Surgical Scars Some See as Racist Provoke South Dakota March

Fox News, May 23, 2012

Hundreds of people marched Monday in support of a man who says the letters KKK were carved into his stomach by a surgeon at a South Dakota hospital.

A YouTube video featuring 69-year-old Vern Traversie, a Lakota man who lives on the Cheyenne River Reservation, has gone viral in Native American communities. In it, Traversie shows a photo of his abdomen. Though he himself is blind, Traversie says he was told by others that the scars left after his heart surgery make out the hateful letters, and he is outraged.

The problem is, not everyone sees it. Like those spotting the Madonna in a water stain, Traversie’s advocates are staunch believers. Those who aren’t include police who investigated his allegations and hospital officials.

Rapid City police say they conducted an investigation but found no evidence of a crime. Craig Saunders, a cardiologist at Barnabas Hospital in Newark, N.J., said incision marks can take many different shapes, depending on where the doctor needs to get into the body. Saunders, who did not operate on Traversie, said surgical tape also can leave scarring and lesions depend on the make-up of the person’s body.

The lack of clear letters hasn’t deterred Traversie, his supporters or those who see the scars as just more evidence of continued mistreatment of Native American people.

“Rapid City . . . we understand you have been carving up our people. This is going to end today,” American Indian Movement founder Dennis Banks said to a roaring crowd before leading the supporters on a more than two-mile long march from a Rapid City plaza to the hospital where the surgery happened .

While Traversie’s story spurred the protest, many in attendance referred to broken treaties, unsolved murders and incarceration rates among Native Americans as their reasons for showing up.

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  • These are the same kind of dim witted dingbats that see Christ in a corn flake.

  • WmarkW

    The kind of people who see racism everywhere without pointing to more than trivial examples of it, are going to find this highly convincing.

  • Natassia

    How do you get scars on your stomach from heart surgery?

    That looks scratched, not something done from a surgical blade or any other sort of instrument.

    • Many laproscopic procedures do involve punching multiple holes into the patient. One might be for inflation air, another for an instrument and a third for the laproscope itself. These short incisions would need to be at angles like see in the photo. Also the surgical tapes used to pull and fix the outer layers of flesh can and do leave scrape-like marking. This is just utter nonsense.
      Edit add: The large vertical scar, does look more like conventional open chest type surgery was performed though.

      • no more laproscopic surgery for minorities, just give them one big K

      • Natassia

        Right, I saw the scar from the open heart surgery.

        Oh, wait. Maybe he had chest tubes for drainage. And maybe there was tape holding them in place.

    • Spartan24708

      I have to wonder if he did it to himself or since he is blind had someone do it to him so that he could sue. Seems like everyone is playing the ghetto lottery these days. 

      • Strider73

         Like the black woman in Texas back in 2001 who carved “KKK” on her chest, then claimed a white gang did it after raping her. Trouble was, all the K’s were backward — because she did it in front of a mirror! (That 85 IQ strikes again!) Even after she admitted making the whole thing up (and police charged her with filing a false report), the local Nazis Appearing As Colored People (NAACP) chapter insisted the original lie was true and demanded a federal investigation.

  • A proper reading of the surgical scars is:

    “This surgery is the product of white ingenuity; it saved your life.”

    • MrGJG

       Post of the day.

  • Now, with the internet EXPOSING HATE FRAUD like “Baby” Trayvon – these vile minorities MAKE UP LIES.

    Beware Goebbels’ “Big Lie” next.

  • Did the Triple-K group ever care that much about American Indians?

    • TomIron361

      Actually, there were American Indian members (American Indians owned black slaves before the war.) of the Reconstruction Klan. Just like all decent men of the time, they knew something had to be done about the blacks (there were black slaveowners before the civil war as well). for that matter, there were plenty of blacks who knew the klan was doing the right thing.

      •  So this means that the K didn’t hate the Indians and vice versa.  That should put the theory of these surgical scars to bed.  Of course it won’t, because they’re playing the powwow lottery.

        • StivD

          The Klan is the coverall for everyone who pretends to be terrified of racism.

