Black Pilots Sue United over Bias Claims

KTVU (San Francisco), May 30, 2012

Nearly two dozen black pilots for United Airlines filed a federal discrimination lawsuit claiming few minority workers are promoted to upper management at the world’s largest air carrier.

The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.

Those managers are often excluded from social gatherings, informal email chains and other forums where company issues are discussed, the legal action states.

United vowed Wednesday to vigorously defend itself against the allegations made by 22 pilots in the lawsuit filed Tuesday in federal court in San Francisco.

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The pilots are seeking an end to the alleged discrimination, back pay and other damages.

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  • Francis Galton

    I would LOVE to see a statistical breakdown of plane crashes by race of the pilot.  I’m sure it would be very revealing.  Regardless, I would feel quite uncomfortable riding in a plane with a black pilot at the helm.  

    • chuck_2011

       in my limited experience I have never seen a black pilot….somehow I can understand why they do not inspire confidence in passengers….black pilots simply have too much baggage(no pun intended) so who wants to see them? As for upper management positions blacks do not make good managers anywhere….

    • Hirschibold

       Those statistics are sealed in the same vault with MLK’s FBI file, Obama’s college records, and the Ark of the Covenant from Indiana Jones.

    • Joshua50

       I imagine most Black people would be afraid too, and justly so! LOL

    • Dan

       I would refuse to board a plane that I knew had a black pilot. There’s no way I would allow my family to get on one either. Same thing for a surgeon or lawyer.

  • AlbertSwearengen

    “The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted
    simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.”

    Of course they were. If blacks were promoted based on qualifications… then they wouldn’t be promoted.

  • MekongDelta69

    In the last 48 years since the “Great[sic] Society”, there have been millions of stories about minorities’ bad behavior. On AmRen alone (never mind all the other sites which don’t cower in fear of being called ‘racist’), there have been – what? – tens of thousands (more?) stories, both online and in the hard copy (which I miss getting btw).

    There are so many, that once in a blue moon, I almost feel as if some of them are so ludicrous, they just HAD to be made up. However since I grew up in a couple of bad neighborhoods in NYC, I know first-hand none of them were (or are) made up.

    There is absolutely NOTHING a lot of non-white people won’t think, say, do, complain about, bitch, moan, whine, etc., etc., ad infinitum. NOTHING.

    They will NEVER be satisfied. Not even if WE were all dead – because then they’d complain that WE aren’t there anymore to fix all of their screw-ups and the fact that they’d have nobody at whom they could scream ‘racism’, abuse, rob, assault, rape, kill, and you name it.

    Thank God I was born in the best 20 year period America had, when it was the greatest country in the history of this planet. At least I (and all the people who grew up around the same time) not just heard about how amazing it was, but we LIVED through it.

    In the last 48 years, guilt-ridden, self-loathing white leftists have given thousands of years of Western Civilization away. Flushed it completely down the toilet.

    And I’m supposed to care what some non-white’s ‘problems’ are? Hardly.

    I care about the world my kids and grandkids have to live in, where they have to worry about how non-whites’ criminal and deviant and devolutionary behavior will affect them every day – and they won’t be able to do a damn thing about it because they will be in the minority and there won’t be any guilt-ridden, self-loathing NON-WHITE leftists and ‘majority activists’ around to wallow in pity for them.

    One day, this country will be a third world country… With nukes…

    •  Hey Mekong how about the story of two blacks in detroit that got into a GUNFIGHT over who makes Kool-Aid better!  Truth is stranger than Fiction every damn time!

      http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/two-shot-in-detroit-after-argument-over-kool-aid

      • MekongDelta69

        Yeah – I saw that one too. Unfortunately, I could supply you with so many other links, AmRen’s site would literally be crushed under the weight. It would be like Apollo 13.

      • I must be doing something wrong I thought you just added water, maybe there is something to this dieversity. Nevermind better kool aid cant be worth it

    •  You have the same view as I.

