The Hate List

J.M. Berger, Foreign Policy, March 12, 2013

The Southern Poverty Law Center released its annual “Year in Hate and Extremism” report last week, and as usual, it was terrifying. In an article for the SPLC’s Intelligence Report magazine, researchers said they had identified an “all-time high” of 1,360 antigovernment groups active during 2012 and about the same staggering number of hate groups as last year, a total of 1,007.

Many news organizations, from wire services to TV networks, covered the new figures uncritically. The SPLC looms large in most discussions of American extremism, in large part because they have little or no competition. Very few journalists cover domestic extremism on a regular basis, and those who do tend to work for publications that have an overt political slant.

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The problem is that the SPLC and the ADL are not objective purveyors of data. They’re anti-hate activists. There’s nothing wrong with that — advocating against hate is a noble idea. But as activists, their research needs to be weighed more carefully by media outlets that cover their pronouncements.

“The Year in Hate and Extremism” report classified domestic extremists in two broad categories: hate groups and antigovernment organizations. The raw numbers for antigovernment outfits were unavailable, but the data on the 1,007 hate groups cited in the report can be found online.

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The SPLC presents its hate group data by state, rather than in one unified list. When the state entries were gathered into a single spreadsheet, the total number of groups came to 1,007, as advertised. But once you get past simply counting the rows, serious questions arise.

The biggest issue raised by the hate list is when a local group should be deemed a separate entity from a national group. When you go to find the raw data online, the SPLC’s site explains that it counts counted “1,007 active hate groups in the United States in 2012,” including “organizations and their chapters.” But “The Year in Hate and Extremism” did not make the “chapter” distinction explicit. It is rarely drawn out in the organization’s frequent media appearances, nor was it mentioned in a letter from the SPLC to the Justice Department warning of the growing threat.

One of the clearest examples of how this counting methodology can be confusing concerns the American Third Position Party, or A3P, which is listed 17 times, with each of those instances counting as a separate hate group.

A3P is a national political party devoted to white nationalism. We don’t say there are 102 political parties in the United States because the Republicans and Democrats each have a national party as well as state chapters (not to mention local chapters), and there are states which have A3P listed more than once.

Similarly, the American Nazi Party is listed six times, and the Council of Conservative Citizens is listed 37 times. There are many more. When you filter the list for organizations with identical names, the list of 1,007 becomes a list of 358.

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Some of the duplicate names on the list are legitimately distinct — for instance, there are at least two major splinter groups of the Aryan Nations (although seven appear on the list). But others appear clearly problematic, like “Georgia Militia,” which is listed 14 times. One listing has a county as its location, another says “statewide,” and the remaining 12 list no location and contain no links to additional information.

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If three Klan chapters in one state are part of one specific national Klan organization, should they count as separate groups? If a skinhead gang is part of the Western Hammerskins, do you count both the local and the regional? The SPLC counts the Midland Hammerskins and the Northern Hammerskins three times each, and the Confederate Hammerskins nine times.

And what about the Jewish Defense League (counted nine times), the National Socialist Movement (55), or the Nation of Islam (105)?

The list isn’t pristine on other fronts either. The Political Cesspool is a website and podcast, the Crocker Post is a blog, and Silver Bullet Gun Oil is a business that markets offensive tchotchkes to anti-Muslim extremists. VDARE is a white nationalist website with multiple authors, but it does not on the face of it appear to be a traditional boots-on-the-ground organization, at least not according to a profile written by the SPLC.

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Radical bookstores and racist record labels also appear on the list. Are these hate groups, or hate businesses, or just businesses? {snip}

Reasonable people can debate these reasons for including or disqualifying each of these listings, but the number of entries that require such debate is staggering given the specificity of the SPLC’s reporting. We’re not talking about a difference of 5 or 10 percent in the relative counts; it’s 65 or 70 percent.

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But at the end of the day, it’s not clear how it’s a “distortion” to say “400 groups in 1,007 locations around the country” as opposed to “1,007 groups.”

These distinctions also pertain to the broad numbers on antigovernment groups provided in “The Year in Hate and Extremism” report. Most coverage of the report focused on this realm, where the SPLC reported massive growth during President Obama’s first term.

