Afghanistan ‘Plans to Reintroduce Public Stoning as Punishment for Adultery’

Rob Crilly, Telegraph (London), November 25, 2013

Afghanistan is planning to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery 12 years after the Taliban was ousted from power, according to a new draft penal code.

The move has shocked human rights campaigners and will dismay donors who have poured billions of pounds into the country for reconstruction.

It will be viewed as another backwards step at the end of a year that has seen women’s rights undermined, with a slew of legislation and murders of prominent women.

Human Rights Watch called for international donors to withhold funding if the government goes ahead with the plan.

“It is absolutely shocking that 12 years after the fall of the Taliban government, the Karzai administration might bring back stoning as a punishment,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at HRW.

“President Karzai needs to demonstrate at least a basic commitment to human rights and reject this proposal out of hand.”

The draft—devised by a working group led by the justice ministry, parts of which have been obtained by The Telegraph—states that unmarried adulterers should be subject to 100 lashes. If they are married, the punishment is stoning in a public place.

Death by stoning was used as punishment for adultery during Taliban rule, a brutal period which included bans on radio, television and music and ended in 2001 when Nato forces seized Kabul.

Since then, human rights–and women’s rights in particular–have frequently been cited as a measure of progress under the government of President Hamid Karzai.

His government signed up to international human rights conventions and the current penal code does not allow stoning as a punishment.

Critics have warned that progress is fragile and is being undermined in an attempt to placate conservative power brokers and maybe even pave the way for a deal with the Taliban as Nato forces leave the country during the next year.

In May, the country’s lower chamber revised the country’s electoral law, ditching the guarantee that at least a quarter of seats in each of 34 provincial councils be reserved for women.

There will be no female candidate in April’s presidential election.

And parliament has never ratified a long-awaited law setting penalties for rape, child marriage and “baad”–the local term used for the giving of girls to resolve disputes.

Meanwhile, America is still trying to seal a deal with Mr Karzai to allow as many as 15,000 troops to remain in the country beyond the end of combat operations next year.

On Sunday, Mr Karzai dismissed demands from the loya jirga–a specially convened grand assembly of 2,500 Afghan chieftains, tribal elders and politicians–to sign a security agreement by the end of the year. He has said repeatedly that it should not be finalised until after next year’s elections.

The White House said Susan Rice, Barack Obama’s national security adviser, had been invited to meet the Afghan president during a scheduled visit to meet American troops in Afghanistan for the Thanksgiving holiday.

Mr Karzai has been openly hostile to his US allies and used the loya jirga assembly to urge an end to American raids on Afghan homes.

She is expected to use the opportunity to pressure Mr Karzai to accept the elders’ recommendation and sign by the end of the year–a move Washington says is essential to allowing American and Nato forces time to plan their next phase of operations.

“Afghanistan continues to be one of the United States’ top national security priorities, and this trip is an opportunity for Ambassador Rice to take stock of our efforts and meet with American troops,” said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

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  • dd121

    Maybe the taliban isn’t as far as the media claim.

    • Puggg

      Maybe Talibannish things that we’re all supposed to hate the Taliban for aren’t just confined to Taliban type outfits. Maybe it’s an endemic feature of Islamic cultures and societies.

      We spent all this time, money and blood “freeing” them, and it’s right back to square one.

      • dd121

        I can’t argue with what you say. I think the main reason we went over there was to eliminate the training bases. Looks like that will be temporary too.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Well who among us hasn’t been stoned? I myself don’t have a problem with it, its their country. We have abortion in this country so whats the difference? Lots of American politicians should have been aborted or stoned.

  • Spartacus

    Great. Yet another reason for these vermin to come to Europe as “refugees”…

  • Fredrik_H

    Young men from the USA and Europe have died for their right to democratically elect their leaders…I mean stone their adulters…

  • Anglo

    Primitive and fanatical Islamic countries such as Afghanistan cannot be made into democratic, free societies. period.

  • bigone4u

    The West is collectively insane if it thinks that these cultures can be remade into the image of the TV-loving, McDonald’s eating, sexual promiscuous West. Globalism is a failure. Economically and culturally. People want to keep their traditions. I sure as hell wish that the white traditions of the former USA were still in place.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Yes, that’s what some people don’t get. What seems normal to us is considered insane to other people in other countries.And was also considered insane by us 100 years ago.

    • Jefferson

      Stoning people to death for adultery is NOT a White Western tradition. Never has been, never will be.

      • Sick of it

        Accepting adultery was also not a white American tradition. We used to shame people, even run them out of town. That’s where the population of California came from.

        • IstvanIN

          Never quite thought of it that way. California was the land of the misfits. Of course that was better than the land of the Mexicans.

          • Sick of it

            I agree wholeheartedly. Traditional Californians could have changed over time into great people (some in fact did before the Hippies). The invading horde apparently will not.

      • Whitetrashgang

        You never know.

