Hungary: Far-right Party Leader Says “Islam is the Last Hope of Humanity”

Youssef Sourgo, Morocco World News, November 11, 2013

The President of the far-right Hungarian party said that “Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.”

During the recent Hungarian parliamentary elections, the Jobbik movement, a far-right Hungarian party, earned 16.67% of the overall vote, securing 47 seats in the National Assembly. For many, this score was unexpected and unprecedented, especially for a European far-right party.

Subsequently, the President of Jobbika made a trip to Turkey, where he visited various universities.

“We’re not coming to Turkey to build diplomatic and economic relations, but to meet our Turkish brothers and sisters,” Gábor Vona, Jobbika’s president, was quoted as saying by Islametinfo.fr.

According to the same source, the far-right leader also claimed that “the West does not tolerate seeing my party support Turkey and other Turanian peoples, such as Azerbaijanis, in international conflicts.”

Gábor Vona also affirmed that his party had no relationship with the Islamophobic, far-right European parties.

Jobbik’s president also stated that the Turkish society, grounded on love of the family, respect for tradition and a strong sense of patriotism, was a great example for Hungary.

According to Gábor Vona, the relationship between Hungary and Turkey is based on fraternity and not just friendship.

According to Islametinfo.com, the Jobbik party’s leader also emphasized, on many occasions, that “Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.”

Also on the universal significance of Islam, Gábor Vona has stated confidently on the official website of his party:

“Africa has no power; Australia and South-America suffer from perplexed identity due to their much congested societies. Considering all this, there’s only one culture left which seeks to preserve its traditions: it is the Islamic world.”

Furthermore, Vona said that his personal life was influenced by Islam and Muslims that he has met as friends and colleagues throughout his life. More surprisingly, one of the witnesses at his wedding was a Palestinian, something that infuriated his opponents.

[Editor’s Note: See here for Gábor Vona’s official position on Islam.]

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  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I can understand why someone might dislike liberalism and globalism, but I don’t see why that means we should embrace other nutty belief systems.

    Embracing Islam would be the end of Europe as we know it.

  • Puggg

    Has he lost his marbles? Or is he just that desperate?

    • My bet is desperation. I put it in the same category as some of our favorite websites and some of our favorite commenters therein pushing various memes over the years, such as:

      * Black people are on the verge of becoming great immigration patriots. Blacks will save us! And, as an aside, we have to stop denouncing black crime and stop threatening to take away blacks’ gibsmedat.

      * White liberals are on the verge of becoming racial realists or racial or ethnic nationalists or immigration patriots. White liberals will save us! Small print: We have to ditch the social issues so as not to offend white liberals.

      * Libertarians are on the verge of (ibid.). Libertarians will save us! Catch: We have to adopt economic policies that will turn off big percentages of white voters.

      * Gays are on the verge of becoming anti-black, because ghetto blacks like to assault gays in the cities that they share in common. Hitch: Quit saying things like “homosexuality is immoral.”

      Now we can add to that:

      * Islam will save us! (Save us from the Muslim hoardes?) Okay, our white western ladies, get used to burquas and FGM.

      We’re surrounded by lunatics, loons, crackpots and nuts all around, even in our own camps.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        You see stuff like this on a lot of *far* right-wing sites

        If only more blacks were like Thomas Sowell (which is not possible given the bell-curve distribution) there would be no problem.

        Don’t mention Kevin MacDonald ever (even if it’s only lukewarm praise).

        Feminism has hurt blacks! (lets look at their numbers and check shall we).

        • “If only more blacks were like Thomas Sowell”

          From our mouths to God’s ears.

          “Feminism has hurt blacks”

          Sure, because the fact that a vast majority of black households are single mother-led is entirely the fault of Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug and Gloria Steinem, and has absolutely nothing to do with the folkways of the black African going back to the eighth day of creation.

          • David Ashton

            Plantation slavery is also blamed for the breakdown of black family life, but the native African communities have a very different idea than the hitherto Christian white world of responsible fatherhood. The combination of desegregation with welfare-statism did more harm than good, all round.

      • Jefferson

        I never understood why some people at American Renaissance foolishly associate The Libertarian Party with being the party of racially aware Whites.

        I have seen some Libertarians say the prison industrial complex is run by racist White supremacists who enjoy locking up Black males and treating them like slaves. These Libertarians believe the police state just walks around arresting innocent law abiding Black men who are just minding their own business.

        Does that sound like a racially aware White person to you ? That sounds like a guilt ridden White person to me.

        The Libertarian movement is full of White guilt and they tend to be some of the biggest defenders of Bantu drug dealers.

        A very high percentage of Libertarians are basically just Liberals who do not like to pay taxes.

        You take the tax issue away and many of them are basically just Liberals.

