Foes of NYC Soda Ban Limit Doubt Racial Fairness

Jennifer Peltz, Breitbart, January 23, 2013

Opponents of the city’s limit on the size of sugary drinks are raising questions of racial fairness alongside other complaints as the novel restriction faces a court test.

The NAACP’s New York state branch and the Hispanic Federation have joined beverage makers and sellers in trying to stop the rule from taking effect March 12. With a hearing set Wednesday, critics are attacking what they call an inconsistent and undemocratic regulation, while city officials and health experts defend it as a pioneering and proper move to fight obesity.

The issue is complex for the minority advocates, especially given obesity rates that are higher than average among blacks and Hispanics, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control. The groups say in court papers they’re concerned about the discrepancy, but the soda rule will unduly harm minority businesses and “freedom of choice in low-income communities.”

The latest in a line of healthy-eating initiatives during Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration, the beverage rule bars restaurants and many other eateries from selling high-sugar drinks in cups or containers bigger than 16 ounces. Violations could bring $200 fines; the city doesn’t plan to start imposing those until June.

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The NAACP and the Hispanic Federation, a network of 100 northeastern groups, say minority-owned delis and corner stores will end up at a disadvantage compared to grocery chains.

“This sweeping regulation will no doubt burden and disproportionally impact minority-owned businesses at a time when these businesses can least afford it,” they said in court papers. {snip}

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  • The__Bobster

    Everything beez razzist, nome sane?

    • whitepony87

      Bob I am pretty sure that you might be a terrorist. Report to Thought Camp for re-education at once.

  • Angry White Woman

    The ban on sales of larger sodas is stupid, but it’s not racist!

    • whitepony87

      If they think banning grape drank is racist then God knows what they would think of my ideas.

  • MekongDelta69

    I heard this nonsense on the radio before and the first thing I thought of is, “Damn – this (il)logic is so convoluted, they don’t even know what they’re saying.”

    They bitch and moan and blame others when they DO have something (i.e. An obesity problem) and they bitch and moan and blame others when they DON’T have something (i.e. The soda which (partially) CAUSES their obesity problem).

    As long as you scream ‘racism‘ at something (anything), you’ll get an audience of cowering politicians.

    • nexus

      at no time personal RESPONSIBILITY for one’s own self ever came up, i’m sure.

  • JackKrak

    Can the SPLC/NAACP/ACLU crowd just give a list of things that are NOT racist? That would make everything a lot easier.

    • MekongDelta69

      Let’s make this short and easy…

      Q: Are you white?
      A: Yes.
      Reply from the SPLC/NAACP/ACLU crowd: Then EVERYTHING you do/say/think is racist.

      • Anders

        Appendix A:
        Q 1.Do you consider Ray Charles to be a musical genius?
        Q 2. Is Aretha Franklin the greatest singer in history?
        Q 3. If you could invite 5 people from any time in history to a dinner party at your place would they be, MLK, Muhammed Ali, Barack Obama, Ray Charles and Nelson Mandela? Or another negro of your choice, Robert Mugabe for instance?

        Failure to answer the three above questions correctly, along with the initial failure to answer MekongDelta69’s question correctly, means that you are,according to the NAACP a complete and utter racist that is probably a member of the KKK.

        • StillModerated

          …. and the Nazi Party, the Michigan Militia, the Boy Scouts, and the League of the South.

        • Eddie Willers

          Of course, inviting blacks such as: Frederick Douglass; Booker T. Washington; Walter Williams or Thurgood Marshall would not sit well.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I don’t think your list would make for interesting dinner company, though your bill for food and wine would be minimal.

          • josh

            Thurgood Marshall????? Thurgood was as much our enemy as ANY of those dusky dudes. Frederick Douglas????

          • George

            Don’t forget Thomas Sewell on the list of verbotten schwarzen.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I couldn’t think of anything that they wouldn’t consider racist. I thought of water, but then remembered that the colored people can’t swim for the most part. I thought about oxygen, but then I remembered the horrible pollution that plagues most non white cities. I thought about animals but of course there are monkeys and gorillas. I thought about food but there is rice and beans. I thought about stop signs, but they are red and say STOP, clearly disenfranchising Native Americans.

  • Geezo, nothing can be wrong based on its own demerits. The only way we’re going to derail Bloomberg’s stupid soda cup ban is if another PC concern, in this case, race, sideswipes it.

    In related news, we found out today that New York City’s total aggregate municipal debt (racked up over time, the equivalent to the US National Debt) is now $110 billion. A CITY has run up 110 gigabucks of red ink.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      This debt is not very far short of the total Apollo space program cost of $170 billion in 2005 dollars.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “We hold these truths to be self evident, the right to consume grape soda in a 32 oz. cup shall not be infringed upon”

    • Some Guy

      Grape drank for all my brothers!

    • Major

      And Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles.

