Student Groups Protest UCLA Law Professor Stephen Bainbridge’s Heated Blog Remarks, Law School Dean’s Written Response

Kate Parkinson-Morgan, Daily Bruin (UCLA), April 15, 2011

UCLA law students are reacting with frustration to the law school dean’s response to a professor’s xenophobic blog posts, according to a student law organization.

The post, made by Stephen Bainbridge, professor of corporate law, began with complaints about FedEx Express Office online services. Bainbridge described the customer service representative he spoke with as a “moron with an impenetrable accent,” and asked, “What third world shithole do they have him penned up in?”

The comments, made on March 27, were posted on Bainbridge’s blog, professorbainbridge.com, one of the top 100 legal blogs recommended by the American Bar Association Journal.

Shortly after, many student groups from the law school reacted strongly against the comments. Students Helping Assure Racial Equity, Justice and Diversity mounted the primary response.

“The phrasing of his post was careless and very insensitive. Students here come from a diverse range of backgrounds, including some parts of the world he put down in his comments,” said Kenia Acevedo, co-chair of SHARE JD and a law student.

School of Law Dean Rachel Moran sent a letter to concerned student organizations in response. In the letter, Moran said the comments do not reflect the views of UCLA School of Law. She also said UCLA Law cannot censure his views because they were posted on his personal blog. Moran was not available for comment.

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Bainbridge has since posted another blog entry, stating that he deleted the “offending passages” and offered his apologies.

“Some folks thought the excised comments were racially insensitive. I don’t see it myself but … I don’t want to offend readers unnecessarily,” Bainbridge wrote in the post.

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SHARE JD members said they were upset the law school failed to provide those offended with an adequate response.

“The response was watered down. Since his blog is so directly tied to the institution and capitalizes on the fact that he is a UCLA law professor … it reflects poorly on the school,” Acevedo said.

SHARE JD members said they found the response especially lackluster in light of the administration’s strong reaction to the recent Alexandra Wallace video, in which a student ranted against Asians on campus.

In response to the Wallace video, Chancellor Gene Block sent a letter to the campus community and posted a video condemning Wallace’s views.

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New York University law student Anand Parikh managed to post a comment before the commenting feature was closed.

Parikh said he was mortified that a professor would share these views so openly.

“How can he objectively grade students with that viewpoint?” Parikh said.

He added that he thinks the incident is emblematic of an overall lack of respect and support for diverse students within law schools.

Harris agrees, stating that the burden of representation she feels as a black student in law school is “intense.”

“Sometimes, I’m the only face of color in class, so I’ll be the only one to say something when a diversity issue comes up,” said Harris, also a member of the Black Law Student Association.

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  • Usedtoworkinaphoneroom

    Too bad they don’t have this much passion about american jobs.

  • SavetheWest

    Whoever this Harris woman is… She better be grateful that she is in a law school setting, probably a racial quota any ways. And she probably is NOT the only person of color, as she likes to say. I don’t think she counts the “yellow” man at UCLA. I’m hearing that it’s 39% Far East Asian. And the rest is majority Caucasian. So I think Ms. Harris meant the only black. That’s not our fault. Tell your black peers to study more. End of story.

  • Bill R

    It’s called FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Those “law students” should know that from Constitutional Law 101 in their freshman year. Just what we need: more lawyers who are clueless about our basic Bill of Rights. Anybody who has ever had to try to get something done through contacting “customer service” for any big company knows exactly this guy’s frustration: getting a completely unintelligible “customer service representative” that you just know is not speaking from THIS country, but likely India or somewhere off shore. Here’s another tip for you folks. I used to work at a place who designed software programs for such call banks. They read from a script and scroll through a menu. If you ask them a question that is NOT covered in the programmed responses, they go into mind lock. Bottom line, they have NO clue as to your problem or how to resolve it. They are merely reading from a menu of choices.

  • SoCal LoCal

    Black female law student Harris states: sometimes she is the face of color in the class. Do the other students have invisible faces? Or is white not a visible color to her?

  • Anonymous

    Brainbridge said, “I don’t want to offend readers unnecessarily,”

    I like this guy! He doesn’t mind offending readers, just as long as it isn’t “unnecessary.” I fully support his freedom to offend readers when is IS “necessary.”

  • Anonymous

    This is serious business. No, really.

    If they send all tech referrals to the sub continent and you can’t understand the operator’s best attempt at an approximation of English, the whole enterprise of ‘outsourcing’ America comes under attack.

    Surely a professor of _corporate law_ should know this?

    Treading on thin ice there sir. Endanger someone’s yearly bonus and they will send the maddened young Maoists after you with their little red book and everything.

    Welcome to the wonderful world of Indian Tech Support-

    http://goo.gl/OIFf0

    If they can’t keep the second largest city (Mumbai/Bombay) any better looking than this, why do we need to doubt a tenured professor’s word about their English competencies?

    Rhetorical question.

  • Moving to Europe

    Me, me, me…I, I, I…”the only face of color in the room.” Pardon me, last time checked, I am not transparent: I have color. This is such narcissism it would be embarrassing if the implications weren’t so serious.

  • Tom S.

    I would personally never send a kid of mine to that 3rd world s— hole called the UCLA! They have a long history of allowing the most vile anti-White\ anti-American ‘professors’ and guest speakers on their campus without a peep of protest, in fact they’re praised as “great scholars”. It has become nothing more than one of MANY occupied territories within our borders, does any REAL teaching go on there anymore?

    And then of course we have yet ANOTHER spineless White ‘man’ apologizing for stating the TRUTH. My my, what great leaders we have on our side! I may not like Al $harpton or Je$$ie Jack$on, but I admire them for standing by their convictions, I’ve yet to hear them (sincerely) apologize to ANYONE however wrong they are and they have done quite well for themselves. We desperately need White versions of them.

    In my opinion this UCLA nonsense is yet another sign that this country is too far gone to remain the “United” States of America and that a civil war and eventual break-up is all but certain in the VERY near future. If we as Whites would’ve acted as one 20 – 30 years ago we might have had a chance to save our once great nation, but only a miracle can save us now!

  • open carry

    This rediculous religion of diversity is falling apart. I say good riddance. Three years ago this man would have been begging for his life publicly. Welcome to 2011: “Some folks thought the excised comments were racially insensitive. I don’t see it myself but … I don’t want to offend readers unnecessarily,” Bainbridge wrote in the post. In other words “bite me!”. I also believe it is absolutely necessary to offend readers that would be offended by these statements. Those same readers are going to be offended anyway, so offend away good sir, I wish you well.

  • Mr.White

    Remind me again why they continue with the “multiculturalism and diversity” is our greatest strength rhetoric? If this were true, then how come one truthful comment, directed at no one, could cause such uproar, at an institution where free speech is supposed to be protected? The multicults are absolutely coming unglued!

    One might be led to believe multiculturalism and diversity is putting us on the fast track to balkanization.

