Pike County Church Bans Interracial Couples

Carrie Cline, WSAZ, November 30, 2011

A church’s decision to ban a couple from its congregation, simply because their skin color is different, has cut through the heart of a Pike County community.

Suzie Harville, who is engaged to a black man originally from Zimbabwe, is no longer welcome at the church. Neither is her fiancée, Tichna Chikuni.

Some members of Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church voted Sunday to prohibit interracial couples from joining their church. They’re welcomed to attend, just not so welcomed to stick around for too long.

“It’s racism. That’s what you call it,” said Dean Harville, who is Suzie’s father. He has attended Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church for more than 30 years–a place he has seen his family grow.

“I treat him like I’d treat my own son,” Dean Harville said of his future son-in-law. “You couldn’t find a nicer man.”

The couple, who met in college, recently attended services at Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church–a small country church about 15 miles north of Pikeville, Ky. During their visit, Suzie sang a song, and Tichna played the piano.

“The pastor said they can’t sing in the church anymore,” Dean Harville said. “Then he said, ‘Furthermore, take your fella back to wherever she got him from.’ ”

Then, came a policy voted on and approved by a local majority banning interracial couples from joining the church.

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About 40 people attend services on a typical Sunday at Gulnare Freewill Baptist. This measure passed by a vote of nine to six. Dean Harville said more people were present, but they wouldn’t take a stand.

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Member Melvin Thompson crafted the resolution but said Wednesday that he is “not racist.” Thompson says the matter is an internal affair of the church.

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  • Anonymous

    “I treat like my own son.” Of course if you were living in his homeland of Zimbabwe, I don’t know,the relationship might be a bit strained.

  • sofita

    There is one such couple at my church. It would be nice not to have the ethnic cleansing of my people thrown in my face every Sunday morning.

  • Awakened

    I’m not quite sure what to think of this young woman’s father. He seems to be in a real hurry to destroy his own racial line.

  • Anonymous

    So how long will it be before we see their mugshots prominently displayed alongside other Bonnie-and-Tyrone couples over at The Thug Report?

  • Ben N Indiana (AWG)

    “simply because their skin color is different”

    Race is more than skin deep.

  • Anonymous

    According to the article,the only couples that are forbidden are White/Black couples. Other Couples like White/Asian , Hispanic/Asian, White/Hispanic etc… are okay.

  • Don

    While I disagree with miscegenation, the fact is that no one should have the right to ban anyone from attending church because they disagree with their choice of spouse.

    This oculd lead to banning gay couples, overweight couples, extremely unattractive couples etc… Where would it end?

  • Gay Black Man

    As a gay Black man, this sort of discriminatory behavior is very troubling. This could lead to banning gay couples as well. Blatant prejudice against one minority group can lead to mass discrimination against all groups.

    This has to be challenged

  • Joe

    Can someone post directions and service times? I think I’ve found a church worth attending.

  • GM (Australia)

    Of course the local do-gooders and the media, especially that “minority” news presenter will have an absolute field day over this.

    But lets get this into it’s true context, a young lady has simply offended against the dearly held values of her local church. That should be the end of the matter.

    Now look at the picture of the couple, my inner-most being finds this black/white relationship quite revolting, I suppose most people in that church have a similar reaction. Her dad says he is a nice guy, I suppose he has to say that, he will probably be supporting them both. Apparently this black man plays the piano, so do most of my grandchildren, that alone will not pay the rent.

    If they have children this will be more bad news, they will never be fully accepted in either the black or white community. I know personally some silly young idealistic female university students who went off to South Africa to help fight aparthied, they came back with black babies, these cute little babies are now young men and women who can neither be educated nor employed and often in jail.

    Finally, what is a black Zimbawean doing in your country, former WHITE Rhodesians don’t seem to be too welcome. Ah! I know, get a student visa, marry a white girl and USA society will take care of you for life.

  • White and Proud

    I wonder how many of you on this board who support White/Asian, White/Hispanic relationships will support this action by the church.

    Hypocrites!

  • Anonymous

    Christianity is making huge inroads in Africa because it represents a bridge to wealth, modernity, and the white world.

    For those whites who see their Christian religion as the primary spiritual force in their lives, they have to face the fact that they are unwillingly bound to any and all Zimbabweans who declare, “I’m a Christian!”

    The Christian religion now binds the white race to blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs and Polynesians, where everyone is equal and encouraged to mingle and marry.

    In order to be truly exclusive, whites must have an exclusive spirituality based on belonging to the white race.

    Christianity is a dead end.

  • Anonymous

    “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.” Numbers 12:1.

    If a religious body honors a book that condemns marriage between Hebrews and Ethiopians, and then they act on the honoring of that book by prohibiting interracial couples from joining their church, then where does the problem lie? In the Bible or in the religion based on the Bible?

