The Future of the Obama Coalition

Thomas B. Edsall, New York Times, November 27, 2011

For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.

All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment–professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists–and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

It is instructive to trace the evolution of a political strategy based on securing this coalition in the writings and comments, over time, of such Democratic analysts as Stanley Greenberg and Ruy Teixeira. Both men were initially determined to win back the white working-class majority, but both currently advocate a revised Democratic alliance in which whites without college degrees are effectively replaced by well-educated socially liberal whites in alliance with the growing ranks of less affluent minority voters, especially Hispanics.

The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort. The Democratic goal with these voters is to keep Republican winning margins to manageable levels, in the 12 to 15 percent range, as opposed to the 30-point margin of 2010–a level at which even solid wins among minorities and other constituencies are not enough to produce Democratic victories.

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In the United States, Teixeira noted, “the Republican Party has become the party of the white working class,” while in Europe, many working-class voters who had been the core of Social Democratic parties have moved over to far right parties, especially those with anti-immigration platforms.

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For his part, Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and strategist and a key adviser to Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, wrote a memorandum earlier this month, together with James Carville, that makes no mention of the white working class. “Seizing the New Progressive Common Ground” describes instead a “new progressive coalition” made up of “young people, Hispanics, unmarried women, and affluent suburbanites.”

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In practice, or perhaps out of necessity, the Democratic Party in 2006 and 2008 chose the upscale white-downscale minority approach that proved highly successful twice, but failed miserably in 2010, and appears to have a 50-50 chance in 2012.

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As a practical matter, the Obama campaign and, for the present, the Democratic Party, have laid to rest all consideration of reviving the coalition nurtured and cultivated by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The New Deal Coalition–which included unions, city machines, blue-collar workers, farmers, blacks, people on relief, and generally non-affluent progressive intellectuals–had the advantage of economic coherence. It received support across the board from voters of all races and religions in the bottom half of the income distribution, the very coherence the current Democratic coalition lacks.

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The political repercussions of gathering minority strength remain unknown. Calculations based on exit poll and Census data suggest that the Democratic Party will become “majority minority” shortly after 2020.

One outcome could be a stronger party of the left in national and local elections. An alternate outcome could be exacerbated intra-party conflict between whites, blacks and Hispanics–populations frequently marked by diverging material interests. {snip}

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  • ice

    The whites supporting Obama comprise the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population. There’s no nice way of pointing that out.

    These people operate on a different wave length altogether, and while it is alleged they are educated, I seriously doubt they’re intelligent.

    I wish only the worst for them and hope their traitorous attitudes bring them great suffering, because nobody deserves it more than they do.

  • Publius

    Where has the NYT been for the last decade??

    The Dems gave up on the White Working Class long ago!!

    The only question I would like answered is why did Republicans ever believe that most Hispanics would vote for them?

  • Anonymous

    In local elections I’ve participated in the candidate with the word ‘democrat’ next to their name was going to win no matter what.I guess I’m part of the white working class though perhaps a more appropriate term would be white underclass. Do these white working class voters rule in rural areas or something? Is there a big city, among, say, the top 250 in population, that has a republican mayor, or a ‘conservative’ newspaper?

    The article is an acknowledgement that whites exist outside the role of oppressors. Will true liberals soon abandon the NY Times, or has the paper gone so far left that even leftists threaten to leave and this is the response? Or more likely, the paper’s overseers aren’t concerned about circulation at all and it’s all about sending out the right ‘message’. Didn’t this same writer, Thomas Edsall have another interesting article appear on AmRen a few weeks ago?

  • dr of many things

    This is breaking news? The Obama administration left the white middle class as soon as he was elected, playing favorites with minorities and illegals from the get go. Only the dull, uninformed, and unionists among the whites will remain in his corner, with the exception of frenzied Volvo-driving, tofu-eating, gay rights advocating, academics and government workers who have literally elevated this marginal man to Deity status. Independents have swung back to the right. The female vote has abandoned him. Jewish voters have elected Christian conservatives, even black conservatives, as opposed to the usual leftist, pro-Obama Jewish representatives. His only hope is to cobble together his factions of blacks and Hispanics (who mostly hate each other), gays, union die-hards, and those hopeless progressive snobs we all know exist but just can’t stand to be with for more than five minutes. He has kicked us out into the cold and expects us to vote for him?

  • John Engelman

    Thomas B. Edsall is one of my favorite commentators. Nevertheless, I do not think it is necessary for the Democrats to write off the white working class. Blacks and white blue collar workers have common interests in desiring more restrictions on Hispanic immigration, and more effective law enforcement.

    Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

    The only issue that really separates blacks and white blue collar workers is affirmative action.

    The Republican Party exists in order to advance the economic interests of the richest ten percent of the population. Anything else Republican politicians talk about is an effort to win the support of those who are hurt by Republican economic policies. Since the Republican domination of the United States began with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 most pay checks for white blue collar workers have bought less.

    http://goo.gl/UDcs9

  • Anonymous

    Why is this a surprise? As the article mentions, so-called “labor” parties throughout the West are simply writing off the votes of the very people whose interests those parties were established to promote and advance. Not that the Republican Party is any less contemptuous of the white working people whose votes it now takes for granted – the “white yeomanry” that was the pride of the Founding Fathers is now a mere object of scorn for all the traitors that purport to command our obedience, whether “right” or “left,” “republican” or “democrat.”

  • BO_Bill

    A third outcome could be the Republican Party putting down its purse, embracing a platform that openly supports the interests of American whites, and winning.

    A good first step would be a Republican presidential candidate making a pledge that his first act as President would be to fire Eric Holder for his ‘my people’ policies.

  • Anonymous

    The white working class was never thrilled by Obama anyway. Remember how back in 2008 they consistantly prefered Hillary over the Messiah? It was the affluent, college educated white “egg-head” types who were swooning over him. As a side note, if the government is looking for places to build section 8 housing, they should look for communities (towns, counties) that fit two of the following criteria:

    A) are at least 80% white

    AND

    B) voted for Obama by a margin of at least two to one last time

    The white traitor types certainly deserve it.