    • Jesse James

      If you haven’t been part of our Great Crusade in the Middle East or any of our earlier and similar efforts watch two documentaries about the US war in Afghanistan: “Restrepo” and “Camp Victory, Afghanistan”. The first is an up close and personal look at a US Infantry squad sized outpost at the very edge of our area of operations – note I don’t say control. “Camp Victory” will show you exactly why after ten years we don’t have a trained Afghan National Army or police force to hand responsibility off to when we leave and why the whole house of cards will fall just as soon as we leave.

  • Jesse James

    Why is it our business what the people of Afghanistan think is appropriate justice or behavior? I want the globalist and progressive micro-managers out of my life and out of my country. I wish the Middle Easterners in the United States would go back to their countries of origin. In some ways I despise the Godless globalist worship of materialism and empty progress as much as I imagine some of these tribal people do and for many of the same reasons. I don’t think it is either possible or desirable to turn Kabul into Des Moines, Iowa. I am sick of seeing young Americans killed and maimed in the pointless attempt to turn the Middle East into the American Mid-West. The only real result that I see from our great Crusade is like the two World Wars we have greatly enriched a tiny minority of businessmen and politicians. Enough of this invade the world, invite the world insanity. General Smedley Butler was correct, War is a Racket.

  • IstvanIN

    I am 100% against stoning in the US. It is barbaric, immoral and uncivilized. But I have no right to tell Afghans how to live and this isn’t my issue.

  • Carney3

    This image shows how futile it is to try to foster a “nation” of Afghanistan or Pakistan. The only way you can get different ethnicities and languages together like that is religion. With Islam being the source of national identity, then piety equals patriotism and it’s impossible to resist extremist Islamic ideology, and thus you become a barbaric society that harbors terrorism.

    In the immediate wake of 9/11 Rumsfeld threatened to bomb Pakistan back into the Stone Age. We should have done so, smashing or seizing their nukes, then toppling their ramshackle regime as well as that of Afghanistan. Afterward split up both states, creating independent nation-states out of the Baloch, Tajik, Uzbek, and especially the Pushtun areas. Suddenly the Pushtun are no longer split by an AfPak border, and have real boundaries on all sides, patrolled by ethnic rivals rather than fellow Pushtuns willing to wave them over (at least for a fee). Bandits and terrorists can’t skip across the AfPak border to evade distant central authorities, and can’t easily leave Pushtun territory either. With the most basic requirement of law and order being met, and a regime populated solely by one’s ethno-linguistic brothers, the factors that turn every election into a festival of cheating, turn every administration into a frantic looting of the treasure before the rivals win the next “election”, and create a fertile recruiting ground for Islamist terrorist groups will be absent. With all the scoffing about nation-building, it succeeded in Germany and Japan because those were ethno-states with law and order. A dozen years into Afghanistan – we should have been able to shoot any radical cleric, control the schools, mosques, and media sufficiently to raise a new generation not receptive to this madness.

  • M.

    “an argument can be made that the behavior of white western women will
    bring about the downfall of our civilization and the end of the white
    race.”

    How so?
    The biggest mistake the Western civilization has committed, and is still committing, is having liberal immigration policies. But most of the liberal politicians have been men, not women.

    • saxonsun

      Has to be men; they have the power.

  • Greg Thomas

    Third world muslims are only capable of taking “backwards steps.” No amount of bribe ( I mean aid) money will change that

  • Alexandra1973

    As long as they do it in their own borders, to their own people, it only merits a shrug, the way I see it.

  • saxonsun

    Your “argument” leads down the filthy path of stoning Western women. But I think many of you men harbor true hatred for women, especially for the ones who you haven’t managed to chain to the stove. Scary.

  • saxonsun

    “Sharing authority in marriage?!!!” Are you an actual person? Poor little boy; (probably in more ways than one) he cannot deal with the fact that women are people too.

  • M.

    While all of these things affect negatively society, I still think allowing millions of racial aliens into Whites is far more of threat to civilization, and it is what’s gonna bring it to its knees.
    Society and economics are reversible. If this doesn’t work, a certain people can revert back to more traditional ways. Or not. It’s still the same people.
    But good luck kicking millions of foreigners out of your land. Cultural and racial aliens will bastardize a nation more than promiscuity ever will.
    And unfortunately, men are doing of the job. Most cultural marxists have been males.
    Many dudes today seem to be cool with multiracialism and race-mixing for example. Far-leftist male “intellectuals” even encourage this. And it seems like they’re doing this on their own initiative. In instances like these, I can’t see how women can be faulted.

  • IstvanIN

    We have evolved. We don’t burn witches now, do we?

  • Kronolog

    I thought they were already pretty liberal when it comes to pederasty?

  • John K

    It seems that the reasons thousands of American soldiers lost their lives is so that politicians can line their pockets with more money and to further Islam (the enemy). The American government is guilty of treason.

  • Curiously, they will stone women – and only women – to death, usually for being raped, while still expecting liberal and socialist governments in western Europe to bankroll their country by voting to send them lots and lots of financial aid. Cluelessness in this flyblown sewer of a region continues unabated, it would seem.