Has ‘Caucasian’ Lost Its Meaning?

Shaila Dewan, New York Times, July 7, 2013

As a racial classification, the term Caucasian has many flaws, dating as it does from a time when the study of race was based on skull measurements and travel diaries. It has long been entirely unmoored from its geographical reference point, the Caucasus region. Its equivalents from that era are obsolete—nobody refers to Asians as “Mongolian” or blacks as “Negroid.”

And yet, there it was in the recent Supreme Court decision on affirmative action. The plaintiff, noted Justice Anthony M. Kennedy in his majority opinion, was Caucasian.

To me, having covered the South for many years, the term seems like one of those polite euphemisms that hides more than it reveals. There is no legal reason to use it. It rarely appears in federal statutes, and the Census Bureau has never put a checkbox by the word Caucasian. (White is an option.)

The Supreme Court, which can be more colloquial, has used the term in only 64 cases, including a pair from the 1920s that reveal its limitations. In one, the court ruled that a Japanese man could not become a citizen because, although he may have been light-skinned, he was not Caucasian. In the other, an Indian was told that he could not become a citizen because, although he may have been technically Caucasian, he was certainly not white. (A similar debate erupted more recently when the Tsarnaev brothers, believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing, were revealed to be Muslims from the Caucasus.)

The use of Caucasian to mean white was popularized in the late 18th century by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German anthropologist, who decreed that it encompassed Europeans and the inhabitants of a region reaching from the Obi River in Russia to the Ganges to the Caspian Sea, plus northern Africans. He chose it because the Caucasus was home to “the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgians,” and because among his collection of 245 human skulls, the Georgian one was his favorite wrote Nell Irvin Painter, a historian who explored the term’s origins in her book “The History of White People.”

In 1889, the editors of the original Oxford English Dictionary noted that the term Caucasian had been “practically discarded.” But they spoke too soon. Blumenbach’s authority had given the word a pseudoscientific sheen that preserved its appeal. Even now, the word gives discussions of race a weird technocratic gravitas, as when the police insist that you step out of your “vehicle” instead of your car.

“If you want to show that you’re being dispassionate then you use the more scientific term Caucasian,” Ms. Painter said.

{snip}

Doubtless, this society will continue to classify people by race for some time to come. And as we lumber toward justice, some of those classifications remain useful, even separate from other factors like economic class. Caucasian, though? Not so much.

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  • The__Bobster

    Its equivalents from that era are obsolete—nobody refers to Asians as “Mongolian” or blacks as “Negroid.”
    ____

    We don’t? I call Zulus “groids” all the time. For some reason, it sometimes gets censored here.

  • The__Bobster

    Doubtless, this society will continue to classify people by race for some time to come.
    _______

    Only a brainwashed libtard has a problem with this, but that was the point of the whole article, wasn’t it, that the concept of race shouldn’t exist?

    • MawellAxel

      I just had to quit a gym membership because they had a fambly of negroes running around the place, yelling screaming, throwing things down three story stairwells at the people in the workout room below. This is a very recent development. This gym is part of a community center, so there are other things besides the workout room that attracts lots of mothers with children, things like swim classes, summer camp, dance classes aerobics etc. I will now be going to just a plain gym, for half the money. One family of negroes was enough to totally destroy the atmosphere with noise, hysteria, confusion, intimidation. It is total BS. Over the three years I have seen white people take their kids there there has never been this kind of atmosphere. The blacks “fambly” camped out in the sitting room, the adults talking at yelling levels, the children allowed to run wild and throw things, then the mother reigning in the children only AFTER they were reprimanded and told to stop throwing things. Then there was the slapping of the children, their screaming, the adults screaming, then things settled down for a minute or two, then the whole process started over again. It is absolutely amazing how blacks operate on a completely different level than whites and they destroy civilization with just the presence of one or two.

  • Spartacus

    “Shaila Dewan”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    How about you go back to your plague-infested country and call yourself whatever you want ?

  • No Caucasians, but there sure are a lot of white Hispanics running around out there these days.

    • Joseph Bryant

      The confusing thing is some Hispanics really ARE Whites, ex. the descendants of the Castillan colonists in New Mexico, most Cubans in the United States, and Argentinians. Hispanic is such a worthless term.

      • Sick of it

        Re: Cubans and Argentines, depends on the person. That part of the world has a long history of mixed race relationships in a closed system.

