  • Dave4088

    Coyne is incorrect that criticizing religion is political suicide. Political leftists bash Christianity and elements of it all the time without repercussion or retaliation. It is only suicide if a white person criticizes a religion practiced by non-whites, such as that practiced by Arabs or Jews. As such, if you criticize Islam you are an Islamophobe and a racist and if you dare criticize Jews or Judaism you are a wicked anti-semite.

    • Puggg

      Muslims fight back and do terrorism. That’s one reason why a lot of people are scared to criticize them.

      • Bantu_Education

        Islam cannot survive any close scrutiny or freedom of debate – anyone who dares question or criticise it must be silenced or Islam itself will collapse. Muslims know this instinctively.

        • JohnEngelman

          Islam is a religion that bases its entire authority on the word of honor of one man. Muhammad came before the Arab people with the Koran and said, “This was dictated to me by the Angel Gabriel. Trust me. It really was.”

          By contrast, the Bible was written by a large number of men, and perhaps a few women, over a period of about 1,400 years. If the whole thing is a hoax, you have to imagine a conspiracy lasting that long.

          As the result of the religion he founded Muhammad became the wealthy ruler of the Arabian Peninsula, and the possessor of a harem of lovely young ladies.

          As a result of the religion He founded, Jesus was flogged and crucified.

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            “As a result of the religion He founded, Jesus was flogged and crucified.”

            He was flogged because the jews wanted him flogged. The Romans didn’t want to do it, but they gave the jews a choice between Jesus and that other guy (whats his name). The jews chose the other guy.

            As a result of the country whites founded (USA), they are being flogged and crucified by non-whites because the same people that wanted Jesus flogged wants whites flogged.

            .

          • JohnEngelman

            Crucifixion was a Roman form of capital punishment. Flogging before crucifixion was a standard Roman preliminary.

        • LHathaway

          haha, you’re comparing Islam with our liberal rulers.

          • captainc

            there is something to emulate with Muhammad, Might is Right.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        I am not afraid to criticize Muslims, but I have been terrorized by more white Christian patriots and jews than Muslims. Aparently Chrisitans and jews don’t like it when someone doesn’t believe in the same superstitions, or hoaxes, as they do. There is a lot of pride in being seen as the perpetual victim and the super hero rescuer.

    • Kay

      As of late, I don’t even think being non-white can protect you from progressive backlash for criticizing Islam anymore. Take, for instance, the tantrum at Yale where Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali was invited to speak tonight. Being Somali, a woman, a victim and opponent of female mutilation, and an atheist didn’t stop the Yale African Students Association, Yale Women’s Center and Yale Humanist Committee, among others, from calling for her dis-invitation.

    • saxonsun

      good post.

  • Anglokraut

    If God listened to the prayers of men,
    all men would quickly have perished: for they are forever praying for
    evil against one another.

    Epicurus

    • dd121

      If you haven’t you haven’t read it you might find The Swerve by Greenblatt interesting. It’s the story of 15th century humanist Poggio who discovered and saved one of (or maybe the) the last manuscript copy of the first century Roman writer Lucretius, On the Nature of things. It sort of sparked an intellectual revolution during the Renaissance.

      • saxonsun

        An excellent book.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    If ISIS is Islamic and Inquisition was Catholic, then the Reign of Terror/Soviet Revolution/Maoist movement were all atheistic.

    Fine trade off by me, Jerry.

    • IstvanIN

      The Reign of Terror and Maoism were certainly atheistic and dedicated to destroying the traditional order and culture.

  • ElComadreja

    Quite the contrary. They are the truest most exemplary followers of Islam.

    • Bobbala

      … at least they are honest. They can be at that point. The “British, Australian and American citizens” don’t have that luxury yet.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Saying that one form of Islam is or is not “true” is just a form of racism in which Westerners (read “Whites”) seek to impose their morality and value system on other races and cultures.

    It’s kind of like when Whites go into Africa and try to teach the natives not to practice witchcraft or other primitive and barbaric religions. How racist of Whites is it to have the utter gall to presume to say what forms of religion are and are not valid and true?

  • The Verdict of History

    Islamic State is much closer to the original warrior spirit Islam than was the Inquisition to the original pacifist (and practically loony-tune) spirit of Christianity.

    Christianity, despite all its delusions, doesn’t openly advocate wholesale murder of people’s who don’t convert to the cult.

    One would have to seriously take the New Testament scripture out of context to find legitimation for something like the Inquisition.

    On the other hand…

    The Koran exhorts readers, in open ended commitment, to murder unbelievers.