  • crystal evans

    Frankly, I see this as the Native American Treyvon Martin. I personally doubt that the marks will be there after the scars totally healed. 

  • Spartan24708

    I agree- it looks scratched or he possibly has some sensitivity to surgical tape or the substance used to clean his skin prior to surgery. He is blind so someone has obviously put him up to it and I do have to wonder if medicare or some other free medical service paid for his very expensive surgery. 

  • Francis Galton

    So now even South Dakota is infected by the Gibs Me Dat industry? This is such a transparent attempt to garner sympathy for those “noble” reds and legally extort funds from the hospital that it’s not even funny.  When I read the headline, I thought I was about to get a Virgin-Mary’s-Face-Found-on-a-Piece-of-Toast story, and I was right.  Due to the power of suggestion, one is already inclined to see those letters before they see the actual photograph.  Personally, I see two K’s at best. 

  • StivD

    Wow, he should be a lot more upset about the sloppy surgery than the supposed “k”s. Did Dr. Magoo do the surgery? 

  • Maybe I need my glasses but I could have sworn those scars read, “This is for Custer you savages!”

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      NOPE!!  It says “Paul is Dead”

  • StivD

    Could it be that each race- bodies/skin-reacts differently to surgery too?

  • How’s that for gratitude?  Save a life, get called an evil klan member as thanks.  I wonder if he even paid any money for this surgery?

    Avoiding all contact with non-whites whenever possible is really the best way to go.

    • sbuffalonative

      When it comes to minorities, it’s the old parable of the  ‘The Scorpion and the Frog’A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of  paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,but has just enough time to gasp “Why?” Replies the scorpion: “Its my nature…”

      You can’t win with these people. You can’t even break even. Any contact that isn’t subservient on your part can be construed as ‘racist’.

      The best thing to do is to avoid any contact. 

  • Ok no more laproscopic surgery for minorities just open them up wide. Then it will take 3 of them to get together to make out KKK

    • 🙂  Funny stuff..

      I was looking at the scars and marks on his chest, and they bear a striking resemblance to the old International Harvester logo (I used to own an old ‘Binder).

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Maybe, maybe not, but I bet the surgeon in question never takes a charity case again, OR an Indian.

  • Yeah…there’s so many active Klansmen these days…a mysterious women tells him to take pictures of what they did…maybe it was the spirit of his elders…there are so many holes in this story.  Go drink some more whiskey old man.  

  • Morons, but of course it’s something to grab on to in order to use it as a tool to gripe about other things and looks for concessions and favorable treatment, it’s a race hustle. And of course there will be a lawsuit and settlement to get everyone to go away.

  • IstvanIN

    And I thought dropping pill bottle cotton balls on the ground was evil, but this takes the cake!

  • Detroit_WASP

    I wonder why he did just have the local medicine man wave a bloody chicken foot over his heart to cure him???

    Funny, when I look at the scars I see the future of America… going down the tubes.   It’s like a magical crystal ball man !

  • Equal opportunity

    Does any rational person believe a doctor would, in a populated operating room, purposely tattoo a patient who he likely didn’t know with of all things KKK?  We have gone mad.  
    Consider a man who is an indigent, gets subsidized, likely free medical care, that saves his life.  Being blind he is told that he is scarred with the improbable KKK from a doctor he hardly knows.  The photos don’t support the claim. Yet the patient asks for compensation.  The only part of the story that makes sense is the patient is looking for a settlement.  The rest is improbable to the point of impossible.

  • MikeofAges

    “The universe is not only stranger than you imagine, but stranger than you can imagine.”

    In a strange universe, this takes the cake.

  • alastairabbacle

    “Rapid City . . . we understand you have been carving up our people. This is going to end today,” American Indian Movement founder Dennis Banks said to a roaring crowd before leading the supporters on a more than two-mile long march from a Rapid City plaza to the hospital where the surgery happened .”And this is why they were conquered….

  • Sherman_McCoy

    All this idiocy makes me WANT to start a local chapter.

    • eunometic

       I wonder if this idiocy will serve to discredit such hate crime hoaxes or hysteria?   Or are there enough stupid people around to go with it?

