Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years

Pew Research Center, June 4, 2012

As Americans head to the polls this November, their values and basic beliefs are more polarized along partisan lines than at any point in the past 25 years. Unlike in 1987, when this series of surveys began, the values gap between Republicans and Democrats is now greater than gender, age, race or class divides.

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Whites and Blacks Differ Over Role of Government

The differences in the views and beliefs of blacks and whites today are largely the same as when this project began in 1987. African Americans have consistently been more confident than whites in government’s ability to perform efficiently and more supportive of the social safety net and a larger role for the government in society.

Most notably, 62% of blacks say “we should make every possible effort to improve the position of blacks and other minorities, even if it means giving them preferential treatment.” Just 22% of whites agree. Twenty-five years ago, the gap was almost identical, 64% vs. 16%.

When it comes to the social safety net, 78% of blacks today say “the government should guarantee every citizen enough to eat and a place to sleep.” That figure was 80% in 1987. Among whites, 52% agree with this statement today, down slightly from 58% in 1987.

One of the defining values gaps between blacks and whites is over opportunity. Currently, half of blacks say “success in life is determined by forces outside our control,” compared with 31% of whites. Again, these figures are little changed from 25 years ago (49% of blacks, 35% of whites.)

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  • WmarkW

    What’s most troubling is the way the Hispanic line starts out in the middle of black and white, and has trended significantly toward black more recently.  The Republicans are on completely the wrong track. 

  • Church_of_Jed

    Or: why fiscal conservatism will never win the non-white vote,

    or, why fiscal conservatism is a dead dinosaur, because with White minorities come fascist Diversity tyrannies and republic destroying hypermassive inflation.  Who will be the black Hitler? 

    • Northernfront

      The seeds have been sown.  Whites are the new Jews.  

      Eventually, we will have to repatriate somehow.  The scientific and real-world evidence for the superiority of a homogenous, high-trust, high-efficiency society will become too great. 
      http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/can-we-all-get-along/

      For example, the economies of Poland, Estonia, and Latvia, countries with almost no non-Europeans, are doing great, while the rest of the EU sinks to a morass:

      “The Economy of Poland is a high income economy[11]
      and is the sixth largest in the EU and one of the fastest growing
      economies in Europe, with a yearly growth rate of over 3.0% before the late-2000s recession.It is the only member country of the European Union to have avoided a decline in GDP, meaning that in 2009 Poland has created the most GDP growth in the EU.
      As of December 2009 the Polish economy had not entered recession nor
      contracted. According to the Central Statistical Office of Poland, In
      2010 the Polish economic growth rate was 3.9 %, which was one of the
      best results in Europe .
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland

      Ethnic groups (2011)
      0.94% Silesian
      0.04% Kashubian
      0.07% German
      0.07% Ukrainian
      0.08% Belarusian
      1.42% other
      0.98% mixed identity
      4.84% undefined
      91.56% Polish

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        The truth shall set us free…

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

         If white were the new jews, we would be in control.

        Whites are Whites, they are not the new-blacks, new-jews, new Mexicans, new Indians, or any other neo group.  OK, maybe the are the new-imbeciles.

        • Northernfront

          What I mean, TWS, is that the Whites may soon be treated like Jews were in National Socialist Germany.

          Seeing as Barack Obama is Socialist, and a Black Nationalist, he is a Black National Socialist.

          Seeing as BO is sure to pull a stink of a dirty trick to get reelected, we better start making on-the-ground person-to-person defensive rings and plans for potential genocide.

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    I am honestly considering moving to Russia this coming spring. I’m a 22 year old conservative, white, heterosexual male, and if Obama gets re-elected, my future as a white man is in danger. If the ecconomy collapses while he’s in office that threat’s ten fold.
     

    I’m in great shape, I’m a boxer/weight lifter, I wrestled in high-school. I looked at the fastest way to citizenship in a few countires, and for the most part the quickest way is mililtary enlistment. I’m fine with enlisting, but countries like France are out of the question, which sucks because I rather like the French Foreign Legion. I looked at Russia, and have decided with me being of Slavic descent anyway it is the best choice. So for the last four months I’ve been learning to speak, read, and wright in Cyrillic. I’m waiting till the elections(grudgingly voting Romney) to see what I’m going to do. I’m very serious about my future, and the future of any family I end up having, I would want us to be in a pro-white country. Any way here are the requirments to enlist in the Russian Army. I would like any intellegent opinion as this is a very serious matter to me.

