Why Teachers of Color Quit

Amanda Machado, The Atlantic, December 23, 2013

I became a teacher because of where I came from.

I grew up in a middle-class family with immigrant parents from Mexico and Ecuador. When I was four years old, we moved to a predominantly white, upper-class neighborhood in Tampa, Florida to ensure that my siblings and I would attend the best public schools in my district. While studying at these schools gave us great educational opportunities, it also exposed us to significant racism. Teachers placed my brother in English as a Second Language classes, even though he was born in the United States and a native English speaker. Teachers hesitated to place me in advanced classes, stating that “Latinos rarely do well in them” and laughed at my goal of going to Brown University. With little support from teachers and with my family’s inexperience with the public education system in this country, I struggled to find the resources I needed to get admitted into top-tier schools. Experiencing these educational inequalities firsthand made me want to solve them. I decided to join Teach for America.

I joined the Bay Area corps after graduating Brown in 2010 and taught ninth-grade English at a charter school outside Oakland. Yet after finishing my two-year commitment, I realized that though my background may have brought me to teaching in the first place, it now had become one of the factors that drove me to quit the profession.

Several recent articles—“Why Do Teachers Quit?,” “I Quit for Teach for America,”  “I Almost Quit Teach for America”—raised reasonable concerns about the difficulties of teaching in predominantly black and Latino, low-income communities: the inadequate training, the poor classroom conditions, the inability to maintain work-life balance. Yet as I read these articles, I realized they still had not discussed some of the specific struggles I encountered as a teacher of color. A 2005 University of Pennsylvania study by Richard Ingersoll found that teachers of color left the profession 24 percent more often than white teachers. According to the National Education Association, “The declining numbers of Black and Hispanic students majoring in education is steeper than the overall decline in education majors” and “Minority teachers leave teaching at higher rates than white teachers do.” These statistics made me think about the unique difficulties I and other teachers of color I knew had faced. When discussing teacher turnover, it’s important to address these challenges in hopes of finding ways to make more teachers of all backgrounds stay in the profession.

The articles I just cited expressed the difficulty of teaching students when knowing little about their backgrounds. In the piece “I Almost Quit Teach for America,” the author wrote about how hard it was for her to teach students when she’d rarely had “meaningful exposure to anyone outside my social class.” She spoke of needing “some way to begin to understand where my students were coming from.”  In contrast, many teachers of color struggle with knowing too much. Because our backgrounds often parallel those of our students, the issues in our classrooms hit us more personally. This ultimately places an extreme amount of pressure on us to be good teachers immediately, since we know or have experienced ourselves the consequences of an insufficient education. A Latino Teach for America alum in Miami told me: “While teaching, I was acutely conscious of the fact that I wouldn’t have obtained the same level of success if my own teachers had not given everything they had to push me to where I needed to be. This intensified the pressure I already felt to do well. ”

I knew what happened when our kids failed at school—many of my relatives and friends had failed, and some never recovered. Relatives and friends who had dropped out of school now lived in poverty, became alcoholics, or spiraled into depression. With these pictures in my mind, the job became almost a matter of life and death. With every lesson I planned, I had this big-picture anxiety: I worried that if I did not teach this lesson impeccably, in a way that compelled my students to stay committed to their education in the long-term, my students would inherit the same fates of so many people I knew. I worried that my failure would ultimately become theirs.

The racial identity I shared with my students made me even more sensitive to their struggles, particularly when few other teachers at my school had this same connection. Though 40 percent of students in the American public education system are black and Latino, only 13 percent of teachers nationwide are. In Teach for America specifically, 90 percent of the students corps members teach are black and Latino, while 39 percent of corps members are teachers of color. While this lack of proportional diversity exists in several professions, when your job focuses on leading a mostly black and Latino student population to succeed academically and socially in a predominantly white society, race matters so much more.

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Yet still, many teachers seemed indifferent to discussing these issues at all. When Teach for America organized diversity sessions, many teachers in the corps would skip the sessions or come back telling me, “I am so sick of being forced to talk about this.” In one diversity session, so many teachers walked out in the middle of the meeting that corps members all received an email from the Teach for America Bay Area Director asking why so many people had left. A white teacher told me, “All those sessions do is make us all feel uncomfortable.” As a person who had spent a large part of my life as a person of color in predominantly white, upper-class spaces feeling uncomfortable, I felt frustrated that other Teach for America teachers did not want to tolerate just a few hours of this discomfort trying to discuss issues that could help the population their position focused on serving.

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Financial matters can further alienate teachers of color from coworkers. Teachers from well-to-do families have the advantage of accepting a low-paying teaching position and still having money available to them through other means. They have the comfort of knowing their families could help them out in the case of an emergency, or satisfy the occasional craving for luxury when they couldn’t afford it themselves. Teachers from lower-income backgrounds do not have this same sense of security. Often, we are the ones responsible for supporting our families, instead of the other way around. In Teach for America specifically, 39 percent of their teachers of color received Pell grants in college, meaning their families had incomes roughly below $23,000. I knew several teachers of color who had the responsibility of sending money home or otherwise contributing to paying family expenses.

Also, though some teacher training programs, including Teach for America, allow teachers to defer student loans during a short period of time, afterwards, teachers from low-income backgrounds still have to confront this debt. This makes committing long-term to a salary with little likelihood of ever making more money harder to justify. When I saw teachers from wealthier backgrounds stay in the profession, I had to remind myself that they, through their family or connections, could more easily tolerate a teaching salary knowing they would always have access to a lifestyle my family and I could only aspire to.

That life-long aspiration is the last issue that teachers from lower-income backgrounds struggle with. There is something disheartening about working so hard to honor your family’s sacrifices, only to find that your job has not improved your family’s situation. Twenty-seven percent of Teach for America teachers of color are the first in their families to earn a college degree. Many more are the first to go to a top-ranked school. To people from our backgrounds, admittance to college is not seen as only an opportunity for intellectual pursuits. It is seen, as my mother always used to tell me, as “a great equalizer,” a way of escaping the lower social status and finally gaining the respect or financial success of the upper class.