Although the data was not made available, the questions raised by the hate group list are at least as relevant for antigovernment organizations. If a statewide militia has chapters in several towns, is it more than one militia? If a Patriot movement group under one umbrella has one or two (or even five or six) people in each of 17 different states, should we count 17 groups?

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Based on my own tracking of antigovernment extremism, I’m fairly certain the movement has grown in recent years, perhaps substantially. But most of the movements I track are geographically diffuse, even though they operate under a single organizational banner. I’m skeptical that the number of distinctly separate antigovernment organizations in the United States runs anywhere close to the 1,360 reported by the SPLC.

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  • MekongDelta69

    Anything and everything the $PLC says is completely [censored]. And I’ll say it over and over again, until as many people as possible get to know that.
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6989

    • Paleoconn

      To be fair, JDL and NoI are on the list. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  • JohnEngelman

    Unless one of these so called “hate groups” practices or promotes illegal activities it is nothing more than an advocacy group. Democracy works best when the voters have access to a wide variety of facts and opinions.

    • David Ashton

      Of course.
      Do you still “love” the ADL?

      • JohnEngelman

        I do not remember saying that I do. I appreciate the Jewish Defense League, which is also listed by the SPLC as a hate group.

        • David Ashton

          Well, we’ll have to refresh our memories from the Index, but I certainly remember you expressing support for the ADL though not the SPLC.

          • JohnEngelman

            Perhaps you are right. I have thought of the JDL as an organization that only attacked those who attacked Jews. I do believe that taking the offensive against those who use violence against Jews is legitimate.

          • The__Bobster

            Of course you do.

          • Glickstein44

            Any organization that works to destroy a persons reputation or financial livelihood because their ideology or thoughts dont mesh with theirs is a terrorist organization.That includes government,the media, and professors in institutions of higher learning who are biased in their grading towards students whose ideology is incompatable with theirs.Flooding White countries with third world minorities is also an act of terrorism as is promoting miscegenation and making any laws that only apply indiscriminately to White people…should we all not be equal under the law? Hate crime laws is a terrorist act that targets White people.

          • bluffcreek1967

            No, those might be criminal organizations or they might be groups that abuse the law in order to defame the character of others, but that does NOT necessarily make them a “terrorist” organization. The problem is that you have broadened the meaning of the word “terrorist” from its normative or customary meaning. Under your interpretation, then, everyone and everything we don’t like becomes a “terrorist.” This explains why it’s important to be cautious in the terms we use because words have meaning.

            As much as I despise liberal professors who are biased in their grading, to use your example, they are not “terrorists” as the word is normally employed in common usage.

          • Glickstein44

            Under your interpretation, then, everyone and everything we don’t like becomes a “terrorist.”

            Not at all…for instance,i might not like what you say or agree with it but you have done nothing to harm me,physically or financially.

            Under my interpretation sin is a sin,whether little like a lie(although even a little lie can lead to big ramifications) or big like murder.

            Terrorism is still terroism whether little or big…That professor who was biased in grading you who gave you a c when you deserved an A may have set in motion a matter of circumstance where you apply for a job and are interviewed for the job…That biased act by the professor by giving you a C grade instead of a well deserved A grade may be the cause why you never got the job.In turn,if married with kids your family is affected by this as well.You have no means to clothe and feed your family…you become homeless…in turn because of your predictament it threatens your family very life because now you are amongst many of the blacks and third worlders who would think nothing of raping and killing your wife and children.You have lost the financial means to keep them safe and secure all because of this one biased professor despised your ideology and personally held it against you…Free speech,in common usage,only applys to minorities.Because the word terrorist is not normally employed in common usage dosent take away its meaning.A sin no matter how small is still a sin.Same with terrorism.

          • Pelagian

            Terrorism is a misused term anyway. It is often used to mean simply “people whose cause we disagree with.”. Youve got to take it back to its root word “terror” or it becomes meaningless. Genghis Khan was a terrorist, when Turks cut the breasts of Armenian women, they were terrorists, most medieval war where they killed old men, women and children and burned captured opposing soldiers at the stake … were terrorists. disproportionate acts like Hiroshima and Dresden are terrorism.
            What is usually referred to as terrorism today is usually a combination of revolution, hostage-taking, and skirmishes which because of the cause involve non-combatants.
            Btw, there can occasionally be terrorism that may be justified
            … and “non-terrorism” that is unjust.

