Digging Deep in the DNA

James Gorman, New York Times, January 28, 2013

Hopi E. Hoekstra is standing in the attic of Harvard’s Museum of Comparative Zoology among horns and pelts, an elephant skin under a table here, giraffe parts over there.

She is handling lumpy pieces of something that looks like molded Styrofoam and that seems entirely out of place.

One has a long handle, like a cudgel. Another is shorter.

“It looks like a little sock,” she says, holding it up for a reporter to inspect.

The sock and cudgel do belong in the museum, however, every bit as much as the antlers and skins. They are key parts of a research program that is helping unlock one of biology’s elusive secrets—how genes control complicated behavior.

Each is a cast of a deer mouse burrow, and since each species has its own characteristic burrow, these lumpy molds embody inherited behaviors. Length, volume and shape are easily measured.

And that data, partly drawn from the field and partly from the lab, once combined with crossbreeding and advanced DNA analysis, may allow Dr. Hoekstra, an evolutionary geneticist, and her colleagues to trace the architecture of a mouse burrow right back to the genes.

Two weeks ago, in the journal Nature, Dr. Hoekstra and two colleagues—Jesse Weber, now a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Texas, Austin, and Brant Peterson, a postdoctoral researcher in Dr. Hoekstra’s lab—reported on a major step toward that goal. They identified four regions of DNA that help control burrow design: three for length and one for the presence or absence of an escape tunnel.

Their report was hailed by other scientists as an elegant and inventive piece of research. Cori Bargmann, at Rockefeller University, who studies the neurobiology and genetics of behavior in nematodes, said, “I think it’s a really exciting paper.”

“The genetics are beautiful,” Dr. Bargmann added, “But it is only the beginning.”

Now comes the hunt for the genes themselves, and perhaps even the biochemical pathways that show, step by step, how a DNA blueprint is transmitted to the scrabbling paws of a tiny mouse and translated into a hide-out from foxes, hawks and other predators.

The investigation of the genetics of behavior is a huge scientific enterprise, with great progress being made in a variety of species—roundworms, fruit flies, lab mice, sticklebacks. {snip}

Dr. Bargmann said she was impressed at Dr. Hoekstra’s success in unpacking the behavior into modules, a result that adds to the likelihood of one day finding simple genetic controls underlying the mystifying diversity of natural behavior patterns. The extraordinary variety of animal body shapes, after all, has been found to grow out of a relatively few master control genes.


Other scientists who have watched her [Dr. Hoekstra’s] career are hopeful, but aware of the pitfalls. Gene E. Robinson at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, who has used honeybees to study social behavior, praised her “exciting, pathbreaking work” and said, “It will be hard to get to the genes, but not impossible. She has established a powerful experimental system.”

Dr. Bargmann at Rockefeller said “genetics and genomics tools developed over the past five years” are making it easier to get from a region of DNA down to one of the hundreds or more genes in that region.

But she added, “The hardest thing about studying natural traits is that endgame.”


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  • Luca

    This could be interesting, they are admitting that behavior can be inherited.

    I’m sure they’ll bury the evidence when they find that intelligence and behavior is also an identifiable hereditary trait in humans.

    • Joseph

      Geez, everybody with a dog knows that behaviors are inherited but that is always denied as “selective breeding”, as if human intervention in selection somehow alters the genetic mechanism. They are willingly stupid people.

    • JohnEngelman

      It is less controversial to discover genetic predispositions to certain behavior in mice. Nevertheless, once one locates genes that influence mouse behavior it becomes politically easier to locate genes in humans that contribute to criminal behavior.

  • 48224

    I had a brother-in-law who was a worthless piece of spit. He’d lie, cheat and steal with the best of them. He produced a son with my sister before she had the good sense to divorce the brother-in-law. He disapeared and never supported his child in any way, never even met him.

    My nephew attended private and some of the very best public schools in the country.

    It gives me no pleasure to tell you that my nephew (son-of-a-deadbeat) turned out nearly exactly like this father who he had never met. I mean it is astonishing how much they look alike, act alive, lie, cheat and steal alike.

    In the arguement, “nature vs nurture” it is my opinion that nature is at least 85% of the equation.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Who knows? The PC thought militia don’t like it when researchers uncover stuff that runs counter to established liblefty canon, to which most universities ascribe. Scientists with bills to pay who are not independently wealthy need to tread lightly in this field and many choose to avoid.


