What Obama’s Health Care Means for African Americans

NewsOne, June 28, 2012

Civil rights leaders and lawmakers on Thursday applauded the U.S. Supreme Court’s narrow decision to uphold President Barack Obama’s landmark health care law, which upheld the centerpiece of the measure that requires all people to have health insurance.

Here, NewsOne speaks to U.S. Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.) about the ruling and explains what this ruling means for African Americans.

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“This is manna from heaven,” U.S. Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.) told NewsOne shortly after President Obama’s noontime news conference about the ruling. “I couldn’t be more delighted because this is going to make sure that 32-million people who did not have access to health insurance will now have it. While I’m in favor of a national health plan, this is a little short of that. It will go a long way toward improving the quality of life for millions of Americans. “

Read the court ruling here (.PDF)

While the health care law will benefit all Americans, it will be especially helpful for African Americans who suffered the most under the nation’s ruptured health care system.

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“I’ve been working on health care reform since the 1970s and this is a hallmark piece of legislation for African Americans and all Americans,” Davis said. “The one thing that we may see a reduction for is in Medicaid. There’s just less money there than we had hoped for, but overall we are pleased with the ruling.”

In a prepared statement, NAACP Chairman Roslyn M. Brock called the ruling “crucial”:

The Supreme Court made a crucial decision today to uphold the core provisions of the Affordable Care Act,” Brock stated in the release. The NAACP has long supported the full and complete implementation of this law. Access to quality, affordable health care is a civil and human right that should not be reserved for the wealthy or the few. The 32-million American men, women, and children covered under this law can now breathe easier.”

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“I’m so excited about moving forward because there was so much speculation about what the Supreme Court was going to do,” he [Rep. Davis] said. “Now, we can say this is truly a Supreme Court that we can be proud of.”

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  • There is something rotten in all of this (I mean Roberts etc.). The SCOTUS ruling is  a conspiracy – I generally try to avoid paranoid associations, but I cannot see it otherwise. It’s not that someone was scared of anyone, or that Roberts is stupid or corrupt…..there is more to it in the high stakes game, but I simply cannot see through it.

    • refocus

       It is war on whitey.

      •  The compassion of George Bush and his appointee John Roberts with white middle class money.

        Is there any doubt GOP = Dems and which tribe controls both parties?

        Whose name shall not be named. 

        Pure racial socialism.  Blacks, Hispanics, Asians are all leeching on White America.

        But whitey is obsessed with ideologies like democracy, libertarianism, socialism, anarchism, communism, conservatism…

        Whitey never asks: What is good for Whites? and that is why he is bleeding and bankrupting himself.

      • dukem1

         Everything the Black Congressional Choir does or says is part of their war on whitey.
        That ain’t news.
        From what I’ve heard about this decision, the court said, essentially that a tax by any other name is still a tax, and, like it or not, congress has the power to levy taxes…

        What seems strikingly moronic about the whole discussion is this 32 million number of people who will be taken care of now…With a bit of rounding here and there, that’s about 10% of the population…

        So I guess what passes for intellect in our current climate is the idea that we should re-do 17% of our economy in order to somehow save the talentless tenth..

        In the words of that old spiritual….”…hope I die before I get old.”

        • The__Bobster

          There is nothing in the Constitution about a head tax. Hell, it had to be amended to allow for an income tax. And aren’t money bills supposed to originate in the House, not the Senate like Obongocare did?

          •  Technically, there is.  What it says is this:

            No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

            Art I Sec 9

            That’s a hard sentence to grok, so I’ll try to untangle it.

            What this means is that the Federal government cannot tax individuals unless the receipts from all states are proportionate to  each state’s percentage of the national population.  The Federal judiciary used this to find the first income tax unconstitutional, and it was only by the (maybe dubiously ratified) 16th Amendment that income taxation didn’t violate this clause. 

            So you combine this with the 16th, and direct taxes of given dollar amounts on individuals are only valid if it’s proportionate by state.  As a practical matter, this means that direct taxes have never been legislated.

            I am not familiar with the construction  of this clause.  But I suspect the reason it was put in the Constitution for much the same reason why (not legally, but technically) the President and Vice-President must be from different states, because of fears of regional dominance.  I guess the Framers worried that the Federal government would implement direct taxes in a way that would disproportionately affect certain states or regions negatively.

          • dukem1

             I don’t know what the constitution says about a head tax…and you are certainly right regarding the document being amended to allow for an income tax…tho’ as far as I know, amendments to the document become part of it…fact is, one way or another we have given our representatives the authority to levy taxes…for better or worse.

            Insofar as money bills originating in the house…I agree.  Over the last 40 or so years of my adult life, I have always been curious when I hear reports of the Senate debating or passing bills regarding money…I was always sure that I was told , back in like seventh grade civics class, that only the house could pass spending stuff…I’ve always wondered whenever I hear the Senate being involved – what’s going on?  Are you and I the only folks who know this?  It’s a wacky world, Bobster.

            At any rate, I’m not replying to argue these points.  I’d say that you and I are probably on the same big page.  And thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment.

        • Bob

          the liberal dogma that is “equality” demands that we focus all of our taxpayer money and time on the lowest common denominators of society. They want to spend the most on the lowest common denominator while stealing from the best. That way things will be more backwards and “equal.” For liberals the positive part of this dogma is that those with the most potential for greatness won’t be enriched enough to become the “oppressors” of equality.
          they love the stupid 
          hate the smart
          love the savage
          hate the civilized 
          love the black
          hate the white

      • redfeathers

        Obamacare is going to be another mass transfer of wealth and services from whites to nonwhites.  I think about 75% of the Medicare recipients are white and the program will be cut $500 billion.  Sounds like rationing and long waits for service to me.  Medicaid will be greatly expanded and I think the huge hispanic underclass will be the biggest beneficiaries, including the illegals that this administration will no longer deport.  Elderly and/or disabled whites on Medicaid will suffer because the program will be stretched too thin now with millions more on the rolls.  Then we’ve got hundreds of thousands of new immigrants each year enrolling because this country will never stop importing poor people.  You’re right, it IS war on whitey.

    • Hirschibold

       Blackmail related to sexual indiscretion?

      • IstvanIN

         Good lord, a girl friend?  Boy friend?  Prostitutes?  Sex clubs?  Other notable men have been brought down by that sort of thing.

        • WhitesRdumb

           He would not have been appointed if “they” couldn’t hold something over his head.

          He (Roberts) looks like a child molester.

      • Now, that is something tangible. 

      •  See also:  Souter.  Funny thing is this:  If he is, then in this day and age, there is supposed to be no shame in it.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Well, there’s this:  

        The DRUDGE REPORT has uncovered a plot in the NEW YORK TIMES’ newsroom to look into the adoption of the children of Supreme Court Nominee John G. Roberts.The TIMES has investigative reporter Glen Justice hot on the case to investigate adoption records of Judge Roberts’ two young children, Josie age 5 and Jack age 4, a top source reveals.Judge Roberts and his wife Jane adopted the children when they each were infants.Both children were adopted from Latin America.

        I understand Drudge has taken it down.

        This is what the original link is showing now:

        http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3jra.htm

        Bon

        • Diamond_Lil

          The link is broken.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            That was the point — Drudge disappeared it for some reason…

             Bon

      • The first thought I had when I heard Roberts sold out was that the “special” meeting he had at the White House was to threaten him with something. I thought it could be anything from sexual related to include threats to him or his family. I do not put anything out of bounds with obama but particularly his handlers. We know from the past that the FBI has been involved with such things.

    • realman63

       Possibly someone like McCain and a prominent Democrat offered to use their influence to save O’s health plan in return for him dropping out of the Presidential race.
      Both sides are just about that tired of him and that fearful of the consequences of him losing.
      Just a guess.

      • Marcy Fleming

         Since he’s not dropping out that would seem a useless strategy.

    • HenryHolliday

      My thoughts exactly.

    • vladdy1

      Corrupt

  • Whitewhale102242

    Manna from heaven must is translated as from the white man. Dont blacks expect everything free anyway? The hilarious part is this black ocngressman fails to realize they were getting everything free in the past but now even the 50% who pay no taxes must cough up payment for insurance.
    Are blacks miscomprehending?

    • Anonymous

      Since when do most blacks comprehend anything?

      •  They comprehend perfectly well that the manna’s coming from White Heaven, but they all sing “Praise Gawd!  Puhraise Jeesus!”  It would take a lot of pain to get them to admit that their God is White people, and they have a love-hate relationship with him.

        • Bob

          they want everyone we have
          they even practice a backwards bastardized form of our religion that teaches a retarded version of sinning
          they pretty much say that sinning is physical not mental or spiritual
          they think that as long as they don’t hurt anyone or say they are sorry they will go to heaven
          LOL

    • mikejones91

      Is that true? Only 50% of them pay taxes? Do you have a link for me. I’m not disputing, I just like reference points for debates.

      • The__Bobster

        The top 10 percent income earners pay about 70 percent of federal income taxes,” says Will McBride of the Tax Foundation. “The bottom 50 percent of tax filers have, they pay almost no federal income tax. They pay about 3 percent of federal income taxes.”Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/20/analysis-fair-share-in-taxes-not-by-numbers/#ixzz1z84jckPF

        • mikejones91

          Thanks for the reply, Bobster. Fox News doesn’t allow commenting anymore? What a shame. I would have loved to read the originals from this article. Thanks again.

          • The__Bobster

            You’re welcome.

            I went to the NY Daily Snooze site today and found that every story involving local monkeyshines was closed to commenting. However, it was open season to dump on White criminals they located 2000 miles away.

      • Sadly thats of the US total.

      • Well let’s see, blacks compose 12% of the population.  They also compose appx. 20% of all those Americans that pay no tax according to their returns. Now be careful here, their population share is only 12% yet they represent 20% of all tax returns with zero tax liability. What does that say? Or how about this:  over 20% of all non filers are black. And then the unemployment numbers thrown in and then what do we have?