  • alloverthplace

    A striking piece of news. One of the two major American political parties has made a conscious strategic decision to discount…Americans. Woe.

  • Anonymous

    preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class

    Then the battle lines are drawn. Good. Now the Republican Party should feel free to explicitly abandon nonwhite voters and pursue VDare’s “Sailer Strategy.”

    Because regardless of whether or not the GOP wants the title of “the white party”, the Democrats have now officially foisted the title upon them. Following upon several decades of Donk policies toward the white working class that might be broadly described as “exterminationist,” a new attitude of simply IGNORING us comes as a welcome relief.

    In the United States, Teixeira noted, “the Republican Party has become the party of the white working class,” while in Europe, many working-class voters who had been the core of Social Democratic parties have moved over to far right parties, especially those with anti-immigration platforms.

    If the NYT is at all perplexed by this swing to the “far right” (a term I dispute), allow me to explain: White people in Europe don’t enjoy being targeted for genocide any more than white people in North America do.

    Not wanting to be permanently phased out existence isn’t really so hard to understand, is it?

  • Crystal Evans

    I personally think that Obama may have lost a large percentage of the Latino vote. The reason for this is that he has failed to bring forth immigration reform such as passage of the Dream Act, which would have provided a path to citizenship for illegal immigrant youth. Since they will not vote Republican, they will more than likely stay home which will cost Obama votes and possibly the election.

  • Bernie

    Why should this concern us? The GOP does nothing for whites. They support amnesties, quotas and racial double standards just like the Dems.

    The Dems should rightly say to working class whites, “Yes, we support quotas, amnesties and racial double standards. But so do the Republicans. At least with us you can get free healthcare, a higher minimum wage and more government handouts. We are also slightly less likely to ship your job overseas.”

  • Jupiter7

    “America” has devolved into separate race-based nation states. This makes it a 100 percent certainty that there will be a full-blown race war in the near future…food,water and land scarcities…and an exponetialy growing high fertility nonwhite population make it a 100 percent certainty that there will be a complete ecological collapse of “America”. Any one who thinks for second that secession will create a permanent La La Land safe haven for Native Born White Americans is engaging in magical thinking.

  • LouLou

    “America” has devolved into separate race-based nation states.”

    Has it? Nice to know. Kindly point me toward the white nation state so I can stop being treated like a third class citizen.

  • white is right, black is whack

    Marxists don’t care about whites? This surprises anyone with an IQ over 15?

  • Bo

    If the diverse white American peoples are consigned to the Republican Party, let’s demand some things. For example:

    1) An end to Asian wars in which the deaths of young white soldiers are vastly disproportionate to their share of military personnel as well as to their share of the American population.

    2) Special tailored health services to afflictions that show large over-representation of diverse white kids: tobacco, binge drinking, and meth abuse & addiction.

    3) Speaking out against lies and slurs spoken against the diverse white American peoples. Have you ever heard a Republican elected politician, careful as always about some demographics’ sensitivities, speak out against hate speech designed to denigrate and demoralize young white kids?

    And there are big issues like immigration and affirmative action, but without measures like the three listed above, the Republican Party is objectively anti-white.

    ============

    And we all knew this in 2004 when Obama put into public discourse the black American slang term “acting white” which is nothing but a denial of our nationality (American) and our diversity, both staples of hateful media and entertainment.

    He gave us another dose in 2008 when he referred to his grandmother as “a typical white person,” once again denying our nationality and our diversity, both hallmarks of hatred on his part.

    No surprises since then.

  • John Engelman

    The New York Times July 25, 2010

    By most measures, Harley-Davidson has been having a rough ride.

    Motorcycle sales are falling in 2010, as they have for each of the last three years. The company does not expect a turnaround anytime soon.

    But despite that drought, Harley’s profits are rising — soaring, in fact. Last week, Harley reported a $71 million profit in the second quarter, more than triple what it earned a year ago…

    Many companies are focusing on cost-cutting to keep profits growing, but the benefits are mostly going to shareholders instead of the broader economy, as management conserves cash rather than bolstering hiring and production. Harley, for example, has announced plans to cut 1,400 to 1,600 more jobs by the end of next year. That is on top of 2,000 job cuts last year — more than a fifth of its work force.

    http://goo.gl/uflZS

    ——-

    I am sympathetic to the concerns of white blue collar workers. Unfortunately, when they vote Republican they get economic order which increasingly is skewed against them.

    The Democrats should be doing a better job countering this, but Republican economic policies promote it.

  • Jupiter7

    LouLou

    Your comment really goes the to the heart of the issue. Millions of Native Born White Americans appear to be completely oblivious to their collective racial demise. This of course means that the situation for Native Born White Americans is way more precarious than any of us realize. Go over to Sailer where this topic is being discussed right now-Goldsmith-Texiera thread. All of the commenters are engaging in the magical thinking of “we can politically tweak are way out of a catastrophe if the Rebublian party only would do this or that”.

    Native Born White Americans will either be openly racial or they will with 100 percent certainty experience race-replacement and final exit from existence when ecological collapse arrives. If Native Born White Americans organize politically around race in a very open way..there will be open conflict with nonwhites..so be it.

    Brimelow and Sailer are avoiding the really big question of racially partitioning the US into separate race-based nation states. I submit that this does not solve the fundamental problem facing Native Born White Americans which is final and permanent extinction as a direct result of ecolgical collapse across the former “America”. This is precisely what Brimelow and Sailer should be talking and writing about..and this is exactly what Brimelow,Jared Taylor,Richard Spencer,Patrick Buchannan and Kevin McDonald should be writing about and talking about in their public appearances. Or to put it more bluntly:Ask their fellow Native Born White Americans what they are willing to give up for racial minority status within the borders of America. Millions of our fellow Native Born White Americans have given 0 thought to this question..and is the only question that ultimately matters.

