The Case Against Reparations

Michael Levin, American Renaissance, May 2002

The events of Sept. 11 temporarily pushed reparations for slavery back from their position halfway into the mainstream. At a time of national crisis it would have seemed piggish to demand even justified entitlements. Still, reparations were hardly gone for good, and as normalcy returns, blacks and their allies are renewing their demands for vast sums to compensate for misdeeds real and imaginary. In March, chairman of the US Commission on Civil Rights, Mary Francis Berry, said reparations are the “unfinished business of the civil rights movement,” and even the New York City Council recently voted to “study” the reparations question. Blacks will soon be back demanding payment, and whites must be prepared to respond.

To be sure, to judge from polls, most whites oppose reparations. But they must oppose them for the right reasons, not because they are inopportune or overblown, but because they are an outrageous expression of ingratitude and gall. Unless whites can articulate the right case against reparations, they will end up watching in bewildered impotence the adoption of measures they know to be wrong, just as they did in the case of affirmative action.

Replies to the demand for reparations may be graded by their power to shock. Some might be heard on 60 Minutes, some would raise eyebrows, and others would call down execration as racist. Unfortunately, all the publicly permitted arguments concede too much, which means only the forbidden ones are worth raising.

Let us divide objections into the polite, the impolite, the rude and the shocking. The commonest polite argument is that reparations would cost too much — a sound enough point as far as it goes, given the rapacity of the civil rights lobby. Some claimants put the debt to American and African blacks at several trillion dollars. One ever-handy yardstick that yields these remarkable figures are race differences in economic outcomes — there are many — which are automatically ascribed to “discrimination” rather than differences in ability. Thus Ebony bases reparations on “A study out of the University of California at Berkeley [that] showed that the value of the income lost as a consequence of racial discrimination between 1929 and 1969 alone comes to about $1.6 trillion.” (Whites of course beg for such finger-pointing by obsessively rehearsing their past sins.) A second type of estimate looks to precedents, notably the $20,000 paid by the US government to each Japanese relocated during the Second World War. That amount paid to 40 million blacks — and they would certainly want far more — would come to $800 billion. Similar calculations cite German payments to Jewish Holocaust survivors, whose dominance in the victim sweepstakes irks many blacks greatly.

A third formula treats the average price of a slave 200 years ago — about $14,000 in current dollars — as stolen human capital on which interest has steadily been compounding. Given a modest three percent average annual interest rate corresponding to economic growth — in this one case reparationists will doubtless be generous in their estimates of the productive capacity of capitalism — each slave’s estate is $2.8 million short. For every million Africans enslaved, their current descendents are thereby collectively owed $2.8 trillion.

The alleged debt to the continent of Africa runs higher still, and must cover not only the labor of an estimated fifteen to a wildly exaggerated one hundred million abductees, but the removal of natural resources. People making this calculation never mention the involvement of Africans in the slave trade who, to be consistent, should also be asked to pay, or the fact that natural resources like oil and diamonds were of no use to Africans and could not be extracted by technology indigenous to Africa. Notwithstanding these objections, white depredations are said to have cost Africa $7 trillion, for a total bill typically greater than $10 trillion.

Bear in mind that all the goods produced in the US last year were worth roughly $9 trillion, which in turn represented nearly one fourth of total world output. Reparationists thus in effect demand that American whites work solely for blacks for a year or more, or that the whole white race carry that burden for a good part of a year. My wife once proposed this bargain: Whites should give blacks a large lump sum in exchange for a promise never to ask for more or say one more word about whites, racism, slavery or all the rest. I explain below why the black end of this deal would be hard to keep, and anyway no society could survive the diversion of so much energy at one go.

Of course, to object to reparations only because of the cost prompts an obvious question: What if whites could afford it? If whites insist on citing poverty as their excuse, then if future productivity some day makes it possible to pay, pay they must. To plead only poverty admits the debt, and once the reparations principle is granted, all that remains to be discussed is the payment schedule. Perhaps each white could work for blacks two weeks annually for 25 years, in shifts so as to minimize the economic shock. Perhaps blacks could be exempted from taxation for a few centuries. Clearly, whites simply disarm themselves by whining that they are short on cash, although respectable white opinion may be counted on to fall into this trap, for fear of saying anything more offensive. We had better turn to less polite objections.