      • Oil Can Harry

        First the p.c. weenies claimed race is a social construct and doesn’t exist.

        Then they said the same about gender.

        Maybe soon they’ll declare that “species don’t exist” and condemn these scientists for studying mice. After all, they’ll preach, mice are the same as dogs, cats, elephants, etc.

        • MikeofAges

          According to the French and the Chinese, species don’t exist. If it moves, they eat it. LOL

    • The__Bobster

      I remember a time when teachers were allowed to expect that smart students would have smart siblings and that dunces were descended form dunces. Most of the time, they were correct.

      • Joseph

        Sometimes, as when I was a child, the teacher had both the parent AND later, the child as a student and knew for a fact whatthehell the reason was for the similarity.

    • I saw two different news/crime stories about two different young men who had been given up for adoption as babies. They were both products of rape. Neither knew their birth fathers or mothers but both turned out to be rapist themselves.
      There is much in the genes.

      • Joseph

        There is also something different in women who are raped on more than one occasion in different events. I know someone who has done some research into this topic.

    • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

      “In the argument, ‘nature vs nurture’ it is my opinion that nature is at least 85% of the equation.”


      Actually, according to the $2.3 million Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart (MISTRA) study, heritability varies considerably for different traits. Quoting from Thomas Jackson detailed review in the Occidental Quarterly, vol 12, no. 3, Fall 2012 (not yet available online), the heritability of various traits/abilities are as follows (on a scale from 0.0 to 1.0)

      Intelligence has a heritability of 0.70 — a little higher than most estimates, which are in the 0.50 and 0.60 range. This is no doubt due to study’s concentration on adults where the genetic effects are fully expressed.

      Traits measured by the Multidimensional Personality Questionaire’s Primary Scales reveal a heritablity in the .40 to .58 range. Sense of well-being, social potency, achievement, social closeness, stress reaction, aggression, alienation, control, harm avoidance, traditionalism. positive emotionality, negative emotionality, constraint all fall is this range.

      Most of the rest of the influence on these traits is NOT from the “shared environment” (home, family), but from the “nonshared environment ” which is the environment created by a person for himself with peer groups, teachers, extracurriculars, etc.

  • David Ashton

    The differences between birds’ nests are illuminating.
    So is the architecture of houses in different parts of the world, though climate and accessibility to materials obviously play a major role.
    So also the different language forms and literary scripts.
    Ebionics, Yiddish, Pigeon English, &c.
    What about those identical twin brothers, separated in Germany (Nazi upbringing) and the USA (Jewish upbringing), who turned out to have identical habits and manners when eventually reunited?
    Do cultures create peoples, or more likely vice-versa?

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    And now for a detailed look at the role heredity plays in human behavior
    The Definitive Account of the Minnesota Twin Study
    by Thomas Jackson, Amren, July 12, 2012


    The piece is an in-depth look at similarities in personality, intelligence, etc. of monozygotic (genetically-identical) twins reared apart.

    • Joseph

      The deniers consistently claim that the Minnesota study has been definitively “rejected by all reputable scientists” or some similar echo. There is no convincing zealots of the religion of egalitarianism.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        The twin studies are a profound threat to egalitarian zealots whose hands are on the levers of power throughout the U. S. That’s why the Minnesota Twins study had to rely heavily on the Pioneer Fund for financing. As University of Minnesota Professor Thomas Bochard, lead researcher, noted, “If not for Pioneer we would have folded long ago.”

        But as to the deniers:

        “According to Eric Turkheimer, new molecular genetic methods of heritability estimation have demonstrated that the underlying assumptions of the classic twin design of human behavioral genetics are sound, ‘putting an end to an entire misguided school of thought among traditional opponents of classical quantitative (and by association behavioral) genetics.'”*

        *from Wikipedia entry on “Heritability,” last section, “Controversies”:

        • Joseph

          The fact that the Pioneer Fund was associated alone is sufficient reason in their mind to reject any conclusions out of hand. Anyone who cites it is a bigot. Case closed, go back to your Klan Support Group Meeting.

          Strangely, the same folks seem okay with the concept of a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality -” I was born this way” so in that case, a genetic basis for behavior is rational since it is innate. What?

          • IstvanIN

            Not all abnormalities are genetic. Some are the result of developmental issues during pregnancy. Someone can be genetically normal but still not be right.