  • paul rim

    White patriots should take over Republican party & fight to stop USA turning into South Africa. Don’t the liberal elite realise once they have destroyed white majority they too will be replaced.Fools,traitors & demonic the lot of them.

  • Question Diversity

    White working class voters in swing state were crucial to Obama’s victory in 2008, and in 2012, will again make the difference. If the Democrat power brokers are writing off working class whites in favor of minorities, this means they are conceding the short term in lieu of the long term. They’ll tolerate losing in the next few cycles, while they wait patiently for the demographic time bomb to go off in their favor.

    5 John Engelman: Blacks are also far more likely to be crime perpetrators than whites. Black anti-immigration sentiments can’t be taken seriously, because black votes almost always go to open borders Democrats. The only way to get the black vote is to promise more welfare goodies than the other party, and that is impossible when your competition is Democrats.

    12 Bernie: When is Obama going to stop job outsourcing, precisely? It’s as bad as ever. Some of it with his own countenance. That’s what I’ll never forgive him for more than anything, his phony promises four years ago to end job outsourcing (or so those promises seemed, read the words and rhetoric closely, and you’ll know he was two-faced about it). But, that’s how he won the white working class that this article says he is now giving up on.

  • Anonymous

    @ John Engleman

    The Democrats economic order is even worse against white blue collar

    And the Democrats aggressively attack the Republican’s sense of decency and values, while the republicans at least pretend to defend them

  • Anonymous

    @Bernie

    They are saying that to whites, but they don’t actually deliver

  • Anonymous

    1 — ice wrote at 5:14 PM on November 28:

    “The whites supporting Obama comprise the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population. There’s no nice way of pointing that out.

    These people operate on a different wave length altogether, and while it is alleged they are educated, I seriously doubt they’re intelligent.

    I wish only the worst for them and hope their traitorous attitudes bring them great suffering, because nobody deserves it more than they do.”

    Funny, “wave length” is a term created by hippies and New Age types as far back as the mid Sixties, and here’s a conservative using it! That might make the reader think I am antagonistic toward race realism and its goals. I’m not. But I want to attempt to illustrate the idea that self-analysis and criticism is important for us, lest we ever be defined by our enemies.

    As a long time poster here, I have to disagree with the appraisal, assumption, and condemnation of liberal whites. Here is why;

    1. Whites who attend college are the ones who provide those high IQ ratings that posters here are constantly bragging about.

    2. If they are the oddballs and misfits, then I guess we have a nation of misfits, since race realists are often dismissed likewise. The upshot being that name-calling and labeling doesn’t equal an intelligent argument. If liberals were so dumb, we wouldn’t be now in the position of the repressed and persecuted that we now are; we would have prevailed in every debate and political contest and maneuver. Instead, conservatives typically define themselves with hokey politics and sloganeering styles of a long bygone era, and actually unleashed the mud-slinging style of dirty politics (a la Karl Rove), and get voted in by a typically backward electorate who can still be hoodwinked by plays on their faith and patriotism, when the very ones they elect act to do away with their life savings and earned retirements (Reagan’s S&L scandal, and the conservative use of the term “entitlements” to describe funds that they paid into all their lives as a government guaranteed fund that Republican administrations raided over and over, in an apparent conspiracy to cause its defunding and then benefits their lobbies who want the SS and Medicare deductions to go into private insurance plans that will collect by law, but skimp on services rendered. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Some traditional conservatives actually think the GOP still represents them. Isn’t it obvious that the two parties are just playing off one another? They just switch sides on issues once in a while. They both get bucks for the same lobbies. One just has some assiduous affiliation with the notion of a white America because they never learned how to do the Watusi right. (But they’re still trying).

    One item few ever consider is that IQ is one measure of human mind function. There is an entire sub-cortical system that is older and serves as the foundation for the function and basics, including survival instincts, interpretation of pleasure and pain, to include emotional pleasure and pain as well as physical. These older, and more fundamental systems directly affect systems like the adrenal glands, the autonomic nervous system, heart beat, and the fight or flight mechanism. When these over-riding basic, often instinctual systems are stimulated, as when one becomes emotional, either acutely or chronically, these systems cancel out cortical function almost completely. It requires a great deal of will to remain in control of ones higher thought processes in these states. This is one of the benefits of any sort of martial art training, or even the more complex sports or performance events. Point being that anti-intellectual, emotionalism is a guaranteed self-defeater, even for race realists. Indulgence in it sets the individual trend toward habituated lower IQ. It is even more infectious and damaging for groups. The truly intelligent see this pitfall and avoid it.

  • Anonymous

    Reply to #11: With all due respect, are illegal aliens allowed to vote? I suspect that they are voting and people often act as if they did vote. It really is not in the best interests of Mexican-Americans who are really citizens to allow massive illegal and legal immigration although almost everyone acts as if legal citizen Mexican-Americans have a big stake in immense immigration from Mexico. For the most part they do not. Their wages and profits are lowered by illegal immigration and they pay for the costs of illegal alien welfare, education, medical, and incarceration requrements here in the U.S. through taxes.

  • Rhialto

    I don’t think either major party has any concern for the interests of “working class” white males. Both parties support massive immigration, and Diversity policies which limit white male access to education and employment. The only difference is that the Dems brag about it, and the RePubs don’t.

  • Question Diversity

    18 Anonymous:

    First, when did Karl Roverrated ever sling any mud? I would have more respect for him if he did. What we got from him was pandering to blacks and Hispanics. George W. Bush won two national elections in spite of Karl Roverrated, not because of him.

    Second, you dismiss our “name calling,” “sloganeering” and “hokey politics.” Believe me, we could NEVER be as bad as the left wing when it comes to all those things, as hard as we tried. Like no left wing Democrat has ever restored to demagoguery, stupid slogans and the politics of fear? The Democrat Party has in their base almost every black voter in the country. There, stupid slogans are required, intellectual arguments go way over their heads. Hell, what do you think “Our Diversity Is Our Strength” but a hokey brainless bromide? Every time you ask one of them to define why or how our diversity is our strength, they give you some brain dread mush that doesn’t do anything more that define diversity. When they actually try to give you a real answer, it’s something stupid like “black and white keys on the piano,” “rolling green,” “heuristics,” or “turkey.”