      • whitepony87

        And crack, they like crack.

      • Joseph

        “Skillets”. Don’t be raciss. The correct Sharpton pronunciation is “skillets”.

  • Chris

    Newsflash: Giant Meteor Headed For Earth: All Life To Be Destroyed: Women And Minorities Affected Most!!!

  • fakeemail

    I would have no problem with blacks, hispanics, and other fat slobs eating themselves to death. Only problem is that the tax-payer has to subsidize the lard ass’ medical appointments.

  • LastBastionOfHope

    Only minorities could think something like that is racist. The wall in my room is racist because it’s white.

  • TheCogitator

    I don’t think the stupid soda law is racist, but it sure discriminates against the small businesses. Big companies like 7/Eleven are exempt. That demonstrates how foolish and corrupt the law really is.

    Maybe not for the same reasons, but I’m with the NAACP in opposing such an overreaching stupid law that limits the size of soft drinks.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Seven-Eleven is exempt, but unlike sit-down, restaurants these are the folks who got us the 52-ounce “Extreme Big Gulp”. I’ve been waiting for them to start selling soft drinks in five-gallon buckets.

  • 1stworlder

    A meteor strikes earth killing all life within seconds, non-asian minorities hit hardest.

  • Some Guy

    Do I detect a crack in the House of Diversity that the Dem’s built? Internal strife with their favorite pet voters, say it ain’t so! I wouldn’t be surprised if they voted for who ever increased their Big Gulp size.

    • whitepony87

      I thought you said “crack House of Diversity” and I laughed, hard.

  • HadEnough

    Bloomberg’s chickens have come home to roost. Excellent!

  • Hey, Hey, Hey

    The problem isn’t that it’s racist, it’s that the size limit should be 8 oz. We have some fat mothers and fathers out there. I fully support letting the minorities experience carbo-tyranny.

    • whitepony87

      You would have to be nearly retarded to consider a proposal that would improve the overall health and reduce the rates of childhood obesity and risk of diabetes in your neighborhood racist.

      • Hey, Hey, Hey

        I’m all for improving the health of neighborhood racists.

  • 1stworlder

    Funny liberallogic post on this http://liberallogic101.com/?p=677

  • aj

    They are absolutely correct and are right to be angry. Blacks and Hispanics consume unfathomable amounts of soda and this will undoubtedly hurt their businesses by restricting one of their biggest selling items.

    This is clearly government overreach and interfering with free enterprise. The NYC government can’t stop treating its black and hispanic citizens as its children who need to be closely monitored an supervised.

    Let them drink 4 gallons of soda a day, just cut off their free healthcare and let them kill themselves with sugar if that is what they want to do.

    • Joseph

      Let them learn (if that’s possible), that this is just ANOTHER benefit of the Obamananny care type systems. “If we pay the bills, we get to say how you can behave.”

  • Jaego

    Racist? It’s their word – anything they don’t like is Racist. There’s no point trying to use rationality. The point is to get them at each other’s throats. This is what needs to start happening. The question is how to make it happen.

  • APaige

    The old complaint was that blacks did not own stores in their hood. Now limiting the size of sugar water will hurt the stores they own?

    • Jefferson

      Most businesses in Black neighborhoods are either owed by Indians, Asians, or Arabs. Thanks to a lack of a strong entrepreneurial spirit in the Black community.

      • MikeofAges

        Big Mouth (Rush Limbaugh) went off on this topic today talking about how 20 percent of employed blacks work for the government. He attributed this to idea that blacks believe that government is the source of all good things in life. Maybe so. But the underlying reason is that blacks for the greatest part just are not very entrepreneurial and, in fact, prefer to work for institutional employers. Whatever the reason is, that is the basic fact.

        • Sherman_McCoy

          The reason, pure and simple, is AA.

        • HamletsGhost

          They prefer to work for the government because they don’t like to work.

          • Jefferson

            If you exclude Hollywood, the music industry, and the sports industry, than there is not a high percentage of high income Blacks who work in the private sector.

            Black wealth is mostly driven by government jobs.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Entrepreneurs in the black community are drug dealers.

        • PesachPatriot

          There not even really good at that. There are white guys in this country who have been growing and dealing weed since Woodstock without getting so much as a speeding ticket. They put business first, stay low key, refrain from unnecessary violence and don’t flash their cash like idiots. The urban american unlicensed pharmaceutical salesmen drive fancy cars with big stupid rims and usually have at least 5k worth of gold in their mouths and on their necks while living in the projects with their mamas. It doesn’t take a genius to put two and two together.

  • Unperson

    NYC Bans Supersize Sodas; Minorities Are Thirstiest.

    Something I’ve always wondered about that ban, what’s stopping somebody from buying several 12oz cans instead?