  • paul rim

    Met many Zimbabweans in church, big smiles, but terrible liars, thieves & cads. They soon realise the power of the word ‘racism’ if they don’t get their own way. They also rush the toilet when the collection comes around. Funny how they are all the same.

  • Todd

    There is NO excuse for what this church is doing to this fine young couple. They seem so in love.

    Wait I have the answer move back to his home town where they will be fully accepted by all and can live out their lives in peace and harmony?

  • G W Hayduke

    Supposed to be a free country. Freedom of association is somewhere in the Bill of Rights, no? Good for these people for having the stones to say no thanks.

  • dulouz

    Yes, well they are not welcome. We have an African man that does not want to live with Black people, that does not want to marry a Black a woman. That sounds racist to me. The couple prefers to live with White people rather than in the racism free Zimbabwe. I can imagine why. Black women are the worlds least desired female, they are just not attractive to the human male. I get more unattractive women from this union, Black men will walk right past the daughters and right to the White females. Same with Arabs, Hispanics, Pakistanis and Indians and Asians. All of the world’s men. Why would this woman curse her daughter this way? They need to go live in Africa. These unions are really bad to look at, I would not go to that church any longer. I don’t give a doodle if he can play the piano or not. He should pull his weight and start a business and hire blacks. Romancing White women and piano playing isn’t mans work, thus Blacks are absent.

    There are many things wrong with this picture other that its just gross to look at IMO.

  • ice

    This church has as much right to not like inter-racial marriages as this football half-back disguised as a woman does in preferring such a union.

    Politically correct junkies are not satisfied being politically correct all by themselves they require everybody to be that way or they’ll demonize them to the ends of the earth and fail to see that it is they who are the real bigots.

    MOST white people who are not beset with a mental aberration, or mentally conditioned into a multiracial mindset, want children who look like themselves. It’s a perfectly natural desire.

    The perpetuation of the species to assure survival is as important to mankind as any other deeply imbeded instinct, as it is to the entire animal world.

    With the kind of father this woman has, it’s no wonder she has the confused mindset she does.

    I’m betting the marriage ends in abysmal failure with bouts of frequent beatings and arguments galore over one matter or another.

  • Alexandra

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13 states: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

    1Cr 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

    1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

    1Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

    1Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    Miscegenation is a sin, so they’re right to put them out. God separated the races for a reason–to prevent a one-world government (and where are we headed?). We are separated by land (Pangaea splitting up over the course of centuries, not eons), by race (Shem, Ham, Japheth), and language (tower of Babel).

    I know the apostle Paul was talking about fornication here…but I think you see my point.

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    7 — Don wrote at 7:33 PM on December 1:

    While I disagree with miscegenation, the fact is that no one should have the right to ban anyone from attending church because they disagree with their choice of spouse.

    This oculd lead to banning gay couples, overweight couples, extremely unattractive couples etc… Where would it end?

    ———————————————————–

    No one should have the right to ban anyoneone from attending church because . . . ??

    The last time I checked a Church is a voluntary association of people who can choose who and who not to accept within its flock via whatever process it has for making such decisions. You need to step back, take a deep breath and be asking yourself “Where would it end?” with regards to state imposed injunctive sanctions on this Church.

  • Leroy Jr.

    Well let’s see. Jesus Christ, who is said to be the founder of

    Christianity. What color was he? Does anybody know? And how do

    you know it?

  • Bob

    Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

  • Anonymous

    While the NT and Christianity makes no restrictions or exclusivity due to race, a church is a private institution and if you don’t like one’s particular policy, you can go down the road and find another. Or start your own, people do that all the time.

  • Anonymous

    8 — Gay Black Man wrote at 7:35 PM on December 1:

    “As a gay Black man, this sort of discriminatory behavior is very troubling. This could lead to banning gay couples as well. Blatant prejudice against one minority group can lead to mass discrimination against all groups.

    This has to be challenged ”

    A church is a private organization, just as my home is a private dwelling. I don’t admit blacks, gays, or any other non-whites into my home. What are you going to do about it?

    PS We have castle law in my state.

  • Anonymous

    So while Zimbabwe kills and otherwise chases whites out of Zimbabwe, America lets them in and this dumb white woman marries one, while the proud father approves.

  • Bill R

    News for you Gay black man. Gay couples ARE banned at our church. Read the bible.

    Church is supposed to be more than sitting in a pew.

    Unfortunately, bi-racial is NOT banned at our church. Wish it was.

  • Southron

    I’m glad that some churches still uphold biblical truth. When I argue with Christians who justify race mixing, I pose this question: Did the races come about through blind evolution or the Providence of God? When they say God, I reply, “Then why do you wish to confuse what God created?” I’ve never had one to answer.

    From a theological perspective, miscegenation is righteous man attempting to correct the mistakes of a sinful God.

  • Dave

    As Joe wrote at 7:38, can someone give me directions to this church? I think that I have finally found a church that I like. Kudos to the people of that church for taking a principled stand, something that is so rare in today’s society.

  • professor

    “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.” Numbers 12:1.

