The 800,000 People Living in Britain with Little or No English

John Bingham, Telegraph (London), January 29, 2014

Almost 800,000 people living in England and Wales have little or no English, with more than half not working, official figures show.

A new analysis of findings from the 2011 census shows dramatic differences in the lifestyles and employment chances of migrants with a limited command of English compared with the general population.

Migrants with little or no English are 50 per cent more likely to be unemployed than native speakers and three times as likely to have no formal qualifications.

The study also showed that those who do work are condemned to the lowest paid and most laborious jobs if they do not have a working command of English.

Significantly the problem is most acute among women. Overall 60 per cent of those living in England and Wales but unable to speak the national tongue are female.

It follows warnings that women from countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh brought to the UK as wives are suffering some of the greatest levels of social exclusion.

Overall the census found that there are 3.7 million people living in England and Wales for whom English–or Welsh in Wales–is not their main language.

The vast majority of them do speak the national language well but the census found that there are 785,000 who admit speaking English either poorly or not at all.

They amount to just 1.7 per cent of the population but a much larger proportion of the non-working population, analysts at the Office for National Statistics found.

While 72 per cent of working-aged people whose main language is English had a job on census day in 2011, just 48 per cent of those who struggle to speak English had a job.

The rest are not working, the vast majority of them economically inactive.

Only just over a third of women with little or no English are in work, compared with more than two thirds of men in the same position.

And three quarters of workers who do not have good English are employed in the most menial categories of work including as farm labourers, in factories or cleaning.

Women with little or no English who work are two and a half times as likely to be in basic jobs as migrants who do speak English well and five times more likely as native English speakers.

The figures show that housewives make up the biggest category of women who do not have a good command of English.

Overall almost 60 per cent of women who cannot speak English well are classed as economically inactive–meaning that they are not working or looking for work–compared with only a quarter of men with the same language levels.

Ann Cryer, the former Labour MP for Keighley–who was one of the first politicians to raise the issue of migrants failing to learn English–said there was a particular problem among the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities in her former constituency with women being brought to Britain as wives and denied the chance to integrate.

“English is the key to everything,” she said.

“In the 13 years that I was a Member of Parliament I was unable to persuade the Pakistani community or the Bangladeshi community that it would be a really good idea for them to start to marry within the settled community itself, it is the way forward for them.

“I think the Government do have to tighten up–if you are saying that a new husband or wife has to have a reasonable level of English they have got to check that that is the case.

“But ultimately I don’t think it is a Government solution that we need, it is a solution from he community.

“They will not advance until they accept that it is a good thing to marry someone who is actually born in the Bradford district and not from Mirpur [the district of Kashmir].

“We have had waves and waves of immigration to Bradford and Keighley district over the past 100 years but it has always been the case–if you think of the Irish, the Italians and even other Asian communities–they do not tend to bring husbands and wives in from outside the community, they tend to marry in the settled community but it is not happening wit the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community.”

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  • Spartacus

    “English is the key to everything,”

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    No. Having a functional brain is, which will never happen to the vast majority of them .

  • D.B. Cooper

    I think Buckingham Palace needs to open its doors and put some cots in those vast rooms. What do you think of that idea, Charles ol’ chap?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      House of Lords and Commons have some floor space as well.

      • David Ashton

        Thank you. Friendly comments across the Atlantic are always welcomed by the National Resistance here.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          I think you guys need a new form of Cromwell for a decade or so.

          Solidarity.

      • Doesn’t George Soros have a big, empty house over there? Maybe he could put a few dozen up, just until they get on their feet, of course.

    • David Ashton

      Many a true word spoken in jest. How it would suit our republicans (small R) to replace the Royal Family with some presidential “national treasure” like Stephen Fry or Chuka Emunna, sell off all the unique artworks and so forth to the New York art market and Israel philanthropists, and stuff all the royal residences with refugees from Syria to Somalia, etc.

      That might suit monomaniac Brit-haters like you, but it wouldn’t do anything for western civilization.

  • Truthseeker

    Next thing you know they’ll be arguing that by speaking English in England you’re somehow “oppressing” these poor folks.

