Rand Paul Says There May Be Way Forward on Immigration

James R. Carroll, Courier-Journal, June 12, 2014

Despite the key role immigration appeared to play in the upset defeat Tuesday of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul insists Republicans and Congress must move ahead on reform.

“The status quo needs to change and the current situation is untenable,” Paul told reporters in a conference call Wednesday sponsored by the Partnership for a New Economy, a bipartisan group of local officials and business leaders pushing for changes to the nation’s immigration laws.

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He said he backs reform that would tie the security of the borders to the “normalization” of undocumented immigrants already in the country, as well as steps to ensure a realistic work visa program and safeguards against voting fraud.

The Senate has approved an immigration bill that differs from Paul’s proposals, but the House GOP is divided over whether to proceed with its own measure.

“If you want immigration reform, there has to be openness to compromise,” Paul said. “There still could be a pathway forward for immigration reform.”

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Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, who moderated Paul’s call with reporters and wants Congress to change immigration laws, also cautioned against interpreting Cantor’s defeat as a conservative rejection of reform.

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  • Puggg

    Clueless.

    But maybe this is the political equivalent to natural selection.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Rand Paul may be clueless but that muppet Grover Norquist isn’t: he’s just evil.

      This lying snake Norquist actually told reporters that the voters who put David Brat over the top have no beef with Amnesty? I’ll give him props if he said it with a straight face.

      • neverevrland

        I don’t believe Paul is clueless at all. He’s just as conniving and evil as Norquist and the rest of the plutocrat lobby. Paul is a fairly slick politician who is mastering the language of doublespeak and will be totally fluent by 2016.

  • Samuel_Morton

    Paul Ryan is betting on taking the ‘moderate’ position (which in modern terms is just behind the radical left). Hopefully he is wrong, and white voters wake up and begin voting in their best interest.

    • Pro_Whitey

      It’s time we seized the “moderate” label. If given a realistic appraisal of the immigration situation, 60-80% of the American people want restriction and no amnesty. With support like that, immigration control and enforcement are the moderate positions, and amnesty is extreme.

  • Samuel_Morton

    Paul Ryan is betting on taking the ‘moderate’ position (which in modern terms is just behind the radical left). Hopefully he is wrong, and white voters wake up and begin voting in their best interest.

  • Dave4088

    Rand Paul is a sellout. His immigration reform plan (so called) would still facilitate a tidal wave of third world invaders via “legal” immigration and the visa system. The checks and balances he touts are meaningless when we have a government that willfully ignores laws it deems inconvenient to its radical, anti-white agenda. We don’t need reform; we need people with the will and the cajones to deport illegals and enforce existing laws.

    Besides, the “reform” bill he wants would be filled with so much legalese, weasel words and ambiguity that it would enable left wing demagogues and/or RINOs to simply declare the border “secure” and enact amnesty or the equivalent of it whenever they see fit.

  • Dave4088

    Rand Paul is a sellout. His immigration reform plan (so called) would still facilitate a tidal wave of third world invaders via “legal” immigration and the visa system. The checks and balances he touts are meaningless when we have a government that willfully ignores laws it deems inconvenient to its radical, anti-white agenda. We don’t need reform; we need people with the will and the cajones to deport illegals and enforce existing laws.

    Besides, the “reform” bill he wants would be filled with so much legalese, weasel words and ambiguity that it would enable left wing demagogues and/or RINOs to simply declare the border “secure” and enact amnesty or the equivalent of it whenever they see fit.

  • MekongDelta69

    I know I will catch hell for this on AmRen, but hey, why just write ‘safe’ (i.e. pointing out the obvious) posts.

    There are a bunch of people who either used to be on AmRen (and may still be, for all I know), who absolutely loved Rand Paul (along with Ron Paul).

    I was never a big fan. I just thought he was ok – no better or worse than any other ‘libertarian semi-RINO’ (or whatever term you want to ascribe to him). But I simply never got worked up enough about him to respond one way or another.

    Now for the ‘uh-oh’ moment… Ready?… Ok… (and feel free to correct me/blast me/say whatever you want – I’ve been through much worse!)…

    Unless I’m very mistaken, I can not think of one White person who is thinking of running for President in 2016 who is totally against illegal immigration. (I’m NOT talking about ANY White person – JUST the prospective White candidates.)

    I can only think of one prospective candidate who is against illegal immigration – and that is (ironically) Ted Cruz.

    * Incoming – Hit the deck

    I know, I know – He’s not 100% White. He’s not ‘perfect’ (but then again, who is?). He’s not Jared Taylor (or you can substitute whomever else who thinks like Jared here).