        • Joseph Bryant

          Cuba yes but Argentina never had any slaves, killed off all its Amerinds, and had massive European immigration. Mestizos and blacks are extremely rare in Argentina (unless they too have been recently “blessed” with Diversity.

          They’re quite proud about that, too, and feel more kinship to Italy and Spain than to the rest of Latin America.

          • Romulus

            That is also the place where the tribe intends to set up a new “promised land” should Israel get run over by their ancestral cousins.

          • IstvanIN

            The Arab president of Argentina invited a lot of Bolivian Indians to settle there.

        • Joseph Bryant

          I wish I could post a link to prove my point but it would send me into mod hell. Just google Argentina women’s field hockey team in google images to get an idea of what I mean.

          • Sick of it

            Yep, racially mixed.

          • MawellAxel

            give it a rest

          • MawellAxel

            OMG!!! It looks like AMerica used to look !

      • itdoesnotmatter

        The term Hispanic is loved by squat monster mestizos. They think it elevates their status.

        • Joseph Bryant

          IIRC, Dick Nixon of all people was one of the first people to promote use of the term “Hispanic”.

      • Romulus

        Most of the Argentinians your referring to are German-Jewish half breeds like the president, Kirchner. See the dispossessed majority by Willmott Robertson for the census figures of Jewish migration to Argentina. Approx. 400,000 in 1980. There are three authentic German villages in southwestern Brazil. The Portuguese made them convert to their language in at least one of them. One can change your address or culture, but not your DNA. It doesn’t matter what they think they are. They are still German. Just ask Simona Wiesenthal. He spent years running down Germans in south America to crucify. During the great expansion of the British empire. Blonds and reds we’re deposited all over the globe. It DOES NOT CHANGE ONES ORIGIN. If the huge number of Americans over the last 150 yrs. Remembered where they actually come from , maybe the massive fratricide of european stock could’ve been avoided.

      • IanJMacDonald

        It’s worthless as a racial term. As an cultural-linguistic term, it more or less serves its purpose.

      • Rex

        That may be true but they don’t really behave like us, non Hispanics, and they mostly identify with the Spanish-speaking crowd,

  • Joseph Bryant

    I’d prefer it if the terms “Euro”, “Afro”, and “Oriental” were adopted over White/Black/Asian.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      According to the PC police, Oriental is offensive and the PC term in style is Asian. I know one particular Japanese-American who takes offense to Asian. You just can not win with this stuff.

      • Joseph Bryant

        It’s quite the euphamistic treadmill.

      • I call them “Orientals” here because we have readers in Europe for whom “Asian” means “subcontinental”, i.e. Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis. At home, I refer to them by individual nationality, but that would be most tiresome here in print. My wife prefers being called “Japanese”, “Mrs. Scott” or “Sayaka”.

    • Romulus

      Albeit to most western eyes ,orientals all look the same unless you know what to look for. They know the difference amongst themselves. Just as I can tell the difference between a true German, Celt, Jew, Roman. Miscegenation is not evolution, but rather combinations of mutations. If you know the average timeline that primates evolved into their respective classifications and track that with anthropological migrations, it isn’t that hard to figure out who was where and when in the course of history.

      • MawellAxel

        I have asked Chinese and Koreans this very question. They say no, they can’t really tell except when it comes to the Japanese because the Japanese wear their hair differently- all modern and punked out. So, no, they can’t tell, they take their clues from clothes and hairstyle. The Japanese though have two different phenotypes, the JOMON and the YAYOI, The Yayoi look like Koreans and Chinese, the Jomon are mixed race with much Ainu ancestry and look more European. The latest ideas on the Ainu is that they are an aboriginal people related to the aboriginies of Australia. The aboriginal people of Taiwan are said to belong to this same group of , I think they call them malay aboriginals.

        • The Jomon and Ainu were the result of convergent evolution. They’re not biologically related to whites.

  • NM156

    Soeaking of lumbering, when will the New York Times finally die or wither away into insignificance? Their death is taking too long. Old people are keeping it alive with their support of the print edition.

    • IanJMacDonald

      The New York Times has a rich sugar daddy named Carlos Slim Helú, a Mexican billionaire.

  • JohnEngelman

    Some people call me a racist because I call Orientals Oriental. Hey, I love Orientals. I am an Orientalphile.