          • JohnEngelman

            What is wrong with using violence against those who use violence against Jews? A number of posters here have bemoaned the reluctance of white Gentiles to retaliate against black hate crimes against white Gentiles. The Jewish Defense League retaliates against black hate crimes against Jews.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            What is wrong with using violence against those who use violence against Scots?

            I keep forgetting; we just kill people who do that. My bad. Nevermind.

          • PesachPatriot

            People who choose to initiate and engage in violence against scots have clearly never read a history book…it is a very poor life choice….i always liked the story about how the purple thistle became the national flower of scotland….JDL just sounds cheesy as a name for an organization…they should have take a page from monty python’s life of brian and called it the Popular Peoples Front of Judea or something like that

          • Michael_C_Scott

            There never needed to be a story about the thistle. A particularly dense sassenach might try grabbing a thistle to pull it out of the ground, but only once.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Jews support blacks. No matter what they’ll always see blacks as victims of White Europeans.

          • PesachPatriot

            Not all of us do…I only support them in the same you and everyone else on this board does….with taxes, against our will….I will admit when I was younger and lived in cold northern rural seclusion I was more sympathetic to them because of the school system(although I think the indians had it worse by a long shot) and even enjoyed a decent bit of reggae, old blues, jimi hendrix and like many young people my age some of the rap music….once I moved to a warm weather southern state and worked in their neighborhoods and saw how they behaved where they were in the majority my attitude started changing pretty quickly….the trayvon thing, the jacksonville wal mart flash mob on youtube and the vandalism of a union monument in boston were my last straw…..

            A lot of jews felt badly for blacks when we first got here but not so much anymore…..if you ask some random guy in crown heights with a beard and a black hat what he thinks about kooshis and you’ll get an earful that would probably make an alabama klansman blush. They might have been victims when they were first brought here, but not since appamatox…they’ve gotten everything they ever wanted….presidency, congressional black caucus, their own TV channel, EBT cards, free housing and cell phones, a month for their history and its still not enough.

          • Son of Abraham

            “The JDL were true terrorists.”No, they were not.

          • Son of Abraham

            You are absoutely right about the Jewish Defense League. It was formed by Rabbi Meir Kahane for the express purpose of defending Jews against physical attack. It was never a terrorist organization.
            I am proud to have been associated with the JDL for that reason..

          • LaSantaHermandad

            In a school in Philadelphia JDL members armed with baseball bats, entered the school to protect Jewish students who were being harassed by Blacks. That was one of many moves directed at Blacks attacking Jews.

          • RisingReich

            Never is a very, very long time.

          • Raydonn

            Indeed, its not based in reality……….

          • JohnEngelman

            Good for you.

          • David Ashton

            Defending anyone against unprovoked violence by anyone else is one thing.
            Violence against anyone with opinions you disapprove is another.
            Incitement to violence is a matter that should be dealt with carefully and impartially by law enforcement.

          • PesachPatriot

            I’ll give you guys my two cents on the JDL…it is as politically insignificant as the klan…I would be impressed if they had 2,000 members out of the total jewish population of the US and Canada…the average american jew doesn’t feel a need to join or become a gun owner because physical attacks against jews in this country are exceedingly rare….the last one I can think of was the murder of yankel rosenbaum in the crown heights riot twenty years ago and the last one before that was the lynching of leo frank in georgia in 1915….I believe in self defense but kahane wasn’t one of my favorite people.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Alen Berg was murdered by neo-Nutzis in his own driveway in Denver. I liked Berg and thought he was funny, even though I didn’t agree with him all the time. I watched his first TV broadcast, in which he said he had a face for radio.

          • Raydonn

            So clarify for me, you saw the ‘murder’ of Berg as a bad thing? Just curious….

          • blight14

            Not really………

          • Michael_C_Scott

            He was a human being who deserved his own life. People who found him offensive or obnoxious were free to change the channel or turn off their TVs. I annoy people as well, but I’d prefer to discuss the issue at hand than gun someone down or be gunned down myself a few feet from my own front door. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they’re wrong. Maybe we’re both wrong. I just think disliking someone’s politics or religion is an absurd reason to drive across town to kill them.

            Berg was a liberal and a lawyer, which count against him in my book. He was also an alcoholic, but these shouldn’t be shooting offenses.

