Detroit’s Bankruptcy Brings Up More Than Finances

Alana Semuels, Los Angeles Times, November 9, 2013

Sheilah Johnson was a building inspector for the city for 28 years, a college graduate who passed up jobs that paid more because a city job offered stability and the promise of a good pension.

But the city’s recent plunge into bankruptcy—overseen by an outside emergency manager answerable to the state government, not the citizens of Detroit—makes her wonder whether she and other African American residents of the impoverished city will be able to stop Wall Street creditors from seizing what’s left of a municipal treasury they paid into for most of their lives.

“When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?” Johnson said, breaking into tears during court hearings over the city’s bid to launch the nation’s largest-ever municipal bankruptcy. “We do not need a slave owner, and I am not a slave.”

Much of the trial to determine whether this onetime powerhouse of the American economy is eligible for bankruptcy has focused on such nuts-and-bolts issues as debt structuring and pension liabilities. But the issue of race has hovered persistently around the trial, which wrapped up Friday. The move to secure and sell off remaining assets—including art museum treasures and valuable real estate—was portrayed by many African American residents who showed up in court to try to halt the bankruptcy as neocolonial plundering.

They said possible cuts to public pensions would disproportionately target black workers who were left with nothing but government jobs after industry fled, along with most white residents, to the suburbs. {snip}

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In Detroit, which last week elected its first white mayor in four decades, it is nearly impossible to escape discussion of race. The city’s population is 82% African American, in a state that is 79% white.

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“You can drive around now and not see a white person all day long,” said the Rev. Charles Williams II, who watched much of the trial and was one of nearly 1,000 protesters outside the court last month.

Demonstrators argued that the bankruptcy should be halted and Detroit residents left to determine a way to rescue themselves from debts that now total an estimated $18 billion.

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Many in Detroit would strongly disagree with the race narrative. After all, statistics alone highlight just how much Detroit needs help, from wherever it comes: The city, whose population has declined 63% since its postwar peak, has the highest violent crime rate of any big city; 40% of its street lights don’t function.

Without state intervention and bankruptcy, say those advocating the process, Detroit would not have been able to reorganize its finances or continue to function.

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  • Alexandra1973

    Sorry, Granny, but when you rely on Uncle Sam for everything, it makes you a kind of slave.

    • Bobbala

      So who is being served and who is in involuntary servitude?
      The conditioning is strong even among AmRen. Blacks have never been anti-slavery at any time, any place. They just prefer being the master. They eventually establish it wherever they go, including the modern US.
      Everybody bitches about slavery victimhood. Only white Christians actually oppose slavery for all peoples.

      • Brian

        Yes, look at what the freed slaves who left for Liberia did as soon as they got back to Da Muddalann.

    • HamletsGhost

      Actually, it make them pets more than anything. The white people who work and pay taxes and get nothing but scorn and abuse, THOSE are the slaves.

      • Bobbala

        Pets are chosen and wanted.

        • Alexandra1973

          But according to PETA pets are basically slaves.

          Silly liberals….

    • bilderbuster

      No because slaves had to work.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Ah, Alexandra, you did it. I was waiting to see if someone would post this answer, and you didn’t let me down. Thanks.

    • saxonsun

      Hey, my slaves have to be workers. Today’s blacks won’t cut it.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    “When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?”

    You reply, ‘no, of course not, don’t be so stupid.’

    Unless you really are that stupid that you believe that not being handed endless amounts of other peoples money equals ‘slavery’. Perhaps you really are that stupid?

    • Rhialto

      My response: That will depend on who will take over. If the Feminists take over, you will be royalty. If the Muslims are in control and you’re lucky, you will be made a slave. If any other group gains control, better not think about that possibility.

      • JDInSanD

        The muslims will also castrate him.

      • It’s not as if there aren’t already lots of Muslims in Detroit.

    • shawnmer

      My answer is different.

      She says, “Of course not, baby! Whites are YOUR slaves! They will pay for your food and housing the rest of your life, and all you have to do is vote!”

    • bilderbuster

      Even the child thinks he used to be a slave.