As a result, with our academic accomplishments comes pressure to choose a career that proves you have truly “made it.” This all makes the lack of prestige and the relatively low financial rewards of teaching particularly demoralizing. According to the National Education Association, the national average starting teacher salary in the 2011-2012 school year was $35,672. Without a financial incentive for a career in social service, it can seem more socially acceptable to only pursue this kind of work temporarily: a short stint of self-sacrifice to prove our altruism, before moving on to something more financially ambitious. An article on the National Education Association’s website admitted this when describing reasons for the national shortage of teachers of color: “Salaries are low for teachers compared to salaries for other professionals, which lowers the prestige and social value of a career in teaching for many potential minority teachers. Secretary Arne Duncan addressed this issue when he called for a $60,000 starting salary in August 2011: “Many bright and committed young people are attracted to teaching, but they are reluctant to enter the field for the long-haul. They see it as low-paying and low-prestige,” he said.

My roommate, a Latina graduate of the University of Southern California and a former chemistry teacher for Teach for America, expressed this concern when she left the classroom after her second year to pursue a career as a medical doctor. Her parents had worked their way out of poverty in Mexico through education and obtained scholarships to get Ph.D.’s in chemistry in the United States. She said, “After all that, to become a teacher making $39,000 a year? That feels like failure.” Another friend, a black Teach for America alum from an immigrant Haitian family who also left the profession after two years, expressed the same inner conflict saying, “At least for me another consideration was the life I would be giving my kids. By staying in teaching, I was setting myself up to struggle to provide for them in the same things my family struggled to provide for me.”

My parents both came to the United States with nothing, worked their way through college. They made sacrifices for my siblings and me to grow up in a middle-class neighborhood and attend the best schools possible. My mother began working as a teacher only after my father lost his job and the family needed more income. During that time, I would see her come home exhausted after 12-hour workdays. She took anxiety medication for the first time in her life to deal with the stress. When I saw myself, with an Ivy League degree that she and my father had worked hard to make possible, in the same profession as her, I felt I had done pretty poor job of repaying them. It didn’t seem logical to voluntarily do what she was forced to do, to make her same salary and work her same grueling hours. I wanted to fulfill her wish of a better life, not an equally hard one. I feared that my profession could never truly feel like an improvement. Though I considered teaching an honorable profession where I could give back to my community, after only two years, I felt I needed more to sustain me.

I sent in my resignation later in March. “The physical and emotional commitment that are required to teach well became overwhelming and left little time for me to focus on myself and the other aspects of my life that truly made me happy,” I wrote. Though this was true, what I left out was that the overwhelming “emotional commitment” mostly came from the connection of sharing a background with my students. And though my salary was enough to give me a comfortable lifestyle, and save a decent amount of money, it did not make me feel like I had used my education to pursue a career that was reputable, a career that made my family’s legacy “better.”

When I explained to my students my decision for leaving, many understood. A few even said, “The teachers of color always leave quickly.” Others told me, “We actually always wondered why you were here in the first place. After all that work, why aren’t you chasing your dreams, instead of ours?” Others said, “If I was in your position, I’d probably leave too.”  These comments did not comfort me. Instead, they highlighted how even children could recognize that teaching was not a profession to aspire to, and one that people of color, for one reason or another, often abandoned.

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  • So CAL Snowman

    “We actually always wondered why you were here
    in the first place. After all that work, why aren’t you chasing your
    dreams, instead of ours?” Others said, “If I was in your position, I’d
    probably leave too.” These comments did not comfort me. Instead, they
    highlighted how even children could recognize that teaching was not a
    profession to aspire to, and one that people of color, for one reason or
    another, often abandoned.”

    I wish all of you guys could see and hear this, I’m playing the world’s saddest song on the world’s smallest violin.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Whiney article from a member of the Latino Grievance Industry.

      • sbuffalonative

        I know. How do these people go on when their lives are affected by the white man’s racism and hate, 27 hours a day, 7 day a week, 365 day of the year? Never laugh. Never smile. Always oppressed.

      • Extropico

        The Latina should have apologized to the White American whose place at Brown she misappropriated.

      • blight14

        I saw your post on the original article…..there are some VASTLY confused individuals on that site!

    • shawnmer

      Of all the other questionable “information” this piece purports to relay, I say this without hesitation: That statement never happened! No inner city kid ever said any such thing to this woman, because none of them care.

    • Aditya Vivek Barot

      I wonder why they all don’t leave. I fantasize about being a Hindu George Soros: seizing property belonging to Hindu and other Indian subcontinent populations and deporting them en masse.

      Most immigrants are so repulsive that I refuse to associate with them. Not only do they not like the US, they actively despise it. They do everything in their power to turn this country into the dysfunctional cesspool they escaped.

      That’s isn’t even in one’s naked self interest. Any rational non white should instinctively understand that it’s the white majority that makes this country a first world and first rate nation. When that disappears, we’ll have nothing but outright tyranny or the most horrifying anarchy.

      Hindus are among the worst offenders. Can you name a single Hindu school, college or hospital? They have not the least bit of love for this nation and view it as nothing more than a business or a cash-cow for bilking.

      • Jotun Hunter

        i admire your honesty – however id take a hundred hindu families over a single muslim one

      • Katherine McChesney

        Any society that worships cows and ignores the needs of starving people is a satanic one.

    • Funruffian

      If you are a white man and you teach in a diverse district where Whites are the minority, it is really a drag. Besides being in an environment where you feel very different, you are also outnumbered by women. White men only comprise of 13% of the teachers in public schools and the percentage continues to decline. Schools are also unhealthy environments where there are many factors hazardous to your well-being: germs, fights, violence, adolescent misbehavior, and all sorts of negative energy.

  • dd121

    Once integration took place in education, it ruined the schools for the whites, the blacks, and the teachers. The teaching profession has become a hell-hole created by the left.

    • John Smith

      I recommend two articles by Jared Taylor:

      “The Myth of Diversity”

      “Who Still Believes in Integration”?

      Even after all these years of being awakened, still two of the best articles I hare ever read…you won’t be disappointed.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    “When Teach for America organized diversity sessions, many teachers in the corps would skip the sessions or come back telling me, ‘I am so sick of being forced to talk about this’ . . . A white teacher told me, ‘All those sessions do is make us all feel uncomfortable.’”

    ===

    Bravo! It’s a hopeful sign that many white teachers resist the relentless diversity/white guilt propaganda raining down on them from the central offices of government school systems.