Under this heading fall requests for specifics where reparationists are vague — chiefly about who is going to pay, and for what. Is it to be the federal government, state governments, corporations, individuals, or someone else? There are vast problems with assessing individuals, particularly those whose ancestors owned no slaves. How have blacks been harmed by a New Englander whose family had always promoted “civil rights,” or by anyone whose grandparents didn’t come to America until 1930?

It is impossible to calculate the gains even of indirect beneficiaries of slavery. Take a man whose great-grandfather clerked in a store that sold shirts made with cotton harvested by slaves; surely he owes less than descendents of the people who owned the slaves, but how much less? Suppose it were somehow determined that half of great-grandpa’s salary was tainted by slavery, but that wise investments increased his wealth twenty-fold. Do his heirs owe half their holdings to blacks, or just one-fortieth?

Reparationists must answer these difficult questions because the damages they demand are compensatory, not punitive. Slaveholders and other wrongdoers are no longer alive to be punished; a present-day white, having harmed no one, owes at most what he has gained from wrongs done by others, so tallying his debt demands detailed knowledge of what he actually gained. No one has this information, and the further in the past the wrongs were done, the less accessible it becomes.

Because individual fault is incalculable, reparationists tend to look to “government” to pay. But which government(s)? The states seem the natural targets, since their laws regulated slavery and, subsequently, segregation. Indeed, the federal government ended slavery, overrode state segregation, and eventually came to require favoritism for blacks, so it hardly seems fair to foist a bill for damages on the party that tried hardest to stop them. To be sure there were federal fugitive slave laws, and the federal judiciary upheld slavery in Dred Scott. Still, on balance, the national government was instrumental in relieving the conditions reparationists decry. But if the states are to pay, then which states? Surely not those that banned slavery or entered the Union after it ended. (Further complications are raised by territories that became states: Are states responsible for their territorial history, or are they new entities? Reparationists must make this clear.) The best candidates are the members of the old Confederacy, but, apart from the shallowness of their pockets, once again, many of their current residents — the taxpayers who would foot the bill — have no connection to past wrongs. For these reasons, one may expect the claimants to discover sooner or later that the debt is a “national” problem, which “all Americans” have to solve together.

But however the scope issue is resolved, there is a second: Is a government — local, state or federal — responsible only for what it does, or also for what it merely permits by failing to outlaw? The distinction is important because most of the practices for which repayment is demanded, particularly slavery and discrimination in jobs and housing, were private. Antebellum governments neither owned slaves nor forced anyone to buy them; they simply allowed ownership. Likewise, while some states did segregate some of their own institutions (schools, for example) and require some private segregation (on trains, for example) much of the discrimination reparationists complain of was undertaken by private individuals using their property in ways consistent with but not required by law.

One might defend a wider view of government responsibility on the grounds that government must protect rights actively, not only by respecting them itself but by preventing others from breaching them. There is something to the idea that permitting great wrongs is state negligence, but it can be taken too far.

To begin with, there is a general presumption against post facto judgment. Normally, no entity is held to account for something that was legal when it was done, as were slavery and discrimination. What would reparationists say if states a century from now were fined for once having allowed private corporations to discriminate against whites via quotas? Likewise, if blacks are entitled to post facto compensation for acts that were legal when committed, why not everyone else? Should women sue because, in the past, they could not vote? Should workers sue because their ancestors had to work more than 40 hours a week and did not get maternity leave?

Even waiving the general case against post facto guilt, not every private misdeed can be laid at the feet of government: Vandals, not the city, are responsible for defacing a neighbor’s wall, although stationing police on every corner would have stopped them. A line must be drawn somewhere, beyond which governments are innocent of the abuses of the freedoms they allow.