  • Anonymous

    “Sometimes, I’m the only face of color in class, so I’ll be the only one to say something when a diversity issue comes up,” said Harris, also a member of the Black Law Student Association.

    So Ms. Harris is a member of the “Black Law Student Association” and then has the nerve to complain about being “the only face of color in class”. Tell me Ms. Harris, how many White faces do you see in your BLSA meetings?

    As usual, to them its whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine too!

  • Anonymous

    “She better be grateful that she is in a law school setting, probably a racial quota any ways”.

    I think it may be best to refer to them as that. Terribly insensitive, yes. The solution for that, the way to avoid being offended, is to get rid of affirmative action.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone please note how incredibly MILD these “offending” remarks actually were. The customer rep is merely desribed as having “an impenetrable accent” and being from a “third world ****hole.” So what? This is the way normal people talk.

    It’s not eve like this UCLA prof was making any generalization about ALL Indians being like this — only this one rep he talked to.

    The bar for what qualifies as “hatespeech” just gets lower all the time.

  • SS

    NEVER apologize. Never. Never take-back, never make excuses, never budge. Never.

  • Anonymous

    I would be curious to know the ethnicity of the members of SHARE JD. Most likely the majority are rich white kids who grew up in white neighborhoods who feel bad for the poor repressed minorities. Never heard of a Black Student Law Association, I wonder if they need more than two chairs for a meeting?

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how outraged these people were when black Columbia Professor Lionel McIntyre sucker-punched a white female non-professor co-worker? What ever happened to him, did he get fired as any white professor who sucker-punched a black female would have? BTW, the reason he punched her was that she was winning a debate about white privilege, a debate he started.

  • NAVY

    In America we say what we feel is right.

    Right down to the DNA.

    Law school students graduate without being learned or taught the congressional globes and congressional records.

    The basic fundementals from accurate decision making is derived and the reason why our judicial system has turned inside out.

  • sbuffalonative

    This conversation should be relegated to their Constitutional law classes where they SHOULD be defending everyones right to free expression.

    That law students want to punish people for speaking their minds is most troubling indeed.

    “I don’t want to offend readers unnecessarily”

    What you said was crude but there is no right for people not to be offended. Good heavens, I’m offended by liberals and “progressives” every day. I wish they would shut up but I don’t demand they do so.

    Do people realize we’re living in a world that’s dictated by the ideology of a Disney character? Wasn’t it Thumper who, in Bambi, said, “If you can’t say something nice… don’t say nothing at all”?

  • Anonymous

    Walt

    Gee, I’m not a person of color? How ignorant of me. In my 1st grade finger painting class white was always a color. I’d better claim pink status. i don’t want to be left out.

  • Schoolteacher

    Offhand, I’d guess that Professor Bainbridge has tenure and knows his First Amendment rights. The UCLA administration is fully aware that they can’t touch him if he stands his ground. Maybe he’s even deliberately goading them, after the stink over Alexandra Wallace. Good for him.

  • An Indian

    Funny thing is many White American workers are even more incompetent than Indians in the call center. Only that for some odd reason no one seems to talk about it. In the University, the Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids. Excepting a few, most 17-18 year old sophomores (Americans-yes whites included) are barely able to balance an equation in organic chemistry, neither are they competent to understand what valency to use for elements on the modern periodic table. My Chinese friend and myself ( East Indian) were not only the two toppers of our class but as Teacher Assistants ( TA’s) we had to teach those oafs how to use the correct valency on elements…something a 12 year old can do fluently back in India or East Asia. Yes, we Indians do have strong accents and our language may sound incomprehensible but that does not mean we are morons. Americans may speak with “comprehensible” accents but that does not mean there are no shortage of morons here. From what I’d seen – plenty as compared to the new generation of Indians. Thats why I’m confident that despite the shortcomings India has, we will overtake the United States technologically and economically in 40-50 years.

  • Conan

    An Indian AKA A white troll with too much time on his hands – You’ll need a little more bait on that hook. Try harder next time.

  • The Bobster

    I see that Jugdesh is back, just using another monicker. Most Americans feel like hanging up when they realize they’ve reached an Indian call center. “Outsourced” isn’t funny; it’s an insult to out-of-work Americans.

  • Bill R

    To An Indian: NOBODY called Indians morons. That was not the point. The point was, all our customer service centers are being sent to India, and we CANNOT understand your sing song accented version of English. Understanding the other person on the other end of the phone is rather important when you are forced to rely on obtaining technical or other help solely BY PHONE. Moreover, why should a person buying from Sears, or wherever, in America have to get technical help or resolve complaints from some joker IN INDIA???? Even more to the point every job sent overseas is a JOB LOST TO AN AMERICAN. If India or China soon displaces us as the technological center of the world IT IS ONLY BECAUSE TRAITORS IN OUR GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY HELPED YOU DO IT. Left to your own devices, and sans OUR research and development given to you, and without the complicit treason of our politicians and businesses, India and China could not compete with us. Are Chinese and Indians smarter than the average black man? No question. Are they smarter than Whites? Smart is more than a base IQ. Smart is achieving without government props, and establishing a Republic which allows freedom to maximize individual potential. If Indians and Chinese are so “smart” why is it they live under repressive governments wherein only the elite attend schools and live fairly well while the vast majority of the population lives in abject poverty and under crushing oppression?

  • Mr.White

    21 — An Indian wrote at 2:33 AM on April 19:

    “Funny thing is many White American workers are even more incompetent than Indians in the call center. Only that for some odd reason no one seems to talk about it. In the University, the Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids.”

    —————————————————————

    How did America ever survive before the Indians ever came along! If Indians are so “smart,” then do tell about all the advances Indians have made in medicine, space exploration, mathematics, science, etc? I’ll be waiting.

    If Indians are so smart why is India so terrible? You’re not doing us any favors by being anywhere close to the western world. So do us a favor and stay in India, where you don’t have to burden yourself with incompetent white people.

  • copperhead

    Never apologize, never admit, never deny. When called a name,call your attacker another name. Always counterattack,escalate, put them on the defensive for a change.In other words don’t be a “conservative”.

  • Jack D.R.

    Re: Poster 21, An Indian

    Let me try to answer your post as best as I can. First, you are an Indian from India. You were educated in India with, first and foremost, Indian teachers putting your culture and your personal education first. Most Whites in the United States, although I submit to refer to my race as European American/European, were stuck and educated in a multicultural classroom. In the United States, not only did the teacher have to kowtow to Armando and Formikadinnette, he or she had to dumb-down the classroom curriculum and grading system so the minorities could pass. Your government takes care of you and your culture, the United States government despises the European American/European individual and his or her culture. Question, did your Indian high court state that your country of India must educate every illegal alien that stumbles across your border? Ours did (Plyer v. Doe). Does your country enforce its own border so future generations of Indians have their culture and academics protected? Ours does not.