    Anyone who denies this is either a liar or a fool.

    • IstvanIN

      Anyone who denies this is either a liar or a fool.
      And in the case of Joe Biden, both.

    • kikz2

      Christianity, despite all its delusions, doesn’t openly advocate wholesale murder of people’s who don’t convert to the cult.

      not anymore.. however, if they could they would…..don’t doubt it for a NY second.

      • Alexandra1973

        Catholicism isn’t Christianity, never was, never will be.

        • Garrett Brown

          Catholicism technically IS Christianity. The OG, if you will.

        • HE2

          Alexandra, Catholicism is a Christian faith.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          Protestants and Lutherans and others “Christians” branched off the Catholic church.

          It is like claiming your great grandparents aren’t like you.

          .

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Each sect of Christianity considers itself as the “true form” of the faith while all others as wrong. It’s the same with other religions.

          • kikz2

            i’m not too terribly happy w/either cathol or lutheran at present.. they seem to be working overtime to import illegals into the US…. you can kind of understand the catholics doing this.. more bodies = more $.. but lutherans? makes no sense…

          • Bobbala

            The Christians stayed with the Bible … the Catholics left it behind. Come back to the LORD. Leave the false gods.

            Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

          • Cid Campeador

            Are you denying the Divinity of Jesus?????!!!!!!
            Guards seize him! He is an apostate and must be thrown into the arms of the “Iron Maiden”!!!!!!!
            Thus are the Orders of Friar Tomás de Torquemada!!!!

        • kikz2

          having grown up familiar with the protestant side of the coin, i’d agree, however, my vague understanding is that Catholicism is normatively considered ‘Christian’, and the forerunner of all other Judeo-Xtian sects.

        • saxonsun

          They believe in Jesus Christ. That makes them Christians. Case closed.

      • HE2

        @kikz: But what Christianity guarantees the nonbeliever in the afterlife is horrific.
        As I said, for the infidel, Islam vs Christianity is a matter of diabolical punishment now or later. Take your pick.

        • kikz2

          no thanks, i’m a deist, i don’t do God originated hell. 🙂

          it is illogical to ASSume that the Creator of All would be so archonistically psychotic and egotistical as to condem its children to something like an eternal hell… for our ‘disbelief’…. like Sagan said, that is a small god.

          What kind of Father threatens and tortures his children for eternity? not a god i want anything to do with. as i’ve said before allah and yawheh can both kiss my ass.

          i prefer Jefferson and Paine’s “Nature’s God”. 🙂

          what visions of hell were put into your mind by God as oppossed to man? the only point of origination for any hell, is from the heart and through the hand of man. look around you…who commits evil? who fosters hell on Earth? man does.. through his ill considered use of Freewill and blames it on a Lucifer. how pathetic.

          • HE2

            @kikz: Actually, we agree.
            I, too, do NOT believe there is a deity who created heaven or hell, nor do I believe an element of magical thinking is required for a being to live an ethical, moral life of nonharm.
            The threat of a punitive deity has nothing to do with my understanding that actions equal consequences.
            It is common sense.

          • kikz2

            sorry, i misunderstood your frame of reference….:D that’s just my standard answer to any adherent of a dogmatic religion 🙂 especially the ‘big three’.

          • captainc

            How do you explain Satan, Devils, Ghosts?

          • kikz2

            i have no empirical proof that devils or ghosts exist, nor do i have any empirical proof that Satan/Lucifer/The Devil exists…

            if Satan/Lucifer does exist… he works for God. If he doesn’t.. Whom/what you generally refer to as.. God, Creator of All….isn’t.

    • HE2

      @Verdict:Christianity, despite all its delusions, doesn’t openly advocate wholesale murder of people’s who don’t convert to the cult.
      As a recovered Christian who still remembers her scriptures, allow me to nitpick on this one, Verdict.
      Christian dogma promises, backed unequivocally by N.T. scripture, that one’s soul will burn eternally in a lake of fire and be subjected to the “worm that never dies,” if Yeshua is not accepted as the only begotten son of Yahweh. In other words, anyone who refuses to accept and embrace Yeshua as messiah is no longer put to the sword, but doomed to eternal torture after death. This is true of “backsliders” as well, unless one is a rock ribbed Calvinist “once in grace, always in grace” baptized by dunking adherent.
      Nowadays, we have Islamic hadiths commanding Muslim adherents to inflict immediate torture and death by beheading to nonbelievers or unrepentant, lapsed apostates.
      Moderate Muslims tell us homicidal Jihadists are not “true Muslims.”
      Christian liberals tell us eternal hellfire literalist Christians are “off the deep end” and need to get with the times.
      Literalists claim Christianity currently preached in main stream churches is not “true Christianity,” that the scriptures on this matter are the infallible word of Yahweh.
      Who are the “true Christians?” Who are the true Muslims? According to my Bible and the Islamic hadiths, if one believes what is written, literalists are. Both have in common the denial of the other’s interpretations.
      What terrible choices. Torture and death now. Or, eternally in the after-life.
      Which do we prefer? I choose neither, but am not a militant disbeliever.

