Front Sight’s Monday Blog: Worrying About Trayvon Martin Will Get You Killed

Front Sight, April 23, 2012

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This week, I have a very interesting security camera video as a follow-up to the Trayvon Martin versus George Zimmerman incident which was sent to Front Sight by one of the people actually in the video!

The man in the video, wearing the purple shirt, sent us this video and thanked me for last week’s blog because he said that after seeing my blog post, it helped him set his head straight.

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As we explain in our classroom lectures Problems 2 and 3, Criminal and Civil Liability Following a Shooting, even when justified, there is a very high price to be paid any time you shoot another human being.

The Zimmerman versus Martin incident is a very good example, although grossly amplified by the media and people who should know better, of what can happen to YOU should you ever press the trigger in defense of your life.

Still, solving Problem 1 (saving your own life or the lives of others around you) only to face Problems 2 and 3 is still FAR BETTER than failing to solve Problem 1.

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Also keep in mind that this incident confirms why we say you should only shoot if you have NO OTHER CHOICE but to shoot to save your life or the lives of those around you.

Here is THIS WEEK’s video sent to us by the man in the purple shirt…

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This video is a classic teaching tool, demonstrating a number of flagrant errors on the part of both the good guys and the bad guy that should have resulted in someone getting seriously hurt or killed, but remarkably nobody was injured.

Believe it or not, the revelation the man in the purple shirt shared with us is that both he and the shirtless man have .25 caliber automatic pocket pistols in their back pockets! If you look closely you can see the guns in their pockets.

Comment number 1: Decide ahead of time what you are willing to shoot, kill, or die for.

Unless you are truly willing to kill or die for property, don’t step up to confront an armed man or try stop him from stealing a motorcycle because you will likely be dealing with a criminal who HAS made the decision to shoot, kill or die for a motorcycle and he WILL try to kill you.

Comment number 2: Don’t carry a gun unless you are mentally ready, willing and able to use it.

In order to be mentally ready to use a gun, you must have combat mindset training, and you must know when you are in a situation where your opponent has the ability, opportunity and intent to seriously injure or kill you.

At that moment when you recognize that your opponent is close enough to use what he has at his disposal to seriously injure or kill you and is demonstrating he has the intent to do so, you need to be willing to shoot to defend yourself. You must have the skills to quickly present your weapon and deliver accurate fire to the area of your target, appropriate to the caliber of your weapon, that will immediately stop your attacker.

If carrying a 9mm or larger, shoot two rounds to the thoracic cavity of your opponent and then be ready to immediately deliver a shot to the cranio-ocular cavity (between eyebrows and moustache) should the two rounds to the chest fail to stop the attack.

If carrying a .380, .32, .25, or .22, then you should not count on two rounds to the chest to stop a dedicated opponent. Your standard response when carrying a pocket pistol is two to three rounds to the cranio-ocular cavity. Yes, this is harder to accomplish. If you are going to carry a pocket pistol, then you must train MORE than if you carry a larger gun.

In this video, the moment the bad guy points his long barreled revolver at the two good guys, the bad guy has demonstrated the ability, opportunity, and intent to immediately injure or kill. THE BAD GUY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT BY THE GOOD GUYS, WITHOUT HESITATION. Both men carrying .25 caliber automatic pocket pistols should have already been behind cover, presented their weapons and fired. Instead they hesitated, and it would have cost them their lives had the bad guy had any gun handling skills, or used any sight alignment or trigger control.

Why did they hesitate? Are you ready for this… Because they say, the criminal was black and wearing a hoodie! They feared they would be subjected to the same media abuse as George Zimmerman!

Even after the bad guy shoots at the shirtless man, yanking the trigger so badly that the shot literally hits the ground—which causes a rock, not a bullet, to strike the shirtless man—both good guys carrying weapons hesitate to shoot the bad guy, due to fear of another Trayvon Martin fiasco. Don’t YOU ever make the same mistake. You may not be as lucky as the two men in this video!

Comment number 3: Solving Problem 1 (saving your own life or the lives of others around you) only to face Problems 2 and 3 (potential criminal and civil liability or media hysteria) is still FAR BETTER than failing to solve Problem 1.

The saddest part of the good guys’ hesitation is that their black, hooded opponent left NO DOUBT in anyone’s mind (except the minds of the two good guys) that he is a criminal, bent on seriously injuring or killing innocent people to steal a motorcycle. THERE IS NO COMPARISON between this incident and the Trayvon Martin incident, yet these two Good Samaritans almost lost their lives from fear that they would be subjected to the lynch mob fervor that has been fanned irresponsibly by the media, gun grabbers, racists, and political opportunists.

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Comment number 5: Once the threat ends, don’t shoot!

Near the end of the video well after the bad guy has driven away, now the shirtless man decides to present his gun and fire at the fleeing felon. Yes, in some jurisdictions this may be legal, but it is bad choice in any jurisdiction from a civil liability standpoint. You will never convince a jury AFTER your opponent left your immediate presence, with his back to you, that you were in any danger of immediate, serious bodily injury or death. SO WHEN THE THREAT LEAVES, SO DOES YOUR JUSTIFICATION TO SHOOT.

What is even worse is the fact that you are responsible for wherever those shots may end up, whether they be in your neighbor’s car, house or in your neighbor!

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  • Francis Galton

    I’m seriously beginning to believe that if you’re going to carry a gun for self-defense, it is equally important to wear a hidden camera on your person (body-worn hidden cameras with decent resolution can be had for as little as $20-$100, depending on what form they take.)  For myself, personally, when I start carrying, I’m not going to go out without a body-worn hidden camera rolling as well; that way, there is practically NO question if something goes awry.  Your gun is physical protection, and your camera is legal protection (assuming you actually WERE within the law).  It sounds insane, but we live in insane times.  DIEVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH!!!

