Sotomayor on Role Affirmative Action Played in Her Life

CBS News, January 11, 2013

In her first broadcast interview, Justice Sonia Sotomayor tells Scott Pelley how affirmative action affected her life leading up to her appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court. {snip}

Sotomayor says that the affirmative action in the U.S. today is different than when she was in school and would not discuss the affirmative action case currently before the court. “But I do know that, for me, it was a door-opener that changed the course of my life,” she tells Pelley.

Affirmative action played a role in her admittance to Princeton, she recalls, and she remembers it drawing the scrutiny of an adult at her Catholic school in the Bronx. “The first day I received in high school a card from Princeton telling me that it was possible that I was going to get in, I was stopped by the school nurse and asked why I was sent a possible and the number one and the number two in the class were not,” she recalls. “Now I didn’t know about affirmative action. But from the tone of her question I understood that she thought there was something wrong with them looking at me and not looking at those other two students,” says Sotomayor. The same is true today she says. “You can’t be a minority in this society without having someone express disapproval about affirmative action.”

{snip}

Sotomayor has been asked by Vice President Biden to administer the oath of office to him at the upcoming Presidential Inauguration.

[Editor’s Note: A video of the segment is available here.]

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  • JohnEngelman

    Affirmative action does not create opportunities. It takes them from those who are better qualified and gives them to those who are less well qualified. In the process it discriminates against whites and Orientals for positions requiring superior intelligence. It discriminates against men for positions requiring superior strength.

    There is nothing inherently valuable about diversity. It should not be achieved by lowering intellectual standards for blacks and Hispanics, and physical standards for women.

    • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

      Affirmative action is a core principle of your Democratic Party and of the president you voted for. Sotomayor’s race and position on affirmative action are reasons President Obama nominated her for a position on the nation’s supreme central planning body. Surely you knew you were voting for an anti-white racial preferences regime when you voted Democratic.

      • JohnEngelman

        Both parties have reasons for not voting for them. For me, the Republican Party has more of these reasons.

        • Sloppo

          I’ve heard speculation that it would be better for us if the system crashes sooner rather than later.

          • JohnEngelman

            If the economy crashes I want the GOP and the business community to be blamed, like they were during the Great Depression.

          • Sloppo

            I think it would probably be reasonable to blame the particular business community that owns the Federal Reserve Bank. After all … Federal Reserve Bank chairman Ben Shalom Bernanke openly acknowledged that the organization he presides over caused the last one.

            http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/59405/

            In a relatively recent audit, it was revealed that the Fed had secretly artificially created 16 trillion dollars (about $50,000 for every person in the US) and given it to their buddies in the global financial community, so Ben’s organization certainly seems to be getting us ready for another hard ride.

            http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/02/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts/

            In my opinion, it is worth noting that the holocaust we call the “Great Depression” is estimated to have killed more than 7 million Americans.

    • A multiracial individual

      At Ivy League schools an Asian male typically must have a higher SAT than a similarly qualified white male to get in.

      • Marnie

        True.

        • NM156

          And totally irrelevant!

      • JohnEngelman

        A multiracial individual,

        What you say is true. Your assertion is substantiated by the following article which appeared on this website:”Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students.”
        http://www.amren.com/news/2011/12/some_asians_col/

      • NM156

        At all other universities and colleges in the United States, a white male must have a higher SAT than a similarly qualified Asian male to get in.

        • A multiracial individual

          Is there data on other institutions that supports your position?

          • SFLBIB

            One of the statistics that schools [even public ones] guard is the graduation rate of those admitted under AA. In the case of state institutions, it should be public information.

      • rebelcelt

        So what our ancestors built this country and we should be its recipients. See how far a christian white male would get in Isreal, china, columbia.

        • Angry White Woman

          “So what, our ancestors built this country and we should be its recipients.”
          This is so true. We as white people are constantly told we have to atone for the “sins” of our forefathers, (slavery, Jim Crow, etc.) So if we are to blame for whatever our ancestors may (or may not) have done, we should also get to benefit from what they built for us.

        • A multiracial individual

          I appreciate your honestly about racial preferences superseding fairness.

