‘She Didn’t Affirmatively Say No’

Daily Mail (London), March 12, 2013

Defense lawyers in the coming trial of two high school football players charged with raping a nearly passed-out-drunk 16-year-old girl are expected to argue on the issue of consent.

In the case that has shocked the nation, prosecutors state that the inebriated girl was taken to a number of parties by a group of drunk teenagers, supporting her to walk when she wasn’t physically capable.

The prosecution claims that the group later sexually assaulted the girl while she lay unconscious.

But attorney Walter Madison, who represents one of the accused boys, argues she was drinking voluntarily and left willingly with the group of boys.

As reported by the Cleveland Trader Madison said: ‘There’s an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices.’ ‘She didn’t affirmatively say no,’ he stated.

Walter Madison

Walter Madison

The two high school football players Ma’Lik Richmond, 16, and Trent Mays, 17, will face a judge on Wednesday.

The girl, from Weirton, West Virginia, is not expected to testify in Jefferson County juvenile court when the case begins.

Richmond’s attorney Madison said of the girl: ‘The person who is the accuser here is silent just as she was that night, and that’s because there was consent.’

Others have argued that the Jane Doe was clearly too intoxicated to consent to sex and that this was something that has been confirmed by multiple witnesses.

As reported by the Cleveland Trader, Ohio Associate Attorney General Marianne Hemmeter said at an October hearing: ‘The state doesn’t have to prove that she was flat-lined.’

‘Everybody agrees she’s puking. She’s puking on herself. People have to help her walk. She can’t talk. She’s stumbling,’ Hemmeter added.

Around Steubenville, a football-powerhouse city, some are demanding to know why at least three other teens aren’t facing charges on Wednesday too.

After the athletes’ arrest last summer, one of the many rumors that swirled around town proved all too true: Three boys, two of them members of Steubenville High’s celebrated Big Red team, saw something happening that night and didn’t try to stop it. Instead, two pulled out their cellphones and took video and a photo.

The allegations shocked and roiled the city of 18,000, but prosecutors brought no charges against the witnesses, fueling months of furious online accusations of a cover-up to protect the team—something law enforcement authorities have vehemently denied.

One blogger wrote a post was headlined: ‘Steubenville Big Red Rape Accusations: The Other Perpetrators.’

‘Anyone that they can show had firsthand knowledge and was partly in some way responsible for the event, the rape, they should be charged,’ said Jackie Hillyer, president of the Ohio chapter of the National Organization for Women.

She is among those pressing, at a minimum, for charges of failure to report a crime, which is punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a $250 fine.

{snip}

The Ohio attorney general’s office, however, informed the three witnesses in a letter last fall that while they may not have conducted themselves ‘in a responsible or appropriate manner,’ their behavior ‘did not rise to the level of criminal conduct,’ and they would not be charged.

Legal experts said it is clear prosecutors sorely need the witnesses’ testimony to make their rape case because there is little physical evidence against the defendants and the girl may have been too intoxicated to remember much.

‘This prosecutor more than anything else wants to get a conviction of the culprits and he does not want to jeopardize that single-minded goal,’ said Christo Lassiter, a University of Cincinnati criminal law professor. ‘That’s the conservative approach. Above all else, get the main culprit. If you can get the other folks along the line, fine.’

Richmond and Mays go on trial Wednesday in juvenile court in Steubenville.

They are charged with digitally penetrating the girl, first in the back seat of a moving car after a mostly underage, alcohol-fueled party Aug. 11, and then in the basement of a house.

Witnesses said the girl was so drunk she threw up at least twice and had trouble walking and speaking. She was also photographed being carried by the two young men.

Suspects

If convicted, they could be held in a juvenile jail until they turn 21. They have denied any wrongdoing.

{snip}

They were charged 10 days after the party, after a flurry of social media postings about the alleged attack led the girl and her family to go to police.

The scandal brought a barrage of accusations and insinuations, mostly online, with some townspeople supporting the defendants and others complaining that the football team has unusual sway over the city.

{snip}

Big Red football is a big deal in Steubenville. The stadium, dubbed Death Valley, sits on a hill above town, and the team is a nine-time state champion, with back-to-back titles in 2005 and 2006. Man O’ War, a red statue of a rearing stallion, shoots flames from its mouth each time a touchdown is scored.

Three students—Anthony Craig and football players Mark Cole and Evan Westlake—testified at a hearing in October, just days after receiving the letters assuring them they would not be prosecuted.

Prosecutors said at the hearing that Cole and Craig would have been charged if they hadn’t deleted the images on their cellphones.

At the same proceeding, Westlake was asked by a prosecutor why he didn’t stop the alleged attack.

‘I was stunned at what I saw,’ he said. ‘I just wanted—I wanted to get out of there and I—I—I didn’t know what to do, I mean.’

The defendants’ lawyers also raised the possibility that the witnesses did not know what they were seeing that night. Under questioning, the teen witnesses said that the girl was able to tell some of the boys the password to her smartphone and that they never heard her say ‘no’ or ‘stop.’

‘So, you don’t consider it a sexual assault?’ attorney Adam Nemann asked Cole.

‘I feel it’s not my place to make that decision on whether it was or wasn’t,’ Cole responded. ‘I can just tell you what I witnessed.’

‘And if this was a sexual assault I’m sure you would have called and told someone, right?’ Nemann said. ’I would assume, yes,’ Cole said.

{snip}

Then, in January, a YouTube video was posted featuring another student, Michael Nodianos, apparently cracking jokes about the alleged rape just hours after it occurred, while others in the background chimed in.

NOW is demanding prosecutors charge Nodianos with failure to report a crime, but Nodianos’ lawyer said the young man had no ‘firsthand knowledge of the facts.’