    This day and age, a person is pretty much comparing apples and oranges when he or she puts the European American/European child, who was educated in a multicultural setting, against the child, who was not educated in a multicultural setting.

    “The Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids,” not in a pre-multicultural United States of America and pre-multicultural Europe. On this, I must refer you to the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    You might want to thank your lucky stars that you will have a “new generation of Indians”. European American/European children have nothing to look forward to except a third-world gutter of a nation and a vile government that hates them; being “sold down the river” by their own government, European American/European children may look forward to becoming a “new generation” of exiles in their own countries.

  • Spartan24

    @ Indian-

    It is because of our myserable educational system that teaches self esteem and other liberal garbage rather than math or science. They have to keep the material at the lowest level possible to keep the dumber kids from having their self esteem hurt by failing so even the average kids can make an easy “A”. When they get to college and are exposed to real math and science they end up in remedial classes to get the facts and skills that they missed in high school in favor of “self esteem”

  • Anonymous

    It was interesting reading about Lionel McIntyre. The only black prof who’d been on the crime pages that I’d heard of was the one from the beer summit. More deception and distortion from our mediaversities? And the ‘corporate interest’ who everyone knows ‘control’ the news? If it wasn’t for AmeRen, I would have never heard of McIntyre.

  • Anonymous

    An Indian wrote: “My Chinese friend and myself ( East Indian) were not only the two toppers of our class but as Teacher Assistants ( TA’s) we had to teach those oafs how to use the correct valency on elements…something a 12 year old can do fluently back in India or East Asia.”

    Am I the only person that finds it strange that Amren – a board that specifically promotes the interests of whites – attracts so many arrogant Asians – Indians in particular. If Indians (in India)are as advanced as you say they are, then why is it still so backwards in so many respects? It is not uncommon to see dead corpses floating down the Ganges river and it has more people living in poverty than in any other country in the world. The periodic table you discussed, was in fact invented by a white man – Dmitri Mendeleev. My intention, just to make it clear, is not to debase India. I actually like India, but I simply cannot understand the supercilious attitudes from posters like yourself. I think all these fairly intelligent Indians in the west would be better off in India, and working towards making it a better place. I also find it disturbing that YOU are in a TA position. I can only imagine how your biases could affect your grading of student papers, assuming you’ve been given that resposibility.

    Having said that, I would agree that part of the problem is that standards in the west, the US and UK in particular, have been lowered to the lowest common denomitor possible. It has also fostered a very self-centred “me” “me” attitude that encourages ignorance.

  • Schoolteacher

    Many of the most intelligent Whites are in law or business, where the money is. How many engineers make a million a year? We waste most of our talented people by paying them to do nothing of any real value.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    It infuriates me when wimpy Whites back down, especially a Law Professor who should have defended his own right of free speech.

    Here is UCLAs policy on Speech and Advocacy (via FIRE):

    The University is committed to assuring that all persons may exercise the constitutionally protected rights of free expression, speech, assembly, and worship.

    The Bobster writes:

    Most Americans feel like hanging up when they realize they’ve reached an Indian call center. ‘Outsourced’ isn’t funny; it’s an insult to out-of-work Americans.

    Don’t just hang up. Start fighting back. Put pressure on these companies, tell them you will not do business with an organization that has such poor customer service. I always mention the company’s competitors and state that I will take my business there instead as in “unlike your business, I always receive better and more courteous service from XYZ.” (always check this out first).

    Use the company’s own feedback form to complain. Take Names. Tell them you are not happy that you received poor customer service or technical support, i.e., you could not understand the individual’s accent or could not make him understand your problem.

    ‘Money talks,’ and they know that without customers’ wallets, they are nothing. Most people who receive poor customer service do not complain, and some companies need only receive as few as ten letters of complaint on a given issue to start paying attention. A small, focused minority can achieve disproportionate results. Let this be yet another front on which we wage our culture war.

    –Quoted from Alex Kutagic in Diverse Workforce = Rubbish Customer Service

    Then do it.

    The following is from poster “Wakjob” who gave a long list of the results of outsourcing and H-1b programmers:

    About call centers:

    Dell – Call center (closed in India because they don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers).

    United – Call center (closed in India because they don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers).

    Delta – Call centers (closed in India because they don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers).

    About H-1b programers:

    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).

    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure).

    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int.


    What was that Indian guy saying about about Indians being so much smarter than White students who are “barely able to balance an equation in Organic Chemistry” let alone “understand the Periodic Table?”

    HA HA HA HA

    This (IN ENGLISH) no less, from someone who CHOSE to come to a First World country built and created by those same “stupid” Whites? HA HA HA

    Someone from a Third World, backwards country that is not able to separate its drinking water from its sewage? HA HA HA

    In certain places in India the sewage pipes and water pipes are located beside each other. Thus in cases of a drainage overflow, the drinking water often gets contaminated causing health hazards.

    Must be all those “brilliant” Indian engineers and chemists that are oh-so-much smarter than us STUPID Euro-Americans. What a laugh!!

    Stupid White people!!

    Charles Murray catalogued man’s accomplishments according to the number of times they were cited by others. Over 97% of the most important scientists and 74% of the most important artists and authors were white, almost all males, and most from only four countries, Great Britain, Germany, France, and Italy.

    HA HA HA

    #21 An Indian: You got nothing to say to us.

    (SIC)

    Bon

    



  • Anonymous

    To “An Indian”:

    I’d rather live in the worst White country in the world than in India. If Indians are so smart and sophisticated, why does India look like India?

  • An Indian

    To Jack DR

    “Let me try to answer your post as best as I can. First, you are an Indian from India. You were educated in India with, first and foremost, Indian teachers putting your culture and your personal education first. Most Whites in the United States, although I submit to refer to my race as European American/European, were stuck and educated in a multicultural classroom. In the United States, not only did the teacher have to kowtow to Armando and Formikadinnette, he or she had to dumb-down the classroom”

    We have the same problem in India when the Marxist leaders ( traitors) like Nehru and the Gandhis removed segregation and forced Illegal bangladeshis, Sri Lankans ( who jumped across the borders), low IQ groups like Moslems and Lower Castes to forcibly integrate with us in every sphere of life. India is even more multi cultural than the United States, we have various races ranging from Indo-Aryans, Mongoloids, Turks, Dravidians, Mughals, Australoids, Islanders, Persians, Jews, Arabs, Afghans, and even a few Eurasians ( eg:Anglo Indians) who make up the Indian of today.

    “… curriculum and grading system so the minorities could pass. Your government takes care of you and your culture, the United States government despises the European American/European individual and his or her culture. Question, did your Indian high court state that your country of India must educate every illegal alien that stumbles across your border? Ours did (Plyer v. Doe). Does your country enforce its own border so future generations of Indians have their culture and academics protected? Ours does not.”

    I’ve replied to your point above.