  • Puggg

    Sheilah Johnson was a building inspector for the city for 28 years, a
    college graduate who passed up jobs that paid more because a city job
    offered stability and the promise of a good pension.

    Because the city job was basically a lifetime giveaway that required little work and was pretty much guaranteed to be there always.

    “When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?”

    Grandma should answer: Ask your father, when next you see him on visiting day.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      You missed the big one.

      makes her wonder whether she and other African American residents of the
      impoverished city will be able to stop Wall Street creditors from
      seizing what’s left of a municipal treasury they paid into for most of
      their lives.

      No, miss African American, you did not pay into the municipal treasury for most of your life. You were a government worker, meaning you were paid OUT of the municipal treasury.
      Just like most other african americans, which is the reason Detroit is where it is at.

      If you had indeed paid into the municipal treasury, instead of being paid out of it, then there would not have been a lack of resources in it, which is why Detroit is now bankrupt.

      But that little fact, that taxes paid by government workers aren’t a income to the government, seems hard to grasp.

  • WmarkW

    Electing a white mayor is a last-ditch effort to return the city to a level of functionality it hasn’t seen since its last white mayor.

  • dd121

    It’s all part of the leftist-dem narrative to convince their various constituencies that they are all victims of white Republicans. That they might be re-enslaved sounds plausible to the gullible groids.

  • Jefferson

    “You can drive around now and not see a white person all day long,” said
    the Rev. Charles Williams II, who watched much of the trial and was one
    of nearly 1,000 protesters outside the court last month.”

    A White person walking in the streets Detroit sticks out like a Black person walking in the streets of Shanghai.

    • APaige

      The black in Shanghai is a visitor.
      The white in Detroit is a victim.

  • makes her wonder whether she and other African American residents of the
    impoverished city will be able to stop Wall Street creditors from
    seizing what’s left of a municipal treasury

    Actually the creditors are the people who currently hold Detroit muni bonds. The WS firms were/are runners for the issuances of those bonds. They have a responsibility to the people and institutions to whom they sold the bonds.

    • shawnmer

      Exactly. Revealed a bit of financial ignorance on the part of the reporter.

      The holders of those munis are pension funds and blue haired old ladies, by and large, not eeeevil Wall Street white guys in $2k suits. Though that’s clearly the imagery that was intended to invoke.

      Funny how the bond buyers – I.e., the people who provided the capital for them to spend themselves into oblivion in the first place – are rapacious now, but get no goodwill for having loaned them the money!

      • “Evil WS guys in $2,000 suits”

        $2,000 suits for WS guys? Really, you expect them to wear rags?

      • rowingfool

        “the one who originally loaned them the money” Right!

        The Harvard educated writer Semuels and Sheilah astonishingly believe that “What’s left of a municipal treasury” is Detroit’s money.

  • Jesse James

    “No little Shaewan don’t you fear none it is the white people that is the slaves now. Lord Obama makes sure that de gubmint takes they money and gibs it to us.”

  • APaige

    Detroit is soooo bad that even slavery could not rebuild it.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Slavery can’t really build anything.
      Slavery has again and again proven itself to be inferior to simple paid labour. The only reason for slavery is if you have a lack of labour and somehow think slavery is preferable to immigration (despite US history showing that importing slaves is a kind of immigration).

      And please don’t say “slavery built the pyramids” because it didn’t. The pyramids were built by seasonal workers in a system that had more do with taxation than slavery.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    Affirmative Action dictates by the first black mayor, “King” Coleman Young, found blacks displacing and replacing whites in every area of city employment from management on down. After all, “We in charge now!” was the black rallying cry back then.

    Their unions received every request for more money and benefits from the city, and the latter merely increased taxes on the auto companies and small businesses still doing business there. Finally, it just got too expensive to have a business in Detroit so they left. Rampant black crime also gave them a push.

    For years the Republicans in the state government warned this would happen along with editorials in The Detroit News, the one relatively conservative newspaper. The Democrats and blacks demonized both of those naysayers, ignoring the inevitable while calling them “racists.”

    Now Detroit’s remaining blacks fantasize about slavery being a reality. Somebody important should tell them that, a. slavery ended over a hundred years ago, and b. they were told this would happen so there are the inevitable consequences.