      • OS-Q

        Christians usually wait for god to punish unbelievers, Muslims don’t.

        • captainc

          Muslims are proactive.

        • HE2

          Christians usually wait for god to punish unbelievers, Muslims don’t.
          Exactly. The bottom line remains as you so stated. Torture now, or later.
          I sincerely hope, and with due respect for non-harming believers, that humankind will evolve out of the need to cling to ideas that date back to a long gone era when mankind feared the inexplicable.

        • Francis Miville

          Since Saint Paul and as epitomized by Saint Augustine, The Christians rather prefer to side with the rich and powerful most inclined to heed their recommendation to punish those they categorize as heretics or wrong-doers.

  • John Smith

    It’s funny. We often quibble about “radical” Islam.

    Yet everywhere in Europe, they hold violent rallies with signs like “Death to those who insult Islam”, “We will conquer your continent”, “We will take your women”, etc.

    It does explicitly state in the koran that the penalty for apostasy is death.

    I would be curious if there is even ONE place on earth populated by a large presence of muslims (or governed by muslims) that is so called “moderate” desirable to live in.

    I honestly cannot state for sure, but I would venture a guess that EVERY one of these places populated by a large presence of muslims (or governed by muslims) is an absolute hell hole to live in – even for muslim females.

    But this insidious cancer is being allowed to spread in Western countries where muslims are now asking for sharia law.

    • IstvanIN

      The Shah was a moderate Muslim who wanted to bring his nation into the 20th century, and we know what happened to him. President Assad is actually the good guy in Syria. The only reason Egypt and Turkey haven’t gone “Islamic” is because of their militaries. I am amazed that King Abdullah manages to keep Jordon relatively peaceful.

      • Bobbala

        Sadat made peace with Israel. It cost him his life. They give the “Peace Prize” to Arafat and Obama.

    • Bobbala

      The “moderate” muslim is the #1 target of the jihad. I’m sure there are hundreds of millions of muslims that would love to live peacefully but not at risk of their lives from the tens of millions that would not tolerate them. Peace is hazardous to a muslims health.

      • Garrett Brown

        If you’re a peaceful Muslim you are not following your religious doctrine. Therefor you are blasphemous and a hypocrite.

        • captainc

          Muslims are peaceful when they have subdued the infidels. Every few years Ottoman Sultans must make invasive campaigns or lose his power under Sharia Law.

    • Bantu_Education

      I suppose one could say that Turkey, or at least the Western Mediterranean part, would be a reasonable place in which to live. Wine and beer and raki, etc, are widely available and you can drink openly in public, at least in the tourist areas of which there are many.

    • kikz2

      allah and yahweh can both kiss my ass……tiny little hateful psychopathic gods….

      • captainc

        Before Muhammad, there was Moses. they both look up to each other.

        • kikz2

          so? it’s collusion among partners in crime against humanity.

          its the same control point… submit/worship/do what ‘we’ say God says or you die now…… and/or spend eternity in writhing pain……..

          no thanks… it’s a false premise. i could give a rip what either say of their tiny mysogynistic psychotic gods… neither are my people…. i have no discernible semetic blood. those dogmas don’t apply to me, nor do their gods. simple as that…. if i’m wrong.. whom else does it injure?

    • LHathaway

      “It does explicitly state in the koran that the penalty for apostasy is death”.

      That might not be good at all for some of those who have posted comments here. . .

      • [Guest]

        Isn’t an apostate someone who once professed Muhammadism but later turned from it? If so, it’s someone like Barack Hussein Obama who would have something to fear.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Nope. He will go down in Muslim history for The Audacity of Taqiyya at the literally worldwide level.

        • LHathaway

          If I knew that, I forgot. I just took it as another word for infidel. TY. Maybe your joke was a little strong. It was a good one, though.

    • captainc

      Hadiths have some contradictory punishments with the Quran, it is like Talmud and Torah. It is because Hadiths have similar story of collection like the Bible but with more stringent conditions.