  • David Ashton

    Alice Duer Miller once wrote:

    “I am American bred,
    I have seen much to hate here – much to forgive,
    But in a world where England is finished and dead,
    I do not wish to live.”

    A pity that a different attitude is taken towards the homeland of the English nation by AmRen posters who have nothing to offer us than Schadenfreude, to which our only reply can be: Clean out your own Augean Stables before you throw sneers at us.

    • Long Live Dixie

      I hadn’t heard of that poem before, so I looked it up. It turns out it was written during WWII and was influential in getting Americans to support getting involved in the slaughter. The irony is that the war Miller supported pretty much guaranteed that England would be facing death only a few generations later.

      • David Ashton

        Yes, a Pyrrhic victory of sorts. I have mentioned my agreement with much of what Mosley said in 1939 and what Buchanan wrote recently. My point, however, was that the England most of us English and a few of you Americans loved and admired has largely vanished, but we would rather our Anglo-Saxon cousins did not join our other enemies in spitting (though perhaps prematurely) on our grave. As for the war and its aftermath, I think Stalin, Hitler and Roosevelt share a greater responsibilty than Churchill, for all his faults and inebriation. The question is: where do we go from here, preferably in unity. “The best were ever divided; the worst were usually united” (Mosley 1947).

        • Long Live Dixie

          I disagree with you about which leader shares the biggest blame for causing the war (and therefore Europe’s ruin). I would put that blame more on Churchill than on any of the others, after all he was itching for war with Germany his entire career.

          But one thing I’ll never do is spit on the grave of the English.

          I think a lot of nationalists spend too much time debating the past at the expense of the present struggle. The past is what shaped us and put is where we are today, but too many let the past dominate their thinking and allow it to take their gaze away from building the world we need to have.

          Tell me something. Are there any serious nationalist groups in England? I have heard some pretty pessimistic reports from other English racialists at another site. The general thinking amongst them is that England is too liberal to survive on its own and if it does survive it will be only because of liberation by friendly forces from the continent.

          • David Ashton

            Churchill’s itch for war against Germany began to take serious shape in the mid-1930s and was not helped by Hitler’s refusal to meet him on a visit to Germany on the pretext that he hadn’t shaved that morning. David Irving’s biography of Churchill has much important material, but I agree that all this is blood under the bridge, and that obsessions with National Socialism, either totally for or totally against, have beset “white nationalist” movements, e.g. the Jordan-Tyndall-Bean-Griffin roundabouts within the BNP1/National Front/BNP2 etc. Major problems with nationalist groups in England have been splittism, personal vanity, class division, agents provocateurs, blanket media hostility, dummy alternatives, cranks and criminals, but above all lack of sufficient funds. I would like other Britons to comment on your last sentence.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Churchill’s itch for war against Germany began to take serious shape in the mid-1930s . . ..

            I seem to recall Churchill baying for German blood in the 1910s. I’ll definitely have to read Irving’s material on this to get a firmer grasp on the details and timeline.

            I agree this should be blood under the bridge, so to speak. I would like nothing more for Europe than for England and Germany to lead Europe’s salvation together as Germanic brethren.

          • David Ashton

            See if you can obtain a library copy of Oswald Mosley’s book “The Alternative” published contra mundum after the war. The only thing he later said he regretted and would be happy to withdraw was adverse comment on the Slav peoples therein. There is also a shrewd critique of Churchill in his essay collection “Policy and Debate”.

            In today’s leftist “The Guardian” (January 31) which runs editorially on the theme of western, white and especially British “guilt” for this, that and anything else, there is an article by Simon Jenkins complaining about the patriotic celebration of our heroic servicemen in WW1, with which I disagree, but also “apologising” for the perpetual anti-Germanism that besets our school curriculum [the “Holocaust” is the only topic that is compulsory by statute] media and politics; “Of some 800 books a year written on Hitler, 80% emanate from Britain…Television schedules…opera sets, costume dramas, video games, comics. Nazis charge from every orifice.” This may be a Communist or a Zionist interest, but it is not an English or European one.