    ===
    Admissions officers at Ivy League universities admit Latinos with average SAT scores 180 points lower (on a 1600 point scale) than the average SATs of white students. This resentful Latino is lucky to have an Ivy degree. Many better qualified whites were passed over to give her that opportunity. Will similar “affirmative action” in the next phase of her life give her — and other similarly aggrieved “persons of color” — the jobs/incomes/positions to which they feel entitled? How many whites will have to be passed over to produce this outcome?

    • kenfrombayside

      This angry person is moaning that she make $39k yr. That is more then me.

      • Oil Can Harry

        That $39 grand is only starting pay- top pay averages $67,000. Not great money but not bad either.

        They also get something like 9 weeks paid vacation a year.

        • MikeofAges

          Many police officers, firefighters, enlisted career military members, postal workers and other public employees also have college degrees. If teacher pay does not compare to these people, then we’ll talk, because these are the people whom teachers compare to as a segment of the work force. I have had a lot of contact with public education as an I adult thank to my reporting career. I can tell you, the teachers who seemed most capable of larger success in the private sector were the ones who complained the least. Teachers seemed to me hardworking and dedicated, but they came across as more than a little myopic in their view of the world too.

      • Brian

        I wonder how much she’d be making back in her ancestral Crapistan.

    • Erasmus

      What was her “degree” in? Chicano Studies? That most who attend Ivy League schools are bright is a very common misconception.

    • pcmustgo

      Poetry readings, diversity sessions, interacting with non-whites, always geared towards “making whites uncomfortable”… that is always the goal. For whites to feel uncomfortable all the time.

  • Not one hint or allusion here that the reason for all this is that black and Hispanic students don’t have the IQ to be able to absorb and sustain a high level of education and knowledge.

    • RisingReich

      Neither do the black ‘teachers’ that teach them. Talk about a double whammy.

  • Eric Shun

    “…we moved to a predominantly white, upper-class neighborhood in Tampa,
    Florida to ensure that my siblings and I would attend the best public
    schools in my district. While studying at these schools gave us great
    educational opportunities, it also exposed us to significant racism. Teachers placed my brother in
    English as a Second Language classes, even though he was born in the
    United States and a native English speaker. Teachers hesitated to place
    me in advanced classes, stating that “Latinos rarely do well in them”
    and laughed at my goal of going to Brown University.”

    I call complete B.S. Amanda Machado is a liar.

    • dulouz

      She really goes on about how really bad life is here.

      • Katherine McChesney

        She should investigate the land of her ancestors….Spain. It’s a nightmare there at present. She should be grateful we allow her to live in this country. After all, all her ‘achievements’ were give to her courtesy of Whites who made her education possible.

        • Brian

          Her parents were from Mexico and Ecuador. I’d guess most of her ancestors spoke Quechua or Nahuatl.

      • She whines about how living among whites is such a terrible burden, but won’t leave.

    • shawnmer

      My thoughts there exactly. Given her age – graduating college in 2010 – no way in hell any teacher of that modern, P.C. era said any such thing to her.

    • bigone4u

      I also thought she was a creative fiction major. The truth is these race hustlers make up stories. Think Tawana Brawley.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      Exactly. If a white had said that to her, she would have reported them and they would have been severely reprimanded, if not fired.

    • ms_anthro

      Especially because she is from Florida. Florida isn’t exactly a hotbed of anti-Latino activity.

    • Andy

      I’m guessing the brother spoke broken English in spite of being born here, a teacher told her she’d probably struggle in an advanced class because “English language learners” had trouble in it, and didn’t seem satisfactorily encouraging about her Brown dreams because she wasn’t bright enough to get in on her intellectual merits.

      • Yancy Derringer

        I think she made it up from whole cloth.

    • Yancy Derringer

      Yes, my BS meter was ringing when I read that, too. All in all, this is a ridiculous story written by an idiot accustomed to too much “privelege.”

      • Major

        The list of 2013 Hoax’s just hit the press…this one might be getting a jump on the 2014 hoax’s?

    • Massif1

      Plenty of blacks and latinos are born in America and still have to attend ESL in school.

  • bigone4u

    I stopped reading the article about a third the way through. I was becoming nauseous from the self-righteousness. And it was clear that I would have wade through a bunch of PC garbage. No thanks.

  • Spartacus

    Why do they let dark-skins become teachers ? They can’t learn anything themselves, let alone teach others…

  • Bobbala

    It’s like naggers that don’t understand why you look down on them when they aks a question.
    How could they put a “native English speaker” in an English as a Second Language classes????

    • They weren’t natives, only pretended to be.

      • IstvanIN

        They were “natives” all right.

  • Teachers …. laughed at my goal of going to Brown University.

    While Brown might be Ivy, nobody “dreams of going to Brown” ….
    Especially to study education.

  • Lewis33

    I see the Atlantic is going to be the next to eliminate comments…I was surprised at how many told the writer to quit whining.

    • Yancy Derringer

      The Atlantic’s quality has plunged in recent years. All that remains of this once thoughful periodical is the name, and that’s good for only so many more miles.

      • Brian

        They did have a good article a few years ago about the ‘unintended, surprising consequences’ of Section 8 housing and decentralization from the projects. Of course, the results were not surprising, and probably not unintended, but they did detail the results.

  • Truthseeker

    If you read between the lines this whole piece can be summed up as: “White people aren’t doing enough to make things easier for minorities.” Since white people can never satisfy the demands minorities make of us, perhaps separation is the best solution. After all, if you non-whites are just as capable as we are, you should see the same levels of wealth and prosperity in your own self-made societies as we whites have in ours, right?

  • IstvanIN

    This entire story is a fabrication. Like any new hire, public school teachers start out on the low end of the pay scale but move up quickly. I seriously doubt one of her “students” ever thought let alone said, “We actually always wondered why you were here in the first place. After all that work, why aren’t you chasing your dreams, instead of ours?”

    I also believe that her brother needed ESL classes. Many Hispanics born in the US speak English poorly because their parents don’t use English at home and do not emphasize speaking English proficiently. I actually know a Cuban women who went to great lengths to make sure her kids spoke English like and American and not a Puerto Rican or black, as she put it.

    If this broad wants to make a difference let her go to Ecuador and teach there.