          • blight14

            We’ll agree to disagree…..

          • Son of Abraham

            I don’t know where you’re from or what your life experiences are. But during the heyday of the so-called Black Power movement, physical and verbal attacks by blacks specically against Jews were not uncommon.
            I don’t care what you or anyone else thinks of Meir Kahane or the Jewish Defense League.
            Meir Kahane will always be a hero to me. I met him more than once and heard him speak several times in San Francisco and Philadelphia. He was inspiring. The JDL were the ones who were there to defend Jews.
            When black thug Muhammed Kenyatta threatened to enter a synagogue and demand “reparations” from Jews for slavery, Meir Kahane and the JDL were there to greet him with baseball bats with his just due payment.
            While all the smug, snot nosed liberals talked about debate and reconcilliation, Kahane and company showed them and the Jew-hating blacks what real Jewish intelligence is all about.
            The Jewish Defense League was not a political organization. It was formed to protect Jews from physical harm. And as such they were good thing.

          • Glickstein44

            During the 60’s the JDL was terrorizing local radio host across the nation who dared to criticize the State of Israel…all this was hushed up and suppressed by the media,much like black on White crime is.Of course,today,if a radio host dare does the same its the advertizers who tell the station owners they are dissatisfied with the content & direction the station is taking and threatens to pull advertizing dollars if certain changes arent made including the removal and firing of the offending radio host…Free speech for me but not for thee was and is their motto.The JDL was never formed to simply protect Jews from physical harm…and as i have stated,they often had quarrels amongst each other leading to bombings and the killing of their own.The JDL was never a good thing,at least as far back as i can remember and became aware of them–which was in the 60’s…and they got away with a whole lot of murdering & extortion because the media was and is basically owned by jews,or rather so-called jews…it wasnt until they started bombing mosque in the U.S. that they received some coverage by the media for their terrorist actions. If your not for free speech you dont belong here on this site.

          • PesachPatriot

            I am probably a lot younger than you are….I lived in a pretty mellow, placid rural part of upstate NY for most of my life before moving to florida to help care for an elderly relative….I read some Kahane when I was younger and found it interesting, but there was some other stuff he said that I disagree with….the US is not czarist russia, medieval yemen or post WWI Poland….the regular police do a pretty good job of maintaining law and order most of the time and I just don’t see a need for a paramilitary vigilante group in the US or Canada….maybe the UK given the amount of muslim nonsense that occurs there on a regular basis these days…

          • Son of Abraham

            You’re right that the regular police do a good job of protecting everybody. But they do not exist specifically to protect Jews. And that was the function of the JDL in a time when it was necessary..
            Meir Kahane was a very astute observer of history, however.
            He said two things which I’ve never forgotten:
            First, he said Jew-hatred is a permanent part of society. And is this not true? Just take a look at the viscious, pathological Jew-haters that regularly post on this website if you have any doubt.
            Second, he said when push comes to shove, the Jewish People have always stood alone. And is this not true, as well?

          • PesachPatriot

            Thats because in this day and age I don’t think I or my family need more specific protection than the laws that already exist against assault, rape, murder, robbery, vandalism, arson etc….kahane wasn’t the first person to establish jew-hatred as a permanent fixture of society, I also don’t think american society is very anti-jewish, at least not compared to certain parts of europe or the arab countries….the second point is correct as well but words are words….let the stormfronters, NOI and whoever else wants to rant and blow off steam by typing naughty slurs and crazy theories about the “ebil joos” online….I’m not worried until I see a mob of torches and pitchforks on my street.

          • David Ashton

            The Jewish people have always stood alone and hatred of them is permanent. Now why is that, in your opinion?

          • bluffcreek1967

            I agree! I have no problem with the JDL.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Mr. Kahane was murdered by a Muslim and not one of us.

          • Son of Abraham

            And his killer was defended by two of the worst kind of left wing, radical Jews: Alan Kunstler and Ron Kuby.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Everyone is supposed to receive a fair trial here.

          • bluffcreek1967

            Right on John, I agree!

          • Glickstein44

            Check out Wikipedia for JDL…especially the paragraph referring to Ruthless Records…unbelievable.

        • And there you have it. Our most prolific troll has come out and supported a criminal/terrorist organization. How much more morally bankrupt can you get?