        • It’s even simpler than that. To be a libertarian, you must deny the notion that particular groups of people that have a natural relationship to each other (i.e not coalitions of the willing) have group or collective rights. IOW, you have to deny race or ethnicity. If you don’t deny race and ethnicity, you aren’t a libertarian. The proper libertarian thinks that all there really is in this world are just all the raceless individuals of the world going wherever and doing whatever in pursuit of their “rights” and doing so with a minimum of state coercion.

          Why do some of our people dabble in it? Because they think that our racial or other sorts of enemies are disparately impacted by it in the negative sense. That and libertarians have conned a lot of people that our only options are them or the gulag of state oppression. Of course, we’re not supposed to pay attention to the fact that most governing ideologies through most of human history have been neither libertarian or maliciously authoritarian, they have been somewhere in between.

          • David Ashton

            Libertarians do not properly grasp the concept of parenthood and biological relationships, which cannot be totally replaced by a concept based solely on contracts between rational adults, and ratified by either a minimal state or private arbitration agencies based on voluntary insurance.

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          This libertarian issue has been brought up many times and there are three points I’d like to make:

          1. The libertarian establishment and most libertarians are basically cultural Marxists.
          2. Libertarians are in general more sympathetic towards race realism than leftists.
          3. Economic and civil liberties are good things but they’re not all that matters and we must deal with the fact that we live in the real world and not some abstract model.

      • Spartacus

        It’s not desperation,as their party is the strongest it’s ever been. Pan-Turanism is a very old mental illness that some Huns have.

        • hastings88

          Hungarians (Magyars) and not even Huns. They occupy the region where Atilla held his seat of power. A Magyar friend of mine told me about the seven tribes of the Magyars, which includes Finns and even Joos.

          • They don’t “occupy” it; they live there.

          • David Ashton

            And Tibetans! And Sumerians!! And Jesus!!

            Come back, St Stephen, all is forgiven!

      • NM156

        This must be a cynical political move. Who knows what’s going on in Hungary?

    • LolKatzen

      Hungary is bitterly resentful of how much land they lost to Romania in WW I. They lost a lot, but Austria-Hungary was on the losing side and suffered accordingly.

      It was bottled up in the Communist era, but it is coming out now, in kooky behaviour. There are almost no Muslims living in Hungary or he would NEVER get away with this. The Muslims are all in Western Europe where they are rather unpopular. See France and the UK for example.

      Hungary is in a weird time warp. They are also identifying with Turkey on some imagined linguistic linkage. Hungarian is one of the few non-Indo-European languages in Europe and they fancy it’s related to Turkish. The guy is crazy as a loon.

      • Etruscan was an Uralic language like Hungarian. I think Finnish and the Baltic languages as well.

  • DaveMed

    The last hope? If you like Islam that much, you can just lie back on your couch while they conquer the West with nary a whimper of protest!

  • je suis paganisme

    “The more righteously you spread the gospel of democracy and human rights, the stronger the resistance against you grew. The more Muslims got to know your liberated society, the more they rejected it.” (Generation Identity, Markus Willinger, Arktos Media Ltd., 2013, p. 65).

    Muslims have some good things; they have some bad things. But they are opposing the egalitarians, which is good. But they are also imposing their will on Europe, which is appalling. They are Muslims, what else do you expect them to do? They are much like the Christians in the Roman Empire. They have a divine vision, and they will not conform.

    The Roman state eventually, as a matter of political expediency, thought that accomodating the Christian viewpoint could be advantageous to the Empire. Constantine, himself, seems to have played to both Pagans and Christians. Paganism needed an infusion of new energy, and the European version of Christianity provided it. Some of the best military men of Rome came from the ranks of the Christian Germanics, and the Christian vision united the disparate pagan elements into one faith. But make no mistake, the Pagan elements were always there.

    “The presence of millions of Muslims in Europe represents a continuing threat to the peace of our continent. Not because the Muslims are the embodiment of pure evil, but because your multi-cultural society does not work.” (ibid)

    Vona apparently thinks that Islam can be modified for Europeans, much like Christianity was in the Roman Empire. He might be right. The same was done with the “Germanization” of Christianity, to meet the needs of the time.

    Perhaps Islam can be “Germanized” or “Europeanized.”

    Don’t rule it out.

    • dd121

      Just my opinion but I think all non-Christians (ie Moose Lums) should be expelled from Western countries.

      • All non-Christians or just muslims? Which is it?

        • dd121

          I wanted to emphasize muzzies but hindus, buddhists, shintos, new agers, et al. are all welcome to go back to their homelands or wherever it is they feel more comfortable.

          • Would you expel non-Christian White Nationalists, while allowing black Christians to stay?

    • captainc

      yes, it can. just like christianity. a europeanized middle eastern religion.

      here is what he said in his website:

      Since
      the Arabs (here I must add that many people confuse the Arab world with
      the Islam, which fatuity doesn’t even worth mentioning) fighting the
      Jews and since I don’t like the Jews, they think my enemy’s enemy must
      be Islam. But this is not the case. So what it is about? For the
      illustration of that I have to go deeper.