          • Daisy

            I do not see why people have such issues with gay people other than because most of the political-activist ones tend to be anti-white. Beyond that, what harm are they causing? They’re only around 3+% of the population. Science reveals they become gay in the womb.

          • Joseph

            And I fail to understand your defense of someone who hasn’t been harmed. No “issue with gay people” has been brought out. I mention homosexuality only as a glaring example of the left’s inconsistency. They utterly deny and biological reality of race and the likelihood that genes may influence behavioral patterns, especially as related to race. YET these same deniers are completely comfortable with the idea that homosexuality is innate and likely DOES have a genetic basis even though homosexuality is admittedly a behavioral pattern. This deserves to be reconciled by these disingenuous “intellectuals”.

            IstvanIN only offends the hypersensitive perhaps by using the term “abnormality”. You really have to push your “bellcurve” to claim that this is normal behavior. It is statistically unusual and though you may not view it as pathological, it is *atypical* human behavior.

            The point here is the LIBERAL HYPOCRISY, not a debate of preferred sexual behavior.

          • Daisy

            I wasn’t accusing you or IstvanIN of harming gay people or even criticizing them. You make an interesting point regarding the logical fallacy of liberals’ arbitrary stance vis a vis nature and nurture. I don’t think gayness is normal or pathological. It’s just that a lot on here do, and I don’t understand why.

          • Daisy

            View it as pathological to the majority that is.
            Is there a way to edit posts?

          • Joseph


            I don’t think it really matters here. That is for some other discussion group.

          • Joseph

            I am well aware of this. I have taken genetics, molecular biology and evolution and development in grad school. I am only repeating the inconsistent reasoning of the left-sided race deniers who will yet support the notion that homosexuality CAN have a genetic element- for which there IS evidence in addition to congenital influences. Further, “genetically normal” as you term it, is pretty gray these days with the increasing evidence of large epigenetic factors which, I suspect, will be a new temporary refuge of the racially dishonest in the near future when genetics can no longer be completely denied by people like Suzuki.

        • JohnEngelman

          Description of Guilt By Association

          Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim. This sort of “reasoning” has the following form:

          It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P.

          Therefore P is false

          It is clear that sort of “reasoning” is fallacious. For example the following is obviously a case of poor “reasoning”: “You think that 1+1=2. But, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, and Ted Bundy all believed that 1+1=2. So, you shouldn’t believe it.”


          The Pioneer Fund is often blamed of having supported the Nazis during the 1930s.

      • JohnEngelman

        Description of Bandwagon

        The Bandwagon is a fallacy in which a threat of rejection by one’s peers (or peer pressure) is substituted for evidence in an “argument.” This line of “reasoning” has the following form:

        Person P is pressured by his/her peers or threatened with rejection.

        Therefore person P’s claim X is false.

        This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because peer pressure and threat of rejection do not constitute evidence for rejecting a claim.


        When people tell me that the Minnesota study, “The Bell Curve” or something similar has been decisively rejected I point out that publicly agreeing with something like that is often a career destroying move.

        • Nathanwartooth

          “We believe the claims by NASA and (Goddard Institute for Space Studies), that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated,” write the 49 signatories in a letter to NASA administrator Charles Bolden.”


          Pretty ballsy considering that like racial differences, speaking out against ANY liberal cause is reason enough for your life to be destroyed.

          • Joseph

            Yes, but then all of the usual suspects came out and said that none of them were “Expert Climate Scientists” or some such, which may even be true. Nonetheless, somebody like Gore can claim that the earth will spiral into the sun and his claim is accepted as a gold-standard because it is based on the “consensus of all reputable climatologists”. The honest-to-gosh climate scientists who HAVE refuted (AGW) are just dismissed as “non-reputable” or “crackpots”. You know they are crackpots because they don’t support AGW. The left have the globalist collective’s guns and money to enforce their “truth” so there is no winning this argument.

        • David Ashton

          I wonder how exempt Nizkor contributors and subscribers are from their own fallacies in commenting on “Holocaust Deniers”?

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who assert Holocaust Denial make many factual assertions that are difficult to prove or disprove without considerable research.

            Rather than bother with the research one should consider that if the Nazis did not intentionally kill six million Jews – largely in gas chambers – everyone who survived a Nazi concentration camp and every soldier who liberated such a camp conspired to lie about what what was happening in the camp.