    • Katherine McChesney

      I knew children of Mexicans in California who had to accompany their parents to business meetings as the parents refused to learn English believing they would be betraying Mexico if they abandoned Spanish. However, they felt justified in living off the entitlements that White tax-payers made possible.

      • MikeofAges

        Yes, but. They emphatically do want their children to learn English and speak it properly. Mexicans are more culturally coherent than they are given credit. The parents who do not learn English may have tried a little and found themselves short on aptitude. Not unheard of. They know they are lower middle class or working class people and always will be. Learning English just doesn’t have a lot of priority for them. Been there, done that. Mexican parents want the school to teach their children English if they can’t themselves. Take my my word for it

        Mexican parents never supported bilingual education. It was forced on them by elites, Anglo liberals and radical Hispanics both. In California, bilingual education ended only when the voters made the state do it.

    • My daughter Ariadne speaks English with me and Japanese with Sayaka. My German makes me sound like an asthmatic schnauzer.

      • IstvanIN

        Being multi-lingual is a wonderful thing, but you would never allow your daughter to speak her native language like a foreigner, now would you? And that is the difference.

        • MikeofAges

          Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm put a great bottom line on the issue. He said, “It is a blessing to know another language, but a curse to live in a bilingual country.” Unless you happen to be Swiss, of course.

          • The individual Swiss cantons are close to being monolingual. I also have it on good authority that the French, Italians and Germans there are white, which makes Swiss “diversity” borderline false-advertising. Belgium is “diverse” too, but the French-speaking Catholic Walloons and the Dutch-speaking Protestant Flemish apparently can’t stand each other; a prospective Belgian breakup has been an on-again, off-again matter for some years. Elsewhere in Europe, Scotland is voting on secession from the UK at the end of this year. That issue is a bit sticky because the Scottish National Party is anti-nuclear, but the only British Royal Navy nuclear submarine base is at Faslane. Corsica still wants independence from France, northern Italy doesn’t like the south, Spanish Catalans have settled for local autonomy, but the Basques haven’t been bought off. Closer to home, Kansas thinks Colorado should give them more water. I agree, but only after we have finished showering and flushing our toilets with it.

          • MikeofAges

            Treated wastewater is great for irrigation. Generally, wastewater is treated to the point where it is potable, that is to say, not dangerous to life. But it is not and cannot legally be used for that purpose. More minimally treated water could be used for irrigation.

            Otherwise, I know about all the issues you have raised. People have a lot of issue other than language. Religion. Ethnicity. Culture.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    This simply does not ring true.

    The stories about White teachers trying to prevent him taking advanced classes, the boasting about the huge sense of responsibility for teaching excellently, the idea that the White teachers all come from ‘rich’ backgrounds. The fake moral anguish about leaving the profession.

    This stinks of dishonesty.

    • ms_anthro

      Are you trying to imply that this Wise Latina is lying for the purposes of self-aggrandizement and attention? Unthinkable!

  • MBlanc46

    Poor baby, life as a teacher is such a burden. Go get an affirmative action job in some corporation and stop whining.

  • MekongDelta69

    One comment before I go out:

    BOO HOO

    HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!

  • George Clark

    I have a BS in secondary ed, an MA in English Lit. Straight “A’s” on the MA, better than this greaser ever did. I work for Budweiser. Tell this whining AA mongrel to just STFU.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    This Latina sounds convinced that race matters and that students of one race learn best from a teacher of that same race. So Leftists excoriate whites who reach the same conclusion as this Latina, and then publish this article in support of the Latina and her conclusions. The double standard would be laughable of it wasn’t so damaging.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      That is also true in politics. That’s why it’s so important to have similar demographics move into leadership positions. The Black community only listens to Black leaders, the Hispanic to Hispanic leaders.

      But, Black & Hispanic leaders do the same thing as Black & Hispanic Teachers. They get a taste of money and then abandon their community and never look back (oh, and blame white people).

  • Frank_DeScushin

    The article gets bogged down with the author using the unwieldy “people of color” over and over again. She should use the synonymous but less cumbersome “colored people” instead. Oh, that’s right, one phrase is the preferred terminology of Leftists while the other phrase is supposedly racist even though they mean the exact same thing.

  • Stuart Brison

    ” Teachers from well-to-do families have the advantage of accepting a low-paying teaching position and still having money available to them through other means. ”

    I can`t believe this is relevant in many cases. “Okay, son, you only make 30 or 40 thousand as a teacher so I your dad will pay you an extra 20 or 30 thousand a year if the government won`t.”

    He`s really scraping the barrel for excuses here. And anyway I thought as a child he “moved to a predominantly white, upper-class neighborhood”?

    • Stuart Brison

      Sorry, going by the name “she” presumably, not “he”. For some reason it sounded more like a man whining.

      • Kit Ingoldby

        Like a completely Beta male.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I felt it was a whiny entitled female who will become a rabid feminist in time.

    • MikeofAges

      Parents or grandparents might kick in to get people over the bumps. Help with rental deposits. Help with getting a vehicle, including providing a hand-me-down vehicle. Cash for other things. I’m not going to say it doesn’t happen. But I doubt that happens in any high percentage of cases. Not to mention, don’t lower middle class people who have “worked hard” for decades have a little put away? This calls for a little social science. Who helps. Who doesn’t. Who can. Who can’t. Who gets. Who don’t.

      Just stinky old propaganda, if you ask me.

  • JohnEngelman

    Several recent articles—“Why Do Teachers Quit?,” “I Quit for Teach for America,” “I Almost Quit Teach for America”—raised reasonable concerns about the difficulties of teaching in predominantly black and Latino, low-income communities: the inadequate training, the poor classroom conditions.

    – Amanda Machado, The Atlantic, December 23, 2013

    A lot of them quit because the students are dangerous and stupid.

    • Jotun Hunter

      step 1 in the engeljew trolling handbook: say something agreeable

      • JohnEngelman

        Step one in your handbook is to say something disagreeable. You are obviously incapable of a civil debate over controversial issues.

        • Jotun Hunter

          on the contrary – I was perfectly willing to engage you until I realized you didn’t really have any valid viewpoints. All you do is regurgitate SAT scores – your theories are preposterous, you aren’t even at the big boys table yet you never shy from this condescending attitude, maybe throwing in a little reference to ‘we’ when discussing Taylor or Rushton like you’re all good buddies. By the time you reached your astounding ‘events of the past and present are meaningless because I have seen IQ scores and know the future’ argument you had already long relinquished whatever staid position of permanent annoyance you feel you’ve earned here. The worm has turned – the hour is late for you Engelman

          • JohnEngelman

            The hour never started for you.