      Won’t it be a goddamned shame, that all the vile liberals who raped America – like LBJ and Ted Kennedy

      won’t be around to suffer the agonies their policies wrought.

      • Major

        ” all the vile liberals who raped America…”

        Just pray that one day the pendulum will swing the other way…it has to. Cause this is of their making..and it has to turn on them…and it’ll be way to late for them to apologize that the diversity utopia nightmare that they created….will now destroy them too. Let’s hope they suffer horribly for the havoc and chaos they’ve heaped on America. Hopefully at the hands of their diversified test subjects.

        • Looking at Today’s Internet Audience, that is a futile wish. Still, a noble wish, but there’s no one to fulfill that vengeance.

          There was no revolution in Rome to end the folly of the ruling class and their incompetence.

          Just collapse. If you have any ideas, email me.

  • JohnEngelman

    If a black person complains about job discrimination the burden of proof should be on that black person that he was discriminated against on the basis of race alone. 

  • APaige

    That is alot of black pilots for one airline!  I want them all to be promoted to upper-upper management and far away from the cockpit. I want to see the list of every airline on the race of the pilots so I can fly with diversity in mind. (wink wink)

  • sgmpalm

    If there’s a few things that scare me, its the following:
    Black pilot
    Black surgeon
    Black nurse
    Black neighbor
    Blacks,,,period.
    Blacks not only have a low median IQ, but have a historical grudge against Whites. The races need to be separated. I’ve seen enough statistics to make me an advocate of repatriation of Blacks to Africa in this modern day.

    • Blacks,,,period  – yea especially since a black man would rather eat anouther mans face like down in Maimi than a black woman.

  • The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted
    simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.

    Would you trust them with real responsibility?  Most high level corporate blacks are within the diversity or HR or personnel departments.

  • Church_of_Jed

    The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.

    We agree. There’s no way the blacks EARNED those jobs like the Whites did who were denied their due opportunity.

    Remember in Devil’s Advocate when John Milton explains his grand plan?

    “Did you know there are more students in law school than lawyers walking the Earth? We’re coming out… guns blazing! The two of you… all of us, acquittal after acquittal after acquittal… until the stench of it reaches so high and far into Heaven, it chokes the whole f***ing lot of them!”

    That’s the Diversity Plan. Saturate all White neighborhoods, schools, churches, clubs, organizations, businesses, institutions, governments, etc, with so much Diversity, antiracism training, and discrimination lawsuits, that the stench of it chokes the whole f***ing lot of White privilege until we collapse and pray for a quick end to our miseries. To what part of Diversity can you point and say that’s not the intention and the ultimate result?

    “White privilege is an unstainable resource for White Humanity. Diversity guarantees our doom.”

    -Rev Jed DeValleyism, “Racist pessimism is a cry to God for divine relief and protection,” 2008

  • Natassia

    Money money mooooney…. MONEEEEEY!

  • Detroit_WASP

    When is the NBA going to put some white guys in the starting line-up to make the teams seem more diverse than they really are????  I will gladly be a bench warmer for say 200k per year.  They can even call me token if they like!

  • Hirschibold

    Let’s be candid for a moment. Affirmative action sucks. There is however, a difference between implementing it at the DMV or the post office, versus implementing it with pilots or firemen. In the former instance, it is indefensible because it will cause long lines, inefficiency, and bureaucratic tension. In the latter instance, you’re literally going to get people killed.

    Think of Eric Holder suing the Dayton Police force. And understand that not only the incompetent, but the corrupt will now be able to make it past the initial screening phase. You could get accidental discharges (there is a video floating around of a black cop shooting himself in the leg during a classroom exercise on gun safety) and you will have black cops feeding intel to their drug dealing friends in order that they avoid busts, stings, and maybe even feed them lists of informant names, so that those who cooperate with police are killed.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      You know, I don’t think I can agree that putting unqualified people into jobs at the DMV isn’t as bad as making them pilots or firemen.  They give people drivers licenses and the kill people as a result.  In my region, it is often a white killed by a non-white.