          Is it any wonder many people here flag yo posts on sight?

          • Glickstein44

            Yes–and now Amren has the audacity to moderate my post (reject) before they appear.Posters are saying they are proud to be associated with the JDL and thats just fine…

          • Glickstein44

            My apology to Amren…it appears Wikipedia was the culprit…it wasn’t allowing copy & paste.

          • bluffcreek1967

            No, the JDL is NOT some sort of terrorist organization and they should never be compared to the Muslim followers of their pedophile prophet (may piss be upon him). They were trying to defend and protect their fellow Jews from hostile anti-semitism and from those who sought to bully and antagonize them! I have no problem with this at all. I admire them because of it as I would any group that seeks to protect their people from UNJUST treatment and hostility.

          • Glickstein44

            Are you kidding or just plain ignorant? Both Wikipedia & the ADL site give a good chronological event of the JDL’s misdeeds which include warring amongst themselves to being involved in money-laundering and extortion,bombings,murder and mayhem for profit..this case i have copied from Wikipedia is really eye-opening…seems like the JDL got down with the Brutha’s!

            When Ruthless records recording artist and former N.W.A. member Dr.Dre sought to work instead with Death Row Records(I am sure both used creative lyrics in their gangsta rap how to kill Whitey a 100 differant ways and denigration of jews), Ruthless record executives,Mike Klein and Jerry Heller were fearful of possible physical intimidation from Death Row entertainment executives including executive officer Suge Knight and requested security assistance from the JDL.The FBI launched a money laundering investigation,on the presumption that the JDL was extorting money from Ruthless Records and several rap artists,including Tupac Shakur and Easy-E. Heller has speculated that the FBI did not investigate these threats because of the song “F**K The Police.” Heller said,”It was nosecret that in the aftermath of the Suge Knight shakedown incident where Easy was forced to sign over Dr.Dre,Michel’le and the D.O.C,that Ruthless was protected by Israel trained/connected security forces.” The FBI documents refer to the JDL death threats and extortion scheme but do not make a direct connection between the group and the 1996 murder of Tupac Shakur.

          • Glickstein44

            BTW…not a defender of the muslim prophet or religion but compared to the Talmudics they respect Christ much more than they who revere the Talmud..Does P.I.S.S. Christ get your fancy…Talmudics teach Christ is boiling for eternity in a pot of excrement.

          • bluffcreek1967

            Neither. I won’t defend everything representatives of the JDL have done. They, like many groups who began with honorable motives to defend their people from outside antagonists, found themselves trying justify all sorts of things that were not a part of their original mission. They lost their way, in effect. My point was simply that Jews or any group of people have a right to defend themselves when they are specifically target for abuse, hostility and destruction.

          • blight14

            Why would they be a ‘target for abuse, hostility, and destruction’?

          • Son of Abraham

            After reading your post I’m reminded of that funny commercial on TV where the ditzy blond says they can’t put anything on the internet that’s not true.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            As opposed to TV or the newspapers?

      • Guest

        NOONE “loves” the ADL…..

        • David Ashton

          Apart perhaps from Old Abe, bless him.

          • Raydonn

            Perhaps ‘Son of Ali Baba’ above is a fan of the ADL…..

      • Mike Lane

        The Always Defaming League… or was it Defecating?

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Actually, it does more than that. It exists to intimidate free-thinking people.

      • The__Bobster

        And to raise mucho dinero from frightened old jews. They, of course, do the frightening.

        • Son of Abraham

          “And to raise mucho dinero from frightened old jews. They, of course, do the frightening.”
          They do?
          And your proof is where?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Go ask the $PLC yourself where their money comes from. This should be easy. They’re a 501(c) organization.

          • Son of Abraham

            You ask them.
            As I asked before: And your proof is where?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Proof of what? They are a 501(c) under the US tax code. I don’t have to “ask” them anything at all.

        • RHG

          yeah, kind of like a mob “protection” racket

      • And make money for it’s executives.

      • Paleoconn

        But mostly they’re in it for the moolah. Browbeating Whites just happens to be the easiest vocation nowadays, oh yeah and did I mention very lucrative.