        -20% of all Americans not having  any tax liability are black
        -20%+ of all non filers are black
        -Blacks represent the highest unemployment numbers at 50% for teens and young adults

        Still with me?  How about this, simple math.  If blacks are 20% of all Americans that have no tax liability on their returns and that total number of non-liability for all “taxpayers” is appx 50 million returns that would mean that of a population of appx 40 million blacks at least 10 million hand in returns with zero tax liability. Then we have non-filers. Of about 20 million non-filers blacks represent 20% or about 4 million.  So far we have 10 million zero liability along with 4 million non filers and we get 14 million blacks that pay no tax, there are only 40 million blacks so almost half of the black pop do not pay taxes and that is not even filtering out the non-workers, either unemployed or too young, old, retired, ill/incapacitated, etc.

        So far less than 50% of blacks pay federal income taxes.
        These numbers do not account for earned income tax credit or any other welfare schemes.

        Sources: IRS, TaxFoundation.org

    • Thats good news that heaven will be all white

    • Sherman_McCoy

      My renunciation of US citizenship and naturalization as a German will take place in about 18 months.  

      That is 18 months too long to wait. If only there were a white territory in the US to which we could return . . .

      • Marcy Fleming

         Be careful of the anti-‘hate’ speech and ‘holocaust denial’ laws in Germany. They are a Marxist run state and have learned nothing from the statist history of their past.

  • Herman

    What a week for Obama.

    Amnesty for the children of illegal immigrants + ObamaCare

    He gets to stick it to “whitey” twice.

    • So- is he just lucky ? Or-more likely- all his trajectory toward White House & later has been, more or less, carefully arranged. To which purpose ?

    • tickyul

      This will put Mr Hussein over the top, he gets AT LEAST another 4 years.

      • refocus

         No.  Its Romney. 
        Romney will take the fall. 
        Barack Hussein will be remembered as a good president.
        You see in the neither world… its due to Romney…. get it?

        • Marcy Fleming

           Wrong.

    • ed91

      blacks are too stupid to realize their hatred of whites is followed by their constantly following of whites no matter where we flee to…………

      I recently saw blackhawk down again.  Somalia is a country run by blacks…………  it is the scourge of the world like all black run cities and countries………….  vicious animals

    • Shawn_thefemale

       Not to mention gas prices. You think they’re coming down with 5 months till the election as a coincidence?

  • Hirschibold

    Replace “manna” with “money” and “heaven” with “white folks” and you’ve got an accurate statement.

    Those who are in favor of this program like to say that it will be as efficient as VA medical care. And though lefties love to invoke the sanctity of the veteran to make their rhetorical points, it is clear that they spend very little time around ex-soldiers, or the institutions designed to care for them.

    I have been receiving VA medical care (with a medicare supplement) for nigh on four years, so let me be candid: even with the best of intentions and with competent doctors, I am still screwed. After the waiting periods, the surliness of clerical staff, the lost records, the botched surgeries (two arthroscopic failures), I gave up, and now prefer to spend my GI bill supplement money on private doctors. A little while back there was a massive scandal at Walter Reed, where rats were running through the halls. So, on behalf of those who are screwed daily by the incompetency of government regulated medicine, let me formally welcome all of you to the club, since our ‘conservative’ court appointee, just swung the vote in favor of our enemies, which grants you (and your children) lifetime membership.

    Is it just me, or does Obama always seem to be struggling to keep from bursting into laughter at the gullibility of the American people?

    • sgmpalm

      In concur. The VA system is in dire straits as far as qaulity and staff are concerned. After experiencing malpractice and chronic pain after surgery I avoid it at all costs except for medication. It was the worst experience of my life. I learned my lesson and pay private doctors.

      • ed91

        the VA is now staffed with anything but white men. 
        women, minorities ————–
        a few lib white men……….
        and their hatred of old white veterans is usually worn on their faces like a 2-day growth of beard………..  right in your face.

    •  Stand on the corner of Grand and Enright around shift change time, and see what streams in and out of the VA Hospital in St. Louis.

      There’s your explanation on why VA care is so bad.  That also explains the recent scandals relating to our VA Hospital, the ones where the black Congressman who represents that area is so lazy to do anything that the “investigation” (read: cover-up) was sourced to a white Congressman of a neighboring district.

    • pc must go

       I knew a Puerto Rican-ness who boasted of STEALING SOCIAL SECURITY #’S of patients she interacted with at a hospital she worked at, and spending hours to get her nails done while being paid to “work”.

  • Obamacare will be at least a $200 billion a year new expense for a Federal government that is already $15 trillion in debt.  “Manna from heaven” will be Hell on Earth once Beijing quits buying T-Bills, or some sort of pressure forces a valuation of the Chinese Yuan on the international currency market.

    I think Roberts succumbed to media pressure.  Otherwise, he is to Bush 43 what Souter was to Bush 41.

    • I doubt it about Roberts.
      http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/supreme-court-issue-obamacare-decision-135554880.html

      When SCOTUS twice in a week works hard to ensure Obama emerge victorious- they are tailoring future policy. And they do it against the will of the majority (unlike Schiavo case). Why, how, when, …. 

      There is more to it.

    • tickyul

      LMFAO…………the amount of NEW fraud, waste, abuse, 3rd-9th world dreck glomming onto this benny……….. the Mad Max scenario may come a lot sooner.

  • Kungfoochimp

    The biggest problem the Progressives currently face in taking complete control is that the US is still a majority White nation.  Flooding the borders with 3rd world peasants helps them in the long run, but not fast enough for their tastes.  Health care law crafter Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel’s  “Complete Lives System” will help take care of “The White Problem” as older White’s can be denied care.  Social justice don’t you know.

    I also expect that gun control will be considered as a health care matter within 5-10 years.

    • Anonymous

      How are the anti-white folks going to pay for all this without enough whites around?  How do they know we will pay for this and not strike back?  Boy white liberals and anti-white nonwhites really are arrogant and not very bright.

      • Kungfoochimp

         Those in power don’t care how poor the nation is – they will get theirs.  Their cries of “fairness” ring rather hollow (they would embrace free market economics were they sincere) – a two class system of elites and peasants is what they desire.  Just look at California.

      • The__Bobster

        Don’t you know that money grows on trees? All we need to do is print some more.

      • Church_of_Jed

        “We must wipe out the last vestiges of White privilege so that the American Promise of Equality can come true for all.  We are the ones God has been waiting for, and through us, we bring about his plan to fundamentally transform into a post White privilege, anti racist, inclusive, welcoming, and wonderfully Diverse nation. We are the ones who will redeem America’s original sin of racism and remove all the monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. We can never do enough for he legacy of Martin Luther King, but we should keep trying.”

        -Bishop Tyrone Cedric Ceasar Solomon Jefferson Washington, “Equal’tee be our mandate,” 2012

      • Rocky Bass,

         So far, history says, we will just take it.

        • Bob

          don’t worry
          this generation is different
          the liberals underestimated the part of white nature that is the strongest
          the rejection of unfairness
          we hate it and have always hated it
          this generation is more racist than ever
          all of the diversity training backfired
          only those most brainwashed follow their doctrines
          when my liberal English proffessor tried to get us to read some anti white literature we erupted
          i was surprised mainly due to the fact that i thought i was going to hear the opposite but the white student’s pretty much took a dump on the literature and stated that they feel like this country discriminates against white people
          the people born during the 50’s and 60’s that hate this crap are too concerned with their jobs and their wealth to try and fight the government but my generation is actually going to make a difference 
          or die trying.

          • Marcy Fleming

             Good for you ! I am so sick of the whining and defeatism on the Right.

    • mikejones91

      The vast majority of  progressives are WHITE.

      • Kungfoochimp

         Sure, they’ll accept the support of the useful idiot Whites while it’s useful.  Do you think the progressives/communists don’t realize that their largest opposition is the other group of Whites….”bitter clingers”?  Blacks and Jews vote D at 90%+ and 80% levels respectively.  Only straight White males are excluded from Dear Leader’s re-election website – every other minority/grievance group is pandered to.  Put the pieces together!

        • dukem1

          Pander is such a useful word to use in this discussion..That be are prez…big pimpin’ 24/7 .

    • Marcy Fleming

       You need to stop this inane, the enemy is omnipotent malevolent metaphysics nonsense.
      They are not and they are on the way out just as surely as Marxism lies in history’s garbage can and it never was ‘inevitable’ as that was a deliberate lie designed to demoralize the opposition into oblivion.
      We will have a revolution in the streets before they take away people’s guns.

  • The Serbian

    It’s the average white family here in America and what it means to them which concerns me,.
    Forget about the blacks. Those who can trace their lineage back generations who aren’t wealthy are going to get royally screwed the worst, in the years to come. What this country is devolving into is the bitter reward for all those well rooted, red- blooded white Americans. 

    I consider myself fortunate in a sense that I’m one generation removed from my European country of origin, can speak/write the language, understand the culture, with extended family over there if things get to hot.  All indicators suggest it will.

    American Dream, or American nightmare?  In the long run it will be the populations of the  Western Europe Zone and America which will implode when the Euro and dollar collapses. It’s actually good right now in comparison of what’s coming. If you can believe it.

    • The Albanian Catholic

      Serb,

      White European populations are already imploding. Surely you know that population increases in European countries are accounted for by massive immigration. 

      I also wanted to tell you something else. I also want to ask you something.
      I’ve seen quite a few Serbians on sites like this. This is very interesting for Serbia cannot really be called Europa proper, you know? Its culture and racial distribution are most similar—RELIGION ASIDE—to that of Armenia, North Algeria, Syria, Egypt, Greece, Turkey, etc. Geographically and linguistically it is European but racially and culturally it is absolutely Near Eastern.
      Serbs have what I called the Near Eastern “manliness”. They just don’t take it from anyone and are racially conscious. This is not a matter of debate.

      The only (non-Mediterranean) white people in Europe who can match this right now would be (Catholic) Albanians and Croats. The latter beat the Serbs back against overwhelming odds in Operation Storm. The Gheg Albanians have single handedly evicted Ottoman armies from Macedonia and Albania, liberating the last sections of the Balkans.