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  • a multiracial individual

    What’s the difference between a defense attorney and a codfish?

    One is a bottom feeding scum sucker, and the other is just a fish.

    • IstvanIN

      That is a bit unfair, sometimes people are falsely accused and a good defense attorney can be a life saver.

      • a multiracial individual

        I know, I know, it’s just a joke. I happen to work with a lot of attorneys. Many of them are nice and moral people. However, when you meet those stereotypically rotten ones, you have to laugh.

        • IstvanIN

          fair enough.

    • Sloppo

      Do you know why attorneys are usually buried 12 feet deep instead of 6? It’s because deep down they’re really nice.

    • MBlanc46

      That’s right, just lock ’em up without a trial.

      • a multiracial individual

        I’m not telling anymore jokes….

        hyperliteralism makes another appearance.

  • “She didn’t affirmatively say no”

    Uh, anything less than an affirmative “yes” is by definition an affirmative “no.”

    And as you all know, I personally like to take it one step further…but I won’t get into that business again.

    • MobyWhite

      Doesn’t matter what she said. Her White skin is implied consent when its a Diversity rape.

    • Some Guy

      A new meaning to Affirmative Action?

      • Extropico

        You joke, but there is video of blacks demanding access to a white girlfriend in South Africa as part of reparations.

        • gemjunior

          That is so disgusting. It would also cause many suicides as some women will NOT submit to the horrible experience. Can you offer a link or title to the video? Is it on youtube? I know that doesn’t mean anything since they frequently remove videos that make their little darlings look like savages.

        • America First

          Reparations??? For what?? Handing over the only first-world country on the continent to their fellow racialist brethren? For providing schools (universal education), electricity, sanitation, material abundance, hospitals (universal medical care), a system of laws and justice, possibility of longevity beyond the fourth decade, lessened infant mortality, all manner of technology, and hope for a future for yourselves and your children? All of which cannot be obtained by the general population on the rest of that woe-begotten continent , even in the 21st Century after trillions of white dollars and centuries of white training, medical care, sharing of food and agricultural techniques and know-how? What an abysmal group of people.

  • they need to ask the victim “if you were sober, would you have willingly had intercourse with these two negroes?”.

    • So CAL Snowman

      One of the guys appears to be white. Never underestimate what the State has done to our White youth and their values.

      • IstvanIN

        Yes, the one on the right is help the negro carry the girl away. How anyone could facilitate this is beyond me.

        • Anders

          It looks like he’s smiling too. Yeach, that photo gave me the shudders.

          • Kblankenship7

            He has finally won the approval of those the media and government education have taught him to seek approval from. Sorry for the bad grammar.

      • Also indicative of the opium that is football. This is part of the reason why I’ve been advocating that football (all, from NFL down to Pee-Wee) be forced to take a season long moratorium as penance, while we flush the addiction out of our system, and recognize all the criminality, debauchery and immorality we tolerate in its name.

      • whiteyyyyy

        Does’nt matter. He’s scum now,he’s an honorary negro now.

  • I grew up there; it’s a dying steeltown in the Rust Belt. The people there have nothing left but football. Richmond is black, the Mays kid is white. Both are POS, IMHO.

    • Steubenville, black.
      Weirton, white.

      Difference is Ohio welfare pays better.

  • MobyWhite

    What do you see in that picture?

    The White boys is handing over the White girl to the black N’gro God of Diversity for a good multicultural raping.

    We’ve been so demoralized that our White youth don’t think in terms of protecting White girls from rape by n’gro beasts, but of enabling rape.

    The horrid comedy Workaholics showed a scene of a smiling naked White boy holding up a smiling naked White girls arms while a huge grinning n’gro beast was giving it to her from the front.

    That’s the message today: Feel part of the Change by sacrificing ovulating White girls to bestality ceremonies with Diversity and vote Obama.

    In some cases, abortion should be a community responsibility…

    • StillModerated

      Visualize one million armed Whites going beserk on the same day. Fear those with nothing to lose!

    • Ronald

      I seem to recall when the Government began integrating “Blacks” into the public schools, the predicted outcome was that the White children would end up adopting their “culture”. How true it was.

      Ronald

      • The__Bobster

        That’s what the usual suspects wanted, so that Whites could never unite against them.

    • NoName

      Her ex-boyfriend (white) allegedly set this up as revenge for breaking up with him.

      • zimriel

        That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Whites are *usually* more protective of strangers. But where there’s a grudge involved, well.

      • Dan

        Any proof of this allegation?

        • NoName

          No, there’s no proof. That’s why I said he ‘ALLEGEDLY’ set it up. His name is Cody Saltsman, if you want to look more into it.

  • libertarian 1234

    “She Didn’t Affirmatively Say No”

    More African logic.

    • New Rise

      According to feminist logic, even if she did say yes, it would still be rape, because her brain is “impaired” and that’s not in any way her fault of course.

      • Daisy

        Uh, here’s the deal with this case: the hacktivist side claims she was lured by her female friend into a car with friends of victim’s ex-boyfriend, who victim had recently
        rejected. Once inside the car, a date rape drug was put in the drink given to her. I have seen tweets of the victim’s ex from the weeks prior that clearly reflect a rejected, vindictive male. I’ve been trying to find the specific article but this was more than a month ago and there are tons out there; again, certain tweets contained clear intent to wreak revenge.

