Harvard Research Project Needs Young White Nationalists

To Whom It May Concern:

I am a sociology student at Harvard University conducting research for my senior thesis on young people who are active in the American white nationalist movement. I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.

Because I want to give young people involved in the movement the chance to tell their own stories and to put their perspectives out there, I am conducting interviews with young people ages 18-30 who identify as white nationalists. I wanted to reach out to you and see if any members of the Council of Conservative Citizens who fit my criteria would be willing to speak with me. All answers (as well as the name of the group) would be anonymized in my thesis, and the interview would take 45 minutes to an hour. I am located in Boston, MA, but would be more than happy to set something up via phone or Skype.

I am attaching an information sheet about my project, which further describes the ways I will protect participants and their data. If you have any other questions, I am more than happy to speak with you at any time.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Regards,

Keri Hartman

[email protected]

617-855-8163

[Editor’s Note: Any persons interested will have to contact Miss Hartman for the information sheet.]

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  • Anonymous

    “I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.”

    I would have thought someone setting up to write a thesis would have more conscientiously prepared their research goals and the presentation language used in the way she makes her initial contacts of the groups she wishes to study. That might make her project seem a little more scholastic and less a high-school social studies report. The way this sentence is structured implies that those she means to interview, white nationalists between 18-30 haven’t grown up yet. Her first sentence seems to imply that she is setting up to perform a hatchet job on the youngest and most intellectually undeveloped of “white nationalists.” She seems to telegraph such intention. It also seems to point out to me that she doesn’t really understand her subject very well. I wonder if she has ever read the term “race realism?” Many regular posters are not nationalists in the usual sense of it, but race separatists.

    I would suggest anyone thinking of contacting her for an interview look into her background and affiliations. It may be best to not cooperate with someone like her, who may be simply looking for some fodder for use against any notion of a pro-white movement or identity.

  • WR the elder

    Given that Keri Hartman works at Harvard University we can be sure that she wants to interview “white nationalists” in order to smear and demonize them. Even if I were in the right age bracket, and even if I liked the term “white nationalist” (I don’t much care for it) I wouldn’t volunteer.

  • Anonymous

    Study Keri’s background before agreeing to anything.

    The web page for the Athena program, of which Keri is co-director:

    http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/athena/

    Newspaper article about Keri being hs valedictorian:

    http://www.yoursouthhills.com/southhillsrecord/article/valedictorian-harvard-bound

    Keri’s blog from Vienna:

    http://blogs.central.edu/abroad/category/vienna-austria/page/5/

    Keri’s Google profile:

    https://plus.google.com/104817459436256704846

    Keri’s facebook:

    http://www.facebook.com/khartman927

    Keri’s LinkedIn profile:

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/keri-hartman/21/815/b17

  • GreatNorthWoods

    I wouldn’t trust any white person doing research from Harvard on this subject matter. Even if this graduate student is on the level, the research department and adviser would likely insist on presenting our motives as illegitimate, paranoid, far- right and everything else.

    It’s a lose,- lose for the participants. And the final thesis will paint them as fools.

    GNW

  • Fimbulvet

    Interesting… theoretically this could be a potentially positive thing. As a 23 year old White Nationalist, it seems like an attractive offer; to show that not all White Nationalist/Race Realists are belligerent Neo-Nazis. Undeniably there are those that are, but I feel most WN (whether they self identify as it or not) are reasonable people. And seeing as how she is directly addressing CofCC, I suspect that you would get an abundance of intelligent WNs. Of course being a WN… I would be hopelessly naive if I wasn’t suspicious of this offer. This could either be a friendly and genuine “lets get to know and understand WN, and see what their concerns are” — or it could be “how can we fix and stop these ‘dangerous’ ‘racist’ believes from spreading!’

    I would suspect that the latter would be more desirable for her academic pursuit – just imagine how that would look if she showed any sympathy without immediate condemnation! However she is a Sociology Major and could also be a nice a-political and unbiased look at the subject.

    I am curious about perhaps participating in this – if anything to show that we aren’t all irrational reactionary demons. Any thoughts about this? Good idea/bad idea?

  • Anonymous

    Keri is a typical product of modern higher learning, a feminist: “I love Athena because we are a community of high school and college women who are united to CHANGE THE WORLD.

    I can be a resource for owning up to privilege and using it productively, 1990s pop-punk, speaking up in class.”

    Perhaps reading up on her hero Maya Angelou, or familiarizing yourself with the ‘The Vagina Monologues’ will give you common ground, eh?! Otherwise I suspect it’d be like talking to a bag of hammers.

  • Anonymous

    I am attaching an information sheet about my project, which further describes the ways I will protect participants and their data. If you have any other questions, I am more than happy to speak with you at any time.

    ————————————————-

    First off, who is this Keri Hartman? She needs to be checked out thoroughly. Why the interest all of a sudden? WE have been demonized for decades and now this?

    Don’t trust these people, no matter who they say they are. We know how words can be twisted and edited by those who really do not like WN’s. They like to exploit them and then show the world how “evil” these White racialists are. WE know how the FBI, ADL/SPLC and our own government will use that information, don’t we?

  • Anonymous

    Somewhere behind the curtain there is a professor who is coaching her.

    If the prof is hostile to the concept of ‘white nationalism’, then the outcome is already determined.

  • Bill R

    I’m making assumptions here based on her attending Harvard (liberal enclave these days) and her being a feminist, and the belief that universities and colleges no longer do pure research, but rather start with a pre-conceived notion (agenda) and then “research” i.e. cherry pick or slant to affirm their pre-conceived notion. This is a hatchet job in the making. Anybody who participates can expect to see their name, or enough information about them to identify them without a name, smeared, demonized and slandered. There will be NO objectivity in this piece. She is hoping for some wild eyed, shaven headed, red suspender wearing folks, or for some kluxers, to respond.

    All race realists, white nationalists, white separatists will be tarred with THAT brush. Guaranteed. Else, why the need for a personal meet, or a Skype interview? She will pick the most frightening and weird, that’s why.

  • Zeitgeist

    As a 23 year old White Nationalist, it seems like an attractive offer; to show that not all White Nationalist/Race Realists are belligerent Neo-Nazis.

    Don’t be naive and assume she will show you, as a WN, in a positive light.

    Personally, I wouldn’t trust her, especially after reading the profiles Anon #3 provided. Athena’s mission statement reads: “the Athena Program provides a validating and supportive space to combat structural and internalized oppression.”

    Guess WHO she believes is the “internal and structural oppressor?” You, as a WN would only be fodder for her hateful, lefty screed. Steer clear.

  • Madison Grant

    It’s going to be a hatchet job. Even if this woman were sympathetic to us she probably would be too intimidated to say so publicly.

    Now if any of you want to blow off steam chatting with her, that’s your right. Just don’t get your hopes up that this will be anything but a hit piece.

  • sbuffalonative

    I’m split on this one.

    I agree with GWN. I don’t trust this person to be objective in any way. I believe she has an agenda. When I read, “I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up”, what I’m hearing is, ‘I want to know why these young men are racists’.

    On the other hand, I agree with Fimbulvet that this is an opportunity to get intelligent young men to speak for the cause. It would be better to interview CofCC and AR members than to find angry, confused, and violent young me.

    Is it a set-up or an honest inquiry? I don’t know. However, from past experience, I don’t want to aid any liberal in their agenda.

  • ice

    I get the impression that she’s anything but objective and has a liberal mindset that can’t be changed by any amount of objective information. Massachusetts, especially the Boston area, isn’t known for tolerating any thoughts other than those that have to do with airhead liberalism, so anything she writes is going to be framed as a kind of exposé.

    I’m pretty sure she’s taking off on this project with the same attitude she would if she were interviewing murderers to find out why they did what they did, and I’m equally certain she feels that murderers are a cut above white nationalists.

    Somebody she interviews should tell her that if she waits a while longer, when the rabble are beating at her door, she’ll be able to see up close and personal why people choose white nationalism. Right now she’s so smug with her obvious feelings of moral superiority she’s blind to the truth.

    I really think she would be more comfortable with a thesis that answers the question about why whites are so evil and cruel.

  • Anonymous

    Look, people in academics have to write. In grad school, they have to publish.

    I would not trust this young woman in the least, given her profile, but she is mainly full of it, as are most social scientists, or wannabe – social scientists.

    It’s just junk to fill a page, to manufacture a career, to gain undeserved nototiety, to cash in. Just like being some nutjob pseudo- actor on a reality tv show, or a sleazy salesperson, or a politician. Just acting, to get ahead.

    ANON#3: GREAT job on showing us a bit of who this little marxist is.

    She’ll probably either get some deluded unfortunates to fill her little “study,” or give up on it and write a thesis on white male repression of the gynoverse.

  • HH

    This one is about as transparent as they come. This young woman’s background, affiliations and interests plainly telegraph her true intentions. I believe one would have to be an imbecille to expect fair-handed, unbiased treatment from such an obvious ideologue. Don’t humor the enemy…

  • Anonymous

    Here’s the description of the Athena Program at Harvard which she is involved with:

    “Through mentoring relationships, workshops, and conferences, the Athena Program provides a validating and supportive space to combat structural and internalized oppression. We are working towards a world where gender does not determine your confidence, aspirations, and opportunities in life. ”

    No surprise that she wants to interview “white nationalists”.

    I think she should work in a predominantly black school, or live in any city in black Africa and work with real Africans, or live in a black area in Atlanta, for about a year, and then she would have a better starting point for judging those who love white culture and race.

    From her blog she has spent some time in the wonderful country of Austria. I would like her to compare her experience of Austrians and Austrian culture with an experience of blacks and black culture. She can go ahead and pick whatever is the pinnacle of black culture, whichever black city is the best. I don’t know which one to recommend because all black cities hellholes, but she can evaluate and pick.

    Again, that’s what she needs to do before she can judge those who love the white race.

  • Anonymous

    If one’s anonymity is preserved (either by Miss Hartman or oneself), I see this as something potentially positive. When most people hear the words “white nationalist”, they think of low class kooks. This is certainly an opportunity to set someone on the correct path.

    Fimbulvet at 8:05 PM – This could either be a friendly and genuine “lets get to know and understand WN, and see what their concerns are” —- or it could be “how can we fix and stop these ‘dangerous’ ‘racist’ believes from spreading!’

    After four years of Harvard, I would suspect the latter approach. Still, she may be friendly and good natured about stopping what she sees as bad, as opposed to a zealous crusader for the Thought Police.