Finally, even if states are held to absurdly strict standards today for what happened in the past, they may still be innocent of many acts for which they are retrospectively scolded, because these acts themselves were innocent. Slavery, discrimination in jobs, housing and service, and social stigma are usually lumped together in one ugly pile to which “government” turned a blind eye, but they are quite different. Slavery does infringe rights that any government should protect (although, to repeat, back pay for manumitted slaves would be owed only by former owners). But it is hard to see the right violated by, say, refusing to hire blacks. An employer’s hiring choices are covered by his right to free association. The blacks he refuses to hire are no worse off than they would have been had he never existed, so how does he harm them? Since laws against private discrimination may well themselves be wrong, governments were hardly to blame for not passing them sooner.

Still another precept reparationists ignore is that not every beneficiary of an injury must help repair the victim. Let us grant for now — lest we be rude — that today’s whites are richer than today’s blacks because of slavery. It still does not follow that all of today’s whites owe today’s blacks anything. Suppose Smith and Jones own the only two restaurants in town; a firebug burns down Smith’s place, causing Jones’s business to improve. So long as Jones had no hand in the arson, he owes Smith nothing. The recent terrorist attack on New York prompted some businesses to move to New Jersey, yet no one thinks New Jersey owes New York reparations even though New Jersey is now richer. As far as Jones is concerned, Smith’s fire might as well have been a kitchen accident. Note that the arsonist’s motives do not matter: Whether he did it from psychosis, a desire for gain, admiration of Jones, hatred of Smith, or hatred of Smith’s race, Jones is not guilty. Assuming that contemporary whites have benefited from racial wrongs, white beneficiaries, to be liable, must have abetted these wrongs, failed to stop them, or at least culpably ignored them. It is impossible to show this since the disputed wrongs, particularly slavery, took place before any whites living today were born.

A propos whites’ supposed enjoyment of the un-or undercompensated fruits of black labor, reparationists frequently claim that “blacks built America.” This is patently untrue. At no time have blacks been a substantial part of the US population, and until the Second World War they lived largely in the rural South; they were a part of southern agriculture but played virtually no role in the development of the large cities, industrial complexes, universities and public projects that support American prosperity. In fact, it is precisely those parts of the country with the largest proportion of blacks that have traditionally been the poorest, which is the reverse of what we would expect if blacks were the source of American prosperity. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand were English colonies that developed during the same period as the United States. If slavery was the basis of American prosperity, how did these countries achieve comparable levels of prosperity without it? Blacks did not contribute significantly to science, medicine or technology. America would have been different without blacks, but not poorer.

There is a final point about compensatory justice that sounds abstruse but is worth mentioning. If not for slavery, blacks living in America today, the ones who supposedly deserve reparations, would not exist. Their great-great-grandparents would never have met, and they would never have been born. It is obvious that a person cannot be harmed by an action that accounts for his existence. You harm Smith by making him worse off than he would have been had you not done whatever you did; if what you did helped bring Smith into existence (for instance if it involved introducing his parents to each other), he can hardly say he would have been better off if you had not done it, since in that case there would have been no Smith at all. (This is why “wrongful birth” suits brought by unhappy children against their parents seem ludicrous.) A committed black reparationist might say his life in America is so dreadful he would prefer never to have been born at all, but otherwise he has no reply.

Aside from these historical and philosophical points, the demand for payments to blacks calls to mind a larger issue that arose about quotas: It seemed unfair to pass over young whites in favor of less-qualified blacks who allegedly would have been more qualified in a just world, when the whites were not themselves to blame for the black’s substandard abilities. Indeed the whole reparations debate recapitulates the affirmative action debate. And this leads to rude questions: Weren’t quotas supposed to be reparations? Didn’t Jimmy Carter call affirmative action “compensatory discrimination” back in 1975? Wasn’t that what quotas were all about? Didn’t we have this conversation almost forty years ago?

Reparationists suffer from convenient historical myopia. Compare these words of Lyndon Johnson in 1964 …

You do not take a person who has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race and then say: ‘You are free to compete with all the others

…with these of Randall Robinson in 2000:

No nation can enslave a group of people for hundreds of years, set them free — bedraggled and penniless — pit them, without assistance, in a hostile environment against privileged victimizers, and then reasonably expect the gap between the heirs of the two groups to narrow.

Verbosity aside, Mr. Robinson’s metaphor is the same. Affirmative action was to make blacks whole by restoring the position they should have had at life’s starting line — just what reparations are supposed to do now.