    There is no race implied here. Ethiopian does not preclude a Hebrew or other suitable mate living there. #13 is placing their own analysis on the phrasing interpretation. Slick but no cigar.

  • Follow the Light

    The church leaders are brave for taking this stand. There are so few who are willing to “do something about it”. It seems this is even shocking to some posters who are (perhaps) race realists.

    To those who think this is going too far: People can always vote with their feet and join or even start a new church and allow who they want. Of course, those who do not like the mixed couple can leave the church. When and if they do retreat, then can they/we be left alone with our own?

    I fear living in a society where I am discriminated against because I can not practice voluntary association.

    Can’ wait for the reaction when a nominal Christian and her Jack-Muslim hubby try to ingratiate themselves and their religious views in the House of the Lord.

  • white advocate – Canada

    TV stations and newspapers should visit the AR site. We get dozens of anti-white outrages posted here weekly. Why not cover those in your news? The audience would like more coverage so sales and ads dropping is not a problem. So there is some other reason why there is bias against whites in the selection of stories. Now think about what concerned whites can do about it. These religious folks in Kentucky don’t have many alternatives for expressing themselves other than to exclude people who represent social decline. If you don’t like this particular policy then make suggestions for how the congregation can express themselves in a more acceptable way.

  • Candide

    Sub Saharans africans are a different breed, sub species,

    with different traits, social and mental and emotional.

    They act the way they are and and do not adjust well to the northern europeans social culture.

    The prohibition of inter breeding with sub species is the same as the incest taboo, a revulsion overcome only by drugs and cultural rot.

    Who would not agree with the prohibition

    pollutes his own seed bed.

  • Anonymous

    15 — Todd wrote at 8:55 PM on December 1:

    There is NO excuse for what this church is doing to this fine young couple. They seem so in love.

    Wait I have the answer move back to his home town where they will be fully accepted by all and can live out their lives in peace and harmony?

    —————————————————————

    Excellent point! I remember watching some sob story a few years back about a White woman who had married some Indian from Mexico who was facing deportation. She was all upset about the injustice of it all and how it would break up her “family.” Hey, you married him. Why can’t you move to Mexico with him? It seems that thought never crosses their little minds.

  • white guy

    yeah saw this on msn and yahoo. I guess freedom of association no longer exists in this country. (speaking for the whites that voted for it) at least KY wont take cultural marxism.

  • CE

    Is it at all Biblical to hate people because of their skin color? Is it Biblical to ban a couple because of skin color? Do these people care about the God’s word, or do they just go to church?

  • Jed Clampet

    The father is the key. Show me a White woman who is involved in miscegenation and I’ll show you a White woman who either had no father involved with her at all, or had a bad relationship with her father, or her father is warped psychologically as in this case. I have found this to be a 100% accurate indicator.

    Btw, the Church’s position on this immoral relationship used to be the absolute norm in this country.

  • Anonymous

    #7 Don and #8 Gay Black Man,

    You have a right to your own religious views and opinions but what a religious group does internally is none of your business. If you don’t like it then don’t go there. As for me, I fully support the right of any congregation to put any restrictions on membership and behavior that it sees fit.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    13 — Anonymous

    You don’t know as much about the bible as you think. Those passages don’t endorse intermarriage between Hebrews and Ethiopians. They condemn Miriam for undermining Moses authority. That’s a completely separate thing. By the way, I’m agnostic so its no sweat off my back. Now, go play scripture games somewhere else.

  • Aaron

    Anonymous wrote:

    According to the article,the only couples that are forbidden are White/Black couples. Other Couples like White/Asian , Hispanic/Asian, White/Hispanic etc… are okay

    I read the artilce and it said no such thing! The church wants no interracial couples period!

  • Thuy

    Then they can go to another church. They can mix all they want, but not everyone has to like it.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it amazing how “our” degenerate society is horrified by such actions taken by this church? It really amazes me how all these people think that “Jesus” would be outraged by this. How the heck do they know? Have they talked with Him?

  • Pastor Donovan

    @12

    On what Christian doctrine or biblical verses are you basing your statements on? Care to explain? There is nowhere in the bible that condones interracial unions.

    If one cannot judge this behavior then one cannot judge NAMBLA, or brother-sister unions, man-man unions, man-sheep unions, or any other unions that both parties agree to.

    It is perversion Sir and is not biblically based. The religion you suggest, a race-based one, is simply a cult. Many Christian practitioners in today’s non-judgemental world have erred from the faith. They have confused Christian kindness and compassion for other people with the acceptance of evil. A type of moral relativism that has no foundation in true Christianity.

  • Anonymous

    See the NY Post story of what happened to another beautiful white woman who had a black African partner.

    They certainly can’t handle rejection. But knives, yes. There was another such case not long ago in NYC.

  • Franklin Ryckaert

    In our times when nearly ALL institutions seem bent on promoting mass immigration of non-Whites and miscegenation and thus the ultimate GENOCIDE of the White race,this little courageous church is a beacon of hope.

