Census: More Deaths than Births Among Whites

Greg Toppo and Paul Overberg, USA Today, June 13, 2013

The USA’s largest population group—whites who are not Hispanic—recorded more deaths than births last year for the first time ever, according to an analysis of Census Bureau estimates out today. The milestone reflects the aging of the white population and lower birth rates than those among minorities.

Between July 2011 and July 2012, an estimated 12,400 more white Americans died than were born, says demographer Kenneth Johnson of the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey Institute. As recently as 2010-11, white births outpaced deaths by 29,600. The figures don’t include multiracial births.

The number of whites still increased slightly last year because immigration more than compensated for the gap between births and deaths. Whites make up 64% of the population and might become a minority by 2050 if current trends continue.

Today’s data show that the USA’s Asian population rose 2.9% last year, much of it because of immigration. Hispanics grew 2.2% and now represent better than one in six Americans. Blacks grew by 1.3% and whites by 0.1%.

Demographers studying the USA’s rapidly growing diversity have long expected that deaths among the non-Hispanic white population ultimately would outpace births, but they didn’t expect it until the end of the decade. Johnson says the economic downturn prompted a “precipitous” drop in births among the group.

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  • Morris LeChat

    the white race is in this position because of feminism.

    • IstvanIN

      It is overly simplistic to blame Feminism. Although it is true that better educated women have fewer children than less educated women and increased opportunities for women in the work force is also a contributing factor, it isn’t quite that simple. Quite a few factors have been at work, including the relentless destruction of the middle class, the destruction of the ability of white men to support a family on one income, massive immigration, extended childhood (frequently well into the 20s if not 30s), propaganda in the media, and the death of Christianity among a large portion of our population.

      I believe we could have survived a down tick in our population if we had maintained our own living spaces. Unfortunately the West has invited large numbers of blatantly hostile aliens. We are now surrounded and soon to be out numbered in our own lands, and that will be our final undoing.

      It is overly simplistic to blame Feminism. Although it is true that better educated women have fewer children than less educated women and increased opportunities for women in the work force is also a contributing factor, it isn’t quite that simple. Quite a few factors have been at work, including the relentless destruction of the middle class, the destruction of the ability of white men to support a family on one income, massive immigration, extended childhood (frequently well into the 20s if not 30s), propaganda in the media, and the death of Christianity among a large portion of our population.

      I believe we could have survived a down tick in our population if we had maintained our own living spaces. Unfortunately the West has invited large numbers of blatantly hostile aliens. We are now surrounded and soon to be out numbered in our own lands, and that will be our final undoing.

      • The__Bobster

        the destruction of the ability of white men to support a family on one income
        ___________

        The massive flood of women into the workplace had the effect of lowering wages for everyone.

        • Morris LeChat

          Precisely!

          • Yeah, but the guys were renters in the 1950’s, whites didn’t have almost everyone own a home and the wife stayed home until 1970. Its allowing Hispanics that even work 2 people to come here and get jobs, it would have better to not have legalized 3 million under Reagan and the drop in births would have not mattered. Immigration not birth rates is the real culprit here.

          • Morris LeChat

            The decline in the white birth rate is due mainly to feminism. No one needs a white female professional who talks about having one or two children as if it was the hardest thing in the world. The sanctimony and the vanity of the professional female is disgusting, and boring. They play the martyr role to the hilt. They also burden their only child with their guilt in having just one child and tell that child it has to be uber successful.

          • Sick of it

            Lack of concentration, ideas, and performance is not impressive. Talking on the phone all day long at work is not impressive.

          • AllSeeingEyeSpy

            You used a lot of nasty words to describe professional women. The only real problem they have is they will not marry down?

          • Sherman_McCoy

            Interesting thought. What does that mean, i wonder? Could it mean that “marrying down” would be marrying a man who was passed over for jobs and promotion in favor of undeserving minorities or women?

            My pleasant looking, though not particularly attractive first wife (who had a considerably lower IQ than I, but who I thought was a great wife and mother ) left us when she went to work outside the home in a factory full of baboons and got herself knocked up by one. Still hard for me to explain why she would leave a man with a 6 figure income and a good career and three children for a barely literate, penniless subhuman (hypertrophied genitals, perhaps?). She lost her home, her family, her BMW, and of course, because apes never stick around, her “man” and her apeling.

            After my youngest left home, I made sure that I married up, i.e., much younger,MUCH more attractive, much smarter, and much more devoted to home and hearth, i,e., no career. 15 years and 2 kids later, I’m glad she married “down.”

          • saxonsun

            You are pathetic. You don’t own women. You don’t own our bodies. You cannot tell us what to do. You cannot tell us to have kids or how many to have. This I can tell you, sir. The male chromosome is weak and described by male geneticists as “ragged.” Maybe evolution is sending a message here.

          • HJ11

            We live on a small planet. Low birth rates of Whites is the problem.

          • Sick of it

            My grandparents were very poor and BUILT their first home…times have changed.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            Some conservatives worship Ronald Reagan but he was really a trojan horse. It was during his administration (my 20s) when Americans finally gave up hope of a reversal of the New Deal, a reversal of Johnson’s Great Society, a reversal of racial integration. Reagan had come in on a waive of great hope, and in the end he really just set everything bad in cement, the first general amnesty for a huge number of illegal immigrants just being one example.

          • IstvanIN

            Thomas Sowell wrote an article a number of years ago about Chicago Janitor Unions. His premise was that in the 1950s/1960s a black man could support a family on a union janitor’s salary. To break the unions the elites brought in cheap hispanic labor. Cheap labor isn’t cheap.

          • Morris LeChat

            cheap labor has been the sole false cause used to foist the obammcare disaster on us.

          • Sick of it

            Want to know something really sick? A guy delivering water in a jug can make just as much as a professional who spent years in college and owes tons in student loan debt. The market pricing for wages today makes no sense…

        • IstvanIN

          A contributing factor to be sure, but so is massive immigration. If it weren’t for immigratant competition it would be easier for women to enter the work force, leave for children and then reenter the work force as well.

        • Very few people know that.

      • MekongDelta69

        Your list is correct and I could add to it, but anyone who reads AmRen on a regular basis knows them all by heart anyway.

        The point is that when I grew up, America was about 90% White. We could have ‘down ticked’ to 100 people in the country – 90 Whites and 10 (whomevers) and we still would have been fine.

        You know what ‘diversity’ meant when I was growing up? (Actually, I don’t even remember hearing that word when I grew up, but you know what I mean.)
        Diversity‘ meant going down to Chinatown (NYC) to get Chinese food and then going home to our respective European-American neighborhoods.

        • Morris LeChat

          I had to work at a function for female executives. They had a speaker giving a long speech about the usual women’s movement tripe and how it was so hard for women and how they still have to fight etc etc and then she went on a long rant about diversity and how committed they were to diversity. I looked around and it was all white women with the exception of one black and two asians. I wondered what third of the women in the room would volunteer to give up their jobs for a minority. Seriously, for real diversity, 1/3 of them, or even more, should be replaced, and without a severance package because the injustice of their having the job that a minority should have had in the first place (according to them) should not be rewarded. The fate of this country was written when women were given political power. They are a contrary creature that are completely illogical and self serving. Abortion would never have become legal if women were not given the right to vote yet they hate men who are in the military.

          • MekongDelta69

            ALL leftists talk the talk, but will NEVER walk the walk.

            One of the most important attributes you have to have to be a good leftist, is that you HAVE to be a hypocrite.

          • JohnEngelman

            Republicans complain about the deficit. Yet only 27.1 favor tax increases on the rich. Only 15.6 favor major cuts in military spending. Only 13.3 favor major cuts in Social Security. Only 15.5 favor major cuts in Medicare.

            http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll%20responses%20by%20party%20ID.pdf

            Whoever voted me down does not like being told the truth about Republican hypocrisy.

          • Morris LeChat

            95.7 percent of us favor you going away

          • Sick of it

            You shouldn’t be voted down for pointing out that people across the board cling to entitlement programs and a military presence overseas that is financially unsustainable as well as unnecessary in a time when we aren’t even defending our own borders.

            The ancient Egyptians lasted longer as a nation than we have by millenia..why don’t we plant troops on our borders like they did? The Romans, despite their faults, realized the necessity of having their troops on their borders at all times. Even when they went to war, it was against neighboring tribes, not far distant nations (which is more cost effective btw).