        It wouldn’t matter anyway on the charge of rape given that even if the girl was intoxicated by her own voluntary acts/intent, that in no way shape or form somehow
        proves she consented. The overwhelming weight of the evidence in this case was that, drugged/kidnapped or not, the girl was totally out of it. Just look at the pictures and read more about it. It’s beyond clear this girl gave no consent. Misogynist logic holds that because some male can force himself on a woman through whatever means it’s somehow consensual sex anyway and of course not the man’s fault. The constitution of the US says otherwise.

        • Gunrunner1

          Misandry feminist logic defending the fact that instead of being at home she was placing herself in the hands of drunken men and animals and something happened that she did not like, but can’t remember.

          • 5n4k33y35

            Wrong. You cannot haul an unconscious girl around. She passes out, she stays where she is. You can call an ambulance, but you cannot haul her around and violate her.

          • saxonsun

            What century do you hail from? “Instead of being at home?!!! Is it possible that there are still people who think women should stay at home? Well, thanks for the laugh anyway.

          • Gunrunner1

            At 16 ? Yes. I am not even Amish or Mormon.

          • Diamond_Lil

            But the boys? They can be drunken and with animals? LOL. I do agree that 16 year-old girls should not be at an event such as this. They should be supervised by mature adults, just like the boys, though.

          • Diamond_Lil

            What happened to raising gentlemen? Our adult men are failing our young male generation.

  • guest

    If convicted, they could be held in a juvenile jail until they turn 21. They have denied any wrongdoing.

    This is why there used to be a KKK and Jim Crow. This is also why many of the KKK’s victims were white. I believe the KKK enforced rough justice as needed and wasn’t necessarily a racist group. The perpetrators in this story both deserve the same fate, I don’t care what their races are.

    • zimriel

      Right; at the time(s) the KKK were active, they had to deal with idiot rednecks too. The “Dunning School” histories make that clear.

  • New Rise

    Cry me a river. These chicks go to parties, get really drunk, get impaired judgement, screw some trash, then regret it and call it “rape.” How many people here haven’t had sex with someone who was drunk? Screwing dumb sluts you meet a parties is a way of life for my generation, thanks to feminism. If she was passed out drunk so that she wasn’t conscious that’s another thing, but how would she know if she can’t remember anything? If you have young women in your family, make the point clear to them that if they go to a party and get really drunk this might, no, this WILL happen to them. We can’t let race cloud our judgement on this. The feminists won’t stop until EVERY man has seen a jail cell.

    • The__Bobster

      How many people here haven’t had sex with someone who was drunk?
      ______

      Errrr, me?

      • 5n4k33y35

        I’ve never done anything with a woman who was incapable of walking. This chick was out cold.

    • zimriel

      Honestly? I haven’t. I’ll admit, I’ve done stuff I wasn’t proud of, sometimes when *I* was drunk; but drunk chicks turn me off, and drunk chicks who are overly forward *really* turn me off.

    • Dixieman

      huge difference between someone who has been drinking and someone who is passed out, can’t walk, throwing up, etc……huge difference. back in my day, if someone had carried a passed out girl into a party, she would’ve been put in a safe and separate room………of course, we all had female sisters, cousins, friends…….and morals…….

      • gemjunior

        This is the truth. In order to do this to a girl in that state, the man has to be a real pig. Someone is vomiting – gross. And dangerous as well; countless people have died from aspirating stomach contents. I believe it would increase the odds if there was someone thrusting on the victim’s diaphragm, for want of a less crude way to describe it. I really do get think the feminists are a force for wickedness in the last 60 years; the usual subjects really put their heads together and came up with some effective ways to destroy the family. To say nothing of the young men and women coming up to that stage. So, in my day such a girl in that state would have been put into a safe room. It was a better time then or maybe I just socialized only with very civilized white people. At any rate – this is utterly foul and our people following the lead of the negroes has caused our society to plummet to depths never imagined. I’m kind of glad my father died a year and a half ago so he didn’t live to see the more and more depraved, blackened ways around us. He used to shout out if he saw a feminine product TV commercial “I just ate dinner, Jeezisssss!!!!.” It seems there is no room anymore for plain civility.

        • zimriel

          “countless people have died from aspirating stomach contents”

          Spinal Tap have lost many fine drummers that way

        • Extropico

          I had to read up on pulmonary aspiration due to your posting.

      • Sloppo

        If a girl passes out like that, I don’t think it’s “safe” to leave her alone either. There is a strong possibility that she might need serious medical attention.

    • Daisy

      Plenty of women either consent and don’t want to admit it after. A smaller percentage probably are somewhere in between. An even smaller percent though are total victims and get drunk or incapacitated and violated or raped without giving consent.

    • Sloppo

      “How many people here haven’t had sex with someone who was drunk?” Only with my wife and never when she was drunk enough to throw up or too drunk to clearly indicate whether or not she wanted to do it. If you go to a party and do that to a girl who appears to be drunk enough to look like she has been given a date rape drug … you need to spend some time on a chain gang.

    • 5n4k33y35

      Did you not see the photo? They’re carrying her like a carcass. This is not a drunk girl. This girl was totally incapacitated. And two dudes are violating her and posting photos online? You’re probably black yourself.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I’ve never had sex with a drunk person. I agree that women need to be warned that this might happen if they go to a party and drink until they pass out, but the fact that this is likely to happen doesn’t change the fact that it’s still rape if you have sex with a woman who is unconscious.

      Look at that picture. She’s flat-out unconscious. They’re dragging her across the room. That’s not a case of dubious consent, where she said yes but was drunk when she said it. This is a clear-cut case of forcible rape.

  • frozenpie77

    Bet she’ll go out and get hammered drunk at another party, too. I just have a really difficult time feeling much sympathy for girls who put themselves in situations like this. These are the types who go out and march in those slut-walks.

