The Cinco de Mayo Charade

Victoria Bekiempis, Village Voice, April 27, 2011

A little more than 20 years ago, Juan Cáceres immigrated to the United States. Like so many of his countrymen, he wanted a better life, and he certainly seemed to get it.

Cáceres started off small, selling tomatoes and limes on the streets of New York, driving a cab, and eventually branching into business ventures. He also became an activist for immigrant rights, founding the Spanish Harlem nonprofit Centro de la Comunidad Mexicana (CECOMEX), helping immigrants find affordable housing, and lobbying the Mexican consulate for better service.

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Not all of CECOMEX’s work is serious and somber. It also organizes El Barrio’s annual Cinco de Mayo and Mexican Independence Day parades, which have drawn such big crowds in recent years that police have had to shut down nearby subway stations. It’s a very important task for a very important man in the Mexican immigrant community.

But Cáceres won’t be attending this week’s lively street party and parade. That’s because he’s locked up on Rikers Island. In March, a jury convicted him of second-degree rape–of his own daughter, from the time she was 11 until she was 14. He was also convicted of endangering the child’s welfare and of criminal contempt. He was found not guilty of predatory sexual assault against a child. He was sentenced to nine years in prison–the maximum.

News of Cáceres’s conviction quickly circulated among local Spanish speakers, with reports surfacing in Spanish-language newspapers and wire services. New York’s mainstream, English-language papers did not appear to take any notice of his downfall–despite the made-for-tabloid tale of a father convicted of raping his own daughter–though he has long been a major player in the city’s rapidly growing Mexican community.

Cáceres’s conviction, however, isn’t just an example of a community leader fallen from grace. His absence has created a power vacuum in El Barrio’s expat enclave and has shown just how ugly sexual politics can be in the neighborhood, centered on 116th Street in East Harlem.

Cáceres’s supporters–he still has many, despite the conviction–have decided to run CECOMEX without him, and they now dedicate much of its time, energy, and other resources to insisting that he is innocent.

But the group’s top brass and allies aren’t just campaigning on behalf of Cáceres. They have also gone out of their way to vilify his daughter, the underage victim. The courts withhold underage rape victims’ names and whereabouts, but many people in El Barrio have made the girl’s identity public, and they brandish her name as a weapon against her.

There’s even a photo of her on the main page of CECOMEX’s website, where visitors have left comments calling her a liar. At rallies in support of Cáceres, attendees have even been said to carry posters displaying photos of her face. Some at the press conferences have yelled her name while chanting, “You have to tell the truth!”

Meanwhile, top Mexican organizations in the city have either come out even now in open support of Cáceres or act as if the conviction never happened in the first place. Spanish-language media outlets have continued to give him and his supporters ample opportunity to state his case against his daughter. Nobody has rallied behind her.

The victim’s identity “isn’t a secret,” Sandra Pérez, entrusted by Cáceres to help run CECOMEX, tells the Voice, just as she has told the Spanish-language press. “There are images of the child in videos and photos. A lot of people know her because she was always involved in public events. Being the daughter of a public figure, your identity is always well known. And not just her identity, but the family’s identity.”

Pérez says that CECOMEX doesn’t advocate making the girl’s name and face public, but that it has not acted to stop it.

“They’re people’s opinions, and we can’t control how they express themselves,” she says.

Cáceres insists he has nothing to do with the propaganda campaign against his daughter. “Of course I want to protect my children’s privacy,” he tells the Voice during an interview at Rikers. “But everyone knows me and my family. I’m a public figure, and we were always together. I don’t think that it’s right that they’re doing that, but I can’t control other people.”

Or himself, as a jury has ruled. Cáceres started to show his daughter porn and molest her in 2007, when she was 11, according to court records. When she turned 12, records say, he started to have oral sex and vaginal and anal intercourse with her.

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{snip} Cinco de Mayo is rapidly approaching, and all indications are, and its leaders confirm, that CECOMEX is still responsible for organizing the parade and parties for tens of thousands of people. That’s the day when 116th Street will be redolent with corn and cilantro, and vendors will sell fried poblano peppers, squash-flower quesadillas, and beef-tongue tacos.