          • Jotun Hunter

            don’t resort to insults engelman, you’re not creative enough – don’t give in to hate! it doesn’t fit your self-created image as thoughtful, professorial sage who never loses his cool. You are stunted at a certain stage, as though you received a head injury right at the point of discovering race realism and ventured no further out of your infantile liberalism. Too scared I would guess. The Asians, in the end, won’t want you either.

          • JohnEngelman

            When are you going to fulfill this promise?

            ” I’m ignoring you from here.”

        • Katherine McChesney

          John you constantly come across as arrogant and prissy. And your addiction to your ‘orientals’ is laughable. It sounds like you have some dysfunction related to women in general.

          • JohnEngelman

            The facts I post are perceived as “arrogant and prissy,” by those whose “thinking” is corrupted by fear, anger, and hatred.

          • Katherine McChesney

            You have no idea who I am. I am a race realist. And, I can tell you I can see through a dysfunctional man a mile away. You’re it.

          • JohnEngelman

            Claiming that the word “Oriental” is derogatory is as silly as claiming that the name “Redskins” is derogatory for the name of the Washington DC football team.

            Some people even complain that the word “Negro” is derogatory. That is political correctness run amok.

          • Major

            As far as I know, there’s still only 3 races: Caucasian / Caucasoid Mongoloid and Negroid.

          • JohnEngelman

            Where would you place Australian Aborigines and the native inhabitants of New Guinea?

          • Major

            I’d imagine they’d be sub Asian? They’re certainly not a separate race. Even dark skinned Indians are considered Caucasian, right?

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes and no. They are actually a hybrid of Caucasians and the same rate that is native to New Guinea and Australia.

          • MikeofAges

            The Australian “abs” are a mixture of Negroids and Caucasians from Central Asia. Both arrived long ages ago. May not do so well in modern society, but they were successful “abs” for a long time, able to survive in an often hostile habitat.

          • JohnEngelman

            DNA evidence indicates that modern humans left Africa about 60,000 years ago. The first place they show up in the fossil record is in Australia, about 50,000 years ago. Although they look similar to Negroes I have read that genetically they are most dissimilar.

          • MikeofAges

            Mitochondrial DNA studies indicated that “abos” are descended from Black Africans, with a Caucasian addition occurring at some time. Perhaps at the beginning. Perhaps later. This is reportedly, of course. From a journalistic source.

            A online paper suggested recurring waves of migration into Australia. Seems likely. It’s a big topic.

          • JohnEngelman

            When our ancestors left Africa 60,000 ago they were black Africans. Light skin only evolved as people moved to climates where there was less sunlight.

          • MikeofAges

            Which would argue for the later addition of the Caucasian type. But the mitochondrial DNA and male haplogroups show that the Caucasian is in there. According to the articles I have looked at, the Australians abos are pretty distinct from everybody, even though they look Negroid and apparently are predominantly escended from the first modern Black Africans.

          • Brian

            Many anthropologists use five: caucasian, negroid, mongoloid, malay/austronesian, and native american.

          • I also refer to them as “Orientals” because our cousins in Europe call subcontinentals “Asian”, and east Asians are quite different.

            I am married to a Japanese, but I call Sayaka “Japanese”.

          • Brian

            You need to check your computer for malware. It seems your browser has been hijacked and, once again, has sent you here instead of ‘Ashkenazi/Oriental Renaissance’.

          • JohnEngelman

            “Whence come these unreasonable hatreds, and why their unifying effect? They are an expression of a desperate effort to suppress an awareness of inadequacy…Self contempt is here transmuted into hatred of others.”

            – Eric Hoffer, from “The True Believer”

            That can certainly be said of those who hate Jews and Orientals, and who hate me for praising Jews and Orientals.

          • Brian

            I don’t hate Jews or Orientals. I hate you for wanting to replace me with them in my own homeland.

            As for my ‘awareness of inadequacy’, I am an electrical engineer and a member of Mensa. Compared to me, you may as well be a negro.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are inadequate for hating someone for his opinions. If you were sure of your competence you would not fear losing your job to a Jew or an Orientals. They have just as much right to be here as you do.

          • Brian

            I do not fear losing my job to a Jew or Oriental. I am concerned about my white brothers and sisters. Regardless of their intelligence, they are my extended family, and they do not deserved to be displaced from the civilization their ancestors built.

            As for the J&O, I would not displace a fellow natural-born US citizen. But there is no obligation on my part to welcome more non-white immigrants. Someone born in China does NOT have the right to attend university here, and apply for residency and/or citizenship. China is their nation, and the USA is mine. If you cannot acknowledge that, there is nothing more to say.

          • JohnEngelman

            The United States has always been a multi racial country.

          • Brian

            In 1965 the US was 88% white. By 2065 it will be about 38% white. ‘It’s always been multi-racial’ does not cut it. Why should Japan and Israel get to have their demographics as they see fit, and we can’t? Why are the nations of the West obligated to extinguish their qualities and character to accommodate the foreign swarm?

            Those like you will keep trying to push us into a corner. And it will end in blood.

          • MikeofAges

            American civilization always has been based on the Anglo-Saxon concept. The real foundation of America is that America is a Providential nation built upon the concept of modified British Israelism. That means that others are welcome to join in, provided they unreservedly sign on to the concept.

            I don’t have a single known European ancestor from west of a line through Oslo. And my father’s family is German Jewish, not Christian. Nevertheless, I have no problem with the concept If someone with can’t accept the concept and unreservedly see their progeny raised within it, in other words, be American, they don’t belong here. Sorry. Anything else is lipstick on pig.

          • JohnEngelman

            Anyone can claim any identity on the internet, and any number of accomplishments. If you really are “an electrical engineer and a member of Mensa” you would not be afraid of being replaced by a more intelligent Jew or Oriental.

            Also, if you are as intelligent as you claim to be your posts would indicate an intelligence they do not.