    • Eddie Lutz

      Turkey is a shining example of Europeanized Islam. Bosnia, Kosovo, a couple more examples. Not pretty.

    • David Ashton

      It is essentially Arabic in origin, scripture, theology, holy sites, organisation, and “pillars”. Albania provides an example of a European Islam which may not appeal to any other people in the western world. Putting some backbone back into Christianity would have more success and relevance.

  • David Ashton

    Greater Turania?

    Gabor Vona’s intellectual mentors (including the occultists) would not have been too happy about this foreign policy drift towards the Islamic (not only Arab) world.

  • M.

    This guy is nuts. If you’re against egalitarianism, just make it your party’s base and make the case for it. A lot simpler than introduce to your people an alien and hostile religion.

    • David Ashton

      I don’t think he is nuts. He is quite clever and well read (if eclectically). But brainy lucid people who are seriously mistaken and objectively dangerous are worse than gibbering loonies. Anyone can see some “good” bits and many “bad” bits in Islam, but it is a package, not a pick-and-mix like Hinduism, Judaism or modern Christianity.

  • T_Losan

    Many will disagree, but your average educated Muslim will have more in common with a white nationalist than your average educated white person under 40. Muslims by and large believe in traditional gender roles, racialism, moderation, family, etc.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      But in a totally negative way, it’s one thing to disapprove of say homosexuality, it’s another thing to want to hang them from cranes. It’s one thing to believe in traditional gender roles, it’s another thing to throw acid in the faces of girls trying to go to school.

      • curri

        I don’t think those things are done in Turkey-or in Obama’s former Islamic homeland of Indonesia. They’re mostly limited to a few countries. But they’re starting to come to Syria, and brought by fanatical Salafists-jihadis backed by CIA, Israel and KSA.

        • captainc

          exactly.

      • captainc

        there are arabs, there are afghans, and there is islam. there are muslims and islam.

    • Jefferson

      If Islam is so culturally great, why are the majority of Muslim countries 3rd world ? There are not too many Muslim countries that are considered 1st world and fully developed.

      • T_Losan

        well, there’s the UK…kidding, only just.

        • David Ashton

          Thanks again. We Limeys just “lurve” this site.

      • captainc

        because they were corrupted by 2nd compilation of documents called hadiths and there was a backward muslim philosopher in 8th century (Al-Ghazali) who said there is nothing else to be learned under thr sun except stated in Qur’an. Before that, muslim worlds were fluent in ancient Greeks and Indian scholarchips.

      • A big part of that is their inbreeding, which lowers IQ.

    • Spartacus

      They worship a mentally ill pedophile, and imitate him at every occasion they get. I can assure you that if I had a lot in common with the average muslim, I would’ve had the decency to hang myself.

      • T_Losan

        Perhaps you haven’t had the pleasure of talking to the average college-educated city dwelling white in the US, Canada, or the UK.

        • Spartacus

          Never said I have much in common with those either.

    • David Ashton

      Not “racialism” surely.

  • HJ11

    Well, at least he’s bringing out the Zionist trolls who are trying to enlist non-Jews as their allies against the Muslims and, who, in furtherance of this, are wrapping themselves in the American flag and trying to get Tea Party and born again Christians all riled up.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Zionism was the political movement to create a jewish state, nothing more and nothing less. Those who don’t like jews living in america or whatever country should be zionists themselves and encourage jews to live in Israel. It’s the perfect solution. Hitlerite genocide is NOT a solution, ok???

      • Can we do THAT with the blacks and Muzzies instead?

        • David Ashton

          Count up the numbers and locations of all the black and muslim people on the globe, and you have a practical answer, if not a moral one.

    • David Ashton

      It is possible to oppose Islam, Zionism, Paganism, Christian Fundamentalism, Secular LIberalism and Anarcho-Capitalism, and still defend White Civilization, but it’s quite a job in the circumstances.

  • NorthernWind

    He is, in a sense, correct in saying that Islam is a force against liberalism however he is wrong in saying that it is the only one. For starters, it is not a good ideology for Europe, especially not Western and Northern Europe. But there are a number of alternatives, from fascism to radical traditionalism, and everything in between. Far-right parties like the Front Nationale are somewhat “islamophobic” in that they are merely reacting to Islam. That being said, far right ideologies like radical traditionalism and even fascism often respect Islam while simultaneously saying that it is not the solution for us.

    There are many options, we need not turn to Islam.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      Most people instant equate facism with Nazism so it will be a tough sell. Personally I think facism is a good idea when you consider the myriad ways in which democracy fails, many facist regimes such as Chile under Pinochet and Singapore have been quite prosperous.

    • hastings88

      Islam is an alien, anti-scientific mythology; most of its adherents are non-Europeans and the enemies of Europeans. We must not turn to Islam. It’s a completely ridiculous idea.