      My question: Currently, there is a lot of tension between Croats, Serbs, and us, Ghegs. Do you think we will enter into some kind of a defensive agreement in the future if need arise?

  • Dr. Al

    DO NOT FORGET:  Obama is a community organizer.  In Ebonics, “community” means Black people.

    Obama is doing everything he can for his people. As he should. It is reparations and he is doing all he can to make the white man pay, pay and pay.

    The white man is the new slave. The white woman is the sex object for the black man.

    This was/is the entire idea behind the civil rights movement.  And so far, they have “won”.

    • In Obama speak, “The American People…” means black people.

      Pardon my withholding the capitalized B.

      • Bob

        it’s ok because why would you capitalize them anyway?
        they aren’t a proper noun they are just animals
        they deserve as much capitalization as the word dog does
        they are the only race that has proven to me that they are separate from the rest of humanity with their tribal stone age mentality and innovation
        look at obama
        his job consists of reading a teleprompter stealing money and making money off of books white people wrote for him
        and he is the greatest achievement of their race despite not even being a real black person
        until they decide to innovate a society or create their own  i will give them their due

  • Eagle_Eyed

    In somewhat tangential news, did anyone see the mostly black Democrats walk out when Holder was voted as being criminally in contempt of Congress?  It would have been cute and clever, but  the tactic was already done by socialists in Wisconsin who fled the state a while back.

    Blacks are like children, if they don’t like the game, they act like babies and refuse to play.

    •  I have no problem with CBC members walking out.  I would have a big problem if they walked back in.

      These short bussers don’t realize that the only reason they’re members of Congress is because Republicans help gerrymander short bus black districts to keep black-Democrat voters from ruining the politics of white districts.

      Eric Holder.  You’ve just been held in Contempt of Congress for lying under oath.  What are you going to do now?  Of course, Disney World:

      http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/06/28/on-day-of-contempt-vote-eric-holder-skips-town-heads-to-disneyworld/

      • Eagle_Eyed

         I also wonder if the media will herald the contempt vote as “historic” or “landmark” like they did when Obamacare passed.

    • Detroit_WASP

      Did they claim the Tea Party spat on them and called the “n word” when they walked out? 

      I’m glad they did that.  Maybe some white liberals will wake up and see that blacks see EVERY ISSUE as a racial issue.  There is no making them happy.   

      • Rocky Bass,

         I think it’s simple, Blacks know how they “should” be treated and just react as though they were.

        • ed91

          that’s a good point.  blacks know there is something wrong with them, but they want what they want and only the whites can provide it.

      • Red

        White liberals already know that. 

      • ed91

        there is no waking up of white liberals…………  they know blacks are reprehensible but that is the game libs play.  If they couldn’t play it, they would be selling used cars in Peoria…………..  no offense intended to used-car salesmen in Peoria.

      • Bob

        i guaranteed if i raised 1,000 blacks in captivity with no contact with outside civilization they would all develop their own form of racism against whites as soon as i let them out
        even if they haven’t even seen a white person in their lives

    • ed91

      blacks have a limited number of tools in their tool box.  The race card followed by a showing of temper is one of their best tools……  they know it

    • Shawn_thefemale

       Including billionaire  Fancy Nancy. She’s an honorary black. How appropriate.

      • Marcy Fleming

         She has been a horror here in San Francisco for way too long.

  • ncpride

    Perhaps someone here can answer my question. If AMERICANS are now required to buy health insurance, what about the 30 plus illegal aliens in this country who broke the system in the first place? Are they exempt? I hear they are not eligible for Medicaid (yeah, right)  so where does that leave them? Since our government seems to have no intention of enforcing our immigration laws, or deporting these aliens, will they be allowed to continue to bankrupt hospitals and drive up OUR cost, or will they push for a huge amnesty so they will be required to buy insurance too?

    • The__Bobster

      Yes, they are exempt. The Obongo care bill specifically states that squast monster invaders and members of certain religious sects are exempt from penalties if they don’t sign up.

    •  Technically, it’s not a mandate to buy health insurance.  (Even though it says so in the law).  The wonderful Supreme Court interprets it as a per capita direct dollar amount impost on anyone who: (A) Has a certain level of income — which will leave out the undocumented saints, and (B) Does not have a qualifying health insurance plan either as a result of an employment benefit or self-purchased.

      The disparate impact of all this, I think, is that over the next few years, many companies will be dropping their employee health benefits and giving their employees raises equal to the amount of the “tax” formerly known as “fine.”  This is all a salami slicing run up to the real end game, single payer.

      • Marcy Fleming

         Call it by its real name, socialized medicine.

    • Detroit_WASP

      It will be very interesting to see the government enforce this law.  Do you think they are going to go into the hood and arrest the brothers standing around in baggy pants and corn-row hairdo….because they don’t have health care!!!!  Give me a break.

      They will come after ME, put a lean on my house which is paid for.  I will be the whipping boy, not DeAndre!

      • Fakeemail

         And that my friend is called ANARCHO-TYRANNY.

  • MekongDelta69

    What Obama’s Health Care Means for African Americans

    It means that European Americans get to pay even more to support ‘African’ Americans.

    Thanks, Chief Justice Roberts.

  • Xanthippe2

    “‘This is manna from heaven,’ says black congressman.”

    Unfortunately, it will take more than manna from heaven to improve the lot of Blacks (including how healthy they are).  What would be required for that is Mother Nature re-writing their genetic code.

    But look for more resources to be transferred from Whites to non-Whites and look for a less stable, lower quality health care system!

    • Kungfoochimp

       While on a vacation in Bermuda which took a tragic turn, I spent 24 hours at their hospital while we had my father treated, and put on an aircare flight to the US.  Even in one of the tiniest and wealthiest nations on Earth, their universal care emergency room waiting room scene could exist in any 3rd world nation.  One woman was literally holding a chicken.  There was an air of filth, poverty, and depair. People waited what appeared to be 4-12 hours for care unless it was a life-threatening emergency.  Get ready for it.

  • Marc B.

    John Roberts allowed the imperial president to push him around. Those Bushes sure had a knack for appointing weak judges.  

    •  Alito voted correctly at least.  Remember who Bush originally wanted in that seat?

    • redfeathers

      At least Bush 1 got Thomas right.  And Bush 2 got Alito right.  So far, anyway.  Let’s see what Roberts does in the affirmative action case.

  • Detroit_WASP
  • Mox

    In my experience WHITES do not HATE blacks.
    They feel sorry for them and pity them for not accepting who they really are.
    And being a leader is NOT one of them

    • ed91

      you’d best believe blacks hate whites.

      •  I think envy is the root of all black sentiment toward Whites.  Everything they feel toward us can be traced back to that.

      •  Damn straight. Search the phrase “grafted snake” if you want proof.

    • WhitesRdumb

       to partially steal a phrase from Apocalypse Now.

      “Dislike with extreme prejudice”

  •   If this happens – and if it’s a common situation across the U.S. – it
    will decimate the hiring of young high school and college kids, black,
    white or yellow.

    And then where will they go for work?

    I’ve halfway thought that ObamaCare was a long term attempt at a de facto military draft.

    That’s right, cannon fodder for Uncle Remus-Sap’s new invade the world invite the world adventure:  Africa.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/22/army-troops-to-be-ready-for-africa-missions/

  • So what happens when the physicians and their staff REFUSE TO WORK?  What happens when the doctors start abandoning the inner city mexican/african hospitals?

    • Rocky Bass,

       Well then there will come the “care mandate”.

    • sarah stein

      They will work or they will lose their license, paycheck, 401K, house, wife and children. They will have no choice, and they will like it.

      • Marcy Fleming

         Who do you think you are condemning others to slavery and then saying that they will like it ?
        They will quit medicine in droves and then see the rejects available to treat you !
        They can get other paychecks doing other things or practicing in other countries and they won’t lose their wife and kids. And they can get new 401K’s.
        You are one of the most evil persons I’ve ever read. Pure Communism which took over 200 million lives in the 20th century.

  • Robert Binion

    That’s what I thought.  Can Congress now compel unmarried mothers to name a father for purposes of taxation?

    • The__Bobster

      Are ghetto mammies required to name the fathers of their bastards before they are allowed to collect welfare?

  • splitsing

    In the last 18 months, while transitioning from graduate school to a new professional career, I had to work three jobs to survive and provide for me, my wife (who is a full time professional) and our two young White daughters.

    Needless to say, it was a rough time.  There I was with a Master’s degree and a superb employment record having to moonlight cleaning carpet to make ends meet. 

    My reward for refusing to not provide for my family? 

    Never a dime in “earned income credit” … never a dime in WIC, EBT or whatever.  Nobody owes me anything and I wouldn’t take it if offered–my family is better than that and my children will be brought up to believe the same.

    Today I have a very solid career at a successful office (where literally the only black employee is the janitor) and still pay nearly $1000 per month for healthcare and another $1000 per month for child care.  I have no interest in subsidizing the laziness of others.

     

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    PLEASE HELP. in either a DARE or GANG INITIATION, two black males in a car opened fire in a drive by killing a 60 year old white man jogging before church. please google for pictures of their car i thought it could be a caddi but police said they think its foreign heres one latest article
      60 year old white man jogging is shot dead “randomly” in drive by by two
    blacks. church worker had NO RELATIONSHIP TO SUSPECTS AT ALL. UPDATE
    REWARD

     http://www.examiner.net/news/x1446666041/-10-000-reward-for-information-in-shooting-of-area-jogger

    • xxxtonygunsxxx

       correction two (or more) blacks

  • MekongDelta69

    My guess is that Robert’s came down on the side of the majority so he could write the opinion.

    Nah – He’s the Chief Justice and would have the prerogative of writing the majority opinion, no matter which side of the argument.

    People have put forth all kinds of reasons why Roberts did what he did – pressure from politicians, pressure from the media, not wanting SCOTUS to be seen as ‘political’, and on and on and on.

    ONLY Roberts knows what his reasons are. And they were wrong. And now we are screwed.