    But he’s a million times better than NoBama. (But then again, so is my dog.)

    If there’s someone else I’m overlooking who’s a viable candidate, please let me know. I have an open mind…

    • Dave4088

      Don’t be so sure. Republican presidents have a history of moving left on all hot button social issues once elected. Rand Paul was once an anti-illegal immigrant firebrand and now look at him. Rand Paul is fastly becoming Obama in white face.

      • MekongDelta69

        You’re absolutely right. I am NOT sure (of the future).

        I was simply talking about today – right or wrong. I wish there were a Pat Buchanan (type) running (again), but as much as I would love that, I have to live in the real world.

        And the real world s-u-c-k-s

    • Katherine McChesney

      I’ve heard Jeff Sessions’ named bandied about.

      • MekongDelta69

        Senator Inhofe (OK) too – except he’s not running for President – and has no intentions to do so (as of today).

      • Pro_Whitey

        Sessions is the man, the only one who has made the connection that increased immigration, legal or illegal, results in reduced job opportunities, wages, and working conditions for Americans. Implicitly that is a pro-white position, and I hope he would supplement it with a call to end affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws, which can be advanced as a non-racial employment booster by avoiding unnecessary litigation and by making employers more willing to hire minorities, because they can fire them if they don’t work out (that is the huge backfire of affirmative action). Sessions should be the first choice of AmReners.

      • jayvbellis

        Don’t fall in to the White American trap of putting all your time, hopes in to some “savior” elected President of the United States.

        Presidential politics is the area where we have the least chance of success.

        Go local.

        Take over county politics, Sherif, County Board Chairman, local Republican organizations, even local Dem organization.

        Buchanan should have run and run Governor of New Hampshire in the late 1990s and then built pro us state organization. Instead our side talked him in to doing a long shot, no shot Reform Party Presidential campaign where he won 0%.

        Tancredo should have run, won a Governor of Colorado on GOP ticket 10 years ago.

        Our side can’t seem to take the time to learn, do local, state politics, it’s all or nothing and we can always be counted on to roll the dice and risk everything on Presidential crusades where we end up winning….. Nothing.

    • Ike Eichenberg

      Hard to classify Ted racially, I don’t know what the mix he has, but his mother is Irish/Italian and his Cuban father looks whiter than Ted.

      Both parents are quite smart. Dad has a math degree from the University of Texas and mom has a math degree from Rice which is well regarded institution.

      As for Ted, lib Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz called him “off the charts brilliant.”

      Ted would be better than any other person with a realistic shot, but he’ll have trouble getting the nomination.
      The deck is stacked hard in favor of North East and establishment republicans.

      Pic of his father.

      • Sick of it

        I’m sure he can take the Northeast with the support of Goldman Sachs.

      • Spikeygrrl

        Unfortunately, Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen. Oh, wait…

        • Katherine McChesney

          He gave up his Canadian citizenship a few days ago.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Citizen, yes. NATURAL BORN citizen, no.

            And you completely missed my point. Since the current occupant of the White House is not a NatBoCit either, and anyone who actually cares about that is reflexively labeled a nut case, the precedent is set: regardless of the law, IN PRACTICE not being a NatBoCit will never again be a bar to the Presidency.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I got it the first time but only wanted to comment on Cruz.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Apologies for the dupe. I thought DISQUS ate my first one. I had to reload this page three times to find out that it hadn’t.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Still not Natural Born.

            And you missed my point entirely. Which was that Barry Soetoro is not a Natural Born Citizen either, but anyone who dares to care is reflexively branded a nut case or worse. THE PRECEDENT HAS NOW BEEN SET: Regardless of the law, not being a Natural Born Citizen will never again be a bar to the Presidency.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Who cares. Everyone already know this information. Hardly news today.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Who cares? I do. And you should too. People who don’t care about our Constitution being chipped away piece by piece will have only themselves to blame when this once great nation is reduced to just one more province, under Sharia, with dhimmitude and injustice for all.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Interesting BOTH of your self-righteous postings were deleted. Your attitude was hard to deal with.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Got your comeuppance, didn’t you?

    • NoMosqueHere

      What is Cruz’s race? He is hispanic but what does that term mean anyway? Are people from Spain not white?

      • Snazzy Snook

        People from Spain are as white as the people from Italy .. Yes he is white ..

    • WR_the_realist

      Ted Cruz was born in Canada, although if I recall correctly his parents where American citizens. So does that meet the native born requirement of the Constitution? I’m skeptical. Ted Cruz is the best on the amnesty thing.