  • B.A_2014

    I have to give the faces of atheism (the Hitch, Dawkins and Harris) credit. Their motivations are Not my own but at least they speak theirminds on Islam. Their liberal followers aren’t quiet so brave.

    • Spikeygrrl

      But many of their conservative followers are.

  • dd121

    Liberals are planning our destruction in a 1,000 different ways and are not shy about lying to achieve that goal.

  • Jimmy Joseph

    ISIS represents the Sunni form of Islam.

    The leader of ISIS has a PHD in Islamic studies from Cairo, Egypt.

    I think he knows a little bit about Islam considering he has a PHD.

    ISIS= represents the true portion of Sunni Islam
    Iran= represents Shia Islam

    Very simple.

    • B.A_2014

      At least under sharia criminals are punished, women aren’t treated as infallible angels and degeneracy is stomped out!

      • IstvanIN

        Sharia should not be something a civilized man looks upon as a positive.

        • B.A_2014

          Nor should a society based on liberal democratic principles that glorifies whores and degenerate behaviour be seen as a positive. If I had the choice between a sweden like white utopia or a white society governed by the sharia I know which one I would choose.

          • IstvanIN

            I would chose the Swedish (real Swedish) model. I value freedom, fair play, and modern, liberal scoiety which is why, among other reasons, I do not wish to be subsumed by the gathering hordes.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            I have to agree to an extent.

            It is clear that traditional Islamic societies will dominate the feminized weak Western world.

            Scary times.

          • Francis Miville

            Embrace Judaism : they at least know what to do with their Muslim Hordes as in Gaza. Radical Hinduism is a good second choice to scare off the muzzling ones.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Traditional Judaism of Biblical times would work.

            Current day Judaism is a joke (much like Christianity).

            It is feminized and self destructive.

            A lot of White Nationalists see a “conspiracy” about the Jews causing feminism (which of course lets their own women off the hook conveniently).

            However, the Jews are dying off from feminism too. They have a high intermarriage rate and low birth rates in America.

            Ergo, I see Jewish liberals being fools who are destroying themselves as well. They seem to believe some multicultural utopia will be “better”, which is absurd. They are implementing self destructive policies. They are as dumb as the White liberals who are also self destructive.

            They will consider rich white elites and will be attacked by the black/brown hordes.

      • kikz2

        y, and the ismaili sect think tsunami’s are retribution for evil… eyeroll……

      • captainc

        I agree, there are good things about Sharia, but once the political clerics blast you for not radical enough, your ways to make Sharia more palatable would be in trouble.

        These clerics are politicians, ready to rouse the masses, unless the masses are educated, they cause no harm.

        • B.A_2014

          I do think people are a bit confused regarding my position on the sharia. I should just state that it is my belief that an all white society with a sharia like code (a supremacists, patriarchal, imperialist and seperatist ideology) designed for the betterment of the race collectively is much more preferable than a dysgenic, quasi feminist, rights obsessed multiracial sewer. I will have no intention to live under the heel of the brown man. As for those that say they value their freedom, I say freedom is subjective and the freedom of the individual at times is damaging to the state. Freedom to bear arms, freedom of religion, right to privacy etc are not a threat to the state. Freedom to procreate recklessly at the expense of the state, freedom to use marriage as a racket, freedom to sell and take drugs, to consume and enslave your fellow citizen through usury are freedoms but freedoms no decent ruling class would permit.

          • kikz2

            again.. false premise….. the choice is sharia law or the chaos we have now? oh, respectfully piss off…..

      • kikz2

        then go live in a sharia run country. it’s not going to be this one.

    • kikz2

      the sunni used to be.. used to be the moderates……. the shia were the nut jobs.. technically.. i think they’re all nutters……

      • captainc

        the wars in Afghanistan did this, and also the eternal Palestianian and Israeli conflict. Also, the Iranian revolution put a pause on secularization of Muslim countries.

    • Alexandra1973

      I think one sect of Islam recognizes the pope as a holy man, the other does not. It was explained to me a while back by a friend of mine.

      Either way, Islam was cooked up by Augustinian monks. Muhammad (pigs be upon him) was their useful idiot.

  • [Guest]

    >>>Every faith justifies itself and its practices by appeal to authority, revelation, and dogma. There are just some religions we like better than others because of their practical consequences.

    The same can be said—but almost never is—of the supposedly irreligious, among whom are many devout multiculturalists; environmentalists; and warriors against sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Most of them push their doctrines with fundamentalist zeal and the kind of hypocrisy and self-righteousness they accuse the religious of exhibiting.