  • Ghettomaker

    Apparently this Keri Hartman does not believe in using the internet. There are numerous white nationalist websites to read.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe I’m a bit cynical. But the white-nationalists who show up will more than likely be those who pretend to be WN in order to watch and monitor these groups, having been influenced by the ‘what you can do’ section in books that are assigned right there at Harvard, not to mention the influence of every TV show they’ve ever watched. So it would likely be a ‘hard-corps’ group and perhaps make an interesting spectacle tho without much real to be learned. I would do it tho if I weren’t so old.

  • GenX ANZAC

    Granted this is cynical assumption, but coming from Harvard U me thinks that she’ll probably looking for ‘a cure’.

    Then again a dialogue of some sorts, is better than the usual ‘three wise monkeys’ approach from *the left.

    *As leftist ideology now occupies the centre of the political spectrum, to me this makes all commentators under the classification of RW extremist, a default leftist to some degree.

    This mainstreaming of a type of extremism in itself, reminds me of the quote “The Devil’s greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn’t exist”, in that attitudes that were once thought crazy are now considered ‘natural’.

    This is Tim Wise and his ilk’s plan, which is rolling forward virtually unopposed (present company excluded).

    Barring a large scale calamity, eventually a generation will be born into this world of indoctrinated tripe, who’ll have no grandparents or great grandparents who can recall ever living in any other type of world themselves, than the current double speak nightmare which we all now endure.

    There’ll be nothing to fix, because they’ll be no one living with an actual alternative point of reference.

    As we know recorded history, can and is so regularly rewritten so casually by today’s Marxist academic’s out to make a name for themselves, by rebranding a iconic hero from yesteryear into today’s coward, closet homosexual, a slave owning bully or a miscegenation practising hypocrite.

    By today’s ever changing moral standards virtually everyone born fifty years ago +, who was below the rank of saint or martyr, would be considered a monster today (and so Hollywood tells us).

    This type of victory by the left is born through suppression of thought and speech and is one of attrition (the longer it all remains like this, the harder it will be to turn around).

    The White race is being denied an honourable defeat by a better adversary, instead we’ve been tripped up by our own need to gain some moral parity, after being brow beaten by the moral supremacists for over half a century on our (universally human) shortcomings.

    Although we still manage to avoid gaining any positive credit for this desire for atonement as it’s probably not happening fast enough.

    Never mind the fact that most of our so called historical atrocities are mostly a case of us doing to the other group first, what they’d done to us given the opportunity (or inherent capability), so in that sense we’re victims of our own success and ability (and now conscious).

    It doesn’t take much to be considered a RW extremist these days; all you have to do is, have had remained consistent in your beliefs for the last few decades.

    As the wheel turns no doubt, eventually even today’s moderate to middle leftists, will one day be considered (reclassified) RW by tomorrow’s Hawaiian shirt wearing, love and tolerance preaching, (we’re doing this for the good of ‘the people’) fascist progressives.

    Better to come over to this side voluntarily, than be pushed over kicking and screaming having been adorned with that dreaded scarlet letter.

    Like the famous comment once made by a past (now defunct? hopefully not) Amren conference attendee about the joy of” being among the living”, I too feel as if I am breathing the freshest of air when partaking in the political incorrect, anything less is mind narrowing, small, fearful (of judgement), restraining, oppressive or suppressive depending on whether the pressure is internal or external in its origins.

    To exert internal ‘self censorship’ of one’s own thoughts being the ultimate goal for when the indoctrinated thinks to themselves, and to exert external outward pressure on others when they’re sharing their ‘incorrect’ thoughts aloud.

    There is no right or wrong, winning or losing arguments anymore only authorised and unauthorised topics and those who follow the rules and those who break them.

    It’s no little wonder that ‘the majority’ gets confused, feels mentally sick or chooses the safe path when thinking about such subjects. I probably sound crazy myself, but I still choose to live in hope that logic will prevail one day before it’s too late.

    Pardon if this rant has little to do with the original article, or maybe it has everything to do with it.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who starts off asking the “why” of white nationalism is obviously lacking a crucial moral sense concerning the survival of European racial groups.

    This study is going to be used to try to identify the “ins” to white nationalism in order to attempt to block our message from reaching the young. It sounds like a great precursor to making the sequel to American History X. *gag*

    Do yourselves a favor everyone and don’t give this school more fuel for their white funeral pyre.

  • karsten

    Frankly, anyone who would consent to be interviewed by her would be exercising colossally bad judgment — and that is putting it diplomatically.

    It has always been the Achilles heel of traditionalists to naively impute positive motives to their opponents. This is how many leftists got positions in academia in the first place — at which point they imposed their cultural Marxist agenda.

    ”Hatchet job” would be a polite way of describing what she plans to do. She will be pathologizing anyone she comes into contact with. Remember: she will have editorial control and will be able to twist words and engineer the vision she wants.

    This project has zero chance of objectivity and zero chance of being even neutral, let alone positive, towards anyone who participates.

  • hcl

    Her blog says she’s a senior at Harvard. This is thus merely a senior thesis (i.e., unimportant).

    I happen to know awakened sociology majors. They CANNOT write any fair paper/article on such subjects, and as such must put out hatchet jobs. They know it well or they may as well forget any future professorship.

  • Anonymous

    I would qualify to be a subject in her study as a 21 year old university student. However, there are some major red flags associated with this thesis. First of all, she has omitted the design thesis of her project which means she is either extremely disorganized (not likely), or she is aware of the inherent bias within her project and knows she will get less responses if potential participants know their statements will be used against their side.

    I would recommend not responding to this student’s request. Her “thesis” is more than likely an editorialized liberal rant on the threat of the growing anti-immigration sentiment and the resulting emergence of a white identity.

    So, on behalf of myself and others who can discern your purpose, please go away.

  • Gerald Martin

    I met a number of intelligent, articulate young college students at the NPI conference two weeks ago. And I’ve had considerable contact with two young folks under 30 – Jaenelle Antas & Matt Parrott – who could hold their own against just about anyone, of any age. They and the guys I met at the conference would make impressive subjects for Miss Hartman’s research. Perhaps I’m naive, but I don’t think she is necessarily out to do a hatchet job, although she probably is prejudiced against people with our views. But if we have confidence in our ideas, in their power and truth, then shouldn’t this student at our most prestigious and influential university meet some of our best and brightest “young guns?” Who knows, we might convert her to our side, or at least put a serious dent in her (presumed) liberal arrogance about the facts of race.

  • (AWG) Average White Guy

    I assume her thesis is already written; if not literally, at least in her mind.

    What is needed are warm bodies to give her project legitimacy.

    First, I would discourage anyone from participating. There is nothing to gain and much to lose.

    Second, if you do participate, insist on being allowed to video record every aspect of the interview process.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way on earth I would ever trust this Miss Hartman. I know all about the informed consent process, we’ll protect your privacy, blah, blah, blah. I still don’t trust these people, especially from Harvard.

    Anyway, they always tell you that your answers are not linked to you personally. Well, yes, if the people in charge of the study have integrity. However, every interview has an ID number, so if someone with no scruples really wanted to know who you are they could find out.

    Lastly, this thing about 45 minutes to an hour is nonsense. Think one hour to an hour and a half, maybe more. I’ve been doing surveys for some years now. They always under estimate the time, otherwise no one would do them. As a matter of fact, I’m currently working on one that says it will take 30-60 minutes. Some of them go over 2 hours.

    Beware!

  • Antidote

    Come, let us reason together! Come, let us dialogue! I believe it was Mao who urged everyone to speak freely and get everything off one’s chest by saying, “Let a hundred flowers blossom; Let every opinion be heard…..” This went on for about three years and when all the suckers had laid their cards on the table and voiced all their complaints, the round ups and the re-education centers started up.

    Don’t go, young racial realists. I smell a rat….. many rats.

  • Anonymous

    What motivates people to join White Nationalism is very simple just so you know. It is the perceived injustices executed upon white people by people who do not have their best interests at heart. There are many specifics:

    Diversity hiring practices which are perceived to favor those who are not straight, white, or male. These practices are perceived as doubly difficult when done by the government in contravention of constitutional bans on discrimination which are perceived not to apply vis a vis white males.

    Governmental behavior perceived to be designed to harm the white family. Easy divorces, legalized morality crimes, abortion, etc. are perceived to have damaged the white nuclear family.

    The perceived existence of a foe who is determined to destroy white people who are innocent of any crime: feminists such as Susan Sonntag who once called suburbs “Christian breeding grounds”, nonwhites who perceive everything whites do as racist, and bias crimes which do not apply when nonwhites commit bias crimes but apply to a white preacher preaching about homosexuality, which are then perceived as attempts to criminalize whites who commit no crime.

    The list of perceived attacks on white people is very long in the white nationalist community. You should be able to find them and judge for yourself pretty easily on the internet. Good luck to you and I hope you will approach this subject as an open minded scientist and accept whatever truth you find.

  • bannister

    Listen, this girl may very well be a liberal. But so what? If White Nationalism is to grow, it needs well spoken representatives who will step to the plate and answer questions honestly and forthrightly.

    Imagine if Jared Taylor never did interviews because people might smear him or try to distort his message – we would never have heard of him!

  • Anon

    Something’s not right here.

    Thanks for posting the links, Commenter #3.

    Her HS data sheet says she’s a whiz at Physics.

    But the above states that she is a sociology student working on her senior thesis. How do you go from physics to sociology?

    All I can figure is maybe a really, really heavy box of electrons fell off a shelf while she was in physics lab, and hit her in the head, leaving her with a mild concussion. Such that, she is now unable to differentiate between the various Mannheim scales on her slide rule. Which – in turn – would lead to a change of declared Major at Harvard.

    The email address is suspect: @fas.harvard.edu. You go through fas before you get Keri.

    Tell you what, Keri. Why don’t you change the subject of your thesis to: Why do Black People like to kill White people so much?

    Google ‘Eve Carson’.

    Google ‘Wichita Massacre’.

    Google ‘Censorbugbear’.

    Google ‘GenocideWatch’.

    Question for you, Keri. How many recognized stages of genocide exist?

    Another question: At what number stage have the white people of Southern Africa been placed?

    The United Nations has its own office that deals with genocide. You might contact them or Genocide Watch, I think GW is hooked up with the UN. These people are not nutters.

  • Ken

    Steer clear of this PEOPLE! Keri Hartman is an intern for the Center for Public Interest Careers, she interns for a multicultural youth group called GenerationOn.com They are always looking for clever new ways to celebrate the destruction of white people, here is an example http://goo.gl/lpFv1

    This took me literally 30 seconds of searching, that’s how blatant it is.