    The only way out of this would be if Romney were elected, he repealed this travesty, the House stayed Republican and the Senate gained enough seats so it could be veto-proof.

    • The only really suspicious thing is his insistence it is a TAX- which Barry Hussein vehemently denies. I’m not much into law, but I smell something here …

      •  It’s a “tax” when it’s the only argument that the courts would buy.  It’s a “mandate” when Obama made a promise not to raise taxes for anyone who makes less than a quarter million a year.  Some people can have their cake and eat it too.

        The reason why the tax-mandate-tax-mandate-she loves me-she loves me not is part of ObamaCare at all is purely political:  To pander to Karen Ingnagni, who rides herd for the health insurance industry on K Street.  Obama, Rahm (who was part of the losing HillaryCare battle), Axelrod et al. didn’t want the insurance industry running Harry & Louise ads.

        • Shawn_thefemale

           Absolutely. As of yesterday afternoon, it suddenly became a tax. There’s a word for people who prostitute themselves for what they want: prostitutes. So Obama is little more than a street walking hoe.

  • Rocky Bass,

     Soooo trooo con-rad.

  • Rocky Bass,

    Yep,  just invert the definitions and pursue “justice” with a vigor!

  • Rocky Bass,

     From my cold dead hands.

  • And strangley whites are soon to become a minority, kinda cause and effect

    • ed91

      I’ve seen it coming for 50 years.
      ted kennedy with the immigration bill of 65,
      civil rights scam of 65
      the best of the white gene pool lost in WWI and WWII and Korea and Vietnam.
      feminine uprising and silliness of 60’s onward
      etc
      affirmative action/welfare/lbj’s great society

  • Blacks have a lot of sickle cell that helped them survive malaria but it gives them a host of health problems. 3rdworlders are not as healthy but they evolved to outbreed diseases.

  • Dave4088

    A conservative justice of all people is responsible for upholding the monstrosity that is Obamacare.  Who would have guessed?  After all, the conservatives have been so reliable the last forty years in protecting white racial interests that I don’t think anyone could see this coming (sarcasm intended).  

    Obamacare is good for blacks and other non-whites but bad for whites.  This bill amounts to the redistribution of healthcare services by forcing working whites to pay higher insurance premiums and reducing care to seniors on Medicare all the while expanding Medicaid which a preponderance of non-whites rely on.  Sound fair?

    The leftist Huffington Post recently let the cat out of the bag by claiming that Obamacare would reduce the presumed racial disparity in the dispensation of healthcare.   That’s just lefty speak for admitting that the bill disproportionately benefits non-whites at the expense of whites.   

  • Court this, court that, but the real problem is to keep this country White.  It is unprecedented that from 1990. any country not involved in a major war has undergone such a radical racial reconfiguration.

    This should be cried from rooftops: three groups,

    a) hight breeding Blacks
    b) invading Mestizos
    c) Mongoloid Asians
    plus a mixture of “tanned Hindus” & various Muslims are turning White European country in a multiracial & multicultural Babylon. And everybody is silent about that.

    From 1990. to 2009 . (it would be interesting to see 2011 data.) number of children born to White mothers and Black fathers has risen from 37,000 to 88,000- see percentage-wise:

    Makes you think …
    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7302/1990per.png

    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1483/2009per.png

  • I think I will head to Mexico and renounce my citizenship and then sneak back into the country with no paper work or ID and just tell the doctors I am an illegal and you have to treat me….for free.

  •  Our government cannot run the post office in a competent manner, yet they are going to run medical care in this country? I don’t have a good feeling about this…..

  • Sincerely Concerned

    “Idiocracy” is coming true.   “Demolition Man” already has.

  • sarah stein

     Anyone who’s been to a hospital will notice it looks like New Delhi. We are importing the doctors and nurses from India.  They will work for a green card.

    • redfeathers

      Same here in Queens, NY plus Asian doctors and nurses too.  A friend was sick last year and I went with her to the emergency room.  Young, female, Pakistani attending who was hard to understand.  Chinese nurse who was VERY hard to understand.  Indian cardiologist who she didn’t like.  The ER was overflowing with only about a handful being white Americans.  It gets worse with the affirmative action and quota mandates in Obamacare. 

  • Varina

    I agree with you. If we had a homogeneous nation universal healthcare might work. I’d be willing to at least give it a try. However, we’ve devolving into Brazil with all the different racial and ethnic groups fighting each other for their piece of the pie.  When you throw in the U.S. policy of open borders there’s no way this will turn out well.

    We Whites are screwed.   

    • Diamond_Lil

      I am not so pessimistic.  Remember who we are dealing with.  We just need to get organized.

    • ed91

      many blacks and minorities and some whites will devote their time to making fraud of the new program. 
      Paying for charity is one thing and I don’t like it……..
      Paying for fraud is even worse and I dispise it……..

    • Marcy Fleming

       A former retard Governor there helped it along and it’s name is Bush.

  • JohnEngelman

    Is the U.S. Health Care System the “Envy of the World”? Not in Canada 
               
    An 82% to 8% majority of Canadians believe their system is superior to the U.S. system 
                  
    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – August 12, 2009 – As members of Congress return to their states and districts to debate the merits of the Democrats’ proposals for health care reform, critics of the proposals may repeat the phrase used by some Republicans, newspaper editorials and  bloggers that ‘the American health care system is the envy of the world.” 
                      
    If so, they should read the results of a recent Harris/Decima poll in Canada that found a 10-to-1 majority of Canadians believed their system was “superior” to the U.S. system.  They might also note that a 70% majority of Canadians thought their system was “performing well”; and that a majority favored an expansion of public sector health care (i.e., “government-run” health care in the current debate) over private sector health care. 
    http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-Canadian-HC-system-2009-08.pdf 
                 
              
    A problem with America’s political culture is that many low income whites oppose government spending programs that will help them if those programs also help blacks. 

    • anarchyst

      Major hospitals in border cities have agreements with Canadian provinces to perform medical procedures in the USA that would take MONTHS and even YEARS to complete in Canada.
      Canadian health-care is fine for sprains and bruises, but when life-saving procedures and operations are needed, the waiting lists in Canada amount to a death sentence for some patients, most of who are not politically “connected”.
      Just recently a Canadian government official had surgery in the USA because the wait times in Canada for the procedure would have been life-threatening.  The average Canadian citizen does not have the same “option”.
      If Canadian hospitals run out of funds, they close for the duration of their fiscal year.  There are more CAT scanners in Michigan than in the whole province of Ontario.
      If you think government health-care is expensive now, wait till it is “free”.

      • JohnEngelman

        When “life-saving procedures and operations are needed” are needed in the United States insurance companies often find ways of not paying for them. 
                             
        The United States spends much more money on health care than Canada, on both a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP.[5]
        In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678; in
        the U.S., US$6,714. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that
        year; Canada spent 10.0%.[5]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States

        • anarchyst

          The population of Canada is much less than that of the USA.  Therefore, it is much easier to say that their system is better.  I work for a major Detroit hospital system and personally see the Canadians come through our system who were extremely grateful for our American system.  They marvel at the ability to get almost immediate response and treatment for their conditions, unlike the situation in Canada. 
          Were you aware that private health “insurance” is available and widely used in order  to get away from the government system?
          As to insurance claims not being paid by American insurers, most of the problem systems are companies who self-insure and use insurance companies as claims administrators.  As such, these self-insured companies set the rules, which can be quite a bit more restrictive than the insurance companies’ normal practices.   Usually a call to human resources gets results . . .

          • Marcy Fleming

             Thanks for your wise comments here.

        • Marcy Fleming

           They pay in much higher taxes in Canada and Europe and much reduced medical coverage. This is one of the main reasons the EU is going broke.
          Insurance came in after the war first from the unions and then business to stay competitive had to offer it. Of course it greatly raised prices and we could return to the fee for service system predominant before 1950.
          That and abolishing licensing & government restrictions on building hospitals and medical schools and ending the prescription racket would do more to bring prices down than anything else. Medicare itself has caused a great overuse of medical facilities and is one of the factors contributing to the skyrocketing prices of medicine.
          Central planning has never worked in any area of any economy and medicine is not a human right but a service produced that needs to be paid for, preferably by the beneficiaries.

    • Marcy Fleming

       No Canadian I know and I know many likes it all. You have to wait months for a routine appointment and you could die waiting for surgery or serious medical problems.
      You are always quoting left-liberal establishment polls and they mean zip even if you assume they are honest and I don’t.
      Those low income programs like minimum wage hurt Blacks bigtime as do welfare and public housing and food stamps and section 8.
      They have created a new dependent slave class and are a main cause of crime.
      The Democratic Party is the cause of 75% of our problems including the ones most discussed here and we’d be better off without it.
      You go vote for Obama again, the rest of us will not.

  • Anyone who believes this is going to lower health care cost or get people to take care of themselves through preventative measures is delusional.

    The only reason the ACA passed with public support is because most people were fooled into believing they were going to get FREE health care.

    When they find out they have to pay, there are going to be many disgruntled and down right angry people.

    If Republicans were smart, they should keep offering reasons to oppose and repeal it but let it go until the proverbial fecal matter hits the air-moving spinning blades.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      The GOP has been handed a sledge hammer to kill the Democrats in this election. But will they use it, or slink away, as usual?

      Bon

      • Dear BonSoon,

        It’s up to us now and you know it.  You’re like me.  You still wish to believe even though you know it ain’t True.  Our System is gone and you, you (teacher) see it everyday.  Only God is on our side and even He is deciding most of us are not worth saving.  I mean, you know there’s gonna be a Reckoning.