  • Of course she thinks we still need AA. There are lots of wise Latinas in the pipeline who need permanent sinecures.

    Now, we realize, (if there was ever any doubt), how she’ll vote on AA cases in the Court.

    • GM (Australia)

      Are you suggesting that she may also use the services of an AA trained doctor or even an AA appointed private pilot?

      • There once was a judge named Sonie,
        Who showed to be a big phony.
        RIAA calls for help,
        She gives them thy scalp.
        For MPAA to say you can’t watch the flick,
        She gets a big kick.
        Why’s there no Napster?
        I pray thee, ask her.

        ***

        Original composition.

        As for AA doctors and pilots. Oh no. Only the best for our Sonie the Phony.

        • snickle

          You’re a poet. Did you know it?

          • I should move to San Francisco, which is full of poets in coffee houses collecting crazy checks.

  • falsedawn

    All anyone has to do is look at the poor woman and they know she’s not up to snuff…

    • The__Bobster

      I saw the whole interview this morning. The “wise Ladina” seemed mentally challenged.

      • dmxinc

        And she makes laws (I know the court isn’t supposed to) and rules over us.

        • GM (Australia)

          This must be one of the greatest perils of AA, you appoint unqualified persons of another race to have both authority and rule over us, it does not matter whether it is a policeman, a minor government official or in this case a Supreme Court Judge. It just seems so wrong and illogical.

    • Robin Hood

      She is probably more intelligent than you and 90% of the posters on this board.

      • OlderWoman

        Well, now I know why you chose your moniker. She got her success by theft. Robin Hood was a thief. Thank you for outing yourself.

      • falsedawn

        Well, I won’t talk for 90% of the posters on this board, but it’s nothing to bragg about being smarter than me.

      • snickle

        And how to you come to that conclusion, Mr. “Hood”??

        What an ignorant statement!!

  • guest

    Of course only non-whites like Sotomayor will praise affirmative action, claiming it to be a “door-opener that changed their lives”. Meanwhile, it makes things too difficult for those who are more qualified, all because ethnic diversity is seen as more important than the proper qualifications of doing the job.

    • OlderWoman

      She’s too dumb to recognize she got a hand-out. Of course, she’s gotten multiple hand-outs to be where she is now. I don’t call this an achievement. This is theft by the authorities who passed over the more qualified.

      • GM (Australia)

        1, If there is only one single white American who has missed out on either an educational opportunity or a job promotion because of this woman, it is as you say “theft”

        2, Achievement; If this woman had got into this position on her own merits I am certain she would have have been encouraged, accepted and applauded all along the way. She would also have achieved a lot of genuine personal satisfaction.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    “’But I do know that, for me, it was a door-opener that changed the course of my life,’” she tells Pelley.”
    I know that it was a door-closer for me that changed the course of my life. I can’t get into it without exploding in rage, but I can tell you that it was an eye-opener for me that my country, which I voluntarily served in the military, would treat me like a third-class citizen. The stories I could tell…most of the decisions to pass me and other white men over for positions and promotions were made by whites who already had made their careers and didn’t give a damn about anything except getting applause for screwing white, male veterans. Where is the candidate in politics who will openly decry the discrimination against whites?

    • dmxinc

      You’re in good company Tom. Of course, our “Supreme Court Justice” doesn’t seem to comprehend this fact herself.

      • Professor Farnsworth

        Oh, she does understand. She’s part of the cabal that’s working to dispossess whites. She even gloats about it.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        Neither does Roberts.

    • 48224

      Good comments. Also, Judge AA left out the part about her two classmates (who did better in school) were passed over for her place in Princeton. And we all correctly assume that the two passed over were white.
      Once again, liberal leftist think that kissing minority rear-ends somehow makes them smarter than the rest of us. Astonishing.

      • This America no longer has anything to offer us anymore. Our American Dream has been denied us and our culture is being destroyed as we breath. Only a new start in a new land here in North America can save our Dream for Liberty, Freedom, and the American way. Secession is the way.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          We tried that in 1860-1865. Nuclear annihilation followed by house-to-rubble heap genocide is the only long-term solution. The good news is that you can blame me.