    Then again, PMS, “poor me syndrome”, has paid dividends to special, select groups from the public coffers in the past so maybe the black lady was going down that now very worn path again.

    All in all, you just can’t fix stupid.

    • Proactive, you’re a shrink. Tell me if you read anything curious into this mentality this paranoid fetish blacks have toward slavery. Are they communicating subconscious messages about themselves, or are they projecting fears about their future status, or something else?

      • Marlin B. Newburn

        No. Black social dysfunction is pretty simple. Most blacks, due to (now) generations of policies excusing them from life consequences and displacing personal responsibility, have been thoroughly infantalized, as people in my profession call those stuck in emotional adolescence.

        Because of this, most blacks have long since developed an entitlement mentality, just like adolescents, where they can receive unearned income and other race-specific government-mandated handouts if they stay rooted in the past and if they stay resentful. That they didn’t remotely suffer from slavery doesn’t matter.

        Whatever the behavior or lifestyle, bad or good, that is financed, defended, and where personal responsibility is displaced, it grows.

        Black overseers in government and in the black grievance industry help with the destruction by cultivating resentment of whites which is primary to keeping anyone emotionally immature. It also keeps them bound together for the former’s use when needed at election time. Blacks rarely think independently.

        Most blacks also know there are willfully ignorant liberal whites and a loyal liberal black leadership that will demand and get them the aforementioned handouts, and those, without qualification. Look at the 96% black vote for the human mayoral train wreck, Blasio, (sp?) in New York. That useful idiot will open the tax coffers and keep them open for handouts on demand.

        Of course, all of the above keeps blacks poor, handout-dependent, emotionally immature, and under fire from young blacks as the cities they live in are destroyed by crime, uncontrolled spending, and corruption.

        The drive for immediate gratification and blanket narcissism is just too powerful to overcome for most blacks, and these adolescent traits keep them from realizing how destructive it is to them. The slavery excuse is just the engine that keeps them heading for the cliff.

        Hope this helps.

        • TeutonicKnight67

          I’ve heard this condition described as “arrested development”. Bantus never mature past the petulant adolescent rebellion phase.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            Preventing or blocking consequences of any choice or behavior “infantalizes” people. You’re correct in your assessment with one small detail to change; many, if not most, blacks are still in the preadolescent stage where narcissism dominates and impulse control is barely a learned trait.

            Blacks have been exempt from behavior consequences by our intellectual elite in public universities, and the leftists in government. An excuse is one theory around the corner. Getting government handouts to pay for the consequences also reinforces the pathology.

  • Nathanwartooth

    “When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?”

    File this under things that never happened.

    • HamletsGhost

      Agreed. Just like the mythical “talk” that black parents supposedly have with their kids.

    • dmxinc

      Best answer.

      The education level is so low in our country, especially in the black community. There is no way a 9 year old kid is going to understand enough to formulate that question.

      That “question” was made up for the article. More propaganda.

  • Magician

    No little boy. There is no white person left in your area and the slavery cannot happen if there are no whites living in your area

    • Sick of it

      The black gangs in Detroit are the modern slavemasters, as the locals well know.

      • bilderbuster

        And this time other Blacks didn’t sell them into slavery.
        They did it to themselves.

  • OhWow

    Black people have a strange fetish for slavery. They bring it up so much, it’s almost like it turns them on deep down. 150 years ago, yet they never knew anyone who was a slave. Their mother wasn’t a slave. Their grandmother wasn’t a slave. Even their great grandmother wasn’t a slave. But still, they are fascinated with the idea.

    No one can ever do as great a job of holding blacks back as black people.

    • libertarian1234

      “Their grandmother wasn’t a slave. Even their great grandmother wasn’t a slave. But still, they are fascinated with the idea. ”

      Since they can’t learn at a normal level nor compete in a first world society, slavery has become the excuse they use for all their failures.

      Without it they would have to admit they can’t cut it.

      As you rightly point out, “No one can ever do as great a job of holding blacks back as black people.”