      • JohnEngelman

        Rasmussen: Obama gets polling bump from high court health ruling
        By Meghashyam Mali – 06/30/12 01:41 PM ET
                  
        President Obama is leading Mitt Romney thanks to a bump from last Thursday’s high court healthcare ruling, according to a survey released Saturday from conservative polling outlet Rasmussen. Rasmussen’s latest daily presidential tracking poll finds Obama with 46 percent support from likely voters to Romney’s 44…

        The poll’s findings mirror those of a Newsweek/Daily Beast survey released Friday which showed Obama leading Romney by 3 points, 47 percent to 44. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/235765-rasmussen-obama-gets-polling-bump-from-high-court-health-ruling

        • Marcy Fleming

           Then how come 60% of Americans oppose ObamaCare ? How come Romney got in three million dollars right after the horrible Court decision ? Even the lead you quote is a dead tie since there is a 4 points margin of error according to all pollsters.
          The only reason I want Obuma (no typo) to win is that when the ship sinks as it surely will, I want the Blacks, the Left and the Dems to take the rap.
          It might that in five years they will be hunting Dummycrats with dogs.
          The last good Democrat Prez was Grover Cleveland, a believer in as close to laissez-faire capitalism as we have ever had in the White House.
          Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson were traitors and engineers of unneeded wars, class warfare, destruction of the Constitutional system and from Truman on promoters of Black Racism.
          The Democratic Party is a criminal subversive gang like the Mafia and should be outlawed.

          •  Hint:  News Weak (sic) and Daily Beast poll.

          • Marcy Fleming

             Typically Engelman deleted the reply button. We are supposed to live in a constitutional republic of limited government, not in a democracy of unlimited majority rule, whether direct or representative.
            Engelman has been evading this crucial distinction forever, no reason for the rest of us to go along.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Democratic Party is a criminal subversive gang like the Mafia and should be outlawed.                   
            – Marcy Fleming    
                               
            You would rather live in a right wing dictatorship than one of the oldest democracies in the world. What would you do with all of us Democrats? Put us in slave labor camps? 

          • Marcy Fleming

             We are not a democracy but a Republic. The Founders considered democracy to be the worst of all forms of government. See The Federalist Papers for starters.
            The alternative to democracy is not dictatorship.
            We have been moving to dictatorship since FDR and Obuma has hastened up the process. See Lew Rockwell, Antiwar.com, the Washington Times, Taki’s and this site for more details.
            Why would you Democrat Socialists object to prison, it’s the living embodiment of socialism.

          • JohnEngelman

            We are not a democracy but a Republic.  
            – Marcy Fleming
             
            A republic is a government not governed by an hereditary monarch. In an era of figurehead monarchs and parliaments the distinction between monarchies and republics is no longer important.
                                                      
            The distinction between dictatorships and democracies is important. The United States is a representative democracy. 

          • Marcy Fleming

             On polls I have seen them many times.
            You do your own research and by the way, try reading books.

          • JohnEngelman

            Then how come 60% of Americans oppose ObamaCare ?             
            – Marcy Fleming
                          
            According to a Gallup poll released on Friday, 46 percent of adults agree with the court’s decision, while another 46 percent disagree. 
            http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/americans-split-on-affordable-care-act-ruling-gallup-poll-finds/ 
             

          • Marcy Fleming

             Polls on the actual law have shown 60% opposed to the 2,000 pages of statist gobbledygook.

          • JohnEngelman

            Polls on the actual law have shown 60% opposed to the 2,000 pages of statist gobbledygook.       
            – Marcy Fleming
                
                 
            Which polls? Quote them, and follow the quotes with web addresses. 

          • Bob

            how come engleman is incapable of answering the important question
            he reminds me of obama
            spouting off nonsensical off topic quotes
            then spewing out the same anti white rhetoric that illogically connects right wing philosophy with dictatorship.
            once he loses an argument he pretends the argument never existed and moves on to another and repeats the same strategy.

          • JohnEngelman

            how come engleman is incapable of answering the important question. 
            – Bob
                 
                
            What is the important question?  

          •  See, Engelman.  “Bob,” who seems to be new here, and seems to be allergic to capitalization, makes you for anti-white.  I’m just sorry that it took me so long to pick up on it, and that I ever considered Anon12 and Bobster to be kooky when they said you were, and I owe both of them an apology.

  • anarchyst

    Our country is dead . . . the next best thing that could happen would be for one of our “enemies” to nuke washington dc when all three branches of government are in session.  Let’s not forget the “czars” and the unelected “bureaucrats” who wield their “heavy hand” over the productive citizens of MY country.  Especially the “alphabet” agencies such as epa, dea, doe, etc . . . and all the “dual-nationality” types that have hijacked MY country . . .
    It’s long overdue to “reboot” the country . . .
    As American citizens, we no longer matter . . . the benefits and perks go to minorities and illegal aliens.  Our so-called “government” has refused to assist Arizona in dealing with their illegal immigration problem and has sued Florida for purging its voter rolls of ineligible voters.  Insanity rules the roost . . .

    • Bob

      the only possible savior could come from one of america’s many enemies that our “leader’s” have started conflict with in our unprovoked record of assaulting any country that we feel like in order to essential “exercise” our armed forces. I think the reason why we are so willing to go to war is to stay on top of military strategy and technology.

  • Kungfoochimp

     And ironically now the tables are turned with us being oppressed by the Jewish-led progressives/communists.

    • rosy14

      As they were trying to do in Germany and other European countries (France, Spain, Hungary, Italy,…), before someone arrived and stopped them.

      • Bob

        lol so true
        hitler threw a big wrench in their plans for communist world domination
        that is why they hate him so much and make millions of movies about how “stupid/evil” he “was” lol

  • alastairabbacle

    It is because left-wingers generally believe that the government is a better friend than the whims of private business.  

    In my view, socialism can only work with a nationally unified population.  
    Socialism works with homogenous and tightly-knit populations, not like the fractured, spaced-out population of the USA.

    • rosy14

      It doesn’t work even with suck kind of population (see Sweden).

    • Marcy Fleming

       It doesn’t work anywhere at anytime with anyone.
      Read Socialism by Ludwig Von Mises.
      Ignore the Schikelgrubber Fan Club.

      • alastairabbacle

        http://mises.org/quotes.aspx?action=subject&subject=Socialism

        “If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.”

        Here lies the catch: Northern peoples such as Scandinavians ARE less morally fallible and weak. Thus, different peoples will respond differently to socialism.

        As a corollary, peoples originating in lands which demand a penchant for opportunism as a opposed to altruism, such as South Africa or Pakistan, absolutely CANNOT function under socialism.

        http://mises.org/document/2736
        Good link to Mises though, I will consider it. It would be interesting to gradiate theories of von Mises with human biodiversity theory.

        The late 20th century delusion of “people are people” is coming to an end.
        Along with it will have to fall much of economic theory, which presupposes this same suppression of human diversity.

        The blog “Those Who Can See” says it yet better, in this entry “Building a Better Currency Union”

        “Like so many policy domains, international economic policy in the West has fallen victim to the Late Twentieth Century Delusion: ‘People are people.’
        Foreign policy was once the playground of race realists at every level. ”

        http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2012/04/building-better-currency-union.html

  • I read something that said by making this an official tax bill it will be easier for congress to repeal it. Does that sound probable? Could that be Roberts’ ulterior motive?

    • MikeofAges

       Maybe not. By established protocol, the Supreme Court can only rule on the constitutionality of a tax after it begins to be collected. The levying by the federal government of a fixed amount directly on an individual is prohibited by the capitation clause. Perhaps the court will take up this issue later.

      The Supreme Court clearly opened the door to the establishment of a universal health insurance system, but one that has to be funded by legal taxes. Employers who provided a health benefit or persons who purchased their own insurance would be given a credit against those taxes.

    • Robert11110

      Justice Roberts could have decided against it and the whole thing would have fell apart without having to find the necessary votes to repeal it. 

  • Kungfoochimp

     Tonight is a good night to re-read Harrison Bergeron.

  • Kungfoochimp

     The goal is eliminate/impoverish the white middle class.  Equality for progressives never meant bringing up the bottom.  They would not have used $15T of your money to enslave a voting base in permanent poverty via welfare if this were not the case.  I know some of them are dumb but they’ve got 40 years of broken homes, drug abuse, and crime statistics to show what a nightmare their policies create.  It’s the preferred status for their constituency – ignorant, poor, and easily controlled.

    Go on the USDA website sometime and look at the herculean initiatives they are undertaking to sign up more slaves.  They note that unfortunately “personal pride” and “shame” still remain reasons that they can’t snag that last 10-15%.  Some of the radio spots they are playing in CA and TX right now are so over the top they leave you speechless….well the ones in English anyway.  I can’t understand most of them.   Are we at >50% pay no taxes yet?

    Just gotta get rid of those remaining bitter clingers by letting the Orwell death panels do some zip code statistics and demographics…. and *finally* snag those guns.  Then you’ll see some magic. 

    • “easily controlled” being the key words here.  Non-whites can be controlled were there people around with the Back Bone to do it.  This does not include being mean, it means saying NO to expectations and demands.

  • KenelmDigby

    Virtually every advanced, high income nation on earth apart from the USA has some form of compulsory, state-backed, universal health care system. The USA is the outlier. This seems to be a generalized trend in the progress of a society and nation state, in terms of income and development, that a national health system is instituted.
     To put it bluntly, this trend has been bucked in the USA because the USA was the first major nation to go in for multi-racialism. Multi-racialism and public goods are simply incompatible.
       A lesson that advanced nations with permissive immigration policies must learn.

    • rosy14

      This seems to be a generalized trend in the progress of a society and
      nation state, in terms of income and development, that a national
      health system is instituted.

      It’s not a NATURAL trend. It happens only when Governments shift left and left. And the long term results are awful (see NHS major problems in UK, in Italy, France, and so on so forth).
      Average waiting times for some diagnostic visits and procedures in Lombardy, the Italian region with the best public health system: a cardiologist’s visit 30 days, an abdominal ultrasound scan 4-12 months, a CT scan in cancer follow up 3-6 months, a surgical operation for cataratta 3-6 months, idem for hip replacements…

    •  I’m skeptical re the 1st part. Whole my life I’m living in a universal health care system. IMO, it’s good- actually excellent- for minor ailments & some other cases. But, when things become complicated, the typical situation is-you have to wait for – operation, treatment, examination,..- too long. Since my school pals are MDs in a few areas (radiology, various types of surgery, endocrinology, ..), a few times I needed help- I just pulled strings & was examined the next day, not having to wait 5 months.