    • Sloppo

      It’s true that she put herself in danger. I see that as a failure on the part of her parents … especially her father. He may have tried, but he failed to teach her what she needed to know. In cases like these I often wonder if the victim’s father’s parental rights were terminated by an arbitrary and capricious family court judge.

  • The__Bobster
    • bigone4u

      Was at a dive called The Friendly Spot years ago, when two or three Mexicans were trying to entice a drunken, incoherent, stupid 20-something white woman away from the bar to take her to their place. A group of whites, male and female, myself included, intervened, and got her into a friend’s car to get her away from the place. She promptly passed out in the car. The cholos hung around like male dogs will do when a female is in heat, but we got the woman safely away from the bar without her admirers following. Prevented a gang rape, I suspect.

    • 5n4k33y35

      I’m in agreement, this is not to be tolerated.

    • From the Star article:

      During cross-examination, Struthers pointed out the woman initially failed to tell police she used a racial slur and also, initially, did not mention marijuana use.

      She failed to tell the police she had used marijuana?

      She used a racial slur?

      “Disgusting n*gger”, negates rape?

      Are you kidding me?

      This is what the “White Privilege” wrist bands are all about ….

  • bigone4u

    HuffPost gave this story a lot of play a few months ago. The spin there was to ignore race and focus on the feminist postion, which is that this is clearly a case of rape. Parents of white females who do not wish to see their daughters used and abused must become more strict with them. The girl was not of legal age to drink or have sex, but she was doing both, apparently with impunity. White standards must rise higher than this low standard, which I associate with blacks, Hispanics, and Hollywood.

    • Daisy

      bigone, the boys’ parents who gave these animals alcohol illegally and knew they were partying at their house need to be held accountable. There’s no evidence she was ‘having sex’ and what if on some other occasion she did? You call the plays from the blame the female victim for male depravity handbook. Your post disgusts me.

      • NoName

        Calling out stupid and irresponsible behavior is not ‘blaming the victim’.

        • Daisy

          What was the ‘stupid and irresponsible’ behavior? Guys get drunk all the time and don’t have to worry about some rapist shoving it up their anus, loser, much less one who is physically stronger than they to begin with. Trying to put the responsibility for some male aggressor’s actions on a passive female makes you a coward and a pig.

          • NoName

            You’re very irrational- much like racial egalitarians. Anyone getting drunk is irresponsible. No one is blaming the ‘passive female’ for the actions of others. But the reality of the matter is that everyone has SOME responsibility for the situations and environment they end up in. You’re dreamng of an ideal world of rainbows and unicorns. You have to live and base your choices and behavior on the reality of the world that you actually live in, not based on a world that you wish exists. You can’t just go around carelessly expecting and relying on others to behave the way you want them to. There has always been and always will be degenerates who don’t respect the rights of others. We live in a society where the law will deal with them. It’s up to citizens to do the best they can to look after themselves and their families and behave wisely as to avoid becoming a victim.

          • gemjunior

            Daisy, you are without question totally right, the victim should never be blamed whether it’s an adult woman or a young,naive girl. For many years, the victims were questioned in such a way as to insinuate that they somehow ‘asked for it’, and that is exactly what the swine lawyer is doing who is defending these apes. I don’t think there is ANY question that this poor girl was completely blameless for what happened, as well as showing early signs of alcoholism (blackouts). She was gang-raped. The reality is though, young pretty white girls cannot go out at night nowadays with safety. White men are now largely under the influence of, and trying to act like blacks. The idea that they hang out with each other and are “friends” is super-cool, hey – it’s diversity! Not so in my day. Each was into their own thing. In my day the white guys hated rap and listened to The Doors and The Rolling Stones. Not anymore, the young whites gesticulate like blacks and stand like them, with their hands in a similar way, imitating posture and even speech patterns which are ebonic. So now girls are in more danger than ever from The Diversity. They are much, much less safe, and unfortunately, nobody is telling them because that would be “racist”. There is a different thing being young, naive, unaware of the threat of lurking jungle beasts vs. a slutty girl having sex with every Tom Dick and Harry who then gets raped and some man is like “HAH! SEE! I told you that would happen to you if you kept sleeping around and got a reputation!” I definitely would feel disgusted with that.

          • Gunrunner1

            Feminism assisted in this rape.

          • bigone4u

            Drunk guys in gay bars do have to worry about a rapist shoving it up their anus, as you so quaintly put it. Getting drunk in a bar is always stupid and irresponsible, no matter if you are male or female. Drunks get bashed over the head, they get rolled by b-drinkers, they get assaulted, they get targeted by muggers, they get arrested for driving home drunk, they get killed in an accident of their own making while driving home drunk. Getting drunk in a public setting always involves tempting fate or tempting an evil person to target you.

          • Angry White Woman

            This girl was not in a bar, nor was she in public. She was at a private home, at a party with other young people, presumably her schoolmates. She had every right of an expectation of safety. Being a young (16 y.o.) white girl, I would doubt she had very much experience with drinking alcohol, no tolerance built up and no idea of how much she could safely drink. Especially strong, fruity and/or sweet drinks masking the taste of the alcohol, and her small body size. She could easily have drunk enough to make her pass out or black out in a short space of time.

            Every one of those people at the party or parties she was taken to later shares in some of the blame for what happened to her, male and female alike. The actual rapists, the picture takers and those who just looked the other way are to blame. The other girls, at the very least, should have recognized that she had passed out or was on the verge of doing so, and taken her in hand, placing her somewhere safe to sleep it off, preferably in the hands of a responsible, sober adult. What ever happened to girls taking care of each other?