      • Triarius

        They are so blindly hopeful and altruistic. It’s putting the cart before the horse. Liberals actually believe that if you give an underqualified minority admission into an ivy league law school that the end result will be a minority that has an ivy league degree to develop new their ivy league intelligence (like a piece of paper raises IQ).

        What liberals refuse to admit is that they do not want equal opportunity, affirmative action already proves that. Liberals want equal reults, but they will never get it.

        • snickle

          What “these people” really want is power. They acquire this power “by any means necessary”.

    • She was not qualified to enter law school but only got in based on Affirmative Action that denied entry to a more qualified white person. Now we have a totally unqualified person on the US Supreme Court. Now she will rule that Affirmative Action must continue for the next million years. My does that make me proud to be an American.

    • Brian

      Every single one of our enemies promotes by ability, not skin color.
      No wonder we’re fast declining as a nation.

    • pcmustgo

      Well it was also THEIR JOB to use affirmative action. They would have been fired if they didn’t use affirmative action policies. It doesn’t mean those white males enjoyed doing it to you.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    Mamacita doesn’t care that AA hurts Whites, in fact she probably feels that to be one of its beneficial aspects.

    An overlooked problem about AA comes anecdotally. I had a roommate in college who was 1/4 Indian (from Asia). He looked/acted white and was smart enough to get into college on his own merits (he went into engineering), however he got large scholarship based on the foreign origins of his grandfather. He understood that him receiving such a scholarship based on his race was a bit silly, but of course wasn’t going to turn it down. Who would? It is quite rational to accept gifts like that–even if one didn’t feel he was deserving.

    • jambi19

      Things like that might have happened in your time. In this generation we see asians actively discriminated against in higher education because they are over – represented. Ya I know I know, “race is a social construct.”

      • Professor Farnsworth

        Here’s the difference: Asians have race-based political advocacy groups that work for their group interests.

        We do not.

        Whites organizing = Fourth Reich or KKK

        Bon

        • snickle

          You are so right! As long as the current power brokers exist, Whites will NEVER be allowed to openly organize.

        • Tom_in_Miami

          Right on target.

        • jambi19

          Very true.

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    She’s the best argument against affirmative action, especially the problem of putting people in positions for which they are not qualified, which leads to frustration on all sides. Of course, she can lean on ambitious, hungry clerks to do the work.

    • JDInSanDiego

      I thought Obama was the best argument against affirmative action? Or was it Eric Holder?

  • jambi19

    One of the most over used excuses by third-worlders for failure is “institutionalized racism” prevented them from being successful. They all would be heart surgeons/architects if this “institutionalized racism” had not been rampant in the USA. It’s funny the most prevalent incidence of institutionalized racism is none other than affirmative action.

    • IstvanIN

      The fact is most of them wouldn’t be successful in their own nations. In fact their own nations aren’t successful.

  • Alex

    What a bottom-feeder. Apparently all that education (more like entitlement and victomology worship) can’t help her figure out that her passing over qualified individuals due to no merit of her own is morally disgusting. NYC Puerto Ricans are generally as bad as the blacks.

  • Observer

    The fact is that Whites (especially White upscale people) are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action.

    • jambi19

      Please elaborate.

    • GM (Australia)

      Please explain?

    • IstvanIN

      You are confusing people who have access because of wealth (earned or inherited) or because of personal accomplishment with “affirmative action”. AA is government mandated racial spoils for people who forebears did not help build this country, aka: stealing from whitey. Sotomayor should have been a judge in the much larger land mass called Latin America.

    • Tom_in_Miami

      I’m waiting for the punchline.

    • Mark

      I am not so sure about this, but the fact is true that White women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. In fact on C-Span symposium in 2010, Katie Couric, Diane Sawyer, Deborah Norville, Meg Whitman, Megan Kelly of FOX NEWS , Shirley Tighlman, soon to be former president of Princeton University, Susan Naegle, President of Entertainment for HBO and a few other women including Oprah Winfrey and Connie Chung (I know Winfrey and Chung are not White) discussed how affirmative action made it possible for them to be where they are at today professionally. Moreover, each of these women stated that they are strong supporters of the policy

  • jay11

    For someone whose main qualification was being a ‘wise latina’, she is remarkably clueless about the fact that if she was born white and had the exact same experience and grades, etc, she would never have been considered for the supreme court. Obama and the Dems have utterly locked up the vote of the latinos, the so-called ‘new americans.’

