Rioters Were Having Spiritual Experience, Says Bishop

John Bingham, Telegraph (London), July 9, 2012

Smashing up homes, cars and shops and attacking police were a way of providing “release” and “escape” for troubled young people, according to the Bishop of Bath and Wells, the Rt Rev Peter Price.

He told the Church’s General Synod that the events of last August, which claimed five lives and devastated communities, were “evil”.

But he added that it was hardly surprising that young people had turned to mass criminality in England’s major cities because they had been “condemned” to lives with no hope in run-down areas.

He also suggested that consumerist capitalism should also share blame for the actions of those who stole trainers and other designer goods.

He was speaking as he presented an official Church response paper to the riots, which argues that those who took part should not necessarily be blamed for the actions and that we are all responsible.

The report, titled “Testing the Bridges”, urges people not to “confuse” crime and sin.

It argues that the riots should be understood through the idea of “structural sin”—the theory that wider society should share responsibility for the actions of individuals.

The report also repeatedly attempts to blame the media for what happened and suggests that police were heavy handed.

It goes on: “We saw how some clergy and others were working with the concept of structural sin which recognises how people on all sides of conflicts can face moral choices that are not between what is clearly right and clearly wrong but which are necessitated by circumstances in response to situations where much has gone wrong already.

“Christian beliefs about sin prevent them from stereotyping others and from dividing the world between good and evil in ways which ignore the complexity of moral contexts.”

Bishop Price told the Synod: “I have no intention of being sentimental about the people, mainly young people, who took to the streets last August and destroyed property, ruined other people’s lives and walked off with looted trophies.”

“Riots embody appalling evil and criminality and those who get drawn in often display great wickedness.

“But as the Passionist priest, the late Fr Austin Smith, said after the Toxteth riot in the 1980s, rioting can be, literally an ecstatic spiritual experience.

“Something is released in the participants which takes them out of themselves as a kind of spiritual escape.

“The tragedy of our times is that once again we have a large population of young people who are desperate to escape from the constrained lives to which they seem to be condemned.

“Where hope has been killed off and with no prospect of escape, is it surprising that their energies erupt in antisocial and violent actions?

“In a consumer society is it surprising that lusting after high-status goods is seen as a way to find meaning.”

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  • Structural sin, institutional racism, collective guilt.

    It seems my penance is to renounce capitalism and give my money and everything I own to victims of my alleged sins. 

    • TheTruthHurts4

       Blacks are not poor and in prison because of “institutional racism,” but because they have low IQs and high crime rates. That is not our fault. It is the legacy of the African jungle. They are intrinsically inferior and inherently violent and criminal. They are better off because their ancestors were brought over in chains, and because slave owners had children by them. We would be better off without them. They contribute nothing of value.

      • 14POLK88

        I could not have not said it any better!

  • Well, like I said here a few days ago, my analysis of the BNP’s data shows that a black Londoner was 10.5 times more likely than a white Londoner to riot, and the reality might be more disproportionate than that, as I think the cops deliberately over-arrested whites to portray the notion of “rainbow” riots.

    But, working on face value, does this mean that black Londoners are ten times as spiritually hungry than white Londoners?

  • mikejones91

    Well the Bishop of Manchester said it was “the erosion of morality” that caused these riots so which is it? I’m inclined NOT to believe the man who makes a logical/fact based assumption in regard to a certain group without saying it directly. Must be a racist. Well, if I have to choose between a racist, and a guy who uses perceived injustice as justification for violence I think I’m  gonna choose the guy with the dream world logic and form my own dream world opinion Why you might ask…Why take the word of a man who you know is NOT telling the truth?..Well racism is bad, that’s why. Did you really need an answer. 

  • loyalwhitebriton

    I agree that consumerist capitalism creates an overly materialistic society, which is very unfortunate.
    However, last years riots (the majority of rioters were black) was the result of Police shooting dead known drug dealer and gang member Mark Duggan (UK Police are routinely unarmed, but have armed units).
    The Church of England, by the way, would possibly find it more profitable to work out why congregations are plummeting.
    Would it have anything to do with endorsing homosexual “relationships”, and excusing blatant criminality by minority groups?
    To any MI5 agents monitoring this: firstly, I think that you are bunch of traitors!; secondly, my question above is rhetorical, to which most Amren readers would understand the answer to be Yes! Feel free to pass my details to Scotland Yard. They are traitors too!