            WHERE WERE ALL THE ADULTS? The adults that supplied the alcohol had to be lurking nearby, or at least within phone call’s reach. Nobody, absolutely NOBODY is going to leave their house totally in the hands of a bunch of drunken teenagers. (For financial reasons, if nothing else.)

            Gang rape, and being hauled around town for further gang rape is a totally inexcusable act of totally out-of-control, savage barbarity, and if the party had been all white kids I highly doubt any of this would have happened.

            The actual rapists and the picture takers (who COULD have and SHOULD have put a stop to it) should all be prosecuted as adult sex offenders.

          • Anders

            OK, I can understand all the opposing viewpoints along with the feminist and chivalry etc. The whole incident is completely disgusting on every level I can think of, so let’s look at it this way:

            A) A young woman’s life is ruined;
            B) The disgusting behaviour of these young men is inexcusable no matter from which viewpoint you take and calls for harsh punishment;
            C) Not one of her ‘so-called peers’ came to her aid;
            D) Some ‘people’ thought it was funny and even paused to take a photo on their phone.
            What sort of adults are these creatures going to grow up to be?

          • xavier

            Idiotic comparison- most men are not interested in penetrating other men anally- regardless of the circumstances. The only pig her is you—be gone Female Chauvinist Sow!

      • bigone4u

        I would also advise a 16 year old not to stand in front of a speeding train. Would that advise also disgust you? To summarize my intent, it’s “Where were the parents?” And yes, that would be addressed to the parents of all involved.

    • gemjunior

      I agree. I wasn’t allowed out to behave like this and my daughter won’t either. My husband and I are both strict and stand no nonsense. She’ll be kept safe whether she likes it or not. It’s outrageous that the stupid idiot parents let their daughters run wild like this. They are either completely naive or don’t think it’s that much of a big deal? It’s never fair to blame the victim for being raped or blame a girl who wore a short skirt that she was “asking for it” – never. But the reality is that when girls walk around like this men DO think that a respectable girl wouldn’t be comfortable out at night tramping about the pubs in what amounts to a strip of satin. So locking up your daughters with the family and a good book is the safe alternative. Is it realistic? I don’t know, I’ve yet to learn. But the one time I allowed my daughter to walk home from school with friends I followed behind slowly in the car behind, unbeknownst to her. My white children are very very precious to me and will only contribute positively to the continuance of our race. They need to be kept safe. No matter what lengths I have to go to.

      • Daisy

        A bunch of white males in my high school physically and sexually harassed me chronically IN CLASS. I was ASSIGNED to sit next to three of them in Physics, and one would draw ridiculous ‘dirty’ pictures, while another grabbed my hand, and the one who sat in front of me would grab my calf. Another seated somewhat further away announced that he ‘wanted to ride [me] to the prom.’ The ‘artist’ then graduated upon having to get up for labs to chasing me around, putting his hands all over my torso, and picking me up in the hallway.

        I never spoke one word to any of them in my entire life, although three of them grew up in the same small town and assumed some bizarre intimacy with me based I guess on that. I was ranked in the state in NJ in swimming, a national merit scholar whatever, set the curve on the midterm exam. I was forced to go to high school by the state, although in the midst of being voted ‘most likely to succeed’ by the lot of dysfunctional losers I never attended any of my proms (one of the harassers, my grade’s heart throb, asked me to go with him at least 2-3 times).

        Deal with the fact that this is America. Soon you’ll be suggesting I should have worn my bhurka to school and that it was all my fault. I have, BTW, a witness to similar reactions I got when working at a Y; a retired Mensa member, upper middle class engineer/corporate manager, Marine Korean War veteran actually had the nerve to put on record that I got physically harassed by a number of young males WHOM I WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH while working at an entrance and checking ID’s, etc. By your logic we really should be simply taking females out of schools. Most AmRen’ers don’t realize that they really are just pale Arabs and that the America they dream of already exists, just on the other side of the world.

        • Gunrunner1

          Ridiculous argument replete with strawman arguments, extension to the absurd and a personal anecdote that shows you bias and Misandry.

          You were insulted by those nasty boys. As a man, which should my reaction be:

          1. Outrage and concern based on shared social understanding of the importance of women over men and disgust at your loss of innocence.

          2. Outrage over the fact that a supposed Womyn of Power who is in every way equal to a man can’t suck it up at a male advance. Get over it.

          Let me know…

          • Daisy

            1. Outrage and concern based on shared social understanding of the importance of women as *equal* to men.
            #2 seems to be based on the notion that physically attacking a girl is a ‘male advance.’ This scenario is not a romantic or even inherently sexual one, and the attack was extreme even for one that would have been. There is no room to consider a classroom – which I was mandated to be in – any kind of appropriate place for an ‘advance.’ I’d say asking me to the prom, which another male did, was somewhat rude given that I never spoke to the guy, but that might qualify as an ‘advance.’

            But chasing me around and putting his hands all over my torso? That’s what the leader of this band of a******* did and it is outrageous that you consider that an advance.

        • Bill

          Firstly, males in school these days are led to believe women are “liberated” sexually and “want it” just as much as males. Secondly, that belief is reinforced by the slutty behavior of most females these days in the classrooms, the halls, at parties, etc. Thirdly, males these days in the high school and college venues see blacks engaged in typical near rape of girls, especially white girls, and the girls are laughing and definitely NOT standing up against that treatment. Essentially, the feminist movement and all kinds of “social instruction” through the liberal government schools have encouraged women to act like, dress like, and drink like sluts. That there are many (a minority apparently) who do not act like that, and have respect for themselves are assumed to be of the other kind. Only through very vocal and firm refusal to accept that kind of behavior toward oneself AT THE FIRST INSTANCE of it, can the record be set straight. Too many girls and women seem to want it both ways sadly. They want to get drunk, wear revealing clothes, act the slut, but then want to be treated with respect sexually. Huh? I am an old man now, but when I look around at so many of the high school and college age girls these days, and watch their behavior, it astonishes me. Today’s normal behavior would be called nothing but slutty and trashy of the worst kind so many years ago. Girls back then would have shunned and criticized such behavior exhibited another girl back then. It’s just true. The ASSUMPTION back then by males was that girls were “good” girls. Now, sadly, the assumption among males seems to be that girls are sluts and promiscuous, with only a few being “good” girls and the peers of the “good girls” ridicule them for being such. It’s just a fact.