  • Dave4088

    Affirmative action may have been a door opener, yet the ungrateful Sotomayor still loathes traditional white America for the advantages we’ve bestowed upon her. Leopards can’t change their spots and no matter how many set asides we give these people they will always demand more and will always resent us.

    The average deracinated white suburbanite may have thought this was a heart warming story about a disadvantaged minority making good, but as this story proves she was admitted to Princeton over two other white students who were infinitely more qualified. Affirmative action is a zero sum game and when non-whites win, whites invariably lose.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    ’She thought there was something wrong with them looking at me and not looking at those other two students,’ says Sotomayor.

    According to Pat Buchanan:

    The New York Times reported that, to get up to speed on her English skills at Princeton, Sotomayor was advised to read children’s classics and study basic grammar books during her summers. How do you graduate first in your class at Princeton if your summer reading consists of ‘Chicken Little’ and ‘The Troll Under the Bridge’?

    Did she also talk about how AA got her a seat on the Supreme Court? Or that she is a racist and a bigot who ruled against the New Haven firefighters?

    If Sotomayor had any integrity or pride, she would be embarrassed that she rose not on her merits, hard work, perseverance, character or abilities, but solely on the strength of her skin color. And, this is considered an accomplishment? This incredibly stupid, racist and unhinged woman now holds power over our lives — while the respectable Robert Bork was, well, “Borked.”

    Sotomayor should be cleaning hotel rooms somewhere in Atlantic City.

    Bon

    • GM (Australia)

      Chicken Little’ and ‘The Troll Under the Bridge. Both of these are very symbolic pieces of children’s literature, all about baseless panic, finding commonsense and finally standing up to bullies. Is there a hidden message for Amren readers here?

      • snickle

        Maybe, but I have other plans for the Summer.

  • Vonhauer

    The door that was opened for her and that changed her life was slammed shut on the two white people who scored higher on the entrance exam than she did. Their lives were also changed and not for the better.

  • fakeemail

    If this were sane world, Sotomayor would be fluffing pillows and cleaning toilets.

  • LHathaway

    “They are so blindly hopeful and altruistic. It’s putting the cart before the horse. . . What liberals refuse to admit is that they do not want equal opportunity, affirmative action already proves that. Liberals want equal results, but they will never get it”.

    Well, it’s claimed AA harms the ‘beneficiaries’. They become set up to fail by always being admitted to an education program 1 step ahead of their level. So, in essence this set up to fail track assure. . . AA promotions will always be necessary. Sotomayer proves there are exceptions to this rule, although perhaps AA continues to help her.

    Whites are the biggest beneficiaries of AA because white women are the most numerous beneficiaries. . .

    Come-now, what is the real purpose of AA? To make discrimination against white men A-Ok, and something deserved (Sotomayer is proud of her ‘record’). Is the idea that, if this idea continues to be accepted, white men will continue to be discriminated against in other avenues as well?

  • NM156

    In other words, Sotomayer didn’t deserve to be accepted at Princeton, and thus, she doesn’t deserve to be on the Supreme Court. Let’s hope she croaks well before average life expectancy predicts.

  • southernwhite

    this country persecutes whites!!!! There could never be an Abraham Lincoln or Benjamin Franklin self made men types because they could get turned down for an african, hispanic, or asian student, The American Dream for Whites is over!!!!

  • archer

    Tom, never quite thought about it that way as being a “door closer”. Never agreed with affimative action and never will, if you’re not qualified for the job than tough for you, don’t make a more qualified person have to settle for a lower paying job. That’s bad enough for an individual and really bad for the country, but the criminals in D.C. only think of themselves and their political careers.

  • NorthernWind

    AA does the opposite of opening doors, it shuts doors for more deserving individuals which ultimately means that as a country we are worse off.