    • Wow.
      I actually agree with something a known troll said. (well, at least the general meaning of it, if not the details)

      Of course he goes and ruins it just a few posts below by supporting a terrorist group solely because he agrees with their choice of targets…

  • fakeemail

    The SLPC and its fetish for outing “hate groups” is a textbook case of insane and blind projection. Now vee may perhaps to begin, yes?

    • ms_anthro

      It’s not insane. It’s a money-grubbing racket that has been immensely profitable for its key players. Cui bono?

  • Notice the photo used in the original article. I bet every one of those “Nazis” are either Federal agents or Federal informants. The whole purpose of their public activity is to be out in public in order to create the illusion for the cameras that real “Nazis” exist, so that the SPLC can have “evidence” of “Nazis” that exist to pry donations.

    There is a symbiotic relationship between the Paranoia-Industrial Complex (ADL, SPLC, et al) and Federal law enforcement. That was demonstrated in a Ph.D. thesis by a George Mason University student a number of years ago.

    • David Ashton

      The KKK was quite substantially infiltrated by the FBI in the Hoover era, and there is always the prospect of “anti-racist” officialdom using agents provocateurs.

      • Sloppo

        As I understand it, the KKK is an organization of agent provocateurs and federal informants and not so many other people.

        • Paleoconn

          Whatever they are, I can’t remember ever seeing a Klansman outside of a movie on the Old South. Oh, and Oberlin College of course. What?! That was just a girl with a blanket? OK then Old South movies only.

          • David Ashton

            The KKK was once a movement with a huge membership, including at one time I believe the future President Truman. Today as Wellington supposedly said of the rabble in his army, “They won’t frighten the enemy, but they certainly frighten me.” Apart from stories about lynching and burning, all most of us British know about them was a B-film about them featuring Ginger Rogers and David Duke posing by the Thames in the komplete klobber.

        • Katherine McChesney

          KKK members were lower class whites. A neighbor of our family in Alabama was a Baptist minister and member of the KKK. We saw many KKK in full costume in the 50’s in Alexander City and York and Selma.

        • A commenter over at Steve Sailer has coined the phrase “KKKrazy Glue” to describe that which holds the tenuous Democrat/Left-Liberal coalition together, that is, their irrational fear of white men, namely right wing white men.

    • Tim

      I looked, I saw and I smelled cop all OVER the page…Especially the two in the foreground.

  • SargeInCharge

    Why is A3P on the list for white nationalism, but the detroit City Council isn’t on the list for their black nationalism and black separatism (except when they want whitey’s money)?

    • Paleoconn

      Good point, but I’m already surprised JDL and NOI are on the list, both many times over.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Well, for one, Virginia Abernathy of A3P hates Jews. She’s even known for her anti-Jewish sentiments on the Vanderbilt campus.

      • Jason

        Oh god, not the jews! Lets all throw a tissy….. (inside, I’m crying)

  • Pelagian

    Look at the comments from Lefties in the Original Article.

    It’s clear the Left is preparing for thought-crime enforcement on a major scale … imprisonment if we’re lucky, but most likely capital punishment (because unlike burglary or robbbery, as long as a person is still “thinking” something in prison, the crime is ongoing and can only be stopped by killing the offender).

    But – surprisingly – the first victims of this will not be our beloved race-realists … but those of us who hold any of the beliefs about homosexuality that were prevalent for the c. 4000 years BEFORE ~ roughly 2008.

    Look at the comments and see for yourself.

    • The__Bobster
      • Pelagian

        That is tremendously scary. Is there any right wing consultant that can advise us on how to at least not make it “low hanging fruit” for one of our enemies to out us at our jobs? i know, I know, if you post with Disqus, Facebook, Tweet etc. just expect to be outed. The only way to protect yourself is not to post or email anything.” But thats just not realistic…

    • ms_anthro

      Let them try it. How many of them are prepared to take a bullet to bring in a writer of hatefacts? I’ll post this relevant quote yet again:

      “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
      ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      I, for one, would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. At some point we have to be prepared to fight back, and for keeps.

      • RisingReich

        I hope people remember this quote when they come to collect the guns. It will happen someday at this current trajectory.

        Best to get mentally prepared for it now.

      • Defoe

        that quote from Sozhenitsyn, which I stumbled upon decades ago, was what led me to his further writings which I have thoroughly enjoyed.

        • gemjunior

          That is an amazing quote. I’ve never read anything of his, although I’ve known about him. I’m going to get some of his stuff out of the library.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        This is why I always say it costs me absolutely nothing to fight.