    Let’s stop worrying about being insensitive and use words that everyone understands.

    • Joseph Bryant

      I don’t get this one either. It just means “Eastern” in Latin. No different from being called a “Westerner”, whatever the term for that is in Mandarin or Japanese.

    • MawellAxel

      I thought you loved inflatables

    • Allan477

      I generally use the term East Asian. I presume that is still acceptable.

      • Sick of it

        It makes more sense than the term South Asian, considering the racial differences between the peoples of India/Pakistan and those in Southeast Asia.

    • David Ashton

      You “love Orientals” (especially the young female variety)!
      Now who would have guessed that?

      Which oriental take-away do you prefer?
      Who do like better, Mencius or Mao?
      What is your oriental martial arts preferences?
      Which Chinese films do you like best?
      Which Chinese books have you read?
      What is your star-sign (Chinese Zodiac only)?
      What is your favorite pet, if not a Chow?
      Do you have any allergies (apart from low-IQ Gentiles)?
      What are your hobbies?
      What is your favorite color?
      When will you put your COMPLETE autobiography on this site?

      • JohnEngelman

        I prefer the works of classical Chinese philosophy. I have no use for Mao. I think the best martial art is Mixed Martial Arts. It is a laboratory for testing various martial arts techniques iofthe West and East.

        I love Orientals, especially the women.

        • David Ashton

          I was just pulling your pigtail.

      • John didn’t marry one the way I did. Our pet is a fox who thinks he’s a dog.

        On the other hand, John likes Chinese, and my wife’s opinion of them has become my own. You’re picking on him in a manner that boils my blood.

        • David Ashton

          I am now glad I live an ocean away from you and your gun collection then.

          • stewball

            Why does he hate the English?

          • David Ashton

            He says it’s because of our historic activity in Ireland. Click on his name and go through his past comments.

  • MawellAxel

    wow, academics have nothing better to do than decide what word to use to mean White European? A rose by any other name smells as sweet, and is as beautiful!

  • “As a racial classification, the term Caucasian has many flaws……..” So says the article.

    No it doesn’t. People know what it means, know who it pertains to – and what marker it is used as to determine a deviation from.

    A Japanese man is not Caucasoid, nor is an Indian, who is an admixture of other races, albeit perhaps partly European to begin with. They are no longer “us” or recognised as such by “us”. We know who we are and what generally counts and classes as being of our family.

    There are some grey areas and blurred lines at times, but that is one reason why we ought to aim to keep ourselves intact and distinct. It is only in the advent of their “social agendas”, mass non-white immigration, increase in “mixed races” that has caused any “problem” or why such a debate even needs to occur in the first place.

    To me, the whole article is borne out of this false premise in the opening statement – that there is something wrong with it. Who says? The New York Times? Given their last line “Doubtless, this society will continue to classify people by race for some time to come”…. probably shows their kinds of desires for such “barriers” and “categories” to be lost or ignored altogether, in favour of “class” or whatever else.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      I am of northern European descent. With my blue eyes, blonde hair and 6’4″ height, I don’t think I will be confused with a Sicilian at anytime in the near future.

      • I am 6′ and have grey (not blue) eyes with gold flecks in them that enlarge when I am thinking. My hair is sandy brown with a tinge of red, with a lot of red in my mustache, and even limiting my exposure to the sun, my Amerind ancestry shows quite plainly, even though of the northeastern woodlands variety. I look as white as a sheet and suddenly tan very easily. My nose, though, is very Celtic, without even a hint of my mother’s German influence. I wear a ballcap or broad-brimmed hat in the summer to keep the sun off my face -especially my nose.

        I call myself “white”, because I pass.

        • Jefferson

          So even though you have some Amerindian ancestry in your family tree, phenotype wise you do not racially look like a Squat Monster because your Amerindian admixture is heavily diluted and miniscule.

          Unlike the average Squat Monster who is genetically more Amerindian than European.

          • Different Amerinds as well. My Amerind ancestry is Cherokee and
            Tuscarora and not squat monsters. They were tall and fairly good-looking.

        • stewball

          What are you?

        • stewball

          Oh. Ok. Sorry. Not too quick on the mark. So you are what they call ‘Native American’?

      • David Ashton

        Lucky you.