            Now I do not think my children and my children’s children should inherit or feel any collective racial guilt for “the Holocaust” or “Slavery”, or for a war a century ago. But they should certainly appreciate Jenkins’ other point: “Britain and Germany have always seemed to me to be the two European countries that have most in common, including a shared Anglo-Saxon ancestry.” As that wartime poster, ironically facing Churchill in the opposite direction to his aircraft, said, “Let us go forward together.”

            The worms are turning, but it is up to us to turn them in great dragons.

        • Bantu_Education

          “The best were ever divided; the worst were usually united” (Mosley 1947).

          Good quote, and so true nowadays – thankyou.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Liz Royal has betrayed her people. She used to be the Defender of the Faith…now she’s the Defender of the FaithS. I’ve lost all respect for the Queen.

          • David Ashton

            The Queen operates within the constitutional trap of “advice from her [elected] ministers” who have incrementally undermined the meaning of her Coronation Oath. The answer in Britain is for us to change the political system, a lot more difficult than for the republicans to jettison the Monarchy altogether. There are things in favour of the Queen and Prince Charles I prefer not to state explicitly on this site. I am more worried about the subversive attacks by the “Cultural Marxists” on all our institutions and national identity than about the personalities in the Royal Family.

        • saxonsun

          You’re also correct about Churchill.

    • saxonsun

      Beautiful. I have always felt this way. Anyone who doesn’t just isn’t getting it. And people like that can never be white realists.

      • David Ashton

        Thank you. Let’s use AmRen to get friends together

  • 2eRep

    Forced labor is the answer.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Deportation is the answer. Those people have no business being in England.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        Deportation is the only answer. I’m sick and tired of being told that whites have to form enclaves and segregated communities in the countries built by our ancestors.

        When these third world countries demanded independence from their former European colonial masters, they either forcibly expelled the white colonists or made living conditions so difficult that whites had no choice except to leave or face eventual genocide at the hands of the natives.

        The non-whites never allowed us to form our own independent communities or separate enclaves in either Africa or Asia. So why should it be any different when it comes to our countries?

        I say get rid of the racial foreigners. There shouldn’t be any non-whites in Britain or any other white country for that matter.

        • David Ashton

          Your second and third paragraphs are important, and need to be given prominence in repatriation propaganda, along with all the evidence of repatriations, deportations, population transfers and ethnic cleansings in the “third world”.

  • bigone4u

    Obvious conclusions (obvious to any but a libtard):
    1. Immigration presents insurmountable problems that can’t be fixed.
    2. Thus, immigration should be curtailed and the immigrants sent back home.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      There’s no sensible political or economic justification for massive third world immigration. It’s useless, worthless and serves absolutely no purpose, other than to ethnically cleanse whites in their own countries.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Whites everywhere are ashamed to be white. Why is that? It’s because white pride, white power, and white self interest are associated with nazism. And decent, honorable whites will not associate themselves with a sick, genocidal philosophy. Nazism has done more damage to the white race than anything else in human history.

    • Long Live Dixie

      It’s because white pride, white power, and white self interest are associated with nazism.

      You have vastly oversimplified it. Why are those things you listed associated with National-Socialism? Have you ever asked yourself that? Why are equality, race-mixing, etc., not associated with Communism? And why is being associated with Communism not even that bad of a taboo in mainstream circles?

      Nazism has done more damage to the white race than anything else in human history.

      Really? More than Communism that selectively killed the best and brightest in droves?

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Naziism is a PR holocaust.

        Sort of like Jennifer Lopez.

        • Long Live Dixie

          Maybe people like “NoMosqueHere” should stop bringing it up.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Maybe people like my good friend Spartacus and many others should also stop bringing it up. I can’t remember the last time someone brought it up before someone brought up the other thing.

            Perhaps my memory is selective, but I seem to remember FAR more anti-Jew insinuations than defenses of the Jews and hardly ever has the anti-Jew commentary been in response to someone like No Mosque starting the discussion.