          • Brian

            Yes, I know, everything is a phobia these days. I cannot simply dislike something; I must be afraid of it. But I’m not sure how being intelligent implies I should accept the demographic replacement of those like myself. That seems to be the opposite of intelligent, in fact.

            In the future I will strive mightily to show my intellect in a way you can relate to– by stringing together Rushton, Jensen, and Taylor quotations in the style of an Ad Nauseam Madlibs Regurgitron 5000. Better?

          • He identifies himself as “white”. I’m not going to quibble over a person’s choice of religion, so long as it isn’t Islam. Whether Christian, Jewish or agnostic, Mr. Engelman would be irritating anyway, but he’s also usually right. He’d probably be a good dinner party guest, especially once he had a few stiff drinks in him.

          • Brian

            I agree on the religious aspect. I’m not saying JE is a tribesman and I wouldn’t care if he was. And there have been times when I’ve agreed with his position on something against voices of dissent (pushing back against the notion of Democrats always being worse than Republicans on absolutely every issue, or biological evolution vs. creationism, or the utility of violence/expulsion of blacks vs. segregation, et al.)

            What irritates me is the drumbeat of dogma that seems impervious to counter-argument or context, specifically about Ashkenazi/NE Asian superiority to whites, and the conclusion that a) indigenous whites of the West have no right to maintain their own nations based on blood/ethnicity/shared values, even though plenty of other countries do it; b) anyone who disagrees with him is ignorant or suffering from an inferiority complex.

            I agree that Euro Jews and Orientals have a higher average IQ than white gentiles. _But that is not the whole story._ It does not naturally lead to the over-reaching conclusions he draws, regardless of repetition. And to some extent, it’s orthogonal or even antagonistic to what this site is about. I have the highest IQ in my family. But there have been times when I’ve been down and out, and they’ve helped me. And I do the same for them. I had a mentally retarded uncle, IQ 65, and we were great buddies. We’re not Jeopardy competitors– we’re blood and kin, with different strengths. Am I supposed to favor some Korean immigrant stranger, IQ 115, over my own cousin, IQ 100? No. What is a nation, what is a race, but an extended family?

            I have some idea of who built western civilization, and America specifically, and I want their progeny to hold onto the land and extend what their forebears created, instead of being swarmed– regardless of swarmer vs. swarmee IQ. That is where JE and I disagree.

      • WR_the_realist

        If John Engelman says something you disagree with, fine, provide a polite counter argument. I do myself. Why do you have to start a flame war every time John Engelman says something you agree with? That looks very childish.

  • lurocp8

    In addition to previous comments that have alluded to the author most likely lying about her earlier educational experience(s), she unwittingly makes a plethora of comments that denigrates “her people” as well as most non-whites.

    She says. “I worried that if I did not teach this lesson impeccably, in a way that
    compelled my students to stay committed to their education in the
    long-term, my students would inherit the same fates of so many people I
    knew.”

    Although I can personally attest to the fact that the right kind of teacher can make learning more enjoyable, it’s generally your mother and father that instill the desire to “stay committed in the long-term.” In the absence of a proper household, more burden is now placed on everyone else (church pastors, school leaders, the community and of course, the government) for instilling commitment. And isn’t the above-mentioned entities what most blacks and Hispanics clamor on as to who should be doing more for their children?

    Later, she mistakenly assumes that all white teachers come from well-to-do families. Of course this is an outright lie, it plays well into her whole victim-hood fantasy.

    But mostly she fails to realize that teaching, when the classroom is filled with nothing but white kids, is fairly rewarding, which is why there are fewer resignations among white teachers and most likely, less stress and any kind of need for anxiety medications.

    Lastly, her continued whining about salary further perpetuates the stereotypical non-white way of thinking. White people think and plan for the future; their counterparts think only of the now. Certainly, $39,000 is not a lot of money, but when you consider that your stress levels are low (again, I’m only talking in terms of teaching white students and white students only), and that you get nights and weekends off, as well as most major holidays as well as a pension, it’s a little more attractive. Further, I’m under the impression that teachers get 12 weeks of vacation (i.e. summer break). So if you know compare that salary of $39,000 to say that of a retail manager (my profession) that only gets 2 weeks vacation per year and very few if any nights/weekends/holidays off, that pushes that salary to $50,000+ (the plus being the intangibles of not having to work nights and/or weekends).

    Obviously, this professional victim’s only concern is to be “financially ambitious.” (re: show off her bling). Being in an “honorable profession and giving back to her community” can’t sustain her. Is it any wonder that this kind of person is delusional enough to believe that a “short stint of self-sacrifice” is altruistic?

    That’s what almost all non-whites fail to understand. It isn’t necessarily our superior intellect (of which there is plenty), but rather our unlimited supply of intangibles (our altruism, our sense of family and community, willingness to help strangers, willingness to donate organs, our unfailing sense of community when disasters like hurricanes and/or floods destroy neighborhoods other than our own, even putting back our shopping cart at a store) that makes every white-majority neighborhood, town, city, state, province, country and so on, such an incredible place to live, that non-whites will leave all their possessions and families to do whatever is in their power to be a part of.

    That’s why Ms. Machado’s parents knew the only way to ensure little Amanda attended the “best public schools” was to move into a “predominantly white, upper-class neighborhood in Tampa.”

    Of course we all know that the “upper-class” connotation is irrelevant whenever the words “predominantly” and “white” are involved.

  • JackKrak

    “The racial identity I shared with my students made me even more sensitive to their struggles”

    Thanks, Mrs. Machado (does “Machado” mean “liar” in Mexican, btw?)

    This is how I think about my interaction with white people. I’m sure you won’t have any problem with me publicly stating this, right?

    • Katherine McChesney

      I once had an acquaintance who’s surname was Machado. She said her ancestors came from Spain. She was lovely but a hopeless groupie for movie stars, having had a ‘relationship’ with Warren Beatty when he made “Heaven Can Wait”.

  • puffdaddy

    So whitey is to blame because white teachers come from families who can help them financially? And she knows this about every white teacher based on what?

    • She doesn’t know it at all. This Machado greaserita has simply thrown that in so as to include class-envy with her racism. Summed up, the incompetoid is saying “I not only hate white people because they are smarter and better-looking than I am, I also hate them because some of them have more money than I do.”

  • Druid

    Why Teachers of Color Quit, The Atlantic 47 Comments

    They think they are wonderful role models but they’re not paid enough.