    • IanJMacDonald

      One verbal trick that race deniers love is to challenge to give a specific definition of the term “race,” or demand that we provide a precises answer to the question, “so how many races are there?” I always shrug and say ‘I don’t know. I also don’t know how many different breeds of dog there are. How many colors are there in the rainbow? Three? Five? 122?”

      The term “race” is a shorthand everyday term trying to describe genetic distance between different populations. It’s like using the term “neighborhood.” It’s not scientific, it’s not at all precise, and yet if I tell you about the where I grew up and state that Martin Luther King Blvd ran through my neighborhood, I have conveyed non-trivial information about my neighborhood. If on the other hand I tell you that River Oaks Blvd ran through my neighborhood, I have also provided salient information about where I grew up.

      If I discuss racial issues with fence-sitters, and they want to challenge me on the definition of “race,” I give them the word. “You know, you might very well be right that ‘race’ is not really the best word to capture whatever it is we want to describe about the various branches of the human family.” The PC indoctrination is so intense in America that we have to find ways of getting our message past their ideological filters.

      • Bo_Sears

        The multiracial discourse is filled with tricky questions or challenges to throw us off the track, and it might be good to post a list of things we used to call “red herrings” that we turn our attention to and get distracted. The first thing we need to remember is that our adversaries learn their tricky phrases and questions in their conferences, etc. Jesse Jackson once laid out this strategy of formulating & teaching words & phrases that cut off or disrupt further discussion. We need to do that because we tend to be methodical and logical — two properties not at all suited to multiracial discourse.

        At Resisting Defamation, we stay away from defining the diverse white American peoples or defining “race” except to say we are diverse and Americans, and if pressed, we say we know who we are because we are the ones who are attacked over and over by the anti-white narrative in media and entertainment. It’s silly, but it gets away from being trapped in one of the various trick bags set out there for us.

        Other trick bags conflate who we are with Republicans, Libertarians, or Conservatives which is just silly.

        ResistingDefamation dot com

  • bigone4u

    This “story” (essay, op-ed, propaganda?) appeared in the NYT. What a waste of trees.

    • stewball

      Oh somebody else who thinks like me regarding the waste of trees. It drives me mad how much paper is wasted.

  • IstvanIN

    nobody refers to Asians as “Mongolian”

    What a nit wit. Of course no one does, because all Asians are not Mongolians. Some are Chinese or Korean or Japanese. All East Asians, or Orientals as we used to say, are Mongoloids, including Mongolians, but not all Asians are Mongolians. Do blacks understand anything. This is just as stupid as referring to Mario Balotelli as Italian.

  • The New York Times will probably suggest in the near future that we be called YT, cracka. or the race of the melanin deprived.

  • bigone4u

    Neanderthal? Euros have Neanderthal genes and Neans have a reputation for toughness. I wouldn’t mind describing myself as a Neanderthal.

  • HJ11

    Race is to human as breed is to dog as variety is to rose.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      Exactly and I have been saying that for years.

  • exLibtard

    It hasn’t lost its meaning. Caucasoid is a major racial group composed of related subraces (European, North African, etc.). Instead of using the word “Caucasian” to refer to Whites, use the word European or European-American. Why are these taxonomic issues so challenging for some people?

    • Bo_Sears

      It’s secretly good for us to argue about who is us. It will help because America is in the process of morphing from a pluralistic nation (early 1900’s) to a multicultural nation (1960’s & 1970’s) to a multiracial nation (1990’s & 2000’s). In that kind of nation, this question will have extreme importance because the next step will be its transformation into a multinational territory (perhaps 2020’s). Who are you will jail you, dictate your vote, or forge alliances to survive. Get clarity now.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    “..nobody refers to Asians as ‘Mongolian'”

    These people in the media are so ignorant on matters of race it amazes me. I remember when this Swiss footballer (Michel Morganella) got kicked out of the London olympics for calling south korean players “mongoloid.” Reporters were apparently ‘outraged’ because they thought he was trying to call them retarded.

    • Sick of it

      Anthropologists still use the terms Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. Same with non-anthropologists in forensics.