  • eunometic

    I think I see Orion in there as well.

  • Celestial_Time

    People, Racism is a business. The premise behind attacking the “racists” doesn’t function as a marker for intelligence, common sense, rational thinking, or anything remotely productive that furthers civilization. It’s what dumb and/or desperate people use to fight the truth when they have nothing else.

    You might not be able to read or write, but you can claim Racism to somehow justify your inability to read or write.

    You might not have an ounce of evidence to support your theories, but you can claim Racism and then suddenly everyone forgets that you had nothing to begin with.

    You might not have any job skills, talents, work ethic or even desire to work, but you can sure claim Racism to make a name(and money) for yourself.

    You can even be a certified criminal with nothing but malicious intent in your mind, but you can claim Racism and some group of knuckle-draggers will be ready to defend you and march.

    The most depressing part is that “Hundreds of people marched” for a bogus and obviously contrived claim…Meanwhile, White people are actually being assaulted and killed on a daily basis, and hardly anyone gets off the couch to do anything about it.

    Until you treat this current circus of a civilization as a business, then you will continually fail to produce meaningful results.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Your last sentence seems clever, but it really doesn’t make clear sense.  How can we get meaningful results, the ones we might want as white race realists, when business (profits are made) by making civilization into a circus?

      Are you suggesting that we begin to march for justice for white victims of anti-white violence?  I don’t think that will get anything done for white people, because whenever it has been mentioned in the past, it produces groans and condemnations as continued white oppression.  That’s because we are arrived in a time when whites have nothing to expect but continued and varied forms of deprivation and punishments as the well established evil of civilization in the very civilization they created.  When that can happen, you’ve got to know that the game is over.  All we have as an option is to hunker down and prepare for the collapse.  Then, we might be able to take the right to exist back and reestablish the notion of a white land or lands.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Oh the horror!!! Yeah, the surgeon hated Indians so much, agreed to perform life-saving surgery and yet risked ending his career to carve KKK onto someone’s stomach.

    Al Sharpton needs to be called in to verify, after all he made the same claim that KKK was carved by racist Whites on Tawana Brawley’s stomach.

    I supposed it I squint my eyes hard enough and turn off the lights I could see all kinds of evil messages scrawled out in my bathroom tile!!

    Bon

    • Celestial_Time

      We’re all doomed!! They’ve finally solved the complex racist language, using this guy as their Rosetta Stone. I knew it was only a matter of time before they deciphered it.

  • While Traversie’s story spurred the protest, many in attendance referred
    to broken treaties, unsolved murders and incarceration rates among
    Native Americans as their reasons for showing up.

    That’s contradictory.  If the unsolved murders are solved, this will only mean more Indians in prison.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    I thought American Indians had names like “Running Bear” and “Walks Far Woman”.

    I must say, Dennis Banks is about as Anglo as you can get.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       “I must say, Dennis Banks is about as Anglo as you can get.”

      Are you kidding?  Dennis Banks is NOT blonde, not blue-eyed, and he hates Anglo-Saxons and everyone of European descent with a passion.  Read up on him.

      • Celestial_Time

         You’re taking things a little too literal. He was referring to the origin of a name like Dennis Banks, not the actual man.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          We whites ought to be able to write clearly in our language and not require “interpretation.”  I read what was written and had no reason to infer anything beyond what he wrote.   Do you really think that he is not capable of articulating a reply himself?  Maybe, because you feel you must interpret his words for me.

          • Celestial_Time

             Actually, the sentence made perfect sense to me, and certainly required no interpretation. With a sentence that contained the phrase “names like” while comparing the man’s name, then how on earth did you take the very next sentence to be something literal? There were two sentences. Two!

            Most of us don’t need training wheels to understand context. I sucked at English; I went to a Memphis City Public School….and even I understand context. So why exactly are you acting like it would take a rocket scientist and gibberish translator to understand a two sentence post?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Even loyalwhitebriton admitted the faulty writing.  Your reply reeks of vainglorious motivation.  Look it up.

            I don’t need a flunkie to explain how he turns a plain situation upside down to defend himself.  As a white you ought to master your own language  and not try to teach your admitted poor version to your betters.