      • pcmustgo

        Hard to grow up when there’s few full-time jobs around. “extended childhood “

      • AllSeeingEyeSpy

        “I believe we could have survived a down tick in our population if we had maintained our own living spaces”.

        Yeah, I suspect immigration lowers the white birth rate. It certainly lowers the number of white women having babies with a white father. The answer to lower birthrates seems to be ‘we need immigration’, as if immigration didn’t cause the problem in the first place and will somehow make things better.

      • Greg_Deane

        Feminism is not the only reason for a decline in the birth rate. Another one is the celebration of homosexuality, and the pressure put on bisexuals to parade their homosexuality rather than keep it to themselves. There is also a concerted effort in all areas of the media to urge miscegenation through glorification of biracial unions. And then there is mass immigration of thugs and peasants and religious lunatics from the third world who turn into a dangerous fifth column of quislings.

        All these evils have been engineered, quite deliberately, by leaders claim to be democratically elected to safeguard the nations they are sabotaging.

        • Sean Lee Walthour

          So then, WHY do you suppose these conditions (which affect EVERY nationality) are having this unique result amongst pale men n women? WHY is the result different?
          I mean, u are aware this is worldwide phenomenon right?

          • Greg_Deane

            Are you aware that you are an idiot?

          • Sean Lee Walthour

            More ad hominem attacks to evade the question?
            WHY do that, IF u in fact have an answer?
            Hmmmmm.. im not the idiot here bro..
            Btw, u presumptuous jackass, im indian,spanish and German.
            Fact remains you CANT get mad at folks for doing the same as YOU do..P.S. Americans everyday take the CREDIT for what NON AMERICANS have been INVENTING.
            A lil thing called the H1B Visa..
            The genius u speak of is OUTSOURCED!
            IN THE WORDS OF MY ASIAN SIS AT THE CORNER STORE,
            ” U CONFIDANCE DONT MATCHIE MATCHIE UINTELLIGENCE”

      • Sean Lee Walthour

        Didnt ur ancestors come to AMERICA as HOSTILE ALIENS?
        How soon we forget history lol….

        • Greg_Deane

          Indians have benefited in hundreds of ways from European settlement-to the point where you redskins can make an easy living griping about the evils you didn’t suffer a tenth as much as you like to say.

          • Sean Lee Walthour

            So, indians should be grateful for being usurped? Hmmm. Interesting. Typical defensive response. Rather than deal with the facts, u inject emotional pleas and bias.. predictable lol.
            I guess its okay to be an immigrant who detest immigrants.
            You are a GENIUS

      • Sean Lee Walthour

        Btw, HOW do u conclude that economics plays a part? Do u imply that Poorer people just naturally reproduce better?
        Makes sense if you DONT think about it lmaoooo

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      I agree with your points, but women’s minds have been filled with such poison that some subtlety is necessary. I don’t think I could get my wife to buy it, but maybe I can convince my daughters. I’m not the right one to come up with the necessary salesmanship, but I will tell my daughters that our first duty to ourselves and those we love is to create and rear the next generation, and right now, the more, the better. I’ll also let them know that my achievements of scholarship and work are but means to an end, and that is to support my family and to enjoy the fruits of family life. It might not seem like there is much in the way of such fruits at times, but they do come at odd times and in odd ways. Even if they don’t seem like much, scholarship and work pale by comparison. Unlike my wife and I, if they have kids young, they’ll have more time to enjoy children and grandchildren, and while my sorry butt is around, I’ll be able to work and give them some support. I only hope I can influence them to seek out good men to be their husbands.

      • Morris LeChat

        Don’t send them to college.

        • Sick of it

          Considering what those men learn in universities today, that may not be the best idea. And then we could go into little frat boys who have yet to grow up…the old paradigm worked best, although it’s terribly unpopular these days (older men, younger women).

          • Morris LeChat

            Depends on the University, and I am not suggesting any party at any “frat” houses.

          • Sherman_McCoy

            It works for me.

      • Romulus

        From the time they can walk is when to introduce them to their cultural heritage. Glorify the achievements of the West and the nations we’ve spawned. Leave out nothing. Showing appreciation of others is altruistic but they must learn to love themselves first above all else. Take them on tours of our great ancestors history through events and museums and literature. Apologize for nothing. In the annals of evolutionary biology might makes right, always has ,always will. The strong will prevail! Introduce them to a wide variety of skills necessary for survival. They will thank you when they mature.

        • Morris LeChat

          a good collection of articles and videos of negro and other minority behavior is also a good thing to have around. You need to teach them the real truths about the others.

          • Romulus

            Agreed!

  • HJ11

    Whites need to shed false beliefs about what it means to be White. We have layers of false beliefs that are helping keep down our birthrate. And, watch some of the comments that show up on this site from Whites who tell us (in various ways) that we Whites are too good to have children if we must take welfare. I say: BS! Nature screams out to every organism: “Make more like yourself or you’ll be replaced.” Too many Whites aren’t listening.

    • The__Bobster

      I’ve been on libtard sites where women trash White families like the Duggars for having lots of children while ignoring the welfare queens.

      • ncpride

        Not only that, those same women look down their self righteous noses at other women who choose to be stay-at-home-moms, or as I describe myself, homemakers. I’ve been lucky in that regard, having a husband who can support his family on a single income, and I understand that not all women have that luxury, but how dare they try to make us feel…..less… because we stay at home. Managing a home and family takes just as much work as their ‘careers’, and I would know since I’ve done both.

        • My sister who doesn’t work, but has six kids, works harder than any woman that works.
          .
          First, I couldn’t imagine doing all the household chores and all the errands she has to do. But the coupon clipping and managing where to buy things – she discovered the Amazon subscription ordering a few years ago for certain things. Sports camp. Picking up the kids. Soccer.

          • HJ11

            Your sister should be a model for other women. A woman carries a whole tribe within her body; we need to encourage them to let those White tribes emerge.

        • Sick of it

          You’re doing the best you can for your kids…kudos.

        • Romulus

          The femmebots used the same tactics to denigrate Anne Romney! You are a credit to your gender and people. Thank you.

          • ncpride

            Exactly! That’s the kind of mentality I’ve come across when ask what I ‘do’ for a living. At what point did it become ‘uncool’ for a woman to stay home and take care of her family?

          • Romulus

            Starting with Susan B. Anthony, then Gloria Steinem. Woman going to the factories to make the weapons of white war 1&2. Tech advances to help free them from the household and finally the sexual revolution. The pill(dr.roc),abortion (infanticide, roe vs. wade), and role reversal. If industrialism grinds to a halt or we become more austere, the roles will return to their former positions.

        • gemjunior

          Yes, I am in the same way as yourself and being a stay at home mother is the best thing I’ve ever done. My kids have had the good fortune to have 4 grandparents nearby and active in their lives since they were born as well as a large extended family. Indeed these women do look down their noses at us – I think on some level they have to be jealous. My neighbors are a strange couple living in the house behind us and the husband has his own construction business and seems to do very well on his own. Every year they buy a brand new BMW for the family. They have three young kids. So instead of staying home with them which would make much more sense IMHO, she accompanies him over the Tappan Zee to Manhattan every morning to her job as an “administrative assistant” in a bank near Wall Street. Her kids? They have a live-in nanny from Jamaica who lumbers around the house and has her own baby living there. I see her put them on the bus in the morning and all she ever does is text on her phone, while she ‘raises’ someone else’s kids. I would never want a stranger living in my home, even as a servant, something I cannot imagine – not being too far from the peasantry myself. I just cannot understand why a woman would do something like that, probably just breaks even after paying the nanny her salary. How much does an administrative assistant make? It can’t be 6 figures right? An admin. assistant is a secretary-type job I think. Well I guess to each his own. I know she looks askance at me for not working. And when I did (for a short time) I made much more money and didn’t pay a nanny – I was lucky to have those Granmas and Granpas. Still, you have to decide what’s best for the kids. And it’s definitely their mother. The nanny reports that when she goes home to the Bronx on the weekends her little child won’t play with other little black children and favors whites because he’s always with them – perhaps he thinks he is white. The poor kid is in for a surprise I think.

        • Spartacus

          Don’t let any of those whores make you feel bad. You’re fighting the good fight, both for yourself, and for your entire race. The feminist c***s are human-shaped toilets, nothing else. Any crap they spew out of their mouths isn’t worth listening to.