    • stewball

      Down Syndrome is much nicer than calling them mongols as was done in the past.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    I think some tinkering with the terms could be OK in certain circumstances, but in this society that denies the very idea of Whiteness and labels it a “social construct designed to oppress non-Whites”, I would say that ONLY Whites should be allowed to discuss or decide what we are to be called. This is a courtesy extended to every other racial group, and we should demand it for ourselves.
    .
    That said, the tone of this article, its source, and the identity of its author tells me that this is yet another pseudo-academic attempt to deny Whiteness and define us out of existence.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    What we mean when we say “white” I believe, is Northern European (Britain, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Eastern Europeans etc). That’s what ‘nordic’ means. It was coined by a French anthropologist who used the term “nordique” (meaning ‘northern’). But, ever since Hitler and all that nonsense, people think “nordic” only means blue-eyed blondes.

  • Bo_Sears

    If you look at the various topics she has written about, you will note that she has little experience writing about the diverse white Americans. At Resisting Defamation, we do not see her NYT article as an explicit attack on our identity, although the reason she can have a say is that she is literally a Caucasian — the place in India from where her family derives is well within Caucasian or Indo-European territory. If you want a laugh, India has three ethnic classifications (Aryan, Dravidian & Tribal). There are other classifications within India, but she is definitely an Aryan. Seriously.

    However, she is certainly wise enough to know that label won’t go over here, although in India she could very well be one of the high & mighty.

    We suspect that she is afraid of falling into the category of “white” [as happened to the Egyptians & other north African origin peoples] and losing her privileges as an oppressed person here, although her relatives have done plenty of real oppression in India itself. Indo-Americans are caught between two American classification worlds: Asian origin and Indo-European origin.

    But for someone of her age, her progress in our society probably depends on holding out a victim identity. So she is tempted to claim Asian American classification with all the radical fun that is on campuses and elsewhere, but Asian Americans won’t want her because they draw the line of real Asians at the east & south side of the Himalayas and Siberia. Seriously.

    When you get right down to it, the Saudis, the Jordanians, the Turks, the Israelis, the Iraqis, the Persians, and eastward south of Russia are of Asian descent…yes the eastern coast of the Mediterranean is in Asia…south-west Asia.

    So I suspect her motive in criticizing “Caucasian” is to find a new and more comfortable American identify. Good luck with that, Indo-Americans are really in a kind of no-man’s land in the American identify racket.

    However, Resisting Defamation agrees with her on “Caucasian.” One reason is that members of one group deliberately pronounce it “cock-asian” as a way to sneak an insult into the discourse. A second reason is that Caucasian is used by another group to implicitly deny our diversity and nationality. Ever notice how everyone else is diverse? Ever notice how everyone else has “American” as a suffix? Not if you are a Caucasian.

    It’s just one of those insufferable big & little cuts inflicted on us every day, and most of us never notice that the other groups are celebrated as wonderfully diverse and good Americans, while our children are just never taught about our diversity and nationality.

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    • jane johnson

      How about using the collective “European-American”? Diversity AND unity.

      • MBlanc46

        It’s my term of choice. For Europeans outside of Europe, the “European diaspora”.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      You say, “she is definitely an Aryan,” but Uncle Adolph still would have relegated her to swarthy sub-human classification and had her whacked.

    • stewball

      Don’t forget that Israel is made up of immigrants from all over the world.

      • Bo_Sears

        Thanks, Stew: Good point and illustrative of the enormous complexity in this matter. For more information see www dot ResistingDefamation dot org, and/or Facebook: Resisting.Defamation

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    What, are you crazy? Everything was invented in Africa by blacks. The White man just came in and stole everything they created or invented and then took credit.

    • Oh, no! We done stold all dat dere stuff so bad dem darkies done forgot it der own selbs. Slap ma fro!

    • stewball

      Such BS. It was England who started the industrial revolution.

      • Creepy as a cracker!

        Stewball, it was sarcasm!

        • stewball

          Oops. Sorry.

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            Don’t mention it, a lot of sarcastic posts on this site.

          • stewball

            Thank you for your understanding.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    I think not, but it appears stupid questions asked by stupid people have gained acceptance and popularity.

  • MekongDelta69

    The New York Times has lost its meaning (and relevance) a very long time ago.

    • Sick of it

      Sometimes they put out a decent story on government fumbling, but otherwise yes.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    A few days ago, I was filling out a form that asked “race.” I wrote in Anglo-Kelt, Tuetonic-Nordic. Let ’em figure it out.

    • I used “Celt” for many years, as well as “Aryan-American” on official forms until I was told to cut that “stuff” right out.