  • jackryanvb

    What an idiot! If this supposedly “nationalist” Hungarian leader knew anything about Turkish history he would know that WhiterNationalist Turks who favor positive, pro European policies have always been anti Islam. The Turkish nationalist leader Ataturk banned Islamic dress and gave the Turkish army the right/duty to step in an rule if any Religious Islamic party ever threatened the secular Turkish Republic.
    Islam is always associated with anti White – Whiter Iranians/Persians, Syrians, Lebanese are anti Islam.
    The brutal facts of life are that over 98% of the world’s Muslims are non White – Algerian Muslims ethnically cleansed White Pied Noir French form formerly French Algeria.
    Was this guy misquoted? Could anyone image a White Nationalist/Populist leader in Britain, France or Holland saying something this stupid.
    Only David Duke here in America thinks we can work with muslims and they are supposedly on our side against… the tribe.

  • WASP

    Islam is a thoroughly savage religion with only one goal of world-wide conquest and a world-wide caliphate under Sharia law. I don’t respect anything about Islam. This man, Gábor Vona, to me is very twisted. I’m a woman; Islam is particularly brutal to women.

    • Sick of it

      They often treat men and boys in the same nasty ways they treat women and girls, it just isn’t reported as frequently. Filthy people.

      • WASP

        Yes, I’m sure you’re right. Islam is a depraved religious ideology sprang from a depraved mind (their prophet, Mohammed).

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Indeed, they abducted millions of boys, forced them to convert to Islam, then sent them against their own people. That is as nasty as it gets, along with mass castration of “infidels.”

        • Sick of it

          Or taking hostages to ensure good behavior, like they did with Vlad Tepes and his brother Radu. Radu was sent to fight his brother and people as you mentioned above. They probably regretted not killing Vlad when he was in their custody.

    • Jackryanvb

      My kind of gal.

  • curri

    Maybe he’s thinking that if he cultivates allies in the Islamic world the EU and the WJC is less likely to give his party the Golden Dawn treatment. The EU (and other forces) are using Muslims to control/neuter the indigenous peoples of Europe-but those same globalists are not enamored of anything approaching traditional Muslim values. The EU no doubt likes the fact that many of the most dangerous Muslims in Europe are actually nonobservant secular hedonist “racial muslims” whose real religion is anti-white hatred.

  • IstvanIN

    This is very upsetting. The Hungarians are a Christian people. What the Hungarians need is a return to traditional Christian values. With the removal of the word “republic” from the country’s name and the admission in the new constitution that Hungary is a Christian nation, I was hoping for a monarchical restoration. Oh how wish that, with the fall of communism, Dr. Otto von Habsburg had been crowned and been allowed to lead the Hungarians into a new era of freedom. Why are so many politicians like Gábor Vona such traitors to their people and traditions? Hopefully he is an anomaly in Jobbik.

    • Spartacus

      Actually, Turanism isn’t specific to Islam. There’s also a “Turanic Christianity” movement in Hungary that claims, among other things, that Jesus was one of their own…

      • Why do you hate Hungarians? They’re well behaved these days. It costs a lot less to make a friend than it does to fight an enemy, after all.

        • IstvanIN

          Why do you think he hates Hungarians? Although, as a Romanian, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was. As for the Magyars being well behaved, in fact the Magyars have been victims more than victimizers throughout history.

          • Spartacus

            “Magyars have been victims more than victimizers throughout history.”

            —————————————————————————————-

            I’m not gonna reply to that for reasons made clear in my reply to M.C. Scott.

          • IstvanIN

            It is sad that you hate Hungarians. Pan-European unity is needed now more than ever. But I suppose living in the past and fighting old battles is more important than the future. Perhaps one day you will have a chance to exterminate the Hungarian people. May it bring you much joy. Hate is such a wonderful thing.

          • Spartacus

            The fact that I’m willing to put aside my feelings regarding huns and am willing to cooperate with them should be proof that I’m actually serious about it. There are many things I wish to say now, but don’t precisely for that reason. As for living in the past, I suggest you talk about that to the Jobbik supporters, and ask them if their flags and slogans represent the past, or what they want the future to look like.

          • They’re not Huns, and though some of them once were, you might ask yourself what drove them out of the steppes in the first place.

          • Winston_Jack

            The red and white striped flag (Arpad flag) depicts an image map of “rump” Hungary (current borders) and “Greater” Hungary, which was a LONG time ago. What these short sighted patriots faile to realize is that if by some sort of divine intervention they actually aquired the territories they envision, ethnic Magyars would probably be just another minority in their “Greater” kingdom. this didn’t work out too well during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and there is no reason to believe it now.
            The last thing Whites need is a continuation of petty European nationalisms.

        • Spartacus

          Hungarians have always been my people’s enemies, and they always will be. When I realized our entire race is on the verge of extinction, I temporarily buried the proverbial hatchet with all those Whites I hate or dislike. My post there is accurate :

          https://en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism#Christian_Turanists

          And it has no hate in it.