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  • Anonymous

    This guy is probably Indian hispanic. It is the custom, long sanctioned and considered normal among Mexican Indians that the father has the absolute right to have sex with his daughters beginning a couple years before first menstruation, about 9 to 11. He can have sex with her until he gets tired of her and or the next daughter turns 9 or 10.

    One reason hispanic girls reach puberty so unusually early is that they have been molested on regular basis starting about age 5 or 6. The sexual activitiy stimulates hormone premature hormone secretion resulting in early egg ripening and early maturity.

    The molestation has to be regular, not the stranger lurking by the school bus stop, but someone who has daily access to the girl.

    This is an Indian, not a Spanish custom. Goes on all the time. The commuity, man and woman sees nothing wrong with it.

  • Jay

    Cinco de Mayo isn’t even a big holiday in Mexico. It’s just the anniversary of a battle in which the Mexicans defeated some French troops. It would be like if we made a big deal out of the battle of Ticonderoga.

    But WHITE liberals decided that “latinos” needed a holiday (see how they always lump the different types together) and they got corporate sponsors and all that to the point where now you find it mentioned all over the place.

    The other day I read, “Happy Cinco de Mayo” in a store. We’re all toast in the long run. It’s like it’s the revenge of the Indians (because basically most ‘latinos’ are indigenous Indians from the hills.)

  • Anonymous

    Because the different human populations were separated for tens of thousands of year, each race evolved differences, including differences in sense of morality.

    Europeans would never do something like this, but Muslims and Hispanics (i.e., New World Indians) would. These innate differences in morality cause problems when different races are forced to live together in the same society. A much better system is to allow each race the freedom to develop their own society and culture, as they prefer, unencumbered by others. Each race deserves that freedom.

  • Seneca the Younger

    That’s what you get with a sick child-loving culture. Anyone that lives in a multicultural area and has a daughter above the age of eight has seen a hispanic stare in a creepy way or whistle or something. Guaranteed.

    And I have read plenty of articles that say Cinco de Mayo is not really even celebrated that much in Mexico by natives. Its just some excuse for whites to drink margaritas in the afternoon and Mexicans to wave their flags in public view.

  • Bonnie Blue Flag

    @ #4 (Seneca the Younger)

    I grew up in the highly highly city of San Antonio, Tx. In the middle school years (ages 12-14) my friends and I were awkward and insecure like everyone else but would receive tons of whistles and calls from the lurking Mexican population. We started to believe it was because we looked “mature” for our age. That hypothesis was incorrect. As we actually did mature through high school we all got *much* better looking, but oddly enough we all noticed that at some point the Mexican whistles and obnoxious calls had stopped- all before the age of 18. It is a repugnant culture.

  • NAVY

    For decades American’s have accepted illegal immigration without knowing or seeking to know America’s fighting history with Mexico.

    Dr. Jack Wheeler wrote a superb article on the history of Mexico.

    It is short and to the point.

    American’s reading this article are urged to pass it along to their neighbors since America’s history of Mexico isnt taught in American schools.

    A reprint of the article can be read here:

    http://goo.gl/Icn8v

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Anyone that lives in a multicultural area and has a daughter above the age of eight has seen a hispanic stare in a creepy way or whistle or something. Guaranteed.

    I saw this done to my son as much as my daughter.

    Don’t ever take your eyes off of your precious children, male or female, around non-Whites.

    Bon

  • Schoolteacher

    If you look at the beer ads plugging Cinco de Mayo, you’ll notice that the women are usually White, with maybe one out of three having a slight Mediterranean look. The men will all be Spanish looking, never a Mestizo. These companies don’t spend their money on misreading their customers’ fantasies. But even Budweiser doesn’t dare feature a twelve year old girl in their ads.

  • Drunkex

    It would seem to be a big part of Mexican culture to just blame the victim when incest occurs and just cover it up. Values that you should want to stop at the Rio Grande.

  • Tricia from Ohio

    Hey, it’s not an “Indian thing”… It’s a Mexican thing. I’m descended from 3 tribes, and I can guarantee child molestation is NOT cultural in ANY of the tribes from the USA (or Canada, for that matter)! The Aztecs, Zapotecs etc are a whole other kettle of fish. I for one, do not appreciate being lumped with cannibals!