  • sheila

    How original…I could dig up an old essay from grad school on the topic of the structural analysis of neo-nazi groups that might tell her all she needs to know…then again (yawn) let her do her own work…I understand the standards for Harvard just ain’t what it used to be (sigh).

  • sheila

    Then again, my essay also included Black Nationalism as well as Christian Identity.

    “I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements,…”

    Interestingly, what *motivates* the youth to seek out these groups were all very much the same.

    “…as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.”

    hmmmmmmm…one might imagine.

  • Anonymous

    As long as you’re ANONYMOUS I don’t see the harm in talking to her. Since our ideas are based on logic and facts and you can communicate that to her then there is nothing to worry about. OK they can distort what you say and try to make race realists look like idiots, is that anything new?

    What I think is going on here is that she wants to find out how people turn in to racists so they can figure out how to fight against the process. What I can’t figure out is how white people turn in to Liberals.

  • Realistic Aussie

    I would very much like to talk to this Keri, however being in Australia, I guess I am out of the equation. Right age just about too.

    Surely it wouldn’t be too hard to extend research over a few western, white civilizations, would it? I mean, targeting Americans singularly can help them demonize WNs. But spreading the search over different continents, and finding the SAME ideas and observations, by many INTELLIGENT people.

    If I were to go for an interview, I would make sure to take a stack-load of facts and statistics to give to her, and quote throughout. Hell, I would suit up, and put on an almighty professional and educated show. See how they like that.

  • Jupiter7

    Keri Hartman

    Have you ever considered living in Newark New Jersey or Hempstead NY..both places have been blessed many times over by post-1965 diversity. If you did, then you could experience the transformation into White Nationalism..or as I like to all: Native Born White American Patriotism. It’s about time that you give up your White privilege..

    Why isn’t Noam Chomsky living in Newark NJ..how about Alexander Cockburn?..it is very sad to see how these leftists are depriving themselves of the blessings of diversity.

  • Grandpa Jeff

    I’ve commented on a few articles found on this great website (actually, pretty innocuous comments) but for the past few weeks, I’ve been noticing something very strange happening. I realize that American Renaissance has been experiencing some technical difficulties, and has lost some comments, but this appears to be something different. My comments are somehow being blocked BEFORE they ever reach your website. Two weeks ago, I got a message saying, “Your correspondence could not be delivered due to a technical malfunction involving your server.” Yet all my other e-mails to family and friends got through the same server without a hitch. The message I received had the letters OIT and a string of numbers/letters at the bottom. I am quite ignorant about computers, and perhaps I’m just being paranoid, but for the past few weeks, I’ve been inundated with spam containing links to articles regarding “hate speech”. I have had a first-rate firewall installed on my computer and I never open correspondence from folks I don’t know, but this has spooked me. If this comment gets through, can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

    [No treachery. This is part and parcel of our technical problems. — Moderator]

  • Jack D.R.

    Remember, the individual is not received into one of these so-called institutions of higher learning unless they “sing a certain tune” and show a certain way of thinking. Any type data may be manipulated for certain results. I would venture to guess, Ms. Hartman has already made up her mind as to the results she is after and the outcome that must be produced. These type young people sell their souls and their race to please the gods of multiculturalism. Thus, I suspect any accumulated information, as to the project, will be moved into the “Bad Whitey” syndrome. Personally, I do not trust the project, the person, or the institution.

    I would also state that Ms. Hartman will, most probably, read the comments/posts written on this site.

    Now to a different thought. If this young lady is of European/Nordic stock, can one imagine what she could accomplish for her race? No, she would never receive the fancy Ph.D. from Harvard; however, she could look herself in the mirror each morning and realize what a wonderful and magnificent race she has been blessed to belong within (a culture of the ages: to the Egyptian to the Greek to the Roman to the European and European American and forward). Some races need a month of recognition; Ms. Hartman, our race resides within the Encyclopedia Britannica. She could look herself in the mirror each morning and realize that this country was established for only her and only her race (European Americans/Europeans) by her Founding Fathers (European Americans/Europeans). If Ms. Hartman had cultivated the European American/European racially aware mindset, one can only imagine and dream of what she could accomplish for her race.

  • Paleface 6

    Why no White Nationalists over the age of thirty? Might we be skilled enough in anti-propaganda techniques (as well as just having enough life experience) to sense the meaning behind a carefully worded question, and give an answer that skews the data back toward reality?

  • Anonymous

    If I was the right age group, and the right nationality, I would participate in this study. Obviously the researcher knows nothing about her research subject, and is unlikely to have much academic integrity, and wants to demonise white nationalists. But she’s going to do that anyway, so you might as well contribute some facts to the research. Some facts will leak out, and whatever science we can put out there is good. I’m a strong believer in contributing to scientific research wherever possible, even if the researchers are flawed. They probably will at least protect your confidentiality, since that is one principle academics still follow (because it’s a humanitarian principle, not a scientific one).

  • Anonymous

    Can anyone doubt that a sociology student in 2011 is anything but a feminist and multiculturalist? I bet a request to interview a poor racial minority group would have taken a different tone along the line of “please share with me your heart warming struggles to advocate for your civil rights amidst stifling oppression from eurocentric patriarchal society.”

  • Anonymous

    Just remember if you are interested in participating that she is going to be graded in some way or another on this project by a liberal professor and that you are going to be used in reaching the conclusion that will give her a successful grade.

  • Vick

    Of course she’s hostile to white nationalists (whatever those are). Make no mistake about it.

    Thanks to #3 Anonymous at 7:31 PM for gathering the background info on Keri. We get who you are, Keri.

    Her offer to AmRen is dripping with the usual elitist liberal smug condescension. You can just hear her saying “well of course we know that the old white nationalists are just a bunch of bitter holdovers from America’s racist past, but what could possibly motivate someone my age to be so horrible and nasty?!” That might as well be the name of her project.

    Before I agreed to work with her (and I most likely never would no matter what) I would ask to see some of her other writing. Does she show any familiarity at all with the issues that concern people who speak up for white interests? It shouldn’t be your job to educate her, nor should you walk into a situation where you will be used as a two-dimensional caricature for Harvard’s typical shoddy, grade-inflated, undergraduate wankery.

    And Keri, if you’re reading this, here’s one little article, just one little recent news story, to set you on what for you is going to be a long, long path towards understanding why so many average American white people look towards pro-white news sources like AmRen to find out what’s really going on in this country:

    http://bit.ly/pqdlG7

    You’re one of the privileged elite. You need to start your research where most white people in this country actually live, and what they face in their daily lives.

    That’s where you will find true White Nationalism.

  • Scott of the Arctic

    It is disheartening to read several comments from people who are willing to participate. This has always been a shortcoming of whites: extending trust innocently.

    Young Miss Hartman isn’t doing this to give you a “voice.” She isn’t doing this to find out what white nationalists are or what makes them tick. There isn’t any objectivity in this type of research.

    You should not ever assume that responses will be truly anonymous. In fact, she says that interviews could be conducted with Skype. That in itself lets you know that what you say will be permanently recorded.

    Apply the Miranda warning here: Anything that you say can and will be used against you.

    Please understand that what she is doing is not scientific research; that it is not done with any intention of discovering truth. While it is possible that she is deluded into thinking that she is doing scientific research, because her paper will likely have statistical data and statistical tests, don’t you be similarly deluded.

  • Miss Whitey

    I agree with many of the comments here. We need to move cautiously on her offer. She might be setting up the White Advocacy movement by obtaining as much information about us as possible and then giving this information to the anti-white people. Then, the anti-white people will frame future attacks against us with this information they were given by our people.

    I really think the anti-white people are beginning to see that more White people are waking up. They might be trying to circumvent our awakening. Or, Miss Hartman might be legitimately trying to understand why we believe as we do.

    Please young White people, research her ideology first before you agree to meet her.

  • Ubermensch

    “I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements”

    Caucasian + Non-Caucasian = Non-caucasian

    Seems like simple math to me.

  • Paul

    I agree that her final paper will be critical or hostile, but I also agree with bannister #30. Getting our ideas out there is necessary. Those that are sympathetic to the WN cause, but haven’t contacted us yet, might read her paper and agree with our arguements. I know years ago I always tuned into talk shows or read books about WN groups because despite the negative light they were cast in, I understood the WN points. Many white people reading her paper will only be interested in what you say not any negative comments and conclusions that she attaches to you after the interview.

    It doesn’t sound like she is looking to argue or ambush a WN during the conversation so just state your views very reasonably and clearly and tell your story. Don’t get sucked into a petty argument about fine details or issues that don’t mean much (ie, the old talk show host baited question “how do you decide who is white? If you can’t do this, white people don’t exist and you are simply a blind hater”)

    I would consider it but I’m too old.

  • cpascal

    Most of the posters here think that Ms. Hartmann is looking for race conscious whites so that she can tear them apart in her paper, and considering what Harvard is like these days, I tend to agree. Schools like Harvard originally got their excellent reputations by passing on Western culture and adding to it, but today they’re amongst the institutions which promote displacing the white people who created that culture. I found an article about Harvard’s entrance requirements back in 1892 at http://goo.gl/L28bT.

    Amongst other things, the students needed a knowledge of four foreign languages to get in. It’s a sad example as to how the educational system has been dumbed down when you think that today, many high school graduates are illiterate.

  • Henry Clay

    “with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.”

    Dear fellow European Americans, note the words above by Winston Churchill issued in May 1940 during the Battle of Britain. We cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We cannot wait to pick our ground to fight for our physical and cultural survival. Those of you who are young and articulate must take part in this Harvard study and take the battle to the enemy. We must apply the words of Churchill to our present dilemma. We must talk about the injustice of reverse discrimination in jobs, college admissions, and scholarships. We must talk about the burdens of taxes and crime visited upon us and the marginalization, incremental extinction, and dystopia to which our misguided elites are leading us. This is a fight for liberation and survival–go, speak–and if one narcotized liberal begins to see the light because of you–that is a major step on the road for victory.

  • Mike from not-Queens

    Here’s the thing: She will do her study and get her grade and then no one will read it again. It might be covered in the media because it will fit “the narrative” for a hit piece on whites and hoping for the authorities to initiate a new round of indoctrination ala University of Delaware resident program.

    All good, except the shelf life of this effort has long since reached the stage of diminishing returns and will soon expire outright. It is already showing signs of it and the proof of it is in the topic of the paper itself, YOUNG White Nationalists.