            Eskimos and chosen people and the tribe and whatever other reference to the Hebrews is ALWAYS seen here and any commentary contrary almost always seems to occur in response.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            If AmRen is truly a race realist site, then there should be open and honest discussion about the Joo Question. I don’t see why anything should be off limits, as long as it is based on empirically verifiable data. The Joo Question, like the Negro Question, is one that can be intelligently discussed using an abundance of scientific evidence. IMO There’s a big difference between someone discussing Joodaism as a group evolutionary strategy and paranoid ranting about Joos being behind every catastrophe in history, which is absurd.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I agree. I like discussing it up to a point.

            The fact that Jews are indeed disproportionately represented in finance and entertainment, that many do indeed follow a quasi-Marxist ideology – especially the wealthiest and most influential – even the sobering power and influence of AIPAC (which is a bone of contention among liberals as well, by the way)…

            And so much more IS a legitimate topic that SHOULD be discussed rationally and respectfully – ie constructively.

            Let me throw this out there, just to make a point, OK. I’m not Irish. Actually a major branch of my family DID reside in Ireland, but they were English minor nobility who were not in Ireland to be nice to the Irish. They had been granted land from the evil old English in return for service to the king, and eventually a younger son, out of the inheritance as a result of old laws of primogeniture, ended up over here.

            Another big part of my heritage is Scottish. Celtic brothers of the Irish, you know.

            Robert the Bruce. Contrary to that Mel Gibson flick, Robert the Bruce was the real hero of Scotland. A lion of a Scot. Came close to conquering England with considerably less population to draw upon. At one point the Irish offered him the Crown of Ireland (a rather strange offer considering the fact that the Irish were about as unified as the Holy Roman Empire at the time and had been for centuries). Robert the Bruce accepted and for a while ruled both Scotland and Ireland.

            Problems arose, however, when he returned to Scotland and tried to continue his fight with the English. The Irish started acting precisely as they had under the English (and this being before they had the excuse of religion to puke up), squabbling amongst themselves, pursuing vendettas, causing general chaos to the point of being ungovernable. Eventually the Scots found themselves in precisely the same position as the awful old English, continually having to divert resources from their struggle with England to put down one crazy Irish revolt after another until the Irish hated them as much as they hated the English and the Scots learned to return the favor.

            Unlike the English, Robert the Bruce had the sense to abdicate the “Crown of Ireland” and vowed to never take it ever again under any circumstances.

            The Irish.

            Hey…remember the IRA? Irish Republican Army. Murderous terrorists who insisted Protestant Northern Ireland leave the UK (against the will of the majority Protestant Irish) and join with Catholic Ireland. People resent the Jews who seem more loyal to Israel, giving money to, influencing politics toward…but how about the millions of Irish Americans who funneled God-knows-how much money and succor over the course of a century to their kinsmen in the old country?

            Ever heard of the Fenian Society? Wiki it. Fascinating stuff. From the end of the American Civil War until the 20th century the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were used primarily as a form of gendarme that guarded British Canada from Irish American filibusterers who mounted at least one full scale invasion that resulted in a set piece field battle in Ottawa, and countless often savage incursions along the US-Canada border. Several attempted invasions were turned back at the border by US officials, but Irish-American politicians and financiers continually attempted to undermine US law and diplomatic relations between the US and the UK throughout this period, desiring to drag the country into an insane war with the Brits…

            Sound familiar?

            Now…

            1. Apologies if I’ve offended the Irish. Such was only tangentially my purpose. I like the Irish, respect their scrappiness (we need more of that these days for certain), and can only keep up with them in the drinking as a result of my Scottish genes…but…

            2. Shall we start offending out Irish brothers and sisters by engaging in offensive and mean spirited debate regarding “the Irish Question”? Certainly it’s a topic of interest, as is any historical theme relating to our folk, but…

            It would be wrong and counterproductive to simply engage in mean spirited, divisive and insulting bickering and it would be DISRESPECTFUL of the IRISH, who are welcome here and who should not be lied about, insulted, nor goaded – which is all too often how it goes with the JEWS.