      Private clinics are expensive, but you get what you want immediately. That’s why more & more people who do have regular insurance are going to them- in public sector, you sometimes have to wait from 4 months to more than a year.

    • Marcy Fleming

       The US has been right not to join the mindless statist countries in this area.
      Most people immigrated here to get away from Europe, not emulate them.

  • rosy14

    In US nurses perform pleural cavity drainage ? In Europe only DOCTORS can and are legally allowed to do this !

    • HenryHolliday

      I don’t know if this is still true, but at one time the VA was one of several federal agencies who hired graduates of the “voodoo” medical schools, in the Caribbean and other places where the training was inferior and the standards, both for admission and graduation, much lower. Most of them can’t get a license to be a real MD here. 

  • Southern__Hoosier

    More like manna from white taxpayers.

  • “This is manna from heaven,” says black congressman.

    I guess that makes White people God, then.

  • ed91

    it would surely be lower, unless you count the sales tax they pay at ‘da liker sto.’

  • ed91

    you are refering to federal tax………….  all pay sales tax etc……..

    only half make enough to pay fed tax

  • Exactly. It can work where society is culturally/racially homogeneous. Otherwise …

    • Marcy Fleming

       No, it can’t because no form of statism can work. Read Mises’ Human Action and Rothbard’s Economic Controversies.
      Read The New Totalitarians by Roland Huntford, 1970, which demonstrated that Sweden was a Big Brother totalitarian state back then with powers to even tell you what color your house must be.
      Socialism is the real problem including all its New Deal variants.
      It didn’t work in National Socialist Germany despite some myths circulated by Mark Weber, the Hitler groupie who runs IHR.org.

      • The__Bobster

        The pilgrims tried socialism and almost starved to death.

        http://www.libertyunderfire.org/2011/11/1430/

      • It can & it did. I’ve lived through all phases of it. In all areas, from dentistry to geriatrics. Although the result is tragic, my friend’s infant son, who was diagnosed with adrenal gland cancer ca. 6 yrs ago, when he had been 3 yrs old, was successfully treated (medications, operations) for 5 yrs- during the period contacted specialists in Italy, Germany, US & Canada just shrugged their shoulders. He was cured, but 5 yrs after the first cancer, he got brain cancer & died in his 8th year. But, all was paid by health insurance & his parents were not financially ruined during  ordeal that lasted 5 years.
        I could tell numerous stories of people restored to health, men & women of average or meager financial means who would have succumbed to their illnesses in other circumstances. In sum- welfare state for normal population is absolutely successful & functional.
        BUT, it has some weak points: in past 20-30 years, medical technology has advanced & numerous costly checkups have become accessible to everyone. Simply, the whole business of “keeping people healthy” is now much costlier than in, say, 1970s. Examples of my friends & acquaintances who got well & are now healthy, without any financial strain, include- non-Hodgkin lymphoma, various heart surgical procedures, all types of diabetes & hypertension, psychiatric disorders like borderline personality disorder & suicide attempts etc. On the other hand, a cousin of mine had to wait 4 months for ordinary prostate ultrasound exam.

        So- it’s not simply yes or no.

        • Marcy Fleming

          It never worked. Central Planning has been a nonstop disaster whether under Nixon’s price controls or the Socialist Bloc or the Third World.
          As far as socialism it is yes or no, you can’t be a little pregnant.
          Ever since Medicare the US has moved to the point where medicine is 60% under government but 100% would be much worse. People with serious health problems or needed surgery in Canada come here.

        • It worked in Sweden, France etc. Call it “socialism” or flat earth, it works. BUT- in racially/ethnic homogeneous countries.

  • After doing some research, I’m convinced Roberts is trying to help the Republicans.

     Obamacare has been defined as a “tax.” Obama promised that no one making under $250,000 would see a tax increase. All the Republicans have to do is make it clear, Obamacare=tax increase. Mitt has already said he will repeal it, therefore if the American people want to do away with Obamacare, they must vote Republican. Its a pyrrhic victory for the Democrats. Their law was validated, but clearly defined as a tax increase, something they do not want to stand behind on an election year.

    • Epiminondas

      No.  See this… http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304058404577494400059173634.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

      • Interesting. But, if so- what’s the motivation (except blackmail) ? I don’t buy it that Roberts “succumbed to pressure”.

    • ncpride

      Well, one thing is for sure… as I was watching the most rabid liberals hoot ‘n holler over this ‘victory’ on the news, they absolutely would not discuss the fact that Obamacare was ruled as a tax.

      Thing is though, over the years I’ve completely lost any faith in the Republicans to do a thing to stop the destruction of this country, and are often complicit in our racial demise.

  • Real or imagined ? From PUA site Chateau Heartiste:

     
    It wasn’t a betrayal. It was a stroke of genius.

    Do you really think Roberts gave away the makings of a 5-4 majority
    over a narrowly applicable principle about the congressional power to
    tax? The tax upholding was jurisprudential cover to keep the act intact
    while striking down all the foundational justifications for it.

    I’m not surprised the conservative press mob missed this angle: they
    are becoming as mediocre and mindlessly partisan as the mainstream news.
    The conservative media are conditioned like good boys to automatically
    accept the leftist’s spin on everything, just because the left is
    relentless and murders internal dissent with extreme prejudice.

    Roberts deftly maneuvered his court (he is the Chief, after all) to
    preserve the issue for the election. The transformation of our country
    into a European social democracy is not anything one judge can save us
    from. It can only be resolved at the ballot.

    Legal alpha JRob at work. Do not disturb what you do not comprehend.

    • Marcy Fleming

       So you can read his mind ? What a genius ! It would be nice if you turn out to be right but since Romney put in the same plan in Massachusetts some of us are skeptical.
      It would have been much if they had struck the law down.

  • rfenwich

    I owe negroes nothing at all, nothing!!!!!

  • Marcy Fleming

     Good point and working for the government is the same thing as paying no taxes since these people are really tax burdens.

  • Shawn_thefemale

     Most will eventually do as ChinaMart does and whittle away their full-time people to a massive staff of nothing but part-timers, which will exempt the requirements. So we’re further back than at square one. The body slams to White Americans and their America are coming at warp speed.

  • The__Bobster

    And the hundreds of goonions who lobbied for Obongocare.

  • The__Bobster

    No, you’re correct. Read the 2700-page bill. It’s even worse than you imagined. There is a requirement for training and hiring AA doctors right in it.

  • Shawn_thefemale

    I admit to being rather thick-headed at times, but how is ‘paying for healthcare’ going to be an improvement and more beneficial for all those deadbeat, live-off-the-gubment medicaid recipients who are already getting free healthcare on the backs of working stiffs? If, through this decree, they’re deemed by the IRS “too poor to pay” for their insurance, what changes for them? Why, other than the Black King won, is this a victory for them?

    • IMO, there is something about this:
      http://news.yahoo.com/time-side-conservatives-feel-betrayed-john-roberts-223111651.html

      But whatever usefulness the “tax” line is for Republicans in 2012,
      remember that Roberts is only 57; he will be the Chief Justice for a
      long, long time — no matter who wins in 2012. Those looking to the
      longer game that Roberts is playing note that even though his decision
      left Obamacare largely intact, his rejection of the commerce clause as
      the basis of government regulation may serve as precedent for decades.
      As George Will writes,
      Roberts may have turned back Constitutional law back to the 1960s and
      revived the “venerable” (to Will, Roberts, and other small-government
      conservatives) tradition “of viewing congressional actions with a
      skeptical constitutional squint, searching for congruence with the
      Constitution’s architecture of enumerated powers.” Ron Brownstein,
      editorial director of National Journal, thinks the clock may have been
      wound even further in reverse, telling our John Hudson at the Aspen Ideas Festival,
      “This is probably the most important restriction on the commerce clause
      since the decisions of the 1930s.” Time will tell what impact this
      decision has on the shape of the government—and Roberts has plenty of
      time.  

  • WhitesRdumb

     If you buy a candy bar you are usually paying a tax. 50% paying taxes means that 50% steal everything they have.

  •  Remember, Bush had to be dragged into Alito.  He originally wanted Harriet Miers (“Jurisprudence For Dummies”) into that slot. 

  • redfeathers

    And the unions.

  • redfeathers

    Another good deal for them…free ambulance service.  Ever notice how minorities will call 911 for minor medical situations.  And why not, they never get a bill for it.

  • JohnEngelman

    One of the most popular myths is that welfare is a serious drag on the economy. Actually, it barely registers on the radar screen. The most vilified form of welfare is Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), which allegedly gives poor mothers a financial incentive to avoid work and have babies. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined federal and state budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent. Both programs cost $24.9 billion each, comprising 1 percent each of the combined federal, state and local budget of $2,487 billion. (1)                                                             Comparing the size of federal AFDC to other federal programs puts a great deal in perspective:                                                    Federal AFDC Expenditures as Compared to Federal Spending in Other Areas (1993) (2)
    Agency $ billions
    ————————–
    AFDC 12
    Medicaid 76
    Medicare 131
    Defense 281
    Social Security 305

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-runawaywelfare.htm

    • NM156

      Uh huh, and you left out the $5000 EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit), which is a payout for low-income earners, a gift that has nothing to do with income tax deductions; low-income child tax credits; Medicaid; Section 8 housing vouchers; Federal block grants to low-income areas; state welfare benefits; billions in student aid for single mothers, aid denied to far more worthy students; and massive federal aid for education in low-income areas. All of the aforementioned exceed your bill, in total, by a half trillion dollars per annum.

    • Marcy Fleming

       All of those expenditures that you list are government welfare paid for by taxing (stealing) from those who have to give it to others. No one ever
      claimed that AFDC was the major expenditure or the major point of government welfare.
      So take your DNC talking points and go to a more compatible ideological site.

      • JohnEngelman

        Civilization is impossible without government. Government is impossible without taxes. 
         