  • John Engelman

    1 — Anonymous wrote at 5:51 PM on April 29:

    This guy is probably Indian hispanic. It is the custom, long sanctioned and considered normal among Mexican Indians that the father has the absolute right to have sex with his daughters beginning a couple years before first menstruation, about 9 to 11. He can have sex with her until he gets tired of her and or the next daughter turns 9 or 10.

  • Anonymous

    “One reason hispanic girls reach puberty so unusually early is that they have been molested on regular basis starting about age 5 or 6. The sexual activitiy stimulates hormone premature hormone secretion resulting in early egg ripening and early maturity.”

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    True, and the same applies to blacks and Asians. There is a very large Mexican population where I live and most of these molestations of children are committed by Mexicans. Most of the time those three groups of people do NOT report their perps for molesting their young. It is natural to them and not considered a crime.

  • Michael C. Scott

    Could this be more of those Hispanic family values Shrubya used to prattle about?

    One one level, it’s understandable why Mexicans chase under-age girls; aside from the educated upper classes, their own women tend to look like hags by the age of 20.

    The fact that nine years is the maximum sentence in this crime in New York is appalling; in Colorado the words “to life” are a mandatory part of any child sex sentence; that is statutory and completely out of a judge’s hands. It’s too bad the people who have “outed” the victim can’t be charged with anything here; even “contempt of court” would be better than nothing.

  • Anonymous

    I remember keeping up on the story of the little boy in the custody fight with parents/relatives in Cuba and how one of the older women unzipped and ‘handled’ him, in full view of the cameras, after he’d been liberated by jack-booted thugs at the orders of Napolitano I think it was. This being dismissed as purely a cultural norm.

    I am told that it is also ‘normal’ in Asian families (even between grandparents and grandchildren) and that it begins when the children are babies to encourage sleepiness at bedtime.

    I just about choked.

    We are beyond the pale of decent human behavior, lost somewhere in the twilight zone…

  • elaine

    “This guy is probably Indian hispanic. It is the custom, long sanctioned and considered normal among Mexican Indians that the father has the absolute right to have sex with his daughters beginning a couple years before first menstruation, about 9 to 11. He can have sex with her until he gets tired of her and or the next daughter turns 9 or 10.

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    An assertion like that should be documented. I have never read that. An internet search found nothing to substantiate it.”

    One of the sons in the Children of Sanchez, is living with a woman and talks about how her 11 yr old daughter had been raped by a previous step-father. He was disgusted by that. The Children of Sanchez is a pretty honest documentary book of interviews of a Mexican family around 1960, father, 2 sons and 2 daughters; the mother had died. I don’t recall any talk about sex with kids. Girls were considered ripe when they reached puberty and their first boy friends were usually boys their own age. One of the daughters was quite a blue-stocking compared to the others, and except for one abortion, had no pregnancies or children. The other daughter of course had 3 kids by the time she was 18 with her boy friend, of a similar age. The 2 sons were somewhat promiscuous but the women they described were always sexually mature.

    What I’m getting at is, I’ve never heard of Indians (and father Sanchez was Indian from a village) with such a custom of common pedophilia. Certainly it occurs, esp. among the poorest and dumbest, but it is not universally accepted.

  • Anonymous

    @11 – I didn’t write #1 but as someone with lots of legal experience with these people I can tell you it is VERY common. A year or two age there was a HUGE story nationwide when a Mexican kidnapped a girl about 12 to “marry” and swapped a case of beer for her. I think it happened in Texas. No one except child services saw anything wrong with it. This practice is extremely common. Wife kidnapping, and by wife I mean child abduction of 8 to 12 year olds is so prevalent you wouldn’t believe it. I agree wholeheartedly with the poster who said not to take your eyes off your children around Mexicans. While that is good advice around anyone, at least most races think it is at least wrong to kidnap children for sex. Mexicans honestly think this is normal and in Mexico it is. You just wouldn’t believe how often it happens even here.