      Ron Paul blew hot and cold on the immigration issue. He was for building the fence on the border, against amnesty, and against birthright citizenship. But he also opposed mandatory e-verify, and seemed to have no objections to unbounded legal immigration. Rand Paul seems a bit worse than his dad — he voted against the senate immigration bill, but is way too comfortable with a policy that isn’t much different.

      • MekongDelta69

        Ted Cruz was born in Canada, although if I recall correctly his parents where American citizens. So does that meet the native born requirement of the Constitution? I’m skeptical. Ted Cruz is the best on the amnesty thing.”

        His parents are American citizens who were working in Canada. His mother is half Italian/half Irish and his father escaped Castro’s Cuba. Until three days ago, he had dual citizenship, but two days ago, he gave up his Canadian citizenship, so he can legally run for President if he wants to.
        [It’s a similar situation to McCain. McCain was born on the NAS in the Panama Canal (which was under U.S. control at the time) to American citizens, which is why he was eligible to run.]

    • jayvbellis

      Hey Buddy.

      Rand Paul was voted White Traitor of the Year by Amren for 2013. That’s the worst, not B- C +

      So I guess you sort of haven’t been paying attention.

      What were you doing? Following the Miami Heat? Rap music fan?

      • MekongDelta69

        You can always tell when somebody’s new to a site.

        They don’t read the entire original comment.
        They don’t know who the O.P. is.
        They do reply with a comment which has nothing to do with the original comment.

        …And I’m NOT your ‘Buddy’…

  • JSS

    “The status quo needs to change and the current situation is untenable,”

    If the current situation is untenable then why does Mr Paul want to perpetuate it by rewarding and bringing in even more of the people causing the problem?

  • Dave4088

    Rand Paul is your typical libertarian ideologue. He thinks third world invaders arrive here with $2 in their pocket, the best of intentions and unrequited love in their hearts who will one day become small business owners and captains of industry and thus, libertarian fellow travelers. In reality, they are callously indifferent to this nation’s history and institutions (unless it confers free stuff), often loathe the majority white population and come for welfare, free food and free medical care.

    If they don’t come for the cornucopia of free stuff and special rights and privileges then it’s only because they can live better here as opposed to the third world train wreck of nation whence they came and has nothing to do with the ideals and principles this nation was founded on. Either way, the reality is far different than libertarian dreamers think and legions of these people do not make for a stable, peaceful and prosperous nation.

  • Löwenmensch ᛟ

    Every amnesty has resulted in a pronounced influx of future border jumpers. These politicians work for corporations and what do corporations want? They want more consumers to buy their products., plain and simple. They want to stuff a billion plus people in this country, like how China and India is currently. They don’t care about race, religion, culture, MONEY is their motivation.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      They want to sell off all of our natural resources, outsource all of our manufacturing, pave over all of our agricultural land and surround us with hostile nonwhite savages. By destroying everything that our ancestors built, the elites want to ensure that we starve to death when the race war begins.

      • Löwenmensch ᛟ

        The race war is already happening, like a cold war with covert warfare and economic warfare

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Don’t forget that Obama has signed Executive Order 13603 which gives Obama and federal government the authority to take over “all forms of civil transportation,” and “all commodities and products that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals,” as well as “all usable water from all sources” in case of “national emergency” — with the feds designed as determining what constitutes a national emergency.

        It doesn’t distinguish between public and private property. Private farms, ranches, water wells and cisterns seem to be covered.

        In Utah, Washington and Colorado it is illegal to collect rainwater that falls on your own property! Because, according to the feds, that rain doesn’t belong to you.

        An Eagle Point, Ore., man has begun serving a 30-day jail sentence after he built three reservoirs on his property to collect rainwater — an apparent violation of a state law that says all water is publicly owned.

        • Obama is an enemy to the American people the Constitution and Bill of Rights . . .
          he needs to be deposed ASAP .

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            What’s scary is how many people LOVE him and his policies, and I mean WHITES who vote for this phony and fraud; unbelievable that they’d prefer to be lorded over by a White-hating, communist black who policies support the genocide of the White race.

            In Russia, statues of Lenin are being pulled down and destroyed; in America, Obama’s same big government/redistributionist policies are embraced.

  • LHathaway

    By the time the border is secure they only thing it will do is lock us in.

    • Petronius

      That may be a more serious threat than you imagine.