      • Brian

        I have an example of this. I mentioned it before in another thread, so those of you who’ve read this bear with me. Recently on a late Friday night I was coming home and stopped for gas. My foot hit something and I heard a clatter. Looking around, I saw on the ground, right next to the gas pump, a paper plate loaded with chicken wing bones, and on top of that mess, laying on its side, had been placed an empty bottle of Colt .45…which I didn’t know was there and kicked. It rolled right under the rear tire of the car on the other side of the pump and got wedged.

        I disposed of the trash in the can 20 feet away. The dumper of this trash had been consuming wings and beer in the car, and got out for gas, and couldn’t be bothered to walk 20 feet to dispose of it, so just set it down without a care in the world. And if I hadn’t gotten rid of it, the other customer could have backed over it and busted his tire, in a sketchy part of town at night…possibly getting jacked, but at least having to deal with the time, trouble and expense of a new tire. Think of the stupidity, laziness and lack of conscientiousness displayed here, and multiply it by a billion…

        …and you get Detroit, or Port-au-Prince, or Harare. Civilization dies the death of a thousand cuts.

        • gemjunior

          Very very typical. How often have you seen a bunch of young black people chaining themselves to trees like our young n’ stupid white libs? Many of those same white libs will end up becoming conservative one day when they have children, but as the kids grow some parents become less liberal and why is that? Why would loving, caring, parenting turn people towards evil conservatism? Maybe because it teaches responsibility and personal accountability?

    • Yale2001

      Well said, OhWow.

    • Jack Burton

      Yes, but you see, that did not originate with them. Who taught them?? The effeminate Yankees up north. They were the first ones to turn black victimology into propaganda literature such as Uncle Tom’s Cabin and use it in a war against the South. White Yankees started it and then Jews turned it into a racket.

  • libertarian1234

    “My 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ “

    “Oh, no, Jermaine, after a hundred and fifty years of seeing how we act on our own, they wouldn’t want us anywhere but in the home continent.”

    • bilderbuster

      “Dey woulda done hired White folks ta pick da cotton iffn dey da known.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    First off, I want to just say that this black grandmother is just another black racist. Who thinks the world owes her every and anything her disgusting little heart desires, simply because she has black skin. In other words she’s out for the “Gibs Me Dat”.

    An 82% black city that borrows it’s way into massive debt now claims for those whom they borrowed from to expect to be repaid is racist. Is anyone really surprised by such claims? NO! Of course not. As we all know, most blacks are extremely racist and they all use race as a weapon. If these same creditors who are said to now be ‘racist” for daring to want to be repaid would have denied black Detroit these loans in the first place. They would have been called, and made out by the willing accomplices in the media to be racist back then as well. Making BS claims about racism is black America’s favorite past time.

  • Sick of it

    Maybe they should have stopped committing so many heinous acts of violence if they wanted their community to thrive.

  • Spartacus

    “When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Tell him freedom is a White concept that he will never be able to grasp.

  • cablegirls

    ‘What’s left of a municipal treasury’ is borrowed money. There’s nothing left.

  • MBlanc46

    “Demonstrators argued that the bankruptcy should be halted and Detroit
    residents left to determine a way to rescue themselves from debts that
    now total an estimated $18 billion.”

    Right. Because that’s worked so well for the last forty years.

    • Non Humans

      Nonhumans cant even manage their more than generous welfare handouts. Are they really ignorant and narcissistic enough to think that they can conquer an $18 Billion mountain given their multiple (and dominant) ineptitudes and deficincies?!
      .
      Maybe what they mean is that theyll sit on the debt until O’Traitor bails them out through Executive order.

    • Reverend Bacon

      The Art museum, Belle Isle, and the Antique car museum would probably fetch a total greater than the $18 billion. Pension liabilities are liabilities, and they should have been funded all along. If you don’t fund pensions in the private sector, you get in big trouble- possibly jail if it’s egregious enough. So sell the assets, pay the debts, and go under. Gramma can have whatever she’s “earned” in the past, but stop the bleeding. America has no need for Detroit. Nor for Gramma, for that matter.

      • MBlanc46

        I’m pretty sure that your proposal wouldn’t stop the bleeding. It would only allow it to go on for another forty years.

