The Obamacare Crisis

Thomas B. Edsall, New York Times, November 20, 2013

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The chaos surrounding efforts to activate HealthCare.gov reinforces a key conservative meme: that whatever the test is, government will fail it. Insofar as voters experience their interaction with government as frustrating and unreliable, the brunt of political damage will hit Democrats, both as the party of government and as the party of Obamacare.

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In addition, the Affordable Care Act can be construed as a transfer of benefits from Medicare, which serves an overwhelmingly white population of the elderly–77 percent of recipients are white—to Obamacare, which will serve a population that is 54.7 percent minority. Over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act cuts $455 billion from the Medicare budget in order to help pay for Obamacare.

Those who think that a critical mass of white voters has moved past its resistance to programs shifting tax dollars and other resources from the middle class to poorer minorities merely need to look at the election of 2010, which demonstrated how readily this resistance can be used politically. The passage of the A.C.A. that year forced such issues to the fore, and Republicans swept the House and state houses across the country. The program’s current difficulties have the clear potential to replay events of 2010 in 2014 and possibly 2016.

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David Frum, a right-of-center columnist for the Daily Beast, recently pointed out in an article called “The Obamacare Ripoff,” that Obamacare poses dangers to Democratic support in the middle class.

“The Affordable Care Act was ingeniously designed to deliver benefits to Democratic constituencies and impose costs on Republican ones,” Frum wrote. “The big surprise in the ACA rollout is that this design is going awry. It’s not only plutocrats and one-percenters who will find themselves worse off; not only the comparatively affluent retirees enrolled in Medicare Plus programs.” These liabilities are becoming apparent in comments from regular voters.

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At his press conference on Nov. 14, Obama promised to try to resolve the problems of those facing cancellations, but he indicated that their concerns are not his highest priority:

So we’re going to do everything we can to help the Americans who have received these cancellation notices. But I also want everybody to remember there are still 40 million Americans who don’t have health insurance at all. I’m not going to walk away from 40 million people who have the chance to get health insurance for the first time. And I’m not going to walk away from something that has helped the cost of health care grow at its slowest rate in 50 years.

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Obama has placed himself and his party in what now looks like a zero-sum bind, forcing a choice between inflicting the painful consequences of Obamacare on the electorate now or 11 months from now.

Politicians invariably choose to put off problems when they can. That means most of next year will be taken up by the administration’s struggle to protect the crown jewel of the president’s tenure without letting the roof collapse on his party.

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The Affordable Care Act “is often compared to Social Security and Medicare, but these comparisons are imprecise and misleading,” as Edward Carmines, a political scientist at Indiana University, put it in an email: “The distinctive feature of the new health care law is its redistributive nature, which is mostly absent from Social Security and Medicare.”

Carmines went on, succinctly analyzing the political problem lying at the heart of Obamacare:

Most of the benefits of the new program will go to the poor and less-well-off and most of the costs will be born by the well off. Neither is true of Medicare or Social Security. When the new law was passed it was hailed by The New York Times as the most redistributive policy in a generation, and they were right. It was not sold as being markedly redistributive, of course, but that is how it was designed and will operate. This does not mean it is a bad policy or doomed to fail. But it does mean that it was bound to be caught up in controversy and heated debate.

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  • Thomas Edsall, even going back to the days when he was at the WaPo, and now he’s at the NYT, has basically been the MSM’s emissary to our neck of the political woods. That his mind is running in this direction does not surprise me.

    However, I don’t see anything wrong with white people wanting to spend their public money on white people and not on non-whites.

    • Emperor Naked

      Yep. As a retired doctor, I’ve always been for a single payer system and against the for investor profit insurance scheme we’ve been seeing bringing no one but the wealthy excellent health care. But you cannot have ANY system that allows outsiders in for free. It’s going on now for some time. I just talked with an old friend in California and she told me that the local hospital is laying off 30 people because it can’t afford them due to the free emergency room care Mexicans are still getting there.

      Whites are going to have to cooperate and help one another if we ever do have a chance to be alone with only ourselves. That includes taking care of our health.

      I loved what I saw when I lived in Slovenia for a few years. Slovenians were happy to pay the taxes because as my friend there put it, “We’re like one big family, so we don’t mind.”

      • I think the ideal even if we could factor out our mooching non-whites is some mix between single payer, private insurance and other methods.

        I fail to see how the lack of political resistance would make a website work better, or how the existence of political resistance would make it not work.

        • Brian

          IF and only IF we had a 90%+ white country, I would favor a system where there is a minimum standard of catastrophic and preventative public insurance, with an option for individual/corporate private upgrade insurance…and the medical providers of doctors/hospitals/pharmacies being private.

          So in terms of an airline, taxes cover everyone getting a $500 coach ticket, on the airline of your choice. You could choose Delta with better food and less legroom, or United with more legroom, bad food. The (private) airlines would all get the same $500 to fly you, but would have the incentive to keep costs down so they can pocket more of the fee. And of course you could pay extra to get the business/first class upgrade.

          But this public scheme breaks down when it’s perpetually a payer group subsidizing a taker group.

          • Once we get our ethnostate, we can discuss these things.

            It’s going to be amazing, once we doff the non-white lead anchors around our legs, all the new varieties of ideologies and paradigms and actual proposals we’ll be able to consider, without having to worry about racial beancounting.

            It’ll be like freedom…or something like that.

          • kenfrombayside

            Look, as a displaced European living in America – that’s what we’ve been reduced to – we need our own country.

      • JohnEngelman

        I loved what I saw when I lived in Slovenia for a few years. Slovenians were happy to pay the taxes because as my friend there put it, “We’re like one big family, so we don’t mind.”

        – Emperor Naked

        That is a problem with diversity that too few liberals understand. It is easier to care about poor people if they look and sound like you do.

        • Martel

          This clearly isn’t the case. Whites care a lot more about poor blacks then do about poor whites.Poor whites are treated like scum, like the filth of the earth, even on Amren,, a poor black can wipe out an entire white family and they are still met with sympathy and understanding.

        • Yes; socialism must eventually break down completely in non-homogeneous nations, especially in those which allow effectively unlimited Third World immigration.

          • Emperor Naked

            One could argue that this is what led to the break down of the Soviet Union. It wasn’t much different (or not at all) from any other multi-national empire. Now, the Russians are becoing acutely nationalistic and race conscious.

        • When I was younger growing up in a homogeneous White city, there was a stoic pride (and pressure I suppose) for everyone to ‘chip in’ and not take from the public money pool.
          So anyone who was on welfare was frowning upon.
          These days the exact same people who 30 years ago advocated resistant, have completely flipped their viewpoints to one of public money being upon as being in a trough, that needs to eaten quickly and emptied before the other guy gets to it first.
          This change of perspective has come about after seeing wave after wave of new foreign nationals arriving and having public money thrown at them, while having no family history of ever having paid taxes in this country.
          These were some of the first cracks I noticed affecting my communities cohesion.

        • NM156

          It’s easier to care for poor people when they act like you. To wit: don’t attempt to live on a diet of corn syrup. This is my local Walgreen’s…

        • Emperor Naked

          That’s been discussed before, but not on high enough levels. As much as I am against the notion of health care provision for investor profits, I know that it will never work with opened borders and in any nation with such extremes of cultures and races and religions inside their borders. In fact, NOTHING will work and is increasingly not working every day. Eventually, a critical mass of dysfunction will cause the entire world to crash into chaos. I really do think this is true and that the evidence is everywhere. Most people just go through their daily lives doing their best to ignore or deny what their intuition (let alone the evidence) is telling them.

      • Dave4088

        A single payer system could work in a small, monoracial nation, but not in a racially diverse nation of 330 million with a violent and prone to disease black and brown population.