  • elaine

    I hate to sound so PC, but the “handling” of that little Cuban boy was as much a product of European Spanish/Mediterranean culture as any Spanish, Indian or black influences. My uncle said when he was in italy during WWII, you would see mothers in the street “handling” v. little boys to calm them. Possibly proximity to the Muslim world was involved, for this custom occurs in Muslim lands. But this was also a custom in other parts of Europe, incl. Germany, where the nurse or mother would stroke the private areas (through the clothes) of small children, both male & female, to calm them to sleep. Yeah, it sounds weird, criminal and icky to us, but the idea was that small children were not really sexual and somehow this sort of “feel good” area help tranquilize them. It is probably illegal these days. I am not aware of the custom existing (as a socially sanctioned practice that is) in the Anglo-Saxon world. I don’t know about the French. We have to be aware of our own cultural anthropology because others may attack us on it. western civ has proven that people can discard unhealthy customs as we acquire more information on human health and psychology. Other societies have discarded bad customs mostly under duress, and pressures from outside. Footbinding in China is a good example. 1,000 yrs of torturing small children with bent and twisted feet, stopped in less than 20 years as China opened to the dreaded “West.”

  • White, Jewish, and Proud

    I just don’t understand it.

    Why in the name of all that’s holy should I or any other American care one iota about an invented charade like Cinco de Mayo?

  • TomSwift

    “Europeans would never do something like this, but Muslims and Hispanics…”

    I’m not so sure we wouldn’t do something like this, it’s just less common. Getting a conviction for rape was almost impossible anywhere before about 1950.

  • Anonymous

    11 — John Engelman wrote at 7:30 AM on April 30:

    1 — Anonymous wrote at 5:51 PM on April 29:

    This guy is probably Indian hispanic. It is the custom, long sanctioned and considered normal among Mexican Indians that the father has the absolute right to have sex with his daughters beginning a couple years before first menstruation, about 9 to 11. He can have sex with her until he gets tired of her and or the next daughter turns 9 or 10.

    ——-

    An assertion like that should be documented. I have never read that. An internet search found nothing to substantiate it.

    —————————————————————

    Documented, John? Many things are not documented. Don’t say anything negative about nonwhites around John folks, because he will come to their rescue. Especially when it is derogatory towards a “minority” group. John, I don’t know why you are even on this forum since almost every post of yours shows your true colors. We aren’t as stupid or backwards as you seem to think.

    Since I cannot “document” this, because I cannot remember the show or the year, I saw a episode many years ago on some show about incest (can you believe it, usually they have only Whites) and two mexican sisters told about their father and grandfather molesting them at a young age and their own mother knew it but did nothing, because she said it is a common practice in the mexican culture and the same happened to her when she was small. It is also common in the black culture as one black woman told me years ago. They really don’t think anything of it. Just as blacks today are saying rape is no big deal.

  • None

    Don’t ever take your eyes off of your precious children, male or female, around non-Whites.

    Bon

    _____________________________

    Bon is correct. When I was a teenager, I experienced looks, whistles, and suggestive comments from Mexicans. I had no idea what was going on.

    I am male, and this was in Chicago!

  • Anonymous

    To Post # 18: “Europeans would never do something like this, but Muslims and Hispanics…”

    What I meant is that Europeans usually take the side of the raped child, and not the abuser, but some Mislim and Hispanic cultures consider the victim at fault (as was the case in the original article). In some Islamic countries, a raped worman can bed stoned to death.

  • ghw

    16 — Anonymous wrote:

    “…as someone with lots of legal experience with these people, I can tell you it is VERY common. A year or two age there was a HUGE story nationwide when a Mexican kidnapped a girl about 12 to “marry” and swapped a case of beer for her. I think it happened in Texas. No one except child services saw anything wrong with it. This practice is extremely common. Wife kidnapping, and by wife I mean child abduction of 8 to 12 year olds is so prevalent you wouldn’t believe it.”

    ______________________

    Here in NYC it is also very common among the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. They are often arrested for statutory rape, and they simply cannot understand what is the problem. They were just having fun! Everybody does it! It’s normal!

    Regarding Mexicans, some years ago I had a good friend, born in Mexico, who told me that his own mother was abducted and raped as a young girl by a group of Indians (by the man who was his father). He said she was white, making her a prime target, and his father was an Indio.

    Being Mexican, and unlike Americans, he was not hesitant to talk about the racial aspect of this and he made it clear that his mother, as a white girl, was considered a prize catch.

    After that, the two families got together and the rapist was forced to marry her (to save her honor). It was a shotgun wedding. He said that his mother hated his father forever after and she said he had ruined her life. In turn, she vowed to ruin his, and she made him miserable in every way she could. She hated him to the day he died. They had a terrible marriage with no love in it (but many children).