          • Daisy

            Here we go on the merry-go-round…
            According to Raul Hilbert, pre-eminent scholar on the ‘holocaust,’ the Hitlerites caused the death of 5.1 million jews. Huge numbers died from typhus, starvation, overwork, etc. Zionists were touting the six million figure well before there even was a ‘holocaust.’ Jewish men largely oversaw the administration of the gas chambers, ushering their own and other people into the chambers and dragging the bodies into ovens as european males fought all over the planet to save their own kind. WWII murdered as many as 70 million ‘holocaust’ victims of various ethnicities. Jewish Holocaust Industrialists make many factual assertions that are difficult to prove after considerable research.

          • David Ashton

            I wasn’t debating the facticity of the Holocaust (and don’t particularly wish to do so here) but only mentioning the way in which Nizkor people themselves break their own rules when commenting personally on various “denialists”/ “revisionists”. “We are all guilty” of “association” and vague “definition”.

            However, for the record I have actually just finished reading the massive Oxford Handbook of Holocaust Studies and already have on my shelves over 20 other scholarly books broadly consistent with Hilberg’s position, plus an equal number of camp survivor memoirs and “denialist” studies; author names on request. My interest arose from several years researching Soviet crimes on which I once wrote two monographs, and from seeking comparisons with other 20th century mass-murders and political imprisonment.

          • Daisy

            I was just putting my time in at Theater of the Absurd, although I’ll say I’ve never heard of the Nizkor people. Have you ever studied the Katyn massacres? A famous polish director made a movie by the same name (subtitled) that was excellent; Soviet crimes and mass-murders abound.

          • David Ashton

            Yes, I have studied the Katyn massacre along with other communist mass-murders. I wrote a monograph on this subject. I still keep abreast of the on-going research into Soviet and Nazi camps. Nizkor is a “Holocaust” site.

        • David Ashton

          Watch out for a Reductio ad Hitlerum.
          Twin studies were Dr Mengele’s main interest in Auschwitz.

      • I saw a lecture on c-span discussing the M twin study. The speaker dissected each point but in the end conceded that, by his estimated, IQ was likely 50% hereditary.
        He couldn’t completely undermine the research as it was well done and too conclusive, so he opted to try to weaken the claims.

  • a multiracial individual

    I think most professors in the biological sciences are true believers. Think about it, wouldn’t more tenured professors be willing to speak candidly on these issues (biology of human behavior).

    • Luca

      Most professors are liberal. They spend an incredible amount of time conjuring up illogical excuses to empirical evidence that will pass as science to the largely indoctrinated student body. “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

      • JohnEngelman

        Some liberal professors go so far as to say that the purpose of the social sciences is to fight what they consider to be injustice.

        • David Ashton

          This results from the Cultural Marxist takeover of “social studies” – there is abundant literature to prove this from the people responsible, never mind their critics from Buchanan to Bawer. “Race, gender, class”.

    • Joseph

      They are personally fascinated by such things but would publicly have to deny ANY extrapolation to human behavior in the absence of what would have to be air-tight, obvious and irrefutable data.

      Such data would be very hard to come by in real life because any Institutional Review Board worth their pay would be clever enough to anticipate where the results of any such proposed study might potentially lead and deny institutional sanction of any research headed in that direction. They are finished before they start.

      The message was very clearly elucidated to all potential researchers
      when Watson was essentially fired from Cold Springs Harbor after making
      an off-the-cuff comment about race and behavior.

      • Nathanwartooth

        J.P. Rushton decided that he had enough evidence and challenged anyone to a debate. The only person who showed up was Dr. Suzuki. But it was only to hurl ad hominem attacks at him and tell him that psychology is a bunch of crap.

        Fun debate if you want to see how pathetic Dr. Suzuki is at logical scientific debating.


        • Joseph

          Suzuki is invariably frustrating to watch -like “I Love Lucy”. You know where the schtick is going and then, sure enough, except he’s not even a little bit funny. As a biologist I really would expect more from him since he should not have to resort to the classical “racism” and “human tapestry” bs.