        • Emperor Naked

          You know what, I agree with you. The reality is that NOTHING will work in any way now in a nation that is so filled up with different people that even sealing the borders will make no difference.

          Theoretically speaking, if we had the opportunity to have a white secession, we would require such a system, therefore, we’d need to have the mindset to allow for it. This is usually what I argue.

          The entire Western world (or even world at large) is a house of cards waiting for enough pressure to set things off. But the ride will be wild and no one can guarantee anything once it starts. So I am reluctant to hope for such a thing as lousy as things are now.

      • kenfrombayside

        Keep the pressure on your reps in congress. Giving 11 – 30 million (nobody knows for sure) criminal lawbreakers legalization pure insanity. Plus, they could sponsor their relatives; that would bring the total up to about 50 million aliens in our midst. Of course, these new citizens will vote for the vile democrats and their socialist giveaways. Most of them will be unskilled, uneducated, low IQ etc. Stop this outrageous bill now. Don’t sit on the sidelines.You are not wasting your time. The American people don’t want this bill. You have to do all you can do to stem the third world assault:
        – Contact your 2 US Senators and rep in congress.
        – after biz hours, leave a message on your DC rep’s voicemail. All US Senators have multiple offices so it would be a good idea to hit all of the. Remember, be civil and don’t threaten
        – go to NUMBERSUSA then go to the take action button. You will be able to send faxes to your 2 US Senators and congressional for free. (I also gave a $50 donation).
        – use Business Reply envelopes to state your opposition to America’s insane immigration policies and the proposed amnesty. Don’t give the parties any money.
        – join an immigration group like FAIR. Strength thru numbers!
        – go to the RNC & DNC sites to email them.
        – Use the media: call a talk radio program; write a letter to your local paper. If the media outlet is liberal, then talk about economic impact of massive third world immigration.
        – text everybody in your cell phone queue now.
        IF YOU DO OR SAY NOTHING, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM….

      • kjh64

        I don’t believe in a one single payer system for the reason that it puts too much power in the hands of government. I believe in options, one being a government plan. Those who wish to be on government insurance will be taxed to pay for it. Those who don’t want it can get it through their employer or instead of paying a health insurance tax, can use that money to purchase private insurance. People can tailor their insurance to their needs to keep costs down.

        I believe in competition in the health system. All insurances must accept all people and must compete with each other for business. I believe in doing away with the “in network” system. People are free to choose their doctors and doctors and hospitals and insurance companies must compete with each other. This will help keep costs down and force them to have higher quality rather than a monopoly government system which without competition, can wallow in mediocracy. It will also offer people choices rather than allowing the government control over them.

        Of course with as much free medical as we give to foreigners, this must end in order to have a good system. You can’t have open borders and any type of socialism.

        • Emperor Naked

          I disagree with you completely. Healthcare is the ONE item that needs heavy regulation and removal of any system that makes it profitable for investors. Doing so is contrary to every ethical and moral point as well as being ultimately contrary to the Hippocratic Oath. It could be so easily done, too. If we merely increased oversight as we expanded Medicare to everyone, then we’d have a system that IS already a single payer system becoming available to all. Reforming tort law is important as well. I am a retired doctor that also lived and worked in Europe for a few years. The big difference is the lack of the culture of litigation we have here. IF I made a mistake because of irresponsible or careless work, I could lose my license permanently or even face jail. It was quite a motivator. It could also get you deported. I saw that happen to a Chinese acupuncturist.

          On the other hand, I completely agree that NO system can work with a condition of open borders. This problem has ALL health care systems at risk everywhere, including the present American system. In the U.S. immigrants still overwhelming get their care at the ER. I know of one case in CA where last week 30 providers at a hospital (In Healdsburg, CA) were laid off due to losses.

          So all the debate is moot as long as we have such a problem with high numbers crashing the borders of Western nations.

    • Garrett Brown

      Yes, I would be glad to give my finances in support if this country was still 95% white. In fact I would love to, there would be absolutely no regrets from me.

      • Pro_Whitey

        If I may distill the points here, socialism “works” when it is in effect a form of national socialism, where people have a sense of caring and obligation to their fellow citizens because of the ties of blood and history. I think that is the essence of whatever superficial success socialism has had in Israel and the Nordic countries. A socialist system is never that great to begin with, but it falls apart once people see themselves as indentured to support others rather than their own.

        • Brian

          True, because the more similar people in a nation are, not just ethnically but in language, religion, culture, et al, the more a socialist program functions merely as ‘insurance’ to smooth out life’s rough distribution of pain. In a heterogeneous salad bowl/armed camp like the US, it becomes a permanent transfer program where white Peter is continually robbed to pay brown Paul, and you have great resentment.

          There’s another element– scale, which relates to accountability and enforceability of norms. A nuclear family is a kind of socialist unit, with mom and dad each doing their thing, breadwinner or homemaker, for the good of each other and the kids who aren’t contributing much materially, but may provide assistance in old age. But each person knows what the other is doing and there is pressure to behave. On a somewhat larger scale, you have the clan or tribe. Human civilization has only been around a short while– we spent 95% of our time as a species living in small bands of hunter-gatherers, with some contact with other related, neighboring bands. There was homogeneity, group knowledge, and enforceability of standards, to go along with the quasi-socialism practiced before civilized times of money and property deeds.

          Bottom line– whatever we can do to make our society more closely resemble some traits of what we evolved in and for– similarity and small scale (federalism), will result in greater happiness and cohesion. What worked for Sweden in earlier decades will collapse as they import hordes of dissimilar, poor foreigners. In the US, with the end of segregation and a flood of immigration (and diminishing white dominance) you get Putnam’s ‘Bowling Alone’, just for starters, and I shudder to think where that will end. We have to get back to the roots of the type of arrangements that cause humans to get along…hence the need for a WASP ethnostate.

    • Sick of it

      I don’t see anything wrong with severely reduced public spending and taxation, personally. The government fails at everything, as the author himself stated.

    • Erasmus

      Obamacare: We lose the health insurance we loved and have to keep a “president” whom we don’t.

  • JohnEngelman

    The main reason health care costs more per capita in the United States than in countries having a single payer health care plan is the payoff to the insurance companies. Money which in Canada goes to doctors and other health care professionals and workers goes in the United States to employees and stock holders in insurance companies.

    • Luca

      Have you heard of outrageous frivolous malpractice suits and illegal aliens? My relative is a specialized surgeon and pays about $85k a year for malpractice premiums and has never needed the insurance once. Do you think that might add a few pennies to the overhead in his office and raise the cost of his services?

      As for illegal aliens unless you live in the Southwest you can’t begin to fathom how many hospitals have gone broke because of them. The ones that stay open ask ER patients to wait 6 hours or so on a good day.

      I go to Canada every year, don’t get me started on their system, now you’re talking 13-hour ER waits and six months for an MRI, not to mention a large national sales tax on goods and services.

      Insurance companies are not angels but every state can regulate them. Too bad no one is regulating trial lawyers and illegal aliens.

    • Dave4088

      Illegal aliens are arguably the primary cause. I know a lady that works in one of our city hospitals and she says the vast majority of illegals never pay their emergency room bills. Hospitals can only recoup that loss by apportioning the loss across paying recipients. That’s you and I, sport.

      That’s why we pay $150.00 for office visits to talk to the doctor for 15 minutes, and inflated costs for simple medical procedures before he must ditch us and go treat a black or brown at our expense.

      • Ella

        Over half the birthing mothers in our city use Medicaid, and many who speak Spanish are illegals of course. I have not found a private hospital yet that refuses Medicaid. I also noticed a decline in medical services over the last ten years over-billed for Dr., less time, and in level of care.

