Will the Union Be a Victim of Multiculturalism?

Ed West, Spectator, May 7, 2014

One of the more striking statistics in yesterday’s Policy Exchange report on multi-ethnic Britain is the revelation that only 25 per cent of white Britons identify as British. This low figure may reflect people not wishing to fill out two boxes (that’s what Alex Massie says, anyway), but it certainly follows a noticeable trend of recent years–the decline of British identity in England. In contrast 64 per cent of white Britons in this report called themselves ‘English only’.

With the arrival of post-war migrants a great deal of effort was made to make the British identity less racial, more welcoming, and rightly so. But one of the unintended, although not very surprising, consequences of this is that white Britons have sought out an identity for themselves (understandably, as ‘white’ isn’t a particularly nice way of describing oneself, loaded as it is with baggage, and anyway I’m more the colour of a sunburned pig). Once you turn a national identity from something defined by ancestry (even if it was an understated familial category into which people could be adopted) into a proposition nation, then that identity is going to weaken somewhat. That’s not necessarily a terrible thing for people’s everyday lives, if identity isn’t important to them; but if only a quarter of the country’s largest ethnic group identify with that country, then that country’s got a problem.

Identifying as English rather than British is probably a good indicator of hostility or scepticism to multiculturalism, so that nowadays Britishness is largely confined to minorities and wealthy London liberals (I wouldn’t be surprised if, despite their name, a large number of Ukip supporters favour English independence).

And as well as watering down the sense of Britishness among the majority south of the border, multiculturalism has also weakened the Union because England and Scotland have had very, very different post-war experiences. Ukip is a response to multiculturalism, and is relatively tiny in the northern kingdom, but would it be so if Scotland had received the same number of post-war immigrants as the post-industrial North and Midlands? It seems unlikely, as demography tends to be destiny in these matters.

Scotland has sustained sectarianism because the proportion of Irish Catholic immigrants, at up to 15 per cent, was far higher than in England, where it never topped 5 per cent. Being of mixed Catholic/Protestant heritage myself, I’m glad it never got larger down here. England now has a sort of very mild form of nativism, and perhaps to Scots this is as incomprehensible as the politics of the Old Firm derby are to us.

Yet yesterday’s report was largely hailed by the commentariat as proof that people rub along in England. But what did they expect? If 100 Africans move into my area, do they think I’m going to organise a pogrom or burn a cross on their lawn? Diversity causes conflict only in extreme forms; in most cases it leads to apathy and alienation, not just towards one’s neighbours but to the political system and the nation itself.

And if so few people south of the border regard themselves as British, is it any wonder they’re so unconcerned about a very successful 300-year-old union slipping away?

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  • Frank_DeScushin

    “white isn’t a particularly nice way of describing oneself, loaded as it is with baggage”

    I despise self-loathing whites. This self-loather hates to call himself white due to “baggage”, but he’d probably join in with a “black is beautiful” or “black power” chant. And why focus on the white “baggage”? Why not focus on all the achievements, advancements, and good that whites have brought the world?

    My name is Frank, I’m white, and I’m damn proud.

    • David Ashton

      Baggage, membership of a primary human subspecies responsible for most human achievements in history.

    • italian guy

      Couldn’t agree more.

      • David Ashton

        Is that Joseph Smith, freemason and fraud? Only asking.

        • SoulInvictus

          Upvote for saying exactly what was in my brain.
          The more I think about he and the Mormons though, have to wonder if he was ahead of his time.
          Establishing his own cult in the middle of nowhere. Encouraging large families and clean living. Shunning outsiders and outright demonizing (literally) blacks for most of their history.
          If I could stomach being a hypocrite about religious myths, I’d consider joining for racial reasons alone.

          • David Ashton

            The Mormons have an excellent civic record. Their Apostles, of course, got a politically correct message about racism from the The Personages in the Godhead. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are also a pretty honest and industrious lot, but not patriotic like the Latter Day Saints. Evidence that an origin in religious falsehood can lead to good social behavior. One of the best short yet erudite critiques I have read of Christ Myth theories was written by a Mormon, but nothing from the JW matches LDS education levels.

          • SoulInvictus

            JW’s also having masonic beginnings. 😉

            I dated one a long time ago. Attended some of their services and functions.

            Large percentage of blacks, possibly a majority. And the who thing has a borderline cult vibe about it. They revel in perceived persecution. The whole experience didn’t a positive feeling about it, and having grown up as a strict southern Baptist, they made the Baptist’s look like Dionysian revelers.