    Hence some Harvard thesis adviser noticed that a growing number of youths are being more vocal about their white nationalism and perhaps a great many are in agreement but silent and fears for those right-thinking white deracinates who might be at risk of ingesting the poison. So she sicks one of her young aspirants on us, enter Miss Hartman, and instructs her to shelve the vinegar and use honey to attract the filthy WN flies. Clumsily I might add.

    My take is that this will amount to nothing I hope some of our brighter, young college WNs will take the opportunity to pull her chain and have a little fun with the little dummy. Maybe two or more of them could team up and spin her around a bit. Not even that is worth the time but it might be fun if you have a couple of hours to kill.

  • sbuffalonative

    I said I was split on this because I thought it might give intelligent White Nationalist a platform however I would strongly urge caution in aiding and abetting the enemy.

    Social science experiments are never what they are stated to be.

    When I was in college, I used to participate in the experiments that offered money (5 or even 10 a shot).

    The researcher would always tell me what the experiment was supposed to test. However, there was always a hidden aspect to the research. They tell you they’re researching A when in fact they’re researching B. Halfway into the session, it would become obvious what they were really researching.

    Think of the experiments where they asked people to test peoples memory by giving unseen strangers shocks. The experiment had nothing to do with memory but were designed to test how easily people could be made to obey commands.

    I strongly suspect that this person isn’t looking to understand White Nationalists. What she’s looking for is information that can tell her and her comrades how White Nationalists learn to be racists, at what stage, and how much home environment plays a role.

    The findings will likely be used to find a link between early childhood and developing ‘racist’ views. The goal is likely to be finding early intervention methods to counter ‘racist’ upbringing.

    To them, people are nothing more than lab rats and they are always looking for new ways to manipulate us.

    As much as I might be tempted to express my views, I wouldn’t participate.

  • Mike B.

    Let’s see…

    Harvard

    Sociology major

    From her graduation story link:

    “She said her biggest accomplishment was organizing the school’s multicultural festival, which focused on the school’s diversity.”

    From the Athena link:

    “Empowering feminine blah, blah, blah”

    Did she also ask if she could speak to any 18-30 y/o black power advocates (i.e. pretty much any rap/drug thug from any city of your choice) to see what “motivates” them to destroy white people and Western Civilization, because they have nothing else to do? I mean, THEN it would have been ‘fair and balanced.’ You know – as in, ‘We report – you decide.’

    And FWIW – don’t think for one minute that this will be ‘anonymous.’ Ten minutes after you get interviewed, Eric Holder and the Congressional Black Caucus will be sitting in your kitchen, waiting for you to come home.

    I think I’ll email Mz. ‘I used to be a Physics Major, but I switched to Sociology, because it’s so much easier and the only requirement is that you have to be a Stepford Wife leftist’ just for the heck of it. Or she can email me – my email’s up there.

  • Jack in Chicago

    Really good job Anonymous #3 for doing the search work to present who this woman is.

    This is what we need to do with so many clear enemies/adversaries such as the agribusiness owners who promote neo slave labor, employing hundreds of NW illegal aliens at sub minimum wage rates.

    We need to PERSONALIZE the struggle, name names, post pictures – publicly “out” those who are profiting by hurting/betraying our people.

  • Tom Iron

    It doesn’t matter one way or another if anyone goes to this thing. We’re long past discussion about race in this country. When we wanted to talk, they wouldn’t let us. Now is too late.

  • Anonymous

    “Somewhere behind the curtain there is a professor who is coaching her.”

    I think more the ADL or SPLC or even FBI or ATF.

    I did send her an email telling her that I am too old to participate but that there is no White Nationalist movement.

    A movement actually does something. We have no money, no organizations, no real program. All we can do is talk to each other and try to raise consciousness of other Whites.

    The only Whites who have done any thing for the last 40 years are White police and fire departments that filed driscrimination lawsuits. Whether they won or lost, there is still discrimination against Whites in all goverment jobs. I mispoke. It’s not discrimination, it is a total ban.

    The various anti affirmative initiatives at state level were always passed. Absolutely nothing however, was ever done to enforce them. Prop 209 in California passed and has never, never been enforced. One reason is that federal law supersedes state law and federal mandates no Whites need apply.

    I really think that Prop 209 and the anti affirmative action iniatives were controlled opposition to make Whites believe there was hope that the discrimination against us would stop.

    It hasn’t. I didn’t bother to check her out. She is a woman. She is at Harvard. That says it all.

    PHD in sociology? There are thousands of sociology PHDs out there and only abut 15 job openings a year. The openings are mostly non tenured part time.

    Could be that she has been promised an actual job if she can entrap some Whites into using the N word or talking about guns and the constitution. Then ADL FBI SPLC ATF charges them with hate speech.

    The Russians did this after WW2 when there still some resistance movements in their newly aquired countries in Eastern Europe.

    The local communists set up dissident groups, drew all the dissidents in and them executed them.

    Standard lefty tactic.

    Don’t get in touch. Most of all , stay away from those northwest homeland gun rights groups. They are all either creations of ADL SPLC FBI ATF or throughly infiltrated.

  • Anonymous

    5 — Fimbulvet wrote at 8:05 PM on September 23:

    Don’t get involved Fimbulvet. I emailed her that there is no actual White Nationalist movement. I however, am retired. No one can hurt me. A person your age getting involved would get your name on all sorts of lists.

    I have known many people like her. I worked with many weather underground people and many who had gone to Cuba for revolution training. They were all on the run, living under assumed names.

    They all worked in federal goverment war on poverty programs.

    The people who ran those programs knew who they were.

    I knew Bernadette Dohrn under another name when she lived in San Francisco and planted the bomb at Park police station and killed officer McDonnel and blinded another.

    I worked with black panthers and friends and relatives of the Zebra killers.

    At the time they were revolutionaries. They now rule the country.

    They now rule the country. I know how they entrap people.

    Don’t get involved.

  • Anonymous

    19 — Anonymous wrote at 10:27 PM on September 23:

    “Maybe I’m a bit cynical. But the white-nationalists who show up will more than likely be those who pretend to be WN in order to watch and monitor these groups, having been influenced by the ‘what you can do’ section in books that are assigned right there at Harvard, not to mention the influence of every TV show they’ve ever watched. So it would likely be a ‘hard-corps’ group and perhaps make an interesting spectacle tho without much real to be learned. I would do it tho if I weren’t so old. ”

    Good observation. This suggests the likely outcome that she will produce a paper without vetting the submission. This means that a black woman who might hang a noose on her own door, or a black man who impersonates a K cross burning or mailed threat could easily impersonate a “White Nationalist.”

    And that brings up another thought since I first posted (#1) on this issue. How will she guarantee that her interviewers are under 30 or over 18? I agree with those who suppose that she doesn’t want to interview well educated and experienced whites who will no doubt out match her on the subject. She operates on a set of contrived “ethics” that tell her to deceive and exploit her subject on the claimed moral ground and “testagonistic” goals (a term I coined). She deserves to be deceived by 40-50 year old white realists. So the alternative to ignoring her and her obvious aims for pursuing her project is to out maneuver her by sending her classic AR articles, a copy of “Why Race Matters” and any number of other well prepared materials such as “The Color of Crime,” on either the White Nationalist/separatist, and race realism issues and even consider impersonating her chosen age group of interview victims.

    We have her address. She is a naive liberal whose boldness is buoyed via an assumption of righteousness. She should see all delivery services several times a week delivering diverse reading material to her.

    Of course, I recommend that such material be more on objective experience and historical misconceptions rather than arguments based in emotional objections such as religious ones.

    As an aside, it would be interesting to learn of her sexual orientation/dating habits.

  • Phil

    When sanity returns to the world I’d like to interview some lefties in a similar case study and see what is their excuse for their anti-logical worldview.

  • South African

    Just ensure this is not a research trick on white nationalists for devising the most effective way to best neutralize them.

  • Anonymous

    If Miss Hartman wants to know “what motivates young people to participate in these movements,” she should spend a few years living in inner-city Detroit, or East LA, or Newark. Go where the diversity is, young lady!

  • Anonymous

    Anybody in their right mind who answers this stupid attempt to ruin their lives deserve this ruination. All information will be sent to the government and every military branch, police academy, college admissions officials, and Homeland Security. Even commenting on this article will be noted by the power elite. I am too old to care what the government knows or thinks about me, but our young seed corn doesn`t need to be exposed to wheat rot by falling into this trap.

    Charles B. Tiffany

    Kissimmee, Florida

  • Anonymous

    It might be very revealing how thoroughly she is acquainted with the work regarding personality and politics done by H. J. Eysenck and some of his students, reaching back into the 1950’s. It is, of course, beside the point what conclusion she has about the value of such work, but a failure to know of it thoroughly would be a “pink flag” . Perhaps the greatest psychologist of the second half of the 20th century (?), Eysenck has often been closely studied and often not cited in the US–often not mentioned from the lectern but eagerly discussed in confidential private conversation. That’s about as fine a commendation as one can have earned in contemporary America. Among scholars crediting Eysenck with early and favorable influence upon their work are Arthur Jensen and Christopher Brand.

  • Anonymous

    There is in UK research a concept of “toughmindedness” that

    was later formulated into a presumed into a “P factor” of

    personality. It may yet have heuristic value. The sorts of

    persons measured high on this trait would likely be among the first to see that “the Emperor has no clothes” and perhaps to shout out the insight to those who did not wish to realize the

    stark realism of the Emperor’s situation . Information about Keri

    does not suggest she’s this kind of see-er.

  • Anonymous

    35 — Anonymous wrote at 6:19 AM on September 24:

    As long as you’re ANONYMOUS I don’t see the harm in talking to her.

    _______________________________________________________________

    You’re NEVER totally anonymous. Here it looks like she got hold of the membership list of the Council of Conservative Citizens. She says, “All answers (as well as the name of the group) would be anonymized in my thesis…” When she says the name of the group she’s probably referring to the different state chapters. Then she talks about an interview which means she’ll have your phone number.

    Answers might be anonymized in her thesis, but she can easily find out who you are. Sounds like a fishing expedition to me. I’d avoid it like the plague.

  • sbuffalonative

    I’m not so paranoid as to believe this woman is going to pass names and information to government agencies or employers.

    My concern is that whatever raw statistical information she collects will be used by someone else to find ways to counter White Nationalism.

    As “Jim” posted on http://www.thepolitcalcesspool.org :

    “They want to “understand” you only to the extent that they can “cure” you.”

    Or to put it another way, ‘anything you say can and will be used against you’ by someone in some form.