    Requirements

    1. You must be 16 years of age.
    2. Obtain a waiver if you are not a Russian citizen.
    3. Read and write in Russian.
    4. Be able to pass a proficiency test in Russian.
    5. Pass Russian army physical.
    6. Pass the Russian army fitness test.

    Once again I am posting this with the deliberate intent to obtain any insightful opinions on this matter, as it means alot to me. So thank you for reading this, and I look forward to any insightfull response.

    • KevinPhillipsBong

      Visiting the wiki site for Russian Demographics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Ethnic_groups ) – it looks like the European section of Russia (West of the Urals) is 84+% white (82.75% Slavic) with the rest comprised of Turkic/Uralic Muslim types. The European Russian fertility rates are below replacement levels and the nonwhites are above.

      • 1911ThePunisher45

        The non-whites are also being driven out of the country by Ultra-Nationalist, “skinheads”, the immigrants now have a saying “In Russia they kill you for not being Russian”. Also I’d venture a guess to say the statistic about the U.S. are non accurate. From what I can gather the white population of the U.S. is fast approaching 50%, when that drops to below 50% white Americans are for lack of a better word, doomed. I’m still young I want to get out while I can.

        • Northernfront

          We can see the future in the present.

          I would love to do an analysis of the current economic numbers for Black and Hispanic areas of the country, then extrapolate the future of America from the economic condition of states already at high NAM numbers.

          By this I mean:
          Step 1:  Look at  fertility rates for NAMS.
          Step 2:  Look at economic behavior of NAMS.
          Step 3: Extrapolate with EERY ACCURACY the economic  future of Unites States
          Step 4:  Leave all NAM dominated areas, flee to Estonia

    • Go for it.  The journey and experience you will have definitely be worth it.  If I was your age and not married with children this would be one of my options.  Let our fellow white Russians know that there are many of us here in the U.S. that admire  “Russia is for Russians”.  Marry a beautiful Russian woman and have as many kids as you can. haha 

  • Defiant White

    QUOTE:  “Most notably, 62% of blacks say “we should make every possible effort to improve the position of blacks and other minorities, even if it means giving them preferential treatment.” Just 22% of whites agree.” 

    Bull.  It’s more like 95% of blacks want cradle-to-grave gibsme . . . but 62% are honest and 33% are lying about it.   As for the 22% of whites wanting to gibs to blacks, I’d say that’s much too high.  However, many white libs will lie about it when asked.  They’re all for wealth distribution as long as it’s not their wealth.

    Final thought . . . the last time are “basic values and beliefs were so polarized” . . . we met at places like Gettysburg and Cold Harbor to settle our differences.

    • The__Bobster

      The 22% make a living giving out gubmint money to minorities. This is why there are still Whites in Caleefornia. As soon as these gubmint workers are able to retire, they leave the state.

  • “Currently, half of blacks say “success in life is determined by forces outside our control,”

    That pretty much tells you ALL you need to know about the black race.  They are so unintelligent and hopelessly stuck in the Stone Age that they believe that their “fate” is not in their hands.  No wonder they do not attempt to contribute ANYTHING to society.  No wonder they have the LOWEST turn out for volunteer work.  Why go to school if success in life is determined by forces outside your control?  How PATHETIC of a race do you have to be to think that another race will decide your fate?  Is that not a GROSS admission of inferiority?

    • 1911ThePunisher45

      That is why I don’t want to be anywhere near them. Not even one of them. They are a people of contradictions.

    • Northernfront

      From David Hume, The Natural History of Religion:

      http://oll.libertyfund.org/title/340/44336 on 2012-09-05Origin of Polytheism.

      “If we would, therefore, indulge our curiosity,
      in enquiring concerning the origin of religion, we must turn our
      thoughts towards polytheism, the primitive religion of uninstructed
      mankind.