        • saxonsun

          All women have horror stories about men. And it’s terrifying to realize that some women think all this is normal. You cannot wake them up. But we know.

          • NoName

            There’s not a shred of ‘horror’ in Daisy’s story. She’s being way overdramatic (as are you) and acting like something that is merely annoying is something traumatic. What a joke.

          • Daisy

            There’s quite a few shreds of horror in my story, and I’m not being over dramatic. Drawing dirty pictures could qualify as simply ‘annoying,’ as might grabbing some girl’s hand when she won’t speak to you. But, being grabbed on my leg by a guy I didn’t know at all, and then chased around a back of a classroom with another one literally putting his hands all over my torso – who was significantly taller and stronger than I – with all the rest of it going on was definitely not a joke. I got annoyed tons of time in my adolescence and this experience, which went on for months, absolutely had horrifying as opposed to merely elements to it. I’d like to know how the average person, male or female, would have liked four males doing this to them. I’ll repeat I never said a word to any of them and refused to go to the prom with one, or anyone, in part because of it.

      • bigone4u

        If only all mothers of white children were so concerned as you, there would be fewer tragedies involving youths.

  • Daisy

    Everyone needs to watch the youtube video of Nadianos to confront the reality of white men in America: just google his name and watch him rhapsodize about the rape in his own words of a ‘dead girl.’

    Deal, men, of AmRen, and for that matter, women, as girls set this girl up and lied about her just as much as the males did. This is America, and this is why the feminists attack white men. It is not simply their character problems, but white America’s as well. I am utterly ashamed for my country and its people.

    • Tom_in_Miami

      I couldn’t agree more. Also, in my state a minor is not considered mature enough to give consent.

    • Gunrunner1

      Liar. Feminists attacked America long before today, when men still protected women and stood by them. They burned their bras and declared themselves independent Feminist Womyn of Power. Women are supposed to be just as strong, just as competent, remember?

    • 5n4k33y35

      I’m an incorrigible Men’s Rights Advocate, and I despise feminists, but I’m rooting for the prosecution.

      I suspect the girl was unconscious. They had no business carrying her around. A passed out girl is not up for grabs. Either call her an ambulance for alcohol poisoning, or else leave her where she is.

      If she is in danger an honest man would have to take her to somewhere public, not somewhere private. There is no excuse for preying on girls.

      Most cases like this are not well documented. There are lots of posts to social media, photographs of the perps violating her. There was no social context for these guys to carry her around while she was incapacitated. It was abduction and sexual assault.

      And this is from a guy who advocated for the defense in multiple cases of false rape accusation. I have opposed the prosecutions of Julian Assange, Ben Roethlisberger, Dominique Strauss-Khan, even Lawrence Taylor. This case is different.

      She was basically abducted and brought to a private place where she could be violated. She remembers nothing. They violated her and posted evidence online.

  • Gunrunner1

    Daisy, feminists attack men because the intention is to break apart the Western family and to use the more emotional (woman) partner against the less (man). It is a Marxist ploy.
    There is nothing in feminism that is trying to help or repair any situation. I hate rape and hope the men of this girls family make things “aright”.

    However, please remember, feminists have been hacking at Chivalry, Chasity and female Innocence for decades. Men have been sold the idea of a woman who can “take care of herself” and “who is equal in every way to a man”, she is that Womyn of Power.

    It’s all a lie. In the real world women are either loved, cherished, respected and protected under the rules of Chivalry as mothers and partners in the growth of the next generation or they are used as a commodity, like the blacks and Islamists do.

    White men are just as bad as the animal blacks? After nearly 100 years of Marxist feminism being rammed down the throats of White boys every day all day in school, YOU are surprised and disgusted!? You expected Robin Hood? He’s a dead White man taught to believe that the woman place is safe at home! You expected Sir Lancelot? How is that possible when everything Lancelot believed in is considered by feminists as evil and woman hating? You expected a Knight in shining Armor to wisk her to safety, when only a society that brings up boys to understand honor, duty, loyalty, respect and reverence to women is capable of producing such and more importantly, a woman whose gentleness, Chasity, comportment as a lady and innocence earns her the right of a man to be willing to die to defend her.

    100 years ago this NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED as no White would have allowed such to occur. At her age she would have been home learning Latin and dreaming of a husband. A black that broke into the home to rape her would have been shot and stuffed.

    This is the fruit that the Feminists have grown, White men going along with animal blacks while Jew lawyers make excuses for both.

    Enjoy your triumph.

    • IstvanIN

      The feminists have manged to purge our society of every bit of chivalry, civility, common decency and even every day good manners. Their are no ground rules, just one big free for all.

      • KittyAmerica

        When I was in high school, late 70’s, the few girls who got drunk and went to bed with a guy, would afterwards feel shame and humiliation. It would never occur to them to call it rape. The feminists didn’t stand for girls having a sense of shame so created the date rape.
        I belive this case here is a fllthy rape, I’m just adding to your comment about the feminists: the living hell they’ve created.