          • The English have always been the enemies of the Scots, Welsh and Irish, but I can’t make myself hate them. They’re too good in other respects. The Russians were our temporary enemies during the Cold War, but I never hated them. For a while I dated a nice Ukrainian/Tartar lady. Her green irises and epicanthic eyefolds were a nice combination. Japanese were some rough bastards during World War Two, and I once never imagined I would end up marrying one. I think it was one of the best things that ever happened to me.

            Human societies sometimes fight each other, but we are not rival ant hives, so there is no reason for permanent hostility. Where whites are concerned, I believe the United States and Australia have been quite successful in ameliorating inter-European ethnic antipathy. The rust belt is full of Poles and Germans, who have no historic reason to like each other, but they don’t pay any attention to that. That old “stuff” was somewhere else, and not here.

          • Spartacus

            Things are different in Europe that they are in North America. It would be hard for me to explain, but I can assure you wounds here are many, they’re deep, and a lot of them are still fresh.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            That is because those who cannot be names like pouring salt into those wounds.

          • It isn’t necessary to blame Jews. Lots of Christian whites are vicious hot-heads. The open, festering sore that was Northern Ireland didn’t involve Jews in any way.

          • If you keep picking at those wounds, they’re never going to heal. You’re young. Get a Eurail pass and travel. Stay at youth hostels. Meet lots of people and talk to them. You’re English is excellent and your writing is good, so you could probably make money on a travel documentary.

          • Spartacus

            *Your English

            Yeah, I’m that good 🙂

            But it’s not just about old wounds. Several leaders of Jobbik have openly threatened war on my country. What the hell am I supposed to say to that ?!?!?

          • You could start calling that city Temesvar again, or come to the US. Here, you’d be just another white guy. As a caveat, during my own travels and travails, I almost always managed to bring my problems with me.

          • Spartacus

            Sorry, not going anywhere. I will live and be buried on my ancestors’ lands, nowhere else .

          • David Ashton

            That is the one sentiment I share with you.

          • Are you saying you wouldn’t like to see the museums in Vienna? The Russian tank museum at Kubinka? The Louvre? Ski in Colorado? Fish for sharks off the Sydney heads and have one land in the boat? This would be unimaginative on your part.

          • Spartacus

            If I’ll ever afford a real vacation, I’ll go to Italy, Greece or maybe Japan. I’m not particularly Interested in traveling though.

          • David Ashton

            I’m glad to hear you don’t hate us English, after all. I have always admired the Scots and the Welsh, but this has not been greatly reciprocated in recent years. I like the Irish very much, though they had better reasons to dislike my ancestors or at any rate some of our rulers. We need to retain our United Kingdom, and we need a true Union of Europeans – in defense against others, but not to destroy other homelands in return.

          • English gardens and homes are beautiful.

          • David Ashton

            Roosevelt and his coterie undermined us during and after the war.

            My own postwar colleagues and I didn’t give up on “eastern Europe”. I worked with several groups, including expellee and refugee organisations, for its liberation from Soviet communism, among other things organising the multinational half-century commemoration of the millionfold Victims of Bolshevism in London in 1967, and writing for the journal “East-West Digest” throughout its life.

            Thanks for the remarks about our gardens.

  • IstvanIN

    This man is a nit-wit, I suppose the Turks taking Vienna would be a blessing to him.

  • Spartacus

    I never liked Jobbik, and I never will.

  • Dave4088

    There are certainly other and better options than a backward, obscurantist, intolerant religion like Islam. Also, Islam seeks global dominance much like the rootless and raceless liberalism infecting the white West that Jonas decries. If those that purport to be leaders of disaffected white Europeans say Islam is the answer than things have gone from very bad to virtually hopeless.

  • screaminjay

    I understand what he’s saying and to a certain extent, I may agree. They try to preserve their culture, we are destroying ours.

  • The Final Solution

    Hitler admired the Arabs because they were great conquerors and said that Germany itself would have been better off if the Arabs had conquered them around 700 a.d.

    • Spartacus

      That’s only a quote from Speer, and it’s not even accurate:

      “Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial
      inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the
      harsher climate of the country. They could not have kept down the more
      vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans
      could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”

      But keep in mind, this is what Speer claims to have been a declaration of Hitler, we only have his word for it, and no other proof.

    • De Doc

      If Hitler had really said that, then he was ignorant of European history. The Germanic Franks under Charles Martel handed the invading Moors their asses at Tours in 732 CE and without the need of any cavalry contingents. Charlemagne continued the push against the Muslims in Iberia and probably saved the most northern reaches of Christian Spain from destruction. These remnants of the old Visigothic kingdoms slowly recovered to start the arduous process of Reconquista.

      Europe would have turned into a nightmare had the Muslims taken the whole continent and the world at large would still be locked into the Dark Ages.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Hitler had no use for Christianity, and we all know what he though of the jews. But he liked islam. Why? Because Islam is a hate filled, barbaric nazi-like religion. So it’s not surprising that Nazi Jobbik is allied with islam.

  • hastings88

    Jobbik is now irrelevant. They have gotten into bed with one of the enemies of Western Civilization. They are as much a problem now as liberals and don’t deserve to be considered right wing.

