Calif. Bill Banning State Sale of Confederate Flag Passes

CBS Los Angeles, May 5, 2014

California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag under a bill that passed the Assembly on Monday.

AB2444 by Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, is headed to the Senate after passing on a 72-1 vote. Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.

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“Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans,” Hall said of the Confederate flag. “The state of California should not be in the business of promoting hate toward others.”

The only lawmaker to vote against the bill was Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, the leading Republican candidate for governor.

“We shouldn’t be here picking the kind of speech we like,” he said. “I am not standing here defending the symbol. I am standing here defending the principle that the First Amendment principles should apply in all state buildings, of all places.”

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Courts have upheld the rights of individuals to display the Confederate flag while also upholding the rights of government agencies to limit what they endorse.

“We aren’t stifling free speech here,” said Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine, calling on Republicans who oppose flag burning to understand the symbolic implications of the Confederate flag. “Here is a symbol that’s so vile, that carries such connotations, that we in the state do not want to be associated with it.”

The legislation would not prohibit Confederate flag images from appearing in educational or historical contexts, such as in textbooks or museums.

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  • David Ashton

    Why not a new “inclusive” flag for the new “U”SA? Black, brown, yellow, red and white stripes? The New Glory.

    • dave

      The United States Of AMEXICA

      • David Ashton

        A slogan for you: “OUR AMERICA or THEIR AMEXICA”?

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      No white on it though, where you been?

      • David Ashton

        That’s for the Red Star and Green Crescent.

    • How about a white “we surrender” flag with random brown and yellow stains all over it?

  • dd121

    Here is a blatant example of the left chipping away at the free speech of Conservatives. I hope somebody challenges this in court.

  • Dave4088

    I guess freedom of expression no longer exists in the golden state (so called). I think we should take bets on a future date that they will ban the stars and stripes since it is so offensive to the free loading, revanchist mestizo invaders.

    • Dr. Möbias

      Is there anywhere left in America where freedom of expression exists?

      The most recent victim, Donald Sterling is finding out the hard way.

  • NoMosqueHere

    California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag …

    ———————————————————

    Why on earth would California’s government departments want to display or sell confederate flags anyway? California has no historical ties to the confederacy. This is some crazy stunt, or am I missing something? Is it a way to get legislators comfortable with banning speech?

    • Mason Gull

      It’s a black guy from Compton. He probably just didn’t think it through and the others voted with him to show how anti-racist they are.

      • Singh1699

        lol. lol. lol.

    • mobilebay

      Perhaps they could send one to me. I think being born and raised in Alabama gives me a right to it. I never had a Confederate flag, but I’d be happy to display it, put my hand over my heart, tip my hat to General Robert E. Lee and sing “Dixie” if necessary.

      • TXCriollo

        Ya i was born in Texas scv all that good deal, it really does not matter if that is our heritage. The lefty groups have turned it into an evil thing, in 1st grade we learned advance the flag of Dixie, try doing that now.

      • Mail order it.

    • rowingfool

      “torture and murder of millions of Americans”

      What planet is this person living on? There were only 400,000 blacks brought to this country to begin with. By 1860 they numbered 4 million. Today they number 40 million.

      So where’s the evidence for the alleged torture and murder?

      • Whitetrashgang

        Their talking about white peoples future in America.

  • Luca

    This is the same California that wants to prevent students from displaying the American flag on Cinco De Mayo. When you think California can’t get any crazier, just wait 15 minutes.

    • D.B. Cooper

      It’s cancer. First California, then your state eventually.

    • ejXinMI

      Can we vote California out of the Union?

  • bubo

    I wonder if just the sight of that old confederate money made the “generational pain” and black slave experiences come flooding back to the assemblyman’s mama. Perhaps she had a panic attack and couldn’t even breathe at the thought of those old slave times.

    Give me a break. Every time I read something like this I’m reminded that a huge percentage of our population has a very low IQ and behave like children.

  • So CAL Snowman

    ““Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture
    and murder of millions of Americans,” Hall said of the Confederate
    flag.”

    I wonder how Iraqis feel about the Stars and Stripes.

    • Fair Dinkum

      Or American Indians, for that matter.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Taos Pueblo in New Mexico raises the flag every day.

      • KevinPhillipsBong

        fair dinkum, indeed

    • Alexandra1973

      Somehow I don’t find Hall’s statement credible.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Lefties always conveniently forget that The Union started the war. If The Union didn’t want to conquer The CSA there never would have been any war. The blood is on the Yanks’ hands.

  • Fair Dinkum

    “Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.”

    His mommy got upset by replica Confederate bills sold at the State Capitol gift shop? And he thinks there has to be a law to deal with this, when a few discrete words in the right quarters could easily have dealt with the situation?