    • whitepony87

      They don’t seem to have a problem buying several cans of beer. Remember that Four Loko stuff? It complimented the stoop dwelling violent crime committing lifestyles of the ghetto community quite well.

      • nexus

        They haven’t gotten around to banning 4Loko in California yet.. between that crap, red bull, and monster energy drink our “Diversity” is sketchy, hair-trigger, and wildly paranoid on top.

    • MikeofAges

      Costs more per unit. That’s another way the soda ban discriminates against minorities. Also, scruffy kids. The disabled. Low wage workers. Anyone on fixed incomes. I mean seriously, if you’re po’ and don’t want to be a soak* or a hype**, what is there for you to enjoy in life? Either donut shop coffee or a giant soda pop. To make matters worse, I doubt there is a free refill anywhere within 20 miles of Times Square. John Carpenter got it right. “This is hell. This is hate. This is your world and it’s great.”

      *soak – a chronic drinker. **hype – a chronic drug user.

  • PesachPatriot

    I wish the founders had written something about the rights of all americans to enjoy whatever size soda they could afford. I used to enjoy visiting NYC occasionally when I lived in the north, but I would never want to live there even if I was a billionaire.

  • odious liberal

    Excellent article, racism turned against the white liberals, chumped at their own game.

  • Big Gulp Free Zone

    New York has just turned soda salesmen into criminals. Now if you want a big gulp you will forced into the back alley where abortions used to be performed.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      We call that “one-stop shopping”.

  • LHathaway

    “The NAACP’s New York state branch and the Hispanic Federation have joined beverage makers and sellers in trying to stop the rule from taking effect March 12”.

    Maybe it’s just me, but it always seems as though whatever blacks want, they get. I’ve heard it referred to as ‘black run american’. I may google ‘black run america’ myself, to see what it says. . . Perhaps the worse blacks do (or the worse off they can be presented as being) the more america has to appear to be black run. Which, from my my angle, means blacks (and everyone else, will find themselves even worse off than before. So then there will be even more ‘Sensitivity’ and ‘tolerance’ training, so things can appear to be black run.

    Maybe it’s just me, again, but it also seems as though everything in this world that is reasonable, moral, just, has somehow been made out to be an obstacle to black ‘progress’ and to progressive thought, or even as ‘racism’. We give in to ‘black’ demands, even if it kills them. Perhaps the thinking is, if it kills whitey, it’s Ok if it kills us, too. In this case, since it is about food and drinks filled with sugar and single portions with the recommended fat intake of an entire day, kill them might be the more accurate metaphor.

    Whites are sometimes our own worst enemies. At least we can take comfort that this is true for blacks also.

    • Unperson

      ” I’ve heard it referred to as ‘black run american’. I may google ‘black run america’ myself, to see what it says.”

      Black Run America (BRA) is a very useful coinage from the very useful blog Stuff Black People Don’t Like (SBPDL).

      http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com

      SBPDL is also the source of other phrases frequently used here on AmRen, such as Disingenuous White Liberals (DWLs).

    • Michael_C_Scott

      “Maybe it’s just me, again, but it also seems as though everything in this world that is reasonable, moral, just has somehow been made out to be an obstacle to black ‘progress’…”

      This is because blacks are not reasonable, moral or just.

  • Sherman_McCoy

    Does the law affect sugar-free sodas as well?

  • blight14

    Its likely petty but WHO is showering these articles with down reps, they’re everywhere all of a sudden????????

  • StillModerated

    Black retailers? You’re joking. NYC stores are run by Arabs, Chinese and Koreans. To be perfectly honest, I rarely even see black employees. Mind you I don’t have any good reason to visit Canarsie, Jamaica, or Harlem.

  • Joseph

    Funny- the nanny-state’s pet is now snarling at them.

  • liberal scum

    liberals fighting liberals? the world needs more of it.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    Boiled-down, this means that the bed-wetting classes are opposed to the large soda ban because it might be “racist”, and not because the law is an absurdly silly overreaction by the Nanny State. It’s ALWAYS about race with these folks, isn’t it? The 16 ounces is just a standard beer stein full (and a standard dinner glass for home use is 12 ounces).

    Restaurants don’t just offer large drinks; they serve food portions that are typically larger than what one would make at home, and which contain more fat; the extra calories are not merely from soft drinks, which means from a dietary standpoint, the focus on beverages is going to be ineffective. People who are nominally adults are supposed to understand these things and make appropriate choices. The focus on container size also ignores the restaurants that offer “bottomless” drinks, i.e. free refills. Red Robin doesn’t just do this; one also gets unlimited French fries with a hamburger there. This law also ignores “all-you-can-eat” establishments, such as Furr’s, Golden Corral, and various Chinese buffets.

    In short, there is no effective way for government to prevent people from eating like pigs if they wish, and the cost to the city both of enforcement and defending the law from the inevitable court challenges will be fiscally irresponsible.