          • David Ashton

            The JWs have produced a substantial Bible Dictionary which is very useful if you ignore their bizarre theology and ancient chronology. I have come across some very beautiful JW girls in England, though one of whom I was very fond and also very intelligent was “disfellowshipped” for her sexual misbehavior. I had an argument with them only last week about Australian Aborigines and the Japanese both descending from Noah’s three sons in just a few thousand years – no dice, anything outside their box is the work of Satan.

          • SoulInvictus

            Funny you should mention it, the girl I dated got “disfellowshipped” (they REALLY don’t like it when you mockingly call it excommunication), because of yours truly.
            I’ll give it to them that they probably follow a lot of biblical teachings more accurately than most Christians, but yeah, closed minded doesn’t even begin to describe their thinking.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    So when you destroy the identity of a nation fewer of indigenous citizens identify with that nation? Shocker.

  • MekongDelta69

    As bad as we are here (and it’s bad), they’re even worse off than we are – if that’s even possible anymore.

  • The same thing has occurred in the U.S. The Mexican peasant-invaders don’t even want to be Americans. They see themselves as Mexicans first, as every poll reveals when asked how they view themselves. They want a first-world salary while still retaining their third-world Mexican culture and identity.

    Does it even matter at this point? Our national and cultural identity has been polluted and watered-down by everything other than the founding stock of this nation. Like many of you, I’m sure, I tend to identify more so with being of white, european descent than being American.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I’ve always liked, “My Nation is My Race.”

    • I’m white first, Southern second, American third.

    • frederickdixon

      The difference between your Mexicans and our blacks and browns here in England is that the great majority of the latter describe themselves as “British”, usually unqualified by any other national description, which naturally and rightly cause the English to ask “well, if they’re British, what am I?”. The answer to that question is to fall back on our true, core, English ethnicity.
      Do I regret it? Yes, of course I regret the usurpation by third world invaders, enabled by our white elite, of the great imperial identity of which my father’s generation were so proud, but just to be English and nothing else is not so bad; and I now look forward in hope to an independent England (so come on Scotland, do your duty in the September referendum and set both our countries free!)

      • David Ashton

        An “independent England” will contain proportionately more “third world invaders” than a united kingdom. “Englishness” will be redefined by the Quangos and the Kutwalas as “Inclusive” and “Multicultural” – it’s already happening in anticipation, especially by left-wing subversives who are anxious incrementally to dismember the UK, weaken our defenses, reduce our voice in the EU and turn Scotland into a socialist fief.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    Diversity causes conflict only in extreme forms; in most cases it leads to apathy and alienation, not just towards one’s neighbours but to the political system and the nation itself.


    Nonsense. Diversity always leads to conflict. More diversity means more conflict.

  • Petronius

    These results should not come as a big surprise. Traditionally the indigenous people of the UK refer to themselves as English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish (or Northern Irish).

    The ones who call themselves “British” are the immigrants.

    Thus Nerobama fell into a common error when he said, “I believe in American exceptionalism just as I suspect the Brits believe in British exceptionalism….” There really is no such thing as “British exceptionalism.” Normally the attachment of the “Brits” is not to Britain –– rather, their attachment is to England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, as the case may be.

    • David Ashton

      It is quite possible for an Englishman also to feel loyalty to the United Kingdom, and an affection and admiration for all its participant ‘nations’ (difficult as some Scots currently make it for us). I believe it is time for unity in variety among all the ‘native’ interwoven peoples of Europe. I respect many of the English-speaking and England-admiring, law-abiding and industrious immigrants of non-European origin, but they are not “us” and mostly do not so regard themselves. Apart from the criminals and spongers among our ‘uninvited guests’, the real enemies of the British peoples are the “liberals” and “leftists”, especially the “white” ones, and the political class best described as “yellow”.

      • Jacobite2

        British is a legal term. There is no such thing as a British people. There were Britons, who were a tribe of Celts. They were related to the Gaels and the Picts. England (as the name suggests) was thereafter subject to a continuing invasion and settlement by Germanic peoples. First the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes; then the Vikings, then the Normans (Vikings living in France). Thus Englishmen are genetically different from the Welsh, Cornishmen, Scots, and Irish. No law on earth can make Africans Englishmen, any more than the US Supreme Court could make tomatoes a vegetable.

        • David Ashton

          There has been some genetic intermixture over the centuries between the descendants of the original Germanic and Celtic peoples of “white” ancestry with sub-variants of I-E languages. The Scots have a rather different legal system from England. I support the political unity under the Crown of Britain, with “devo-max” arrangements all round but not the soulless break-up of England into administrative regions, especially if my capital city becomes a separate Afro-Asian center, a mini-Soweto.