  • Garrett Brown

    It’s much more violent and anti female. Not nutty, but more extreme.

    • Eddie Lutz

      What have Muslims invented, other than what they stole from the Persians and Byzantines and claimed credit for? Islam is incompatible with artistic expression and creative thought. Christianity is masochism to Islam’s sadism, but at least science and art has flourished under Christianity. You cannot say the same about Islam.

      • Garrett Brown

        Agreed. The greatest European civilizations came from majorly Catholic believing citizens. I’m against all religion fundamentally, but I will always argue a Christian community is much more positive than an Islamic one. I mean, all you have to do is read the quran and then the bible and compare. The bible is violent and oppressive, but the quran is EXTREMELY violent and oppressive. Plus from what I have read about Muhammad and the atrocities he committed, I can’t fathom ever supporting any ideas from a mind as sick as his. At least Jesus Christ was relatively peaceful.

        • David Ashton

          The Golden Rule is present in all major religions other than Islam. But of course we have our “romaniacs” who do not accept it either.

          • Sick of it

            You’re pretty tough on Spartacus, but you might be going a little too far sometimes. I don’t agree with him on everything, but Vlad Tepes’ approach made more sense and did more to secure our homelands than begging and pleading with heartless monsters on the other side.

          • David Ashton

            There was a playground chant in what used to be my country: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.”

            Criticising various people on AmRen for advocating genocide of one group or another is hardly excessive. It is also going “too far” to say that all black people are not human, or that my fellow-countrymen are all cowards.

          • Sick of it

            At this point in time, we all have to agree that our countrymen are cowards. We are like those women who habitually return to abusive husbands or boyfriends…

          • David Ashton

            I no longer intend to contribute to this website, unless personally attacked and perhaps not even then.

            There have been far too few positive contributions to well-informed “propaganda” and to international co-operation in defence of our white nations.

            My little remaining time will be given to writing primarily in defence the English people – and keeping “the home fires burning” here in England.

  • Garrett Brown

    A contradiction to be sure. You can’t be far right and support Islam with white skin. Well, you can but you’d be insane. I guess that’s the most accurate description of this Gabor Vona.

  • hastings88

    Exactly right, Stageo. Turks are our historical enemies as much as anyone. They wish they had conquered and subjugated all of Europe. They certainly tried.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Ukrainians and Russians certainly have no love for the Turks. As for breaking their “lust for Europe” I am afraid the only way to do that is to wipe them out. Few westerners know they have a huge and modern military, with half a million men in the Turkish army alone. They are indeed a threat to all European peoples, the Slavs especially. Only a few hundred miles separates Ukraine from them. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bargained with. They can only be killed, and their nations laid waste when they provide the provocation.

      • David Ashton

        Quite a nuclear fall-out then, from Istanbul to Cairo, Mogadishu to Mecca, Tehran to Dakha, etc.! How many children do you intend to roast alive?

        • Survival is always moral.

          • David Ashton

            Since the Japanese gave other people, including whites, a rough time in WW2 and before, would it be a good idea to repeat Hiroshima and Nagasaki to kill all their kids?

  • Eddie Lutz

    Not impressed with Islam. Everywhere it exists, it rests upon the ruins of a much more advanced civilization. The ancient Persians, the Egyptians, the Byzantines, etc. – what is there now but garbage? Will Europe thrive under Islam as the Greeks of Asia Minor did? Please.

  • Northern American-Nationalist

    There could not be a starker difference between Mohammed of Mecca and Jesus of Nazareth except for that they were both at the epicenter of a new universalistic religion.

    All religions, like everything else in this world, are not equal.

  • Beheadings in Saudi Arabia for pretend-crimes like “blasphemy”.

    • Garrett Brown

      Why can you reply to him but I cannot? It says awaiting moderation. Mods? …

  • ViktorNN

    Just like its sister religion Christianity, Islam has a universalist bent in the sense that Islamic doctrine sees everyone as potential muslims and seeks to convert the world to Islam.

    But I think this is essentially a contradictory impulse at odds with the true soul of Islam. At its heart Islam is a deep cultural expression of the desert peoples of the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia.

    Which is why I find this white Hungarian rightist’s claim that “Islam is the last hope of humanity” perplexing. Islam is not for humanity, nor is it for white people. White people – especially Western European white people – have no natural tie to Islam. It’s as foreign as voodoo. In fact, when it comes to dealing with Islam’s expansionistic, universalist tendencies Islam is a hostile, enemy ideology to white people and our natural ways of life.

    • Jackryanvb

      VictorNN writes:

      “I find this white Hungarian rightist’s claim that “Islam is the last hope of humanity” perplexing”

      JR responds:

      You’re perplexed, can’t seem to figure this one out huh. Let me help ya pal:

      This guy’s a ;&$&@ idiot, traitor, a loon.