      • mobilebay

        You are correct, Dave. Doctors must charge outrageous fees to cover the cost of illegal aliens who fill the ERs of this nation. From recent personal experience, both my daughter and I have run into this fact. A trip to the ER, which resulted in my daughter having an MRI, and only that, resulted in a bill for $10,300. My $500.00 charge was a three second “freeze” for a spot on my face. Didn’t even need a biopsy. If our government had the courage to send illegals packing, and stopped supporting the world, perhaps we could get back to reality. We are so far from the country in which I was born, I sometimes think I’m on another planet.

    • newscomments70

      My colleague, an ex-Canadian, complained that his father-in-law was ignored by the Canadian socialized health care system. He was an elderly man that required a triple heart bypass. Socialized medicine is rationed and they must determine who will receive urgent care, and who will not. The healthcare bureaucrat called the gentleman once every three months. They were not giving him any information or updates. They were simply waiting for him to die so they could cross him off the list. Eventually, he used his own money to have the operation done in the US.

      Here in California, we have Kaiser Permanente. That is a non-profit, private healthcare system. It is basically the Costco of healthcare. It is no frills, but fairly high quality. They keep terminally ill patients alive for years. They are quick to operate on those with serious conditions. Kaiser has modern, well-equipped hospitals and treament centers. Canadian healthcare centers are crowded, dirty, and ugly. People in the Canadian system wait months and years for treatment…and many die waiting.

      You can quote articles from liberal periodicals all day. They are obviously biased and inaccurate. You need to actually talk with Canadians who have had serious health problems. They can explain, first hand, the reality of socialized medicine. In the US, the system will be far worse, because a much lower percentage of the population is paying taxes.

      • JohnEngelman

        I do not hear Canadians complain about their system. It is always Americans who complain about the Canadian system. In no country that has universal health care is there a demand for a return to a private health system.

        Also, Harris Interactive is not “a liberal periodical.” It is one of the most respected poling agencies in the world.

        • Mergatroyd

          It is your OPINION that Canadians don’t complain about their system. As usual, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
          They complain often and bitterly. How do I know this? I have family there, travel to Canada frequently, and specifically ask Canadians how they like their health care system. Not one has ever given the jolley answer you seem to think they have. But then you are pro-big government and believe government knows how to run our lives better than we do.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am sure there are some malcontents. Nevertheless, this remains true: “a 70% majority of Canadians thought their system was “performing well”; and that a majority favored an expansion of public sector health care.”

          • Mergatroyd

            You believe in government/magazine polls no matter the source. Better to believe government/magazine polls and ignore anything that the Cato Institute puts by researchers whose life work is to study such issues. Here are there findings, not that you’ll bother to believe one word of it because your OPINIONS are based on silly consumer polls.

            “Those countries with national health care systems that work better, such as France, the Netherlands and Switzerland, are successful to the degree that they incorporate market mechanisms such as competition, cost-consciousness, market prices, and consumer choice, and eschew centralized government control.

            “While no country with universal coverage is contemplating abandoning a universal system, the broad and growing trend in countries with national health care systems is to move away from centralized government control and to introduce more market oriented features. As Richard Saltman and Josep Figueras of the World Health Organization put it, The presumption of public primacy is being reassessed. Thus, even as the U.S. debates adopting a government-run system, countries with those systems are debating how to make their systems look more like the U.S.

            “If the trend in the U.S. over the last several years has been toward more of a European-style system, the trend in Europe is toward a system that looks more like the U.S.

            “Therefore, if there is a lesson which U.S. policymakers can take from national health care systems around the world, it is not to follow the road to government-run national health care, but to increase consumer incentives and control.”

            Maybe you can explain to us how it is that the researchers at the Cato Institute came to the conclusion that countries with national health care are moving away from it.

            Better to believe in polls, right, John, I’m sure to you those researchers don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. They’d better look at the polls.

          • JohnEngelman

            The best judges of a system are the people who experience it.

            In the United States there is little support for ending Social Security and Medicare.

          • Luca

            No one wants a benefit, they think they have earned, taken away. So once the genie is out of the bottle you won’t be able to get it back in. Like all Government programs they sound nice, look good on paper and NEVER work well or efficient.

            Where healthcare providers are allowed to become entrepreneurs and use free market systems the cost of healthcare comes down dramatically and the technology and treatments get better.

            Case in point: lasik surgery or plastic surgery. These are elective surgeries for which insurance will not cover. All patients must pay cash. As a result, due to free market competition, the prices on these surgeries have come down and the treatments have become better. The same can be said for certain dental procedures that must compete in the market place.

            Government run “anything” promotes waste, fraud, abuse, incompetence. mismanagement, inefficiency and cost over runs. Government has little regard in spending other peoples’ money, which to them seems inexhaustible.

            A free market system regulated by the states but able to be carried across state lines, with heavy regulation on trial lawyers and illegal aliens would dramatically lower costs. Further tax breaks for all Flex Accounts and all itemized medical expenditures would go a long way in improving the system.

            Another government program = another economic disaster fro taxpayers.

      • Mergatroyd

        Columnist John Myers, a Canadian who often visits the United States wrote this about the Canadian vs. American health care system:

        United States: “My wife picked me up from the pool and took me to Rockwood Clinic. In minutes, I had a cardiologist hooking me up to an EKG machine and a nurse giving me an aspirin and testing my blood to see if I was having a heart attack. I got the results while I was there and was told nothing to worry about. I was suffering tachycardia, which is when the heart beats dangerously fast.”

        Canada: “I couldn’t catch my breath, so my wife rushed me to the emergency room at the Rockyview General Hospital. Even as I gasped for air, the triage nurse would not look at me. When my wife, who had once worked at that hospital, complained, she was told that the emergency room was ‘very busy.’

        “I didn’t want to die on some cot in a hallway. And that kind of thing happens too often in Canada. In Winnipeg, Manitoba, a man named Brian Sinclair died during his 34-hour wait to see a doctor at an emergency health clinic. The medical examiner said that he had been dead for a couple hours before the clinic staff even noticed him.

        “Because of such stories and my own personal experiences with socialized medicine I begged my wife to take me home. Once she measured my pulse at a reasonable 110 beats per minute, she did take me home. I continued to improve throughout the night. The next morning, we lined up for two hours at a nearby doctor’s clinic. I was one of the 60 or 70 patients the doctor would see that day. The good news is that the doctor said my heart seems to be ‘OK,’ whatever that means. And he gave me an appointment to go see a cardiologist — in February”

        This took place in September, and an example of what we Americans will soon be subjected to. Anyone who says otherwise needs to explain how it’s going to work when 40 million new recipients of Obamacare come into the system without an attendant rise in doctors. He or she needs to explain how there WON’T be rationing of health care. You will be standing in long lines behind the third world to receive American health care.
        How’s that Hope and Change working out for you Obama voters now?

    • NM156

      Public employees are tantamount to thieves in my city, Chicago. Until ’09, teachers in this city could retire at 52 with 25 years of service, with a pension payout of 60% of salary. Average salary was in the mid-$70K range at the time of restructuring in ’09. A retired-teacher couple in their early ’50s could live like plutocrats in the Carribbean for 3-4 decades courtesy of the taxpayer. Nationalized health care employees will fleece the public just as unionized public servants do. The difference between the socialized model of healthcare and the market-driven model is that the socialized one will legalize and make mandatory profit extorted from the public. That non-profit services cost less is a laugh riot!

  • Garrett Brown

    It’s been a complete failure. Hopefully it goes under when it doesn’t meet the deadlines early next year.

    Remember those ads that said 50% of young people could be insure for 50 bucks a month? Another lie from Oboonga. More like 30-32%, and the majority of that group aren’t white, which I’m sure we all knew.

    This country is too big, there are too many companies that want a piece for this to work.