  • Natassia

    Interviewer: Why are you a white nationalist?

    Me: I was introduced to the reality of black behavior at a young age. Ghetto black girls bullied me something terrible in middle school.

  • RH

    I wouldn’t trust the anonymity thing, but if your name is out there already, like it is with Matt Parrott, then you should go for it. Going around pouting that the world is unfair is for losers. WNs are so marginalized that even bad publicity is good. And academics is not like writing short newspaper articles; they have to give you some chance to make your points.

  • WhipCracker

    When David Duke did his first interview he was a young man within the age group Keri is seeking and did so in such a manner as to persuade many to become White Nationalists. Duke went on to do many television interviews, (while still young) and wowed the audiences and enlightened many who were unenlightened.

    Under attack, Duke kept his composure and responded knowledgeably and with great restraint to any questions he was asked, even while being attacked.

    We do have young White Nationalists today who are just as informed and qualified as Duke was in his young years.

  • McGillicuddy

    I am not as cynical as the rest of you guys. Sure, she could piece together our beliefs by reading the comments of sites like this, but she wants personal stories, character portraits, and the like. My guess is that while she may not lay awake at night contemplating the morals and philosophy of white nationalism, she is not going to twist your words to write a vicious smear-piece either; she just wants some fluff.

    I happen to be a twenty-something white nationalist, and an American, but I don’t know, I guess I’m not the sort who wants the attention of strangers, unless it is for an accomplishment-which is perhaps even less mainstream than white nationalism! So no thanks, Ms. Hartman, but I am happy to provide you with some white nationalism cliff notes.

    Defined most broadly, American white nationalists are American whites who reject the dominant ideology of the American establishment: Universalism, defined here as the belief all peoples have the same biological capabilities, and so with right effort, all can, and should, be made to have the same values, and to display the same achievement in all areas of human endeavor. Some (people whom I myself would not consider white nationalists) think that Universalism is a nice ideal, but that racial genetic differences doom it to failure, i.e. that some groups are more violent and less intelligent than us, and will ruin our comfortable society if they become too great a portion of our population. Others reject Universalism as an ideal, and believe that even if all groups were equally capable in every way, it would still be preferable to live in a society whose basis for being is the shared ethnicity of its citizens (ethnicity here defined as one race sharing the same land, language, and customs). They (we) think that man needs, and deserves, a group identity, that the state should be the political expression of the group, and that a blood-based group identity is the most lasting form of identity, so the state should be, at least partly, blood-based.

    Of course, most white nationalists are somewhere in between these two extremes; I think that the typical white nationalist believes in the ethno-state as the ideal, and believes that the races have inherently different capabilities, and the belief in the latter only strengthens the beauty of the former. Indeed, so long as all the advantages are not with one race, or all the disadvantages with another, and it does not appear that they are, we would argue that inherently different capabilities is ideal. And if that is the case, the etho-state is all the better because it is not just the home of an extended-family, but, potentially, the expression of its unique genetics, out of which develops a unique value system, and within which the individual is most able and most willing to live up to the society’s ideal.

  • Dan

    It seems to me that we have far more to gain than to lose in discussing our views with those who don’t think like us. I can’t imagine the paper would be positive about us, but it can at least look at those of us who are more well-spoken. The better input we have, the less negative and more neutral the final product may be.

    And let us not forget that Jared Taylor himself was a conventional liberal until around the age of 30 when it comes to race. It’s unlikely that we’d win her over, but we can show people like her and those that would read her report that we’re not all a bunch of complete cranks, and that our worldview is shaped more by the love of our people rather than the hatred of non-whites. Our future success is shaped not just by the level of adversarial thoughts out there but by their intensity as well.

  • Anonymous

    “A person your age getting involved would get your name on all sorts of lists.”

    I suspect that collecting names is indeed the point. She may make a promise not to hand over your name, but she must give her notes to some supervisory authority to, um, evaluate her research. You have no promises from those people.

    Assume the worst. There is no reason at all to talk to her. Don’t do it.

  • Anonymous

    Any advice to someone who may meet with her? I am thinking of doing but staying anonymous.

  • Vick

    Ok boys, looks like she’s onto us.

    We might as well fess up and tell her the real truth about the Secret Underground White Nationalist Movement. No point in denying it exists.

    Yes that means telling her about the handshake. Yes, we have to tell her about the song too. We have nothing to be ashamed of – “The White Nationalist Hymn” is a wonderful piece of music. Perhaps someone can provide her with all the lyrics, I lost my White Nationalist Song Book during a shoot out with the ATF.

    And yes, we have to tell her about our messed up childhoods. That includes finally discussing the excessive exposure to vanilla ice cream that most of us suffered. No more living in the shadows.

  • Beauregarde

    I am the one Keri contacted, and I expressed many of the concerns to her that are posted here. I received an e-mail back from her in which she gave assurances that her thesis would not be a “hatchet job.”

    In my opinion, this is an opportunity to penetrate the Harvard sanctum sanctorum, which will may excite debate.

  • Anonymous

    If this woman wants to learn more about White Nationalists, which used to be called the average American, she should read the stories, and posts to the articles, here on AmRen.

    She could also read the web sites for the Council of Conservative Citizens, New Nation News, VDARE, and the Occidental Observer.

    She should absorb the countless News stories that go unreported by the National News Media, but are horrific in their gruesome details.

    Maybe then she can understand why a growing percentage of White Americans want the Illegal Alien Criminals Deported, and tough penalties for the types the Liberals love to coddle, even after the most heinous of crimes.

    She can better understand why Whites want to live separately from the rest of “them”.

    But that won’t happen, because she is from Harvard, and they only take the most politically Socialist indoctrinated “Whites” to attend there.

  • Question Diversity

    Not applicable to me, because I’m outside the age range (unfortunately, in the upward direction, and I can’t seem to get the clock to slow down.) But I would do it. I know her report will be a hatchet job, and I know (in fact, I can confirm) that my name is on a list somewhere. Therefore, why not poison their well with a few slick quotes and paragraphs? Sure, I’d spend a week or two at the Jared Taylor Public Relations Boot Camp before taking part, but I think it would be worth it.

    Unfortunately, my (real, verifiable, non altered) birth certificate begs to differ.

  • Paul

    I understand many are worried about being exposed and being put on a government list, but how many here suscribe to Am Ren or CofCC or Nationalist Times (etc) papers?

    The CofCC and Nationalist Times don’t do anything to hide their papers when they mail them to my house and I have been a subscriber for almost a decade. So if there is a list, I’m sure the US Postal service already has me on it.

    But we need to quit hiding and pretending that we are doing something wrong. That alone shows how much the mulitcultural establishment has won. Remember it’s not illegal to speak out against immigration and for white interests. Some care is required of course, (don’t talk about politics to much at work and don’t advocate anything illegal), but don’t cower in fear either. We like to claim that “most white people privately agree with our views” so if we really believe that why not come part way (or all the way) out of the closet? For those of you feel that nobody will listen to you, here is your chance to tell your story. Just be careful and don’t say anything really stupid.

    I’m a few years too old, otherwise I might contact her. Mike, #51 also had a good point that her paper might be read a few times and never read again and amount to nothing anyway. In that case it doesn’t matter what the outcome of her paper is.

  • Jupiter7

    I submit that the race-intellectual abilities issue is a massive distraction away from the fundamental White Nationalist-Native Born White American Patriot issue which is:race-replacement at the hand of of hostile post-1965 nonwhites and separation from the native black population. The race war has already started..if would have gone hot if John McCain had won the election on Nov 4 2008. The idea that White Nationalists are going to have a prolonged psychometric discussion-debate with blacks about scores on a IQ test is greatest pile of nonesense in the world. The time devoted to a discussion-debate about race and scores on IQ test will completely block a out a discusssion of the race-replacement issue..the two are completely incompatible…I will debte any IQ test score enthusiasts on this point..it is a fact. The reason why Steve Sailer has such a massive obsession with the race-IQ test score issue is because he fantasizes that a race war can be avoided if we can have Charles Murray policy wonk discussion with blacks,hispanics,asians and muslims about the policy wonk consequences of the race-IQ test score issue…complete fanatasy….magical thinking…”Citizenship” variety.

    Focusing on the race-IQ test score issue will not rally our fellow Native Born White Americans into a full-blown race-revolt against their race-replacement at the hands of hostile and high fertility post-1965 nonwhites. The focus of Native Born White American Patriots must be on the horrific consequences of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act

  • 24 yr old White woman

    i spoke to her when she returned my call.

    i voiced our concerns about it being just more demonization and i thinks she was a tiny bit offended, she said:”well if i really wanted to do that i could just go with what i have.” which i took to mean what her professors tell her. she sounds nice, we had a short chat about videogames and stuff. she phrased her approach thus:”i understand that people live their lives in what way makes sense to them and i am interested in why this makes sense to you.” and i get the feeling that she is genuinely looking for answers and trying to understand our point of view. she also said that it was the first time she had been flamed on the internet. i warned her to reinforce and barricade her door and to expect the violence we have to deal with.

    she will call me back on monday afternoon. i think we will have an interesting chat about White Guilt and White ethnic culture, and our right to have our own non-mainstream opinions. i will ask her about the athena project. i want to talk about the value of relating to others in order to get along:how it is important, psychoplogically,for people to find common ground.

  • Anonymous

    A commenter wrote this:

    Social science experiments are never what they are stated to be.

    When I was in college, I used to participate in the experiments that offered money (5 or even 10 a shot).

    The researcher would always tell me what the experiment was supposed to test. However, there was always a hidden aspect to the research. They tell you they’re researching A when in fact they’re researching B. Halfway into the session, it would become obvious what they were really researching.

    Think of the experiments where they asked people to test peoples memory by giving unseen strangers shocks. The experiment had nothing to do with memory but were designed to test how easily people could be made to obey commands.

    I strongly suspect that this person isn’t looking to understand White Nationalists. What she’s looking for is information that can tell her and her comrades how White Nationalists learn to be racists, at what stage, and how much home environment plays a role.

    The findings will likely be used to find a link between early childhood and developing ‘racist’ views. The goal is likely to be finding early intervention methods to counter ‘racist’ upbringing.

    To them, people are nothing more than lab rats and they are always looking for new ways to manipulate us.

    As much as I might be tempted to express my views, I wouldn’t participate. ”

    A lot of people here seem to want to impress her or even trick themselves as if she is wanting to listen to your stories. How stupid can you be?

    The woman wrote that her proudest moment in her life was to arrange the first multicultural festival at her school.