    “This day and age, a person is pretty much comparing apples and oranges when he or she puts the European American/European child, who was educated in a multicultural setting, against the child, who was not educated in a multicultural setting.”

    Well as I explained your not alone, we have had and still continue to have the same dilemma in India too.

    “The Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids,” not in a pre-multicultural United States of America and pre-multicultural Europe. On this, I must refer you to the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    “You might want to thank your lucky stars that you will have a “new generation of Indians”. European American/European children have nothing to look forward to except a third-world gutter of a nation and a vile government that hates them; being “sold down the river” by their own government, European American/European children may look forward to becoming a “new generation” of exiles in their own countries.”

    Look my point is not to hate or put down whites. every race has the right to self preservation..as an Upper caste Indo-Aryan Indian, I understand that all too well. My ancestors were the progenitors of the Classical Indo-Aryan / Indo-European language of Sanskrit which predates other Europeans classical languages such as Greek and Latin. I know my history. Anyway, my point is this….I disagree with people gloating how only whites are superior and others inferior. truw that for the past 600 years…Europeans all over have contributed > 90% of the sciences…but also true that without the cardinal Mathematics and Science first developed in India, China, Mesopotamia and Egypt…the west would have been nowhere. As Albert Einstein quoted “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made!”

    http://www.iloveindia.com/quotes-on-india/index.html

    Thus we are both the same in terms of intelligence. This fallacy that Europeans are somehow inherently mentally superior can easily be debunked in my everyday practical situation. Smart and dumb people exist everywhere. However, every culture has its peak and downfall…the west has had its golden era for the past millenium, its our millenium now! And all evidence points towards the same. China and India.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    This is my final post on this matter. It irritates me to have to say the same things repeatedly to non-Whites who believe they are “superior” to us Whites and come here specifically to “put us in our place!” and tell us we are “nothing without them!”

    Look my point is not to hate or put down whites.

    Nonsense. That is exactly your point.

    You and your smug attitude of superiority come onto a WN site to tell us STUPID STUPID Whites what you think of us (using OUR language, in OUR country using technology WE created):

    White American workers are even more incompetent than Indians in the call center

    Yes, that’s why Delta, Dell and United closed their call centers in India, because Indians are so competent.

    In the University, the Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids.

    Come and take a look at my son’s AP Physics and AP Calculus classes and see who the top students are. They are WHITES, not Indian or Asian. And, here’s the the coup de grace: The instructor is Indian! With a doctorate, no less, teaching STUPID White kids nuclear physics and advanced theoretical mathematics. He has one of the highest rates of 5s on APs in the state.

    we had to teach those oafs how to use the correct valency on elements…something a 12 year old can do fluently back in India or East Asia.

    Calling us “oafs?”

    You believe we wouldn’t be insulted by your writing this, calling us oafs? Oh, yeah, WHEW! Thank God someone is finally telling us and pointing our how STUPID we Whites really are! Yeah, thanks for telling us like it is! We STUPID Whites are full of ourselves for believing we created the modern world! WOW!! Someone has finally pointed it out.

    Who do you think it was, maybe aliens that created our White First World Civilization and The Modern World? Because, according to you, it couldn’t have been us STUPID Whites!

    Without “brilliant” Indians to show us the way, our drinking water and our sewage water would still be mixed up, because we are TOO STUPID to separate the two — we should look to India, shouldn’t we, have their “brilliant” engineers show us how it’s done, how to build a First World civilization, shouldn’t we?

    My ancestors were the progenitors of the Classical Indo-Aryan / Indo-European language of Sanskrit which predates other Europeans classical languages such as Greek and Latin.

    That matters nothing in the modern world.

    Funny that you’re speaking the language of my people, isn’t it? I am not writing this in Urdu or Sanskrit, and neither are you — those are not the languages of modern science or medicine are they? It is English. A language from a small band of White Europeans living on a small patch of land in the far, cold reaches of Northern Europe.

    Amazing what those people did, isn’t it? Their influence is such that we are communicating in the language of MY people, not yours, English is dominant world-wide, in science, medicine and technology.

    Many eons ago, my ancestors painted themselves and blue huddled in caves along the muddy fields in front of glaciers.

    They also put a man on the moon, invented anti-biotics, the jet engine, computers, the Industrial Revolution, vaccines, the printing press, the internal combustion engine, electricity, television, atomic power, space exploration and functioning legal and financial systems — for starters.

    All that and British Common Law upon which our entire legal and thus economic systems are based, a system that created the richest, freest nation the world has ever know, the US. We created that as well. A nation every Third World denizen risks his life to enter. Wonder why that is….?

    Try living without White inventions for a week; you’d be living under a rock eating bugs.

    The FACTS are that the great technological innovations which have set the pace for the entire world are exclusively the product of a TINY minority of European Whites.

    Did you think the First World civilization we created in the US sprang up out of nothing? We Whites just came here and took over what was already here?

    Europeans all over have contributed > 90% of the sciences…but also true that without the cardinal Mathematics and Science first developed in India, China, Mesopotamia and Egypt…the west would have been nowhere.

    Nonsense. And you know it

    Only Whites have been able to do this: http://tinyurl.com/3dj53zd

    We accomplished this without “brilliant” Asian scientists to “guide” us STUPID Whites.

    This fallacy that Europeans are somehow inherently mentally superior can easily be debunked in my everyday practical situation.

    Mine too:

    My dad was a professor of Physics and Math at a large university; later he worked in private industry. He admired Asian and Indian students for their tenacity, hard work and intelligence — but always stated they were unable to think creatively, “outside of the box” so to speak; great copiers, imitators and improvers, but not innovators. He said the best engineers were the Germans.

    And, it is the “outside the box” creativity and innovation that has moved civilization forward. THAT is why and how we White Europeans created the modern world and not Asians.

    You will twist yourself every which way you can to make sure we Whites are not credited with anything, won’t you. It won’t work here.

    The overwhelming, in-your-face, empirical evidence between Indian and China and White civilizations speaks for itself every time.

    the west has had its golden era for the past millenium, its our millenium now! And all evidence points towards the same. China and India.

    About this you are correct: Western Civilization has been taken over and co-opted by an alien hostile elite whose goal is the elimination of Whites. Our alien government has put its boot on our necks allowing non-Whites to flood our countries, assault us, strip us of our homelands and wealth and receive “rights” over us. THIS is what is causing our demise.

    The fact that you are here in our White-created civilization, the one we created for ourselves and our posterity is proof of this, otherwise you wouldn’t be here. The fact that you can freely insult us but if I were to do the same thing to you, you could have me fired from my job is also proof of this. The fact that you have more rights than I do in my own homeland is proof of this. This is part of our alien, White-hating governments’ plans to eliminate us in the US, Europe, SA, Australia, Canada and NZ. And it’s working.

    With that said, I wish people like you would stop forcing yourselves into White societies. You come here making use of White-created technology and use our White-created educational systems, yet insult and slander us.

    You, sir, are a hypocrite of the worst sort.

