Bill Doing Away with Label on “Pit Bulls” Sent to Kasich for Signature

Jim Provance, Toledo Blade, February 8, 2012

After 25 years, Ohio may be about to do away with its law automatically declaring the “pit bull” to be an inherently vicious dog.

The House voted 67-30 Wednesday to send House Bill 14 to Gov. John Kasich’s desk.

“Today we have an opportunity to finally be the last state to eliminate our discrimination of breed-specific dogs,” said the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Barbara Sears (R., Monclova Township). “We can join the other 49 states and virtually every other country in the world in eliminating our breed-specific language.”

Current law defines a “vicious dog” as one that, without provocation, has seriously injured a person, killed another dog, or belongs to the general breed of “pit bull.” Such a designation triggers additional liability insurance, restraint, and other requirements and increases the chances that a pit bull could be euthanized if picked up on the street.

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Supporters of the law have argued that it allows law enforcement to judge a dog by its appearance rather than by its behavior.

The sole negative vote from northwest Ohio was delivered by Rep. Bruce Goodwin (R., Defiance), who objected to increases in two fees included in the bill on dog owners, increases that helped to bring the Ohio County Dog Wardens Association on board after years of opposing similar bills.

“My other objection is I am not convinced that a pit bull is a safe animal to have around,” he said. “I understand all the arguments from all these organizations, but I still have a fear that a pit bull has a characteristic that we need to protect our kids from…

“The pit bull has the distinction or characteristic that, when they grab on, they don’t let go,” Mr. Goodwin said. “You can say all you want about all these other breeds, but pit bulls are the choice for drug dealers and other bad folks for a reason.”

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  • Ironically, as Ohio is set to declassify the APBT as a dangerous dog, the breed is getting more dangerous by the generation, because a certain dark-hued population is deliberately breeding it and raising its puppies to be vicious.

  • “Petey” from the Our Gang/Little Rascals shorts was an ABPT.

    • Anon

      Yes, I know. There are some good pit bulls, I am sure. But it all depends on WHO has them and cares for them.

      • Marcy Fleming

         Not true, these pits like Blacks have a very specific nature that’s immune to environment.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard before that more people are bitten by Labradors than any other dog, and these are the quintessential family dog if ever there was such a thing.  Bad owners make bad dogs.  The problem with Pitts is the world is full of Black AND White idiots looking for a mean dog to compensate for their shortcomings.  Once a White N-Word on the street wearing a white tanktop, sideways hat and pants around his knees told his Pit Bull to bark at me and I just walked up and pet her.  She licked my hand.  I should have slapped him with his dog’s drool still on it.
     
    I’ve known a lot of great Pit Bulls.  But last year I almost shot one that was menacing my boy and me while we were out for a walk.  She has no idea how close she came, I was about to draw my pistol when an elderly couple came and got between us and the dog in their car and we jumped in.  Saved that dog’s life and my boy’s eardrums.
     
    Never known anyone that had ever been hurt by one; I would have been the first.  I’ve been bitten by a German Shepherd with no warning and my dad almost lost his manhood to a very big Black Lab that got loose from the six year old that some idiot let hold the leash.  He had a chunk of flesh hanging off of his thigh.  Point is, if every German Shepherd and Lab attack were featured news there’d be an outcry against them too.
     
    My cousin has an eight month old baby girl and one of the biggest Pit Bulls I’ve ever seen.  His head seems almost the size of a basketball.  But he’s one of the sweetest dogs around.  I have no reservations having my kid around him.  He plays a little rough like most of them do but as long as you watch the kids around him, as you should with any dog, there’s never a problem.

    • Marcy Fleming

      Total misinformation is what you heard. Pits kill and maim people here in the Bay Area all the time. 99% of their owners are ghetto trash.
      The pit who killed my boyfriend’s 14 year old tuxedo cat in Oakland had previously killed two cats and two days in Antioch. Antioch PD killed the beast, thank god, and evicted the ghetto trash from public housing a block from the Antioch police.
      This Time, your posting is beyond absurd.
      We need to eliminate pit bulls.

      • Anonymous

        “All the time”

        “99%”

        And the antics of one out of control dog.

        Yes by all means let’s restrict the freedom of thousands of people based on this ironclad scientific proof.  To not do so would be beyond absurd…

        (sarcasm off)

        Saw another Pit tonight, owner was walking the dog past my dad’s house, neither one of our throats were opened to gush blood all over the street.  The dog was extremely aggressive about wanting to be rubbed and patted on the head though; I acquiesced in order to avoid being savagely maimed.

        • Marcy Fleming

          Keep your fulltime job because as a wit you will not make it.
          This breed was started to be killers. Check with any local police department or humane society. Every day there are new reports of maulings by pits and all too often actual killings.
          They are invariably described as gentle and lovable until they kill a baby or their owner, etc.
          Blacks and Latins are the major owners and they frequently have these creatures fighting each other.
          Why is that a necessary freedom ?