          Incidentally, I used the US tomatoes analogy in opposing my local Liberal Democratic (yet RC) MP in his support for homosexual “matrimony”.

          • Jacobite2

            I think segregation would probably work, if done soon. If Belgium is going to split into two halves, Scotland and Wales look like good candidates. Pre-history in Europe is too much for me. Heck, even history is too much. I don’t have a photographic memory, and without one, how anybody keeps track of the migrations back and forth across Europe is a mystery. I wonder if they still teach the Sup Ct case on shipping rates where the Court declared tomatoes a vegetable. Of course, when I was in law school, we had a big party when Earl Warren died. Times have changed.

      • frederickdixon

        Excellent. When will your book “The Murder of England” be published, and where will I be able to get it?

        • David Ashton

          Still working on it, all too slowly, as the new material overwhelms the earlier stuff – sadly. I shouldn’t use my working time to put some thoughts in bits on AmRen, but at least Disqus publishes ALMOST everything. My immediate priority is to finish a novel for young people based on the Return of Arthur.

    • Xerxes22

      The Unionists in N. Ireland call themselves British. No one calls themseves Northern Irish. In fact, they consider themselves to be super British, more British than the people who live in Britain.

      • frederickdixon

        It used to be the case, not so long ago, that British race patriotism was the national identity of Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders and South Africans of British Isles descent. I don’t know how they think of themselves now if they don’t want to accept the “proposition nation” thing thrust upon them by the usual suspects; “Anglo-Celtic” perhaps

      • David Ashton

        I wish our mainland patriots had more respect and understanding for the loyalists. You don’t even have to like them, especially those who all look as though they went to the same gents’ outfitters, opticians and barbers (even without the bowler hats and umbrellas).

        Apparently HM The Q said that the late Queen Mother would never have shaken hands with Martin McGuinness. His old organisation tried to “meet” Elizabeth II almost exactly 20 years ago when she landed at Heathrow Airport, but the greeting was thankfully foiled in time. However, they did get Lord Mountbatten and two youngsters in cold blood on another occasion, and also managed permanently to paralyze the wife of my English Member of Parliament from the neck down.

      • Petronius

        Of course the Ulster Unionists have an unusually strong political loyalty to the Union; one might almost say they are the exception that proves the rule. On the other hand, however, many descendants of the 19th century southern Irish immigrants to Belfast and Derry still think of themselves as “Irish.” When Gerry Adams travels to Boston, MA on a British passport to raise money for the IRA, he doesn’t call himself a “Brit” does he?

        Many English Welsh, and Scots also share a common loyalty to the UK in a political sense, but less obviously so than the Ulster Unionists. My point, however, is that they still identify themselves as ethnic English, Welsh, etc. Even David Ashton’s hypothetical “Englishman” in his example given above still identifies himself as English.

        I must say however that I have never met an Irishman in southern Ireland or in the UK who is as strongly “Irish” in his ethnic identity as the American Irishman.

        The Welsh still complain about the Londoners who buy up weekend cottages in Wales, and they speak Welsh among themselves … especially when they don’t want you to know what they’re saying!

        I once shared a train ride in the Midlands with a woman from Cornwall. She told me it was the first time she had ever been to England.

        And I’d have to say the Glaswegians are a race unto themselves.

        • Xerxes22

          You don’t really believe that nonsense that the the Nationalists in N. Ireland are descendants of 19th. century migrants from the rest of Ireland? In fact, they are the descendants of the original inhabitants who lived there for thousands of years. It is a Unionist myth that this part of Ireland was uninhabited when the British settlers invaded. The settlers had a very difficult time in taking control of the land and holding on to it. There were some very nasty wars in the 17th. century in which the native Irish came close to winning and regaining their land. The recent conflict was just a continuation of those wars. When these same settlers sailed to North America, they often settled on the frontier where they had experience in fighting the native population. This experience is what made them so formidable in the Indian and Revolutionary wars.

          • Petronius

            Gosh Xerxes, I’m not sure what I’ve said to annoy you. As I have said before (and I’ll say it again), many if not most of the people in Northern Ireland consider themselves “Irish” in ethnicity.

            Yes, some of the Irish in N. Ireland are descendants of those Irish who came from southern Ireland in the 1800s to get jobs in the factories or shipyards. Some of these Irish also immigrated to British cities at the same time, cities such as Liverpool, Holyhead, London, and Glasgow. Some still come today.

            Of course some northern Irish are also descendants of the aboriginal Irish-Britons who, as you say, have been there for thousands of years. Some are also the descendants of Scots, English, and French Huguenots who were “planted” there by Eliz I and James I over four centuries ago (or a bit later by Cromwell).