    If we were in 1950? Maybe even the 60s? Definitely. Nothing will work of this magnitude in a melting pot.

    • Laura Dilworth

      Obamacare’s been postponed, right?

  • Sick of it

    Now we’re seeing charity hospitals closed down or sold to private companies around where I live. At the rate things are going, only the wealthy and connected will have anything remotely like healthcare BECAUSE of the people supposedly trying to help the poor.

    • SFLBIB

      They aren’t trying to help the poor. They only want to feel good about themselves; the poor are nothing more than mascots. If they were truly interested in helping the poor, they would recognize that their policies have failed. But no, it is never the policy or idea; it is someone or something else that is to blame.

      Some understanding is in Dr. Sowell’s observation,
      “Liberals’ devotion to their ideology greatly exceeds their concern about what actually happens to flesh and blood human beings as a result of their ideology.” In order for liberals not to ignore 50 years of evidence [or any amount of evidence for that matter], they would have to abandon their ideology, and they wouldn’t be liberals if they did. Whenever confronted with a question, the conservative turns to reality; the liberal turns to his ideology, for it is inconceivable to him that reality doesn’t conform to his ideology.

  • TheCogitator

    You’ve got it right. The purpose of government is to allow peaceful honest people transact their business together. It is not the purpose of government to solve every damn problem. Anyone is free to take THEIR money and help anyone they want, be they a member of their own tribe or people of another tribe. Government at every level should be limited, and the federal government should have the most limited scope of all.

    • SFLBIB

      A good example of what you say is documented in “The Economic Activity of a P.O.W. Camp” by R.A. Radford, a POW himself during WW-II. [It can be found with an internet search.]

      Liberals have this unrealistic obsession with equality … all along, people never want it, not even liberals themselves; otherwise, why do they work so hard to get power? And inequality makes life better for everybody.

      Each month, prisoners were given a “care” package that contained equal amounts of comfort items. They would then trade items they didn’t want for more of what they did. Middlemen, those hated by the Left, emerged. They served the purpose of saving prisoners the time and trouble of finding others willing to trade what they wanted. One prisoner would end up with, say, two packs of cigarettes and no candy bars, and another would have two candy bars and no cigarettes, as they desired. As a result of this free trade, the overall well-being of the camp was raised. Inject a liberal into this scene and he will immediately decry the injustice of the in-equality. So he would take away the inequality and replace it with what the prisoners had before their voluntary participation in trade, lowering their overall well-being.

  • Spartacus

    40% of Whites who voted, did so for this clown. They should be viewed as your main enemy, not just because they’re harming themselves in their stupidity, but because they’re unlikely to realize the consequences of their stupidity. Expect many of them, along with the dark-skins they associate with, to blame this on “racism” or “republicans” or some other crap like that.

    • Alexandra1973

      My mother blames it on right-wingers. She’s actually asked me if I’m a racist because of my opinions on Mein Obama.

      I actually came right out and told her recently that I think blacks have no business leading white countries. And, besides, I told her, I don’t like Obama’s politics, “racism” aside.

      • ThomasER916

        That’s the problem with White Americans. They treat politics like it’s a football game. My step mom is the same way, blaming Republicans and Conservatives for everything under the sun.

        The sad part is this will not improve because we can’t talk about all of the causes. If we even try to talk about all of the problems here at Amren we’ll get our posts deleted.

    • Tucker

      I agree. Whites who voted for ObongoMugabe are our #1 enemy. These people are mentally defective and I consider them the same way I would view a cancer tumor inside an otherwise healthy human body.

      Every time I see somebody who is White driving around town with a ObongoMugabe-Biden bumper sticker on their car, I think about the hundreds of White people who’ve been attacked by black flash mobs and who’ve been victims of black murdering thugs, or who’ve been the victims of these black ‘knockout’ games, or of the endless numbers of White females who’ve been brutally and viciously raped or gang raped and then murdered by the black gang bangers – and every one of these black on white crimes can be traced to the sense of power that street blacks feel by having one of their brothas in the Oval Office with his boot on the back of the White man’s neck.

      For anyone with a lick of sense about race and racial realities, every bit of what is happening was 100 percent predictable. Which means it was avoidable.

      The blood and suffering of those White victims is on the heads of those White ObongoMugabe voting race traitors.

    • WR_the_realist

      Your main enemy is the Republican Party, which in 2008 chose John McCain and in 2012 Mitt Romney. Most white Democrats did not vote for Obama. They voted against John McCain and Mitt Romney. Until the Republicans stop offering us candidates who want more wars the Democrats will keep winning.

    • SFLBIB

      “…blame this on “racism” or “republicans” or something like that.”

      You can take that to the bank.

    • Laika

      What could be worse than an anti-white white? The marxists have pitted us against each other because for them, it’s better to foment internecine warfare than for us to organize and turn our wrath on them.

      If we’re ever going to save ourselves, the anti-white whites will have to be purged from our midst.

  • Alexandra1973

    Back in 2000 my husband and I were in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I was pregnant the first time around (my second pregnancy resulted in my son) and I was starting to show signs of a miscarriage. I found out really quick if you’re an American you’re out of luck there. So we headed for a hospital in New York State. After that we headed home to Ohio.

    Yes, I did miscarry, early the next morning. But we learned a few things.

    • Garrett Brown

      I’m very sorry to read that. I hope you’ve had success since and made some beautiful white babies.

  • Brian

    Well there’s bad and there’s worse. I wouldn’t mind having Thomas Jefferson in charge of health insurance; Obama is another story. More important though, are the quality and demographics of the lower-level people in the bureaucracy (white dude from a Normal Rockwell painting, or LaQuesha from the DMV), and the same aspects of the constituency/population. The same gov’t scheme would work a lot better in Japan than here.

    • SFLBIB

      Yeah? And just where are you going to find a modern Thomas Jefferson?

      • Brian

        I assume if one could find such as he in a nation of 4 million, there should be several in a nation of 315 million. But I would settle for Pat Buchanan.

        • ThomasER916

          That would have been possible if America was all white and allowed to act within the interest of whites. Since that’s not the case there’s no point in talking about it.

        • SFLBIB

          R: “…there should be several in a nation of 315 million.”

          One would think, but then again, one might be wrong.

      • WR_the_realist

        Easy. In both 2008 and 2012 the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson was named Ron Paul. Without the slavery baggage. But he was despised by both the media and his own party. If votes were weighted by enthusiasm Ron Paul would be president right now. But “YES!” votes count no more than “meh!” votes so we got the usual plastic candidates. Ron Paul was the only Republican candidate who would have drawn significant numbers of white voters below the age of 35 away from Obama.

        Now comes the usual response about how Ron Paul sucks because he’s weak on controlling the borders. Would John McCain have been any better? As for Romney, he made some noises about enforcing immigration law during the primaries, but etch-a-sketch Romney lost no time ditching that position in the general election.

  • My understanding of Oogaboogacare was that making white taxpayers pay more to sustain our parasites was the whole point.

  • Boris McGuffin

    “An 82% to 8% majority of Canadians believe their system is superior to the U.S. system.”
    __________

    So what? People think all kinds of things.

    • Chip Carver

      Oh so right Boris. A relative of mine in Canada died while waiting for his chemotherapy to begin. As in waiting months for the treatment to start after his diagnosis. Besides, the media in the US and Canada simply post poll information that’s made up – “adjusted” – in many cases. I know this from having actually worked as a television news writer for several years. I was just a kid, and thank heaven I woke up and made a run for it. The “news directors” all seemed to come from the same mold; fat, messy hair, grimy beard, slovenly, Marxist to the core, self-deceptive hate filled red diaper babies from New York. And when I say hate, I mean an easily discernible hatred of Whites, America, and the West in general. Self satisfied pigs, all of them. Tom Wolfe would have had a field day watching what went on.