    Left wingers might not be dumb, but I don’t find them and their arguments to be smart. The only reason they seem smart is because they control the institutions which define “smart.” And who says that one has to be smart and have a high IQ to graduate from college these days? Get a load of this, being mindful that the answers were written by someone who claims to be a recent college grad with a 3.5 GPA:

    http://goo.gl/IfevC

    Barack Obama is said to be “smart.” Get him off his precious teleprompter, and it’s nothing but “uhh” and “err.” He was supposedly a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago. Where are the legions of his ex-students gloating to the media about how Professor Obama inspired them? Yes, peanut gallery, I know he was just an instructor, never a full professor. I’m trying to make a point here. Then there’s the issue of his college and high school transcripts he still won’t release, and that his former schools treat like nuclear secrets, even though the Rickroller’s transcripts from Texas A&M somehow “got out there.” Oops darn. Obama did admit to cutting classes for most of his junior and senior years of high school at Punahou, smoking dope was a lot more exciting than learning. That’s smart? He’s the candidate of smart people? Just how did he get into Oxy with that stellar high school record? Hell, the valedictorian of my high school class, a white woman, couldn’t get into Stanford.

    You’re probably the type which buys hook line and sinker into these studies about “red states, low IQ, blue states, high IQ.” (Ironically, some of the very same people who do victory laps with that news turn right around and say that IQ doesn’t matter/IQ tests are racist/etc.) Well, that’s an easy bromide to rebut, because some red states are heavily black. That’s WHY they’re red states, because all the blacks force the whites to vote Republican out of pure reactionary verve. Of course the education systems in “red states” MS and AL are bad, because they’re so black.

    And, you also seem to be the type that elected Republicans are the only kind of people who can do anything wrong while in government.

    BTW, there is no “Social Security trust fund,” either in the individual or the collective. It’s not an annuity that a given FICA taxpayer pays into then draws out of starting at 62 or 65. One “pays into Social Security” in the sense that while one is working, one pays for existing Social Security beneficiaries at the time, with the understanding that the workers of the future will pay your Social Security. The deindustrializatoin of and the browning of America is breaking that intergenerational trust factor down.

  • ice

    18 — Anonymous wrote at 10:31 PM on November 28:

    1 — ice wrote at 5:14 PM on November 28:

    “Funny, “wave length” is a term created by hippies and New Age types as far back as the mid Sixties, and here’s a conservative using it!”

    Hahahaha!

    Well, my, my, my. Imagine that. A conservative using a hippie term. And that proves exactly what, old boy?

    Tesla also used the term in his numerous writings of theories regarding electromagnetics. Quite frankly I like it. It explains a lot in just a few words.

    “That might make the reader think I am antagonistic toward race realism and its goals. I’m not. But I want to attempt to illustrate the idea that self-analysis and criticism is important for us, lest we ever be defined by our enemies.”

    We’re defined negatively by our enemies no matter what we say, and it is a fact that bomb throwing is an effective way of getting a point across in as few words as possible, but, more importantly, it is a necessary tit for tat for all the derogatory comments that come at us from the left.

    The entire nationalist movement is sick to death of the gutless, high brow, worthless drivel those like you subscribe to, and, it is blaringly evident such nonsense is worthless in promoting anything that comes from Nationalists and paints the entire movement as engaging in unimportant drivel that concentrates on matters of no consequence.

    The entire citizenry admires backbone, which is evident in the politics of today, illustrated by Newt Gingrich who surged to the lead only after he showed more gumption than any of the other milk sops who are terrified of offending the left.

    And, if he weren’t constrained by the limits of presidential debates I have no doubt he would agree that, “The whites supporting Obama comprise the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population. There’s no nice way of pointing that out.”

    And the whites on the right who think confining themselves to stiff upper lip snobbery by trying to sound intelligent is going to win anybody over are fools of the highest order.

  • Jim

    The Anonymous troll blubbers about IQ, unfortunately he doesn’t fit into the category since is post is a cut and paste. Just another stupid white liberal defending the teleprompter messiah.

  • Anonymoose

    Baloney. The New Deal coalition elected Obama, as it has every Democratic president in living memory. Obama’s, or any Democrat’s chance of election become slim when any element of it defects. The Democrats live in mortal terror of losing the white blue collar vote, falling below 90 percent of the black vote, falling below 65 percent of the Hispanic vote,losing any significant part of the Jewish vote, or losing a significant part of the Catholic vote.

    All of the above will occur to a greater or lesser degree in 2012. Only the black vote will hold firm in 2012, and even then there will small losses. If Obama was not black, those losses might be relatively heavy considering the history of the black voting bloc.

  • Anonymous

    ice said:

    “These people operate on a different wave length altogether, and while it is alleged they are educated, I seriously doubt they’re intelligent.

    I wish only the worst for them and hope their traitorous attitudes bring them great suffering, because nobody deserves it more than they do.”

    Don’t worry about that.

    For example read this article about OWS:

    http://goo.gl/b2Mc5

    Basically the lefties have become prisoners in the junk they have themselves created (or attracted).

    Check out the lefties who defend their (“dark-skinned”) thugs beating up journalists “because their medics were the first to arrive on the scene.”

    I believe that leftist failure after failure leads to many suicides among them. Those are seriously sick people and they are not happy. Living like this will make everybody depressed.

  • kulak

    Anon writes:

    Point being that anti-intellectual, emotionalism is a guaranteed self-defeater,

    Anon is correct.

    Anti-intellectual humor is much better — and better deserved.

  • John Engelman

    1 — ice wrote at 5:14 PM on November 28:

    The whites supporting Obama comprise the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population. There’s no nice way of pointing that out.