      • evilsandmich

        The Art museum, Belle Isle, and the Antique car museum would probably fetch a total greater than the $18 billion

        Perhaps over time; but a ‘fire sale’ has a tendency to depress prices on assets.

  • Dave4088

    The usual media pap depicting Detroit and its overwhelming black inhabitants as hapless victims of circumstances beyond their control and at the mercy of a lily white Wall Street run amok. Nana Johnson says she turned down better paying jobs, but being a black employee of a black city government is one cushy job and she probably knew that a private sector firm would actually expect her to earn her pay which, of course, is racist.

    • Jackryanvb

      Yeah, but the real fools are Libertarians thinking they’ll someday convince large % of Blacks to give up voting for steady government jobs, AA preferences to embrace….

      FREE MARKETS

      If you believe that will ever happen I’ve got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you.

      🙂

  • ‘”When my 9-year-old grandson asks me, ‘Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?”’

    ——————————————————-

    You answer him by saying that slaves did not have to worry about where their next meal was coming from or whether they would be provided for in their old age. So no, Dintaquinine, nobody has any plans to make you a slave.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Since she made up this “poignant” question, I’d suggest she just shut it and move on.

    • gemjunior

      ROFL, Dintaquinine. That is perfect, and original. It’s not easy making up names from random syllables…..

      • Jim Goad of TakiMag, from which site I am banned, suggested the following name for a female … Lactatia. 🙂

        • gemjunior

          There was a black girl in a local public school (My parents sent us to parochial school even though our local P.S. was almost all white anyway) whose mother agitated and got her bussed in. It was the ’70s so I’m sure it was easy in most of the 5 boroughs. HER name used to send us into fits — La Leatrice (as in rhymes with Beatrice?) And this girl looked halfway normal – she done had dressed white and was most likely an Uncle Tom tryin’ to “act white”.
          As for “Lactatia” – that really made me laugh because my father used to tell a joke (he had a lot) of a black woman who was in da hospital after giving berf to twins – she ambled into the hospital library and walked around fo’ a spell, den came out da do’ of dat lie berry. Then her doctor asked her what she intended to call the twins. She said, I got some ideas outta dat lie berry, and I goin’ ta call bof doze gals Syph’isles and GoNoria. If dey wuz triplits den Lactatia would be perfeck.

          • For a male, how about … Scrotumquat. (Emphasis on the second syllable.)

  • Eddie Lutz

    They are slaves to their own brutism, laziness, and underachievement. Whites are the only race that prevents blacks from a return to literal slavery. We’re the only race that feels sorry for them.

  • Brian

    The move to secure and sell off remaining assets—including art museum
    treasures and valuable real estate—was portrayed by many African
    American residents who showed up in court to try to halt the bankruptcy
    as neocolonial plundering.
    ===
    They think they made that real estate valuable, and built the art museums? Unreal.

  • ViktorNN

    They’re losing a city that they didn’t build, that they trashed, and that they pawned away years ago. There’s no “racial narrative” here other than black corruption and incompetence.

  • Juan Outtamany

    No amount of beating could get them to work again. They are a ruined race

    • Spartacus

      Gimme a whip, a pack of cigarettes, a screwdriver and 15 minutes, and I’ll make them do anything. Except learn how to read(I’m not God…)

  • Thor Bonham

    Yeah, I’m most positive the 9 year old know enough of what is going on in the city to be concerned that blacks will be turned into slaves once again .. WOW !!
    She should have said to the 9 year old “son , we are slaves , we never left the liberal plantation” now go get my snap card so weez can go gets some hots from the corner bodega . SMH

  • Spartacus

    In utero .

  • Alucard_the_last

    Who would want a black slave? They have no work ethic. Deportation to Africa is a much better deal.

  • Yale2001

    Kid probably never made that statement. Blacks love to say kids said such BS, because it stirs up such emotion from our left. No kid your not the slaves, us hard working tax payers are. Slaves work very hard. Are you working hard? Guess what granny. About every ethnicity had slaves and no one went through more than the Jewish. Ever hear of these other groups complaining?