    Bon

  • An Indian

    To Bon, from the land of Babble,

    “Yes, that’s why Delta, Dell and United closed their call centers in India, because Indians are so competent.”

    And thats why NASA’s EMPGEN had to use an Indian brain ( Dr Kanna Rajan) to design the robotic vehicle which was successfully launched in their breakthrough Mars Rover Mission earlier last decade…and thats whythe top schools in America have Indian Deans / Presidents…from Havard, UCLA to Carnegie Mellon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Americans#Academic

    I guess, thats precisely why an Indian-American brain at Stanford – Dr Thomas Kailath is considered the world’s top expert in one of the most complex specializations of applied Mathematics – Linear Algebra. And thats why Indian American minds created some of the biggest technological breakthroughs in the world of the 21st century….Narender Singh ( Father of Fibre Optics), Vinod Dham ( Father of the Pentium chip processor), Arogyawami Paulraj – pioneer of a break through wireless technology known as MIMO (multiple input, multiple output) that dramatically increases performance of wireless systems. MIMO is now the core technology in latest WiFi and WIMAX systems…..there are so many more, I could keep naming, the kind of people you conveniently ignore. Now just for a moment imagine life without their inventions! Or maybe Indian Americans are the wealthiest ethnic groups outscoring even whites, simply because we for the most part are competent, correction : Highly competent and creative too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/world/americas/29iht-indians.3322280.html

    My oint which I will reiterate yet again is this. I don’t wish to put down or needlessly compare Indians vs whites the way you do. Its pointless, instead I suggest we could essentially join hands to collaborate in fighting our common enemies : Marxism, Socialism, Islam, Liberalism and Nationalism / Race Realism. I support Jared Taylor and I personally think he is a well educated articulate man. Like most Indians, I’m definately not anti-white,infact I am a realist…I grew up admiring white scientists, rock musicians, CEO’s and other such heroes. I believe every race has its ups and downs. I am all in support of whites having to nuture their own ethno-racial interests just as I would support the same for my own stock. We Asian Americans are not the typical “minority” group which thrives on welfare, white guilt, AA and blaming whitey for all faults. Thank you and Happy Easter!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Americans#Academic

  • An Indian

    “Its pointless, instead I suggest we could essentially join hands to collaborate in fighting our common enemies : Marxism, Socialism, Islam, Liberalism and Nationalism / Race Realism.”

    In response to the above post I had written, I need to make a correction. I meant Pseudo-Nationalism & phony Race Realism ( phony conservatives) who are in some ways even worse than the liberals both in my nation and yours. I am all for true nationalism and true race realism. Race, language, religion and borders is what defines a nation or a set of people. You make a fair point for not wanting too many Indians ( even if they’re smart and highly competent) in Europe just as I find white Protestant missionaries equally offending when they come to my country ( India) uninvited. Thanks!

  • Asatru

    “Funny that you’re speaking the language of my people, isn’t it? I am not writing this in Urdu or Sanskrit, and neither are you — those are not the languages of modern science or medicine are they? It is English. A language from a small band of White Europeans living on a small patch of land in the far, cold reaches of Northern Europe.”

    Bon, your point is moot here. An Indian could easily turn around and say that had it not been for Indians to invent numerals, decimals, fractions and the concept of zero….no worthwhile scientific or technological achievment would have taken place and none of us would be chatting online today! Besides, the Indian does have a point, he is all for self preservation and racial homogenity.

  • P Norman

    And, true to form, he made the fatal mistake of “apologizing” for his remarks and groveling in hopes he can “save” whatever he’s trying to save. That never works, and the good barrister should know this. Obviously, he doesn’t.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Bon, your point is moot here. An Indian could easily turn around and say that had it not been for Indians to invent numerals, decimals, fractions and the concept of zero….no worthwhile scientific or technological achievment would have taken place and none of us would be chatting online today! Besides, the Indian does have a point, he is all for self preservation and racial homogenity.

    Nonsense. And you know it. Open your eyes.

    Why do you think India is a Third World hell-hole and the US is not? The US was created by Whites, not Indians, not Asians. Whites. Got it. Let me repeat it for you again: The US was created by our people, Whites, for us Whites as a reflection of White DNA

    Soon it may be Hate Speech for me to even say or write that.

    Do you not see the utter hypocrisy of Indians from Third World Hell-holes barging into White societies to tell us, the creators of this First World Culture how stupid and oafish we are?

    Why cannot these “brilliant” Indians create a First World culture for themselves and their people? Indian is a reflection of Indian DNA. It is the society and culture they built for themselves as a reflection of their DNA — one mired in grinding poverty, disease and misery, unlike White societies.

    Do you want that here?

    The arrogant Indian above is only interested in preserving his own race, not mine, pretending, like you, that the world wouldn’t exist without “brilliant” Indians! He is jealous of what we have created for ourselves and insists that if it weren’t for his Third World people, and their “brilliance” none of what we Whites have created would exist! HA HA HA

    Do you understand that we Whites are systematically being eliminated in OUR OWN HOMELANDS by the likes of hypocrites like yourself? We are down to 8% of the world’s population and falling because jealous Indians and other non-Whites who cannot created their own First World countries for their own people are being allowed to push us aside and steal what we have created for ourselves — NOT FOR THEM.

    You’d better enjoy your Asatru while you can. Soon, “oafs” like you who believe in and practice any non- government sanctioned religion, like Islam or atheism, will be killed off by your “betters” such as the arrogant Indian above.

    Take a good look at India, its open sewers, its backwards, oppressive government, its disregard for human life. Then, take a good look at what is happening to Whites in England, SA, Australia, NZ and the US. Unfettered immigration, disparate birthrates and anti-White governments will turn us into India and spell our demise.

    This is the fate that awaits us Whites in our own homelands. Our future is one of genocide. Look at what is happening in SA if you don’t believe me, as the Western Press yawns at White torture-murders, slashings and rape-murders of women, children and little babies.

    There is a War on Whites as you and I have discussed before. This war is specifically directed at Whites ONLY and is being carried out by a carefully planned-out, systemically executed 50-year triangulation by the government, media and educational system.

    We are losing and they are winning–

    No thanks to useful idiots and running dogs like you.

    Bon

  • Asatru

    “Nonsense. And you know it. Open your eyes.”

    Oh, my eyes are wide open, are you sure yours are ? If logic seems like nonsense to you than I guess I’m better off not wasting my time on this forum tossing pearls to swine!

    “Why do you think India is a Third World hell-hole and the US is not? The US was created by Whites, not Indians, not Asians. Whites. Got it. Let me repeat it for you again: The US was created by our people, Whites, for us Whites as a reflection of White DNA”

    India maybe a third world hell hole but its economy is growing at a much faster rate than India, its space program was hugely successful in recent years even outscoring NASA…after all the Chandrayan discovered water on the moon which enabled NASA to carry out it’s research for Lunar exploration and they have come out with the most sophisticated Nuclear missile technology – BrahMos. Theres a lot more to the third world hell hole my friend.