    • Romulus

      Unfortunately, for us, mother nature can be a b!###

  • MekongDelta69

    Remember America the way it used to be? The way it should have stayed?

    I do, and I feel sorry for those who never experienced it – but you can kiss all that ‘buh-bye.’

    Thank you Mr. Marx, Mr. Gramsci, Mr. Alinsky, Mr. – ahh, there are waaaaay too many to list here. Besides, you know all the ‘usual suspects’ anyway.

    • The__Bobster

      Yes, the ones who convinced White students in the 60’s to limit the number of kids they would produce while saying nothing about the turd world.

      • Morris LeChat

        The ones who wrote the TV shows that said it is wrong to “bring children into the world today”

        at 9:14

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8D53X99jss

        • I wrote this in response to a post of your’s that is gone:

          In my opinion, less than 50% of working women are even enjoyable people to be around. The ones that are are typically employed in more traditional supporting roles.

          • Morris LeChat

            Professional females are a strange parody of masculinity.

    • Romulus

      So true. Did some light reading on the tribe in the confederacy today. I was astonished to discover that more than 10,000(mostly Ashkenazi) uden fought for the south. The number is waaaay to low. Should’ve been more than the tragedy of all the Scot-Irish boys.

    • JohnEngelman

      Thank the plutocracy. The rich make higher profits because most American wage earners earn lower wages.

      • Morris LeChat

        you just wanted to use the word “plutocracy”

      • David Ashton

        The industrialization of women, easy abortion, state nurseries, the vilification of heterosexual home-makers – all these have been “left” objectives.

        • JohnEngelman

          What does that have to do with higher profits and lower wages?

    • JohnEngelman

      Remember America the way it used to be? The way it should have stayed?

      – MekongDelta69

      I am guessing that was the America of the 1950s. Back then the top tax rate was 91.percent.
      http://www.data360.org/dataset.aspx?Data_Set_Id=857&transpose=row

      One third of the work force was in labor unions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States

  • Pelagian

    I hear a song in my head, sort of a refrain for this article: either “The End” by the Doors, or, even more appropriate, “Here It Is” by Peter Manning Robinson (recorded by L. Cohen) http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/leonard+cohen/here+it+is_20082869.html

    Either way … it’s “over” for us.

  • Greg Thomas

    Rapidly growing diversity + decline in White births + open borders = White genocide!

  • The__Bobster

    The number of whites still increased slightly last year because immigration more than compensated for the gap between births and deaths.
    _________

    I wonder what they’re calling “White”.

    • Nathanwartooth

      I’m guessing Arabs.

  • Evette Coutier

    The infusion of illegals mimics the behavior of invasive species that destroy environments. The foreign species enters an environment, out populates indigenous species, and destroys the biome. Such has been true of illegals and other groups in America.

    • HJ11

      Nature doesn’t give any organisms a free ride. Either compete to be the dominant organism in a niche or some other organism will replace you.

      We Whites need to compete better and in this case this means we need to have more children. Yes, I know, that’s a very obvious answer, but maybe just saying it will help some get past supposed White norms and have them start bringing more of us into existence.

      We have brains, so we can see what is going on. We can read that our birthrate is too low, so we can change. But, will we? Check back in a thousand years and see if there are any Whites still alive.

      I’m betting on us Whites surviving and coming out on top again, but we’re probably going to go through very big problems before we do emerge on top again and many of our family lines will no longer exist.

      • Sick of it

        You’ll know the end result within the next 5 years…guaranteed. We’re at one of the biggest turning points in human history.

        • HJ11

          I disagree. Five years is an eyeblink. I can also say with a very high probability that my family line will still be around for many years.

          • Sick of it

            Then you’re not paying attention to what’s going on in the world around you.

          • HJ11

            Nope, I pay very close attention, and I’ve seen people predict doom and gloom outcomes a few years down the road many times over. So far, they’ve been wrong, and they’ll be wrong again. We have a stronge instinct for survival and many of us are going to survive. This I believe.

  • Romulus

    Economic downturn is only one factor for the birth dearth! The three F’s are the biggest contributors since the sixties. Femme,
    Filth, and Fa#!!!! The underlying common denominator is a drop
    In babies.

    • Morris LeChat

      You make a very good point. In the workplace, the females and the homosexuals pretty much rule the men. The homosexuals get what they want because the (childless) women see them as emotionally crippled children and assume a nurturing and protective role regarding them. Having women in the workplace has totally screwed everything up. It is interesting to see though how 90% of women change their opinion about homosexual men once they have children.

  • Anan7

    We need to solve this. I am expediting my engagement and marriage process because of this.

    • HJ11

      I, for one, hope you have many, many children.

  • 1XXX

    Only a true, in your face, life-or-death-now crisis is capable of waking white people up….and even that is iffy.

  • IstvanIN

    Another, though probably small factor, is murder of whites by non-whites. It seems I read every day about some white child or young adult killed by black or hispanics. Of course the story comes and goes very quickly, no Trayvon Skittles 24/7 coverage, but it seems to be a pretty consistent thing.

    • Romulus

      A good point that often gets overlooked.

      • Romulus

        If all your men are dead, you cannot pass on your line. Other males(miscegenation) will do it for you.

  • Cannot Tell

    This is the most depressing articles I’ve ever read. When I read America Alone by Mark Steyn I thought to myself that at least the U.S. isn’t following Europe’s footsteps: white women in the U.S. still have babies! But now it seems that they have joined Europe’s ranks. I am left to wonder yet again if low birthrates are an inevitable consequence of industrialization.

    • HJ11

      Whites have become as dispirited as American Indians once were. We need to start being a joyful and expanding people again.

      Just have kids. Don’t worry about anything else. Everything will work out when we teem once again.

      • Morris LeChat

        whites are very demoralized right now because of the way or leadership has so betrayed us.

        • Romulus

          I mentioned “filth” for its debilitating effect on heterosexual familial intimacy. Americans spend approx 11 billion a year on porn. Which has had a devastating effect on the Christian nuclear family. Not to mention, fatherless homes drug and alcohol use, STD’s, and male aggression. As far as homosexuality is concerned, its impact is now quite obvious. The piling on and acceptance of deviant social behavior that breakdown the mores and belief systems that are the glue of healthy male/female pairbond.

          • Morris LeChat

            I agree with you.

          • Romulus

            Whoever keeps giving me a “thumbs down” must be taking issue with my stance on Adam and Steve. Thanks for the support.

          • Morris LeChat

            who are Adam and Steve?

          • Romulus

            I was thanking you for our mutual consensus on topic. The Adam and Steve reference was for whoever keeps giving me the thumbs down. Adam and Steve is a gay metaphor.

          • Mr Plankton

            Bossman probably. Or engleman.

          • Romulus

            Hahaha! Thanks mr.plankton. I like your screen name. Reminds me of Bill Nye, the science guy! Remember him!?

          • JohnEngelman

            I voted you up, but homosexuals are not responsible for the fact that so many heterosexuals have illegitimate children and divorces.

          • Morris LeChat

            Yes, actually, they are, they have changed the social norms. They have redefined sexual relations as being solely for pleasure with no other consequences.What is acceptable for them has become acceptable for everyone. Heterosexual people are living a homosexualized lifestyle. They want sex without consequences, without committment. Relationships are now about personal fulfillment and not obligation. They redefined everything and that is how we ended up where we are.

          • Romulus

            Well put Morris! Old school Christians were on to something when they labeled people “fornicators”. Living for lust is inherently destructive.

          • WhiteGayMale

            Most heterosexuals who were living a lifestyle of promiscuity decades ago had little or no idea about homosexuality. You must believe that homosexuals were extremely powerful, even back in the 1960s.

          • Romulus

            Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish. I,on the other hand will never support homosexuality. Political correctness does not trump 3.5 billion years of evolutionary biology in my eyes. The gay meme contributed indirectly, because they believe they are born that way. If that’s true(despite evidence to the contrary) then it indeed that they cannot or will not breed. Thus if a significantnumber of whites are gay, it will have a negative effect on whites birthrate. They cannot become pregnant with either a false phallus or the other orifice. I attempted to use inoffensive vocabulary. I hope I don’t get moderated.

          • Mr Plankton

            Thanks! I’m not familiar with Bill nye so I looked him up and it looks like he was after my time as a kid. I was in the marines during the time he was on the air and the only science I was interested in was reproductive science and how much beer I could drink before intoxication science. If that isn’t a science, it should be.