  • Pastor Donovon

    @8

    Gay African, I must be blunt with you. The anus is an exit not an entrance. The primary purpose of sex is to produce children. God made this pleasurable for a man and his wife so that they would procreate. Homosexuality is an attempt at imitating that natural relationship and has no other function than unnatural self gratification.

    Additionally, we see the clear and unmistakable intent of God against these perverse interracial affairs. God clearly made people biologically different and separated them geographically, linguistically, culturally, etc etc. His intent is quite clear.

    Sadly, we live in a day and age where so many people cannot see the difference between right and wrong. Moral and immoral.

  • Angel

    That church is free to ban interracial couples if they want to. They have a right to do so. Besides, the decision was made in a perfectly democratic way. This might sound “bigoted” by interventionist do-gooders, but let’s put it another way: If a black church wanted to ban all white people from joining it, they would be totally free to do so, too.

    From a libertarian point of view, freedom of association is a most essential right.

  • John Paul Jones

    I admit that modern day Christianity is part of the problem, not part of the solution. But if one goes back to the time of racial segregation in the South, all the churches were either all white or all black, and anti-miscegnation laws were in effect that legally reinforced this ban. As my departed grandfather used to say about blacks and whites, “We can all get to Heaven but we don’t have to be sitting on each other’s laps to get there.”

    We need to get back to the principles of earlier generations of Christians and the way they handled racial matters. Whether this is possible or not I have my doubts since I believe in the mid-1990’s the Baptist Convention passed a law saying that “Racism is a sin” and it’s clear that all other Christian groups go along with this line of thinking as well.

    In my case, I continue to be a believing Christian but realize that the prevailing ideology that “race is a social construct” has permeated all churches by this point of time.

  • Mike H.

    Their church, their rules. They don’t need an excuse or to explain themselves to anyone.

    If they don’t like it, go somewhere else.

  • Anonymous

    This PR stunt by the white woman is duly noted and as expected the major world media has circulated this as the most despicable act ever.

    This is an odd concidence right after the white arab north African nation leaders were all taken out at Obamas revolutionary dictate.

    Maybe Obama is using tax dollars now to fly African males to America.

    They cant have Kardashian but they can get fat white stuff.

  • Detroit WASP

    If a white man went to the Africans native country and married one of their women, the white man would run the risk of being killed and having his heart eaten.

    I have first hand experience with this area of the country.

    My family is a small town not very far from Pikeville KY. We go there every year for “Decoration Day” (Memorial Day) to decorate the graves of my father, grandfather and many others. It is a family reunion of sorts.

    Anyway, the subject of race came up and my cousin “Linda”, who is a retired teacher. has adopted the “we are all the same” montra. Her county is 98% white and it is easy to be an egalitarian when you have a couple token blacks in your town. Being from Detroit, I knew better.

    I asked Linda if she could name ONE black city in America that isn’t a disaster. She replied, “Chicago” and I nearly fell out of my chair. I doubt Linda has ever been to Chicago. Linda has been totally brain-washed and so have many others who have no first hand experience with blacks.

    I told Linda to come to Detroit and I would show her the future of America.

  • Anonymous

    Although the way the couple was treated is mean, this is the reality of the world and people simply don’t like interracial unions, especially a black male / white female one. Such an occurrence is a backlash to the times and will only increase in the future.

  • olewhitelady

    As a born-and-bred Appalachian, let me assure you that Pike Co., Ky has lots of churches, many of them undoubtedly autonomous congregations like this freewill Baptist. These churches are answerable to no one but God and themselves when it comes to their tenets. Many churches in the Bible Belt split up over conflicts regarding dogma. Sometimes one of the preachers will leave to start his own church, and half the congregation will follow. WSAZ out of Huntington, WV knows this full well and wouldn’t have bothered to report on a church breaking up over wine vs. grape juice, for instance–which one local church did.

    The freedom of churches to formulate their own doctrine and govern their congregations is one of the most important freedoms in the U.S. If someone doesn’t like the teachings, he’s free to choose another church. And, in Appalachia, there are many.

  • Uniculturalist

    Where does one begin to comment on this? First of all, I can’t figure out what this young woman sees in Mr. Chikuni. Are there no white men with similar qualities available to her? She seems like a very lovely young woman, so why hasn’t a decent white man managed to win her affections?

    This woman holds her ancestors in contempt. The European bloodlines that make her who she is today took thousands of years to develop. She evidently doesn’t mind throwing all that away. She perfectly exemplifies the modern narcissistic liberal mindset.

    One point that has been brought up only occasionally is that this woman is acting very selfishly. If they have children together (which is highly likely), the children will be bereft of any racial identity. Not white and not truly black, they are likely to be stigmatized and ostracized by their peers. Young people struggle to discover who they are, and this selfish couple are merely going to create more problems for their children. Furthermore, if they have daughters, will the daughters one day begin asking why they aren’t beautiful like Mommy, only to learn it’s genetic and that they never can be? Do you think they might one day come to hate their mother for having done this to them?