        • IstvanIN

          I am very pro-woman however I am also a realist. Who gets pregnant? Women. Who carries the child for nine months? Women. Who goes through labor? Women. Who gets “stuck’ with the child if the parents aren’t married? Mom. There are certain immutable differences between men and women that mean men and women will never be the same. Period. Whenever a feminist uses the argument “if men got pregnant’ I always answer with “then they would be woman”.

          • Diamond_Lil

            I agree, but why must women/girls be the only “mature,” forward-thinking ones? I see a lot of major failure in parenting boys.

        • saxonsun

          Honey, men have created this hell–feminists are just women who have woken up.

      • Diamond_Lil

        “The feminists have manged to purge our society of every bit of chivalry, civility, common decency and even every day good manners.”


        Our white men let a bunch of ugly Jewesses dictate how they will act? Take it back.

    • gemjunior

      Wow, you really said it in the best way I’ve heard. And you know what? Most women, if they truly understood as we do the reason feminism was foisted on us in the first place, would immediately wish to return to 100 years ago. That’s what I believe. You’re equal to a man? You want a career and a full time job? What’s that – you still feel the tug of nature and love a man and want children – then you have them and go back to work, paying some troll crappy money to raise your child badly. Then you’re an angry bitter shrew because you never did a good job of caring for your child, husband, home, and you get divorced. And that’s how it goes. And this is from a woman who doesn’t work. First and foremost I look after my family and make sure they are well nourished, their clothes are clean, and the children are doing well in school. I can go back to work when I’ve done my first job. I know some men want their wives to work but when you both have the same objectives you usually have the same goals and methods. Feminism is a load of garbage. The same mothers who look down on me for not working have kids doing badly in school, running wild and they are angry and exhausted from doing all the laundry cooking and cleaning ON TOP of the 40-hour work week and commute. It’s sad, they think they’re liberated and modern but wouldn’t it be better to be happy? What a crazy concept.

      • Nathanwartooth

        Freedom is slavery.

        I never thought that being a home maker could be made out to be so evil that women wouldn’t want to do that anymore. But they succeeded.

        It’s also a domino effect. The more women in the labor market the lower the wages employers have to pay. Then you end up with a married couple both working just to make ends meet.

      • FourFooted_Messiah

        Indeed.

        The “women’s lib” (I’ll call it that to distinguish it from the marxist “feminist movement” was just supposed to be about CHOICES, not about “you have to work AND raise kids etc to prove you are SuperWoman”.

        It wasn’t supposed to be about dumbing down standards just so women could pass (ie, firefighting). I’ve known some big-arse women who surely COULD be even under the old rules, though, and the idea was not to exclude these oddballs just on the basis of being female.

        It seems to me that the objection to “the woman working outside the home” as depicted on 1950s televsion was more about the man not looking like he had a crappy job. Men with money didn’t need a working wife – only poor men with crappy jobs did. Any friction generally came because well, the kids were in school, or mostly grown, and things are getting boring – so a part time job gives her some of her own spending money and keeps her busy.

        But somewhere along the way, it became imperative that we have FULL TIME jobs, because now nearly no job that doesn’t require UNIVERSITY pays enough to support one person, let alone two …. and so many “new job creations” are only part time or low-paying McJobs, rather than something someone who has a modest (high-school) education and a bit of work experience could get for a living wage.

        Combine that with mass immigration and competition for these low-paying jobs (Oh, Canadians don’t want these, can we bring in more Chinese and East Indians?), as well as the leftist propaganda from all sides (witness that above article about the white wristbands) …….

        Divide and conquer? Yeah. Make sure we all can’t stand one another, and live alone, and get addicted to foreign drugs (heroin, cocaine and stuff that comes in through the port of Chancouver unremarked by the ton, but oh, keep busting people growing their own pot, Einsteins) so that when the purge comes, there’ll be no way for us to resist.

        We shall be cut down as easily as wolves before a helicopter, as we will be every bit as helpless. They’ll make sure of it.

        • Diamond_Lil

          -Not only how the new feminists defend prostitution, but also how they are so silent on the muslim “honor” killings.

      • Kblankenship7

        But you are working and to be commended for it!

    • MBlanc46

      Feminism has nothing to do with Marxism. Women’s hostility toward men dates to at least the time when humans discovered that copulation was the cause of pregnancy. Marxism dates only to the mid-nineteenth century.

    • Mlly

      first off, no race is “animal”, okay? these boys weren’t overcome by some irrepressible sexual desire, they did a despicable thing because somewhere in their hearts there was something despicable.
      secondly, feminism isn’t about tearing men down to size or whatever, it’s about giving everyone the right to do what they can, okay? Chivalry is cool! So let’s let both genders be chivalrous! It’s not about kicking men when they hold open a door for someone, it’s about letting women know that they can hold doors open for people, too. Men can work, men can do anything, sure, but if a man wants to learn Latin and dream of a spouse, that’s actually cool, too, and it would sure be nice if he wasn’t hated for that! It’s about saying that YOU as a human being can be who YOU are without fear of hatred. Without fear of stereotypes, without fear of women or men hating you, calling you names, berating you, saying you’re less than a person because you don’t do what your gender is “supposed” to do. Who decided that I’m supposed to sit at home when I’m not HAPPY sitting at home? When I want to accomplish things? When I, and the other little girls who dreamed of being a scientist or an olympic athlete or president, can’t accomplish a thing because there’s someone telling me that I’m not worthy of protection or respect because I’m not in a plush chair in some colonial cottage learning a dead language and planning my wedding?? Excuse me for being a bit bitter! Pardon me for getting up and doing something! I’m sorry I get along with races other than my own and can conduct myself as a decent human being! No, I’m sorry, but you be responsible for your conduct. You be reverent and dutiful and respectful and chivalrous and gentle and I’ll be the same.