    • JohnEngelman

      Those who have extensive experience with something are usually good judges of it.

      • Boris McGuffin

        I didn’t know that Canadians had extensive experience with the U.S. healthcare system.

        Previously, the main thing I knew about Canadians is that they obsess over two things: Hockey, and their envy of Americans.

      • Wethepeople

        Many people in these United States have experience with the joys of diversity, yet we who have a problem with it are in the minority. So it seems that indoctrination hasa greater effect on perception than personal experience.

        • JohnEngelman

          Stop thinking about indoctrination and “brain washing.” In the United States people can evaluate a wide variety of opinions. People who disagree with you have not been “brain washed.” They have had different experiences, they have different economic interests, and they have read different books and magazines.

          I personally have had very good personal experiences with Orientals, and good experiences with Jews and Hispanics.

          I have been the victim of black criminals. I have also known blacks that I liked, and still do.

          • Luca

            People on the left, have a different way of processing facts and reality. There are three types of people in the world, those who see, those who see when shown and those who don’t see. (paraphrasing LDV)

            Lefties lack common sense, if you show them a dog with a sign around its neck that says: “This is a cat”, they’ll believe it’s a cat. The Left appeals to large groups of misinformed, confused people who are easily swayed by telling them what they want to hear.

            They drink the kool-aid and believe what they are spoon fed from the lefty propaganda machine You know, like: Trayvon was a victim, healthcare is free, there should be no borders, the unborn should be aborted, everyone should drive an electric car, solar energy will replace oil, war on women, republicans want to bring back slavery, Wall Street caused the housing bubble, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

            People who disagree with each other should present logical arguments, not cut & paste, self-serving, cherry-picked minutiae.

            Liberalism is a cult. period.

          • JohnEngelman

            People who disagree with each other should present logical arguments, not cut & paste, self-serving, cherry-picked minutiae.

            – Luca

            I agree, but you have not done that. What you have done is resort to the straw man fallacy. In the straw man fallacy one does not accurately describe a point of view. One presents a distortion of that point of view.

            In addition, you resort to cliches and appeals to emotion, like “drink the kool-aid” and “lefty propaganda machine.” Those only appeal to those who feel the same way you do.

            When I am trying to find where truth lies on a complex and controversial issue any appeal to emotion inclines me to give the other point of view more credence. I am confident other civil, rational people respond the same way.

            It is natural for one to allow one’s likes and dislikes to influence one’s judgment of what is true and false. This is just as true for conservatives as it is for liberals. It is true for me. Nevertheless, I make an effort to resist the tendency.

          • Luca

            Correct, I do not cut & paste self-serving, cherry-picked minutiae. I have tried logic on you but when I make 4 or 5 logical points you choose the one you want to respond to and and refer to a self-serving statistic that has nothing to do with the larger picture or the other points I have made.

            It is just quicker for me to refer to analogies and cliches because long-winded logic has not worked in the past so why am I to believe it will work in the future. I try not to reason with unreasonable people or rationalize with irrational people, but still like to make my point.

            Your point above was to discredit “brainwashing”. The majority of the people in the United States today are either uninformed, apathetic, or misinformed due to mainstream media. The fact that a majority of people voted for BHO proves they are either delusional, misguided or have succumbed to propaganda.

            Every single article on Amren points to the fact that most people today are not Realists, therefore the question begs, if they are not Realists, what are they? “Brainwashed” is one of the major answers.

          • JohnEngelman

            Race realism requires one to acknowledge the biological superiority of Ashkenazi Jews and Orientals to white Gentiles. Whenever I acknowledge that, using material I find on this website, I get flamed. You do not come to my assistance.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            You sound like the Hitler of the kikes. Dr. Hitlerstein?

          • JohnEngelman

            Hitler’s grandfather may have been Jewish.

          • Luca

            Everyone recognizes those facts (I certainly do) and rarely disputes them. We don’t need to hear about it every fifteen minutes.

            Being a race realist is only one dimensional if you are not a realist in other matters such as what takes place in media, Hollywood, academia, politics and economics. The problems of race in this country is only partly due to genetics and IQ.

            You only see the two sides of the coin in matters of race and intelligence.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            “Nevertheless, I make an effort to resist the tendency.”
            We all say the same thing.

      • Fak_Zakaix

        Do you think that explains why there is more anti-Semitism in New York than in Oklahoma City?

        • JohnEngelman

          Jews thrive in New York City. The only people who dislike them resent them because they cannot compete with them.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            So you agree with what I said. Thanks.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Being from Canada and a EMT it just means 82 percent of Canadians know nothing about how crummy their health care is.

    • A large majority of Canadian aerospace engineers also thought the Avro-Canada CF-105 “Arrow” interceptor was superior to anything else available, right at a time when specialized interceptors like the Avro CF-105 and the Convair F-106 were passing in favor of multi-role fighter jets like the F-4 Phantom II, a multi-role US navy jet which the US air force also immediately wanted (originally as the F-110 “Spectre”). The fact that the Soviet Union had largely abandoned any pretense at a manned bomber threat to North America in favor of ballistic missiles only accelerated the process toward multi-mission jets. The US navy led this trend because as jet aircraft became bigger and heavier, aircraft carriers could operate fewer of them, so the machines had to become more versatile.

      Persons who desire an indigenous military jet program (with a huge budget) for its own sake aren’t much different than those who want socialized medicine (with a huge budget) for its own sake. Their obsession is with the process and not the result: “This would be nice to have because I want it and… well… it would be nice to have. Did I say that I want it?”

  • ixObserver

    “55 percent of Obamacare recipients are expected to be non-white.”

    Interesting that whites see only 2 races, one of which isn’t even a race (non-white) but a grouping of races.

    • Bobbala

      Is English your second language?

      • ixObserver

        It is. I may not have stated it properly. What I meant was that Whites seem to see only two groups, Whites and Non-Whites while the second group is not even a homogeneous block of people. Not racially, not culturally, not ethnically. Stating it like there are only two groups on a ‘race realist’ website was all the more interesting. Makes sense?

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    Yeah, having worked in gov’t, I get a laugh when I read conspiracy theories.

  • Chip Carver

    I was always under the impression that a major goal of Obamacare was to steal more resources from Whites, “Kill White Grandma” as one columnist put it I believe. Sure, it’s part of the drive toward a Single Payer system – which means a certain race will basically be the single payer for blacks and browns, never mind a not often mentioned pillar of amnesty / more immigration.

  • SFLBIB

    “What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.”

    — Democrat Operative James Carville

  • Luca

    And I could show you article after article about Canadians flocking here with cash in hand because of life and death situations that can’t wait for the wheels of Canadian bureaucracy to turn.

    Canadian healthcare works well when it works. When it doesn’t, they head south.

    • JohnEngelman

      If they can afford it. Tens of thousands of Americans die prematurely because they can’t afford regular check ups.

      • Boris McGuffin

        John Engelman is a liar. The mythologies anti-American maggots tell themselves…

        Even illegals get medical treatment here. All at our expense, of course.

      • Whitetrashgang

        Well get a job for christs sake, or go to the ER like the illegals.

      • itdoesnotmatter

        John, in the USA, anybody who wants to see a physician for nothing, can.

      • Even more die prematurely because they smoke cigarettes. What’s your point?

      • Are these the same folks who – in addition to smoking (see below) also drink too much, eat too much and use hard drugs?

        I’m looking for my miniature violin, but it probably got vacuumed up yesterday by accident.

    • If one needs a CT-scan, to see whether one has a tumor growing, one doesn’t really want to wait.