    Moreover, is this woman aware that white women who are involved with black men are over 12 times more likely to be murdered? Has she traveled to Zimbabwe and met her future in-laws? Has she gotten to see what a hell hole Zimbabwe truly is? She may be in for quite a shock!

    I know Mr. Chikuni’s supposed to be a Christian, but black African Christians have a reputation for being notoriously immoral. How likely is she to contract AIDS or another STD by being involved with him? How likely is she to be raped if she returns with him to Zimbabwe?

    As for Mr. Chikuni, I don’t agree with his actions, but I do give him credit for being a clever devil — he’s managed to garner a real trophy who will be worth quite a large number of points in his own society.

    The church’s action here can work one of two ways: it can either convince this couple that they’re victims of bigotry and cause them to dig their heels in even deeper, or it can make the woman wake up, think about what she’s about to do, decide it’s not worth it, and back out of the relationship. I hope it will be the latter.

  • Anonymous

    Long time ago I attended a school run by a Catholic Order, which also maintained a mission in Salisbury/Rhodesia. One of the sisters, “home” on vacation, told us girls that blacks in general are immature, and you can not trust them, they lie and steal. This from a woman who had devoted her whole life to serve and help these people.

    Of course this young black is acting as nice as can be,he is in an all white community. He needs to take his wife and go back to Zimbabwe. This is where this foolish young woman deserves to live.

  • rjp

    I just hope the church stands pat when it loses it’s IRS tax exempt status.

    Freedom of assembly.

    Gays should be banned as well, as they should. People who freely choose to practice sinning as a lifestyle should not be in a church.

  • Paleface 6

    Does this woman not know the risk she’s running?

    I had an acquaintance who married a black. One of those chip on the shoulder, racist under every rock types (but interestingly enough, a decent guy when he wasn’t in his racist fugue state). One day, he got it into his head to strangle her to death. This woman’s tongue turned black, she had been unconscious for two hours, and she was bleeding from her eye sockets when she was found. The only reason he didn’t kill her is that he stopped choking her…because he thought he had.

    Fortunately, he regained a small sense of honor in the end. He shot himself in the head as the police came to arrest him.

  • Anonymous

    There are plenty of black churches (and blacks in general) who are racial, hate whites, yet that doesn’t make the news or is at least excused as a black thing (like Obama’s church). There are other nonwhites (Indians, Asians, etc) that don’t like other races nor in favor of interracial relationships (especially if the man the female loves is black), yet we aren’t hearing about that on the news. People say, “This is 2011, not 1950” but only say that when whites are pro-white, yet don’t tell blacks or hispanics or other nonwhites with a grievance the same thing. The other races aren’t going to be tolerant and inclusive, so maybe the majority of whites should get out of la la land and become pro-white.

  • mindweapon

    I posted about this at my blog:

    http://goo.gl/2Qu4q

    Take-away point is this:

    There are clearly Southerners who want to have “no-mix” churches. The Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church appears to be split on the issue.

    No-mix churches would be like no-kill animal shelters. They would create a safe place for white people to exist. Miscegenation churches are in fact practicing human sacrifice:

    The National Black Women’s Health Project” has identified the battering of women as the number one health issue for African American women (Joseph, 1997).

    Femicide is a leading cause of premature deaths in African American women aged 15-44. (Journal of Issues in Nursing Vol 7, No. 1)

    In 1998, Salber and Taliaferro reported that the spousal homicide rate among African Americans is 8.4 times more than for whites. The incidence of spousal homicide is 7.7 times higher in interracial marriages compared to intraracial marriages. (Source WebMD.com)

    Relationships with black men dramatically increase a woman’s chances of dying young.

    Black females aged 15-19 are 3.9 times more likely to die of homicide or AIDS than white females in the same age group. This increases to 4.4 time for females aged 20-24 and 7.3 times for 25-34.

    White women who engage in relationships with black men astronomically increase their chances of premature death or long term health problems from murder, beatings, and STDs.

    What Gulnare’s “no-mix” congregants, and church going Whites need to do everywhere, is to form churches with this rule. Depending on how much of a majority or minority they are at Gulnare FWBC, they can either vote out the mixers, or go get a new building and start over.

    Jesus wants the best for you. If he didn’t, would he still be Jesus? The best thing for you right now, is to protect the white females who are being preyed upon. The black appeals to their “mothering” instinct, and the white female blames herself when her “son” abuses her. And of course, that white female will probably NEVER make a white baby.

    Do you really think Jesus is cool with that? I don’t.

    Isn’t it insulting when liberals, who couldn’t give a rat’s patootie about Jesus, start screaming at you that you aren’t their definition of “good Christians?” I can guarantee you, they only use the term “good Christian” when they are browbeating Christians they disagree with. They NEVER use it in their daily life otherwise.