    I assume they’re not selling Che t-shirts and posters, ‘cuz I know they wouldn’t want to be hypocrites.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      And he thinks there has to be a law to deal with this, when a few discrete words in the right quarters could easily have dealt with the situation?
      .
      That would deny him an opportunity to grandstand, and pretend that he does something useful in office.

      • kikz2

        you’d think those congresscritters had nothing better to do w/their time….eyeroll.

  • JSS

    “Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans,”

    That’s fine with me, I’m not an Amurrican anymore I’m a White male. Personally I associate the Amurrican flag with the genocide of my race. I’d be happy to see it flushed down the toilet of history forever.

  • Petronius

    This peculiar animosity to the Confederate flag has a long history in Yankeedom. Gen. E. P. Alexander, CSA, in his post-war memoirs, noted it when discussing the passage of his troops through Chambersburg, PA:

    “The entire population of the place lined all points of observation, to see the troops pass. A few houses had U.S. flags displayed, of which our men took not the slightest notice — either here or anywhere else that we ever encountered them in the possession of non-combatants. This, it may be said in passing, was in strong contrast with the behavior of the Federal troops everywhere & always, during the war & since — almost to this very day. It is a feeling which I cannot myself understand, but it is like the feeling with which fervent believers in some religions regard the emblems of faith of other sects, & seek to insult & destroy them — as the old Spanish priests would an idol or Scotch covenanters would a cross.”

    Gen. Edward Porter Alexander, “Fighting for the Confederacy”, ed. by Gary W. Gallagher (Chapel Hill: U. of NC Press, 1989), 228-229.

    Here I think Gen. Alexander touched a nerve. Unlike the Confederates, who were motivated by a simple blood-and-soil patriotism, fighting for their home and kin, the Yankees fought an ideological war, with all the horrors that an ideological war entails: — If you claim that you are fighting a moral war for a moral objective, your enemy is therefore not moral but is hated by God. And so great evil must follow, as a Holy War can only be satisfied by the total conquest, extermination, and destruction of your enemy.

    Thus Southern civilians who displayed the Confederate flag, or who refused to salute the Union flag, were executed on the spot by their Yankee conquerors, and Southern non-combatants were sent to die in Northern prison camps for the slightest criticism of the invaders, such as whistling “Dixie” or for publishing a favorable obituary of a Confederate relative who was killed in action, or the Southern clergymen who were imprisoned because they refused to pray for the occupying Union forces and their commander.

  • Anglo

    I consider California an enemy-occupied part of America.

    • neverevrland

      You should. Most of It is occupied by Mexico.

      • Dr. Möbias

        First California. Then your state.

        –DB Cooper.

      • WR_the_realist

        And the rest is occupied by crazy leftists.

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          Yes, all of it is Mexicans and lefties. You seem well informed. When the feces hits the fan and we true Californians are fighting the good fight remember, we are the first line of defense of your state.

        • neverevrland

          No it isn’t. There are a lot of liberals -a ton that migrated from the northeast- but CA still has its fair share of white working class “rednecks”who don’t buy into the PC nonsense. They have no voice in the state government because that is what happens when the government elects a new people and you don’t have a choice about showing them the door. The FedGov made sure that White Californians would be overwhelmed and relegated to an irrelevant status back in the 90’s after the natives got a little restless about all the brown newcomers forming gangs and taking their jobs.
          I seem to remember a certain presidential candidate who made a lot of noise about the southern border only to have republicans from the rest of the country ignore or deride him for doing so. Maybe we wouldn’t have this republican hispandering problem if the rest of the country had listened to those wacko “leftists” 20 years ago.

      • Mexican communists.

  • Tarczan

    Just buy them over the internet.

  • It wasn’t always this way in California. Here’s one of Bon’s posts from some time ago here on AR that I saved. Emphasis mine.

    ***

    Just for fun, I pulled out an old History/Literature high school text from the early 60s.

    Here is a sample of some of the required reading for that time (when the US was 90% White):

    Under poetry:

    Edna St. Vincent Millay’s “God’s World”, Carl Sandburg “The Copperfaces, the Red Men”

    Under Colonial Times: “The First Psalm”, “On the Creation”, “The Alphabet” (‘In Adam’s Fall, We Sinned All’, ‘Heaven to Find, the Bible Mind’).

    From The Making of a Nation: selections from Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington’s ‘Farewell Address.’

    From The War Between the States (yes, that is the title of the section, not the ‘Civil War’: Glimpses of Lee: Robert E. Lee Reader, “Letter to his Son”, “Lee’s Return to Richmond”, “Lee in Later Life.”

    This was a mandated California State high school textbook, it is not from the South.

    It would send a multi-culturalist, egalitarian, government Commissar into apoplectic fits.

    I treasure this textbook, read it often and will hide it when the NWO authoritarians burn any books that reflect White culture in a positive light–I may have to memorize it if I cannot keep it from being burned.

    How far we’ve fallen. How far we’ve fallen.