    These people operate on a different wave length altogether, and while it is alleged they are educated, I seriously doubt they’re intelligent.

    I wish only the worst for them and hope their traitorous attitudes bring them great suffering, because nobody deserves it more than they do.

    ——-

    You must be suffering yourself in order to feel such animosity.

    The white bi coastal elites who vote Democrat are not “the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population.” They did well at elite colleges and universities because of high IQ power. Now they earn high incomes in prestigious and satisfying careers.

    I envy them, but I do not dislike them.

  • Kenelm Digby

    “Straight from the horse’s mouth” – as they say.

    There you have it.The political class actually openly admits that ‘American democracy’ has degenerated into little more than a racial spoils system.

    The real tragedy is that the Republicans have nothing to offer Whites either.

  • Mike H.

    It will be amusing watching the Democratic party tear itself apart as the other racial groups tribal loyalty(blacks vote for blacks, and so on) becomes increasingly apparent to white liberals.

  • Jack Krak

    The Dems are indeed down to the oddballs when it comes to the white vote. Stoner college kids and their militant feminist literature professors, ACLU lawyers, most gays, otherwise nice people in places like Minnesota who are apparently programmed to vote Dem no matter what, naive soccer moms who vote for President in same way they used to vote for class president, government and union workers who only look out for number one and general guilty white liberal types – this is what’s left of white Dem voters. It’s reached the point where it’s impossible to even imagine a typical white suburban working family that goes about the quiet business of raising a family and worrying about the mortgage being Dems. Dems have long been a bizarre coalition with any number of groups that could never sit next to each other at a dinner table. The difference now is that there doesn’t seem to be anyone left who can be counted on to pay for the meal.

  • Anonymous

    Funny “Wave length” is a term created by physicists.

    Anti-intellectualism indeed…

  • Lakeview Senior

    The fact that the Democratic party has given up on working class Whites is not news to me as I’ve seen that going on here in Chicago for years and years. For one thnng, take patronage jobs for instance, once they went to Whites primarily but now it is highly unusual to locate a White man holding a good paying city job. This strted really happening under Harold Washington, the first Black mayor of Chicago. It was downhill for Whites after that and has contined under Mayor Richard M. Daley. Now with Mayor Rahm Emanual it will be the status quo. Young White men are only needed now for cannon fodder as the statistics show us. The White liberals and other elites could care less about outsorcing jobs, layoffs, and racial programs that discriminate against White males.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up.

    Good.

    Maybe someone could explain to me why ANY White would even consider throwing their support to a racist, White-hating regime.

    Or maybe some Whites are even more brainwashed than I thought, that or the Democrats figure there aren’t enough working class Whites left to “make a difference.”

    A bit OT, I read this last night from our “friends” at Free Republic:

    That slimy little twerp Alec Baldwin tweeted the following:

    And all you Free Republic, American Renaissance, gun-loving, war-mongering, trolls…. bring it!! Obama!!! 2012!!!

    To which Free Republic responded:

    Baldwin falsely lumps Free Republic in with the racist American Renaissance group. But that’s what liberals do these days, cry racism when they’re losing the political debate.

    http://goo.gl/Ilq9L

    Bon

  • Paleface 6

    Anonymous wrote at 10:31 PM on November 28:

    “…One item few ever consider is that IQ is one measure of human mind function. There is an entire sub-cortical system that is older and serves as the foundation for the function and basics, including survival instincts, interpretation of pleasure and pain, to include emotional pleasure and pain as well as physical. These older, and more fundamental systems directly affect systems like the adrenal glands, the autonomic nervous system, heart beat, and the fight or flight mechanism. When these over-riding basic, often instinctual systems are stimulated, as when one becomes emotional, either acutely or chronically, these systems cancel out cortical function almost completely. It requires a great deal of will to remain in control of ones higher thought processes in these states. This is one of the benefits of any sort of martial art training, or even the more complex sports or performance events. Point being that anti-intellectual, emotionalism is a guaranteed self-defeater, even for race realists. Indulgence in it sets the individual trend toward habituated lower IQ. It is even more infectious and damaging for groups. The truly intelligent see this pitfall and avoid it.”

    My first two thoughts upon reading this paragraph were:

    1. “Revenge is a dish that is best served cold,” (Marie Joseph Eugène Sue)and

    2. “The angry man defeats himself in battle as well as in life.” (Samurai maxim)

  • Dom

    The thing is that Republicans could easily choose to be White party and win…and turn the tide if they wanted to…in 1994, in 2000, in 2010…but they don’t have what it takes…they’ve won 62% of Whites in last election even if they didn’t do anything for working class Whites…imagine if they done so…Reagan coalition is unbeatable…if you add to Southern Whites Northern working class and Catholics you have majority…and you win the Midwest: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania…and have the heart of America…liberals have West Coast, New Engleand and New York, but they can have it…you bring troops home and station them to the border and let them defeat cartels…stop immigration and deport illegals…you split the Hispanics between Whites and Browns and work to add them to White majority…I’m courious but convinced that these 30-38% of Hispanics that vote Republican are Hispanic whites…And it should not be too hard to bring them to White party…by doing that and deporting mestizos you create stabile 70% white majority, plus maybe 78-80% or more votes and secure stabile majority for decades…plus you can aplly Democratic masterpiece – gerrymandering and create Republican forts accros the nation and increase the number of representatives (which is done now and could be bring more than 60% of House of Representatives to Rep side in this decade, Georgia, North Carolina are doing excelent job and Democrats can not accuse Republicans of something that is their invention)…all of this was and still is possible and likley to be done if there was only one thing, but most important – spirit…courage…the Republicans are closer to what majority think than Democrats but they don’t want to represend majority…why? this escapes me. They should have learned that they cannot count on 20-25% of white liberals that are incourable and on 90% od Blacks that will vote for Dems no matter what…probably the majority of Browns will act similary as Blacks and will want govenrment handouts…but if they stood for working class I think in this time of polarization they can increase percentage fo 70% of whites plus court Hispanic whites who flee from incompetent “Indio” and poverty and violence that they create (maybe not half but third of Hispanics are whites, if you split it you have 5% vs. 10% which is not so bad and you boost the White majority to 70%, by deporting 10 millions Browns you increase it even more)…they need to stand again amnesty, racial qouta (why don’t they have courage to say that Italians make 5% of population and less then 1% of student in Ivy League and accuse Democrats of what they do, discrimination and racism against whites; they stand with the majority plus win Northern Catholics who are marginalized by Dems) but they won’t do that…not until it’s to late…unfortunately…what is in their minds I would like to knkow…Greetings from Europe…