        •  Straw dog.  I doubt Marcy Fleming or much of anyone on AR argues from an anarchist standpoint.

        • Marcy Fleming

           No, quoting old statist hacks like Ollie Holmes won’t do.
          Civilization is much better without taxes as they constitue a burden that shortens everyone’s life and is a per se of force against noncriminals. Whether government could be run without taxes or not is more questionable as is the premise that the sole legitimate functions of government,
          defense, police, courts need to be run by a single monopoly.
          You would not interested in the following but for readers here who actually read books and not just web links & polls, Murray Rothbard has three outstanding works.
          For A New Liberty which how society can without government,  The Ethics Of Liberty which describes the philosophical underpinnings of such a society and the recently published Economic Controversies, almost 1,000 pages of the best essays on political economy in the last 120 years.
          Amazon, Abe Books, Halfcom, the Mises Institute all sell them.
          Rothbard is far more comprehensive and much better than the much more highly publicized Ayn Rand.
          He was also a realist on the race issue unlike Rand.
          So if you want something more in depth than DNC talking points, Gallup Polls, Paul Krugman and the shrinking NY Times he is where it’s at.

  • ed91

    this will not be heaven…………  not even close…….

    but don’t believe me, learn the hard way…………..

  • JohnEngelman

    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – July 7, 2008 – Several recent surveys by Harris Interactive®, including the latest Financial Times/Harris Poll, asked an identical question of cross-sections of adults in ten developed countries about their own health care systems. This research finds that the United States has the most unpopular system:

    ·         Fully 33 percent of Americans believe that the American system “has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it”, and a further 50 percent think that “fundamental changes are needed to make it work better”;
    ·         In the other nine countries those who believe they need to completely rebuild their systems vary from only nine percent in The Netherlands and 12 percent in Spain to 15 percent in France, 17 percent in New Zealand, 18 percent in Australia and 20 percent in Italy; all well below the 33 percent in this country.
    http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/FinancialTimesHarrisPolls/tabid/449/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1512/ArticleId/192/Default.aspx 
                                                                
    All of the other nine countries have universal health coverage. In no country with universal health coverage is there a popular demand to return to a privately financed system. 

    • ‘All of the other nine countries have universal health coverage. In no
      country with universal health coverage is there a popular demand to
      return to a privately financed system.’

      Yeah and there are a lot less Affirmative Action doctors in those countries who are making all sorts of medical mistakes on White European patients.

      • JohnEngelman

        An assertion like that should be documented. Countries with universal health care have lower infant mortality rates than we do and higher life expectancy.
                                  
        https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html?countryName=United%20States&countryCode=us&regionCode=noa&rank=174#us       
                              
        https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html?countryName=United%20States&countryCode=us&regionCode=noa&rank=50#us         

        • Marcy Fleming

           No, they don’t.  If you discount black mortality & life expectancy we come out ahead.

        • Marcy Fleming

           This is actually in response to your comments a bit above about getting in front of popular causes.
          The New Deal and Great Society are no longer popular causes and they were just as wrong when they were as they are when facing massive opposition now.
          Ergo with the ‘inevitable’ Communism, Marxism and State Socialism, now all in the garbage can of history permanently, soon to be joined by the Democratic Party and the Welfare State.
          You have merely endorsed some more statist particulars coming from the Right which hardly proves that you have ever changed your mind on anything substantial.
          The whole Bell curve theory was hotly disputed in philosophy and psychology long before the book of that name ever came out.
          And the disputants were not political leftists.
          A friend of mine knew Murray at the NBI lectures on Ayn Rand’s philosophy back in the 60s and he found Murray to be really dense.
          He finally got through to Murray the evil of Titles 2 & 7 of the 1964
          Civil Wrongs Act but it was major dentistry.
          The late Hernnstein was a much brighter person.
          Anyway, let’s stop your endless, pompous self-congraluation as it is undeserved as you are wrong 99.99% of the time.

          • JohnEngelman

            The New Deal and Great Society are no longer popular.            
            – Marcy Fleming                       

            Some Great Society programs were disappointing. Nevertheless, Medicare is overwhelmingly popular even among most Tea Party activists. The basic reforms of the New Deal, including Social Security, minimum wage, and unemployment compensation, have always had broad popular support. 
                       
            Republican politicians fearfully refer to Social Security and Medicare as “the third rail.” They have learned that when they touch them they get a horrible shock.

          • Marcy Fleming

             As the recent Presidential Commission showed both SS and Medicare are going bankrupt as they have tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded obligations.
            They will either have to raise the age to 70 or higher, greatly cut back benefits or greatly increase the already high regressive SS & Medicare taxes.
            The day of reckoning for the Welfare State is coming exactly as Mises’ predicted in Human Action, the exhaustion of the reserve fund.
            Except there never has been any SS fund, it’s all kept afloat through current taxes and now 50% of all US people pay no federal taxes.
            The liars of the Left from Krugman to Chomsky won’t be able to disguise this crisis much longer.
            Third rails are the first things that should be tackled, not mindless pandering to people’s fears and prejudices as the Democrat Party has done for 70 years.

    • Marcy Fleming

       Not true, most Canadians, Brits and others in the hell of socialized medicine want it changed, I’ve met too many to think otherwise. The only things these agenda driven polls show are the large number of economic & political illiterates & the large number of immoral people who want to steal from their neighbors.. The doctor is not your slave is not a right.

      People here are not interested in rigged establishment polls, they are interested in doing what  is right, an alien concept to the misnamed ‘liberal’ degenerates.

      • JohnEngelman

        Opinions are very nice, but we need to have facts to achieve anything. Because you refuse to accept facts compiled by credible sources it is pointless to try to reason with you. You believe whatever you want to believe. 

        •  So saith the AR regular who is probably the second most impervious to reason (behind only Whiteplight).

          I think the best thing for you to do is to repeat here what you’ve said in e-mails to Bon of Babble.  That way, it will be confirmed to everyone what some people have thought about you all along, theories which I thought were wacko and way out there.  And don’t use the excuse that you were drunk, because it’s as the Romans used to say, In Vino Veritas.

          • JohnEngelman

            How am I impervious to reason? I draw logical conclusions from facts that I document. 

          •  Have you ever changed your mind about anything substantial as a result of one of us arguing with you?  Why do you think Bon won’t read your e-mails to her anymore, aside from the fact that you exposed yourself as anti-white as Anon12, Bobster and others think you really were all along?  Hell, that unstable nutcase Robert Kelly (now posting here and on SBPDL as 10mm Auto), who loves the equally unstable nutcases Glenn Beck and the whack job Nut Gingrich, convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt  that Kobe Bryant committed rape, while before I was undecided.

          • JohnEngelman

            Have you ever changed your mind about anything substantial as a result of one of us arguing with you? 
            – Question Diversity
                 
            I have learned from the articles and news stories posted here. I have also learned from comments posted here. 

            What I have learned from those who argue with me – and many of their arguments consist of little more than flame attacks – is that they dislike anyone who is not a white Gentile of European descent, and that they would like to repeal the civil rights legislation. 
             
            Many entertain fantasies of deporting everyone who is not a white Gentile, creating white only enclaves, and so on. It will not happen. 
             
            Those who argue with me represent a segment of America, even white America, that is in decline. 
             
            I agree with Jared Taylor in believing that immigration, especially third world immigration, should be curtailed. I think taboos against mentioning black social pathology should be lifted. I believe books like “The Bell Curve” should be defended and popularized. 
             
            A political movement wins by getting in front of popular issues. It loses by continuing to fight for for causes that lost decisively in the past. 
             

          • Marcy Fleming

             You have never made any serious argument. You merely cite polls on what other people believe which does not prove the validity of anything.
            Polls are not a factual documentation of whether a policy is good or bad, only of how many boobs have fallen for some politician’s lies at any given time.
            Someone once said that you would need an issue the size of The New Republic just to document all the lies in any given issue of that rag from domestic policies to the MidEast.
            Same principle in a much abbreviated form applies to you.

        • Marcy Fleming

           You don’t have any facts. Opinion polls are opinions, period.
          Since they can be wrong or rigged or slanted and since people
          can be and often are wrong, polls don’t show whether a system is
          good or moral or working as advertised.
          Polls are not credible sources, I have met too many Brits, Canadians,
          Frenchpeople, Israelis, Cubans and others who have fled from socialized medicine to have to pay attention to anonymous polls.
          Your last sentence is pure projection.

          • JohnEngelman

            My last sentence is demonstrated by just about everything you post. 

          • Marcy Fleming

             No, you have only proven that you have no arguments and are so weak intellectually that you have to rely on other people’s opinions, whether informed or not.
            All those polls tell us is what the 1,000 or so people polled either think or what they think the omnipotent others believe.
            Not an argument nor a validation of anything.

        • Bob

          ummmm hypocrite much
          it’s called practicing what you preachand you do none of the practicing only the prescribing

          • JohnEngelman

            Unlike others here I document my assertions. 

          • Marcy Fleming

             Polls are not documentation of anything, only of what a very small group of people polled believe at a given time.
            Moderator, if you are going to remove a comment critical of Engelman’s nonreasoning may I suggest that you remove Engelman’s response as well ?
            It’s hardly reasonable just to let his response stand without knowing the original criticism.
            Frankly if you deleted all of Engelman’s posts it would markedly improve the intellectual climate here.

      • Fredrik_H

        In my country of Sweden it’s not as much as people want it changed, it is just the economic realities of having a large influx of immigrants from MENA countries that just are taking from the system and not giving anything back  is starting to kick in. 

        The health care system is buckling under the weight and it is begining to show in various international rankings. We are moving towards privatized medicine, no matter one’s opinion of it.

      • Marcy Fleming

         I meant to say health care is not anyone’s right. I don’t know if that editing error was done by me or the moderator.

    • People from all over the world come here for medical treatments, even presidents and kings. Large government bureaucracies are inherently wasteful and inefficient, healthcare is no different. Most people that live in countries with socialized medicine have never experienced privatized medicine.

      • JohnEngelman

        How many people come here? Document your assertion. 