            Again. Respect. If you don’t respect the Jews, that’s your business (not singling you out, OK, the “you” being rhetorical), but if you post here and insist on breaking the rules of the HOUSE…and cause dissent…

            Anyway, yeah, brother, I agree. I WOULD like to freely discuss the Jew Question, including with Jews who post here, but…
            Let’s not insult ourselves or each other by lying about the true nature of what many REALLY want to do when they “discuss the Jews”.

            I’m not an idiot, understand? Neither are you.

          • David Ashton

            The first questions are whether informed discussion of historical “antisemitism” will (a) fit into the space available on AmRen and (b) how some posts will be selected by opponents to discredit the site.

            Your last sentence is an allusion to Kevin MacDonald’s work, which certainly needs to be taken on board by all concerned. The support many Jews have given and still give to multiculturalism and immigration has several motives, but it has had a setback for them with the arrival in vast numbers of Muslims and other Israel-hating third-worlders.

            It is quite clear that “The Holocaust” is used simultaneously to (a) protect Israel and Jews from “anti-semitism” and (b) open other nationhoods to attack under the flags of “anti-racism”, etc. I have noted this unanswerable point in another recent thread.

            But these matters are all quite complicated, and deserve the light of knowledge rather than the heat of hatred, on all sides.

          • Who Me?

            I don’t really have any ax to grind with Jewish people. However, I wonder if the same vilification of Nazi’s (naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, etc.) is the same reason that the Knockout game never got reported or given recognition until Jews were seemingly targeted, over and above the rest of us Gentile Whites?

          • Long Live Dixie

            I wonder if the same vilification of Nazi’s . . ..

            One thing about the vilification of “Nazis” is even the word itself. “Nazi” is a slur akin to “Commie”. When was the last time anyone heard the mainstream media talk about Commies or neo-Commies?

          • Long Live Dixie

            You know, being anti-Jewish doesn’t automatically make you a National-Socialist. National-Socialism is a specific worldview. It is much more complex that just disliking Jews. There are many opponents of Jewry who are not National-Socialist and opposition to Jewry far predates National-Socialism.

            What I have found about the people at Stormfront and most of the white nationalists out there is that they like the racial aspects of National-Socialism but either don’t know the rest or dismiss the rest. I question whether Americans can be National-Socialists at all because there is no American nation.

            I find NoMosqueHere’s sentiment to be more anti-German than anti-NS. He is effectively shifting blame for the downfall of the West away from the Communists, the liberals, and that tribe whom we’re not supposed to talk about, and putting the blame onto the Germans. He discounts the enormous effort put forth by the victors to brainwash the white masses and to force those who were not brainwashed to accept integration, immigration, etc. He acts as though there was just a spontaneous and un-manipulated reaction by whites the world over. He ignores the enormous cover-up of Allied crimes by the victors. (Speaking of which, today being the 30th of January, Google Wilhelm Gustloff.) He is leading us down the dangerous path of German-hatred. Those same sentiments have already caused the Anglosphere to be hoodwinked into ripping Europe to pieces. The fact is that there will be no European rebirth without Germany. Germany has been the heart of Europe since the Holy Roman Empire.

            As a matter of reasoning, I find it weak to blame the losers of a war – who have no political power at all today – for the actions taken by the victors of a war. I would say that applies to just about any similar situation.

  • r j p

    I will bet there are 100,000+ living in Chicago that can’t speak English.

  • Whitey Ryan

    I am amazed how native British males haven’t started a revolution yet.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      I am amazed at how native white males anywhere haven’t started a revolution yet, especially in the United States where a white nationalist revolution is long overdue.

      • Whitey Ryan

        You’re right.

  • Brian

    “They will not advance until they accept that it is a good thing to marry someone who is actually born in the Bradford district and not from Mirpur [the district of Kashmir].
    ===
    So they don’t speak English, and are a total economic drain on Britain. She admits they were brought here simply to f*** England to death.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    While both are bad and cause a lot of problems, legal immigration from the third world is a much bigger problem and far worse than any illegal immigration. Legal immigration will lead to an even bigger disaster than immigration of the illegal kind.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Hey…apologies if I offended, just trying to make a point and thanks for the thoughtful and relevant reply.