      Sucking up to nasty throat cutting Muslims is something we can not and will not tolerate. If he likes and respects these filthy, swarthy Paki-Chetnian-Algerian Mudslime so much, he can hang out in Oldham England, oh he will be asked to bring his 11 and 12 year old sister, also his 14 year old brother – the Mudslime like to rape handsome White boys and girls.

      • ViktorNN

        That’s not really an explanation, but thanks for your response anyway, PAL.

  • Islam means “submit”. They will never tolerate anyone as a separate people because their desired global caliphate requires universal submission. I am not religious, so my worship consists of more honest things like vegetable gardening, cooking and woodworking. I will never submit.

    I know what to do with them instead. I love Bon’s pictures, but this is a B-61:

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Personally, I believe the West, Russia, or both will be forced to annihilate the Muslim menace, with nuclear weapons. At a museum in my city, there is a casing from a deactivated B-61 nuclear bomb on display. It is small enough for a fighter jet to carry several of them, and it came with “dial a yield.” That means the pilot could set the yield from 300 tons to 150,000 tons of TNT.

      • I think your upper picture is a B-41 – bulky, but also the most efficient one ever produced. Size really does matter at times. If memory serves, there were two versions of it. One had a U-238 jacket to provide a nasty fission tertiary, and the other had steel for a lower, but cleaner yield.

      • David Ashton

        This would appeal to some people in Tel Aviv too.

  • These days Muslims are the only people standing up for traditionalism – preserving their people, race, identity, traditions and yes, religion. It is this straightforwardness, honesty and self-confidence which attracts people.
    In my opinion, there is a massive pent up desire for traditionalism in the West which is being artificially supressed by anti-White liberals and globalists. But as soon as there is a genuine White, Western alternative – a return to traditionalism – people will stop kowtowing to Islamic culture and start the process of re-discovering their roots.

    • Jackryanvb

      Oh shut up!

      Virtually every single European Country besides (not so Great) Britain have very successful populist, nationalist parties defending their unique cultures and traditions. The Swiss People’s Party is the #1 party in Switzerland, the French Front Nationale is in position to become the #1 political party in France.

      Other nations of our White Indo European People are fighting, resisting, WORKING hard and they’re winning.

      In contrast too many White Americans do nothing much except sit on the couch and moan and grown and say:

      We’re losing – or else they spread insane nonsense that we should embrace/respect the Muslims.

      Oh shut up.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims.

    • ViktorNN

      Islamic traditionalism is for the people who created it. It has nothing to offer white European people. In fact, it is hostile to us and seeks to repress our true nature.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Exactly. Islamic traditionalism is our enemy. What use to us is a retrograde culture that believes women are slaves, and believes in declaring war on Judeo-Christian culture?? The Catholic Bishop of Iraq described Islam the best when he said that the Islamic religion has destroyed the culture of the Arabic people.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Traditionalism is only good for us when it is European cultural traditions. Our roots our Judeo-Christian. Islam in antithetical to Western culture, plain and simple. I could care less about the Islamic culture being preserved. I don’t want my wife to have to walk around covered head to toe in 90 degree heat, and think She is a slave. The Islamic culture is garbage. Every European country needs to slam their door on Muslim immigration. Other than the cuisine, the culture of the Islamic countries is complete garbage.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Hitler is insane given that Christianity was a warrior religion. Many pagan European people converted to Christianity because they saw Christ as the ultimate warrior, the warrior who defeated death. That made conversion of entire peoples relatively bloodless. Indeed Christianity had been imposed at the point of a sword upon millions of Europeans between 300 and 1000 A.D., the last pagan holdouts being the Slavs and the Norse. People forget that for 300 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, very few died in the name of Christianity at the hands of Christians. In contrast, oceans of blood were spilled by Muslims in the name of Islam. If Jobbik is really pro-Islam, given what the Muslims have done to the Hungarian people in the past, one fact is clear. Jobbik has just exposed itself as a mortal enemy of the Hungarian people.

  • convairXF92

    A 1980s travel guide (forgot which publisher) claimed that Western male tourists to Arabic Muslim countries can be at risk of “violent homosexual rape”.

  • Their cooking is first-rate.

  • Stephen Dalton

    This man is insane! Islam is a retrograde culture that would kill everything good in our culture.

    • That is the entire purpose of Islam. It always kills everything good because that is the purpose of Islam. It is evil.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Indeed. This man needs to take a good, hard look at what Muslim immigration has done to some communities in England, France, Germany, and Sweden. Muslims have an ultimate goal of destroying our European culture and civilization.

  • David Ashton

    As a non-Christian, I would say first of all “It was OUR nuttiness”.

  • David Ashton

    This is the situation in a nutshell: (1) Islam in a version like that of Sayyid Qutb would appeal to many of “our” people and form a bulwark against globalism and corruption, but (2) Islam has revived as a universal missionary religion, with plants outside its own original culture zone. The latter presents a serious problem for us, irrespective of our views on Israel or neo-con globalism. There is also China.