          • Celestial_Time

            “master your own language”

            I came away with the proper message, you did not…
            You were tripped up with two sentences…

            One of us has mastered enough of a language to take away the correct meaning of written text using proper context.

            I find it a little funny how a self-proclaimed “better” of mine needs to be given further instructions on proper context when I certainly didn’t. Context. Look it up.

      • loyalwhitebriton

        Celestial_Time is right. I was referring to Banks’ somewhat Anglo name; I had already pre-supposed that was not actually Anglo.
        Why do Amerindians have Anglo names? They should at least change their names to something more traditionally Indian.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I wasn’t looking to take an opportunity to criticize you.  But your sentence wasn’t all that clear.  I wanted to make sure you realized who Dennis Banks really is.

           If you are English then you know that you did not infer that in the sentence you wrote.  I read the sentence to mean what it said as it was written.  If you want the meaning you claim now, you ought to have written;  “A name like (such as) Dennis Banks is about as Anglo as you (one) can get.” 

          Now don’t criticize me for correcting English use, not on this site because preserving white culture and heritage is the point of it.  That would include the English language.  Many posters here mangle the language while criticizing non-whites for the same thing or related things.

          Dennis Banks, like many Amerinds is NOT purely Amerind.  Most Amerinds today have some white in them.    But you will also find that they have tribal names as well.  I am not sure about Dennis Banks, I would think that his hatred of whites would require him to use only his tribal name.  Do a search on him, you’ll learn a lot about the American Indian Movement.

          You’ve also hit on a point that irritates me more and more.  It seems as if non-whites increasingly are assuming white identities.  To me at least, it is beginning to feel almost eerie, like an old science fiction film where aliens take over human bodies.  It seems to be part of a larger conspiracy to eliminate whites in fact, hiding it as part of the  camouflage used for ID theft and assumption of property, wealth, etc.  They even darken down the characters in films now to confuse or diminish the quality of whiteness in appearance.  Notice that?

          If you want to read more on the 19th century and Indian history as it
          relates to whites get a copy of “A Fate Worse than Death,” by Michno.  
          It’s about whites taken into captivity by Indians. 

          • loyalwhitebriton

            You’re right, I could have written my comment more clearly. I was being sardonic, whereas I should have been more specific, perhaps?.
            Anyway, the meaning of my comment was about the incongruity of an Amerindian having what is actually a very Anglo name.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             No problem.  Most posters here usually put a not like (sarcasm) after such sentences.  But it didn’t seem sarcastic or sardonic to me as it was.  I think people often write what they are thinking, take short cuts assuming that others will be in their same mind frame when they read it.  It doesn’t always happen.  I’ve been in so many places in the world and at one time was nearly fluent in several languages other than English.  Once you’ve done that and lived in a place where when English is spoken, you have to listen to what they say carefully and interpret, you learn to never assume a meaning without clarity.  Especially if you are taking medical notes, as I often was…  no harm.

            But if you get a copy of the book I recommended, you will be amazed, I encourage you to do that. 

            And good luck, I’m on your side, you know?

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Whiteplight;

            I own that book and it is excellent — I highly recommend it to everyone here to get the other side of the story.
            Bon

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             That’s great!  We need to get all the regular posters to acquire and read this important book.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Wow!  The Holy Grail of Racism has been spotted!  This proves EVERYTHING!

    Seriously folks, while I lived in the Balkans working in health care delivery, I learned that the men their like to be left with big surgical scars in every case because it is considered macho to have nasty post surgical scarring.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Now, all those of you who were falling over themselves supporting Amerind artists last week, have a reality check to consider.  If you don’t know who Dennis Banks is, I recommend schooling up on his bio, it’s important to be informed about him as he represents the modern radical American Indian Movement since the 1960s.

    PS You can see him in the film “The Last of the Mohicans” 1990 as The Last Mohican.

    PSS (There are still plenty of Mohicans.  There is a reservation in Upper New York State).

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     They are, they are…  just watch the tv trial room shows for a couple days.

  • I’m gonna change my name to Krazy Komma Karla and nickname myself, KKK.