  • ice

    18 — Anonymous wrote at 10:31 PM on November 28:

    “As a long time poster here, I have to disagree with the appraisal, assumption, and condemnation of liberal whites. Here is why;”

    What does being a long time poster have to do with offering an opinion?

    “1. Whites who attend college are the ones who provide those high IQ ratings that posters here are constantly bragging about.”

    Where did you read where I or anybody else said or implied anything to the contrary? You seem to assume I’m anti-education which is nonsense. I’ve spent the better portion of my adult life learning new things and relish doing so.

    Too, “Whites who attend college” are NOT the “only” ones who provide high I.Q’s. Glenn Beck is a good example. He’s absolutely brilliant. There are many others. And just for the record, as a business major, I’m not anti-college either.

    “2. If they are the oddballs and misfits, then I guess we have a nation of misfits, since race realists are often dismissed likewise.”

    That doesn’t logically follow, because there is much proof to an objective observer that the left has its feet planted firmly in the air. Not so with the right. Saying race is a social construct and creating an entire school of thought supporting nonsensical theories, passing them off as verifiable fact, is only a couple of examples. There are so many more it would take a book to to cover them all. Michael Savage has correctly identified radical liberals as having a mental disorder. Liberals live in their own delusional universe where all their thoughts and acts are guided by their delusions.

    “The upshot being that name-calling and labeling doesn’t equal an intelligent argument.”

    Who said it did? I don’t think I’ve ever claimed otherwise. What you fail to see is that psychological ploys can be more effective than logical argument when logical argument opposing a particular point of view or incident is so blaringly obvious logical argument is a waste of time.

    “If liberals were so dumb, we wouldn’t be now in the position of the repressed and persecuted that we now are; we would have prevailed in every debate and political contest and maneuver.”

    Not true. The left is famous for throwing bombs that often shake up the right and they’re decidedly effective in doing that. They use outrageous statements for their psychological impact. It gets everybody’s attention. I think most people would have a hard time believing any of it is based in any kind of intelligence.

    The right has only a few people who come anywhere close to employing the same psychology, most of them preferring to take the Karl Rove approach and refrain from saying anything that might be viewed as being outside the normal limits of managerial procedures. In other words, most on the right are pressed by their leadership to be managers not psychological fighters who are engaged in a war where psychological ploys have caused this present culture to be a far left one. They get beat up constantly, because they don‘t fight back effectively using the same techniques they’re bombarded with..

    Leftist tactics have been very effective. All they have to do is use buzz words like “racist,“ ”hater,“ ”mean-spirited,” and the like and it sends their opponents into a severe defensive frenzy. Instead of fighting back with bomb throwing charges of their own, the right spends all its time using thousands of apologetic words to answer a charge that is not only unfounded it amounts usually to just psychological warfare.

    The reason the right has no power and has lost the culture war is precisely because of people who think the response to unfounded insults is to patiently lay out an argument opposing them, which absolutely delights the left. How gleeful they are that their charges of racism and hate send their opponents into long winded apologies and denials when their one word, or few word, attacks offer them oodles of power. Your method is meat for their grinders, and it is your desire for a lack of passion that enables their success.

    “Instead, conservatives typically define themselves with hokey politics and sloganeering ……………etc, etc.”

    You’re going off on a rant that doesn’t make a lot of sense here, and I fail to see how that supports your argument opposing bomb throwing/throwers.

    “One item few ever consider is that IQ is one measure of human mind function. There is an entire sub-cortical system that is older and serves as the foundation for the function and basics, including survival instincts, interpretation of pleasure and pain, to include emotional pleasure and pain as well as physical. These older, and more fundamental systems directly affect systems like the adrenal glands, the autonomic nervous system, heart beat, and the fight or flight mechanism. When these over-riding basic, often instinctual systems are stimulated, as when one becomes emotional, either acutely or chronically, these systems cancel out cortical function almost completely.”

    Hilarious. I could have written the same thing myself, but with far fewer words in a clearer manner, but I wouldn’t do it, because it amounts to nothing more than basic nonsense that even a teenager is aware of.

    “It requires a great deal of will to remain in control of ones higher thought processes in these states. This is one of the benefits of any sort of martial art training, or even the more complex sports or performance events. Point being that anti-intellectual, emotionalism is a guaranteed self-defeater, even for race realists. Indulgence in it sets the individual trend toward habituated lower IQ. “

    This is just as funny as the above. I didn’t know that passionate responses sets a person on a trend of “habituated” lower I.Q. I’ve been like this all my life and have been I.Q. tested twice in my life at 136 and 141 respectively.

    The next time you crack your shin bone I certainly hope you’ll stay true to your convictions and refrain from cursing in response and come up with a reasoned conclusion as is typical of all “truly intelligent people.”

  • Anonymous

    Is there any sane person out there who still believes that the GOP cares about White people??!! Wake up people!

  • CId Campeador

    5 — John Engelman wrote at 5:57 PM on November 28:

    “Thomas B. Edsall is one of my favorite commentators. Nevertheless, I do not think it is necessary for the Democrats to write off the white working class. Blacks and white blue collar workers have common interests in desiring more restrictions on Hispanic immigration, and more effective law enforcement.

    Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.”