    _______________________________________________________
    During the Jim Crow period, black teachers were excellent role models to their students.

  • I don’t care whether blacks would achieve better in segregated schools.

    • Brian

      The white taxpayer might not have to spend quite as much on metal detectors and such… or 2-3x as much per pupil in a pointless attempt to ‘close the performance gap’. And white kids wouldn’t be exposed to groidish foolishness. Wiggers would diminish; interracial dating would decrease. The smart whites could excel without the teacher having to slow it down for the bellcurvoids. Bullying of whites would decrease too. That segregated schools would help blacks– I don’t care either, but it would definitely help us also.

  • Erasmus

    Wow. She could have summed up the theme of her entire essay in one sentence: It’s YT’s fault.

  • WR_the_realist

    Yup, any euphemism for “negro” soon acquires the same negative connotations as the original word, because the people it refers to don’t change, so soon the euphemism itself becomes a forbidden word.

    • dodger

      What the idiot’s don’t realise is that sometimes they are complaining about themselves.

  • willbest

    It almost sounds like she is arguing for segregation. Except for the part about how much pressure that would put on her.

    • Matthew Schmidt

      Actually the pressure that is put on her is due to desegregation. Non-whites have the unrealistic expectation by the white interpretation of the “Dr. King speech” to be equal in ability to whites. Segregation would free non-whites to compare themselves to each other rather than whites.

      • MikeofAges

        The “Dream” was an abstraction. If it was realized next Sunday afternoon, Monday morning, a lot of people would have to go to work in a lot of not very interesting jobs.

    • Major

      One would think with around 58 black only “colleges” they could find a job among their own. Try to have 58 White only universities! They do want segregation…in their study groups, their social groups, dorms, cafeterias, Afro centric studies fraternities and so on.

  • OhWow

    So many claims of racism. So little proof. For anyone interested about this phenomenon you should watch A Conversation About Race on youtube. Great documentary and really speaks the truth.

  • Major

    “I felt frustrated that other Teach for America teachers did not want to tolerate just a few hours of this discomfort trying to discuss issues that could help the population their position focused on serving.”

    Cause whites are sick and tired of having this diversity nonsense and propaganda shoved in our faces 24/7.

    • Matthew Schmidt

      Most of the non-white discomfort for white society is that unlike savagery Civilization takes hard work to maintain.

      • Major

        Indeed…I’m still waiting for concrete evidence of all those past, ancient “achievements” that lie somewhere in the darkest bowels of Africa. Like their pyramids ( I know..Egyptians ), Great Walls, Taj Mahals, Roman like highways, aqueducts, Stonehedges and so on.

        • Matthew Schmidt

          Better yet, I’m still waiting for blacks to explain how a typical Egyptian woman like this could remotely be considered black or even descended from blacks.

          • Mediterranean white.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            The demographic preferences people don’t uses the ‘M’ word (Mediterranean) favorably. She would be considered, by our anti-European government, as Middle Eastern. Those of Mediterranean origin are considered dirty European oppressors.

            The people of Sicily, for example, are deeper into poverty than most of Latin America, but are considered Mediterranean–and therefore European–therefore no preferences.

          • Truth Teller

            This is true. Europe because synonymous with “oppressor” when the majority of Europeans had nothing to do with it.

          • Brian

            By appearance she could almost pass for Greek or Sicilian.

          • Brian

            An ex-girlfriend of mine had a French Cajun mother and an Egyptian father, and she was redhaired and green-eyed. Her first and last names were Egyptian, but the only visual trace of that ancestry was a small clue in nose shape and eyebrow thickness. She was paler than I am.

  • Matthew Schmidt

    Amren leaves out two paragraphs which the writer complains about the difficulties of teaching the colored students because they only want to learn from people of their own race and how they only want to learn things that are relevant to living among themselves and hate how they have to learn things relevant for living in a white civilization. These paragraphs specifically signify exactly how non-whites naturally want and may feel more comfortable with segregation. This raises another question of the true reasons why they would support desegregation. The main reason is most likely that as 90-98% of the colored population as the white population are lemmings who are prone to manipulation by the mass media and are willing to spew out the idiocies that are taught by such a media, but beyond that there are other reasons when they are free to go with their instincts. The major one is that they just notice that a white society has far more material benefits and less crime than their societies and they just want all of the goodies of white society. Another one is that the very low number of coloreds that have IQ’s of 100 or higher do not want to be burdened by the savages that make up most of the black population.

    • MBlanc46

      The idea of voluntary self-segregation is a reasonable one. It’s not clear how we can get from here to there, but once there, most people would be happier.

      • Matthew Schmidt

        Get rid of the race mixing propaganda and laws. Once free from the propaganda and laws, even without racial hatred, whites, blacks, browns, yellows, and reds tend to figure out that they have more in common with and can better understand the people of their own race than others. They tend to figure out that they like the aesthetics of their own race more than others. Thus, they will congregate and marry with the people of their own race.

  • TXCriollo

    I think the days of im not white the world owes me something is coming to an end. I read a lot of post on the main site for the article and most people were calling this article bs. why do minority teachers quit because they don’t want to put up with there own people has anyone actually seen an innercity school its like prison

    • MBlanc46

      I noticed quite a few Amren posters there.

  • MBlanc46

    That’s a deeply metaphysical problem. Merely stating it indicates that you are incapable f understanding the answer.

  • MikeofAges

    Old story. Set up a straw man. (Whites can accept the low pay because because they have help from other sources) Then beat the straw man. A great way to win friends and influence people, huh? How many new white teachers get that help? Some, I suppose. But how many? Not all. I’m sure of that.

    Moving on from that, I have had contact with public education on account of my newspaper reporting career. Protestations to the contrary, teacher pay for the most part is not low. But beginning pay may be too low. That could be an issue, not that you will ever get away with taking a little from the senior teachers to help out the newbies.

    The reason why I found the protests of teacher about their pay hollow is because I thought they were comparing themselves to the wrong people. They seemed to think that they should have been getting the same money as engineers and executives. The people I thought they should have been comparing themselves to, however, were people like firefighter, police officers, postal workers, enlisted members of the military, and other public employees who had college degrees. If they had done that, if their pay was found deficient in comparison, they might have been able to make a more persuasive case for themselves.