        • Marcy Fleming

           There are no official stats on this, they don’t ask this at immigration as a rule and it would be impossible just to sort that reason from the general run. Most people would not want to disclose their medical condition to
          bureaucrats at borders so your very query here is disingenuous.
          I know many personally who have come just from Canada alone  and people here on this thread who work in Detroit medicine have verified this.

  • ‘I’d say this is more like 1936–three years plus into the regime.’

    At least we still have the second amendment to use for Self-Defense, something the Jews didn’t have.

    • Bob

      except that amendment is going to disappear faster than a white woman in africa

  • WhitesRdumb

     He was a German. The town he came from was annexed by Austria, but it was still German. It is like the German land given to Poland after WWI. Those people were German. Look at Danzig.

    • Marcy Fleming

       True. Austrians are Germans anyway.

  • radical7

    Supreme court justice John Roberts made a very intelligent decision.

  • Bob

    yea wouldn’t that be “equal”

  • Robert11110

    My politics gererally runs to the far right.  When I look back over the decades and see all the changes that have taken place, I can’t help but think that this wouldn’t have been possible unless the right and the left were in cahoots with each other.  Take this healthcare ruling.  A ten year old child knows that it’s unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy health insurance yet Justice Roberts sides with the liberals on the issue and calls it a tax.  Was he bought off or blackmailed as some people are claiming or is the whole left/right paradigm two sides of the same coin that’s working against us?  Or is it something more mundane like a Romney reelection strategy?  It’s well known that Romney doesn’t have the full support of a great deal of conservatives just like McCain in 2008.  Perhaps Roberts thinks he can give him an election year boost and fire up conservatives to vote for this center left candidate. 

  • JohnEngelman

    Forbes 
    5/23/2011 
    Rick Ungar, Contributor
     More Solid Proof That Obamacare Is Working
     
    Recent data provided by the nation’s largest health insurance companies reveals that a provision of the Affordable Care Act – or Obamacare – is bringing big numbers of the uninsured into the health care insurance system.And they are precisely the uninsured that we want– the young people who tend not to get sick.http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/05/23/more-solid-proof-that-obamacare-is-working/        

    • Marcy Fleming

       These are exactly the worthless freeloaders who were too lazy and improvident to get insurance and need to force other people to insure them. The insurance companies are deeply tied in with the state and compulsory insurance legislation benefits them.
      They are as ‘objective’ and ‘non-biased’ as your usual leftist polls and your DNC talking points.

      • JohnEngelman

        The honesty and accuracy of Harris Interactive is not in dispute. The same can be said of the eleven polls listed by Real Clear Politics, each of which shows that Obama is ahead of Romney following the Supreme Court decision. Prior to the decision Romney was winning in several of the polls listed by Real Clear Politics. Among the polls listed by Real Clear Politics are Rasmussen Tracking and FOX News. These also show Obama ahead.
                        
        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html  
                               
        It should be obvious that the Supreme Court decision has increased the President’s chances for reelection.

        • Marcy Fleming

           It’s not obvious at all since the polls you cite are worthless Establishment driven agenda polls.
          And they don’t even show Obama ahead, they show at most a dead heat given their statistical margin of four points error.
          No one here supports Obama but you and everyone else recognizes that he is the worst US President and the most racist.
          As is his Attorney General.
          The honesty of Lou Harris, the Democratic pollster, has been in dispute for decades now, as much disputed as the leftist, slanted New York Times and the utterly discredited Keynesian hack Paul Krugman.
          See LewRockwell.com.
          I know actual people interviewed by Gallup and the question were loaded and agenda driven.
          The bottom line is that polls at most only tell what the thousand or so people being interviewed think at that moment in time.
          Those folks don’t speak for the rest of the country and no polls show the rightness or wrongness of any given policy.

          • JohnEngelman

            The honesty of Lou Harris, the Democratic pollster, has been in dispute for decades now, as much disputed as the leftist, slanted New York Times and the utterly discredited Keynesian hack Paul Krugman.                             
            – Marcy Fleming      
                                 
            The New York Times has for decades been one of the most prestigious newspapers in the English Language. 
                          
            When was Paul Krugman “utterly discredited?” Who did it? How did it happen? In 2008 Paul Krugman won the Nobel Prize for Economics. He is a syndicated columnist for The New York Times. He is also a tenured economics professor at Princeton.     

          • Marcy Fleming

            The NY Times is a huge lie factory on everything from pro-Mao to pro-Castro to pro-Israel and its top editor Herman Dinsmore wrote a book exactly on this over 42 years and it’s gotten much worse.
            Krugman is an inflationist crank and George Reisman has regularly refuted him on his site as have commentators on Lew Rockwell and elsewhere.
            Do your own research here for a change and look this up.

  • JohnEngelman

    All of the polls listed on Real Clear Politics has President Obama ahead.
               
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html     
              
    The Supreme Court decision on ObamaCare, like the killing of Osama bin Laden, and the overthrow of  Muammar Gadaffi, make the President look like a winner. 

    • Marcy Fleming

      The brutal murder of Khaddifi by US supported savages makes Obama look like the street thug he is. Ditto for the cowardly assassination of Bin Laden. The Supreme Court decision is Romney’s biggest hope which is why he raised three million dollars the day it came out. No one here cares about the polls and even they show Obama dead even at best.
      Everyone here except you wants him defeated. I only want him to win so the Left takes the fall when the inevitable crackup of the Nanny State occurs and the Dems
      get hunted down.
      Obama is our worst President in history and is properly hated by everyone on AmRen except you.
      Your DNC talking points fail for the trillionth time.

      • JohnEngelman

        It sounds like you regret the killing of Osama bin Laden. Is that true? 

        • Marcy Fleming

           Yes. It was plain murder, pure and simple.

          • JohnEngelman

            Do you believe that Osama bin Laden was innocent of 9/11? 

          • Marcy Fleming

             No. I don’t like murder of any kind.

  • anarchyst

    The population of Canada is much less than that of the USA.  Therefore, it is much easier to say that their system is better.  I work for a major Detroit
    hospital system and personally see the Canadians come through our system who were extremely grateful for our American system.  They marvel at the ability
    to get almost immediate response and treatment for their conditions, unlike the situation in Canada. Were you aware that private health “insurance” is available and widely used in order  to get away from the government system?As to insurance claims not being paid by American insurers, most of the problem systems are companies who self-insure and use insurance companies as
    claims administrators.  As such, these self-insured companies set the rules, which can be quite a bit more restrictive than the insurance companies’
    normal practices.   Usually a call to human resources gets results . . .
    Major hospitals in border cities have agreements with Canadian provinces to perform medical procedures in the USA that would take MONTHS and even YEARS
    to complete in Canada.Canadian health-care is fine for sprains and bruises, but when life-saving procedures and operations are needed, the waiting lists in Canada amount to a
    death sentence for some patients, most of who are not politically “connected”.Just recently a Canadian government official had surgery in the USA because the wait times in Canada for the procedure would have been life-threatening. 
    The average Canadian citizen does not have the same “option”.If Canadian hospitals run out of funds, they close for the duration of their fiscal year.  There are more CAT scanners in the Detroit metropolitan area
    than in the whole province of Ontario.If you think government health-care is expensive now, wait till it is “free”.
    There are more CAT scanners in the Detroit metropolitan area than in the province of Ontario. Canadian hospitals were using CAT scanners for veterinary
    medicine because the financial renumeration was better.  Of course, there was a public outcry when they were caught.  Imagine a human patient in need of
    a CAT scan that has to wait while someone’s “pet” gets one immediately. So much for Canadian “socialized medicine”.

    •  Remember all the hubbub over the drug reimportation question?  The only reason prescription drugs in Canada are cheaper is because the Canadian government controls their price at retail.  That’s because they collectively negotiate with American pharmas  for good unit prices, and the American pharmas go along not only for good PR, but also because Canada has little more than 10% of America’s population.  But don’t worry, as Canada becomes Canuckistan and Absurdistan and therefore more vibrant, its demand for drugs will be too great, and American pharmas won’t be so generous in negotiations.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        This is how it works:

        The U.S. does all the R & D (research and development) which is tremendously expensive.  It often takes years to get a drug patent approved because the process is so onerous.  All of this costs untold amounts of money, which is reflected in the price of the drug when it finally hits the market in the U.S.

        Meanwhile, years later, after the U.S. has finally approved the drug, the Canadians BUY the formula from the drug company — saving them TONS of money because the R & D has already been done, which is reflected in the price of THEIR drugs.

        The sad thing is, because the US government makes the process so costly and burdensome — and litigation so devastating —   fewer new drugs are coming onto the market.  It’s not worth it.

        This is as TB, gonorrhea, and other bacterial afflictions are becoming increasingly drug resistant.

        Bon

        • Marcy Fleming

           Exactly the point. Thanks.

  • Marcy Fleming

     I was talking about France itself.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Exactly why the Dummycrat Party has pushed this foul concept for 60 years.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Exactly what the New Deal did when they put in minimum wage and exactly the impact that all regulations, local as well as state & federal, have on Black unemployment and they are too stupid to understand it.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Beats me but at least one person on this thread  will.

  •  I think the ideal new paradigm will be a system that is equal parts single payer, private insurance and HSAs.  One thing I wish one of the policy wonks would come up with is collective negotiation — Instead of Medicaid, Medicare, TriCare, etc. paying for each individual service for each individual beneficiary, the Feds should collectively negotiate with each health care provider for a single lump sum total payable by the Feds to them for all available services for all eligible beneficiaries.  Of course, in such a negotiation, the Feds can wield a big stick:  The non-profit statuses of the health care providers involved.  They must also get state licensure for even being in business even if they aren’t non-profit. 

    The idea of the Feds collective negotiating with pharmas for prescription drugs was advanced, but never made it to reality.  Again, the Feds have a big stick to wield here, hypothetically speaking:  The FDA.

    Besides, a lot of big hospitals are nothing more than employment agencies for AA blacks.  Remember Michelle Obama?  My idea might cut away a lot of that useless fat.