  • SFLBIB

    The Man Who Was Treated for $17,000 Less
    by Jeffrey Singer
    Aug. 21, 2013

    online[dot]wsj[dot]com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324139404579017113415486176

  • Willowville

    I am one of the 45% white on Obamacare so I’m sticking with hi.

  • 1Forced_Registration

    The price of things like LCD’s has fallen because they are all made in China who uses slave labor, has no environmental laws, manipulates its currency to keep those prices low, and subsidizes exports even if as company is just breaking even.

    If this is your ideal free market, I don’t want it.

  • IstvanIN

    A single payer system might work in a homogenous society. The more alike a people are, in terms of race, ethnicity, religion, culture and language, the more they can concentrate on what is best for the common good. We spend a tremendous amount of time arguing what is racially fair, culturally sensitive, religiously respectful, what language MUST be spoken or catered to. Even in a very homogenous society you will no doubt have some diversity such as atheists, Catholics in a Protestant country, different sects of Protestants, feminists, gays and of course the young versus the old. Why introduce even more unnatural diversity?

    In addition a single payer system probably will work best in a small country. Large bureaucracies in large countries become ever more distant from the people a government is supposed to SERVE (remember they serve us, or are supposed to, not the other way around). We are becoming like the Soviet Union or China with a bloated national government that has no clue what people at the state and local level need or want. Government close to the people is more answerable to the people. Like most people in NJ, and unlike both our Governor and State Senate President, I am a “home rule” proponent and against merging our municipalities, I like knowing my mayor and Board of Education president. The Feds should be responsible for defense, foreign affairs, interstate commerce, foreign trade and probably the USDA and NIH, and not much else. HUD, Education, the Federal Reserve, Civil Rights, all should go.

    I guess what I am saying is a single payer system here might work at the state level, and only if non-citizens are not allowed to participate. A national system will be a disaster.

  • Brian

    I agree with self-reliance and pride, of course. But I also know there have been times for each of us when we were vulnerable…as children, when we could have been orphaned. Or maybe we take out student loans to go to college, get a job, and then we’re laid off…three months later we’re in a horrible car wreck or get leukemia, and it’s $400,000. I don’t want my white brothers and sisters to be reduced to penury because of something like this.

    I’m not saying I want some cradle-to-grave hammock, but I would like a country of whites striving to maintain and extend the glories of Western Civ without having to worry about that leukemia or orphan situation. Knowing that there is some rudimentary net under you give you the peace of mind required to focus on work, invention and achievement. And I don’t think a nation of whites would have too many parasites to offset this, with the social norms and expectations that we would have (and did have in the past).

  • Illegallyparked

    Attributed to Obama: “And I’m not going to walk away from something that has helped the cost of health care grow at its slowest rate in 50 years.”

    Liberals keep taking credit for this and they need to stop it. The slow cost growth is likely just due to all the uncertainty because nobody knows how the new system will work. Once they learn to game it and get themselves that federal budget payola, the lid will be off. But it still suits them to say that now so they will, and just change the subject later when it’s proven false.

    I’m just sick of all the duplicitousness of this whole thing. Everybody is saying things that anyone can see are not true. Who could seriously say Medicare and Social Security are not redistributive? (Oh that’s right, a political scientist.) The news is full of people cynically saying whatever is convenient.

  • obamacare is going to help a lot of white people.

    And I doubt your numbers.

    I don’t know what obamacare has to do with the anti-white discrimination practiced against us.

    Can someone please explain why we whites who are fighting against anti-white discrimination and mass immigration care about this?

  • WR_the_realist

    Am I being paranoid or are there some people who just down vote every post of John Engelman on some sort of principal?

  • WR_the_realist

    Anybody who wants services for free is asking that the government force somebody else to be his slave. So today, the “liberals” are the biggest advocates of slavery.

    • Sick of it

      Their main constituent ethnic group was involved in the transatlantic slave trade. They were called Dutch or English at the time.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    Tucker, I can give you benefit of my experience.
    My salary as a Board Certified Cardiothoracic Vascular Surgery in a Level I Trauma Center was paid by the hospital, stable with incremental increases over the years. Salary was unrelated to numbers of patients assessed or operated; hours available either in-house or on-call mattered. I rarely had a break. [Retired practice early, collaborating on textbook composition currently].
    Most of our patients were uninsured, blacks, browns, Asians with the unfortunate few insured who suffered life threatening injuries in motor vehicle accidents, those caught in crossfire during a convenience store holdup, victims of black beatdowns, crashed Harleys. Very complex cases, i.e., traumatic rupture of aortas, chest and head injuries; you get the idea.
    We treated many, many shooting and stabbing cases, as this unit serves an inner city demographic.
    Truth is, the cost of medical care began an exponential increase once lawyers in collusion with greedy patients discovered the merits of malpractice lawsuits. Premiums for physicians, hospitals’ atty fees caused even more increase.
    Add to that, sick and diseased patients, non-English speaking, uneducated, most with no health history, many never having seen a physician in his/her life pouring through the door, costs have spun out of control. There is minimal financial compensation for these patients and their numbers are ever increasing. Hospitals practice stop-loss by overcharging the insured.
    Insurance companies are only part of the problem.
    Between malpractice premiums and taxes, most of us brought home about half of what we made.
    Believe me, we earn every penny.
    I’m sure there are those individuals who gouge or over charge, but I don’t know any physician unworthy of his/her fees.

    • Mergatroyd

      John Edwards was one such lawyer. He made millions and millions from suing doctors for malpractice.

      • itdoesnotmatter

        Mergatroyd, I am aware of that scoundrel. There are thousands more ambulance chasing lawyers at large doing the same thing.

  • Ella

    The government has deliberately flooded US labour markets with immigrants and illegals that drive down wages and offered benefits. US has only 66% working aged citizens employed unlike Norway at 77%! (OECD) So the government now tries to offset the service industry low-wage sector with redistributed or borrowed wealth to cover their basics.

    • MBlanc46

      It’s not just the government that did this. The corporate elites are deeply implicated in this, as they’re the ones who employ the lower-wage immigrants.

      • emiledurk16

        The Tyson CEO is especially appalling.

        • MBlanc46

          Entire industries now seem to be Mexican only.

    • ThomasER916

      Don’t name the culprits doing this. It’s not allowed at Amren. We must be vague and speak in generalities.

  • JohnEngelman

    There is not going to be a white ethno state. The growing acceptance and practice of inter racial marriage demonstrates that racial consciousness is declining in America.

    • Brian

      I hate to point out the obvious, but there is a question of whether our economy is sustainable on our current path, or whether it will suffer to the point of violent insurrection. If the latter occurs before all the whites are miscegenated, there will be a…disproportionate impact and response from various ethnic groups.

      • JohnEngelman

        A violent insurrection by the right will benefit the left. The American people respond negatively to those who initiate the use of political violence.

        • Brian

          I’m not referring to an initiation of political violence from the right. I’m talking about a breakdown of the economy, the gov’t’s ability to keep services and payments running, food and fuel riots, leading to martial law. That violence would be initiated by the underclass.

          • JohnEngelman

            The U.S. economy is slowly recovering from the Great Recession.

          • Brian

            Haven’t you suggested that there is an ever-larger pool of Americans who have no utility to the economy, because of globalization, mechanization, etc? The welfare state is inherently dysgenic as it is… the number of those who have to be ‘carried’ is growing, and the number who can do the carrying is shrinking (not to mention the limits of their willingness to do so). Add to that the sunset of the petroleum age, and all the disruption of climate change. I do not see business-as-usual continuing to 2100.

          • JohnEngelman

            The U.S. birth rate is declining, even for blacks.

            The Welfare Reform Act of 1996 ended AFDC as a lifetime entitlement.

          • But then most AFDC clients made the lateral move to not time limited SSI.