Because quotas became the order of the day, blacks have largely gotten whatever compensation they might have been owed. Peter Brimelow, writing in Forbes on Feb. 15, 1993, estimated that by the early 1990s racial preferences cost $350 billion a year, and they have no doubt become more expensive with further entrenchment. Some portion of this cost is the sheer inefficiency of finding, training and tolerating the errors of inept blacks, but much income is transferred. For instance, there are more than one million blacks enrolled in American colleges, and to judge by data that have emerged from reverse discrimination cases at the University of Texas, the University of Michigan, and elsewhere, virtually all black students hold places that were denied to abler whites. In this way, the life prospects of whites forced to attend inferior institutions have been exchanged for those of the blacks admitted ahead of them (although one must adjust for the probable failure of blacks to exploit these opportunities as well as the abler whites would have). Giving a black a better job than any equally-qualified white could obtain has a similar effect. Reasonable assumptions about the value of a college degree and the relative value of degrees from more and less prestigious institutions suggest that quotas could be transferring as much as billions of dollars annually. There have been quotas for more than thirty years, so if estimates of the cost of affirmative action are correct, it has already accounted for a good chunk of any reparations that might be owed.

Growing ruder still, one may also subtract from any debt the cost to whites of black crime. Blacks commit about two thirds of all robberies in the US — half of which, or about 300,000 at current rates — victimize whites (white-on-black crime is rare). These crimes give blacks resources properly belonging to whites. Blacks commit felonies of all kinds at three to ten times the white rate, and even when their victims are not white, their crimes are a burden that would be considerably lighter in an all-white society.

Public relief or “welfare” can be seen in the same light. Blacks fall below the threshold that triggers it three to four times more often than whites. White taxpayers therefore give blacks tens of billions of dollars every year; in my book Why Race Matters I note that black slums receive a “Marshal Plan” about once every three years, a rate that every few decades amounts to another trillion dollars. For reasons explained below, however, the case for counting this expenditure as paying off “debt” is more complex than I earlier thought.

First, though, we should deal with a bad reason for arguing that welfare and robbery are not forms of redress, namely that they were never intended as such. This is true, but insofar as they shrink the gap between whatever blacks presumably deserve and what they actually have, they tend to balance the scales of justice. Suppose I smash your Ming vase. Soon after, but out of generosity rather than a desire to make you whole, I give you an equally valuable Ming vase for your birthday. Surely you could not demand another one, on the grounds that I still hadn’t paid for the one I broke. This resolution of my debt may be emotionally unsatisfying, since the thought counts in personal relations, and you would like an admission of fault; nonetheless, I owe you nothing more. You are as you were at the outset, and I am relieved of any debt.

There is a difficulty, however, in describing welfare as compensation. One might argue, for example, that once society decides (perhaps unwisely) that everyone deserves an education, and thereupon creates public schools, education ceases to be a gift to those who could not otherwise afford it. Given a right to education, American blacks deserve it independently of any debt or of the fact that they come from societies unable to provide public education.

Likewise for welfare: By promising (perhaps unwisely) to help any citizen in danger of starving, our largely white society obligates itself to help blacks disproportionately if disproportionately more blacks need help. On the other hand, white society is certainly not obliged to create a legal right to welfare for anybody so the creation of universal legal welfare entitlements may still be thought of as indirect debt-canceling gifts to blacks. And whatever the rights of the case, reparationists should have the decency to acknowledge the great luck of American blacks to be living among inventive, productive whites. At the least, it is incumbent on reparationists to make the case that welfare isn’t a counterweight to slavery, and this they have never done.

Although rude, these reminders of the obscurity of who did what to whom, the difference between good luck and compensatory liability, and the flow of wealth from whites to blacks — even the fact that today’s blacks wouldn’t exist but for slavery, a fact somebody is sure to find “insensitive” — are likely to fall on deaf ears. Reparations, as noted, cover the same ground as quotas and racial preferences, and none of the arguments so far raised, apt though they were and remain, has had the appropriate impact. Why? Because they seem mere quibbles in the face of stark, overwhelming race difference in wealth. Blacks here and in Africa are so thoroughly behind whites anywhere that there must be a reason, and what can that reason be but white theft? So many people find this inference obvious — or say they do — that the fact of white guilt usually goes without saying. And once white guilt is assumed, the only open question is how whites should expunge it — via quotas, monetary payments or both.