      Were men led into the apprehension of
      invisible, intelligent power, by a contemplation of the works of nature,
      they could never possibly entertain any conception but of one single
      being, who bestowed existence and order on this vast machine, and
      adjusted all its parts, according to one regular plan or connected
      system. For though, to persons of a certain turn of mind, it may not
      appear altogether absurd that several independent beings, endowed with
      superior wisdom, might conspire in the contrivance and execution of one
      regular plan: yet is this a merely arbitrary supposition, which, even if
      allowed possible, must be confessed neither to be supported by
      probability nor necessity. All things in the universe are evidently of a
      piece. Everything is adjusted to everything. One design prevails
      throughout the whole. And this uniformity leads the mind to acknowledge
      one author; because the conception of different authors, without any
      distinction of attributes or operations, serves only to give perplexity
      to the imagination, without bestowing any satisfaction on the
      understanding. The statue of Laocoon, as we learn from Pliny, was the
      work of three artists: but it is certain that, were we not told so, we
      should never have imagined that a group of figures, cut from one stone,
      and united in one plan, was not the work and contrivance of one
      statuary. To ascribe any single effect to the combination of several
      causes, is not surely a natural and obvious supposition.

      On the other hand, if, leaving the works of
      nature, we trace the footsteps of invisible power in the various and
      contrary events of human life, we are necessarily led into polytheism,
      and to the acknowledgment of several limited and imperfect deities.
      Storms and tempests ruin what is nourished by the sun. The sun destroys
      what is fostered by the moisture of dews and rains. War may be favorable
      to a nation whom the inclemency of the seasons afflicts with famine.
      Sickness and pestilence may depopulate a kingdom, amidst the most
      profuse plenty. The same nation is not, at the same time, equally
      successful by sea and land. And a nation which now triumphs over its
      enemies, may anon submit to their more prosperous arms. In short, the
      conduct of events, or what we call the plan of a particular providence,
      is so full of variety and uncertainty, that, if we suppose it
      immediately ordered by any intelligent beings, we must acknowledge a
      contrariety in their designs and intentions, a constant combat of
      opposite powers, and a repentance or change of intention in the same
      power, from impotence or levity. Each nation has its tutelar deity. Each
      element is subto its invisible power or agent. The province of each god
      is separate from that of another. Nor are the operations of the same
      god always certain and invariable. To-day he protects: to-morrow he
      abandons us. Prayers and sacrifices, rites and ceremonies, well or ill
      performed, are the sources of his favor or enmity, and produce all the
      good or ill fortune which are to be found amongst mankind.

      We may conclude, therefore, that in all
      nations which have embraced polytheism, the first ideas of religion
      arose, not from a contemplation of the works of nature, but from a
      concern with regard to the events of life, and from the incessant hopes
      and fears which actuate the human mind. Accordingly we find that all
      idolaters, having separated the provinces of their deities, have
      recourse to that invisible agent to whose authority they are immediately
      subjected, and whose province it is to superintend that course of
      actions in which they are at any time engaged.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      ” SoCal Snowman wrote-
      “Currently, half of blacks say “success in life is determined by forces outside our control,”

      That pretty much tells you ALL you need to know about the black
      race.  They are so unintelligent and hopelessly stuck in the Stone Age
      that they believe that their “fate” is not in their hands. ”

      Actually their fate is not in their hands. Most of the jobs they get are AA jobs given to them by stupid whites. They simply could not survive on their own.

      If you look at African psychology, you will learn that they believe that “voodoo spirits” control them. You can bring them halfway around the world, re-educate them [sic], and their subconscious beliefs still comes trough.

      • Northernfront

        Exactly my thought, with the voodoo.  Blacks have never truly Christianised, thought Christianity certainly can help some Blacks. 

        Instead of believing a logical natural order, with 1 supreme set of laws, Blacks are basically polytheistic, believing in multifarious, constantly intervening forces. 
        Causes do not spring from natural law for Blacks, but rather from sporadic divine intervention.

        In other words, Blacks as a race are the furthest thing from our NW European , Deist founding fathers.

  • “Or: why fiscal conservatism will never win the non-white vote.”

    Which is why we need to form a pro-Union, anti-immigration party if we want white survival.