  • David Ashton

    Speer reported this, and it is probably a genuine quote. However, Hitler was a Social Darwinist, who began vaguely as a Christian and became an anti-Christian “rationalist”. He supported the Arabs only as an ally against Jews and Communism.

  • Winston_Jack

    The whole concept of a “Turanic” peoples was something that was adopted by Hungarians in the years following WWI when they (understandably) felt betrayed by the rest of Europe (especially the West) and sought to re-invent their identity so to speak by identifying with peoples from their perceived origins in Central Asia. This manifested itself during the 1930’s as part of the new “Hungarianism” movement. However, the Turanic concept has been debunked by the Hungarian national academy of sciences.

    As someone with significant Magyar background and a previous admirer of Jobbik, I find this development of events to be very disturbing and unsettling. Islam has been the enemy of White Europeans for centuries, and has nothing to offer us, least of all a role model. And what Spartacus mentioned about them wanting to declare war on Romania can only result in there being no more Hungary or Romania left to defend. I’m ready to stand with fellow Europeans against an existential threat which is what we are now facing, and consider these acts of Jobbik–assuming this Vona fellow is sincere about them– to be a form of betrayal.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I agree. A true Hungarian nationalist would want to close the borders to all of the Islamic slime pit countries, with their retrograde cultures of Harems and Jihads, and keep Muslims out of Hungary, not stupidly entertain the fantasy that Islam will in any way preserve European culture.

  • Algebra was developed in what is now India. The Hindus are no slouches when it comes to mathematics.

  • I am completely willing to let them be different from us, but I insist on reciprocity: Islam must allow us to be different from them.

  • David Ashton

    Why not revive a “sexist” social structure WITHOUT Allah and Muhammad as his Prophet PBUH, the Koran and Hadith, etc? In the interest of the reproduction and decent upbringing of white children?

  • David Ashton

    Well, it didn’t happen, and it certainly isn’t going to happen if Europe were to surrender to Muhammad and the Koran.

  • Sick of it

    Show me the scriptures which support feminism.

  • Albert Ehrlichman

    I think the west should return to their ancestors pagan religions. Surely worshiping European gods would promote European nationalism. Anyway in the case of Norse paganism, its more compatible to science than Christianity. The creation myth sounds like the big bang, and humans were a more primitive form until the gods made us modern humans (evolution).

  • Exoplanet Finder

    Only if when they were finished, WE did the same to them, their example being as necessary as you say, and then reached out to their brethren in the Middle East and did it to them as well. They can do nothing for us that an indigenous movement cannot do better, for it is not the ideology that is the end all. It is the race.

  • Dunnyveg

    I will certainly agree with this fellow that liberalism, of which globalism is a part, is killing us. But that hardly makes Islam good.

  • Fr. John+

    I’ve heretofore admired Jobbik, but Vona, with these comments, has just become Chamberlain, and it’s 1938 in Europe all over again; but this time, it’s not Hitler, it’s Islam. What an ass… and a Hungarian one, to boot! Clearly, this man has never heard of Lepanto.

  • TEE207

    Gabor Vona is right. Perhaps he is the ONLY European nationalist today who has understood History in contemporary times and past times. The only force that stands against the “Gog & Magog Globalization” is Islam and to a lesser extent Orthodox
    Christianity. Although he should NOT seek to make an alliance with the NATO Turkish government but with the Turkish people living in rural Anatolia. The NATO Turkish government is part and parcel of the Gog & Magog world order and would stab Hungary in the back just like it is stabbing Muslims in Syria. It matters not that they got Israel to apologize or helped in the Gaza blockade.

    Europe is too far gone to be saved as a whole save perhaps some Eastern European countries like Ukraine, Greece etc. The National Socialist Germans were perhaps the only
    Western People to try to liberate themselves from the unholy usurious Judeo-Christian alliance which eventually turned Christendom into the Godless (Gog & Magog) West and look what the rest of their European cousins did to them!

    Gabor Vona knows this (not to mention that Western Europe stabbed Hungary in the back post WW I) & wishes to save Hungary and Europe CANNOT & WILL NOT do that as Western Europe is the heart of this Gog & Magog World order which ultimately seeks to impose upon Mankind a (messianic) rule from Jerusalem with NATO being the latest military wing of this world order. The only force(s) in the world that can stand up to this last phase of Gog & Magog’s (aka Modern Western Civilization) quest to transfer power to Israel are Islam and Orthodox Christianity.

    There will be an alliance (there are signs of this occurring slowly) between the Islamic world and the Orthodox World to fight against Israeli/Jewish/NATO oppression. Jobbik would do well to make an alliance with these two forces. It would be unique for a Catholic country to do so in this age.

  • RoyThay

    Gabor Vona says no such thing, which is unusual for the tribe-friendly Amren to report an out-and-out lie that fits into their need to draw the dumb American cattle into fighting all their wars for isreal.

    Counter-jihad scam, scam as all the other scams that have destined America to the scrapheap of history.