    And, YES, as a white Caucasian, I’ve been there many times as a business enterpreuner. I own 3 software companies and have invested heavily in India, China, Singapore and Israel because I get some of the best scientific talent from there as opposed to the United States. And NO, this is NOT about cheap labor. While some rotten apples do exist there, for the most part I’m happy with the results that I get.

    “Soon it may be Hate Speech for me to even say or write that.”

    I’m all for free market, free speech and am a registered Republican. I consider myself a conservative. Neocon – Pro Business, Less Taxes and am opposed to welfare and AA. Thats one of the reasons I visit Amren – being a conservative site which welcomes everyone with varying degrees of conservative ideology.

    “Do you not see the utter hypocrisy of Indians from Third World Hell-holes barging into White societies to tell us, the creators of this First World Culture how stupid and oafish we are? ”

    I agree I’ve encountered my fair share of ingrates and hypocrites. But to be honest I find them in all races and societies. White liberals are great examples of the very point your talking about. However, many Indians I’ve encountered are honest, hardworking, creative and very intelligent. Most of all they seem to be pro-American and pro-conservative. I see no wrong in that, we need as many allies as we can.

    “Why cannot these “brilliant” Indians create a First World culture for themselves and their people? Indian is a reflection of Indian DNA. It is the society and culture they built for themselves as a reflection of their DNA — one mired in grinding poverty, disease and misery, unlike White societies.”

    Read your History book..India did have it’s golden era during the Bronze age and later during the Gupta dynasty just like China did during the Ming & Han dynasty. Greece has it’s golden era after the Iron age but today the great Greeks are nothing more than a sorry little nation drowning in debt near the brink of economic collapse much worse off than India and China. Bottom line- we all have our peaks and downfalls. The India a few decades from now would be quite different as compared to what the west would look like in the future.

    “The arrogant Indian above is only interested in preserving his own race, not mine, pretending, like you, that the world wouldn’t exist without “brilliant” Indians! He is jealous of what we have created for ourselves and insists that if it weren’t for his Third World people, and their “brilliance” none of what we Whites have created would exist! HA HA HA”

    Actually the “arrogant Indian” seemed to be quite an honest, friendly and sympathetic guy to the white cause. At least he refrained from using deplorable adjectives and name calling the way you do without even making a sound rational point.

    “Do you understand that we Whites are systematically being eliminated in OUR OWN HOMELANDS by the likes of hypocrites like yourself? We are down to 8% of the world’s population and falling because jealous Indians and other non-Whites who cannot created their own First World countries for their own people are being allowed to push us aside and steal what we have created for ourselves — NOT FOR THEM.”

    1. I am NOT a hypocrite, but a pragmatic individual. I’m sorry that I’m not one of those idealistic type of racialists who see supremacism and delusion of grandiosity in everything. I know our strong points and I’m proud of that..BUT, at the same time, I’m also aware that we seriously lack certain attributes today which has made our competitors far more successful and in all probability give them the edge to outscore us.

    2. Kindly spare me the profanity and insults. I’m highly educated and am a successful businessman. I am all for finding realistic solutions to problems rather than just sitting around wallowing in victimhood and false pride.

    3. Bon, if whites have fallen to just 8% of the world’s population…you seriously cannot blame non whites but whites themselves. Populations increase with increased birthrates and fertility rates. Explain using biological, physiological and anatomical concepts how Indians or Chinese are responsible in decreasing our fertility rates. Or it that we’ve become of materialistic and selfish that we’ve caused it to ourselves?

  • Gavroche

    36 — An Indian wrote at 3:33 AM on April 22: “We Asian Americans are not the typical “minority” group which thrives on welfare, white guilt, AA and blaming whitey for all faults”

    ___________________________________________________

    First of all, the term “Asian-American” has always and always will refer to East Asians in the US, regardless of India’s geographical location. There are millions of Slavic, Turkic and Arabic people who also live in Asia, and nobody thinks of them as “Asians” either. Moreover, the Chinese and Japanese would be the first ones to laugh at any Indian pretending to be part of the same “minority”…C’mon now !

    Second of all, Indians did not build the US, nor contributed anything significant to American culture. You can keep your handful of immigrant scientists. They’re not even a drop in the bucket compared to what all the European and White American scientists have achieved the last 200 years. You know like those little things you’re using to type your comments here called “electricity’, “computer” and “Internet”.

    Sorry, but the US doesn’t need any more Third World minorities like yours to aggravate its already failed multiculturalism. Especially when India still has people religiously bathing in rivers infested with sewage and human corpses.

    Build your own First World country before lecturing those who have already done so. Thanks !

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Actually the “arrogant Indian” seemed to be quite an honest, friendly and sympathetic guy to the white cause. At least he refrained from using deplorable adjectives and name calling the way you do without even making a sound rational point.

    Oh, You mean like this:

    Funny thing is many White American workers are even more incompetent than Indians in the call center.

    No, that’s not insulting given the call centers in India I listed above that have closed due to Indian incompetence and the hard empirical evidence of Indian-created India vs. White-created United States.

    Take one look at India — sewage mixed with drinking water? Dead bodies floating down the Ganges River? Do you think dead bodies regularly float down the Mississippi or Missouri Rivers? And and this Indian calls US incompetent? You gotta be kidding me! What is the excuse for living in such horrible conditions that they can’t clean up their drinking water?

    In the University, the Indian kids are so much smarter than white kids.

    Nope! NO arrogance or Indian superiority there!

    And, no, you’re quite correct! That statement is not condescending and insulting on a WN site. We should just “suck it up” shouldn’t we?

    Excepting a few, most 17-18 year old sophomores (Americans-yes whites included) are barely able to balance an equation in organic chemistry, neither are they competent to understand what valency to use for elements on the modern periodic table.

    Yes, such kind and friendly words! Such rationality! Yes, I do believe those superior Indians have so much to teach us — about poverty, filth, over-population and misery!

    No, those words are not insulting at all are they?

    And, certainly that does not rise to the level of insult to White Americans!

    My Chinese friend and myself ( East Indian) were not only the two toppers of our class but as Teacher Assistants ( TA’s) we had to teach those oafs how to use the correct valency on elements…something a 12 year old can do fluently back in India or East Asia.

    And, of course THAT is certainly “friendly and sympathetic” towards Whites. No insult there coming from a denizen of the Third Word who CHOSE to enter our White-created country and then come here and insult us? No condescension or hypocrisy there!

    He owes us White Americans no gratitude, does he; that we allowed him to enter the country we created for ourselves.

    It’s not arrogance or hypocrisy to demand entry into our White-created culture and then insult us?

    there are no shortage of morons here. From what I’d seen – plenty as compared to the new generation of Indians.

    Ah, yes, delightful! Definitely not deplorable not name calling, is it, calling us “morons” and “oafs?” Couldn’t be!