  • ncpride

    Sheesh…here some of us were disgusted with this guys buddies for not helping him, only to find out they were armed too?!  Grow a spine and SHOOT damn it! To think how close that guy came to death because his friends were too afraid to defend themselves…Gahhh!

  • diversity_is_a_hate_crime

    St. Treyvon has taught us that you really are better off not shooting a Diversity. Better to have a good vid. camera for the police, as well as all gated communities covered in cameras. 

    If you shoot the Diversity, you’ll regret it.  We don’t have a mass movement yet, but Treyvon does.

  • Speaker of Truth

    Here again, we see the effect of mass media propaganda. 

    Folks, this is why we must have media control. 

    Two men who were armed and justified to use deadly force, were afraid to do so because of what can be done to them by the militantly anti-White mainstream media.  They were effectively reduced to victims by a relentless campaign of “White man bad, non-White man good” propaganda.

  • “HERE IS NO COMPARISON between this incident and the Trayvon Martin incident”

    He’s right.  Trayvon didn’t need to be in the middle of robbery to get up the courage to commit attempted murder.

  • The__Bobster

    Funny, I get called that on a regular basis and it doesn’t bother me at all. Just Google “Bobster” and “racist” and check out all the hits.  😉

  • Rocky Bass

    Have to disagree there. I went to jail once (traffic tickets) and met a VERY muscular black guy named “Bo”. Bo had about 7 nice round scars on his chest and around to his shoulder, and matching exit holes on his back! This man talked about having a tec9 emptied into him and standing waiting for the ambulance.
    I vowed to ALWAYS use hollow points from that moment on. 9mm FMJ, and I would suspect ALL FMJ’s are worthless. (unless a head or heart shot could be certain)

  • 2573366

    Fear? Not this white man. Step right up……all the buckshot you can eat!

  • 2573366

    Carried by 6 or tried by 12. Your call.

  • anmpr1

    Hollow points often fail to expand in lower calibers (standard 38 special and below).  With up close and personal guns (especially .32 and below) full metal jacket bullets may be best, since expansion is always questionable, so you might as well go for penetration.  “Overpenetration” is always a factor in any bullet that can kill.  Google “box of truth ammo penetration” and be prepared for a surprise, if you don’t already know about practical ballistics. 

    • Rocky Bass

       Maybe in the most “tech”sense, for me I am still SOLD ON HP’s!

  • Rayciss? Nah, I can see.

    • Rocky Bass

       Another SBPDL’er I see, I can see as well. 🙂

  • Um, BLACKS aren’t AFRAID
    *sniff*
    to defend themselves

    JUST DO WHAT THEY DO
    k.i.s.s.

  • This situation we are in reminds me of the Kenyan Uprising of the Mau Mau.  The gorillas were attacking isolated farmers and such and were pretty much on their own in many instances. 

  • Mutant_Swarm

     You have not identified yourself, nor have you listed any accomplishments or training that would justify us listening to your advice.

    Please tell us, what are your credentials? Your life experience? Your successful cases of threat responses and resolutions?

    Prosecutor: “Why were you videotaped kicking the deceased in the head twelve times?”
    Defendant:” “Uh, well, I read this post on the Internet saying that’s what I should do…”

    Prosecutor:” After he fell, why didn’t you just run away and call the police? He was down and not moving, right?”

    Defendant:”Uh…”

    Anyone foolish enough to trust his or her life (or to risk spending the rest of their life in prison if they survive)  to anonymous advice on the Internet shouldn’t be carrying a gun in the first place. Wouldn’t you agree?

    • Rocky Bass

       Most everything else seemed to jive with common sense. Maybe he was not being literal on the kicking thing.

  • Mutant_Swarm

     I believe that a person’s will to live supersedes any wound that is not immediately fatal. As my evidence, I present the case of Msgt. Roy Benavidez.

  • Ya, I agree.  The problem is that most of the U.S. population is “PC”.  I want to know how we can reverse that epidemic!

  • Rocky Bass

     JHP is my preferred HP, 9mm is my preferred carry caliber. The one’s I run in my 5906 are the gold ones, I forget the brand. 

  • Rocky Bass

     The “stand your ground” provisions were put into place to protect you from some of the legal morass. We can see now that as a bare minimum, after a defensive shooting, one would want to kick any Skittles into the storm drain before calling authorities.
    Oh and an extra “ring of fire” (lorcin,jennings,raven,bryco,etc…) cheapy for any attackers too short sighted to have brought their own.

  •   This is neuroshock (stopping power).

    I might believe this, if I hadn’t recently read an FBI report on myths about “stopping power.”  There seems to be no such thing.  Some people go down because that’s what they think people are supposed to do when they’re shot.  Others don’t go down until they bleed out, or lose consciousness on the way to bleeding out.

    The report concluded that the only reliable “stopping power” is to sufficiently disrupt the target’s neurological pathway.  I.e., sever the spine, or a shot to the brain.  The author really hammered that home – that expecting bullets to the chest, or “stopping power” to put someone down is a great way to get killed.  Essentially, he said that unless you get that brain or spine shot, expect your assailant to have a good 10 seconds or so, minimum (roughly how long it takes to lose consciousness from a serious wound, like a shot to the heart or a major artery), during which he’s perfectly capable of returning fire.

  • Rebelcelt

    A 9mm does not have more velocity than a .357!

    THE .357 AVERAGES 300-TO 400 FPS FASTER WITH 110 OR 125 GRAIN LOADS.