      • Hirschibold

         It still is a matter of degree though: DMV vs. Airline pilot. At the end of the day, though, wrong is wrong and dead is dead.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           Just to pursue this a little further, more people are killed by drivers who just arrived in the U.S. than all the airline crashes in the past ten years (or maybe ever).   I can only think of that Muslim airline pilot some years back that said a Muslim prayer and crashed his plane into the Atlantic.  Remember that?

          • Hirschibold

            Are those drivers licensed? Most of the illegals aren’t.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

             I’ve heard that some aren’t, but they hand out licenses like candy.  When I lived in California, the last time I was at a DMV, the Hispanic workers were helping the Mexican applicants collude and cheap on their written exams.  What does it matter?  Up here in Washington State, they give them away with a shoehorn program that guides them  to a license.  An illegal without a license isn’t supposed to be able to get work.  I don’t know what is going on in California anymore, but I do know the driving in worse.  But it is worse here, noticeably more-so than just a little while ago.  Parking lots are becoming high risk zones up here.  I almost got ran down last week.

        • And diversity is diversity. Innocent Americans being killed in the name of diversity is simply cannon fodder to those which invoke this poisonous social doctrine. This is the price they are more than willing to pay in the name of diversity.

    • Or, more humorously:

      http://goo.gl/8N5jL

      (Warning:  I use cuss words)

  • Johnny Reb

    Do they want bigger rubber bands turning those propellers?  Or do they want rims on the wheels?

    I wouldn’t put a negro behind the controls of a passenger aircraft until we settle the whole Affirmative Action thing.  Luckily, I don’t think they do.  I fly all the time and have never seen a black pilot.  The Air Force and Navy routinely only have around 2% back pilots.  Blacks typically can’t pass background checks, aptitude tests and physicals.   

    Besides, are you seriously going to trust a negro with a multi-million dollar piece of equipment?  He’s just as likely to steal it and sell it to a chop-shop for parts.

  • Probably promoted to keep them out of the cockpit

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  • SarahConnor

    So let me get this straight –if you don’t promote blacks you get in trouble and if you do promote blacks you get in trouble? This gives me a headache! These people will never be satisfied. Plus exactly what is the correct number and how does a judge make such a ruling?

    P.S. I am so thankful that I have never seen a black pilot plus I am also sooooo thankful on a daily basis  that I was able to grow up and still do live in an all white neighborhood!

  • dukem1

      “The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were
    promoted simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.”

    No, really?

    What a dumb lawsuit!

    I mean, if they are there, in “upper management” it’s not a false appearance of diversity…it’s an actual appearance. 

    And the irony you mention is just so right on…darned if you do, darned if you don’t.

    This world just seems to be chock-a-block with bad craziness!!

    I hope I die before I get old.

  • Just great! Affirmative action airline pilots! Note to self: Never fly United Airlines!

  • “The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.”

    The trials and tribulations of diversity on display for all to take pleasure in. Once again, we see that diversity is a losing proposition. You cannot win with diversity. If you promote diversity, they argue it was only because they are black. If you do not promote them, they contend it was because they are black.
    I wonder if United Airlines still thinks diversity is their “greatest strength?”

  • Cyb

    how can a lawsuit be given for what is the truth? Of course THEY WERE simply diversity hires. DUH! whats the damage?

    • The__Bobster

      http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/05/31/no-diversity-on-urban-outfitters-board-of-directors/

      No Diversity On Urban Outfitters Board Of Directors
      May 31, 2012 4:31 AM
      By Pat Loeb

      PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Urban Outfitters targets a diverse market in its advertising but not in its board of directors. Some shareholders would like to change that.

      Urban Outfitters is one of the only women’s apparel companies left with a board that is composed exclusively of white males, according to Aditi Mohapatra of Calvert Asset Management.