  • shmo123

    “She spent summers reading children’s classics she had missed in a
    Spanish-speaking home and “re-teaching” herself to write “proper
    English” by reading elementary grammar books. Only with the outside help
    of a professor who served as her mentor did she catch up academically,
    ultimately graduating at the top of her class.”

    The above is from the NY Times. Somehow a woman who had only recently graduated from “The Cat in the Hat” graduated first in her class from Princeton? I’m sorry, I just don’t believe that.

    I can only imagine the brilliant, hard working whites who were passed over to give this woman a leg up. She’s cut from the same cloth as Obama; both are unqualified, over-rated and in way over their heads. God help us all.

  • shmo123

    “She spent summers reading children’s classics she had missed in a
    Spanish-speaking home and “re-teaching” herself to write “proper
    English” by reading elementary grammar books. Only with the outside help
    of a professor who served as her mentor did she catch up academically,
    ultimately graduating at the top of her class.”

    The above is from the NY Times. Somehow a woman who had only recently
    mastered “The Cat in the Hat” graduated first in her class from
    Princeton? I’m sorry, I just don’t believe that.

    I can only imagine the brilliant, hard working whites who were passed
    over to give this woman a leg up. She’s cut from the same cloth as
    Obama; both are unqualified, over-rated and in way over their heads. God
    help us all.

  • SFLBIB

    “… The most common substantive argument for ‘affirmative action’ in higher education, as in other areas, is that it provides a ‘remedy’ for disadvantages resulting from past racial discrimination. The argument is obviously fallacious in that it is not possible to remedy an injury to ‘A’ caused by ‘B’ by giving a benefit to ‘C’ at the expense of ‘D’. …

    “As the remedy rationale for racial preferences has become more obviously untenable, its proponents have increasingly relied on the argument that it provides a needed educational ‘diversity’. Selection of students by race, however, provides ‘diversity’ in nothing but
    race. …

    “As it would be self-defeating to permit open discussions of racial preference, ‘hate-speech’ codes will have to be adopted, ‘political correctness’ enforced, and ‘sensitivity training’ programs instituted.

    “Because opposition and, indeed, all discussion of racial preferences must be suppressed, their use is inconsistent with academic freedom and a university atmosphere of open inquiry. Indeed, it is only the employment of tactics of intimidation, successfully silencing opposition, that has allowed discrimination against whites to persist and expand. It is not too
    much to say that racial preferences, and, therefore, the admission of substantially underqualified students, are the source of virtually every major problem of education policy plaguing the American campus today.” — Lino Graglia, Professor of Law, University of Texas

    • Tom_in_Miami

      “The argument is obviously fallacious in that it is not possible to
      remedy an injury to ‘A’ caused by ‘B’ by giving a benefit to ‘C’ at the
      expense of ‘D’. …” True, and a tragic byproduct of this policy is that to put C in a group (class, higher position, etc.) also puts C in a position in which all the non-AA candidates are (usually clearly) superior. I don’t know if you’ve ever been the dumbest person in a class, but I have and can tell you that no amount of AA can make you believe you understand the subject matter as well as your non-favored classmates. It’s a bad experience. Hence the high drop out rate for AA candidates. However, there are a few AAs who are so ignorant and high in self-esteem that they don’t realize the rest of the class laughs at them, and they make the AA program seem even more comical yet cruel to the genuinely qualified members. Case in point: BHO was put into the number one position in the Harvard Law Review, yet he evidently found himself unable to publish a single article for the Review, a first, no doubt, for that august publication. And where are the AA candidates for studies that have objective outcomes such as architecture in which buildings can collapse, engineering in which bridges can fall, or chemistry in which created substances fail to have the qualities required for their purpose? No, you won’t see the AAs in those fields. You will see them in black studies and liberal arts whose proofs are mere words that cannot be disproved. Everyone loses under AA.

      • SFLBIB

        Re: “…no amount of AA can make you believe you understand the subject matter as well as your non-favored classmates.”

        But to the Left, understanding the subject is not the goal. That’s one place where PC comes in by lowering standards.