    That’s what we Whites deserve isn’t it? Being lectured by the Third World as to how stupid, moronic and oafish we are — while using OUR creations to insult us?

    Yes! Such sound rational points! He certainly (unlike me) refrained from calling us such things as “oafs” and “morons” words I used to describe him…..wait a minute….those are the things he used to describe US!

    But to you, those “deplorable” words are not insulting! (unlike the name I called him, “arrogant”, which he certainly is).

    Theres a lot more to the third world hell hole my friend.

    You can have it. Even the arrogant Indian Supremacist chose to leave his Third World paradise, didn’t he, barging his way into a White-created country?

    Why do you think that is? Why couldn’t he make it in his own country? Why did he choose to come here only to insult us?

    I stand by what I wrote above: He is arrogant and a supremacist. I at no time insulted Indian children or called Indians “morons” or “oafs.” Pointing our his hypocrisy is not name-calling.

    You write:

    Kindly spare me the profanity and insults.

    I do not use profanity, it is not allowed here. And, I should say the same to you as you hypocritically write this to me:

    If logic seems like nonsense to you than I guess I’m better off not wasting my time on this forum tossing pearls to swine!

    Kindly spare me the insults and demeaning comments.

    Whites have not done this to Whites.

    Look, you need to read up look a little deeper, you do not understand what is going on here in the US to Whites. We have a hostile, non-White elite that has triangulated against us Whites for 50+ years using the government, media and educational system to do so. We Whites are systematically locked out of colleges and universities, careers and promotions. If we speak out about what is happening to us, we risk our careers and reputations as we are automatically called Nazis and Haters.

    We cannot even have an AmRen conference any longer as our enemies threaten any hotel and its employees that deign to host a convention of White Nationalists. Yet LaRaza, NAACP and Asian organizations regularly meet and advocate in their own race-based interests, calling for “social justice” against Whites.

    Why is meeting in our own racial interests not allowed for Whites?

    Where do I seek redress for wrongs committed against Whites? The DOJ? Yeah, right.

    This hostile non-White elite has put its boot on our White necks, opened up the flood gates to the Third World and actively legislates against us. This is not in dispute. Again, this is not Whites doing this to other Whites.

    But here, anonymously if you will, behind five proxies, I will not let pass non-White supremacists from the Third World who hypocritically come here to make use of what WE Whites have created, only to degrade, debase and abuse Whites. It’s bad enough we Whites have to listen to it 24/7 from the media and government.

    Insulting, demeaning and degrading Whites is exactly what the arrogant, hypocritical Indian did in his first post.

    And, that is the point of my posts here, to counter his hypocrisy, and now yours as well.

    Bon

  • An Indian

    Gavroche wrote:

    “First of all, the term “Asian-American” has always and always will refer to East Asians in the US, regardless of India’s geographical location. There are millions of Slavic, Turkic and Arabic people who also live in Asia, and nobody thinks of them as “Asians” either. Moreover, the Chinese and Japanese would be the first ones to laugh at any Indian pretending to be part of the same “minority”…C’mon now !”

    Sorry, but, first of all Indians ARE Asian Americans. Even the Chinese and Japanese now that and NO, they don’t laugh at it anymore than they would laugh at our ridiculous post.

    Even officially, Indian Americans come under Asian American. Infact, after the Chinese and Filipino Americans, we are the third largest Asian American group. Maybe you need a Geography lesson 101.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American

    “Second of all, Indians did not build the US, nor contributed anything significant to American culture. You can keep your handful of immigrant scientists. They’re not even a drop in the bucket compared to what all the European and White American scientists have achieved the last 200 years. You know like those little things you’re using to type your comments here called “electricity’, “computer” and “Internet”.”

    Indian Americans may have played a small BUT significant part in building America in the 21 st century and yes it was much more than just a handful of scientists. From Nobel laureate Subramanyan Chandresekhar – one of NASA’s greatest Astrophysicists to discover Qasars and black holes and advancing knowledge of stellar galaxies…to the pioneering of Quantum tables by Satendranath Bose….to revolution of sound systems by MIT prof Amar Gopal Bose ( founder of BOSE inc)….to all those CEO’s, Scientists, Hotel, motel and business owners who generate billions of $$$’s to the American economy although we’re a tiny microscopic minority in America. You need to than us, even if some of our fellow men back home maybe bathing in dirty rivers. India is still a creditor nation lie China whilst America is a nation in debt which has been borrowing money from “third world hellholes” lie China and India.

    FYI, In 2002 just motel and hotel owners alone ( leave alone all the medical doctors, owners of hospitals, clinics, industries, companies, small business owners etc) generated more than 88 billion dollars to the US economy. Imagine how much that number would have increased today ( 2011) plus if you were to add the other business interests owned by Indian Americans that figure would increase even much more. And guess what, we’re just 0.43% of the US population.

    Fact: We have contributed much more to the United States and we have earned that right to be here and yes if we’re successful we have earned that right to “arrogantly” declare so. As a community we’ve surpassed white America in both wealth and educational status.

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html

    Oh and we’re building our nation…..its got the 2nd fastest growing economy again outscoring the US and Europe. Plus our education, space program, computer-hi tech, defence technology is increasing. In time you will see India as the next superpower along with China.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54m1brzg9vs&p=AB6D7E65FADC698A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0p3HKv0wNU&p=AB6D7E65FADC698A

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Fact: We have contributed much more to the United States and we have earned that right to be here.

    You have not earned the right to be here. You have no idea what is happening to Whites in the US.

    You are being used, you are part of a plan put in motion by a hostile, non-White US government to genocide us Whites. You were welcomed here by “our” government (an anti-White government), not us, to displace us. That is why you are here. They care nothing for you; their primary goal is our elimination.

    That’s what this is about. White elimination. And you are playing a role in this.

    Already in SA, the government and country have been handed over to hostile blacks. Whites there are being systematically slaughtered by blacks, in the country they built, while the Western press looks the other way. This is happening and will happen to Whites everywhere, even in places like England where Whites have lived for 10,000+ years. We are being overwhelmed and flooded by poor, destitute non-Whites. 90% of all immigration to the US is non-White.

    This is being done on purpose, and it is directed solely at us Whites.

    About this, make no mistake.

    It is only in White countries such as the US, Canada, SA, NZ and Europe that this nonwhite elite demand we accept multiculturalism and diversity. The purpose of this is to destroy us. Non-Whites are allowed and even encouraged to celebrate their heritage, holidays and languages while we are denied this privilege, remanded to kow-tow and bow down to foreign cultures in our own homeland.

    We are also being forced to pay for our own displacement, forced to support massive numbers of life-long, multi-generation welfare recipients in perpetuity, those who are out-breeding us as well. We are forced to limit the size of our families due to progressive taxation, while they have as many children as they want, all paid for and educated by us via government fiat. We are forced to accept H-1B visas as Gates cries to congress about not being able to find enough IT employees in the US.