    **

    • Romulus

      Mr. Taylor and others who treasure our past and history must preserve our past at all costs. Both print and disc and have backups of the backups.

      The commie trash do love their book barbecues!

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    “Hall, who is black, calls the Confederate flag a symbol of racism, exclusion and violence.”

    This is a symbol of racism, exclusion and violence.

    I say we get rid of it first.

    • IstvanIN

      The above symbol could be described as: American, land of the setting sun.

      My apologies to Japan for the appropriation.

      • Romulus

        Not quite.
        Nippon is the Land of the RISING sun!
        No apology necessary.

        • IstvanIN

          I know, I should have said misappropriating.

          • Romulus

            😉

  • Truth Teller

    It’s hard to understand this bill. Headline says prohibit selling the flag. Ok, but the article explains that state goverment departments can’t sell or display the Confederate Flag. California has no connection with the Confederancy at all. I never heard of state govt departments selling anything. Seems like some OFE or ADL assembly critter had nothing else to do. one day

    • IstvanIN

      Parks and museums sometimes have gift shops, maybe they mean that?

    • A Freespeechzone

      This is a freedom of speech issue; when it gets to the courts, California will likely lose.

      For now, the Supreme Court, in my opinion, will strike down the law.

  • Alexandra1973

    Land of the fruits and nuts indeed. When the Big One hits, I won’t feel a lot of sympathy.

  • Alexandra1973

    I’m wondering how long before my comments are deleted and/or the comments get closed. I’m getting my licks in while I can.

    • dd121

      For stating the simple truth on CNN, nothing inflammatory, I get about half my posts deleted. For these leftists on CNN one word comes to mind: fascists.

      • TXCriollo

        Im banned from cnn imagine that

  • MBlanc46

    As if the state legislators in California have nothing more important to attend to.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Black narcissism: No Confederate flags! Mexican narcissism: No American flags!

  • A Freespeechzone

    Remember that this is the state that BANS any display of the American Flag on mexican holidays—because it’s offensive to mexicans.

    I would bet that if this law is challenged in court, the First Amendment would prevail–after all, it is legal to burn and defile the Old Glory.

    The Confederate Flag IS a part of the US history…..

    • Zimriel

      Not California’s though. California was already a state as of 1860 and it supported the Union.

      As a former Texan, I am here to accept apologies.

  • Dr. Möbias

    What am I going to do now? Whenever I needed a new Confederate flag, I headed straight for California, the very center and heart of the Confederacy.

  • We have the Welsh Y Driag Goch flag here. Sadly, I suppose this will also eventually be considered a “divisive” symbol.

  • Hope the state falls into the ocean that much quicker ..

    • TXCriollo

      I love how the land of fruits and nuts feels like they need to tell everyone how to live. Heaven forbid we want to live different from them

    • Alexandra1973

      I wonder if all the excess weight from all the illegal aliens will speed it up.

  • LHathaway

    So if a government department wants to sell or display a chinese flag or one endorsing scientology, then it’s OK, fine and dandy?

  • Pro_Whitey

    I have come to realize that the Stars and Bars are actually a symbol of trying to prevent the enslavement, murder, and torture of white people. Unfortunately, they lost.

    • model1911

      WE lost. Good analogy.

  • dcc2379

    The Confederate flag is not vile to most blacks today for one reason: Most blacks are so ignorant, they don’t know why we celebrate the 4th of July any more than there was a Civil War. Ask a black person about how to get on SSI or a free phone, and all ignorance is replaced with mastery.

  • Greg Thomas

    Here is a symbol that’s so vile, that carries such connotations, that we in the state do not want to be associated with it.”

    This is what they should be saying about the mexican flag that flies all over the place in this state. They should be passing legislation banning the mexican rag.

    • Since the communist greaseritos there have already banned stars & stripes t-shirts in public schools, I suspect that the US flag will be banned before the Mexican green-white-red chicken rag.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        To me the Mexican flag is only good for one thing, and that is tearing into pieces and using it for “tango papa.”

  • Whitetrashgang

    I think they mean the American flag?

  • Paleoconn

    He seems like the real deal. He’s done some ads with a hispanic actress that are pretty funny albeit warning of the doom and gloom the Golden State finds itself in. I believe the actress is a bit of a conservative too, from cuba I think and she once had a verbal slugfest with Sean Penn.

  • The Austro-Hungarians used a similar two-headed eagle on theirs.

  • dcc2379

    Right on Pesach. Read the National Education Assessment Program (NEAP) for quantitative data proving blacks know very little history, in general. That’s why I said most; you, as an example, are an anomaly, not the rule.

    The canard at the end about my self-esteem being low because I’m degrading other cultures is Alinsky like. You attack me personally, rather than giving facts (e.g., give state and national testing data that don’t prove my contention). Another amusing point is that you stated I’m attacking a culture. I thought we were all talking about Americans.