      • Up to my neck in CA

        And why are they there? I wonder if it could be hard work, dedication and sacrifices made through a commitment to their company?
        Of course not, just more White privilege. Liberal multicultural Whites are the true enemy to America when they say “all enemy’s foreign or DOMESTIC.”

  • Shawn_thefemale

    ‘The lawsuit claims blacks who are in upper management jobs were promoted
    simply to give the company a false appearance of diversity.’

    You’re finally catching on!  Most of you aren’t qualified. We don’t want to do it; we HAVE to do it.

  • I’m a pilot. When I started out I remember hearing
    recruiters saying they had to “boost the uptake of women and minorities (read
    blacks) at the majors, blah, blah, blah. Look, just be glad affirmative action is
    only in corporate management and not at the FAA oral and practical testing
    phase:

    “Gee don’t worry about that 100’ altitude deviation Sonseeahray
    – close is good enough for a Commercial MEL.”

    • Major

      Not good enough for RVSM though…skipper.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Really? I don’t want any type of pilots other than white males. You seriously think hispanics make good pilots? I can guarantee you that most of the pilots in South America are Spanish white but that should be obvious.

    • Major

      “You seriously think hispanics make good pilots?”

      There ya go again sweety. I’ve flown with several Venezuelan and Puerto Rican pilots in my time…and every one of them were top notch aviators. Serious, committed and excellent pilots all. And I’ve been a pilot since 1969 hon. So I’ve been around lots of them.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        You didn’t address my main point. Were these white pilots of Southern European origin? Probably. Guess we need to clarify what hispanic means. You only mentioned nationalities which doesn’t mean anything.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    There is something very admirable and even sexy about your standard white male pilot. I have been on a few flights, which is too many, where there was either a female or a minority in the cockpit. Those scenarios are never preferable to me, but as long as one of the pilots is an older white male, I am okay. One time I looked up there and it was a white woman and a black man. That was the most terrifying flight I had ever been on. The turbulence was terrible, to the point where even some attractive Southern good ole boys on the flight were looking around terrified like I was. Never again. The only minority I ever want to see up there is a Japanese man, maybe.

    • Major

      “The only minority I ever want to see up there is a Japanese man, maybe…”

      Well…they did do a good job on Pearl Harbor, didn’t they? Is that what you give them credit for? Personally I’d give the all white crew of the Enola Gay that compliment…dear.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Are you on here just to get smart with people and nit pick at what we say? I said I wouldn’t mind Japanese pilots. I threw the “maybe” in there because in our countries those slots should be reserved for white men and I still think white men make the best pilots anyways, as they were the ones who invented that profession.

        • Major

          I think you put way too much into disembodied text….hon. But you have to admit that…”maybe” they did a good job on 12/07/41…yes?

          You must be from Monroeville. That book….you know. Ummmm….what was it? 

  • Major

    “In the Air Force failing three flight tests washes you out of training, they both failed three times and were allowed to continue…”

    They give the same latitude and multiple tries for the skirts too, sir. Remember the Navy’s first “female” carrier pilot? I think it was an F16 and she couldn’t get it into the arresting hooks?

    Blacks and broads do not belong in cockpits….that’s why they call it that.

    I too….am a retired Officer.

  • Major

    “Those managers are often excluded from social gathering…”

    Why would they want to “socialize” with them? They know damn well if there’s a slip of the tongue or a joke they don’t like….they’ll go running to management or Al Charlatan! 

    Better to keep them at arms length…besides …management / pilots know how they got their ticket and their first stripes. BTW…those Tuskegee airmen you always hear about…Bull…lot’s of Bull.

  • Major

    “such easy, idiotic jobs…”

    I’m going to presume you’re not referring to Pilots, are you? Cause being a commercial or an ATP rated Pilot…ain’t easy friend.

  • Up to my neck in CA

    Black pilot? What could go wrong? 153 on plane, at least 10 on ground dead after Nigeria crash.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/03/world/africa/nigeria-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1