            All of these types of people, regardless of background, generally refer to themselves as “Irish.”

            Come to think of it, some of the Irish both north and south are descendants of their old Norman conquerors. (My wife is one of these.) And there are also some who descend from German Palatines (Protestant refugees) who were settled in Ireland by Queen Anne.

            I remember meeting one of the latter some years ago, who –– after three centuries of assimilation –– had emerged a proud Roman Catholic Irishman. He complained to me that his Palatine ancestors had been kicked out of Germany by the Protestants! And so he had come full circle.

            By the way, I have also encountered Irish-Americans who blame the English for the harsh treatment handed out to the native Irish by the Normans. Talk about coming full circle –– the Normans treated the English just as bad if not worse than they treated the Irish! Time to get over it.

  • ncpride

    (understandably, as ‘white’ isn’t a particularly nice way of describing oneself, loaded as it is with baggage, and anyway I’m more the colour of a sunburned pig).

    This is the result of decades of anti-White propaganda . The once proud peoples of Europe who have given so much to humanity now view their skin color and heritage as ‘baggage’ and the equivalent of pig flesh. How much lower can they possibly drag us down?

  • GenX Antipodean

    Diversity is the biological version of the neutron bomb, the buildings are left standing, the infrastructure will remain for a while, but the host population is gone.

    I read a lot of the comments on the DM “Ethnic minorities ‘will make up one third of the population by 2050’ as Britain’s melting pot continues to grow” and it was full of the types of comments made here on Amren, particularly “why can’t we vote on this” and “at least I’ll be dead by 2050”.

    Frankly I surprised most of these comments got through the DM censors, as none of my even slightly racial comments seem to ever get through. Well one of my comments on an article celebrating Charlize Theron’s black baby slipped past, where I said “it’s ashame she’s not having any of her own because she’s beautiful”.

    The response was 2:1 negative, with replies such as “there’s more to life than procreating you know”, before my comment was pulled completely.

    But to the voting issue, I wonder how many signatures you need to get a referendum (or ballot measures, initiatives, or propositions in the US)? To stop immigration or end affirmation action, as it seems the majority wants.

    Googling and finding the “Referendums_by_country” on Wikipedia tells me that in the UK and Canada is virtually impossible at the national/federal level unless you have a majority of politicians support (the US constitution has no such provisions at the Federal level with an amendment required), on the state level, 24 States have provisions but then it’s big money for and against campaigns, such as the $40 million both sides of prop 8 required in California.
    Sorry to be a downer, but I’m just looking for practical solutions. as all these demographic projections and lack of response is just too depressing.
    Yesterday’s 2050 article said “up to a third will be ethnic minorities by 2050″ but if 8% of the population has 25% of the under 10 year olds, they’re not going to be ‘a third’, that reassurance is a lie to show that the elite are on top of things, so don’t worry.
    Also mixed race is the fastest growing group, up 83% since 2001. It’s more likely White people will be that third, and if you’re middle class or lower there’s going to be no where to hide your visible minority A.

    On the up side Google: “Show of strength: Streets of Moscow filled with soldiers, tanks and missile launchers as Russia prepares to mark the anniversary of victory over the Nazis in WW2” from today, for a showing of homogeneous Whites who don’t seem to be affected with this self hate disease and who actually revere their own past.

  • IKUredux

    Hey Ed West! Guess what? I no longer consider myself an American! I am not a member of some amorphous propositional nation. I WAS an American. I no longer am. I never left America, America left me. That’s right Ed West! AMERICA LEFT ME!!!!! So, where am I supposed to move now, Ed? Where the hell do I get to go as a political refugee? That’s right Ed, NOWHERE, as a White, I have no recourse, no retreat, no ANYTHING! Meanwhile Ed, all you have done is put off your execution.

  • dd121

    If the left succeeds in destroying the West, I wonder what they think will be its successor? I suspect they’re in for a nasty surprise.

    • frederickdixon

      I suspect you mean Islam, and I suspect that you may very well be right. Where then for womens’ rights, gay rights and the rest of the lefties favourite causes? If it were not so tragic I could wish that I might still be around to witness their utter confusion!

      • dd121

        If the Muzzies gain control, the first heads they’ll chop will be all the leftists. So you see, there is sort of a circular justice after all.

      • Alec Smarts

        Globalism will be the successor – and globalism is behind liberalism.

        But when the global bankers have complete control, will they really give a care about nonwhites and liberal ideals? Probably not.

        By then it will be more like fascism or a new feudalism.

  • willbest

    I wonder how many Americans consider themselves American and aren’t ashamed of it.