            My kids kids seriously dig Spongebob, and I find myself enjoying it too. So here I am.

          • Romulus

            SEMPER FIDELIA!! Hooah. From a brother in arms, albeit a soldier. Blues clues is popular over here. Also the original looney tunes,tom and Jerry, land of the lost,the rifleman, Run tintin. Pretty much all the old Americana.

          • WhiteGayMale

            Thank you, John. The suggestion that homosexuals are responsible for this problem is absurd.

      • gemjunior

        So many women beelieve that it’s not a good thing to have many children because it’s irresponsible and a burden on the planet, and they believe that it’s admirable to work. It’s scary. I heard that there was a prophecy in Arabic about how, in the end times, women would turn from their children taking no joy in them. Seems about right.

        • Morris LeChat

          they have been brainwashed, we need to tell them the truth

        • Greg Thomas

          Right and those same women seemingly have no problems with handing over their tax dollars to illegal invading Filberto and Lupita, in order to subsidize their six anchor babies.

      • Spartacus

        Might I add – have kids AND teach them how to fight, trust me, they’ll need it. Ideally, teach them 1 striking sport (boxing, kickboxing, muay thay, etc.) and one grappling sport (wrestling, judo, brazilian jiu-jitsu, etc.). That way, not only will they be able to defend themselves from increasingly violent dark-skins, but they’ll also be healthier AND, the most important thing – they’ll have more self-confidence, and they’ll need a lot of that.

    • IstvanIN

      Increasing affluence seems to be a factor in most of the world for depressed birth rates. There was an Asian President, either Singapore or Indonesia, who complained about smart, educated women not having children while the poor had too many. Perhaps someone else remembers exactly who. He caught heck for it.

    • Sick of it

      During the industrial revolution, many families had upwards of TWELVE children. I’m thinking it’s more a matter of ridiculous ideologies like socialism.

    • Mr Plankton

      His newest book is even more depressing.
      After America: Get Ready for Armageddon

  • IstvanIN

    Another issue, though probably small, is the murder of whites, especially young white adults and children, by blacks and hispanics. I seem to see an article about this every day, although the story quickly disappears unlike the 24/7 Trayvon Skittles coverage. There also seems to be an epidemic of white children committing suicide because of being harassed, attacked and bullied by non-whites. These are both important factors.

  • Ella

    I meet up with women who have 2-4 children but we don’t have much company. Whites make a big mistake when it comes to starting families, often too late when the youthful years slowly end. Men also wait too long to save “more wealth.” (Once White couples started out in apartments with1st child and now, people demand a home.) The average age for US Whites is 43; European women are closer to 45. So it’s a demographic problem from age to abortion. Anyone in here have 3 plus kids? It’s expensive.

    • Morris LeChat

      it’s expensive to do it the white people way, but illegals have no trouble having many children. They don’t think that every child has to go to college. College and the idea that women have to be sent there, has been very damaging to white demographics.

      • HJ11

        We need to shed “the white people way,” [of having children] just as we shed many things of the 1950’s, that were not really the white way, but just a period we were going through.

        NOTHING is more important than Whites having children with other Whites.

        • Morris LeChat

          MY point exactly. The white people way is to spend ridiculous money buying ridiculous things and being worried about ridiculous things. Those people who were pioneers to the west did not even expect to have doctors let alone “health care”. People really have gotten to the point where they are willing to trade their freedom for security, and with freedom goes one’s life.

    • IstvanIN

      And they want a McMansion, not a normal house. Although it seems builders don’t build small houses anymore, just McMansion and Condos.

    • Kalel Jorelson

      For the amount of money my former wife wasted and/or just threw away, destroyed during our lengthy divorce, we could have afforded to have 4-5 kids go to private school and then on to college. Her friends and anti-marriage lawyers and social service workers got hold of her and convinced her that a traditional marriage was degrading to women. We did have and could have kept a very fine lifestyle indeed but for the demands of feminism and attendant social pressures. Another word for communism, of course, is envy.

      • Romulus

        My condolences,my friend.

  • Talltrees

    “The poor, who are disproportionately non-white, can have as many children as they want and (most they don’t want – ‘oops’ babies), since they receive free medical and hospital care, as well as bigger welfare checks for each additional child. The middle income American, who insists on paying his own way, cannot afford large families.”

    “The Dispossessed Majority,” Wilmot Robertson – The Fiscal Battlefront, pg 369

    • Morris LeChat

      well then, time to abandon the “middle income” bracket. Children come first. The Amish are not middle income and they manage. The Hasidic Jews are not middle income and they manage. One common denominator of both groups- they don’t send children to college.

      • Kalel Jorelson

        I have recently been working with some people in New Jersey who have introduced me to some of the Hasidic Jews who run the diamond trade in New York. You’re damned right they aren’t middle class. They make more per month than most people do in a year…..they don’t spend it on clothes, but they have it tucked away somewhere.

        • Morris LeChat

          not all of them are in the diamond trade. Still though, Being a diamond trader does not require a college degree. Some of the traders in the diamond business do well, but most of the others don’t. The cutters get a craftsman’s salary.Then you have butchers, deli and restaurant owners, etc. Where I live one often runs into young white male contractors, plumbers, electricians, mechanics etc. They usually have at least two or three children before they are thirty. Once again, no college degree.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            Well, I have lots of college & university degrees and I can assure you they aren’t really necessary for much of anything in the world, realistically. Not one of the Founding Fathers had a law degree (because there were no such things as law degrees before the 19th century). Education, like everything else, has become an inflation- debased commodity. It’s sad, but some of the best and most-constitutionally oriented legal minds today are those NOT twisted around by law schools.

          • Morris LeChat

            It reminds me of something I heard in one of the Amren videos. Someone was introducing Jarred Taylor and mentioned his first book and how academics were surprised that a non academic wrote something that was researched and referenced and documented so thoroughly. When one has a bright mind and common sense, relentless education is not necessary and will most likely dull the mid. Academics think that anyone who has not jumped through their hoops is not capable, they are simply wrong. Education does not make anyone smarter, just more educated. It does not make them more capable. Conversely, a smart and capable person, even if uneducated in certain areas, is capable of doing many things as they can see what they need to do and are capable of figuring out how to do it on their own.

          • Nathanwartooth

            Huh?

            Education

            1973 — BA, Philosophy, Yale University
            1978 — Diplôme, Institut d’Etudes Politiques de Paris

            He can speak Japanese, French and obviously English.

            He is about the opposite of non academic.

            His books are excellent, well researched and well referenced, because they have to be. They are going to get torn apart by the nearest leftist if they aren’t.

          • Morris LeChat

            well then, I don’t know why the person said that. Perhaps because although he may have degrees, he is not a part of Academia. I agree, his books are excellent. He does good and important work.

        • Romulus

          They’ve been running the diamond and gem trade for quite some time now. It is no accident that the word Levy is tied to banking. I’m not quite sure about the word Jew-eler,though.

          • Nathanwartooth

            The word jeweler has nothing to do with Jews.

            I looked it up the last time it was mentioned.

          • Romulus

            Thank you,as I said, I was unsure. I don’t believe im wrong about the gem trade though.antwerp is an example.

      • Talltrees

        White women lost their maternal instinct and became masculine somewhere along the line. Despite all the brainwashing from liberals past, females still should WANT children regardless of education. It’s abnormal that they don’t. There was a time when they couldn’t wait to quit working to have kids.

        Read the comments section here:

        http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=9849766#page:showThread,9849766

        • Morris LeChat

          I’d venture to guess that some of those comments are written by armies of paid posters.

          • Mr Plankton

            Oh, if only black women and illegals thought the same way as those commenters.

        • IstvanIN

          Those comments made me very sad. Such hollow people.

          • Morris LeChat

            mostly all females, the bitter antisocial ones one sees at colleges. They are frustrated and bitter because modern society has left them adrift. They offer themselves up to guys for “casual” sex, but women are never really casual about it. They then have to pretend that it meant nothing to them and this really makes them mad. They end up hating the whole world .

        • gemjunior

          That was reallly depressing. Reading those comments made me sick. The majority of women seem to be narcissistic, selfish twats who deserve to be isolated and alone in a nursing home when they get old. And they will be. I doubt that their “sex and the city” type buddies will be lining up to visit them in their smelly, unchanged diapers. Far better to have sons and daughters who love you to care for you in your old age.