  • bigone4u

    I leave many comments on a popular left liberal website. When I bring up any issue related to racial differences I am immediately called down by an aggressive lefty as a bigot or racist. The more intelligent ones offer some explanation, but usually the line of response is “too much Fox News” or “get back on your meds.” It’s only been recently that I’ve learned how to respond back effectively.
    Liberal leftists have succeeded in creating multiple media outlets devoted to the “bandwagon effect.” They flood comment boards, making folks who are a bit shaky in knowing what they believe think that everyone who is conservative, libertarian, common sensical, pro-2nd amendment, etc. is a rube, racist, bigot, moron, redneck, etc and that all decent people think just like libs. Libs are angry and nasty. Real Nazis.

    • Joseph

      “It’s only been recently that I’ve learned how to respond back effectively.”

      What then is your formula? These people are intractable in my experience. Whenever they invoke the term “common-sense” in an argument it
      universally means they have no data to support their assertion and you
      are going nowhere. They always resort to name-calling when pressed.

      • bigone4u

        I think I learned the technique here. Whatever they say that I am a bigot, racist, etc., I just respond with “By insinuating (claiming) I am a racist (bigot), you have just proven that you are anti-white.” They rarely know how to respond to that. To me, the important thing is to call them out for trying to suppress alternate opinions though name calling. It also helps to have some reference study or source for your opinion.

        • Joseph

          I’ll have to try the first, who knows?

          On the second account, I just find that they ALWAYS claim that anything you cite, no matter the source, has been “widely discredited” or is “flawed” and that is the end or worse, it then degenerates to some degree they claim to have, name-calling, whatever.

          • bigone4u

            If they claim your sources are flawed, ask them to provide their sources. BTW, I don’t do this to change their minds, but to let sane persons know they are being scammed on the lib/left websites and that many of the posters there are crackpot leftists.

          • Joseph

            Their source is always Wise or Suzuki who combined, know more than all other researchers in the world except perhaps, Al Gore.

            At that point, I know that my time would be better spent sitting on the pot or cleaning my computer screen than continuing the exchange.

          • Cherry Bomb

            Tell them it is merely their own OPINION that your sources are “flawed” (libs hate this tactic). Tell them they are being purposefully stupid and to quit acting childish.

            Tell them it is only their OPINION that you are a “racist” and they say that to shut you up because they don’t like what you are saying.

            Ask: “When did you first start hating Whites?”

            Keep asking and telling them and never never never be defensive, i.e., “I’m not a racist..but.” Be assertive and aggressive and keep asking: “Who taught you to hate Whites?”

            Ridicule them, call them White haters and get out. Name-calling is the last refuge of the out-argued.

        • JohnEngelman

          Bad move. You do not get anywhere by trading insult for insult.

          • Nathanwartooth

            No, you don’t get anywhere with being defensive.

            If you are on the defensive you have already lost.

            My new strategy has been acting like racial differences are like the sky is blue. It’s obvious and you are an idiot for not knowing about it.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you become offensive you have lost. Calmly state and document your facts.

          • Daisy

            JohnE you chronically state that the jews are a superior people yet you can never seem to explain why it is that they always need to be carried.

          • JohnEngelman

            What do you mean by carried? Jews dominate fields requiring superior intelligence. They are the ones who do the intellectual heavy lifting.

          • Daisy

            The jews have always needed to be carried; they taxed the european masses to live throughout their ‘sojourn’ in Europe; today the american taxpayers subsidize the israelis to such an extent that without US monies Israel would collapse. Further, my own in-depth experience of jewish students was that they cheated constantly to appear ‘smart’ all the while enacting physical violence against whites and white females who were smarter than they. The myth of the ashkinaze genius is the rape of the european white female and people overall.

          • JohnEngelman


            Israel receives about four billion dollars a year from the United States. Without American support Israel would probably never have come into existence. Fortunately, support for Israel is not a political issue in the United States. The only issue is how best can we support Israel. If you watched the third debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney that should have been clear to you.

            Nevertheless, the high average intelligence of Ashkenazi Jews is not in dispute.

            “The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution,” by University of Utah Professors Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending received a positive American Renaissance book review here:


            One chapter in this book is entitled, “Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got Their Smarts.”

            The following passages are copied from that chapter.

            “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group known. They average around 112 – 115, well above the European norm of 100.”

            page 188.