    • Jack Burton

      The kid is just repeating what some stupid negro said. You see the mentality of a negro child and adult are virtually the same, minus puberty which just turns them into savage beasts but still with the mind of children. Negroes are an evolutionary dead end, that’s why their desire to miscegenate is so strong, it’s their only way to evolve.

      They shouldn’t flatter themselves, even as slaves they barely worked. The slave master just broke even with cost of food and shelter versus the value of their labor. That’s why we had to import so many. Takes 10+ blacks to do the labor of one White.

      In whatever measure you use negroes are a net loss.

    • gemjunior

      Well Jews never complain about hard work. They have an admirable work ethic, but they frequently bring up the holocaust – no group on earth has ever had such continuous revival of a topic on screen anyway. There’ve been hundreds of holocaust movies: fact, fiction you name it. Never has there been even one movie about the deaths of primarily gentiles : Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Irish famine, Chinese murdered by Chairman Mao, Cambodian killing fields (ok one small movie by a native) and there have been several movies about Rwanda’s butchery, and of course the succession of “re-interpreting” black and white social interactions, “The Help, Django”, and now a new white hatefest in 12 Years a Slave. See, it depends on Hollywood’s opinion what tragedies are worth depicting, and the holocaust is one that will be continuously brought up in order to make it seem more important than other tragedies. Or in the case of blacks, to cause hate for whites and ethnic tension. Also remember, the slave trades in Europe and the middle passage were financed by Jews.

  • StillModerated

    … what’s left of a municipal treasury they paid into for most of their lives.

    You must be mistaken, Alana. for 28 years she has been making withdrawals from the municipal treasury. I’d imagine that a Detroit City building inspector has been overseeing more razes than new construction

  • Ella

    “Grandma, are they trying to make us slaves again?’ how do I answer that child?” Johnson said. Well, Johnson you can start by saying, “The banks always win.” Don’t you love the emotional spiel of this article, Black slavery and debts? Welcome to the real world of financing and debts; it’s not about race but money!

  • Sloppo

    “Sheilah Johnson was a building inspector for the city for 28 years, a college graduate who passed up jobs that paid more because a city job offered stability and the promise of a good pension.”

    It’s hard for me to respect a “building inspector” in a city where almost nothing has been built for the last couple of decades. Her people ran the productive people out of the world’s most prosperous industrial city, and now we’re supposed to feel sorry for them because they have a shortage of golden geese to kill. This story should have been presented as comedy.

    • gemjunior

      Yes, that was pretty funny LMAO – building inspector my eye…. She hasn’t entered a building in 20 years or in her whole career because they all say “CONDEMNED: Do Not Enter! and in typical negro excellence forging forward to find out the problem and fix it – she said “Hell naw ah ain’t goin’ in dere, Ah got keeids and ain’t nobody gon’ tell me to go in no building gon’ fall right awn mah haid and den what? – anybody want diss here building inspected gon’ be waiting a long long time fo’ Sheilah to go in an git herseff keeilt. Uh uh., and I ain’t repotin’ it to mah supervisor cause he git mad when I call and he jump up wake right da hell up from dat noisy phone. Mmm Mmm Mmm Hell no, yawl got da wrong fool here….

  • CelestiaQuesta

    Talking about AA and entitlements, Mrs. Jackson must have been inspecting empty slums brought on by her welfare breeding kind.
    Momma….what does a white person look like?….Honey da be lokin lik crackers in da box.

  • NorthernWind

    Whites are slaves that have to manage the plantation as well…

  • gemjunior

    Good question. I think because of the same American exceptionalism that has us thinking we don’t need to speak other languages (after all, they come to us all the time so let them learn OUR tongue – can’t deny it’s kind of true) and since we once ruled the world we always will, and tyranny can’t happen here and a whole bunch of other things I can’t think of. I am finding out day by day on this internet how much I am COMPLETELY IGNORANT about! It’s amazing. And when I bring up a topic such as “Did you ever hear about the horrible black on white crime that took place in Knoxville, the book “White Girl Bleed A Lot”, the Knock Out Game, The Assault Mob of TEENagers :O — etc.?” and they say “Nawww, whaddaya mean now, you’re just noticing the attackers colors in those few isolated cases because you’re raycisssss…….”