    And yes, John, that is a true story!

  • Periapsis

    I too have seen the creepy stares and other things these Mexicans do around young children. I even saw one look at my nephew in a manner that enraged me, I stared at him with an icy stare that could freeze air. The only way whites can protect their children is to keep they away from these vile people, teach them to avoid all non-whites because they are their enemies, and to kill the non-whites who molest white children. It’s time to go back to the hoods, nooses and oak trees when it comes to child molesters, of any race.

  • Anonymous

    No need to jump to such assertions Anonymous 20. He could simply be looking for a source to substantiate an argument elsewhere.

    Thank you for citing something, though.

  • Bobby

    #6 Navy, thank you for another article that ilustrates why huge segments of Americans, mostly Democrats, some Republicans and hardcore leftists, are truly sick, misguided people.

  • Rajesh

    Please stop lumping all of us “nonwhites” in the same category. Indians from India usually stay virgins until marriage- even the ones who get married in their late 20s. We are more sexually reserved than whites.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    I think it happened in Texas. No one except child services saw anything wrong with it. This practice is extremely common.

    Look, I’d love for Texas to take credit for this case, and it probably IS happening in Texas as well, but this time it’s California’s turn (sigh), as we morph into pedophile paradise. IIRC, AmRen covered this story.

    Read on:

    A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for… 100 cases of Corona beer, 50 cases of Modelo, six bottles of wine, 50 cases of soft drinks and 50 cases of Gatorade.

    Martinez asked authorities in Greenfield, CA…. for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn’t made…Such marriages are not unusual.

    Martinez is a member of an indigenous Mexican Trique-speaking community… arranged marriages with girls as young as 12 are not uncommon among the Trique.

    Members of the indigenous community protested the news reports and public discussion of the case, saying they were painted in a very negative light.

    Wow! Do ya think?

    The father was sentenced to a year in jail and MAY be deported after that.

    But, as California becomes increasingly brown, and as Mexican Indians pour over the border to race-replace us Whites, this quaint tradition from Old Mexico may well become accepted, the age of consent reduced from 18 to 12 and kidnap- marriages of pre-teens legitimized.

    And, #16:

    No one except child services saw anything wrong with it.

    This is true! And, as child services becomes increasingly non-White, even

    THEY won’t see anything wrong with it, only us “backwards” Whites with our prissy laws that protect our precious young children from predators and pedophiles.

    And, in my experience, it IS common in certain Mexican communities — so many of the Amber alerts we have around here all the times on the California roads deal with a young Hispanic female, 12-16, “abducted” by a male in his 20s or older hightailing it for the border. If they ARE caught, it more often than not turns out to be a non-kidnapping where the young girl has agreed to go with the male.

    Also, a DA who works with my school told me that incest is VERY common in Mexican families, and they see nothing wrong with this practice, it is normal for them. The younger the pregnant female, the more likely incest is a factor.

    Bon

  • Anonymous

    Europeans would never do something like this, but Muslims

    and Hispanics (i.e., New World Indians) would. These innate

    differences in morality cause problems when different races are

    forced to live together in the same society.

    Nope, that Josef Fritzl thing never happened. Because only Muslims or Hispanics or any number of brown people not born and bred in the middle of Central Europe would be degenerate enough to such horrific things.

  • Anonymous

    To Posts #19 & 23: I am Poster #3. I was referring to how Muslim and Hispanic communities often blame the female victim (as clearly pointed out in the article). In some Islamic nations, female rape victims can be stonned to death.

    This is opposite to how Europeans look at rape.

    This is a fundamental difference in morality between Europeans vs. Muslims and some Hispanic groups. Such differences make it difficult for people of different races to live together.

  • ghw

    “Nope, that Josef Fritzl thing never happened. Because only Muslims or Hispanics or any number of brown people not born and bred in the middle of Central Europe would be degenerate enough to such horrific things.”

    Wrong analolgy! That Fitzl case was the anomaly, a freak case. The Mexican and Moslem cases are the norm.

  • Anonymous

    @17 Elaine,

    >>

    I hate to sound so PC, but the “handling” of that little Cuban boy was as much a product of European Spanish/Mediterranean culture as any Spanish, Indian or black influences.