    She’s a sociology major.

    What do you think? She will give you a fair hearing? The hatchet job is seen miles away, and even if she doesn’t want to do it, she has many profs who are total marxists and will never accept anything but a total smear.

    Besides, as the commentator above put it, it’s very likely she isn’t out to ‘understand’ anything. It’s more like you are the ginny pigs in her experiment. She probably wants to ‘stop racism’ by going into your life and try to build a theory of how you went astray of the multicultural paradise paradigm in the first place and then try to stop future generations of young whites going the journey that you did.

    Whatever you are saying, it will be used against us in the future. You are her lab rats. Never think anything else.

    And don’t be an idiot. And do not try to impress, because they don’t care. These people want to exploit and pride is a good way to get there.

  • Anonymous

    73 — Anonymous wrote at 4:40 AM on September 25:

    Any advice to someone who may meet with her? I am thinking of doing but staying anonymous.

    She wants to do an interview doesn’t she? The only way to keep safe is to go to a public library and set up a free hotmail account. Always use the public library to communicate with her.

    Those IIP adresses can be traced to your home and work computers.

    Someone recently posted that his email address was traced through a comment he made on some website.

    His employer was notified of his impure speech and thought and he was fired for whatever website on which he posted.

    ATF and FBI are limited in what they can do. ADL and SPLC are not.

    If you do communicate with her, I’d advise never mentioning the words, guns, 2nd amendment, Jew, Christianity, abortion, gay issues, America, patriotism northwest homeland, school integration, judges, Obama or anything but affirmative action discrimination and black on White crime.

  • Anonymous

    To use Skype you would have to use your own computer. Whoever is behind her, most likely Tim Wise SPLC ADL can find out everything about you and every website you have ever browsed and email you have sent or received.

    Stay away.

    I used to do surveys. The company often combined 3 or 4 surveys in one. The surveys were a set series of questions and answers.

    The respondents could not create their own answers or expound on an answer. They had to pick one of 5 or 6 answers.

    Her survey might not be like this, but I did those phone surveys for years and not one allowed the respondent to do anything but pick which already written answer.

  • Anonymous

    71,72,73 (1) Harvard University that a few years ago fired in President largely for suggesting the facts of life re gender differences (see AR review of BRAIN SEX , EVE’S RIB ) is Enemy Territory.

    (2) Eysenck’s concept of a “P-factor” is very much useful to our understanding–see his co-authored 1976 book for a short questionnaire and his KNOW YOU OWN PERSONALITY (paperback) for the questions pertaining to “toughmindedness” KYOP was published decades ago but is quite relevant in this context.

    There might be a middle ground here? Why not do some rough and ready “pre-search” (my neologism) on the topic among you and your like-minded acquaintances, ALL ANONYMOUS –using Eysenck’s published tests (above ) and mail it to her. See how she responds. That she can’t use it in a direct sense is understood from the outset. That she would discard or dismiss it would be awkward for her. What you have to look out for is the use by her of cookie cut categories that manage to ignore THESE relevant facts while overemphasizing THOSE relevant facts. As it looks now, I’d think the odds are you have more to lose than to gain by getting readily involved–i.e., when in doubt, don’t.

  • southron

    “She gave assurances that her thesis would not be a ‘hatchet job.'”

    Question: How can you tell when a liberal is lying? Answer: Her lips move.

  • Hematite

    Good heavens, this thread is full of trolls.

    Any poster urging cooperation with a Harvard “student” seeks the destruction of our race.

    Harvard. Think about that for five seconds. Who controls Harvard.

  • Mike H.

    I agree with #30.

    If white nationalists refused to speak to anyone because they might be the subject of a smear campaign/hatchet job, then we’d never speak to anyone but each other. That’s unacceptable.

    Either she has integrity and will refrain from twisting your words and it will be an interesting piece for all to read, or she doesn’t – in which case it’ll be just another typical liberal cryfest read by other liberals, all of whom already agree with the subject matter.

  • Kiwi

    I don’t know, it might be worth going for. I think the smear tactics we’ve been treated with for so long are wearing thin. Maybe I will look into this.

  • Paul

    By Looking at the amount of comments on this topic I get the impression that deep within the heart of all race realists like us there lies a great desire to be legitimised.

    Whenever an opportunity arises for our work to be printed in a mainstream publication or someone from a mainstream university shows an interest in our views we all fall over ourselves in an attempt to help.

    I am aware that we need to get our message out but these people in the main are untalented and completely indoctrinated hacks. They are so far below our level of understanding that talking to them is like dealing with a five year old child.

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    From the article linked above on her being valedictorian of her high school:

    “She said her biggest accomplishment was organizing the school’s multicultural festival, which focused on the school’s diversity.”

    It’s interesting to me that such a young lady is, in her own words, writing her “senior thesis on young people who are active in the American white nationalist movement” and is “most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.”

    Someone please ask her what aroused her interest to the point that she picked this topic over all the many others that some one having her interests could have chosen, and what hypotheses are behind her odd (?) question about growing up.

  • Anonymous

    I can only echo the sentiments above. While it might be seen by some as a great opportunity to get WN ideas discussed in the upper reaches of Harvard, it’s not like they have never heard of us or what we think before- indeed, our ideas are the exact ones that if uttered will spell the end of an academic career.

    They can find out all about us and what we think from the websites mentioned. Those websites have been there a long time, and everything on them is absolute anathema to their encapsulated, textbook-dictated worldview.

    The reason this study is being run is so people like Hartmann, who has likely never lived near blacks who weren’t employed by her family or college, can present ways to combat our recruitment.

    The expected response is that the inquisitive young nationalist sought answers online to questions such as “Why are blacks so violent” or similar, and found answers that assumed the least and explained the most right here and on other sites such as VDARE.

    Her proposal, therefore, which will be passed around the halls of Harvard, a place where many would-be politicians are educated, will be to crack down on “hate sites” and ensure that only the contorted lies of the Left are presented to searchers on the Net.

    tl;dr version- she’s out to make a case for censorship on the Net, through large numbers of responses mentioning Web searches or the Internet in general.

  • William

    1 Don’t help her.

    2 Work to make sure no one helps her.

    3 Work to make sure her data is rubbish can not ber used for

    psychological warfare against us.

    Remember the “Authoritarian Personality”.

  • Anonymous

    Harvard produced George Gilder. Princeton produced Dinesh D’Souza, and Yale produced Jared Taylor. An ivy league education isn’t the end of the mind, tho for most people it seems to be.

  • Anonymous

    While I fit the demographic perfectly, am intelligent, and would be fit to answer her questions intelligently. (not to mention I’m a student of evolutionary psycology), I am going to take the advice of the elders of this thread and will not respond.

  • Johnny Reb

    It is very clear, this young woman is only allowed to write one way. One mindset, one agenda: Liberal good, Nationalist bad. Period.

  • white is right, black is whack

    I am a sociology student at Harvard University conducting research

    Oh, dear! Someone please help this girl. Sorry, continue.

    … for my senior thesis on young people who are active in the American white nationalist movement. I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.

    Do you realize how condescending that sounds? So a white person that isn’t politically correct isn’t ‘grown up’? I’ve noticed quite the opposite. Why do you assume whites who are pro-white and not comfortable around blacks just came to that conclusion out of nowhere? Why not interview young black nationalists? Did you come up with the questions and terms on your own, or did your professor?

    Because I want to give young people involved in the movement the chance to tell their own stories and to put their perspectives out there,

    And are you going to show their interview in full, or edit certain parts out to make them look the usual pro-white stereotype of a child molestor, toothless, uneducated, crazy, paranoid, etc?

    I am conducting interviews with young people ages 18-30 who identify as white nationalists. I wanted to reach out to you and see if any members of the Council of Conservative Citizens who fit my criteria would be willing to speak with me. All answers (as well as the name of the group) would be anonymized in my thesis, and the interview would take 45 minutes to an hour. I am located in Boston, MA, but would be more than happy to set something up via phone or Skype.

    So you promise you’re not going to use these interviews to put these young pro-white people on a list or show it to future employers or so other ‘liberal’ people can harrass them? You’re not going to try to tell them they are ‘stupid’ or ‘uneducated’ for not being a self-hating white person today like they’ve been brainwashed to be?

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    “I am most interested in understanding what motivates young people to participate in these movements, as well as how their participation influences their process of growing up.”

    Ms. Hartman’s project would be of more lasting interest if by “these movements” she meant the various manifestations of the multicult madness that have fastened on the minds and behaviors of young Whites like herself (assuming she is white).

    If we whites ever recover our perspective, that’s the question that will suggest itself to future students of our era.

    By what actions have our media, schools, government and other institutions been taken over and become the sources of the trance that directs the minds of young Whites toward their own destruction?

    In what ways has the poison of the multicult injured “their process of growing up”? Having to attend schools integrated with rowdy, hostile, and dangerous blacks who are uninterested in and incapable of learning? Being denied admission to college or denied college scholarships in favor of less qualified blacks? Being passed over for hiring or promotion in favor of less qualified blacks? Succumbing to the constant portrayal of interracial coupling in our media and marrying a black to their everlasting regret?

    Future generations will want to know the details of how the multicult poison was injected into our minds, social structures, and body politic. So turn your looking glass in the right direction, Ms. Hartman.

  • Sonya

    bannister wrote: Imagine if Jared Taylor never did interviews because people might smear him or try to distort his message – we would never have heard of him!

    There is a difference between giving interviews where at least most of the statements are relayed verbatim and giving statements for a thesis in which the author paraphrase or twist the meaning of the statements entirely. Huge difference in fact.

  • Anonymous

    I once dated a journalist. They told me to never give an interview unless it was entirely unedited.

    This Harvard student is entirely too niave and doesnt know the world, she said it was the first time she was flamed.

    Does she know a mexican woman in Mexico , who posted anonymously on a blog against the Cartel, was beheaded , last week , because of what she wrote?

    how can anyone expect to be protected by someone who knows nothing about real life?

    I get death threats from Mexicans for posting about their crimes all the time. Why doesnt she really put herself on the line and interview the Mexican Drug Cartel?

    Her assumption that White Nationalists are sorta dangerous is silly. It’s like students who interview Strippers for their Phd

    I think she is clueless. Don’t let her speak for you.