  • The article leaves out George W. Bush. Well, that piece of neocon crud does not get a pass from me. He called Islam the “religion of peace,” when in reality it’s the religion of pieces.

    I constantly read that ISIS was created and funded by the US and Israeli intelligence in order to have an enemy to justify the neocon wars in the region. The neocons created ISIS, and dumb sand peoples flocked to it, attracted to the extremism and heroism of it all. Some heroes they are. The existence of the group certainly came out of nowhere, which is supicious.

    The caliphate stretching throughout the middle east and into Europe is a shining vision of Muslim power and God’s blessing to these low IQ genetically defective peoples. Let them duke it out with each other, but leave traditionally white nations out of it.

    I just wish the white peoples of earth had a similar vision of a white civilization extending throughout the planet, blessed by God and willing to fight for the race. The white races have lost their passion, their drive, even the will to continue to exist. If the world belongs to the strong and passionate, our descendants will be mixed race Muslims. And that’s NOT a good thing.

    • dave

      Google “Elliot Shimon”,you will get alot of info of who is running ISIS. I’m sure you won’t be surprised.

    • The Verdict of History

      I typically am hesitant to revel other people’s suffering, but…

      I think it is better to let the savages slaughter each other while I eat popcorn and enjoy the blood-fest.

      Nothing like a party of maniacal clowns and medival carnival-barkers wiping each other out!

      They stay out of the West.

      And we should resist any of the clever schemes which the teary-eyed missionaries – liberal idealists, neocons – hope to ensnare us with.

      • captainc

        Let ISIS run amok in Middle East and terrozing Israel, the cause of all sorrows.

  • One of the most obvious things, which all statists conveniently ignore, is how there hasn’t been rest in the MENA since the creation of Israhell. Which was created to gain control of these three: 1. Suez Canal 2. Resources 3. War. Since the end of WW2 there has been nothing but strife since it’s end, I believe it’s about 300 mini wars now. All of which is just part of that cancer called Zionism whose root is a bunch of
    sociopathic Anglo-Europeans claiming rights to land that they hadn’t
    ever stepped foot on. To ensure a continued western military presence in the MENA the psychopaths of Mossad/CIA/MI6 drum up radical “terrorists” like Wahhabi/Salafi/ISIS as well as countless others. No one talks about Afghanistan anymore but we’re still there – I bet those soldiers are happy guarding the harvest of all that poppy.

    • Bantu_Education

      And what exactly are you smoking..?

      • Oh, I am so, not, sorry, with what evidently offended you. But, which part was it? The fact that your beloved state is intrinsically corrupt? Or was it the dis to your other beloved state Israhell? It’s not so easy to identify what you sycophants take issue with, as there are many.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    Complaining about Islam and the like is like complaining about flies, rodents, and other garbage that keeps coming into your house but not doing anything about the idiots who keeps leaving the door open and letting them in.

    .

    • Francis Miville

      It is like complaining about Ebola. You don’t fight Ebola with intellectual arguments as if it were some political and philosophical statement made by some about others (even though some Black Africans do so, considering it is part of the Zionist propaganda machine and should also be conjured by voodoo as any evil spell). You fight Ebola by stringent quarantine measures and hard medicine, and also by avoiding the peoples and races who will never conform to the strictest standards of personal and collective hygiene to be applied under military duress throughout the world lest humanity falls back in the times of Black Death.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Why would these amoral superstitious savages all consistently lie as to their motivation? If they say it’s about religion, it is about religion.

  • Roger Noah

    Peter Brimelow is right – we obsess about ISIS which, undoubtedly, is an evil entity. But the greater threat to the USA is the ensemble of gangster narco-states to the south that are hell bent on exporting their malaise to El Norte. Know where the real threat is! Mexico does the USA more harm than all of the Islamic nations, a hundred times multiplied. Little Guatemala does us more harm than Iran.

    • Francis Miville

      These narco states are right now considering taking sides with ISIS.

  • kikz2

    “How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and
    concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger
    than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead
    they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay
    that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the
    Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth
    reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.”


    Carl Sagan,

    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

    • Bobbala

      Sagan must have never read the Book of Job.

  • Luca

    The actions of ISIS are not motivated by religious ideology at all.. Islam is the religion of peace. Clearly their actions are the result of under-served neighborhoods, global warming, the effects of colonialism, inequality of wealth distribution, the war on women, poor access to abortion clinics, lack of school funding, voter ID laws, and of course, racism.

  • IstvanIN

    But they make sure to double down on the anti-White, ant-Christian comments so as to appear “racist”.