      • IstvanIN

        The Amish are pretty self-sufficient and 2) their lifestyle isn’t really applicable to most of us. Very few people will return, or even could return, to agrarian lifestyle.

        As for the tribe, we should be as cartel orientated as they are. They support each other, we don’t.

        • Morris LeChat

          We used to support each other.

        • Mr Plankton

          One day we may not have a choice but to return to a more agrarian lifestyle. The economy that we have is unsustainable.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            I am told that with good technology and planning, you can support an entire family on two acres of land with a surplus for trade in any ecological zone of the United States (I guess except far northern Alaska…)

          • Mr Plankton

            Two acres sounds about right. It’s more than one man can do by himself though. Farming entails so much more than just sticking seeds in the ground and watching them grow. If you dont have the equipment readily available, having a good woman and 8 or 10 kids is almost essential to get all the work done that needs to be done. I grew up on a farm in the south, it’s not an easy life.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            My point was just that many suburban or exurban households already have enough land to achieve a degree of self-sufficiency. It just requires the will to do so.

          • Morris LeChat

            These day, Detroit could be self sufficient if the right people were there.

          • Mr Plankton

            You’re absolutely correct sir.

          • IstvanIN

            Farming requires patience, planning and hard work, which is why Africans fail at it.

          • Morris LeChat

            They do indeed. The farmland redistribution program in South Africa has been a major failure for this very reason. The black farmers fail and then resell the land back to the white farmers:

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032588/Black-farmers-South-Africa-cash-selling-land-given-government–whites-originally-owned-farms.html

          • IstvanIN

            With the current population density and diversity that isn’t really possible. After some sort of calamity, yes, it would be.

          • HJ11

            It is possible. The core of what the Amish do is that they have separated themselves from the larger society and have created their own society. They are a mini nation within a nation.

            Other Whites can do the same thing.

      • Nathanwartooth

        The Amish are way more successful than you think.

        They lease huge expensive machines to do logging. In Ohio they are all over the place. They work for long hours and only employ their own. Except to drive, which they hire people to do.

        There is massive amounts of money in cutting down forests. They only cut the biggest trees so that the forest will regrow, plus the biggest get you the most money.

        For one job they were making railway ties for the railroad.

        There was actually a case not too long ago of an accountant stealing millions from the Amish.

        • Morris LeChat

          the Amish DOUBLE their numbers every twenty years. If ALL white people did that, the problem would be solved.

          • Nathanwartooth

            No, then we would look like China very quickly.

            The optimal rate is replacement.

          • HJ11

            Wrong. We should not limit ourselves to the optimal rate, We need to teem so that we replace other humans on this planet. We need to turn the tables and become the masses walking across borders and taking over nations by the sheer numbers of our people.

            And, when we fill this planet with our kind, well…space travel to other planets is getting closer and Mars is looking better and better.

          • Nathanwartooth

            Other countries have borders.

          • HJ11

            No problem. When we teem, we’ll cross those borders and if those there don’t like it, tough. And, this is the attitude we have when we teem. We look out for ourselves first and foremost and we don’t go wimping out when some non-Whites tell us they don’t like what we’ve said or what we’re doing.

            Right now, the White race looks as though it just wants to die off. We need a rebirth and it all starts with each one of us individually. I’m not waiting for “Whites to wake up,” as we so often hear some of our people say. I am awake, and if I have to breed a new tribe of forceful Whites from my own body, to replace the weak seed Whites, so be it. It all starts with one.

    • The illegals also do not have SSNs which can be used to attach one’s wages. Lots of black people just don’t care either way.

      • Morris LeChat

        anyone who is not paid under the table has FICA taken out of their check, no way around that.

    • Romulus

      I read that book periodically to keep my knowledge fresh.
      It encompasses the social macroperspective in superb detail. You might also enjoy. Carelton Coons “The races of Europe” ” Manthropology by Peter macallister; “They were white,they were slaves” (can’t remember the author); “Defensive racism” by Edgar j. Steele; ” The real middle earth” by Brian Bates. The internet is an excellent resource but I have a love affair with the printed word. I enjoy building a library worthy of scholars.

      • Talltrees

        To think “The Dispossessed Majority” was published in 1972, 41 years ago, and we are still dealing with the same issues that have progressed to the point of no return. Robertson certainly hit the nail on the head with great precision.

        “Race and Reason” by Carleton Putnam is also another good book.

        • Romulus

          Thank you for the suggestion. I’ve seen the title but haven’t read it yet.

  • Kalel Jorelson

    Is it likely or possible that the primary factor in the decline of the white birthrate is the consistent rise in not only the cultural customs but even the laws relating to sex and marriage? In the 19th century, it was very common for teenage girls to marry. It is now almost unheard of. For better or for worse, evolution gave women their greatest years of fertility and reproductive health for about the first fifteen years after menarche: 14-29.

    The first four of those years are all but foreclosed to marriage. We wonder why “moral standards” have dropped so precipitously in the 20th century and now. I think it is largely because of the proscription against marriage. Girls/women in their teens still have the urge to reproduce, as do boys, but society castigates them for “getting married too young” and so they end up “doing what comes naturally” without social sanction or the (long traditional) social rewards.

    Older men who could provide for women are now penalized criminally for falling in love with teenagers (witness the case of Jeremy Forrest and Megan Stammers in England, all over the news last September and on-trial now). In the 19th century (and at all times before) there would have been nothing abnormal about a 30 year old man falling in love with a 15 year old girl—they would have gotten married and made a family. But now such things are utterly and absolutely taboo…..

    Cultural ideology determines the infrastructure…. contrary to Marxist doctrine…

    • Morris LeChat

      yeah,right, sure buddy, I don’t know what you mean by “older males and younger females” but I don’t think that 50 year old males and 14 year old females was ever common nor accepted . My guess is that a ten year gap was probably the limit.

      • Kalel Jorelson

        I gave the example I was thinking of, Megan Stammers and Jeremy Forrest in England: 15 and 30. 10-15 years is now criminal “child abduction” if the girl is underage….statutory rape. Very unpleasant stuff and counterproductive. And larger age gaps, if not normal, were considered acceptable. Ten years of age difference still happens today, I was just talking about society’s disenfranchisement of teenagers, who are the most reproductively “fit” from the reproductive game all together—except now for tons of out-of-wedlock births in certain subgroups of our population, which are for the most part non-white.

        I think you pick a very radical example because 50 to 15 is a “lifetime” age difference and probably rarely happens. But when it does, should it be a crime? Absent some notion of coercion, kidnapping, or white slavery?

        • Morris LeChat

          To answer your question, it is a crime as it is statutory rape. It should remain a crime on that ground. I am not at all comfortable with the suggestion that 14 year olds should be “legal game” for older men. I do not think that to raise white birth rates we need to lower the age of consent to 14, not at all. The birth rates were much higher in decades past with the present age of consent. That therefore is not the cause of the problem, case closed.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            Ages of consent did not even exist in the 19th century, or at least not until the late 19th century. And ever since the late 19th century white european birth rates have been declining more or less steadily with the one post-WWII “baby boom” exception in U.S.. Study your Demographic History, Man! Case closed.

          • IstvanIN

            9 year old wives, I would imagine, were uncommon even then. Treading close to Muslism territory.

          • Kalel Jorelson

            I don’t get why anyone, even on the Frontier of the world in the 17th Century, would marry a pre-pubescent girl, except, I guess, to “hold her in reserve” to prevent someone else from getting her, when she comes of age.

            I would rather earnestly hope that a man who married a 9 year old girl to “keep her off the market, out of circulation” would NOT have had sex with her until she passed puberty, and I’d like to think that all my English and German ancestors were at least that decent.

            But regardless, marriage UNDER the age of puberty clearly is maladaptive in that it does NOT increase reproductive fitness and, if resulting in any sort of sexual trauma or abuse, might injure the girl to the point that she would not be reproductively fit as a mother and might not be psychologically fit either. But we just don’t know.

            My point was that in the history of the White Race in Europe or America, age of consent is a reasonably new concept, at least so far as rigorous enforcement goes.