  • Michael Alan Prock

    The most important message here: If the male principle and natural male dominance fails to control its women in any culture, then someone else will.
    This is our most important problem.
    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    • xavier

      I have very little hope for this country. When men stop respecting each other and agreeing to lead/manage- it’s a free for all.

  • Korean guy

    It was not a sexual assault because “she didn’t affirmatively say no”

    That made my blood boil. If someone is unconscious, does that mean I can also legally murder the person because that person will not give me an affirmative “no” if I ask the person, “Can I kill you?”

    • MBlanc46

      The cases aren’t similar. One can never give consent to murder. One can give consent for sexual intercourse.

      • Korean guy

        They are different crimes yes I agree with you.

        Sexual crimes often ruin the victims’ lives… Even in South Korea and Japan some young girls suffer sexual harassment and crimes in the hands of older local native men and foreign men who came for work.

        I sometimes notice that girls in their teens suffer more sexual crimes than women over the age of 20 and I wonder why.

        In my eyes girls around the age of 25 or older look more beautiful than girls, for example, 15 years old. Yes young girls around the age of 15 indeed look beautiful but I feel no sexual attraction from them.

        Maybe women around the age of 25 or older simply learned how to avoid sexual crimes by using common sense? and being fully aware of “Where to be” and “When to be out there”

  • Zackers

    I was going to comment that Now white girls are reporting these things more, there apparently being less fear of ‘ruining a your victim of colors life’ these days. But it turns out the crime isn’t reported till 10 days later and only as a Response to some kind social pressure and not from the victim and her family themselves.

  • Zackers

    “They burned their bras and declared themselves independent Feminist Womyn of Power. Women are supposed to be just as strong, just as competent, remember”?

    In my opinion this is not correct. Feminism is about protecting women and their interests. I might add, it’s about giving More protection to the only group that has ever been protected in the first place. No doubt rape itself is condemned in our fair society – as we all condemn rape – but her Virginity is worth about 25 cents. I see no one has even mentioned this possible aspect of the crime. Her possible virginity is not worth noting because it would be something only a man would value.

    In this day and age men only have value in regards to what can be taken from their wallets to support women and Their children, or failing that, in taxing their labor to pay for the ‘welfare’ state. By the way, it’s not supposed to matter if they are biologically his children or not.

  • liar liar hairy fur on fire

    She is white. Wouldnt you know. Did white slave owners rape their passed out black slave females too since according to black excuses they are getting retribution for past sins that cannot be proven?
    With the black race rational logic always gets taken to a complete different dimension bordering on sub retardation below the IQ of an ape.

    • Sd580

      Exactly. It cannot be proven because in those days, a negro’s word meant nothing. But considering the number of mulattoes, I think the white masters did rape or consensually have sex with their female negro slaves.

  • whiteyyyyy

    Lock up that white garbage who pawned off that girl to the negroids. There’s way toomany of those whiggers around.

  • Dennis Schedrivy

    O tempora, o mores! Does this “attorney” have a daughter? I wonder what would he say if his daughter was found in a similar situation, and “did not affirmatively say no”. What an asshole!

  • PesachPatriot

    This is vile and infuriating…if someone does this to my daughter in the future I will probably be going to jail for a very long time….there is a big moral difference from buying a lady a few drinks at a pub while trying to impress her and what happened in this story….when women are taught to think of themselves as only sex objects instead of creators of life and young men are taught that all is fair in pursuit of getting some cheap thrills this is the end result. I attended a few rowdy mixed parties as a younger man but something like this would never have been tolerated….I hope both assailants enjoy being on the other end of sexual assault in the state pen.

    I think the reason for this particular assault has more to do with the fact that the kids on sports teams in america’s school systems feel like they are the top of the social hierarchy and can do whatever they want and get away with it. In many places teachers and administrators will do everything short of bank robbery to assure a winning football, baseball or basketball season. Bread and circuses seem to be coming at a higher and higher price each week.

    • Diamond_Lil

      “I think the reason for this particular assault has more to do with the fact that the kids on sports teams in america’s school systems feel like they are the top of the social hierarchy and can do whatever they want and get away with it”

      Kobe Bryant did. So did Sandusky. The evidence for your claim is supported overwhelmingly.

      • PesachPatriot

        There is no satisfaction in being right about this sort of crime. I realize these sort of things happen and have happened since the bronze age, but I don’t think I can ever accept it as a matter of course…this poor young girl is now scarred for life….I bet the star athletes get a slap on the wrist because they are still in high school and will probably be in trouble for something just like this in another 15 or 20 years. The evil action is not what it shocking….the shock is that not a single young man at this party tried to intervene and take care of the poor girl….maybe I am an old fashioned, uncool dinosaur at 34 years on this planet of excrement, but in my day(late 90’s/early aughts) when a girl had too much to drink at a party she would be given some water and allowed to sleep it off on the couch and driven home safely the next morning after a large greasy breakfast. If I was this girls father I would be posting bail for these miscreants myself and taking them to a quiet place in the woods with no witnesses.

  • xavier

    On a tangent- I’ve had to unlearn a lot of what I learned growing up as a young man. Now – it’s look out for #1 almost 100 percent of the time. I refuse to give any advantage to any modern/pushy/entitled broad under any circumstances. I am now even refusing to shake hands with them- hoping they take me for a Muslim or Orthodox Jew and leave me alone.

  • tall tree short rope problem solved

  • pcmustgo

    The girl in the picture does not look white to me but light brown, like a Latino…

    ??? What is the race of the girl?