    So stand tall and be men, Christians. White people invest a heck of a lot in our children, both the boys and the girls. They deserve our protection, and we should be raising them to be healthy and able to intellectually compete with the Asian kids studying math and science like maniacs in order to come snag a piece of the American dream, while Middle American crackers work for 10 bucks an hour at Walmart.

    Protect white children! Provide them with no-mix churches and group home schooling, get rid your TV, get math and science tutors. Just watch, you’re going to discover math and science geniuses among your children, who may have not otherwise discovered their true talent.

  • Proud2Bgay

    I support this church.

    But what you might also find surprising is that I am: gay (and very proud of it), support gay rights, am a fighting Democrat, liberal, think Republicans are evil, think Fox News is nothing but lies and reich-wing propaganda, voted for Obama and will again in the next election, have two college degrees, think for the most part that religion is a crutch for the weak-minded and uneducated, and believe that Baptists are the biggest liars, child molesters, crooks, hypocrites and craziest nutjobs of all.

    HOWEVER… this church is right on this one singular issue. Race-mixing and interbreeding is detestable and White people should not lower their race by getting involved with other races, especially races (as in this case) that are backwards and not as evolved as the White race. White genes are precious, and polluting and corrupting them by interbreeding with non-Whites is sick, disgusting, reprehensible, treacherous and abominable.

    When it comes to the vast majority of issues, Baptists and I’m sure this particular church as well, are as crazy as they come, but it’s completely and entirely understandable that they would ban interracial couples because race-mixing is an extreme affront to God and the U.S. Supreme Court should never have legalized interracial marriage. The Loving Decision was a mistake, and interracial marriage should not only be illegal, but any interracial mating should be punishable under the criminal statutes and by imprisonment for a period of not less than five years. And while bestiality may be sick and perverted, interracial mating is highly immoral and extremely dangerous due to the threat it poses for mixed offspring.

    My views might be offensive and seem wrong to some people… but no matter how much you might disagree with me or what names you want to call me, it will not change the fact that I’m right. Sometimes allowing people certain social freedoms is dangerous to society as a whole and the biology of the entire racial body, and that is the case in this situation. For example, people might want the social freedom to legally use dangerous drugs, but because doing so could cause larger societal problems, they are made illegal. Now let’s say that people wanted the ability to legally use drugs that caused permanent, genetic damage to themselves and their offspring. Shouldn’t those be illegal? That is the situation with allowing people to interbreed — their very selfish and self-centered acts of having sexual relations with members of other races (the black race especially) will forever damage the White race as a whole and all of their succeeding offspring will forever be polluted and genetically damaged.

    And don’t try to say to me “But you’re gay… how can you be against race mixing??” That doesn’t have anything to do with it at all. Being gay is not a choice, but race mixing IS a choice, AND it’s dangerous and destructive as well. So comparing the two situations is an apples and oranges argument. As far as being gay and that being a sin, that’s like saying that it’s a sin to be born with blue eyes or it’s a sin to have freckles or brown hair. Sexual orientation is set before birth just as hair and eye color are, therefore it can’t possibly be a sin. In fact I’m very glad and extremely grateful that I was born gay and consider it an attribute — but that’s getting into another subject entirely. Anyway, people who support race-mixing need to understand that because White people are more evolved and accordingly, understand the threat that 7 billion people (and growing) are having on the planet, they therefore practice responsible family planning. Other races, especially those of black race, do not understand the threat that such a large number of people pose to the planet, and do not practice responsible family planning. Because of this, the White race is declining and the black race is growing exponentially.

    Members of the White (Caucasian) race who do not respect themselves, and are, say, quite overweight, instead of bettering themselves, will lower their standards, and allow themselves to be taken advantage of by a male member of a lower race — a black for instance. This is a not only a disaster in the making, but when a White settles for less and either allows him or herself to be taken advantage of or even worse, specifically chooses a mate of non-White ancestry, s/he is not only setting his or her life up for disaster but is committing a vile and odiously treasonous act against his or her own race by forever polluting the genes of her offspring, as well as their offspring, and theirs, etc., etc. This is an act worse than bestiality because of the ability to actually create non-white offspring. And remember the admixture of even one drop of black blood means that person is black. It is why even though president Obama is half White and half black and was raised by his White mother and her family, he is still considered black.