  • Luca

    As usual the SPLC Liberals have taken over the dictionary. “Racist” can mean 10,000 different things but it is nothing more than a weapon to hurl at anyone who disagrees with them. If you belong to a group which advocates that illegal immigration is a bad thing, well you belong to a “Hate” group. To merely mention that a thing is right or wrong will get you a Liberal label if you are not going along with the Liberal Agenda.

    Oddly, I did not notice any of the 1000’s of minority street gangs in their list. In the eyes of the Liberals the Bloods, Crips, and MS-13 are not as bad as the Boy Scouts because the Boy Scouts are anti-gay.

    • Paleoconn

      It’s funny how Philippe Rushton’s IQ studies are automatically racist to the $PLC. (This is from their vDare page). They also bash Jared Taylor and Sam Francis for being White nationalists. They also call vDare anti-semitic.

  • DelmarJackson

    No one ever looks at the positive side of the SPLC.

    without the SPLC mentioning vDare in a media interview , I would heve never known of its existence, began reading vdare every day and learn most of what I know today about immigration . Thank you SPLC. I am willing to bet a lot of people here learned about Amren from the SPLC too.

    More importantly,. I see many immigration reduction groups like vdare or even Amren scuffling for pennies in a fight to maintain financial viability for their organizations, while reportedly the SPLC is one of the most wealthiest direct mail non profits in America with cash reserves in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I say our side needs to learn from the SPLC and do likewise in raising money, and in becoming the go to guys on immigration and race realism.

    We are about to lose our country forever, and with a few exceptions like numbersusa, most pro american organizations raise less money than a local softball team.

    The SPLC is focused like a laser on raising money. it uses its money for power and to raise more money.

    I have written vdare and other groups a half a dozen times and mentioned ways they could increase donations and viewers and never recieved any positive response.

    The SPLC is pretty evil group, but it does somethings very well. Our side needs to wake up.

  • The hosts of last week’s Political Cesspool nailed it. There simply are not enough real Klan or neo-Nazi groups left for the SPLC to report on. So they exaggerate the threat of those that do exist and libel many other right of center groups (many quite mainstream) to justify their continued existence.

  • Scott

    How dare Foreign Policy mag try to poke holes in the SPLC’s methodology. Don’t you know there’s hate out there folks? H-A-T-E! Now where’s my checkbook…

  • sbuffalonative

    I believe one way to fight this is to openly question government agencies that rely on SPLC and ADL data. We should be questioning why government departments are using the data of an unregulated private groups.

    How are they collecting data? Are they doing so by legal means? Is there anyone studying their methodology? Is their data verifiable by anyone other than the SPLC and the ADL? Can the information be considered objective it both groups use the information for fund raising?

    • Lacocoon

      Exactly. It’s incestous. The Tribe tell the Tribesmen in Goverment who to go after.

  • bigone4u

    “Nonprofit” entities always have the incentive to exaggerate the extent of the issue they focus on. The SPLC, like others, goes overboard. The vilest aspect of the SPLC garbage is that it demonizes groups with the word “hate,” when these groups do not preach hate. Without film of the lynching of innocent men, without dead bodies and exploding bombs, there is nothing to prove that the groups fingered by SPLC have broken the law. So, SPLC is just a cheap, tawdry branch of the thought police, disrespecting the First Amendment. A pox on them.

  • Hawaii is the only state without a “Hate Group

    It truely is a paradise ….

    I was actually surprised to see Nation of Islam on the list. Guessing it is because of their position on homosexuality (when not in prison).

    Love this title from their Hatewatch Blog: Famous Seattle Ceramicist Exposed as Holocaust Denier

    Then it takes a week for another update ….. that was the best they could do for a week?

    • sbuffalonative

      The NOI and others are thrown in to make them look objective. They don’t promote them as they do white groups.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Hawaii is full of native Polynesians who hate us Haoles. It is a beautiful place, but when we can afford a nice vacation someday, we’ll go to the Azores, Madeiras or Canaries.

  • Barrack Osama

    The founders of this country were a “hate group”.