    John,

    And by whom are Blacks being victimized? The answer to that question is painfully obvious. By whom are the greatest number of violent crimes;( random murder, rape aggravated by atrocious violence both one on one and gang rape, random gratuitous assaults, armed robberies) against Whites perpetrated? That question’s answer is also obvious. Many ( not all) of the victims of Black on Black crime are involved in some way in interaction with the criminals. If you lived in Philadelphia, Camden , Atlantic City, Newark NJ, or any other large metro area, you would know this.

    We hear the constant harping from so called “Black Leaders” about the horrors of Black on Black murder by never a mention of these same “leaders” about the Black on White murder. When they call for young Blacks to stop killing each other, there always seems to be that unspoken implication that Black on White murder is fine. When Mellisa Mc Laughlan was raped and murdered by Blacks in Charleston SC, when the police arrived at the trailer where she was murdered, they found piles of anti-White hate literature there and a Black City councilman declared that it’s discovery should not be publicized so as to prevent division. When a white is brutally murdered by Blacks there is always the call for “HEALING”.

    Had it not been for talk host Bob Grant, AMREN and the Internet, no one would have known about Missy, Wichita, Knoxville etc..

  • CId Campeador

    5 — John Engelman wrote at 5:57 PM on November 28:

    “Thomas B. Edsall is one of my favorite commentators. Nevertheless, I do not think it is necessary for the Democrats to write off the white working class. Blacks and white blue collar workers have common interests in desiring more restrictions on Hispanic immigration, and more effective law enforcement.

    Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.”

    John,

    And by whom are Blacks being victimized? The answer to that question is painfully obvious. By whom are the greatest number of violent crimes;( random murder, rape aggravated by atrocious violence both one on one and gang rape, random gratuitous assaults, armed robberies) against Whites perpetrated? That question’s answer is also obvious. Many ( not all) of the victims of Black on Black crime are involved in some way in interaction with the criminals. If you lived in Philadelphia, Camden , Atlantic City, Newark NJ, or any other large metro area, you would know this.

    We hear the constant harping from so called “Black Leaders” about the horrors of Black on Black murder by never a mention of these same “leaders” about the Black on White murder. When they call for young Blacks to stop killing each other, there always seems to be that unspoken implication that Black on White murder is fine. When Mellisa Mc Laughlan was raped and murdered by Blacks in Charleston SC, when the police arrived at the trailer where she was murdered, they found piles of anti-White hate literature there and a Black City councilman declared that it’s discovery should not be publicized so as to prevent division. When a white is brutally murdered by Blacks there is always the call for “HEALING”.

    Had it not been for talk host Bob Grant, AMREN and the Internet, no one would have known about Missy, Wichita, Knoxville etc..

  • Snowhitey

    I find it difficult to have any sympathy for these fools. They ignored all the warning signs and jumped on the feel good bandwagon. Do they ever think for themselves? The word sucker is a gross understatement when applying it to these sellouts.

  • John Engelman

    43 — CId Campeador wrote at 11:28 AM on November 29:

    5 — John Engelman wrote at 5:57 PM on November 28:

    “Thomas B. Edsall is one of my favorite commentators. Nevertheless, I do not think it is necessary for the Democrats to write off the white working class. Blacks and white blue collar workers have common interests in desiring more restrictions on Hispanic immigration, and more effective law enforcement.

    Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.”

    John,

    And by whom are Blacks being victimized? The answer to that question is painfully obvious.

    ———

    It is painfully obvious to Jesse Jackson:

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.”

    Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in “Crime: New Frontier – Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue” by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996)

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson

  • ice

    32 — John Engelman wrote at 2:44 AM on November 29:

    1 — ice wrote at 5:14 PM on November 28:

    “The whites supporting Obama comprise the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population. There’s no nice way of pointing that out.

    “These people operate on a different wave length altogether, and while it is alleged they are educated, I seriously doubt they’re intelligent.

    “I wish only the worst for them and hope their traitorous attitudes bring them great suffering, because nobody deserves it more than they do.”

    ———-

    “You must be suffering yourself in order to feel such animosity.”

    I suffer not one whit my misguided friend, and it is high time more passion is shown from the right if for no other reason than as a psychological response to those rabid, frothing at the mouth liberals that have botched up the media and the universities to the point they’re no more than bigotted institutions housing ideologues who live in the Twilight Zone wherein they have created a world all their own that has no logical semblance to the real world.

    As just one example of many, these “intelligent” types on the left can’t understand their own studies that reveal the educational gap continues to stay the same and even widen in many instances between whites and blacks. (Though in reality the gap exists betwewen blacks and everybody else.) And they’re even more stupified when they learn those same studies reveal poor whites do better than wealthy blacks.

    They admit to being totally mystified as to their findings. They just can’t understand it at all. But they’re confronted many times with examples of reality like the achivement gap that is in stark contrast to their delusional fantasies, so they get their heads together and come up with another “intelligent” hypothesis that is based on lies and so ridiculously foolish even a high schooler can spot the nonsense of it all. Yet they seem to be perfectly happy carrying on with their pretenses. To call these people intelligent is an insult to people everywhere who are truly intelligent.

    In their delusional world race is simply a “social construct.” Surely only a brilliant liberal mind would could arrive at the conclusion that blacks and Eskimos are simply products of their environments and are really just one and the same in every respect, because, according to them, there is no such thing as race.

    Should I go on? I can, you know. I can list enough liberal stupidity to fill a book and have much of it edited out.

    “The white bi coastal elites who vote Democrat are not “the flakes, oddballs and misfits of the white population.” They did well at elite colleges and universities because of high IQ power. Now they earn high incomes in prestigious and satisfying careers.”

    They are not truly intelligent or they wouldn’t be drifting off into nonsensical things that have no logical basis in the real world. I.Q. is only ONE MEASURE of intelligence. It is their mental abberations that cause them to veer into a delusional world of their own making. You’re confusing intelligence with learning ability. Ever hear the term “educated idiot?” Well, I’m pretty sure it was coined just for the purpose of describing these types.