      • Gislia Jackson

        I listed my occupation once, when I was about 19, on my tax return as “spy.” Not a good thing to do.

    • stewball

      LOL. I really did.

  • Eddie Lutz

    White works for me. However, I also never use the term African-American. I call them blacks … and that’s when I’m feeling charitable.

  • sbuffalonative

    Caucasian hasn’t lost it’s meaning. There are only people who what the word and the people to fade away.

    Also notice that Caucasian never developed negative connotations. That’s because stereotypical Caucasian behavior, unlike Negroid stereotypical behavior, was never something to be ashamed of.

  • MBlanc46

    Who asked her, and who cares?

  • Romulus

    Ms painters book wasnt based on hardly a shred of empirical science as she is another affirmative action prof. (black) at princeton. We must also take this article with a grain of salt because its coming from the J-york times! Painters book is mostly a deconstruction of whiteness. I do agree,however, that the term be disccarded. Blacks have the same skin hue as austroloids,sub asian indians and quite a few middle easterners. Black is a skin color not a race. So it is the same with “whites”. The two bolsheviks who blew up boston are “white colored, but absolutely not celtic, germanic, or scandinavian.

    • Romulus

      Another way of thinking of the term, is to think of a Pyramid with the word caucasoid at the apex and then in descending tiers, fill in each one with the ethnicities that are light with diacyphilic skulls. This a rudimentary example ,true, but a simple one.

  • He wasn’t much funnier even before he started using coke. Roast in Hell, George Carlin!

    • Romulus

      I saw him once while visiting phila. I was escorted from the premises.

    • MawellAxel

      Thanks, I never thought he was funny, he just seemed bitter and angry.

      • Gislia Jackson

        He ripped off a lot of Lenny Bruce’s material. Of course, Lenny Bruce was bitter and angry…

        • MawellAxel

          of course, he was a…..

  • IstvanIN

    I thought it was black but when I read the original article it said its father was an Indian (dot) and her mother was a not very moral former “white” woman.

  • Gunrunner1

    No other race should decide what we as Whites or Caucasians or Aryans or whatever should call ourselves. Not the negroid and especially not the Semitics at the NYT that hide their race behind a religion.

    • Bo_Sears

      Interesting point, and at Resisting Defamation we have learned to use the term “demographic affinity group” to stay away from the trick bag that has wasted many, many hours of very intelligent diverse white American & European scholars, namely, the race or religion thing. If you abandon using “race” in many contexts, you can supply its necessary meaning with “demographic affinity group” and respectfully decline to try to determine that ol’ race versus religion thing.

    • stewball

      Now you have spoiled my reading. I was enjoying the comments until you came up with the word ‘semitic’ and an unpleasant comment to follow. So this semite is out of here.

  • exLibtard

    Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, but I’d like to bring it up since the above article raises an important, related issue. The issue is how we define Whiteness. I used to scoff at the notion that race is a social construction. The people who claim this say it to mean “race is just a social construction”, which we know to be false. But there is a socially-constructed component to what we think of as being “White”. There was a time when Southern and Eastern Europeans were not considered White. Will anyone here contend that Italians, Irish, Russians, and Hungarians are White?

    Officially, the White race is growing in America – that is if you believe that half of Hispanics are “White”. Some of these people have sufficient European admixture to reasonably be considered White people. But their cultural frame of reference and racial solidarity lies south of the border, thus they don’t fit into our socially-constructed sense of Whiteness. In time, many of these people and their descendants will integrate into mainstream White America. They will not seem White at first, but over time, they will identify as White and seem more like “us” than “other”.

    A small percentage of Hispanics are genuinely European-American White. A comparatively larger percentage are Castizo (far more Spanish than Amerindian). These people will integrate and become more like us than the remaining and much larger population of mestizos. It’s important that we not overlook opportunities for ethnic alliance with people just because their current ethnic identity is rooted in Spanish or Latin culture.

    • The Poles, Hungarians and Ukranians always were white; they just were not assimilated immediately. They were “ethnic”. The Irish were always “white”; just very ethnic, a bit like some Jews or Russians.

    • KenelmDigby

      You say that echoing the leftist trope that really has gained traction, (by being repeated enough), over the past decade, (I never really heard it uttered before).