  • RHG

    Was watching some TV show the other night about the KKK in Arkansas I believe and there was that SPLC race hustler Mark Potok saying he didn’t know if these people were really “racist” or if they were just making money off of selling “KKK” stuff. I started thinking, so how are they different then the SPLC who makes money off of claiming this country is filled with “hate” and “haters”?

  • Extropico

    Foreign Policy is a liberal, neocon publication. What really jumps out is the utter lack of focus on the missing black, latino or Asian racialist organizations from the $PLC listing. Notice the magazine’s comments are mostly focused from a Jewish perspective on the danger of those pesky Aryans who just need to remain subdued and be minoritized. And the commenters are passionately in favor of the $PLC,

  • LHathaway

    “The whole purpose of their public activity is to be out in public in order to create the illusion for the cameras that real “Nazis” exist, so that the SPLC can have “evidence” of “Nazis” that exist to pry donations”.

    I remember reading the story about two Nazi’s, in full World War II uniforms, being removed from an audience where they were attending in ‘support’ of rep Tom Tancredo where he was making an anti-immigration speech. It seemed like they were there, as I said it, in order to ‘support’ Tancredo and his speech. So Nazi’s can fulfill political functions as well. Apparently, real Nazi’s exist in prison, where the power’s that be seem almost eager to help them form.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      I have a Waffen SS uniform, but that was for WW-2 battle reenactment. Leaving aside the loathing some here feel for Jews, nobody in their right mind would approve of what the Third Reich did to Poles, Ukranians and Russians.

      I reenacted as Waffen SS in the 1990s because after the Cold War ended, lots of ex-military stuff hit the surplus market. My uniform was former East German, which I dyed green over the dove grey, and then put proper buttons, collar tabs and shoulder boards on it. My Stahlhelm was a surplus Franco-era Spanish army helmet one of my friends repainted for me, and attached the proper flashes. My belt and buckle “Meine Ehre HeiBt Treue” are original. I wore Bundeswehr Gemashen over my old combat boots.

      I still wear the belt and buckle.

      When I was in federal prison, I didn’t meet any Nazis. I’m the most right-wing individual anyone I know knows, and I’m 3/16 injun and married to a Japanese. It’s over. The whole Nazi Weltanschaung is dust in the wind.

      The real thing is extinct. Es gibts kein Nazis mehr.

  • ViktorNN

    This is a good article with solid reporting. It’s nice to see people taking a hard look at what the SPLC is up to.

    I have two problems with the article however:

    1) Berger is correct to point out that the SPLC are “anti-hate activists” which in a sense colors the objectivity of their reports, but he should take the next step and point out that it’s in the financial interest of the SPLC – especially its top ranking managers, administrators, and executives – to make the numbers in its reports look as big as possible. In fact, it’s the SPLC’s interest for “hate” in this country to always be on the rise – the more so the better.

    So it’s not just a matter of the SPLC perhaps botching its reports with shoddy classifying and categorizing. It’s standard operating procedure for the SPLC to always exaggerate the numbers. It’s intentional and it’s reasonable to assume that it’s ordered from the top.

    2) After taking this step, Berger should also have taken the further step of pointing out that recent events have cast the SPLC under considerable shadow.

    A thorough examination of how the SPLC investigates its targets would have revealed to Berger the SPLC’s long, pathetic history of using the worst forms of argumentation to try and demonize its targets – people who often haven’t committed any crimes, haven’t harmed anyone in fact, and who just hold unpopular beliefs.

    Guilt by association, quoting people who make unsubstantiated accusations as if it were the same as making a substantiated accusation, and calling groups hate groups when they haven’t committed any hate crimes – all these sleazy maneuvers and others are common in the SPLC’s “investigations.”

    Now, if Berger had looked into all this he would have found that the SPLC itself – by the standard of its very own way of doing things – is a hate group. The recent shooting of an FRC activist by an “anti-hate” zealot who used the SPLC’s own “hate map” would, by the SPLC’s own method of assigning guilt, make the SPLC culpable for inspiring and motivating political violence and hate.

    The SPLC does far worse than just report bogus numbers. They have almost got someone killed. There’s no reason to think that they probably won’t get many people killed if they continue on the way they are. This the real story of the SPLC that someone should be reporting on.

  • mattj458

    I hate the SPLC. Did they find that group in their report?

  • Mike Lane

    The ADL…. anti-hate? The ADL I know preaches nothing but hate and censorship.