    >>

    I see Hispanics claim ‘European background’ with an almost pathetic desperation, all the time. Usually it’s Spanish or Basque. They fail to mention the DOZENS of generations of Indian intermix /since they last had an Iberian ancestor/ though.

    Beyond which, if they want to be ‘European’ they should go there to do this. Americans are not into messing with our kids that way, excusing the behavior when the ADULT knew it was being put on television for the whole world to see is utter nonsense.

    >>

    My uncle said when he was in italy during WWII, you would see mothers in the street “handling” v. little boys to calm them.

    >>

    This is not the 1940s, we are not in Europe.

    >>

    We have to be aware of our own cultural anthropology because others may attack us on it.

    >>

    Actually, this has been done. We have a very dark past which has been anthropologically cross-correlated through diary and journal based recordings of ‘being punished as bad children’ and medical reports of what could ONLY be sexual trauma and resulting STD based transmission of certain diseases. In very young populations. Looked at collectively, it paints a very grim picture of frontier American ‘infanticidal’ family tendencies in the Colonial era.

    To which I would again say- We are not living in the 1700s either. Why can’t whites maintain certain standards of conduct in the culture they have _now_ as a baseline for who we will and will not let into our society? Every other culture on the planet has such a _bar_ to basic cultural acceptance. You clear it or you don’t. We are who we are because we act differently. BE PROUD OF THAT!

    >>

    Western civ has proven that people can discard unhealthy customs as we acquire more information on human health and psychology. Other societies have discarded bad customs mostly under duress, and pressures from outside. Footbinding in China is a good example. 1,000 yrs of torturing small children with bent and twisted feet, stopped in less than 20 years as China opened to the dreaded “West.”

    >>

    Incest is still rampant throughout the world in every culture but ours. Japan, China, India, Africa, SWA.

    Google _The Universality Of In****_.

    Family Beds, Dormitory sex clubs. Genital mutilation. ‘Painting a fingernail black’ on a boy. We are better than this because we flatly are _better_.

    Everywhere I go online that I find a black, hispanic or increasingly ‘asian’ forum membership I find comments about how white genetics are not only recent but inbred and ‘freakish’ and the sooner we are gone, the better off the planet will be.

    And I just look at the screen and _marvel_ at the depths of their ignorant hubris. _TUOI_ is the hallmark of what real ‘multiculturalism’ was, is and remains about: a total lack of respect for individuality, even in the most intimate of bond groups: the nuclear family. We cannot just ‘accept’ this if we are going to remain separate and unique as a people and a geneline.

  • Anonymous

    @27 Rajesh,

    >>

    Please stop lumping all of us “nonwhites” in the same category. Indians from India usually stay virgins until marriage- even the ones who get married in their late 20s. We are more sexually reserved than whites.

    >>

    Not. In. India.

    >

    So acceptable is sex between close relatives in India that uncle-niece and cross-cousin marriages were preferred among certain Indian groups.(100) As the old Indian proverb has it, “For a girl to be a virgin at ten years old, she must have neither brothers nor cousin nor father.” These sleeping patterns with relatives who live in common residences continue even after marriage, since husbands are often cold to wives, and sex with the husband’s younger brother is covertly encouraged by the family to give the wife someone to be “close” to.(101) Grandfathers often call the little girls “my little wife,” give them candy and “play the role of an old seducer,” teasing them by saying “Don’t you want to marry me?”(102) One observer stuns up traditional Indian sexual stimulation during childhood as follows: “The little Hindu girls are deflowered by the little boys with whom they play, and repeat together the erotic lessons which their parents have unwittingly taught them on account of the general promiscuity of family life throughout India. In all the little girls of less than ten years of age the complete hymen is wanting.. Incest is often the rule rather than the exception.”(103)

    >

    http://goo.gl/fwbQj

    You know the old story… “They sent a team to India to take surveys of the rural population. One of the questions asked was when the local villagers had first heard the British had left. The routine answer: ‘The British were here?’.”

    Things don’t change.

    We should not be forced to accept ‘vibrancy’ as an aesthetic and culturally distasteful alien presence among us (which we would never enforce on others as -our- unwanted presence), when the reality is that it is _not_ healthy for us to ignore all the OTHER problems that the diversicult bring with them.

    We have an edge. We have a dream. That should be ours and ours alone.