    Furthermore, Caucasian women who choose a black man for a mate are being woefully misguided and mistaken in understanding their nature and that the chances are virtually certain that the buck will leave her for other women and she’ll be left to care entirely for the genetically damaged offspring. This is virtually guaranteed because the black male has a higher sex drive than men of other races, so she is in for a lot of future pain, hard work, and worry. He’ll eventually leave her with their black children to care for and raise all by herself. And her hopes of obtaining any child support are virtually zero since black males by and large, believe that society owes them a living and will not work for a living (much less support their offspring). This is the norm for black men in fact. As an example, just look at President Obama’s mother and father. The father, typical of the large majority of black men, took off and left the mother to care for and raise him. Because White people have a stronger sense of responsibility and a stronger work ethic, his White mother was left entirely to care for and raise little Barack. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, and this isn’t to say that all black people are lazy and have no work ethic. But by and large, when you look at black men, they are far more apt to leave the women they impregnate and go off continuing to impregnate others. This is the norm in black society for some reason, and may serve to explain some estimates that the black race is some 200,000 years less evolved genetically than White people.

    Now again, you may feel like attacking me for my views, but no matter what you say, it simply doesn’t change the fact that I’m right. These people who support race-mixing need to look beyond themselves, not be so selfish, and recognize the damage and the threat their actions pose to society as a whole.

  • Question Diversity

    8 GBM:

    How are you going to challenge it? Write them a scathing e-mail? Hold a picket on the street? Ask the IRS to revoke its 501-c-x status? As far as that goes, be my guest, for I think tax exempt status for religious institutions are a bad idea, it’s a violation of the Establishment Clause, IMHO.

  • Auntie Em

    I am old enough to remember small, interdependent communities where no outside interference was necessary to have people live in harmony.

    All that was needed was social disapproval to keep people in line with community values. If they couldn’t or didn’t want to, they generally moved on.

    People complain today that ostracization is a cruel game but actually has been used throughout civilization to reinforce social order. And it’s much less frightening than having outside forces making the decisions for groups of people.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe this church group is familiar with this black’s culture and tradition which is incompatible with Christian teachings, ie. Multiple wives and “lobola” known as wife buying?

  • Up to my neck in CA.

    Maybe they are trying to stop this from happening?

    http://goo.gl/gwuXe

    The victim

    http://goo.gl/9vw2G

  • Question Diversity

    http://goo.gl/Tlbfz

    The pastor is already starting to walk it back.

  • wowzer

    Black woman here. I feel bad for the members who may not agree with this decision and may decide to find a new place to worship, but I say let the church make their own rules. People will vote with their feet in the pews, or not. Eventually they’ll be hurting for offerings and their congregation will dwindle down to nothing. I wish more churches were more open about such things, whatever they are against.

  • Anonymous

    Poster #48

    Maybe Obama is using tax dollars now to fly African males to America.

    They cant have Kardashian but they can get fat white stuff.

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    Your WHOLE post makes no sense! Please try again and write something that a normal person would understand.

    They can’t have a Kardashian? The Kardashian sisters and brother? Who are you kidding? That whole family sleeps with and marries blacks! They are one of the most vile families out there.

    They do not even look White, because they are not White.

  • John Engelman

    This couple will find other churches that will welcome them, including the one I attend. The issue here is not racial discrimination, but religious freedom.

    It does need to be pointed out that nothing in the Bible justifies this policy.

  • John Engelman

    22 — Bob wrote at 9:47 PM on December 1:

    Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

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    Numbers 12:4-9,11 And the Lord spoke suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forth. And he said, Hear now my words. If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even plainly, and not in dark speeches; and the similtude of the Lord shall be behold, Wherefore then, were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses: And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed…And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.

  • Bebe

    John, poster # 67, and posters #21 and #22, here is a little Biblical insight.

    In Numbers 12:1 we learn that Moses married an Ethiopian woman. Who exactly was the Ethiopian woman? Was she a black woman from Sudan, then called Nubia, or was she a White woman from another geographical location in Saudi Arabia, then called Midian?

    There were TWO Ethiopias…..Nubians (black people), and the other was inhabited by Aryans (White people), during the era of Moses. Moses got his wife from the “Ethiopia” inhabited by Aryans.

    A thorough study of history and the Bible will reveal that Moses did not marry outside of his race. Those capable of housing the mind of Christ know that race mixing was prohibited back then – Deut. 7:1-3; Hosea 5:7; Ezra 9:1-2; Nehemiah 13:23-27.

    Has the light come on yet? Moses married a White, Aryan Midianite, a racially pure descendant of Abraham. The reason Miriam (Moses’ sister) complained about Moses marrying Zipporah is because she was from Midian, and the children of Israel were at war with Midian and Moab. God cursed Miriam because Zipporah was a descendant of Abraham. This curse reverts to Genesis 12:1-3 where God told Abraham that He would curse those who cursed Abraham’s seed.

    God had Moses hang all the race-mixers who had joined themselves to Ball of Peor (Numbers 25:1-18), do you really think that Moses would have been qualified to carry this out if he had married someone of another race? Scripture states that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, therefore, race-mixing is still a sin today, under the New Covenant.

  • Anonymous

    41 — Pastor Donovan wrote at 2:27 AM on December 2:

    @12

    On what Christian doctrine or biblical verses are you basing your statements on? Care to explain? There is nowhere in the bible that condones interracial unions.