  • JohnEngelman

    As an Episcopalian I am used to this nonsense. During the 1990s the second most famous Episcopalian in the United States after George H.W. Bush, Bishop Shelby Spong of Newark, New Jersey, announced that he did not believe in God. 

    • Sherman_McCoy

      You’d be more than welcome at the Orthodox Church of America.

      • JohnEngelman

        Thank you. Actually I have become an Anglican. We are traditional Episcopalians using the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
         
        http://anglicanchurch.net/     

        • Sherman_McCoy

          The Anglican Church is also a fine choice.  One, I might add, being made by countless Episcopalians.  

          We welcomed an Episcopalian clergyman and his family into our OCA congregation in Texas, BTW.

          • JohnEngelman

            It is ironic. During the War in Vietnam I was attracted to what was called “the underground church.” Now I am attracted to traditional denominations. I do like the Eastern Orthodox Church. The local Greek Orthodox Church has a Greek Festival every year that I attend. 

          • Sherman_McCoy

            IMHO, a great thing about Orthodoxy is that is has many ethnic branches.  Therefore, I am not forced to endure blacks in my church, for the most part.  The Ethiopians have their own, as do we.  

          • JohnEngelman

            Sherman,
             
            I do not mind going to church with blacks. I just mind being robbed by them. 

          • The__Bobster

            Is it because of the hats?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmWEElulG8

        • loyalwhitebriton

          Glad to see that you have become one of us (Anglican). I sincerely hope it provides for your spritual needs.
          Just out of curiosity, what church do you attend?
          I worship (though not as often as I really ought to) at St. Johns, in my home town  http://www.stjohnsburslem.btck.co.uk
          It’s only a small place, but the people are great; and the church itself is pretty old, the main tower was built circa 1450 ad.

          • JohnEngelman

            I prefer not to disclose my location, but I go to a small church too. We Americans have a difficult time understanding how it feels to live in a country where so many buildings are so old. Over here anything built before 1800 is ancient. 

          • loyalwhitebriton

            You’re right, John. I wasn’t thinking when I disclosed my location by providing a link to my church, I was just thinking about advertising my lovely old church.
            You never know who’s looking in, eh?
            Anyway, hopefully no damage done, and I’ve edited my previous post accordingly.

  • alltoohuman

    When blacks destroy cities it’s a spiritual exercise.  When jews destroy nations it’s tikkun olam, “repairing the world.”  Same mentality in both people: destruction as a virtue, a key aspect of slave morality.

  • The chruch of coawrds.

  • godzillabloggs

    A spiritual experience combined with some looting.  Who says that you can’t serve God and Mammon?

  • NM156

    The British political and cultural establishment is populated by mental hospital escapees. What happened to the Brits that inspired endless self hatred? This vicar’s denial would make an AA group bust out laughing.

    • godzillabloggs

      Left-wing politicians do step out of line occasionally, at least in private.  A leading Labourite is alleged to have told a muslim journalist to “Get out of my country, goat******”  (expletive modified).

      http://tinyurl.com/869v74w

  • HenryHolliday

    Utter white guilt, thug apologist  nonsense.

  • HenryHolliday

    You made me look up a word.  :>)

  • Sherman_McCoy

    I understand.  I didn’t have such great time even in the 60’s. Perhaps I should have become violent during my father’s periods of unemployment, when I wore the same pair of pants for a year, and was ridiculed for having holes in my tennis shoes, and did a little garbage can diving during school lunch period. Hey kid, you don’t want that egg salad sandwich? I can tighten you up!

    What must have been WRONG with me?

  • I don’t know, maybe we can use his kind of logic.

    Let us transpose it:

    ————

    “Smashing up ethnic minority homes, cars and shops and attacking state indoctrinated police were a way of
    providing “release” and “escape” for troubled young nationalists, according to
    the Bishop of Bath and Wells, the Rt Rev Peter Price.”

    “He told the Church’s General Synod that the events of 2014,
    which claimed many lives and devastated communities, were “evil”. But he added that it was hardly surprising that young nationalists had
    turned to mass ethnic cleansing in England’s major cities because they had
    been “condemned” to eradication with no hope at all in any areas.”