            GOD KNOWS I DO NOT SUPPORT ALLOWING NINE YEAR OLD GIRLS TO MARRY—that was certainly NOT my point of the Wikipedia quote. Although in this day and age, some 12 year old girls seem mighty sophisticated—and consider last year’s absolutely brilliant movie by Wes Anderson: MOONRISE KINGDOM, a love story of two barely pubescent Middle Schoolers in 1965 when America was still white….and consciences were clean.

          • 5n4k33y35

            Better for whites to be like Muslim than to be swept away. Mock them if you wish, but your Feminism will yield bad results for your genetic legacy unless your descendents can shake off your foolishness.

          • Morris LeChat

            the age of consent laws have not changed in the past 50 years, they have nothing to do with the current demographic trends. The age of consent laws have not gone all the way up to the late thirties, which is when many white women are putting of childbirth until. I do not see how the age of consent laws are responsible for women waiting until they are that old. Please explain THAT to me.

          • There’s another consideration. AOC laws and the average onset of puberty may not be too closely correlated, either in the past or the present. Remember, while AOC laws and the marriage age minimum laws might have been lower ages than they are now, the average onset age of puberty was higher. Now it’s the other way around: AOC laws (depending on the state) and marriage age laws are now significantly higher than the average onset age of puberty.

          • Morris LeChat

            none of that is relevant if women are waiting until they are 35 to 40

          • Kalel Jorelson

            It’s not responsible for women waiting until their late 30s or 40s EXCEPT in the sense that if women were socially encouraged to have their children YOUNGER, they could still have careers once the kids start school, but the fact that women are encouraged to avoid marriage and childbirth when they are biologically most fit to do these things seems obviously a major barrier or impediment to population wide reproductive fitness.

            It is ALL PART OF THE SAME PROCESS….. White women are waiting until their LEAST REPRODUCTIVELY FIT and LEAST Fertile years to have children rather than capitalizing on the bounty that God (or Natural Selection, or both) gave to young women in their teens. The social norms have gone in the opposite direction of reproductive success. Is this really so difficult an argument to comprehend?

          • Morris LeChat

            Has the age of consent been declining steadily? If not, then how do you explain it?

          • Kalel Jorelson

            How would that possibly make sense? My point is that white girls have been taken out of the pool at their most fertile and healthy reproductive age. Obviously, from what the quote says, age of consent laws were raised, and/or began to be taken seriously, basically at the same time that other social welfare laws were coming onto the books, and the result has been a factor in the decline of white fertility. Your last question suggests you’re not quite following the argument here.

            Black, South Asian, and Hispanic populations, all over the world, are still allowing or even encouraging teenage girls to procreate and this is part of the reason for their higher “Darwinian Efficiency Quotient” (i.e. their relatively higher reproductive success).

          • 5n4k33y35

            You’re exactly right. Whites are so close to drowning in multiculturalism, they cannot even think straight. You’ve got Feminist jumping down your throat for nothing.

            Kalel Jorelson: unless the queers apologize, you might as well go to Stormfront.

          • HJ11

            The real crime is keeping down the White birthrate.

          • Kalel Jorelson
          • Kalel Jorelson

            We do a lot of debating here on AmRen about whether the laws on the books are right and proper or not, whether we are addressing civil laws or criminal. It is my position, and I am not alone in this, that the age of consent laws in Britain and the USA are entirely oppressive and unjust.

            http://charleslincoln3.com/2013/05/09/british-blue-blood-barrister-barbara-hewson-stands-up-against-sexual-hypocrisy-and-sensational-media/

          • 5n4k33y35

            You have the wrong attitude. You’re blatantly espousing circular logic. It’s a crime so it’s wrong so it should remain a crime. Jarringly stupid comment.

            You’re thinking like a Jew with your radical egalitarianism, favoring Feminism above strong families.

            The real reason it cannot be legal is multiculturalism. We cannot risk the possibility of non-whites having access to our girls. But if there were such a thing as a purely white nation, it would be fine to do away with the Jews’ laws.

            We cannot have strong families because of diversity. Case closed and please try not to be such a miserable Feminist Jew.

      • IstvanIN

        A 30 year old and an 18 year old might be acceptable, but any younger seems a bit creepy, in fact even a 28 year old and an 18 year old might be creepy. But didn’t parents have a bigger say in who their daughters married over 100 years ago? Of course most 18 year old girls didn’t have much of a career choice before the 20th century, and therefore a husband who could support them was important, so a slightly older man would be more suitable. But today a 14, 15, 16, 17 year old is really too young for marriage and children. Times do change.

        • Kalel Jorelson

          What has really changed except “norms” an attitudes? My whole point is that the reproductive fitness of girls in particular has NOT changed. It is still true that, for example, giving birth before age 18 is described by many doctors as a nearly iron-clad guarantee against breast cancer. Why would that be? Because God and/or natural selection made the female of the species that way….

          • Morris LeChat

            mentally, a 14 year old is not the same today as she would have been 100 years ago. 100 years ago she would have experienced the death of at least one or perhaps several siblings, perhaps a parent as well. Today’s 14 year olds could not be trusted with a young life, they do not value life, their minds are still childlike. People had to grow up much faster in the past. That is the way things were, they responded to their environment. Today, a 26 year old is probably at the level a 16 year old was 100 years ago,

        • HJ11

          Why is the age difference creepy? In our species, nature has designed us so that males can have children up until the time they die of old age, and females stop being able to have children relatively young.

          You may ask why we’re designed this way.

          The answer is simple. Human females get all their eggs just once in their lives, when they’re fairly young. These eggs are thus cast in stone, so to speak. They don’t change. This gives stability to the species with the 23 chromosomes that are frozen in time within these eggs.

          Human males, on the other hand, produce new sperm each day. And, the sperm changes depending on things as seemingly minor as temperature changes in the weather. Why is this necessary for our survival? It is because it allows changes in the children who are born, depending on various conditons that we face as we spin through space. Human males produce most of the mutations found in humans. It was once thought that mutations were rare, but it is now known that they are common. Most aren’t even seen.

          • IstvanIN

            A man who has children at 60 or 70 may not live to see them reach maturity. A father is important. Even at age 50 a man is pushing the limits. Plus sperm quality declines with age. I think we are better served if we have children in our 20s and 30s.

          • HJ11

            Nonsense. It doesn’t matter if the father gets to see them reach maturity. The important thing is to have White children. Period.

            And, some of our best Whites throughout history had older fathers and younger mothers.

            Lastly, please cite your source for the assertion that “sperm quality declines with age.”

          • IstvanIN

            I have read it in several publications, probably Scientific American or some such similar publication, but lets be real, our abilities decline with age. To think a man’s testes function as well at 60 as they did at 20 while his heart, liver and kidney function all decline is a bit optimistic. I still believe a child is better off with a father who is both alive and vigorous.

            Sorry, I don’t keep a bibliography.

            Oh, and PS: there are execptions to every rule, and yes an older man can make a good father, but in general it isn’t ideal.

          • Morris LeChat

            a father is vitally important to the development of male children

          • HJ11

            Really? Why?

          • IstvanIN

            Are you serious? Fathers are important to the upbringing of both sexes. Men and women are different, and bring different things to the table. Mothers are more protective and fathers are more physical would be, I suppose, the biggest difference between the sexes. Plus children can learn how a good realtionship works from observing how their parents interact and how to be a good man or good woman.

          • HJ11

            We’re talking about how to increase the number of Whites, and you bring up the usual pap that we hear about raising children; propounded and then changed by this or that psychologist to sell books.

            We need more Whites. It doesn’t matter how we get them, so long as we get them. Nature will provide.

          • Bardon Kaldian

            Yes, we do, but human beings are not zombies who can be freely used to fulfill eugenic demographic 5 years plans. These times are over.

          • HJ11

            We either reproduce or we go extinct. It is a law of nature.

          • Morris LeChat

            read the book “reparative therapy”, A strong male presence is necessary for the male child to develop his own masculine self identity. Children go through stages of development and up to a certain point a child confuses their own identity with the mother. You will see this as a young child will express the emotion that the mother is feeling. If a mother is upset, the child will cry. The male child needs a male figure in order to separate from the mother and form a masculine identity. One often sees that absent fathers, through corporate responsibilities, military engagements, death, etc, often end up with homosexual or feminized sons.

          • HJ11

            What is not ideal is a low White birthrate. What is ideal is a high White birthrate–and any means that accomplishes this is good.

          • IstvanIN

            By having old men take young women away from young men? I think we would be better off supporting our young people in family formation. There is a season for everything.