        Re: “And where are the AA candidates for studies that have objective outcomes …”

        There are initiatives under way to make those disciplines “look” like America, too. https://engineering.purdue.edu/Engr/AboutUs/Diversity/DiversityResources

        • pcmustgo

          I’ve seen blacks do well in fashion design, graphic design, etc.

      • pcmustgo

        “BHO was put into the number one position in the Harvard Law Review, yet he evidently found himself unable to publish a single article for the Review, a first, no doubt, for that august publication”

        HE WAS ****VOTED IN… Because he was a popular half white half black kid they thought would quell racial tensions. MORE IMPORTANTLY, NYU AND MANY OTHER LAW SCHOOLS ***************RESERVE SLOTS ON THE LAW REVIEW FOR “DISADVANTAGED MINORITIES”… So they have a quota for blacks and latinos, they have set-asides even on these law reviews. I know because I was randomly reading some NYU Law material that mentioned that.

  • The fact remains that Sotomayor had twelve years of private education and still needed affirmative action to get into college.

  • Timtom

    This truly exemplifies the maxim.. Pro Black/Hispanic is not pro anything it ANTI-WHITE.

  • “You can’t be a minority in this society without having someone express disapproval about affirmative action.”
    What Ms. Sotomayor doesn’t understand is that people disapprove of Unqualified minorities taking the spots of more highly qualified students.

    Had Ms. Sotomayor gotten in because of there academic performance, most people would be patting her on the back. Now they only look at her and question her qualifications.
    That she doesn’t see this goes to show she’s unqualified.

  • Angry White Woman

    Ms. Sotomeyer was sitting on her butt learning to speak, read and write English during the summer between high school and college. The rest of us, who were white and had better grades than her were working. I would bet everything I own that she has no clue how to pick strawberries (middle school summers), pick tree fruits from cherries through apples (early high school summers), how to properly clean a hotel room (later high school summers), or how to work in a large convenience store/gas station (between high school and college). Her brothers do not know how to clean up a theater after hours, swing a hammer on a construction job, buck a bale of hay onto a moving truck, or drive a harvester. These are all things my siblings and I did, after school and during the summers because we learned how to read Children’s Classics in early primary grades. We have white skins and white names and our parents, grandparents, and earlier ancestors dating back several hundred years sank their blood, toil and tears into this land, making it prosperous and teaching their children to be good loyal Americans and to better themselves with each succeeding generation. Of course Ms. S doesn’t understand this–she and her family never trod that path. They waltzed in and STOLE it from every white American so that a “wise Latina” could sit on the Supreme Court of a land to which she does not belong. For some reason our country has become a sewer of multiculturalism where ignorant and illiterate illegal immigrant heathens are favored over native-born sons and daughters. Where white men have virtually no chance of getting the education to become the world-class doctors and scientists and engineers we need to regain the “top of the 1st world” status we once had.

    • jay11

      Thank you. I think about this everyday. My history goes back to both jamestown and Plymouth rock. My ancestors are represented in every war and political struggle from Queen Anne’s War to Vietnam. My ancestors were mostly poor farmers who struggled from generation to generation, slowly rising and getting better until the auto industry lifted them up to the solid middle class. All along the way and in my own life no one handed me anything. No scholarships, no grants, no special loans or ‘affirmative’ anything. I see illiterate and semi-literate third worlders every single day waltzing in and DEMANDING an american middle class lifestlye IMMEDIATELY, and if I dare mention hard work or getting legal citizenship or anything, then I’m branded a racist, elitist or bogot.
      Did anyone ask me, was any vote taken, that said my country, and the land of my forefathers should be given to people from lesser cultures? (There, I said it!) Our ancestors built the modern world and even put a man on the moon, but people are coming here who believe in voodoo, who can barely read or write in their own language, kill their daughters for looking at boys, have little ambition but to take what’s not there’s, who cheat on everything and throw garbage on their own lawns and leave it there. If millions of Americans went to their countries and did the same, how would they react? Oh, but we’re the racists…

      • pcmustgo

        Mexicans and immigrants of all stripes in general generally DO work hard and work the crap jobs many others do not want.