  • IstvanIN

    King Mohammed of Morocco is another amazing juggler.

  • [Guest]

    Coyne makes some good points but at the same time is playing a tiresomely familiar game.

    >>>…Apologists … claim that its [ISIS’s] depredations are due to something other than religious motivation. Those motivations, say the apologists, are political (usually Western colonialism that engenders resentment), cultural (societal tradition), or anything other than religion.

    Yes, and the fundamentalist atheist attributes all manner of evil to religion in general, as if wrongful acts by religious people were necessarily an indictment of all religion. But if the wrongdoing of so-called religious people—even when those wrongful acts are contrary to the religions to which the people who did the act profess to adhere—is a statement against all religion, then every wrongful act committed by a nonreligious person is equally a statement against irreligion.

    The absurdity of the position is further illustrated by the fact that if two people of
    different religions engage in behavior that is in keeping with the religion of one of them but in violation of the religion of the other, you could use either one as a weapon against all religion, depending upon which behavior you objected to. And if an irreligious person engaged in the same behavior, you could claim that the person’s beliefs conceding religion had no bearing on the issue.

  • [Guest]

    >>>…drawing a false equivalency between Islam and Christianity

    The target is “religious” people, with the definition of the term being very broad but not broad enough to include themselves. They might seek to save the world from global warming and zealously stick with the doctrines of that movement irrationally and legalistically, but they’re such self-righteous hypocrites that they’ve convinced themselves they’re too enlightened for religion.

    • SFLBIB

      I would say their target is “religion”.

  • IstvanIN

    Does it really matter why they do what they do? Perhaps they are just EVIL. And they should not be allowed to live with us.

  • Garrett Brown

    Muslims lands like Turkey? *troll face*

  • Lion’s Mane

    I am glad to see, for once, an academic criticise Political Correctness. Obama’s assertions are pure nonsense. It would be great if there were a deluge from the Left against his ‘Islam is good’ position — but the Left will never resort to common sense.

  • Bantu_Education

    10% of Moroccans are Jewish? You’re living in 1947 right?? The Moroccans I have experienced are infuriatingly and nastily aggressive – give me Egyptians any day, also mostly infuriating but at least they usually know when to stop the pestering and have a sense of humour.

    • kikz2

      saw some program on PBS Sunday night.. on Morroccans… the males let their women work, then take their money……and laze about, won’t even sweep or do chores inside the home… as they’d be seen a laughing stock among the men…

      one said to his wife, paraphrase “women are scared of men beating them.. and we should beat them as this is how we maintain control and get what we want.” …….. the woman admitted women were doomed… under Islam.

      i had the acquaintence of an Egyptian.. back in the 80’s when I was in uni the first time…he did have a lighthearted humor about him.. other than he was deathly afraid of his father.. . the Egyptian was ‘partying’ at school….until his Daddy came to visit, when he’d wrecked his expensive car. 🙂

    • captainc

      Like Europeans, which one is the most humorous? Polish?

  • Mrfinoni

    Fairly decent article considering! The ‘mandatory’ linking of Christianity with Old Testament Theology is of course wholly inaccurate and I would argue unnecessary. The Jesus of the Gospels abrogated the Old Law, replacing it with the Golden Rule of loving ones neighbor. Of course to get printed there was the obligatory swipe at Christianity.

  • NoMosqueHere

    A christian who commits atrocities in the name of Christianity is acting in opposition to the teachings and life of Christ; a muslim who commits atrocities in the name of Islam is acting in accordance with the teachings and life of Mohammed.

    This is why so many blacks are attracted to Islam. It confirms their violent tendencies and desire for violent revenge.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      Yes, and that is also the reason why Islam wins so many converts in jails.

  • SFLBIB

    Maybe it’s because of 1,400 years of “cousin marriage” isteve. com/cousin_marriage_conundrum. htm.

  • JohnEngelman

    As is frequently the case with an article or book of this nature, the author is covering himself in order to remain on the invite lists of dinner parties in Georgetown, Cambridge, the upper east side of Manhattan, and other fashionable locations.

  • ATBOTL

    The concept of the “Inquisition” as we know it originated as English political propaganda against Spain. It’s basically bullshit. England at the time routinely tortured and executed people for religious and political dissent.

    • kikz2

      yea, and i’m sure that Cathar genocide was an afternoon in the park as well.

  • Cid Campeador

    And that happened WHEN? Centuries ago!! This “historical guilt is Bulls–t!
    Read about what the Muslimin did to the Hindus and how many thousand of them that they put to the sword.