  • .

    I’ve owned dogs including rottweilers. They would have never bitten me. But they would have torn a stranger to shreds. And that’s what infuriates me about owners who claim their dog is “just a big puppy”. Have you never noticed how every owner whose dog mauls someone says their dog has never done anything like that before?

    I agree that half the problem with pitbulls is their owner. But I don’t really care whether their temperament is less vicious than another breed’s. Because even a vicious cocker spaniel couldn’t seriously injure anyone. There’s only one reason most people own a pitbull  — they want to be a tough-guy. Otherwise, they’d own a beagle. I’m all for freedom, but if you live in a populated area then you have no right to put your neighbors at risk just like someone has no business building a dynamite factory in a populated area.

    My neighbors have 3 pitbulls on chains in their backyard. They’re just so attached to their dogs but they can’t be bothered to build a pen or fence their yard. Those dogs regularly slip their collars. I have young children who can’t even play in their own yard unless I spend several thousand dollars to keep someone else’s dogs out. Would you let your children play in the yard knowing a couple of strange pitbulls could come running up at any moment?

    I’ve called animal control several times when their dogs have gotten loose. The officer says they can be fined for not keeping their dog on a leash but nothing else until someone is bitten. Then my neighbors have the nerve to be angry at me for them not keeping their own dogs contained. Now do you understand why people are sick of those stinking pitbulls?

    • Marcy Fleming

      Exactly the point and frankly I wish it were possible to put down the owners too.

  • Anonymous

    I guess dog breeds, like race in humans, is just another social construct with no basis in biological fact…

  • Anonymous

    Certain dog breeds are like certain human breeds.  By themselves, and in a very controlled environment they may be manageable, and even warm and friendly.  But they quickly revert back to “nature” in a more “natural” environment.  That is, when they run in packs and without any externally imposed discipline.  Also, these breeds are more likely to “snap” and become violent for little or no apparent reason.

    We see it is pit bull dogs, and in people we see it in…well, you know.

  • Anonymous

    Breed specific legislation is pointless as it does not attack the problem, but only the symptom of the problem. Pits have been intentionally made into unstable fighting machines over the last few decades. If these laws magically managed to eliminate every pit in the US the problem would resurface very quickly with other protective breeds.

    The ghetto scum that did this to pits would choose other breeds, breed them for fighting, encourage highly unstable temperaments and then other fine breeds would end up being banned too. Not only would they intentionally breed unstable temperaments but they also abuse and neglect the animals as well as let them run loose.

    Most all of these breeds were carefully developed by Europeans over hundreds or thousands of years, are we going to allow irresponsible ethnics to abuse and misuse these dogs and then systematically ban all of those European breeds because we ignore the REAL problem?

  • Anonymous

    Yes exactly, before Pits it was Rotts, before Rotts it was Dobermans. Once the banning of breeds starts it won’t stop, especially if the bans were actually effective. One breed will be replaced by the next until all of the fine protective breeds are gone.

    I did quite a lot of Doberman rescue in the 90’s, I worked with a handful of other women and we rescued 175 Dobies one year. NOT ONE had a bad or unstable temperament and those dogs were often starved, abused, found wandering the streets etc…. Once Dobermans fell out of the spotlight and were no longer kept by thugs the breed managed regain the positive stable temperament traits very quickly.

    • Marcy Fleming

      Won’t wash, pits are far worse than all others combined.

      • Anonymous

        If you understood the concept of “selective breeding” you might understand WHY they are worse!  Take pits out of the picture and Rotts, Dobermans, Mastiff’s etc….can become equally bad in a few decades because they TOO could be selectively bred to be unstable and hyper aggressive.

        • Marcy Fleming

          Those others can be bad too but the stats for a very long time show that pits are and away the worst.

    • Marcy Fleming

      True enough but even in non-Ghetto trash homes there are way too many incidents involving pits.
      Why do we need this breed ? Let’s at least start to phase them out.

  • Some Rottweilers and pit bulls have been bred to be vicious and are owned by blacks. They are substantially larger than a pit bull or bull terrier. I have heard people who detest these mongrels, and the mongrels that own them, as “ghetto ponies.”

    Don’t ban the breed, just don’t let blacks own them.

    • Anon

      Ban the mexicans from owning them also… In my city all I see are mexicans with pit bulls along with the blacks.

    • Marcy Fleming

       That can’t be done as you well know but the breed can be phased out.

  • Anonymous

    Well based on that line of reasoning, find me a dog that was bred exclusively to be a “family dog.”  There is no such thing.  Dogs were always work animals in one form or another until the past few decades when White people decided it was an easier substitute to having children.