  • Evette Coutier

    Rand Paul is a traitor, sellout, and political hack. Illegals are nothing more than tax payer subsidized low cost labor for multinational corporations. Paul wants struggling Americans to subsidize healthcare, food, housing, education, etc so billionaires and billion dollar corporations can earn more profit.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    The flailing Rand Paul wants company in the deep amnesty hole he’s dug for himself. See below:

    “I think it’s absolutely vital that the Republican Party embrace more legal immigration . . . I think the conversation [about immigration reform] needs to start by acknowledging that we aren’t going to deport twelve million illegal immigrants. If you . . . wish to live and work in America then we will find a place for you . . .” (“Rand Paul: We ‘aren’t going to deport’ 12 million illegal immigrants, addressing the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, VIDEO, 1m into clip, Aliya Frumin, 03/19/2013, MSNBC)

    Will the GOP join him in the pit?

  • IKUredux

    Damn right “the status quo needs to change and the current situation is untenable”. No truer words have been spoken of late. But I’m afraid you and I have come to the same conclusion from radically different points of view, and our solutions, well, not even close to being similar. Here’s how I feel: “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…”

  • Sick of it

    Rand isn’t going to be re-elected.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      He’s going to be “Cantored” in 2016.

      Count on it– and we will celebrate when he goes down.

    • jayvbellis

      Rand is running for President in 2016.

      • Sick of it

        I’d rather see Jeff Sessions run.

  • IstvanIN

    Hey, Mr. Paul, how about the US Marine who is being tortured in that Mexican jail?

    • JSS

      Don’t worry Istvan the guards doing the torturing should be in the States and getting their green cards and welfare checks any day now. The present US government has great need of “Amurrikans” who are willing torture combat vets and other patriots. Sadly your average White American isn’t willing do that kind of job so the government needs to import people who are.

  • MBlanc46

    “Normalization”, “amnesty”, “potato”, “potahto”; it’s all the same scam to shove eleven million Mexicans down our throats, then start in on the next eleven million.

  • 2eRep

    Another scam by this idiot and his puppet masters.

  • A Freespeechzone

    Rand Paul is an example of the problem with this country—politicians who would rather pander to those who bring little or NO value to our country, demand rights and redistribution of assets, than the LEGAL, hard-working Americans who built this country and end up paying for this scum.

    Any politician that chooses illegals and criminals over Americans, Veterans and those who built this country deserve to be removed and politically destroyed.

    No Apologies.

    • Sick of it

      When politicians are criminals, such as modern politicians the world over, expect nothing less.

  • TruthBeTold

    “If you want immigration reform, there has to be openness to
    compromise,” Paul said. “There still could be a pathway forward for
    immigration reform.”

    What is this compromise of which Mr. Paul speak?

    All I’m hearing is ‘pathway to citizenship’, ‘Dream Act’, and ‘forgiveness’.

    Where is the reform???

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    “I still am for it,” Paul said. “I say everywhere I go that I am for immigration reform.”

    Rand Paul argued that Cantor’s loss …was the result of the majority leader finding himself on the wrong side of many issues important to the grassroots, including the debt ceiling, the NSA spying program, and ‘corporate welfare.’

    “Sen. Rand Paul never embraced amnesty,” his office stated in an email.

    —————————————————————————————————–

    You must want to get out of politics, Paul.

    You have proved you are no different from amnesty whore Cantor: A fraud, phony and covert democrat.

    Go ahead and keep meeting with pro-amnesty groups while telling us that Cantor’s loss had nothing to do with the immigration/amnesty issue.

    Expect to be “Cantored” in 2016.

    Anyone on this planet still this guy is presidential material?

    • TruthBeTold

      You have to wonder how these people are so out of touch with the will of the people they represent.

      It’s mind blowing.

  • Spikeygrrl

    And I had such high hopes for Sen. Paul…

    The band Queen got it right: “And another one down and another one down / Another one bites the dust.”

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Rand Paul has lost absolutely EVERY bit of respect I have ever had for him in. He has proven to be as liberal and idiotically suicidal. As any of the officially recognized nationhood suicide inducing liberals you care to mention. He is Treason with a capital T!

  • jayvbellis

    I take great pride in outing Rand Paul and his idiot father Ron Paul – documenting their immigration treason.

    Rand Paul was American Renaisance traitor of the year 2013 – and he’s even worse in 2014.

  • jayvbellis

    I had solid success talking with Rand Paul’s Congress staff rep in Washington.

    I use *67 so my out of state phone number doesn’t show, I claimed to be from outside of Louisville KY.

    I highly recommend doing this.

    We. might be able to ignite a a Rand Paul staff revolt. Newt Gingrich had many such staff revolts.