  • Paleoconn

    I prefer the name ISIL. I do not want these bastards to appropriate the name of an Egyptian goddess, perhaps the only civilization of worth to come out of Africa.

    • Cid Campeador

      I agree with you but hope that none of the Nation of Islam sees what you wrote. Remember that Blacks were exploring interstellar space and had great universities while Whites were still in the Paleolithic Age.
      Minister Farrakhan said so!
      Al Sharpton ticked off a list of of science achievements by Black Africans realized way before those Greek “homos” did anything.
      Was he ever called to task by the GLBT community?

      • Francis Miville

        Blacks still do interstellar travel as they get high smoking ganja or taking bath salts.

  • Cid Campeador

    Were the Turks “desperate” when they murdered around one million Armenians; kids included?
    They were not only Christians but the FIRST country to accept Jesus .

  • kikz2

    y, we sort of have the same problem in the states…. with certain classes of our population.

  • Francis Miville

    I can now speak and read classical Arabic, I perused the who Qur’an together with many hadiths and a few historical works of importance about the first and most meaningful period of Islam : what the Talibans have been doing, what the state of ISIS is doing right now is not an extreme and radical form of politicized Islam, it is Islam as it must be to be called so, pure and simple. Those who say the contrary like Obama are called the Hypocrites by Mohammed himself, there is one sura of that name where the Hypocrites he refers to are those who practice all the rituals and mystical disciplines of Islam without devoting their resources to military Jihad. Islam has nothing to do with peace (salaam). It is not even submission of oneself to God’s will, which concept is rather rendered by the related reflexive verb-noun Istislam. Islam is the purely active-factitive form of the same verb, meaning the submission of others, the submission to one’s God of peoples He delivers unto your hand.

    • Jimmy Joseph

      Correct.

      ISIS represents the true form of Sunni Islam.

  • Francis Miville

    Israhell as you put it should be colour-contrasted at various historical dates on a map not with the Jordanian territory it has been swallowing (while losing the Sinai it had conquered in 1967) but with the greater Arabic-speaking and more and more exclusively Muslim world all around, including the traditional Jewish-majority enclaves that used to comprise about 5-10% of the inhabitable territory of many states (Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia, Iraq) that have been even more conspicuously swallowed since long. The map should also, by various degrees of green from pale to dark (even though, like ISIS, I personally favour Black as the colour best representing Islam), show the progression of a more and more absolute reign of Arabic and radical Islam at the expense of so many other languages and religions. Israhell would then show off on the map as being so tiny a white sailboat lost in a sea of dark green, and just succeeding in avoiding being sunk. The problem with Zionism is not the territory but the media presence, they take a far too great percentage of world news.

    • Jimmy Joseph

      Israel has a small country, The Arabs have plenty of land to live in peaceful coexistence.

      The problem is Islam doesn’t believe in “peaceful coexistence” with any other religions. Something Christians have been learning again.

      As for “controlling world news”, thats ridiculous.

      The Jews who run the news are mostly anti-Israel. Have you been watching the coverage on CNN, BBC, etc?

      They appear as anti-Israel as they are anti-White.

      They make the conflict appear between the “White” Jewish state (apartheid) versus poor Brown people (Palestinians)

      Whenever there is a conflict between White and Brown, the media will side with Brown.

      • Francis Miville

        Exactly, the liberal media as we know them are far more anti-white than they are pro-Jewish, even the richest and best-connected of Jews in both Israel and the US can lose it all if he dare put something heretical according to the PC dogma as regards Black stray animals. The Jews that happen to occupy so many privileged functions and own so many shares in the media world behave exactly as the ordinary traitor whites, they just prove they are better prostitutes, not deciders, another proof of what I say being the world-renowned Tel Aviv gay pride that has nothing to do with anything Judaic or even traditionally Jewish in the pure secular sense. The media are pro-Jewish and ridiculously so only as regards the Jews who behave and submit to the nation-destroying agenda : those who do not and there are quite a few who among others just cannot stand the Blacks and never wished them onto their worst foes (quite a few would rather side with an antisemitic fascist state provided the real inferior beings are put into their place, provided also the real intellectual talent they have is rewarded rather than token minority status) are just ignored by the media, their presence goes unnoticed. It is not true Israel is doing its best together with the world Jewry to plunge the non-Jewish world into racial chaos, we all rather know they sided with white apartheid SA up to the last day when world public opinion made that stance impossible, we all rather know they tend to side with pro-white conservatives rather than with liberals in the browned-out third world countries generally (e.g. Morocco, Yemen). I was in Israel and I rather heard the contrary complain from both the common people and the army generals that it is a great pity such a great army of the recent past as the US has been recently ridden with so many Blacks so as to be more like a turd world one and have lost all its former qualities of heroism and genius in battle, racial chaos in the world is precisely what most Israelis feel is threatening the existence of their state, especially since the first fruit of such a chaos is most generally resentment against the talented who still manage and succeed, especially since the Blacks have always been known by them to be more antisemitic and paranoid than the Nazis ever were. I even heard the opinion that the greatest problem with the Arabs surrounding them is not even radical Islam, which fostered clean and prosperous empires in the past where the talented Jews thrived though under the constant threat of being beheaded for slight infractions, but their blood having been mixed with African genes and that is particularly true as regards Gaza if you carefully look at the faces and hear the Arabic-ebonics : most so-called Palestinians who live there actually came from anglo-egyptian Sudan as cheap farm labourers as the British were the first to build and operate the big Jaffa orange groves from 1850 onwards.