    Mr. Machado might be the kind of person we want in public education after all. He might even have not been paid enough. But did his first reach have to be the race card?

  • bubo

    They just care too much. LOL! Teaching at a charter school usually involves pushing the play button on a dvd player and reading the paper for 6 hours a day. I guess it was too tough for her.

  • Brian

    Her parents bring her to the US and put her in a white school district because they know that’s the best. But then she has a litany of ‘racist’ complaints– whites don’t think she’ll succeed, put her in low-expectation tracking, etc. How horrible and completely unwarranted… yet she turns right around and admits many of her friends and relatives failed, dropped out and spiraled into depression, poverty and alcoholism— exactly as predicted by the ‘nasty’ whites.

    She cannot make the logical connection. Yes, the white districts are the best, but when we try to keep them that way, we’re terrible. Her tribe comes from some dysfunctional crapistan, brings it here and recreates it, and yet that’s my fault? F*ck her and the burro she rode in on.

  • Brian

    An ugly woman wants to go to a top nightclub and gets mad when she’s turned away. Why can’t she get in, and gain access to the handsome men there? Well, the reason the handsome men are there is precisely because the club only allows beautiful women inside. It never occurs to the ugly woman that if they let her in, and all like her, the handsome men would mysteriously vanish. No, it’s just hateful people oppressing her for no reason.

  • Brian

    China is for the Chinese, Korea for Koreans, and Japan for Japanese. That Oriental IQ may not produce innovation, but it does bear some fruit…

    • JohnEngelman

      By your criterion America is for Native Americans, AKA American Indians.

  • Since the greaserita wants a $60,000 starting salary for teachers, she’s clearly not right in the head. I want a greenhouse for year-round vegetable gardening, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon, either. The difference here is that I’m not making a race/class issue of the matter.

  • DailyKenn

    .
    Ever notice that diversity training is always
    US learning about THEM;
    never THEM learning about US?

  • IstvanIN

    I don’t see his stories as bragging. It seems he has led an interesting life. Not one I would have wanted but interesting none the less. He gives a perspective most of us could not.

    PS: I am the down vote, not Mr. Scott.

  • withcaution

    “According to the National Education Association, the national average starting teacher salary in the 2011-2012 school year was $35,672.”

    This is really a lie by omission. Teachers in over half the states start at around 42k a year but…and hears the real kicker, receive another 37to 39 thousand in benefits (mostly retirement and medical). Our teachers are contractually not required to be “worked” more than 942 hours a year and 182 of those hours are set aside for grading papers. By year 10 the pay has ramped to 82,000 and 40k in benefits or about 125 dollars per hour worked.

  • I’m also smarter than you.

  • A revolution is a funny thing; one never knows how it will end up. The high hopes of a Kerenskyist Russian democracy were dashed by the Bolsheviks. German unhappiness with the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression brought a certifiable lunatic to power, with tragic results. Chinese Communists set their nation back 30 years, when the right answer all along was trade with the developed West, recognized only belatedly by Deng Xiaoping.

    My suspicion is that the United States will have a civil war as a natural product of our increasing political polarization, and that nuclear weapons will be used. This is unfortunate; while I would cheer if someone blew Denver and Pueblo into low earth orbit, I have never visited the Smithsonian in Washington.

    • JohnEngelman

      People under the age of 30 are more likely to favor socialism than capitalism. I doubt most who favor capitalism are white nationalists. Right now white nationalism is such a minority persuasion that I doubt its approval rating in a poll would be in the double digits, even if it was defined.

      Non whites will not be reduced to second class citizenship. They will not be deported. They will not be exterminated. They are sure enough not going to disappear into mid air.

      There might be a civil war. There will not be a white ethno state. A white ethno state is nearly as preposterous of a fantasy as the Marxian ideal of a classless society.

      A civil war will have disastrous consequences for all involved. It will hasten the Chinese world hegemony that I think is probable.

      • Fak_Zakaix

        You sound like a typical reader of the Jewish magazine The New Republic. A Jewish liberal neoconservative. Why don’t you stick with the commenter community there?
        Because they will ban you if you say that Blacks are stupid? Ah…
        You see, race realism is anathema for the Jews. And that is because race realism will rehabilitate Nazism, and race-based anti-Semitism. They are not stupid for sure.

        • JohnEngelman

          Race realism makes three basic assertions. First, race is an important biological classification. Second, the races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. Third, these differences have evolved in response to different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years.

          Adolf Hitler believed that the Germanic peoples – he included Scandinavians and Dutch in this category, perhaps even the English – are the most superior race in existence. Race realism does not yield that conclusion.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Tell this to your Jews from the New Republic. LOL.
            P.S.
            The Nazis had their own notion of racial superiority. They didn’t include Jews in that notion.

          • JohnEngelman

            My point is that the Nazis did not believe in race realism. I do.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            They did believe indeed. The Jews pretend to not believe.

  • LHathaway

    This is so ridiculous. . what was it Jared Taylor mentioned in his ‘Banned in Halifax’ speech? Whites are abused and hated even for their attempts to blame whites and promote people of color (sensitivity training). The one thing that is so obnoxious about this article is that teachers of color, holding college degrees, quit teaching because affirmative action recruitment offers them more money to do something else.

  • MikeofAges

    But the historic basis for the linguistic division of Canada is different. And the dividing line is clear. Quebec and the rest. Even so, there is dissension and a large independence faction.

  • Funruffian

    This article is false. Teachers of color do not necessarily quit. The reason many of them don’t last more than 2 years is because they cannot qualify for their credential in order to remain working as teachers. If they fail their CSET exam, which is a requirement to earn your credential, they cannot pass the exam in order to stay. They may also fail to sustain passing grades in their coursework which qualifies them to earn the credential.
    I remember 5 years ago in some lame Education campaign where the district was training teachers on some new fangled program. I overheard 3 Black females bemoaning the fact that they could not pass the exam no matter how hard they tried. One of them had taken it several times without success of passing.
    I new-hire teacher who is new to the profession is placed on probation. They are interns who get paid a modest wage. They have 2 years to pass their intern classes along with passing the exams (MSAT, CSET, CBEST, etc.) If they fail they are often not given a second chance.

  • rentslave

    A truly educated person would say from where I came.How did she get into Brown?