      But just a little thought experiment. Supposing that you were standing on a busy street corner in Chicago in 1920.Crowds of obviously non-black people pass you, but they do not speak. They are all dressed in identical 1920s apparel, caps, coats, shirts and ties. Could you honestly, by sight, distinguish a Pole from a German with unerring accuracy on every occasion?

      • exLibtard

        No, not with unerring accuracy. But I think Poles and Germans are different enough that, more often than not, one could tell them apart.

        • KenelmDigby

          Apparently Germans from the eastern part of Germany are genetically related to the Poles.
          The territory of Prussia, which was the heartand of the modern unified German state always had a large Polish influence.

          • David Ashton

            Didn’t Nietzsche have some Polish ancestry?

  • Evette Coutier

    Caucasian, European, White, Aryan, what’s the difference? We are the ones with the brains.

  • The way I see it … “Go ahead and call me a cracka, ni–er”.

  • KenelmDigby

    The term ‘European’ should be used by all Euro-descended people even if their familes have been settled in the USA or Australia for centuries.
    The term ‘White’ should be avoided. Not only are there to many leftists quibbling with it, as Euro-descended Americans dwindle to minority status they should express solidarity with their kin across the water rather than the multi-racial rabble the word ‘American’ now denotes.
    I believe the reluctance to use the descriptive term ‘European’ by Americans is due to the revolution of 1776 and the desire to make a clean break and fresh start from Britain.. That time has now passed and it’s better for Euro-Americans to assert their commonality with indigenous Europeans and their difference from the dark rabble.

    • Although it does not really apply as much to America and the Occident as it does to indigenous European peoples of Europe, I also get cautious at the use of ‘White’ instead of ‘indigenous’.

      This particularly applies to the British, who are no longer regarded or described as indigenous – but as “white”.

      Why does this matter? Well, in my opinion it matters because as a mere “colour” we are far more easily bracketed as a simple percentage that is swappable and changeable.

      Figures may cite that an area is “26% White” “26% Asian” “26% Black/African”. Which kind of makes it sound like we are just a number that ebbs and flows along with others.

      What it really means is that the indigenous population of Britain is being annihilated under a wave of “innocent” others. That an area is just “26% indigenous” would once have caused alarm if it was another part of the world we were talking about and another group of people.

      The British have to reinforce their legitimacy as the indigenous peoples of these Islands. Then they may call themselves Whites, Caucasians, Europeans, or whatever they like as part of a deeper racial category.

      At the end of the day though, it does not matter how articles like this or how we slice and dice the descriptions – we are currently collectively on our way out of existence.

      Whether they say one day in the next century that “Caucasians are near extinction” or “Whites are near extinction” or “Europeans are near extinction” does not really change what the words mean.

      We know who we are and what we mean by securing our future. It should not be for others, such as the New York Times, to ascribe to us a label or classification. That right belongs to us.

  • Epiminondas

    The term which the New York Times would love to see lose its meaning is “gentile of European descent”.

  • David Ashton

    “Caucasian” as a racial identification term may originate from a minor geographical half-truth, but a rose by another name; people know what it means, though alternatives are possible. The underlying motive for abandoning it maybe the desire to push the idea that “race” is an “illusion”. Ashley Montagu, who said “race” was a “dangerous myth”, was a biological anthropologist, who divided the human species into what he relabelled “major ethnic groups” including “Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids and Australoids” (“Human Heredity”, 1963, pp.221-222), though some of his subdivisions are now seen as inaccurate.

    The taxonomy of human subspecies remains an interesting and legitimate scientific enterprise, though there are disagreements about detail and therefore some nomenclature. Important modern contributions have been made especially by Bertil Lundman, Stanley Garn (1961) and John Baker (“Race”,1974). The purportedly anti-racist work on the history and geography of human genes by Luca Cavalli-Sforza (1996) actually supports most of the established taxonomy, while indicating more precisely the antiquity and relationship of various populations, and incidentally the considerable genetic distance of west African blacks from whites and Asians.

    The primary subspecies as named by Baker are: Europid [Caucasian], Negrid, Mongolid, Australasid, Khoisanid and Indianid [Amerind]. I suggest Afrid as a possible alternative for Negrid.

    Hybrid taxa include: Cape Coloreds, Hawaians, Indo-Dravidians and many Afro-Americans. According to miscegenation supporter Kenneth Dyer in 1974, “more than 5 per cent of the world’s population are the outcome of racial hybridization within the last 500 years” (“Biology of Racial Integration”, p.341), though this has accelerated in the western world in recent decades.