            “Ashkenazi Jews are vastly over represented in science. Their numbers among prominent scientists in science. Their numbers among prominent scientists are roughly ten times greater than you’d expect from their share of the population in the United States and Europe. Over the past two generations they have own more than a quarter of all Nobel science prizes, although they make up less than one six hundredth of the world’s population. Although they represent less than 3 percent of the U.S. population, they won 27 percent of the U.S. Nobel Prizes in science…

            Ashkenazi Jews are also overr represented in other areas, such as business (where they account for about a fifth of CEO’s) and academia (where they make up about 22 percent of Ivy League students).
            pages 189 – 190.

            Jews do not need to cheat. There is no conspiracy. Successful Jews earn their wealth and power with their superior intelligence.

          • Daisy

            And so a bunch of jews cheating off of me throughout highschool and even in college chronically was something I imagined. That and getting higher SAT’s than they did, winning writing awards over them, etc. etc. The fact that white americans are exploited and on the verge of being genocided by the Israeli Lobby is all in my head. A 6’5″ homely,jew breaking into my college dorm room and attempting to rape me was also just a paranoid hallucination, as was the notion that he had a history of attacking blonde and redheaded white females who wanted nothing to do with him at an elite prep school which could only polish but not transform his mediocre intellect.

            You’d be tolerable if it weren’t for your utter myopia and hypocrisy concerning TCP. Your progressive anti-classist tendencies clash utterly with their ethno-imperialist, if not outright genocidal, value system. I’d cite Kevin MacDonald’s work but you’ll just pretend you didn’t read it.

          • JohnEngelman


            You post what you claim to be anecdotes from your life. I can say that I have never had experiences like that with Jews.

            Rather than draw conclusions from my life however, I base my arguments on facts that are not in serious dispute.

          • Daisy

            Among the various facts that are in serious dispute: 6 million jewish people murdered during WWII. Also in dispute is how the actual *5.1* deaths occurred. I cite exact sources below for my arguments and you just issue edicts.

            A lifetime of living as a shiksa amongst various majorities/pluralities of jews correlates pretty strongly with a historical record of jewish practices and attitudes. At one time I spoke more yiddish than half of the jews I’ve met. I’ve also cited books that have documented my own observations about larger patterns of jewish behavior. Many posters have cited sources and facts pointing to conclusions about the significant extent to which anti-white racism has been orchestrated and enabled by Zionists.

          • Bill

            Ashkenazi Jews are FIRST German, secondarily Jews. Germans have always been rather smart, innovative, particularly in the sciences. Einstein was more German than believing Jew.

          • JohnEngelman

            Yiddish is a combination of Hebrew and German rather than Hebrew and English or French because during the middle ages when Jews were expelled from England and France they were welcomed in the Holy Roman Empire, which included most of what is now Germany.

            Nevertheless, “If we look at alles that are clearly from the Middle East, we see that they account for a substantial fraction of Ashkenazi ancestry today: at 50 percent.”

            – Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending, from “The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution,” Chapter 7, “Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got Their Smarts,” page 219.


          • The Traveler

            And there are about 15 times more white geniuses in the United States than Ashkenazi Jewish ones. So, IQ hardly explains their success. See Ron Unz’s “the myth of American meritocracy.” You also forgot to add that Sephardic Jews have significantly lower IQs, hence the average Israeli IQ of 94. Lastly, I see that you are up to your old trick of citing the high range for Ashkenazis. Other studies have put their IQ as low as 107 – lower for Ashkenazis in Israel.

          • JohnEngelman

            How do you define “genius?” If you mean people with IQs over 130, I doubt that there are 15 times more white Gentiles with IQs over that in the United States.

            Just because Ron Unz says that something is true does not mean that it is true. Can you document that assertion in your own words using credible assertions?

          • Daisy

            All jews are jews first if you haven’t consulted their creed, sorry, which explains why american jews consistently en masse vote against the interests of the american people whenever it comes to Israel.

          • The Traveler

            Actually, Ron Unz has documented a significant decline in Jewish achievement. He also found in his “the Myth of American Meritocracy” that Jews are overrepresented by several hundred percent at many Ivy league schools. For strictly merit-based schools such as Cal-tech, Jewish admission is not that impressive. Jews rig college admissions at prestigious schools in order to maintain their power. Good schools that do not have an equivalent JFK school of government are allowed to play it fair. Unz also documents that those scholastic tests used for admission overestimate Jewish ability compared to Asians.

          • Pafnuty

            Shouldn’t you be sucking up to an Asian about now?