        Immigrants are rarely accused of being lazy. Still doesn’t mean I want them getting affirmative action, just on principal.

    • pcmustgo

      Wait now… Mexicans and Latinos in general are much, much, much more likely to work these “sh=== t” jobs in the fields or elsewhere at an early age than white kids.

      I respect the work that you did, but I myself grew up Upper Middle Class and quite frankly , privileged. I feel no guilt over it- I refuse to. There are a lot of spoiled, privilege white and asian kids in America with well-to-do parents, who don’t pick fruit ever, whose parents buy them cars, clothes, everything.

      Latinos are much , much more likely to do the tasks you described above than a white kid.

      Just adding some perspective. Yes, there are poor whites like you and rural whites, not denying you exist.

      Not saying I support Affirmative Action for Latinos though, or any immigrant group.

      • Angry White Woman

        Yes, I grew up poor AND rural, but I suspect a big part of our differing experiences growing up “White in America” may have something to do with our ages. From your other posts here, I have gotten the impression that you are a later generation, one closer to my children who are in their 30’s. Your experience is much more like theirs. In my generation, even the “privileged” kids had to work at least some. Not so much for the income they generated, as for getting a work ethic instilled at their parent’s insistence.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    Something you don’t hear very much about is how these poor immigrants can afford to go to the most expensive schools. I went to a community college and finished my studies at a public university, paid for mainly by the GI Bill and a part-time job. It amazes me that the high class, hoity-toity institutions such as Princeton and Harvard are able to find these minority candidates who can afford to shell out $60,000 or so a year for tuitiion. Oh…they don’t have to pay? They get academic scholarships for reading Chicken Little and The Three Little Pigs? What a wonderful country we live in. I wish I had known that the really good schools were free.

    • pcmustgo

      They’re even flown in, red carpet rolled out, special orientation programs for them, summer camps at the colleges , etc. The elite colleges fight over who gets “the smartest blacks and latinos”, the few that exist.

  • affirmatively white

    When will there be affirmative action for whites ?

    • Rabbithead

      It has always existed. Past and present.

      • snickle

        Please explain what you mean?

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Immediately.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    “…for me, it was a door-opener that changed the course of my life,”

    For me it was a door slammed in my face repeatedly.

  • Snowhitey

    Personally, I believe Sotomayer is of Sephardic Jewish descent, making it 4 Jewish justices: Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan, & Sotomayer.

  • Snowhitey

    Correct that to Sotomayor. I’ve got a finger problem.

  • The problem with the AA hire, is they know they aren’t worthy. And as soon as they reach management, they will only hire their kind, destroying whatever employs them.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    Sotomayer has inadvertently admitted that she did not receive her appointment on merit. How amusing.

  • “My Fair Lady” is the tale and hopeful lesson of affirmative action. In “Pygmalion,” George Bernard Shaw saw through the commonly accepted ruse which puts forth that success and social standing are the result of hard work, talent, and intelligence – good breeding. Affirmative action challenges these assumption – and rightfully so. Affirmative action succinctly conveys that intelligence, motivation and hard work are not the only ingredients of success; affirmative action belies the concept that systemic issues account, in large part, for a particular individual’s chances.

    We want to believe that those in positions of authority earned the right and were not merely bestowed their privilege through some social lottery.. Yet isn’t it apparent that those at the top, those who we assume are the best and the brightest are no more intelligent or qualified than any other? I am reminded of this fact most often when a CEO or politician, of any color, opens their mouth to dribble out nonsense. Doesn’t the nightly news consistently remind us that rank and privilege are not entirely earned through intelligence and hard work and those who are leading us are actually no smarter or better qualified than anyone else? So if a person’s worth and value are in large part fraudulently bestowed on the fortunate few, with little attention given to their individual merit or aptitude, don’t we have a corrupt and dishonest system?

    So who cares what color the individual is; it is a rigged game. And this is precisely what bothers us about affirmative action; that in the case of minorities the corruption does not benefit us – it benefits the other.

  • The doors have always been open, what she got was a free ride to the front of the line and only had the meet the most minimum of qualifications to get on board