    “He also suggested that consumerist capitalism and enforcement of cultural Marxism should also share blame
    for the actions of those who burned down mosques and corner shops.”

    “He was speaking as he presented an official Church response paper to
    the upsurge, which argues that those who took part should not necessarily
    be blamed for the actions and that we are all responsible, for encouraging the supplanting of the host society.”

    “The report, titled “Testing the Population”, urges people not to “confuse” crime and sin.

    It argues that the riots should be understood through the idea of
    “structural sin”—the theory that wider society should share
    responsibility for the actions of individuals.”

    “The report also repeatedly attempts to blame the media for what happened and suggests that police were heavy handed.”

    “It goes on: “We saw how some clergy and others were working with the
    concept of structural sin which recognises how people on all sides of
    conflicts can face moral choices that are not between what is clearly
    right and clearly wrong but which are necessitated by circumstances in
    response to situations where much has gone wrong already.”

    “Christian beliefs about sin prevent them from stereotyping others
    and from dividing the world between good and evil in ways which ignore
    the complexity of moral contexts.”

    Bishop Price told the Synod: “I have no intention of being
    sentimental about nationalists, mainly whites, who took to the
    streets last August and destroyed property, ruined other people’s lives
    and enforced programmes of deportation.”

    “Cleansing can embody appalling evil and criminality and those who get drawn in often display great harshness in their efforts. But as Rev.West said after
    the Northern race riots in 2001, rioting can be, literally an ecstatic
    spiritual experience. Something is released in the participants which takes them out of themselves as a kind of spiritual escape.”

    “The tragedy of our times is that once again we have a large
    population of nationalists who are desperate to escape from the
    constrained lives to which they seem to be condemned.”

    “Where hope has been killed off and with no prospect of escape, is it
    surprising that their energies erupt in antisocial and violent actions?”

    —————

    Well said Rt Rev Peter Price. I will look forward to your support……….right?…right?….
     

  • godzillabloggs

    London and some other large British cities are like powder kegs  – it does not take much to set off an explosion.  The political establishment  – at the behest of its paymasters –  respond with denial and appeasement.  The police try to keep the lid on the cauldron by treating ethnic minorities with kid gloves.  The media (or most of them)  continue to sing about the joys of ‘diversity’ while keeping the public in the dark about black crime . The opinions of bishops do not count for very much.

    The white majority do not like the situation but are too easily fooled by promises ‘to do something about immigration’.  Also, when it comes to casting their votes,  the things that matter most
    to the multitude  are the National Health Service,  employment etc.   (This may not always be true of
    those voters who have the privilege of living in diverse neighbourhoods).

     

      Such great changes must affect the way we feel about our nations.  I never thought that I’d say this,  but I am no longer as patriotic as the next man. It is very hard to feel strongly about, say,  Germany’s domination of Europe.  In fact, it would be much more worrying if my nation’s  ruling class had
    greater influence over events.

    As a conservative I believe in competition, so why should I bleat if Germany has won
    the gold medal.  ‘Patriotism is not enough’.  It may not even be desirable if it leads us to act against our own people’s interests.

  • Rocky Bass,

     Most certainly the image seen is largely the camera men and editors just showing the tiny fraction of exceptional “good black” and “bad white” behavior to totally skew reality on the ground. Londoners as a whole, have to know what really is going on, why they still seem to be sleeping is anybodies guess.

  • ageofknowledge

    The picture speaks a thousand words.

  • Up to my neck in CA

    “I say Travon, would you like a spot of tea?”

  • Patrick_A_NonnyMouse

    “…  rioting can be, literally an ecstatic spiritual experience …”
    = = = = = =

    No, Bishop Duncehead: what you’re describing is “mob mentality” in which people temporarily banish the superego (tasked with constraining humans to conduct ourselves within acceptable social boundaries) and let the id take over (so the “inner savage” is given free rein).  I suppose  to some people that would feel “ecstatic”, but for most of us who have had decent upbringing, we’d be ashamed and appalled the next day.

    So if you’re going to call this “spiritual” and “ecstatic”…. maybe you’re in the wrong line of work, Bishop old buddy.