          • Joseph

            Agreed. I do not want to become what I despise. I usually just end with “Whatever, I’m moving on”.

    • JohnEngelman

      Don’t post attitudes, post facts that you document. When you get flamed ask, “What did I say that is not true?”

      When I post regrettable characteristics of blacks liberal posters say, “We don’t doubt your facts, we doubt the reasons for them.”

      I respond, “If the reason for the characteristics is environmental, why are the characteristics consistent across space and time?”

      Their response is more shouts of “Racist!”

      • Nathanwartooth

        Don’t post facts, post memes!



        Liberals are not persuaded by facts, only emotions.

        I need help coming up with more. Hopefully people can help out.

        • concernedcollegekid

          You should use “College Liberal” for those, not “Uber Frosh”.

        • JohnEngelman

          Liberals are not persuaded by facts, only emotions.

          – Nathanwartooth

          That is true of anyone with strong opinions and a weak mind, including those on the right.

      • bigone4u

        You have to engage them though. That “racist” taunt means they have no logical argument to back up their views. You win.

  • brengunn

    Another crack in the Dam….

  • Joseph

    Genes are a social construct.

  • Joseph

    From the orig. TIMES article:

    “Another important factor is as high-tech as tech gets. Decades ago the
    evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins suggested that one could study
    the evolution and genetics of behavior just the way one studies the
    evolution of body shape: concentrate on what animals build — birds’s
    nests, beaver dams, termite mounds — and treat them like beak length or
    coat color. Writing before the development of enormously powerful
    technology for analyzing DNA, he regretted that his proposals were

    They are hypothetical no longer.”

    This suggests what everyone here knows: “Where there are Africans, there is Africa”.

    • Nathanwartooth

      But humans are different! We are 100% nurture and animals are 100% nature. DUH!

      • rightrightright

        The response is that if we are 100% nurture, siblings should have identical abilities and intelligence. They don’t of course.

      • Joseph

        What was I thinking?! I’ll go recite 100 Hail Rosas followed by 100 Our Rev. Kings for BHM in penance.

    • TheTruthHurts4

      You can take a Negro out of the jungle, but you can’t take the jungle out of a Negro.

  • NYB

    Immigrants from the Third World often remark that “White people are so nice”. What they really are saying is that they are astonished by our dominant behavioral traits, such as trust, charity, cooperation with strangers, and general naiveté around outsiders. The very things which place white countries at the top in standards of living.

    This is what the human species stands to lose – a unique people who genetically pass along unique qualities.

    • zWsA

      Northeast Asians exhibit similar qualities. Look how advanced Singapore is relative to to the rest of Southeast Asia. What makes Singapore so special? Small Islands are easier to manage? Nonsense. Look at Hispaniola. Singapore is 76% Chinese. A society is the product of its people, people are the product of their genes. Stated bluntly, good genes build good civilizations.

  • JohnEngelman

    “Les Miserables” by Victor Hugo was published in 1862. It is a novel about how a decent man was made a criminal by social injustice. It is great literature, but terrible criminology. Unfortunately, it has influenced the thinking of generations of liberals.

    Most criminals were born bad. There is no point in trying to rehabilitate them.

    • Daisy

      The Abusive Personality is a PhD-level sociobiological book about how genetic tendencies towards abusiveness are innate, however, environment will turn the genes in one direction or the other. There are lots of books about the interplay between genes and environment.

      • JohnEngelman

        As more is learned about the role of genetics it is gradually becoming respectable to assert that biological hereditary is more important than environment. The failure of the civil rights legislation to improve performance and behavior among blacks is becoming more evident, but it is still dangerous to draw much attention to it.

        • David Ashton

          Dangerous in what way?
          Being listed by the ADL as an enemy of the People?

    • David Ashton

      What would you do with them?

      • JohnEngelman

        I would execute many more criminals, and have the rest work at hard labor until they are in late middle age, let us say 60 years old.

        • David Ashton

          Gas-chambers and slave camps?

          • JohnEngelman

            I prefer the gallows. During the nineteenth century it was common to make convicts to work at hard labor.

          • David Ashton

            Dachau then, not Treblinka.

  • IKantunderstand

    But she added, “The hardest thing about studying natural traits is that endgame”. You are right about that, Dr. Bargmann. Good luck to you, and make sure all of you are tenured.