          • Emperor Naked

            The recession was even worse in Europe and they haven’t recovered yet as well as we have.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Great Recession has lightly touched countries with Social Democratic economies. I am thinking of the Scandinavian countries, Germany, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Each of those counties is doing better than we are.

        • After JFK was assassinated, “officially” by a left wing extremist, guess which general trajectory American public policy took.

          • Emperor Naked

            I’ve been reading a very interesting book this year; “LBJ, The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination.”

            I am not one for conspiracy theories, but this book is so well documented and so well argued with so much expansive and detailed evidence that I am convinced. You might find it similarly interesting.

          • Just looking at the “Cui Bono” angle, realizing that hindsight is 20/20, the left in general had everything to gain and in fact did gain a lot from JFK being assassinated. However, the problem with theories that assign blame for an event to people who happened to benefit from the circumstances of the event is this: In the great chess game of life, people just don’t think about that many moves in advance. That and there is always uncertainty about the consequences of events.

            Now, Lyndon Johnson had a direct and obvious “Cui Bono,” because that the Vice-President instantly succeeds the President upon the death, resignation or incapacitation of the President was already Constitutional law. And we know that LBJ had his own Presidential ambitions in 1960; but for JFK, LBJ would have probably been the Democrat nominee that year — He was already Senate Majority Leader and had been since 1955.

        • ricpic

          Engelman always has a reason why anything anyone else proposes is futile. There are people who revel in killing hope. Don’t listen to Engelman, he’s one of them.

          • JohnEngelman

            Are you proposing a violent insurrection on the right?

            If so, you better study American history. Violence against civil rights demonstrators benefited the civil rights movement.

            Then the black ghetto riots made the United States a Republican country.

          • Emperor Naked

            Not exactly. What went on was a near civil war. Nixon promised to settle things and HE implemented AA and other programs that all the politicians hoped would buy off the blacks. Remember that the 1964 Republican candidate was Goldwater and he advocated using nukes in Vietnam. I remember the slogans for that campaign; Goldwater; “in your heart, you know he’s right.” Johnson; “in your guts, you know he’s nuts.” Republicans today are the Democrats of 1964.

            By the 1980s we had Ronald Reagan as a Republican and he gave the U.S. its first Amnesty for Hispanics and the Savings and Loan crisis that saw the very people that voted for him lose their retirement funds. They were so dumb that they didn’t care because he talked the way they liked and he quoted his famous movies lines (and Eastwood’s) when “The Gipper” needed to say anything at all.

            The Democratic party has become a frank socialist, anti-white, globalist, open border, Marxist Utopia Pipedream – NIGHTMARE.
            And as the weeks go by, more and more white people are realizing it. When you can hear Ophrah say that more white people have to die on MSM and hear Gloria Steinem say on “The Morning Show” that there are still too many “Pale Male Faces” in American business and politics and then get The Presidential Award of Freedom from Obama, you know that the political climate has made white genocide a foregone conclusion by everything but frank declaration of the intent of eliminate through systematic genocide.

          • Chip Carver

            You’re right ricpic. Studies on interracial marriage show that 97% of Whites marry… Whites. All one ever gets from “them”, the agent provocateurs, is how hopeless and futile it all is. Look at how quickly things went one way. They could go the other way just as quickly, or likely even faster. Which is what they are afraid of. They know it’s all smoke and mirrors, a house of cards. Why even bother with answering the trolls? It just gives them another entry they use as a chance to spread their lies, misuse of facts, their propaganda.

            The posts from the trolls is proof of their fear, proof that they know we’re right and they’re not. At the very least, it shows they’re not done yet with attempting to bleed the carcasses of the US, Europe and Australia dry before running to Patagonia. Check around and you’ll see the frauds behind the curtain – and not a few of their tools – have been buying up most of the land there. They sure spend a lot of time and money monitoring the net. It’s doubtful that some trolls are even a single person. Many are a collective, which is they work anyhow.

          • Emperor Naked

            First, it’s trolls posting out of fear and in knowledge of their lying and then its a conspiracy from the left.

            I trust my 62 years of observation, believing my “lyin’ eyes” more than any such study. Besides there are other studies that show that mixed marriages are way up. So choose your “lie” and let your bias beknown.

          • Chip Carver

            The amount of mixed marriages you see depends on where you live. As far as mixed couples, of course you see more, thank you MTV and the rest of the media. Generally you see some Black male with an extremely unattractive, overweight White woman. Usually the Black fella is gone by the time the first kid arrives, so the unattractive, overweight, and usually unintelligent White woman goes and looks for a new buck. Since White men are more discerning in terms of appearance when it comes to women, these hapless White women end up with another Black or in many cases an Hispanic. Most Blacks and Hispanics will apparently mate with even the most unattractive White women just because they’re White. I guess in their mini-minds they’re “showing us”. Truth be told, these White women who mate with Blacks and browns could do better, but the cultural brainwashing has them settle for less, a quick fix, the easy way. In terms of the overall population of Whites, this is still a very small number of people. Same goes for all of the White men marrying Asian women, statistically a very small percentage of the White population.

            Our main problem is regaining some form of control over society, which at this point likely means creating a new one for Whites. While some say a collapse is no guarantee, nothing is, a collapse of the current “system” still gives us a good shot. We are living in the Chinese curse of interesting times.

        • WR_the_realist

          So far I haven’t seen the American people rising up as one against antifa.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          But detrimental to Jews. Think of the pogroms.

    • Fak_Zakaix

      And let’s hope that Jewish intelligence will end through miscegenation. Amen.

  • Mergatroyd

    The government has no business meddling in the health care industry. Before govt. interference, doctors made house calls and medical care was affordable. Now it is a mess and about to get a whole lot worse.

    Anyone who believes that government knows best how to control markets or knows better than you do should point to one government-controlled entity that works the way the government said it would, efficient and low-cost. Postal service? Medicare? DMV?

    As far as Obamacare. It was designed specifically to bankrupt the middle class and that’s exactly what it looks like it’s going to do. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

    Nov.3, from Forbes: “49-state analysis: Obamacare to Increase Individual-Market Premiums by Average of 41%”

    Hey Obama voters: How’s that working out for you now? How about the young braindead Obama voters who are seeing their working hours cut to down to no more than 29 1/2? That is if they’re hired at all.
    As Jared Taylor said: You Happy Now, You Swine?

  • NM156

    A poll of Zeta Reticuli inhabitants revealed that they think their health care is superior too.

  • freddy_hills

    I remember hearing an audio of Obama that was leaked way back in 2007 in which he said he oppose ‘reparations’. He basically said reparations would only be a one time payment and then it would be done. But if they went for entitlements instead they could milk the system forever.

  • Garrett Brown

    I love going to the store and seeing white babies/toddlers. Not much else in the world more amazing. The blue. green, brown eyes. It puts a smile on my face every time.

    • Alexandra1973

      I have just the one, but like me and like his father he has brown hair and brown eyes. Not to toot my own horn…but once someone told me “he was born cute and stayed cute.”

      Even though he’s getting an attitude now (he’s going on 12) I love my little guy!

      • Garrett Brown

        Handsome young man!

  • I think obamacare will help a lot of my fellow white folks and I hope it stays in place.

    • Bobbala

      Anything that is from those with ability and to those with need, is NOT helping your “fellow white folks”.

      • I disagree.

        • Bobbala

          Enjoy it.

      • yeah, because we whites are all so privileged and rich….

        • Bobbala

          … or because they provide for themselves and others. Blacks everywhere, without exception, depend on other people for their care and feeding.

          Rhodesia fed Africa. Zimbabwe holds its hand out like all the rest.

  • ricpic

    Everything about Engelman screams leftist. What’s he doing here? And don’t reply that I’m threatening you, Engelman. I just don’t get your fish out of water act? Why? Just to be contrary? Yup, that’s probably it. Wierd creature.