  • Anonymous

    96 — white is right, black is whack wrote at 8:56 AM on September 26

    ———————————

    They will do exactly what they did on 60 minutes last night.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382310n

    Lesley Stahl, another White hating moron. We all know who owns and runs CBS and 60 minutes hit pieces. She just rolled over the part where the 10 year old son had a problem from since he was born.( A child of a former spouse of Jeff’s) As a youngster he set fires, was a problem in schools WAY before Jeff ever became NS! Yet she wants to make it all out that it was nazism that did it to the kid. Jeff’s sister and his mother did him no favor by saying what they said either. They kind of did a great disservice to their son and brother who is now dead. Shame on them. Was that all prearranged?

    Poor little Lesley was so appalled and shocked that they wanted all nonwhites out of America! Yet, nary a word, when Mexico, Israel, Asian countries, etc. all have and KEEP their homelands from invading aliens. Right, Leslie? Maybe you can air a show like that sometime. Be sure to put on all those black, hispanic voices that yell “kill the White race”, eh, Lesley? I will be waiting….

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    82 — Anonymous wrote at 5:04 PM on September 25:

    “Someone recently posted that his email address was traced through a comment he made on some website.

    His employer was notified of his impure speech and thought and he was fired for whatever website on which he posted.”

    I’m dubious, and if that poster reads this, I hope he will recount the story again. I would think it legally risky for some organization such as ADL or SPLC to hack a system or get the info from an employee of the system (that much, I can easily imagine them doing, since the ADL has been revealed in court of doing such things) and giving such info to an employer. My mind is open, but without having seen the post, my mind is also open to the possibility that such stuff is posted to intimidate us.

    But the fact that it’s not an unreasonable fear does point out that white people no longer live in a democracy where their freedom to speak their mind is honored.

  • midnight ryder

    86 — Hematite wrote at 8:11 PM on September 25:

    Good heavens, this thread is full of trolls.

    Any poster urging cooperation with a Harvard “student” seeks the destruction of our race.

    Harvard. Think about that for five seconds. Who controls Harvard.

    —————————————————————-

    I second that motion!

    The trolls have been increasing in numbers in the last few years on amren. Wonder why that is?

  • Anonymous

    We are at war and this is the enemy. Save your dialogue for conservative-minded people. You will never convince the radicals like this woman and your arguments won’t reach others through her. Bear in mind that Jared Taylor is not making arguments to the Neo-Marxists. When he speaks, he is speaking to us. He is articulating and supporting what we might naturally feel anyway. He is not trying to convince the enemy and neither should you.

  • sbuffalonative

    Someone please ask her what aroused her interest to the point that she picked this topic over all the many others that some one having her interests could have chosen, and what hypotheses are behind her odd (?) question about growing up.

    This is PURE speculation on my part.

    I suspect she was at one of her mult-CULT festivals surround by her majority White comrades with a few diversity tokens thrown in and she had an epiphany. ‘Why don’t I do my thesis on Nazis?’ Her White friends were likely shocked. She thought it would be a laugh.

    You are not enlightened by the ‘joys of diversity’ like her and her friends. She doesn’t want to understand you. She sees you as mentally ill and maybe even dangerous. She wants to understand you only so much as she wants to find a way to cure you.

    If she really wants to know what makes a White Nationalist, she should move to a majority black or Hispanic community. If she’s White and honest with herself, she’ll come to understand these are not her people, they do not share her values, and some of them are a physical threat to her personal safety.

    If she wants a quick lesson, she can ride a subway without her friends in a black neighborhood for one night.

    I suspect that’s something she would never do but in her mind, not because she’s a racists

  • Anonymous

    Since no one has mentioned it, isn’t it telling that she choose to hang out in Vienna, Austria, a nationalist enclave in Europe that has been electing more and more conservative leaders lately? Her blogs seem to revolve around interest as a tourist, not a researcher. My impression, especially since reading the post by the one white (female) who is apparently speaking to her, is that she has a great deal to learn about herself before she goes about attempting to dissect and understand others. Based on what she has presented, I doubt that her thesis would be on the level of the usual Tim Wise diatribe.

  • EyeOnMadisonStreet

    I had two experiences with Ivy Leaguers, one from Yale and another from Yale via Harvard.

    The Yalie came to my Viet Nam veterans’ discussion group to “interview” us about our opinions regarding the causes and results of that war. It took about five minutes of her “interviewing” before she got tired of listening to ignorant vets and launched into her own lecture on how and why we got into the war, in which Americans who supported the war came out as stupid, paranoid, kneejerk anti-communists, as opposed to the enlightened understanding she’d absorbed at the feet of her New Left profs.

    The Harvard guy, a long ago housemate, just would not shut his mouth, and was always ready with an anti-American, anti-white slur. One of the many outrageous things I could mention about him was how he would carry on about how he hated “lily white” skin and thought brown and black women were oh so much more attractive. He had done a lot of traveling in Latin American and Caribbean countries while on the lam from the draft, see, had had all kinds of black/brown chicks, talked about the superiority of their lovemaking, and felt the pain of their oppression – all the while he’s screwing ’em and leaving ’em!

    He married a bright little Yale law student, who had golden locks and dazzling pearly white skin.

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind that it’s very possible that she has already come to conclusions and may and most likely will construe your answers to match up with her bias.

    For example, if you say that you are a WN because you knew a white girl from your school have a child with a black man, then she may say in her paper that you are suffering from internalized sexual guilt.

    If you do agree to the interview be prepared to answer very sensitive questions, for instance, “What is your opinion of Hitler?” Some questions will be designed to have no right answers.

  • Anonymous

    63,64, 84

    Eysenck’s work refines and extends and clarifies crude “folk

    perceptions” such as “progress travels on the backs of crazies”

    etc. In this connection, a great prosthesis for the personality

    quirks of many creative people is just plain old fashioned good manners–at least beyond the bedroom!

  • Anonymous

    “If she really wants to know what makes a White Nationalist, she should move to a majority black or Hispanic community.” Wrote poster 103

    Perhaps she can do her graduate work at Columbia, Temple, University of Chicago or Yale, all situated in the middle of the most crime ridden black communities in the nation.

  • margaret

    Jupiter 7 wrote “The idea that White Nationalists are going to have a prolonged psychometric discussion-debate with blacks about scores on a IQ test is greatest pile of nonesense in the world. The time devoted to a discussion-debate about race and scores on IQ test will completely block a out a discusssion of the race-replacement issue..the two are completely incompatible”

    I agree with Jupiter one thousand percent. This endless quibbling about average IQs is insane. It will not help.

    Focusing on the 14th amendment affirmative action hasn’t worked. The judiciary has ruled time and time again for decades that the 14th amendment does not apply to Whites.

    I can think of 1 thing Whites could do. But it is illegal and might not work.

    I don’t know the answer, but this constant yammering about IQs will not help at all. Some of Sailor’s statistics are questionable, but it is not worth it even to use goggle to refute them.

  • Anonymous

    ” for my senior thesis on young people who are active in the American white nationalist movement. ”

    What White nationalist movement? There is none. A few hundred thousand people talking to each other is not a movement.

    I have been looking for a White Nationalist movement in which to participate for decades. If there one I would have found it.

  • Question Diversity

    The only thing somewhat similar to this in recent history that I can remember is that one Amy Cotter, (I deliberately misspelled her last name, its real misspelling might make this post a spam post), a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Michigan, is doing (she might have finished it by now) her sociology dissertation on the modern American militia movement. The differences here are that Cotter is doing a Ph.D. thesis while Hartman is doing an undergrad senior project, albeit in the same field, but a Ph.D. dissertation is going to get way more scrutiny ceteris paribus than a senior thesis, and Cotter had/has no obvious history of biases for or against her study subject, while Hartmann plainly does, and Cotter is studying an aracial or sometimes anti-racist movement, while Hartmann is actually studying people who willingly adopt white nationalism as a political goal.

  • Gerald Martin

    Although I previously recommended young WNs talk to her (#25), I have to admit being impressed by the arguments against doing so presented by other commenters. Especially the ones predicting the names of any WN talking to her, “anonymously” or not, will eventually be publicized and used to ruin the educational and career prospects of these young people.

    The argument that, because Jared Taylor talks to our enemies, young WNs should too, is bogus. I’m certain Jared Taylor, already established in life, already the author of one well-received book (The Japanese Miracle and Peril), knew the risks he would run and the price he would pay (and indeed he has paid a heavy price many times) for speaking out about race. In contrast, the people this young lady wants to interview are just starting their adult lives, mere fledglings, who can easily be destroyed in more ways than I can think of by exposing them as race realists. Post #103 by sbuffalonative sums it up best, “She sees you as mentally ill and maybe even dangerous.”

    Even so, I don’t join the ranks of those saying absolutely don’t talk. I do, however, urge each of our young friends to consider very carefully what you are willing to risk, and to lose, if you are tempted to respond.

  • Remembers when…

    #93: your point about Ivy League education not being the end of the mind appears rather botched. George Gilder, after doing some good work on the negative consequences of feminism back in the 70s, became a fanatical open-borders libertarian & worshipper of capitalism. Lately he’s been a worshipper of Israel with all that implies. Dinesh D’Souza is the Sri Lankan who destroyed Sam Francis’s career as a nation-wide columnist, and got him fired from the WASHINGTON TIMES, by smearing him as a drooling racist after D’Souza was offended by Sam’s speech at an American Renaissance conference he attended.

    Out of the three examples you cite – Gilder, D’Souza, Taylor – only Jared turned out well. The other two are our enemies, and D’Souza did all of us harm by hurting Sam Franics.

  • Anonymous

    People, I think you’re going overboard by assuming that Keri is part of some left-wing conspiracy. College advisers don’t tell seniors what to write in their theses. They point them in very general directions.

    From the links that Anonymous #3 posted, we can learn that Keri is a Catholic girl from the Pittsburgh suburbs. She has gotten involved in the usual global/multi-culti groups in college. She is probably not a true believer in multi-culti. I know because I used to be just like her.

    I think it is more likely that a few years from now, Keri will write one of those “I went to the ghetto and they didn’t like me” articles that gets posted here every few months.

    So I will help Keri but only on my terms. I sent her an anonymous e-mail via anonymouse.org’s anonemail service. http://anonymouse.org/anonemail.html

  • E-Nomad

    As the prestigious Admiral Ackbar once said.

    “Its a trap!”

  • Anonymous

    I think this is the same person who tried this at Stormfront, but she was immediately shot down. I hope everybody here has better sense than to comply with her request.

    No msm reporters or academic researchers should be able to get interviews with White Nationalists. They want fundamental data so that they can manipulate you. Once they get data, even the simplest “neutral” biographical data, they can cross-reference it to so many other studies that you might as well open up your skull and let them look inside.