The Essential Question of IQ

The issue of black poverty must be faced squarely, for given whites’ strong sense of duty, no subtleties about fault or responsibility will save whites from themselves if they believe themselves to be in the wrong. Hence the need to shock, by bringing up the race differences that were likewise verboten in the quota debate. We must make it clear that blacks are known to be on average less intelligent than whites, and that this almost certainly explains why they are on average poorer. As Richard Lynn has recently documented in IQ and The Wealth of Nations,national wealth tracks national IQ just as individual wealth tracks individual IQ. There is no mystery here. Things people want sometimes occur naturally, but most wealth is created by transforming nature. The ability to transform nature requires insight into how it works, and a higher IQ affords greater insight. That is why whites’ higher IQs allow them to produce a greater quantity and variety of more desirable things.

As all AR readers know, the evidence is now overwhelming that racial IQ differences are primarily genetic in origin. Even people who don’t read AR have an uneasy sense of this. The key point is to bring this fact to bear on the reparations debate. This is why David Horowitz’s celebrated anti-reparations ad, trenchant enough to rouse the left on campuses everywhere, did not go far enough because it failed to mention biological race differences. Reparationists will continue to wave the bloody shirt of poverty, presenting whites with a stark intellectual choice: Agree that black poverty is caused by white sin (and pay up), or find a better explanation. Biology is the better explanation, and whites must learn to deploy it without hesitation.

That whites will do anything to deny home truths about race is not news. But I believe that a desire to avoid these same truths about race difference also plays an important but ill-understood role in the minds of reparationists themselves, who will be misunderstood if glibly dismissed as mere “racial racketeers.”

I suspect reparationists and other racial partisans invert the order of injury and compensation so as to avoid accepting responsibility for their own failings. In the real world injury is the basis, the cause, of liability. B hurts A; as a consequence B owes A compensation. Now imagine long-suffering Jones in an ambiguous situation. He is not doing well. He is not sure why, but he fears the cause may be an intrinsic defect. In this state of mind he may try to shift the blame, and claim someone owes him reparations as evidence that he was harmed, and therefore not defective. He reasons: “I’m owed compensation, so someone must have hurt me; my sorry state is someone else’s fault, so I’m OK.” I suggest this may be the mechanism behind the odd intensification of blacks demands in the face of constant white concessions. To avoid the unpleasant conclusion that there is something wrong with them, blacks keep convincing themselves their failures are someone else’s fault; and to convince themselves their failures are someone else’s fault, they convince themselves that someone owes them compensation for past wrongs.

This is why concessions are never enough. If every racial claim were met and every grievance were satisfied, what excuse would black apologists have for the fact that blacks still did not do as was well as whites? Unpleasant conclusions about inferior abilities would be unavoidable. To allay this fearful possibility, racial apologists invent ever-new grievances, ever-new unmet claims, whose existence proves that the plight of blacks is due to the wickedness of others and cannot be due to internal defects.

This is why the facts about race and IQ must be part of the reparations debate. Until whites are prepared to make tough arguments about IQ, they will not fully convince either themselves or the reparationists that blacks have no claim on them. Ironically, an open airing of the IQ question would be an essential part of any decision to pay reparations, because no level of payments will eliminate black/white differences in outcomes. Even if whites handed over trillions of dollars in the name of compensation, the mechanism I have described — the need to blame whites for black failure — would bring blacks back to the table with yet more unmet grievances and unpaid debts. This process will not end until enough people of both races recognize the biological basis for racial differences in achievement.

The demand for reparations is only the latest hedge. Opposition to it will be ineffective unless it takes into account the powerful symbolic and rationalizing purpose of all black demands on white society.