    “I envy them, but I do not dislike them.”

    Envy them? Good Lord who would want to be living in a delusional stuper where the truth is consistently denied and replaced with nonsensical concepts that are the products of disturbed minds? Surely you’re kidding.

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    26 — Question Diversity:

    This hilarious item at your link indicates maybe that the answerer was spoofing. Hard to tell for sure though, since as Lily Tomlin famously said, the difficulty with being a satirist is that it’s so hard to keep up (with reality).

    Q44: What is your favorite quote:

    A44: “Ask not what the color of your skin can do for you, ask what you can do for the color of your skin.” JFK. Oh wait, Martin Luther King.

    ——-

    Re Obama, here’s the 1990 NYTimes article on his editorship of the Harvard Law Review:

    “Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

    That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

    Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

    That last sentence is unbelievable!

  • ice

    Question Diversity:

    BTW, there is no “Social Security trust fund,” either in the individual or the collective. It’s not an annuity that a given FICA taxpayer pays into then draws out of starting at 62 or 65. One “pays into Social Security” in the sense that while one is working, one pays for existing Social Security beneficiaries at the time, with the understanding that the workers of the future will pay your Social Security. The deindustrializatoin of and the browning of America is breaking that intergenerational trust factor down.”

    Good post, QD. And regarding SS:

    SS was originally set up as a trust fund that was supposed to be inviolate, free from manipulation, evolving over the years as a kind of Congressional slush fund that has been used to supplement unfunded items in the budget. Incidentally, moving the money out into another area of expenditures in the private world would result in criminal charges and trials for the perpetrators. But the government isn’t held to the same standard.

    Congress has gotten a pass now for years. FICA paid for by the worker and the same amount by the employer, if invested for interest income, would very likely be enough to pay most workers through their retirement years. As I understand it, that wasn’t done specifically because it received so much opposition by radical liberals.

  • ice

    5 — John Engelman wrote at 5:57 PM on November 28:

    “Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.”

    This is the kind of assertions liberals use that I referred to above. It’s nonsensical on the face of it, because it is absolutely without merit as it is written.

    Proportionately per their share of the population, blacks DO suffer more crime than whites, but not numerically. And the vast majority of perpetrators of black crime are blacks.

    I’d advise you to download a copy of Amren’s “Color of Crime” from this website, because it is accurate and the information can be verified by referring to the US Dept. of Justice’s web site.

    Too, have you read Paul Sheehan’s article from the 1995 edition of the Sydney Morning Herald? The situation has gotten much, much worse since then.

    “By Paul Sheehan

    Newsday.com and

    The Sydney Morning Herald” “The Race War of BLack against White.” http://www.rense.com/general77/bvw.htm

    (Snip)

    “Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

    “Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent crimes of whites. ”

  • kulak

    Mike H writes:

    It will be amusing watching the Democratic party tear itself apart as the other racial groups tribal loyalty(blacks vote for blacks, and so on) becomes increasingly apparent to white liberals.

    The top anti-whites will keep the coalition together for as long as they can by increasing the pace and intensity of white genocide.

    Which is, after all, what they wanted to do all along. They are dropping their utilitarian pretense of concern for white labor (which served to divide whites) because they are confident that they are now powerful enough to do so.

    Most whites will leave the party.

    The top anti-whites will cling to power until they are kicked out of the Democratic party, just like they were kicked out of the NAACP.

    On the day they are kicked out, the anti-white coalition will fall apart — and the United States with it.

    And on that day, everybody will be happy about that.

  • John Engelman

    49 — ice wrote at 1:41 PM on November 29:

    5 — John Engelman wrote at 5:57 PM on November 28:

    “Blacks are far more likely to be crime victims than whites.”

    I’d advise you to download a copy of Amren’s “Color of Crime” from this website, because it is accurate and the information can be verified by referring to the US Dept. of Justice’s web site.

    ——-

    Thank you for the advice. I have read Jared Taylor’s “The Color of Crime” several times. I frequently quote it on this website.

    http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

  • Question Diversity

    47 HD:

    I’ve been going back and forth on whether this “Kaitlyn” is for real or whether someone she knows played a practical joke on her, or something in between. After all, someone who graduates from college with a 3.5 GPA, no matter the major, has to know that there’s no such thing as a unicorn, much less a unicorn ranch in Ireland. And, Teach for America recruits do fashion themselves to be intellectual, even if they are naive about the real racial world out there. Their delusional bubble gets popped on Day 10 of teaching school in the ghetto or barrio.

  • Mark

    Thank you, #23 and John Engelman. The demonization of white Democrats is a waste of time, in my opinion. Racial realism transcends party politics. Those who believe that the Republican Party can be sucessful as a party only of whites are fooling themselves. Like it or not, this country is becoming less white every day. Our goal should be to stick together and support other whites, not tear them down. Doing that only breeds contempt for our views.

  • IBT man

    I’ll hold my nose and vote for Obama because the grand old moneylenders’ party offers NOTHING to the white working man except the opportunity to fight neocon wars and maybe work at Herman Cain’s pizza joint after CEO Romney ships his job off to China. If Buchananism makes a comeback in the Republican Party, or any other party for that matter, I’ll be there in full support.

    That said, the Democratic Party attitude towards white America, based mostly on cultural contempt, is disgusting, and they deserve to keep losing elections as long as they express this contempt so openly and unabashedly.

  • Anon

    IBT Man-

    Yep, I’m a conservative Democrat who thinks Buchanan is great.

    The Republicans are still coming to terms with the fact that they are going to need white working- and middle-class votes to win elections in a future America with ever more numerous browns and blacks. You can see this in Ohio, where the Republicans, fresh off their 2010 victories, got crucified in the Issue 2 referendum after they tried to balance the budget on the backs of predominantly white public employees.

    The electorate is breaking along racial lines, completing a process that began in ’69, and establishment Republicans refuse to read the tea leaves.