    If one cannot judge this behavior then one cannot judge NAMBLA, or brother-sister unions, man-man unions, man-sheep unions, or any other unions that both parties agree to.

    It is perversion Sir and is not biblically based. The religion you suggest, a race-based one, is simply a cult. Many Christian practitioners in today’s non-judgemental world have erred from the faith. They have confused Christian kindness and compassion for other people with the acceptance of evil. A type of moral relativism that has no foundation in true Christianity.

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    Thank you! I agree, totally.

    Read Deut. 7:1-3; Hosea 5:7; Ezra 9:1-2; Nehemiah 13:23-27. Also for the clueless on here, Moses did not marry a black woman, which, btw, God has forbidden. For those who are clueless, do some in-depth biblical study, before spouting false doctrine that you have HEARD from the infiltrated pc churches of today.

    One poster stated on here about how the Southern Baptist Convention has said racism is now a sin, according to them. No wonder Richard Land is such a wimpy man and is okay with interracial unions. All of them are wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Wish at least one of their members would challenge them to show exactly where in their Bible it states such blasphemy.

  • Anonymous

    66 — John Engelman wrote at 10:32 AM on December 3:

    This couple will find other churches that will welcome them, including the one I attend. The issue here is not racial discrimination, but religious freedom.

    It does need to be pointed out that nothing in the Bible justifies this policy.

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    Really? Why am I not surprised? It figures that you go to one of those multiracial fake churches.

    PLease do advertise your church as the place to go for interracial mixing/marriages. I honestly believe that is WHY you are at that church, since they accept and condone it, thereby, they accept you and yours. Isn’t that the truth, John?

    BTW, there are plenty of passages in the Bible that speaks against interracial unions and mixing. There is plenty of racial discrimination in the Bible for good reason. God’s reason.

    One example. To adulterate is to make impure or to mix with something foreign (in this case the bloodline). There is already one Commandment that states “do not COVET your neighbor’s wife” so of course there cannot be TWO Commandments that say basically the same thing. God wouldn’t waste TWO Commandments in such a silly way, only “man” would interpret it that way.

    “Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery.” (Ex 20:14).

    Leviticus 18 provides several Seventh Commandment statutes that depict adultery. Verses 6-17 pertain to incestuous relationships and were addressed in part 2 of this series. Verse 19 prohibits conjugal relations during a wife’s menstrual cycle, and verse 20 prohibits marital infidelity, both of which were addressed in part 3. Verse 21 condemns offering your seed to Molech, which was demonstrated in part 4 to be an idiom prohibiting forbidden lineage and interracial relationships.

  • Awakened

    To:

    8 — Gay Black Man wrote at 7:35 PM on December 1:

    As a gay Black man, this sort of discriminatory behavior is very troubling. This could lead to banning gay couples as well. Blatant prejudice against one minority group can lead to mass discrimination against all groups.

    This has to be challenged

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    Is that right? You mean like the current mass discrimination against Whites by affirmative action quotas?

  • Alexandra

    Whatever race of Moses’ wife, the fact remains that Moses was put in charge and the issue is, Aaron and Miriam were out of line, so to speak.

    Food for thought, the first half of Jeremiah 13:23–Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?

  • Homo in Mo.

    # 54 – Gays should be banned as well, as they should. People who freely choose to practice sinning as a lifestyle should not be in a church.

    Although you’re entitled to your opinion, I disagree. I always get a kick when straight people try to tell me what “made” me gay, or I “chose” to be gay. How in the world would straight people know this and I wouldn’t? Wouldn’t I be the one to better know why I’m gay since I’m the one thats gay? As poster #58 stated above, being gay IS NOT a choice, you are BORN that way. I’ve always worked hard, paid my taxes, obey the laws, love my country and blend in with society with most people never knowing I’m gay until I choose to tell them. If I had a dollar for every time I’ve been around groups of people telling gay jokes ( it’s good to laugh at yourself sometimes ) and saying “I can spot a queer a mile away”, I could probably buy a mansion in Beverly Hills!

    Anyway, lets put this battle on the backburner for now, we can settle our differences after we save our White race.

    I do agree with you that if people don’t want gays in their churches, it should be respected and it shouldn’t be forced on them. Same with black-White couples. Good God with all the churches in this country, do they just HAVE to go to THAT one?

  • Gay Black Man

    71 — Awakened wrote at 4:13 PM on December 3:

    To:

    8 — Gay Black Man wrote at 7:35 PM on December 1:

    As a gay Black man, this sort of discriminatory behavior is very troubling. This could lead to banning gay couples as well. Blatant prejudice against one minority group can lead to mass discrimination against all groups.

    This has to be challenged

    *************************

    Is that right? You mean like the current mass discrimination against Whites by affirmative action quotas?

    Two things:

    First, your comments has nothing to do with the topic at hands.

    Secondly, given the fact that WHITE WOMEN are by far the biggest beneficairies of affirmative action, your “point” is moot.