New Wrinkle to the Shakedown

Blacks have thought of a new approach to reparations, and are suing companies that did not even own slaves but may have profited in some way from the existence of slavery. In March, black activist Deadria Farmer-Paellmann brought a class action suit in a Brooklyn federal court naming three defendants — Aetna Inc., CSX Corp. and FleetBoston Financial — and promises to go after many more in the future.

Miss Farmer-Paellmann charges that one of the predecessor companies of Aetna, the largest insurer in the country, wrote policies on slaves against accidental death, just as it wrote policies on freemen. She says the profits from this business were immoral, and the successor company must pay punitive damages. The claims against the other companies are similar. FleetBoston is the successor to Providence Bank, founded by a Rhode Island businessman who reportedly trafficked in slaves. Providence Bank financed the slave-trading business and presumably profited from it. CSX, a railroad conglomerate that was established in 1980, had a predecessor company that reportedly used slaves to help build and perhaps run one of its rail lines. The company itself probably never owned slaves; it rented them from owners.

Although all the companies say the alleged wrongs took place so long ago they cannot be settled in court, Aetna announced in early March that it was considering making a public apology for insuring slaves, and might make restitution payments from the profits. Of all the reparationist charges, those against Aetna would appear to be the most preposterous. Slave owners took out insurance policies on people and property they valued: houses, cargo ships, and loved ones. Aetna was doing business with owners who were unlikely to mistreat the property whose value they clearly recognized.

If the three companies Miss Farmer-Paellmann has sued “profited from slavery,” it would probably be hard to find many that did not. Any company that manufactured anything used or consumed by slaves — clothes, tools, food, etc. — ”profited from slavery.” Printers who printed handbills for slave auctions, companies that provided transportation for slaves, doctors who treated them, publishers that printed books about slaves — all are guilty of the crime that actually motivates these suits: the crime of being white.

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  • Anonymous

    “One ever-handy yardstick that yields these remarkable figures are race differences in economic outcomes”

    Let’s use the difference between the average black in Africa as an indication of where they would have been, had slavery not intervened, and the average black in the US. Then let’s multiply that difference by the years between to estimate the amount that blacks should pay whites for the opportunity given to them.

  • cpascal

    If a slave cost $14,000 in today’s money, that’s further proof that very few white people owned slaves. If slavery was still legal, only a small number of people would be able to afford $14,000 to buy a slave, let alone the additional costs of housing and feeding the slave. The huge slave plantations must have been rare for that reason alone.

  • highduke

    You already paid your Blacks reparations for enslaving them by giving them Jesus Christ, civilizing them, teaching them agriculture, a now squandered work ethic, increasing their longevity with free health care, providing work for life, retirement care to the grave and a drug/alcohol-free environment. And that was just under Slavery. Then you taught them to read, sent them to school, taught them commerce, gave them food stamps and made them politicians, athletes & entertainers. It’s true

  • ProudtobeWhite

    When the historic cost to society of black crime; drugs; dumbed-down education; affirmative action; lost productivity; preferential treatment in college admissions, contracts, and jobs; violence; racial quotas; illegitimate births; section 8 housing; food stamps; welfare; murder, robbery, rape; rioting; mayhem; and general dysfuction are tallied up, I believe it is the black race that owes us, the Whites race, not the other way around…

    There can be no doubt that the introduction of Blacks has led to a reduction in the quality of life for Western Man.

  • white is right, black is whack

    Blacks are never satisfied. They scream racism as a means to get more money and power from whites. Plain and simple. “Reparations” Excuse me, black people. What do you call the billions that have been paid recently as ‘black farmers discrimination lawsuit’? What about the billions we’ve wasted on Section 8, welfare, blacks suing the government with ‘discrimination’ claims, corporations forking over millions everytime someone screams racism, all the black on white crimes, etc?

  • Anonymous

    The real problem with the reparations debate (problem for them, not us) is that it relies on a basic assumption that the US, not to mention the rest of the western world, has treated as the exact opposite, for the last several hundred years.

    Are blacks, of us, or are they not of us. Are they kith, kine and kindred, or are they strangers.

    Think about this. All welfare. All rights. Everything they have access to, relies on us assuming they are part of our society, and deserving of access to collective resources and a place and position in our lands.

    However, the concept of being “owed” something by a people, has, as an a priori assumption being a separate people.