    This is a lie as Rob Sanchez has repteadly pointed out on VDare.com:

    It is whites and only whites that are fighting this battle, not you, fighting a media, government and educational system that mocks, debases and denigrates us.

    I do not enjoy watching the demise of my people as I’m sure you wouldn’t enjoy watching a war on your people. I do not enjoy living in a PC Reign of Terror that is directed solely at us Whites, to the point where we cannot even advocate for ourselves. How is that fair?

    Distressed populations do not reproduce, and we Whites are a distressed population.

    That Whites numbers are disappearing everywhere is not in dispute. Wanting to preserve my people, my DNA, not wanting to be displaced, discriminated against and eventually “genocided” against is not arrogance.

    We are trying to survive in a country where the government, media and educational system despise us. Soon, we will have no homelands left.

    We will be gone soon from the world.

    Now do you get it?

    Bon

  • Asatru

    Bon, yet again, you have not answered any of my valid points. Instead, you resorted to using expletives, inflammatory adjectives and insults to posters on this forum including your’s truly. Heres a thought, maybe you could learn from the Indian poster to :

    1.Be more objective and rational instead of subjective & delusional. Your posts reek of delusions of grandiosity and paranoia. You went so far as to actually blame Asians for the falling fertility rates amongst white Caucasians, yeah – like some Indian or Chinese just crawled into all white ovaries and caused a mishap! Roll eyes.

    2. Fortify your posts with facts and references without resorting to the futility of supremacist false propaganda. Jared Taylor is by no means a supremacist, like me, he is a race realist and pragmatist who simply wants to preserve his race without needless discord amongst our fellow humans.

    3. Stop making such boring lengthy posts which almost lack any proper content. Honestly, as a businessman I don’t have that privilege or time to go thru’ them all.

    Have a nice day!

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Bon, yet again, you have not answered any of my valid points.

    Yes, it is I.

    And I see you’re back as well.

    Which valid points? Be specific and I’ll address them.

    Instead, you resorted to using expletives, inflammatory adjectives and insults to posters on this forum including your’s truly. Heres a thought, maybe you could learn from the Indian poster to.

    Not that you didn’t call me “swine” or anything of the sort, right?

    Exactly which expletives did I use? Inflammatory adjectives?

    Here is AmRen’s verbatim posting policy:

    we will not post comments that include obscenities or insults,

    Tell the moderator to ban me from this site!

    You are not the arbiter of this site; you do not have the right to tell me what I can/can’t post. There is a censorship policy here and I obviously have not violated it as my posts on this thread continue to be published.

    You went so far as to actually blame Asians for the falling fertility rates amongst white Caucasians.

    You are wrong.

    Where exactly did I state that Asians as the cause of falling White fertility rates?

    Fortify your posts with facts and references without resorting to the futility of supremacist false propaganda.

    Just like what you’re doing? Presenting (cough!!) facts and references?

    Exactly which “supremacist false propaganda” did I use? Instead of innuendo how about being specific, which I always try to be in my posts.

    Point out specifically where I’m wrong. Specifically!

    Jared Taylor is by no means a supremacist, like me, he is a race realist and pragmatist who simply wants to preserve his race without needless discord amongst our fellow humans.

    Yeah, tell that to Jared’s enemies, the ones that close down his conferences with threats. Do you understand what we are up against? It appears you don’t.

    Trying to preserve my race in the face of White genocide is “supremacist propaganda”? Not being concerned as the Third World floods into my country is OK?

    Stop making such boring lengthy posts which almost lack any proper content. Honestly, as a businessman I don’t have that privilege or time to go thru’ them all.

    Then don’t read my posts. Skip them. You believe I am irrelevant, but no one else here has ever attacked me as you do.

    You keep repeating that you are a businessman.

    Am I supposed to be impressed by this? Do you believe this give you some kind of authority over me?

    AmRen believes in debate, you do not. You seem to want to shut down me down because I do not share your beliefs; advising me how to write my commentary while not following your own advice.

    Have a nice day!

    Same To You! And All the Best!

    Bon

  • Courtney from Alabama

    I am following this conversation and the only person who seems to know what they are talking about is Bon. This website has been infiltrated by trolls lately, and I am noticing the attacks are becoming more and more prominent , and usually directed at female posters such as myself and Bon who seem to be among the most realistic on here about defending our race.

    I read some of the posts above directed at her, and as usual, it is the same propaganda used to diminish the achievements of whites. One poster above mentions the recent event involving Indians “discovering” water on the moon. Well, as usual, whenever a story like that comes out, I do my own research and find that it was hardly achieved by Indians mostly. Most of the equipment was provided by NASA or by the European Space Agency. Either that or India had a lot of help. It is the same thing over and over again when a news story breaks out about ANY Indian achievement.

    The white people above defending “An Indian” must be unaware of the propaganda used in the media today to prop up places like India and degrade white nations like the USA. And , once again, I see far too many generalizations and whoppers above. One poster says India is in far better shape than Greece. Really? What are you going by there? I have yet to see Greece listed as a Third World country. Another poster above chooses to group India along with China as two countries that are crediting America. Really? India can’t even afford to be a creditor to the United States. Not to mention the fact that within two seconds I can do a Google search finding countless websites on which even Indians themselves laugh at this idea of India being a future super power. Give me a break.

    I also don’t understand the lecturing above directed at Bon in regards to her use of language. Who started this exactly? I read “An Indian”‘s first post, and I was blown away by the rudeness and arrogance. How was Bon supposed to respond?

    To sum it up, the fact of the matter is that no other race compares to whites in scientific achievements in all of history. If you are ashamed of that then perhaps you need to find another website instead of harrassing a well meaning poster like Bon who is doing her part to help our race. That is more than I can say for certain other whites posting above.

  • Asatru

    Courtney, if there are some Indians who laugh at the idea of it being a super power ( which it will in a few decades), then I can easily google search many more websites in 2 seconds which show Euro-Americans laughing off America as a joke! Also, Greece’s debt is far greater than it’s GDP, wheras India is the 4th biggest economy in the world ( GDP-PPP) & is the 2nd fastest growing economy thus making India far more favorable than Greece and most of Europe. You make the common error of judging the nation by the superficial layer of its dirty streets and mal infrastructure. Theres a lot more to India than the negative stereotypes. Its like an Iceberg, the surface ( ugliness) hides the immense beauty and success beneath. It has a larger middle class than the entire population of the United States and has invested more in Gold & Silver per capita by it’s citizens than another nation in the west. This means when the next economic crisis occurs, they will end up as one of the biggest winners. Well my investments are paying me huge dividends and I think I owe it to my Indian think tank, engineers and staff. Btw, the wealthiest man in America – Warren Buffet’s next successor is the Indian American Ajit Jain – because the man is a genius and like most Indians, he is adroit in Science, business and administration skills to churn out huge profits.