  • Anonymous

    To Posts #19 & 23: I am Poster #3. I was referring to how Muslim and Hispanic communities often blame the female victim (as clearly pointed out in the article). In some Islamic nations, female rape victims can be stoned to death.

    This is opposite to how Europeans look at rape.

    Of course you did. Which is why you didn’t post it with your initial reply, right? It’s not like you could post glaring factual errors or anything.

    Victim-blaming/or killing for non-consensual or coerced sex have featured prominently Western media since at least Shakespeare’s time. Or, failing that, Westerners can always fall back on pervasive blame-the-victim mentalities like the just world phenomena. Made for and by Central Europeans since at least 1759. ^_^

  • Anonymous

    34 — Anonymous wrote at 3:40 PM on May 2:

    To Posts #19 & 23: I am Poster #3. I was referring to how Muslim and Hispanic communities often blame the female victim (as clearly pointed out in the article). In some Islamic nations, female rape victims can be stoned to death.

    This is opposite to how Europeans look at rape.

    Of course you did. Which is why you didn’t post it with your initial reply, right? It’s not like you could post glaring factual errors or anything.

    Victim-blaming/or killing for non-consensual or coerced sex have featured prominently Western media since at least Shakespeare’s time. Or, failing that, Westerners can always fall back on pervasive blame-the-victim mentalities like the just world phenomena. Made for and by Central Europeans since at least 1759. ^_^\

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    What are you talking about? And who are you? You make no sense whatsoever! Show me a NONwhite nation that have any sexual mores whatsoever! Of course, the good ole USA has brought in millions of these nonwhites and their “cultures” and “those” who have run our country and our media into the ground wants it that way.

    I DO remember growing up (I was there!) in a decent moral(for the most part) America where we kids NEVER even heard of a homosexual, nor were afraid to walk to the movies at night, nor of locking our doors. We were taught to be sexually pure and most of us accepted it that way. We went to church and joined the Brownies,

    There were no porn or sexually explicit movies on TV or at the movies, no raunchy rap music, no integration between blacks and Whites, no cuss words from men in front of women and children, no divorces to speak of, but then of course I lived among White people back then and MOST of us were considered POOR! There were no “feminist” movements, no drugs, no promotion of promiscuity, and the list goes on. So now, tell me that we USA WHITE Europeans (where our ancestors came from) are as immoral as the rest of the world!

  • Anonymous

    Nope, that Josef Fritzl thing never happened. Because only Muslims or Hispanics or any number of brown people not born and bred in the middle of Central Europe would be degenerate enough to do such horrific things.”

    Wrong analogy! That Fitzl case was the anomaly, a freak case. The Mexican and Moslem cases are the norm.

    An incestuous child rapist by any other name is still an incestuous child rapist, since I believe the whole point of this blog entry is that a father molesting his child(ren) under any circumstance is beyond disgusting and immoral in every way. Pretending to think otherwise is a grotesque display of insensitivity to Elizabeth Fritzl and people like her. 😐

  • ghw

    Wrong analogy! That Fitzl case was the anomaly, a freak case. The Mexican and Moslem cases are the norm.

    An incestuous child rapist by any other name is still an incestuous child rapist, since I believe the whole point of this blog entry is that a father molesting his child(ren) under any circumstance is beyond disgusting and immoral in every way. Pretending to think otherwise is a grotesque display of insensitivity to Elizabeth Fritzl and people like her. 😐

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    I fully agree! An incestuous child rapist is indeed an incestuous child rapist. Where have I said otherwise?

    You might as well say that a rose is a rose, and a pig is a pig. Can there be any argument?

    I have in no way defended “incestuous child rapists”. What a preposterous accusation! Nor am I “pretending to think otherwise”, nor am I being insensitive to Eliazabeth Fritzl (whose name was never even mentioned before now).

    You are completely and intentionally obfuscating and distorting the issues here! Or do you just lack any sense of logic?

    I only said there is no anaolgy between a freak incident (with all due sensitivity to the victim!) which is completely anomalous in its community, as against a common practice elsewhere that is defended by the many as a cultural norm!

    Did you see indignant Austrians protesting in defense of Josef Fritzl? Are they defending him as a pillar of the community? Are they attacking his daughter as a liar?

    Please show us where. Somehow I missed that.