    • JohnEngelman

      I respect facts that can be documented, even when they discredit leftist orthodoxies.

      I believe in race realism. However I think of that as a scientific theory, rather than a movement or a cause. Race realism holds that race is an important biological classification, that the races differ significantly in average ability levels and behaviors, that these differences are genetic, and that they have been caused by different evolutionary pressures lasting for centuries and thousands of years.

    • Garrett Brown

      He’s a self educated fail troll, basically.

  • apparently if one believes that mass immigration must stop and that the establishment is anti-white (as I do and as many here do as well), then one must also be against obamacare.

    Can someone explain that to me?

    • Luca

      Too bad you’re White and don’t have common sense. Do your own research, if you have half a brain you’ll get your answer. if not, you’re a lost cause.

      • I am 56 years old and have three degrees, including a doctoral level degree. What about you?

        • Nice Guy

          My d*ck is bigger than yours. 🙂

        • Luca

          Was that suppose to impress me? You certainly haven’t shown any common sense regardless of how many degrees you have.

          Me? College bored me, so I quit. Too much liberal indoctrination and propaganda like injecting social justice into American History by forcing us to read Zinn, regurgitate it and act like we were educated. I got tired of arguing with professors that the country was not founded on racists principles. They did not appreciate another point of view other than the party line. I am self made and self educated. I am 61, an ex-Marine and was serving my country while you were reading Chomsky and singing kumbyah.

          If you have a doctorate, it only proves my point that education and common sense share little in common. I have met many educated fools, your current President is a good example. Since you believe in free healthcare, well, that’s another good example. Your ability to read a book and recite it does not pass for intelligence in my view..

        • Bobbala

          You’ve been well programmed.

          • how so?

          • Bobbala

            You are blinded to reality. Individual people are responsible for their own condition. The people make, or break, the country. There is nothing wrong with African dirt. The responsibility for the abject failure of every black governed country lies with its people.

            The more the prosperous countries look like the third world, the more they look like the third world. The sane reaction is to oppose this.

            Still, “minorities” (even though there are more blacks than whites worldwide) blame all their shortcomings, but non of their considerable successes, on two things — the presence of white people and the absence of white people. This insanity guarantees that they will never improve their condition and you will never know why.

          • look beyond the puppet to the puppetmaster. Otherwise you will always be in the dark….

          • Bobbala

            I’m tempted to say we have found common ground but I think you are probably still for more state control and individual liberty only for those people that agree with you anyway. I hope I’m wrong

        • ThomasER916

          Since none of your degrees required math or reading, here’s the quote:

          “Obamacare… will serve a population that is 54.7 percent minority. ”

          America isn’t 55% minority, which means whites are paying for non-white healthcare. Whites are being forced to pay for tuition, Affirmative Action, welfare, and now healthcare. This is hurting whites since America is mostly white and getting the least from it.

          Try to soak it all in. Just one sentence from an article.

  • emiledurk16

    And the decline of whites is precipitated even more with redistributive measures of wealth made by whites to blacks, illegals and third worlders.
    I remember Obama’s comment “typical white person”.
    I remember Sotomayer’s comment “A wise Latina women would be more qualified than a white male to make a right decision.”
    I remember attorney general Holder dropping the charges against the militant blacks menacing the Philly voting booths.
    And now this pernicious ObamaCare.
    How could anyone have voted for this Marxist community organizer with a declared goal of fundamentally changing America.
    Changing America allright, but certainly not for the better.
    Digressing a bit but was in the company of my friend’s niece–a soon to be graduate of one of the many communist colleges here in the Marxist Northeast.
    Donning a Che Guevera tee she utters the term contemptuously “a rich white person” pertaining to someone I can’t recall.
    Not a peep from any of my white friends.
    I just quietly told the young lady (who’s a nice enough kid, but completely brainwashed) that there’s nothing wrong with being successful, and there sure as hell is nothing wrong with being white.
    Back on track: and Medicare, the program that my father (who worked his balls off his whole life) is being systematically raided to pay for non-white entitlement grabbers who deserve s – – t.
    I’m really sickened.

    • Nice Guy

      You’re being out-bred.

      How many kids do you have, and how do you educate them?

      • emiledurk16

        Fewer than your average black procreator.
        And mine know who their father is.

        • Nice Guy

          Then you need more. They’re out-breeding you.

    • ThomasER916

      I remember being censored by Amren when I point out the crypto-whites.

  • Emperor Naked

    This is a great example of someone making up their own scenario out of ignorance and a remarkable sort of runaway self-delusion.

    First, I AM AN AMERICAN who went to Slovenia for the adventure and experience. I came back because this is my country and I missed it. With all its problems, it’s still home.

    Second, you’re only looking at one side of the economic issue, of which there are many. Health care costs in the U.S. are ridiculously high because of nothing less than greed; greed by private equipment and insurance providers which is further enhanced by a huge culture of litigation of all sorts. In Europe, if a doctor messes up out of carelessness or whatever, they can permanently loose their license or even go to jail. Hospitals are going broke because of being forced to provide free care to immigrants and poor people because we have no system to provide any sort of payment. But NO country can expect to remain in the black if they have open borders that results in basically providing the world with free care.

    Third, I did 14 years of volunteer medical work with the most famous free clinic in America. I put my “money” where my mouth is, do you?

    Fourth, I would happily come out of retirement, but I was phased out because I am an older, white male. So now I try to get by on what I put aside and go fishing.

  • EuroHero

    You’re right, even with all this objection to it, the politicians do whatever in the hell they want. We need to give support to Dr. David Duke and we need to tell others to do the same. Imagine the enormous change this country would undergo if he ever got elected to be president. Europe’s leaders such as the Chancellor of Germany are actually turning against multiculturalism as are more and more white citizens. I just hope that this turning of the tide will hit a critical level before its too late.

    • ThomasER916

      You do know he was chased out of Amren right?

      You’d better read this post before it gets deleted. I’ve already said too much.

      • EuroHero

        Huh? No I definitely did not know. That’s terrible.

  • Emperor Naked

    Australia used to forbid anyone but whites to settle there as late as the 1970s. They gave it up. Now they regret it. Reversing such things as settled in immigrants is very difficult and the globalists know it.

  • Emperor Naked

    Your questions reflect a misconception of both my position and the way the present system works.

    Of course health care personnel should make livings and good ones. Paying salaries and equipment is NOT taking profits by investors. I am referring to insurance companies that sell market shares to investors that hope to reap profits AFTER the cost of providing health care is done. That is what is unethical and one of the major causes for the U.S. to be 38th in the quality of care and the most expensive in the world. The leading 37 includes all the social medicine and even communist countries (Cuba) that you project against in your uninformed predictions.

    The system keeps the American public captive. It does it by restricting access to competitively priced prescription drugs, outrageously priced equipment – like that $10,000.00 Army toilet seat, a stainless steel screw in a hip replacement costs $50,000.00 (last I knew). Then, there’s the legal aspect of our health care system. Doctors carry malpractice insurance and the result of this and the very rare real punishment for malpractice is maybe a little rate hike. In other countries you can loose your license or even go to jail. The system creates poor practices and promotes greedy, careless practitioners that are motivated by greed before their Hippocratic Oath. I could go on to explain how American medical schools and the culture of practice and hospital function adds to all this, but I’ll just leave it at that. EVERYONE has agreed that the present system (and I don’t mean the current system being implemented (with the implementation going on just fine in California)), has been unsustainable for a long time. My only fear is that once again, politics will prevent us from ever getting it right in the U.S. (Not that anything will ultimately prevent the complete collapse of the world’s economy, but that’s a larger discussion).