          • HJ11

            It is not old men taking young women away from young men. It is nature’s competition and struggle just playing out on a different field.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Your comment makes the most sense. I read recently that the Japanese population is in a free fall decline, and the Japanese government is going to subsidize the births of native Japanese.
            This is what WE need to do if the white population is to survive, subsidize white births. We already are forced to subsidize the large numbers of births of our ethnic competitors likes blacks. This is what will need to happen because so many whites cannot afford to have children due to lack of job opportunity, heavy taxes, ruined schools, and having to live in very expensive areas to ensure the safety of white children.

          • Morris LeChat

            are we really at the point where we need to pair 50 year old men with 14 year old girls?

          • Jefferson

            I don’t think most 14 year old White girls would even want to date a 50 year old White man unless he is very wealthy or he is a very handsome 50 year old like George Clooney for example.

            Your average 50 year old White guy is neither rich nor very handsome.

          • HJ11

            “We” don’t do the pairing.

          • connorhus

            Sperm quality doesn’t decline, sperm quantity declines as the testosterone levels decrease.

          • HJ11

            Right.

          • NM156

            Fifty is pushing the limits? What’s your family history like?

      • HJ11

        Nature has put a clock inside all organisms including humans that tells them when they can bear children and when they can’t. It is a few arrogant humans (often sexually repressed religious types) who have written anti-nature laws that have substituted their human clocks for nature’s clock.

        • Kalel Jorelson

          Well, that’s actually EXACTLY my point about why banning marriage and legitimate, happy, childbearing for teenage girls is a major contributing factor to the decline in white birthrates that we’re talking about here.

          • Morris LeChat

            But it isn’t, because the rates did not decline in response to a rise in the age of consent. No connection can be made there at all. There is no data to support that. It is ridiculous to suggest that. Age of consent laws are NOT anti-nature.

          • HJ11

            Yes they are anti-nature. Again, nature has put a clock inside our bodies that tell us when we can reproduce and when we can’t reproduce. An artificial man made idea of when it is proper or improper to reproduce is, by definiton, anti-anture.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            There are pregnant Mexicans all over the Southwest, many of them look to be about 15 or possibly younger. But then they believe in quantity over quality and are only reproducing the next welfare population with no hope of advancing civilization, science or technology.

          • Bardon Kaldian
      • NM156

        Nothing wrong with 50-year-old males and 25-year-old females.

      • MBlanc46

        The last I saw, a grandson of President John Tyler (1841-45) was still alive. That’s because when Tyler was about 70 he took a very much younger second wife, who soon bore him a son, and then the son did the same thing. Those are extreme cases, but mores were considerably different in the 19th century.

        • Morris LeChat

          Well, therer are always Anna Nicole Smiths Kicking about

          • Kalel Jorelson

            She did very little to improve the Darwinian Fitness (or any other measure of fitness) of the White Race in particular or the Human Race generally. I’d say Anna Nicole Smith is symptomatic of the problem not the solution—White Degeneracy in the EXTREME!

    • MBlanc46

      Well, culture determines culture, anyway. But aside from your last sentence, what you say is pretty much spot on. Educated, so-called middle-class, white women do not want to bear children. Bearing and raising children interferes with their careers and their scintillating social lives. When they do decide to do so, in their late 20s or 30s, they frequently do not see the necessity of having a husband. Husbands are so boring and so demanding, after all.

      • Morris LeChat

        “scintillating social lives”, if they only knew what a bore they really are. They all think they are living in the show “Sex in the city”. In reality they are more like desperate evil step mothers from “Snow White” adrift in a corporate environment.

        • MBlanc46

          Yet they still consider that preferable to marriage.

  • The Final Solution

    Whites are starting to be afflicted with the same thing as the Native Americans – a collective will to die.

    • Morris LeChat

      That is what happens when your leaders sell you out for a bag of wampum.

      • gemjunior

        But isn’t it also natural to want revenge – to want to make them bear that responsibility? To want to punish them for their transgressions which are more treasonous than ever done before?

        • Morris LeChat

          oh yes, indeed, oh, yes, ineed

    • IstvanIN

      You know, it may be as simple as that.

    • HJ11

      Yes, and the collective will to die is subconscious and manifests itself in anti-life statements such as “I don’t want to bring children into this screwed up world,” and similar statements.

  • Long after the last white has died, bands of primitive savages will still teach their kids that the misery they endure is the fault of a mythical white man who once roamed the Earth.

    http://www.jewamongyou.wordpress.com

    • Morris LeChat

      no they won’t they will wonder what those tall ruins are.

  • MBlanc46

    Educated white women do not want to bear children. There’s nothing that we can do to force them to do so.

    • Morris LeChat

      if you ignore them, they will do whatever you want. The mistake most men make is they never say “no” to their wives. If this country was taken over by a white male military that changed society, these women would all be vying to bear the children of those men.

      • MBlanc46

        Try saying “no” to her and you’ll have the divorce papers served within days. “No fault” divorce undercut any power men had in marriage.

      • Ella

        Excuse me…..but I’ve dated and dumped a handful of White men who did not want any children or who had a controlling 1-child policy. It was hard on me to do this. Unless you date men the fastest way to rid of them (after multiple dates) is to say “I want 3 children one day.” They’ll rarely call now. Some (not all) White males will not step up to the job of being a father “too much work” and become a full man.

        Many nonwhite men openly want more children than Whites males ever desire. A handful of White men want material things like boats, big houses and fat bank accounts- wallet before the family scenario. Please QUIT blaming women and let’s solve these problems between both men and women. With these negative attitudes / stereo-types, you’re doomed to have any children or a healthy marriage. Are you working on a third or forth child yet?

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        This is an issue that should be settled before one gets married. If the wife, after agreeing to have children, refuses, then that is a breach of contract and she should be tossed aside forthwith.

        We whites have been forced to limit the size of our families because of unlimited nonwhite immigration and massive nonwhite welfare births and the ensuing taxation from those odious policies. Blacks and Latinos believe in quantity over quality and have no governor on their impulses or idea that other people are compelled to pay for their reckless and slovenly habits.

        This latest amnesty and the implementation of Obamacare will be the end of white America. The average family will be forced to pay $20,000 or more for health coverage or pay a punitive fine while useless nonwhites with no redeeming qualities will get these things for free.

    • Bossman

      The more educated women become the less enthusiastic they become about becoming mothers.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      It’s becoming increasingly difficult to bear white children especially when the government subsidizes unlimited nonWhite immigration and nonWhite welfare births that we are forced to pay for. We are being taxed to death and forced to move to increasingly more expensive, more secluded areas to escape DIEversity and multicultiralism that is being forced down our throats. We must pay for private schools for our white children so they aren’t beaten to death by nonWhites while school officials look the other way or say it’s a “schoolyard fight.”

      • MBlanc46

        Whatever the reasons, it is the case. Multiculturalism isn’t the sole culprit, either. Globalization, multiculturalism’s generic category, is perhaps an even greater factor in the economic decline of the European and North American working class.

  • Whirlwinder

    Whatever the cause, with demographics as they are and declining, the white race is doomed. The reverse demographics is worse than ours in Europe but demographics will not kill off the white population, Islam will. The indigenous white populatlion of America will wither and eventually die out as our stupid immigration policies invite the whole world to settle in America. Sad but true.

    • Morris LeChat

      oh god, why don’t you just jump in front of a train right now?

      • Whirlwinder

        Easy for you to say, Morris, what is your solution?

  • Morris LeChat

    The problem is, do white males have the BALLS to refuse to send their daughters to college. Then you have the fact that others will rush in to give them “loans”. Not everyone will manage to be able to do this, but if she is going to college, you probably won’t be having grandchildren anyways so hold your ground.

  • connorhus

    The time is almost here folks. If I was a minority I would be sweating with fear about now, that is if I was intelligent enough to look at the historical facts.

    The White race has never been a majority overall and almost always a minority outside of Europe.

    When ever things get “real” the outnumbered White Boys hit their stride. As I have said before no one can turn being out numbered into a tactical advantage like White Boys. When the sleeves get rolled up on White Arms cities evaporate and continents tremble.

    • Morris LeChat

      I have read accounts on the internet about how whites changed and retook the “souf” after reconstruction. IF whites are still capable of the same, then what you say is true. They retook areas that were majority black and changed that demographic.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        Sorry, I don’t know what “souf” means.