    By the way, since you are so admirably concerned with displaying sensitivity for victims, where is YOUR sensitivity to the young Miss Caceres, who is being vilified by the Mexican community, treated as a liar, and told to “tell the truth”? Why have you shown no sensitivity for her? Your selective “sensitivity” is strange. And it’s rather suspect.

  • Anonymous

    I fully agree!

    Okay.

    An incestuous child rapist is indeed an incestuous child rapist. Where have I said otherwise?

    You might as well say that a rose is a rose, and a pig is a pig. Can there be any argument?

    I have in no way defended “incestuous child rapists”. What a preposterous accusation! Nor am I “pretending to think otherwise”, nor am I being insensitive to Eliazabeth Fritzl (whose name was never even mentioned before now).

    You are completely and intentionally obfuscating and distorting the issues here! Or do you just lack any sense of logic?

    I only said there is no analogy between a freak incident (with all due sensitivity to the victim!) which is completely anomalous in its community, as against a common practice elsewhere that is defended by the many as a cultural norm!

    I’m the one completely and intentionally obfuscating and distorting the issue? Really? You’re trying to spin the Fritzl case as “an anomaly” and a “freak nature” as if that’s some sort of mitigating factor in Fritzl’s conduct. Raping a child is horrific regardless of any racial, cultural, or religious combination. Cáceres and Fritzl are equally disgusting. But more about that later.

    Did you see indignant Austrians protesting in defense of Josef Fritzl? Are they defending him as a pillar of the community? Are they attacking his daughter as a liar?

    Please show us where. Somehow I missed that.

    Nope. Neither is the whole of NYC’s Hispanic community. In fact, Hispanic family services and victims’ advocacy groups adamantly condemned Cáceres’ crime and the subsequent conduct of his supporters (who are mostly tied to his CECOMEX organization and are doing ones feeding most of the media). If you had read the whole article, you and everyone here would’ve known that.

    For the sake of argument, I’ll say that it would’ve been impractical to include the VV’s article in its entirety here; it’s five or six pages long, but there are links clearly marked. The burden of spending the five minutes it would’ve taken to familiarize one’s self in the information presented falls on individuals, including yourself, sir. It was there. Why wouldn’t you want to be fully informed?

    I’ll go as far as to speculate that the Village Voice wrote the

    By the way, since you are so admirably concerned with displaying sensitivity for victims, where is YOUR sensitivity to the young Miss Caceres, who is being vilified by the Mexican community, treated as a liar, and told to “tell the truth”? Why have you shown no sensitivity for her? Your selective “sensitivity” is strange. And it’s rather suspect.

    Please. I’m hardly selective. But, first, some background.

    I’d previously written a rather lengthy post in response to Poster #35’s absurd stance that once upon a time America was an episode of Leave It To Beaver. But oddly enough, someone – I assume the administrators of this site who, judging by the disclaimer one is redirected to after pressing the “Post” button, filter the comments posted to articles – refused to post that comment, although my previous (#29 and #34) and following comment (#36) seemed to make the cut. I haven’t used profanity or anything of that sort of in any of my posts, you have to grant me that, so I’ll leave it an open question as to why that post never showed up. I have my own theory about it, to which I’ll say so much for the quote by Thomas Jefferson in the header there.

    Anyway – here’s where I’m picking up in the present – I was not being selective in case of Ms. Fritzl versus the case of Ms. Cáceres. To the best of my memory, I concluded my censored rejected post with the following: “Getting back on topic, I find it ridiculous that Mr. Cáceres got only nine years in prison. He should’ve been taken out back behind the courthouse and shot following conviction, because him, Josef Fritzl, or anyone who would dream of doing something like this to their or any child, for that matter, is a waste of oxygen.”

  • Anonymous

    15 — elaine wrote at 7:04 PM on April 30:

    “This guy is probably Indian hispanic. It is the custom, long sanctioned and considered normal among Mexican Indians that the father has the absolute right to have sex with his daughters beginning a couple years before first menstruation, about 9 to 11. He can have sex with her until he gets tired of her and or the next daughter turns 9 or 10.

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    An assertion like that should be documented. I have never read that. An internet search found nothing to substantiate it.”

    I wrote that comment. I was in prison for many years. I was told this by my hispanic indian fellow prisoners. Everyone of them who had daughters had sex with them when the girls turned 10 or 11.