    • Anonymous

      That is partly true, yes all dogs breeds were bred for a purpose, but they were never simply  for “working”.  Humans used to struggle for survival and every family member had to contribute to that survival in one form or another, dogs included. Hunting/protecting/herding etc… was their contribution, it does not mean that was their ONLY purpose, it means that is how they contributed to the welfare of the group.

      Science has proven that dogs in fact domesticated themselves and there is a strong cross species bond there. Dogs developed the “bark” specifically to communicate with humans, wild canids rarely bark, and they never bark to relay the same messages that domestic dogs do. Wild canid communication relies heavily on team work and body language, the bark was developed in order to communicate concerns/needs to humans.  The connection between our two species runs deep and goes back many thousands of years.  White babies instinctively know that the growl/angry bark of a dog signals danger and they react to the sound by staring, that is not learned behavior that is hardwired into their brains at birth.

      • Marcy Fleming

        Pits were specifically bred to be vicious fighters.

        • Anonymous

          Specifically bred that way by BLACKS! The breed did not become a problem until the 80’s.  Stop making excuses, stop pretending the problem isn’t caused by ghetto dwellers.

          Blacks mistreat dogs on a wide scale, and as far as I am concerned Whites that advocate the mistreatment of dogs are on the same level. Both are equally disgusting.

        • Marcy Fleming

          The ghetto dwellers are terrible, we agree, but so are pit bulls.
          You can have more than one enemy.

        • Marcy Fleming

          Responding to Sonya with her nasty ad hominem rhetorical question at the end of her latest rant, I don’t hate all dogs but I
          do pit bulls. I identify them with black, brown and a minority of white trash. Maybe this is what I didn’t tell you before, Sonya.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    No sweetie, we are not missing the point.  Yes, the article has valid points that can be interpreted in a racial manner, but it is expected that when Amren posts an article about the Civil War or animals the topic will be “on topic”.

    It is a hot issue.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Nonsense ! Pit bulls are far and away the most vicious dogs around. They kill more people, cats and dogs than all other dogs combined. 99% of their owners are ghetto trash, the breed needs to be exterminated now.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense is right!  The ghetto trash INTENTIONALLY MADE these dogs this way, your solution to the problem is not to stop the ghetto trash from abusing animals, but to exterminate the current victims and let the thugs move on to other breeds/victims? Then you can scream and wail and demand that those breeds be exterminated too, right?

      That has to be one of the most ignorant, short sighted statements that I have ever read on this site. Honestly it  sounds like something the NAACP would come up with; blame the victims and not the thugs.

      • Marcy Fleming

        Pits are victimizers as well as victims.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Those tests are worthless. All the empirical evidence points the other way as do the crime stats.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Your last sentence sums it up and the case against pits.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Thank you as you said it all and very well too.

  • Anonymous

    Kids of the Lil Rascals generation wanted a companion just like “Pete the Pup”. During the First World War, there was an American propaganda poster that represented the rival European nations with their national dogs dressed in military uniforms; and in the center representing the United States was an APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) declaring in a caption below: “I’m neutral, but not afraid of any of them.”

    Dogs that were once part of the heartland of American and a source of National Pride have now been vilified. Even ignorant White people jump on the bandwagon and say “exterminate those evil dogs” after ALLOWING AND STANDING BY WHILE coloreds abused, misused, and destroyed a great American breed.

  • I grok.

    Hunting for the purpose of keeping a population of certain animal species in check is one thing. And, because us humans are omnivores, we do need meat.  But I just don’t have the heart to get involved in the “sport” of wantonly and needlessly killing animals just for fun.  And just between you, me and the gatepost, I wouldn’t trust the kind of people who do enjoy that pursuit with even a scintilla of real political power.  For it’s the same kind of jerk that likes killing animals qua killing animals that also provokes Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. They kill because they can, and that’s the kind of habit I wish those of us who have it would break.

  • Were you raped by a pitbull?

    • Marcy Fleming

      Really DUMB comeback, John.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Bad analogy. You have control over your gun, pits do NOT have control over their nature.
    Against gun control and pit bulls. They often kill or maim their own family members.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Only misplaced thing here is the defense of the indefensible pit bull breed.

  • Marcy Fleming

     I love animal rescue and have done it myself for years but you could please rescue cats or another type of dog ? Thank you.

  • .

    Since you made the gun analogy. If you’re such a pit bull “enthusiast” then maybe you should step up to the plate and take the lead in drafting laws requiring owners of dangerous breeds to register them.  That way you could ensure they are properly bred, properly owned and properly contained in a fenced yard. That would also ensure they aren’t abused by owners who want to fight them.

  • .

     I think you’re equating pit bulls with the wrong race.

  • Marcy Fleming

     Since the breed was created it can be destroyed. I’m not blaming the stupid pits per se, they are wired that way, which is WHY we need to be rid of them.
    Some children and even adults, much less other dogs and cats have NOT survived pit bull attacks. Your glibness here is unwarranted.