        Unfortunately, the blacks have TPTB (the powers that be) on their side and they’re more than happy to shoe horn them into Section 8 housing in our white neighborhoods or build metro lines directly from black areas in to white areas like shopping malls so blacks can assault whites in white areas. I am convinced this is being done to intimidate and terrorize the white population of the United States as part of the government’s war on the white race.
        Hopefully, we’ll be pushed too far soon and start to fight back against not only blacks but our biggest, most threatening and most dangerous enemy: the government of the United States.

  • AllSeeingEyeSpy

    White men have been dumped upon the last 60 years or so. At least we can ponder the question, “hmm, wonder why the white population keeps dropping”? as others begin to become concerned about it – if they do. No doubt there will be another smart, rude, it’s white man’s fault answer, but it could be fun to ask the question non-the-less.

  • AllSeeingEyeSpy

    white deaths more frequent than births.I believe when the tabulate white births, they only count the race of the mother.

  • KenelmDigby

    So American Whites are in *absolute* rather than just relative decline.
    – Probably the first time this has happened since the original colonies were established in the 17th century. A ‘watershed moment’ as the saying goes.
    In the exceedingly unlikely event of the USA allowing free immigration from Europe, in order to boost White numbers, you will find that there simply will not be any substantial number of Whites available from that source. So it is a real turning point.
    The next time you read some smug, self-satisfied article pontificating about ‘population decline’ in Japan or Germany, Russia or wherever, remember that the sitaution for American
    Whites is just as bad, if not worse.

  • David Ashton

    Brilliant answers by Murray.
    Spread them around, folks.

    • Romulus

      Quite right!

  • Bardon Kaldian

    Instead of whining, Whites should try to get themselves organized to counter these trends. Stop the immigration completely, dump the feminist ideology (and other PC rubbish) and ACT. Nothing is predetermined.

  • Bossman

    The article mentions “non-Hispanic whites,” If there is such a group then there must be a group called Hispanic Whites. My own feelings is that a certain kind of white man is declining in the USA which will be replaced by a new kind of white man. All the colored races want to lighten their skins so light-skinned people will always be favored above all.

    • Bardon Kaldian

      Some black journalists have written about that: http://www.blackcommentator.com/138/138_whiteness.html

      • Bossman

        What the black commentator seems to be saying is that color lines are becoming less distinct and a lot of blurring is occurring and that white people always have the option of redefining what is white.

    • Jefferson

      Bossman how did you racially identify yourself in the 2010 census ?

      • Bossman

        As a white man. Now how is that relevant to any thing that I’m saying?

        • Jefferson

          Bossman since you are a “White Hispanic”, how much Amerindian and African admixture do you have in your DNA,

  • Policies which legalize ENDLESS immigration and racial assimilation have only one outcome – the outcome we’re witnessing now.

  • Romulus

    Whites came here initially for the same reason as everyone else does. So if were to be honest, the intelligensia should be fair and accurate in its representation of history. They commited horrific acts against the settlers. No more or less than we to them. The difference being , we won. Your right to say that an apology is unwarranted. For our purposes, we should teach that history leaning in favor of a euro -centric point of view.

    • Dave4088

      There was only privation and hardship for the first white settlers. After America defeated the Indians and other white migrants arrived there were no handouts, so no, white immigrants did not come to partake in the welfare state since we didn’t have one until 1965 and that benefits primarily non-whites.

      • Romulus

        Let me rephrase. They came for religious freedom and an opportunity for a better life. Agreed?!

  • Spartacus

    The american indians had no concept of land ownership, so the white settlers couldn’t have “stolen” anything to begin with.

  • Mr Plankton

    Don’t give up. Those people are counting on things staying exactly as they are now. Most people are ignorant of the fact that our country’s present trajectory, economically and culturally is simply unsustainable. I agree that it seems that the cultural marxists have won. They’ve infiltrated themselves into almost every facet of our culture and are spewing their rubbish to our women, children and men. It’s all a lie, however, and deep down everyone knows that its a lie. Women are not physically equal to men. Black people are not just like us with darker skin. Homosexuality is not normal behavior. It’s all garbage, they know it’s garbage and that’s why they defend it so vociferously.

    When the SHTF, and it will because, and I’m quoting Mark Steyn, “If something cannot go on forever, it will end.”, cultural marxism will end almost overnight. This country will become a hell on earth and people will wake up and see the truth. So stock up on food, guns and ammo and hunker down and enjoy the end of all that is bad in america.

    • HJ11

      There will be a new dawn and a new spring for Whites. This I believe.

  • curri

    In Germany, the first victim of the current hegemonic regime, deaths have exceeded births every year since 1971:

    http://www.prb.org/Publications/PopulationBulletins/2011/world%20at%207%20billion%20part%205.aspx?p=1

    In 1964, births exceeded deaths by 486,985, the highest postwar surplus. By 1972, deaths in Germany exceeded births by 64,032, and deaths have surpassed births every year since. In 2010, the difference between births and deaths stood at -180,833. Only a positive balance of net immigration has forestalled a much more rapid population decline.

  • MarcusTrajanus

    “The USA’s largest population group—whites who are not Hispanic” A “group” that includes , Armenians, Greeks, Swedes, Germans, Turks, Italians, Frenchmen, Dutchmen, Iranians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Moroccans, etc, but excludes Spaniards (if I’m not mistaken) and any Whites whose ancestors ever passed through a Spanish American country.
    These classifications are bureaucratic fictions that say nothing about the actual numbers of European Whites left.

    • Bossman

      You’re correct about that and less than a hundred years ago such groups as Syrians and Lebanese had to petition the government to recognize them as white.

  • Ella

    If people are willing to give up their control, then, some one will be glad to control you the way they see fit. Whites need to get in on the game here.

  • All over the Western world there seems to be death wish. Today I learned that Fins are actually adopting abandoned black babies from South Africa instead of having their own. This is described as na new growth trend:

    New adoption trend: Bongani speaks Finnish and has an iPad http://praag.org/?p=5393

    • HJ11

      Ignorant Whites who believe the propaganda that all humans are fungible make the mistake of thinking that a Black is the same as a White and differs only in a paint job.

      Maybe, just maybe, those Whites who refuse to have their own children are weak seeds with faulty genetics and perhaps it is a good thing that they are eliminating themselves from our gene pool. Maybe we should give them Darwin Awards for not breeding. Well, I hope that’s the case, anyway, and that they’re not robbing us of good genes simply because they have been propagandized to join the anti-White cultists in eliminating desirable White genes.

  • Sick of it

    Land prices and material costs are also ridiculous, like everything else these days.

  • Sick of it

    And their parents are even more clueless because all of them remember when $8 could buy something.

  • Sick of it

    Feminism was one of the stated goals of the Communist International, as was the homosexual movement.

  • Sick of it

    We started out pushed into a war for survival against some tribes. Fought others for their lands. Married others due to the lack of women…our whole early history on this continent was pretty chaotic.

  • Sick of it

    And to enrich the political class. Let’s not overlook the thieves in government.

  • HJ11

    Let me suggest a slight shift in thinking that may help some of us understand what is important and what isn’t.

    Instead of looking at ourselves only as the inviduals we see in the mirror each day, I say we should see ourselves on a more foundational level as the genetic code or recipe or template that we carry within us–our genotype.

    And, with that in mind, we would see that genetic code that we carry and which is one with us (there’s no little robot inside–the genetic code and the person in the mirror are one–but it helps sometimes to just fictionalize it as a little robot) as that which must survive and expand and evolve. And, to continue, we are the means for that genetic code to survive and expand and evolve.

    Such a shift in thinking helps strip away side issues about age of parents, values, honor, not wanting to have kids if you can’t afford them, how Whites should act as opposed to other peoples, etc. and leaves us with the idea that we win when we spread our genetic code as much as possible so that our genetic code is the most numerous.

  • Dave4088

    The influx of women has led to an over supply of labor. When you have more labor seekers than job givers this will depress wages for the entire labor force.

  • HJ11

    You reproduce because your children carry your genetic material into the future.

  • HJ11

    So what if most Whites don’t awaken. You’re awake. It only takes one.

  • This is in part because whites tend to breed based on economic circumstances and a realistic projection of their capabilities to support a family. 3rd world ethnics tend to breed regardless of economic circumstances and, whether they realize it or not, engage in more “competitive breeding”.