    And this Party should take a cue from the Golden Dawn party in Greece and do this: “Their continued distribution of food to needy Greeks suffering under austerity measures, has gained them support, though their efforts have been criticized as they only provide food to Greek citizens.”

  • Enar_Larsson

    —African Americans have consistently been more confident than whites in government’s ability to perform efficiently…—

    Really? Then why are they always whining about, protesting, and filing lawsuits over the cops, the judges, the schools, the fire hydrants, the fire departments, the snow plows, the flood relief, the before-school programs, the after-school programs, the parks and playgrounds, the buses and trains, the public housing, the free health care, the repressive voting laws, the DMV, the census, and God only knows what all else? Do we ever hear them saying anything other than how all of these departments/programs/personnel are not only letting them down but also actively oppressing them?

    • The__Bobster

      As long as those gubmint checks keep coming, they think dat da gubmint beez workin’ right, nome sane?

  • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

     Currently, half of blacks say “success in life is determined by forces outside our control,”

    Makes sense. When the bulk of your population has an IQ in the mid 80s, I’d guess most things are outside your control.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

     Currently, half of blacks say “success in life is determined by forces outside our control,”

    I guess in the case of blacks, that’s true, due to their lower average intelligence. 

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    Somebody forward these graphs to Jeb Bush (et al) so he’ll shut up about the necessity of Hispanic outreach efforts.

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    You can own fire-arms in Russia. Also if you look at the Patriot Act, NDAA, MIAC Report, Hollywood, and the Main Stream Media,  America is worse than Russia in almost every way now.

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    I’m 5’11”, and I’ve always wanted to be military, but I refuse to take orders from Homosexuals, Blacks , and Women. If Obama gets re-elected I’m going, I already have my plane ticket for late November. With a second Obama term I’d give up my U.S. citizenship in a heartbeat.

    • Northernfront

      Once the penis sucking, favor trading starts, the US military will quickly be on the road to ruin.

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    Yeah….Good luck with that.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

       Will call it the American Nazi Party (ANP). Our symbol will be the Hindenburg, instead of a donkey or elephant.

  • The__Bobster
  • 1911ThePunisher45

    You did’nt have to read it, also thanks for the advice, I see you really ad alot to the forum here. I wonder how the blacks in Cincinnati will treat you when the EBTs stop?

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    Republicans can’t even get the white vote. How are they suppose to get the black or brown vote? Democrats never coddle to whites, but Republicans always try to coddle minorities. It is like trying to tame a rattle snake.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

     The sad part is that a lot of whites will give blacks what they want while simultaneously killing off any whites who do not want to give black what they want.

    • Northernfront

       Do you think this will happen?  I can see it actually occurring, given the brainwashing most Whites have encountered.  When the EBT’s run out, there will be Whites who will side with the rampaging Blacks, killing and attacking their own kin.  Women will sleep with the enemy, believing the Black man to be unjustly persecuted and “economically disadvantaged”. 

      It will be just like the last Civil War, where Whites killed their own kin for the right of Hobbessian savages to participate in Democracy.   You can see this action of betrayal happening on a small scale all the time in America.

      How are you preparing?

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    LOL thats some pretty good advice, The Ausies just don’t seem to have the same patriotism the Russians do. Plus if I become a Russian citizen I can travel Europe like I’ve always wanted.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

     Psychologically blacks have the emotional mind of a disturbed child. If a child tries to do something but can’t, the child believes someone or something is preventing him/her from doing it. The have not progressed to the point of self reflection: The ability to look at yourself and judge yourself fairly and say “maybe I just can’t do it.” Children have impulse control: blacks have impulse control. Children can’t see (prepare) far into the future, and neither can blacks.

  • 1911ThePunisher45

    Not a chance, the Soviets did’nt have a borderline retarded, hyper-violent, parasitic black underclass that has always used violence as the only means to get what it wants.

  • The__Bobster

    They’ve been importing huge numbers of non-Whites.  It used to be an option for me. It no longer is.

  • Northernfront

    The three rules of savage Black behavior (in order):

    1. Gibsmedat
    2.  Lookame
    3.  Muhdick