    I’m actually a convert to Catholicism though I’ve not practiced in a while and definitely hold heretical views. I really have a lot of respect for you guys. In fact my folk really did treat you fellows quite unfairly for a very long time.

    I often speculate that the Sociology, when applied to groups of peoples of similar capacity, such as the English and Irish, holds up pretty well when explaining group pathologies, that the real experiences of the Irish vis-à-vis the English, serve as a testament to what Sociology got right. Unfortunately when one puts a crypto-Marxist spin on it and attempts to explain all human group behavior regarding groups of significantly different base capacities, it falls apart and serves only as a witch hunt tool, unfairly condemning more able groups for the pathologies of less able ones.

    Not discounting small genetic differences between our peoples, but I’ve always held that most, if not the vast majority of any pathologies the Irish suffered were indeed the result of centuries of humiliation and exploitation (I hate using those lefty tainted terms but…) at the hands of an oppressor.

    You guys are pretty scrappy though. Of course my Scots highlander ancestors have a well earned reputation in this regard as well…

    Good. We need that.

    I love White diversity. So many varied talents to draw upon.

    • Whitey Ryan

      I am half Irish, half Italian and I’m not offended in the least by your posts, brother.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Hey thanks. Good pedigree. Throw in a little Polish and some old New England stock and you have a good snapshot of the metropolitan Northern standard White.

        Had a good friend in college who was like 3/4 Polish, pops from Hell’s Kitchen. Last name “Smith”. I quipped that that must have been the other quarter, but no. Turns out the Smith came from the Polish fella who first arrived there and realizing his name was almost unpronounceable to the natives asked the guys at Ellis Island what a common American/English name was.

        “Smith?”

        “OK. Smith. I’m Smith!”

        I can’t remember what the original name was. It was almost unpronounceable, lol…

        • Whitey Ryan

          North Jersey here. Hell’s Kitchen was a tough blue collar neighborhood in those days. Mostly Irish, but with plenty of Germans, Poles and Italians. No Joos even, that was Lower East Side.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yeah, his old man was a tough guy and involved in some sketchy stuff. Found out he was ate up with cancer and shotgunned his head off one hot summer day, my friend finding him roughly a week later.

            That was a rough one.

    • Iron Helm

      Does the English pathology vis-á-vis the Irish hold up also? Just what exactly separates a legitimate oppressor from an illegitimate one?

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Well…no true Scotsman and all, lol…

        Certainly arguable. I’m certainly not a fan for the living being held responsible for the actions of the dead.

        The sins of the father are visited onto the son, but this is a very wise observation, not a call to punish the son…

  • Katherine McChesney

    Where is Emma West today?

  • Greg Thomas

    800,000 is nothing! We have milions in this country who do not speak a word of English and are so called “legal” immigrants.

  • David Ashton

    Actually it doesn’t, and in any case “an economy is not a country”. Apart from the short-term profits for some business interests, we are dealing with the ideological residue of “Cultural Marxism” plus the maliciously cosmpolitan leftists still engaged in replacing patriotism with a pernicious form of socialism.

  • Truth Teller

    Neanderthal DNA
    I had no opinion about Jews other than the Israel Exodus movie and novel myth until I sat down at a computer in the federal court house and looked up the names of attorneys on the anti White side of the affirmative action lawsuits.
    Of about 800 pro affirmative action lawsuits,720 had blatantly, obviously Jewish names. I did not count names like Becker and Kaufman. VNN has a good article on the overwhelmingly Jewish attorneys involved on the integration side of Brown vs Topeka. The funding came from AJC, ADL etc and the then haute WASP Ford Foundation.
    I’ll be honest. Affirmative action destroyed my career, finances and family. My opinion of both Jews and White women stem from my personal experience.
    It is the judiciary that has done the damage. And the anti White lawsuits were always filed and won by Jewish attorneys and funded by Jewish organizations. Look at the names.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I feel your pain. No joking.
      Good point.

  • JohnEngelman

    People should not be allowed to immigrate to a country unless they know the language, and unless they have a job waiting for them.