        • Jimmy Joseph

          Very accurate post.

          I forgot that Israel supported South African Whites after Europeans and Americans threw them under the bus.

          This shows that this problem is more of liberal White multiculturalism, feminism, etc. than a “Jewish conspiracy”.

          I see no difference than most White institutions (mainstream) versus Jewish groups like the ADL and SPLC.

          The Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, companies controlled by non Jewish Whites, etc act identical to the ADL.

          GM = non Jewish White ownership
          Apple = mostly non Jewish board and non Jewish CEO
          Ford = non Jewish
          Exxon = non Jewish

          I can think of countless others.

          Anyone claiming a “Jew” conspiracy, they need to show how these non Jewish institutions act any different than Whites.

          I see no evidence. Conservative Jews are demonized as bad as anyone.

          Look how Michael Savage is treated by Britain or the MSM.

  • Jimmy Joseph

    Maybe the “Palestinians” and other Arab countries should’ve stopped attacking Israel.

    When Arabs lose wars that they have started, they should expect to lose some land as well.

    Stop crying for the “Palestinians”. These people would cut your head off without a second thought.

    • kikz2

      how do you know the arabs started the war? like there was no genocidal cleansing of the locals by zionist jews shortly after they’d ‘landed’…. they still won’t declare borders some 60 years later.. and keep taking territory…………..do you not know any history at all or do you just get off on spouting propaganda you’ve been told or told to spout?

      poooor mistreated jews……dey neva did nuffinz…….

      put yourself in a palestinian’s place for one moment…. wouldn’t it piss you off if over half your territory and your people had you’d lived on for hundreds of years was given away to an invading people? your home? your fields? i’m sure you’d thank them for giving you and your family the opportunity to find other accommodations.. like hell you would.

      at some point in history, there should be a cut off for the ‘civilized’.. not to repeat the mistakes of the past… due to maturation/evolution….. it’s like Blacks, forever blaming someone else for their shortcomings………..it’s like someone in their 30’s blaming their parents because they are never on time for appointments.. after some time.. that crap excuse just doesn’t hold water……………………..i’m tired of all of them….. jews, pals, arabs..

      some days i just wish russia would green glass the entire area. the zionist jews wanted their homeland in the middle of arab world ….it the pals are such savages, how stupid does that make the jews? if their GAAAAD gave them that land, you’d think yahweh would have disintegrated all arabs in one beautiful poof of creator love for his children……….. let them reap the whirlwind. the only problem w/that is now they exercise their sampson option and take the rest of the world with them.. which is their intent, if they don’t get their way…..or who knows.. maybe even if they do.

      by the way, this thread is old, are you just running clean up to have the last word in favor of your team??? hmmmm? well you won’t do it by attaching yourself like some lamprey to my posts.

      • Jimmy Joseph

        Prove the assertion of systemic Zionist mass murder of Palestinians before the 1948 War.

        Also, didn’t the UN support the existence of Israel? Right after that, 6 or 7 Arab armies attacked Israel, thinking they were going to “throw them into the sea”.

        They didn’t claim Palestinian genocide as the reason at the time either. They didn’t have to because they thought the would win.

        The Palestinian genocide narrative came later after they lost.

  • SecularVoice

    Excellent article. Well said.

  • Terence57

    Okay, you’re not dealing w/ a full deck. The New Testament is as far away from the koran as I am from east LA. Jesus did not and does not teach violence. Violence has been done in his name. Muhammed taught, teaches violence. Violence is being waged according to his teaching.