  • jayvbellis

    All here should understand Rand Paul is just doing what his father Ron Paul has done for 25 years.

    Betray us, pander, push the open borders 3rd world immigration program of destruction, it’s an uncompromising commandment of their hideous Libertarian cult.

    We still have lots of these libertarian cult members posting on Amren. They just deny that open borders immigration goes with the Libertarian program or else they just change the subject, insist that the rest of their program is so good that immigration doesn’t matter.

  • scutum

    Listen, you aren’t going to get any meaningful immigration reform from a libertarian. I was once interested in the libertarian party due to my background in economics, but their open borders, and any willing employer should be able to hire any willing worker philosophy, turned me off. You do not want to have a libertarian in control of the Whitehouse, they will always side with the open borders advocates.

    • jayvbellis

      Agreed. Bolshevik leader Lenin had Libertarians in mind when he said:

      “the Capitalists will sell us everything including the rope which we hang them”

      Don’t enable open borders immigration libertarian loons.

      Don’t feed the libertarians.

  • maxsnafu

    Paul is a good Republican. I don’t mean that as a compliment.

  • scutum

    The problem with our politicians is that most of them do not understand fundamental economics. John Meynard Keynes postulated in his work, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money that in the short runeconomic output is influenced by aggregate demand. (IN THE SHORT RUN IS THEOPERATIVE WORD HERE) This is relevant for very limited circumstances where there is unused industrial capacity and high unemployment. While we do have high unemployment, we DO NOT have any unused industrial capacity as we had during the great depression. The political elite’s attempts to stimulate demand by bringing more illegal and legal immigrants into the country and subsidizing them will only increase the deficit and put more Chinese, Koreans and Japanese to work manufacturing the consumer goods they purchase. Remember that most immigrants are low wage earners or dis-savers and require subsidization even when they are employed in a full time low wage job. I would also lio point out that it wasn’t Keynesianism that pulled us out of the great depression. It was the Second World War when we became the arsenal of democracy and began to utilize all of our unused industrial production and many of the unemployed were called into the military.

  • David Ashton

    Endless immigration means endless legalization means endless immigration….

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      Well, you don’t say?

  • Demo P. Seal; PouponMarks

    And I want liquidation of Rand Paul, the annoying cross dresser.

    Time for Cruz Control. Locked on target.

  • cecilhenry

    Deportation after being fined and jailed.

    Only solution. These people are evil.

  • Snazzy Snook

    I never though this guy would turn on us like he did ..

    • jayvbellis

      I did.

      I have to say I called Rand Paul’s about face treason.

      It all started when the homosexual Lib Zionist owner of the New Republic launched a vicious smear against Ron Paul, finding politically incorrect comments about Black criminals, the Israeli lobby in Ron Paul’s newsletter in the 1980s. Instead of simply standing up for our people against this vicious smear campaign by a flaming homosexual , Liberal, Leftist Zionist, Ron Paul ate crow , and denied he wrote or even read these terrible RACIST, anti Israel articles in his own newsletter.

      What a pathetic , sad excuse for a White man.

  • jayvbellis

    Stay strong my brothers and sisters.

    We contained Communism in Europe and most of Asia for 45 years, then Communism fell.

    We’ll contain this barbaric, terrorist Jihadist Religion of Peace (not!) to existing 3rd world desert, goat $&@$) mountain areas ending in “Stan” (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan , Fupistan”.

    There is lots of good news on facing this barbaric cult. Russia and China are on our side against these horrible terrorists. Yes, we will suffer lots of terrorist attacks like 9-11-01, Boston Marathon, that English soldier being ambushed and beheaded in broad daylight in London. In war there are casualties. We have to get down and dirty to fight these terrible Jihadists in ways they understand.

    Read up on the French Algerian war in the 1950s. See the movie “Battle of Algiers” read the tell all book “battle of the Casbah” by the French General in charge of counter terrorism in Algiers.

    We dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan in World War II, we can wage effective war on these terrible Islamic extremists

    • jayvbellis

      Sorry. This should have been posted on another forum discussing radical Islam taking over Iraq.

      • Seems that it’s at least a little bit relevant in this thread about Rand Paul.

        • jayvbellis

          Yes. Agree. Thanks so much for allowing me to post comments here. Amren is really good. The best. I feel that Conservative White America would be “saved” if our people just read Amren and acted accordingly.

          Horrors like Ron and Rand Paul, Mile the Huckster Huckabee, Lispy Lindsey Gramnesty Graham, they wouldn’t have any chance of getting in power.

  • unacceptable .