  • I will try to define these things; please correct me if I am wrong.

    A white person has no epicanthic (Asian) eyefolds.

    A white person has a light complexion, with blue veins visible on the lower arms.

    A white person recognizes other whites as such.

    • Jefferson

      I have no epicanthic eyefolds and I have a light complexion with blue veins visible on my lower arms.

      But I have dark brown hair and brown bedroom eyes. So I am White/Caucasian, but I am not Nordic.

  • Jefferson

    I thought Caucasian was a term to describe people who have a certain skull shape, regardless of their eye color, hair color, and even skin color.

    In that case, the term Caucasian is not limited to just light haired and light eyed Northern Europeans.

  • Jefferson

    So what if some Sicilians have blond hair and blue eyes, it still does not change the fact that dark brown hair and brown eyes are the norm in Sicily and not the exception.

    You can also find some blond haired and blue eyed people in Israel and Greece for example, but it still does not change the fact those nations are not blond Nordic countries like Norway and Sweden.

    You can find some blond haired and blue eyed people in Latin America as well, but it still does not make Latin America a Nordic region.

    • David Ashton

      You will find brown-eyed brown-haired people in north-western Europe.

      • stewball

        And eastern Europe.

    • stewball

      I knew a ginger haired blue eyed Moroccon who burned in the sun back in the day.

  • Anonymous White

    That guy is an obvious jew. Nasally voice, figure six nose, and a brilliant mind (by comparison).

  • Snow

    Even the preview of the YouTube clip lets us see that she is not likely to be very intelligent.

  • Romulus

    National origin place names ,ethnicity and race are not always the same thing. For example, your average Serbian ( the name for that geogragraphic area and it’s citizens) will generally exhibit in a larger percentile what is termed in genetics as “white Arab ” mutations. More or less, just like the borats that bombed Boston . If their is any fair or red mutations in that area, they are most likely left over during the many wars in the region. Territorial acquisition there has changed hands many times and warring factions can create a small amount of admixture, however, mutational origins at particular longitudes and latitudes hasn’t changed. Which is precisely why their is no such thing as an African European. Whether or not they mix with whites or not still doesn’t make them indigenous. Your familiar with the term “black Irish” I assume. It is the description given to the Mediterranean features people who migrated into so much of western Europe after the collapse of Rome. Once again, the people changed their address, NOT THEIR DNA! They still are of Mediterranean extraction and NOT Celtic, Spanish, gauls,iceni, heard, Danes goths, etc.,etc.,etc. Mutations take tens of thousands of years to make, despite the lies of the current collegiate profs. They appear to keep changing the dates of evolutionary transitions purposely to push the false notion that their is little that separates the races. Even now,while I write this, the elite on the continent(traitors) are trying to write the blacks into our ancestors history.

  • Snow

    Lol

  • Evette Coutier

    She has a stellar future as an MSNBC commentator.

    • Snow

      Lol

  • Korean guy

    I was born in South Korea and I do not mind the term “Oriental” at all. Actually, none of East Asian people that I personally know, would not mind the term “Oriental” either. As it was already stated, the term “Oriental” only has a geographical meaning. There is nothing rude or inappropriate about the term.

    A Chilean girl named Karla invited me to her birthday party, and I had a chance to meet a few people. She has a blond British Canadian boyfriend named David. I was asked, “So how do you know Karla?” and I responded, “Oh I am David’s brother” and everyone thought that was hilarious because that is obviously impossible.

    If anyone ever tells me, “Hm, considering your appearance, I guess you are from one of the East Asian countries?” then I do not find it offensive at all, and I do not see why anyone else would find that offensive.

    If anyone else feels offended by the term “Oriental” or is afraid that the term “Oriental” might be offensive to some people, then that person is overly sensitive. That person will probably be offended when a random dog barks at him in public.

  • stewball

    Excellent. Thank you.

  • stewball

    The cazars would not be considered white per se in Israel. There is also a little settlement in the north of Israel where Caucasians from the caucus? Live. I don’t remember if they’re muslim or Christian but I would imagine the latter as they serve in the army. I’m sorry I keep popping in with useless bits of information.

  • stewball

    Is she for real? But a mean husband.