    Don’t believe me? Take a look at the conditions for downloading:

    IMPORTANT: Do not attempt to download an entire NLS dataset. The datasets are extremely large and will likely impede the performance of your computer. Click here for more information on why downloading the entire data set is not a good idea.

    See: NLS Introduction to Investigator for more.

    PLEASE DON’T HELP HER!!!

  • Anonymous

    101 — Harumphty Dumpty wrote at 12:55 PM on September 26:

    82 — Anonymous wrote at 5:04 PM on September 25:

    “Someone recently posted that his email address was traced through a comment he made on some website.

    His employer was notified of his impure speech and thought and he was fired for whatever website on which he posted.”

    I’m dubious, and if that poster reads this, I hope he will recount the story again. I would think it legally risky for some organization such as ADL or SPLC to hack a system or get the info from an employee of the system (that much, I can easily imagine them doing, since the ADL has been revealed in court of doing such things) and giving such info to an employer. My mind is open, but without having seen the post, my mind is also open to the possibility that such stuff is posted to intimidate us.

    But the fact that it’s not an unreasonable fear does point out that white people no longer live in a democracy where their freedom to speak their mind is honored.

    ———————————————————–

    Believe me, this happens alot more than you think it does if you are WHITE. It has happened to me. “They” can get your ISP address very easily when they don’t like what you say. Most Whites won’t ever say the reason they were fired, either. There is no freedom of speech in this country if you are White and the subject is race. They claim there are providers that do not give that info out, but I find that very dubious to say the least. I guess there are many ways for those in the know, how to do it.

    If anyone here knows about all this tech savvy, inform us so at least we have a fighting chance. Where are OUR lawyers who will defend only Whites against this injustice?

  • Anonymous

    114 — Anonymous wrote at 9:43 PM on September 26:

    I think this is the same person who tried this at Stormfront, but she was immediately shot down. I hope everybody here has better sense than to comply with her request.

    No msm reporters or academic researchers should be able to get interviews with White Nationalists. They want fundamental data so that they can manipulate you. Once they get data, even the simplest “neutral” biographical data, they can cross-reference it to so many other studies that you might as well open up your skull and let them look inside.

    Don’t believe me? Take a look at the conditions for downloading:

    IMPORTANT: Do not attempt to download an entire NLS dataset. The datasets are extremely large and will likely impede the performance of your computer. Click here for more information on why downloading the entire data set is not a good idea.

    See: NLS Introduction to Investigator for more.

    PLEASE DON’T HELP HER!!!

    ————————————

    I pray everyone takes heed of your post. Most WN’s, I pray have enough sense to know it is a set up. Never trust any academic or journalist in today’s anti-White America. Just watch Lesley Stahl and her hit piece on 60 minutes about Jeff Hall.

  • ATBOTL

    I would strongly advise against assisting this woman in any way with her “research.” It’s obvious that she is hostile to whites and will not be fair or objective. Those who have already contacted her should cease all communication.

    I would not put it outside of the realm of possibility that this is some kind of intelligence gathering exercise, the purpose of which would most likely be to identify young white nationalists so as to prevent them from gaining admission to prestigious academic programs and career tracks or to obtain information to discredit them in the future.

    The US Army has sent investigators onto pro-white internet sites to identify and expel serving white nationalists before.

    AR should know better than to have posted this. Would the ADL put a request by a pro-white researcher asking to interview young Zionists on it’s website?

    Why is our race so naive and trusting?

  • sbuffalonative

    If Ms. Hartman wants to understand why people become White Nationalists, she can search the news and web for all the stories that aren’t widely disseminated by the mainstream media like the one below; that is unless the victims were black or hispanic and the attackers White (Also take note that the comment section has been closed. White people aren’t even allowed to talk about his in public):

    Chased home: [Black, Hispanic] Mob attacks [White] man in his house

    http://tinyurl.com/3kp93et

  • Duran Dahl

    If Miss Hartman’s thesis were NOT a hit-piece, it would never have been approved by her prof. If, perchance, she were to include any WN-positive (or even neutral) statements, even by mistake, Miss Hartman would be required to edit them out or else have her senior thesis rejected. Submitting to an interview of this sort is a fool’s errand.

  • Anonymous

    “Someone recently posted that his email address was traced through a comment he made on some website.”

    He or she posted that he or she was traced throught the ISP address. It was posted in July or August.

  • Anonymous

    Our race is more trusting because we had to work together to get the better of the less hospitable climes from which we sprang. It really is amazing how good an answer to such issues race-based evolutionary psychology is, as I said above (I was poster 91) it assumes the least about the world, and explains nearly every racial differential.

    Leftist explanations such as “the great White conspiracy” and “low expectations lead to low results” assume the most preposterous things and at best half-explain the results of one kind of test.

    I would say again, DON’T COOPERATE WITH THIS STUDY. If you can find a place to organise, you could arrange to give a set of internally consistent but completely fictitious answers- cite secret initiations into a Masonic conspiracy, cite a secret wing of the Democrat party that never gave up segregation, hell, you could even tell them that Hilary Clinton is a Grand Wizard in the K who personally recruited you through “codewords” in the Washington Post!

    Go nuts, and if enough of you say the same thing she’s either going to have to publish, to a great degree of ridicule, or she’ll realise too late that treating White Nationalists like bacteria to be studied and neutralised has resulted in her academic career, and hence any future government diversity work, going down the pan.

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone think of Kerri Dunn when they read this?

  • Anonymous

    ref. 120

    Yes, I agree. If she’s fair to those she purports to wish to study, she’s going to set herself up for lots of retaliation for a long time–especially on and around Harvard.

  • Anonymous

    It might be useful to inquire of her whether her research is being supported by any grants and if so, from what sources. The

    DoJ, in due course, may seek to sponsor or encourage federal grants in behalf of, say, the FBI Behavioral Sciences branch to try to understand those points of view–beyond what Morris Dees has been feeding them for years and years.

  • Anonymous

    I was poster 117, which at one point was 114.

    What I think she wants is basic data, so that she and her profs can have a quantitative answer to the question: “What is a White Nationalist?”

    Once they have that, they can ask and answer all kinds of questions without ever explicitly having asked them to White Nationalists. Some examples might be: what kind of economy could get young married White Nationalists who are married to become divorced? What kind of economic events could get them to engage in murder, suicide, or other activities destructive to both self and others at a higher rates than they do at present? Are there other events in their lives that can be cross-correlated to those phenomena so that those other types of events could be manipulated to bring about self- or other destructive activities? What kinds of cross-correlations of cross-correlations of cross-correlations etc. are valid to do?

    These are the sorts of questions and answers one can do with any large table of linearized (or linearizable) data.

    Here’s a more concrete example: suppose I want to know the density, melting point, boiling point, or other properties of a chemical compound for which there are no records because nobody has ever synthesized it. Can I do that? The answer is ‘yes’, not only because I can find methods of estimating properties based on books like The Properties of Liquids and Gases, but because I can make my own plausible (even if somewhat kludge-like) models based upon pre-existing parts of already listed molecules in a book like the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and then stuff a large number of equations based on the presence or absence of those molecular parts into a heavily overdetermined least squares problem. I solve the overdetermined least squares problem A x = b for each property I want, and then do the dot product of my unknown compound’s vector with the x relevant for each property. I will get an answer that is within a very few percentage points of the correct one, sometimes even less than one percent off. I have done this many times, both with absolute unknown molecules and with test molecules for which there was already good data but which I left out of my large overdetermined list of compounds.

    The same sort of effort can be made with electrochemical half-reactions, heat of combustion equations, heat of formation equations, etc.

    Provided you have a large enough data base, you can almost always get interesting answers to even the most arcane questions.

    In addition, I am not limited to least squares as a modality. I can strike out in a mathematically different direction if I want something more affiliated with change over time, like eigenvalues or singular value decomposition.

    Although factor analysis is the thing people usually associate with sociology, if I’m not so much interested in explanations but more in what I can do (what anti-white activism I can undertake), those other methods might very well be more applicable

    And that is why I linked to the NLS cautions against trying to download their database; I wanted people to understand how much data about the general populace has already been collected.

    Personally, I am far less conversant with sociology than I am with harder sciences like chemistry or physics, but I see how much data they have collected over the years and it seems to me that the sky is the limit concerning what they can do with it.

    And there is no way this young Harvard woman can give guarantees about how the data she collects will be used or about just who will use it for what. Even if she keeps her promises about the anonymity of the participants, the data can (and probably will) be used to abuse White Nationalists as a class (or, more properly, a sociological vector, as the case may be . . .).

    And who maintains that vast NLS curated database? Why, the University of Chicago and affiliated research groups, of course.

    University of Chicago? Chicago political machine? Saul Alinsky? Obama? Do you get it yet? Am I starting to ring any bells here?

    As has often been said before, you are either pro-white or pro-white genocide; which one of those two do you think describes this young woman, the sociology department at Harvard, or the University of Chicago and its affiliated research groups?

  • Anonymous

    Ref. #126 This is very interesting. I agree with your reservations. Eysenck’s work in particular was always very heavily based on data gathering. The huge pressure on campus nowadays is to treat that which is statistically rare in youth politics as being clinically suspect.

  • Anonymous

    Research interests like this way back when Marxism was taboo in

    America, hit a snag in efforts to study leftist radicals because so many of them were FBI plants. At one time, it was estimated that the CPUSA could not remain solvent without the dues money of purported members who in fact were spies. Relevant?

  • Anonymous

    REf. post 128–These are excellent observations/ information.

    I’m receptive to your views re “psychological profiling” done by

    such entities as the FBI Behavioral Sciences Section in Virginia–

    and the DoD and so on. The government gives evidence of being far more interested in controlling and impeding than in understanding.

  • Anonymous

    Sooner or later in any relationship like this with a professed

    inquirer/interviewer, a warning sign is the feeling that your

    answers are being merely “flypapered”–that is, the merely short

    soliloquies are being levitated from you and that no communication

    “ping pong” is happening that reveals whether the interviewer/

    examiner has ears for what you are saying. Again, a real sounding re her is what she had read and her own notes and questions about relevant books, journals, etc.

  • Anonymous

    One problem is the categorical nature a term like “white nationalist movement”. Most things exist in varied degrees. That she seems interested only in “activists” ( the movement ) is a

    warning sign. Another is the extent to which people have varying points of demarcation in an “us/them” distinction: Some whites

    make a convincing case for judicious inter-mixtures with Northern Asians, for example. Her motivations have a lot of question marks hanging over them.