    So which is it. Are they Americans or are they Blacks. If they are Blacks, perhaps they deserve their pound of flesh. And along with it, a giant boot out of our lands to anywhere else but here.

  • Anonymous

    If we didn’t agree to Mr. Levin’s cultural-genetic analysis of debt as a financial matter but a purely racial one, we would be given vastly more respect on the tribalist scale of “You and what army?”. Even by blacks.

    That said, if blacks want a trillion dollars, give it to them.

    Require that it be paid to _family_ groups of not less than 4 individuals. And make it 10 million per group.

    Then tell them that it is conditional upon their leaving this nation and never returning. Ever.

    Make sure that a line of whites is present, every day, at the international concourses at whatever airport is mandated as an exit point ‘to get your check’. And let them see the undisguised contempt we have for them.

    Alternatively, go for a barter trade in ‘equivalencies’. We will give you the East Coast as a black homeland. But you must consider all debts paid and you must take -every- black with you.

    Again, never to return.

    I would hurt, a lot, to lose the monuments in Washington D.C. and places like Boston and Philadelphia where so much of our history was made.

    But it would be worth it. And if you’ve been to these ‘wonderfully enriched’ cities, it is a fait d’accompli thing anyway.

    Again, make sure there is a long line of white Americans to stare with utter contempt and hatred as they leave.

    The real question would then come down to how we would compensate whites who had to leave their homes and jobs to give blacks their own place.

  • Anonymous

    If interstellar travel were possible; white people would make the ultimate white flight. After the civilization was established,all the hard work done and there was a thriving white human civilization on a different planet, blacks would demand their “fair share”.

    I totally agree that if paid reperations, they should agree to leave and never return. Of course that would be racist.

    With blacks you’re wrong if you do; wrong if you don’t and either way you go; you lose. Why bother trying anymore?

  • Memphomaniac

    I will agree to the very weak claim of reparations for the descendents of black slaves and former slaves……on the same day that each one of the supporters of reparations agree to the much stronger claim of compensation to the descendents of former owners of slaves for their loss of lawful property.

    The slaves were not unlawfully obtained and the human property was completely supported by the Federal Fugitive Slave Act. No law of the United States or any state prohibited the buying, selling, transporting, or act of ownership of said slaves, nor was any crime committed by the use of such slaves.

    The Constitution of the United States forbids the taking of private property without due compensation AND that compensation has been delayed an average of one hundred and fifty years, which would indicate the usual interest and penalty for delayed payment would also apply.

    No matter what is paid to the descendents of slaves and former slaves, the rights to compensation by the decendents of former slave owners is primary to the secondary claim of the former slaves. The claim of the former owners is against the United States Government, who deprived them of their lawful and legal property, and is not dependent on any correlary claim by the former slaves themselves, but since they (the black slaves) arrived in this country already as slaves, their claim would be against those who forced them into the state of slavery in their home countries of Africa and not against the United States Government. None of the former American slave owners enslaved any of their property, unless it can be shown otherwise, and therefore their payment for said slaves in an open market or auction was legal payment for property lawfully imported (and taxed) to the United States and consistent with the legal requirements in the individual states, which retain jurisdiction over these matters.

    Austin, Texas

  • Anonymous

    6 — Anonymous wrote at 5:28 PM on May 21

    Are blacks, of us, or are they not of us. Are they kith, kine and kindred, or are they strangers.


    Of course they are NOT one of us! Neither are Orientals, Mexicans, Arabs, etc. They are ALL strangers and aliens to OUR race. They can never be our kin, kindred. Just because some traitors allowed them access to our land and to be called “American” that will never make them one of us. Kindred=Race. This is exactly what the Founders said. OUR PROGENY means RACE.

  • shaunantijihad

    Just give them an amount of land mass in the deep south equivalent to their population percentage and build a giant wall around it. Because what happened in Rhodesia and S Africa will happen to you.

  • Bandmo

    And after that, the “ones” born next week, next month, next year next decade and on and on, also must be paid…How so stupid.

  • Frank

    Let us pay to all blacks who were slaves in 1865. Better yet, let us give all blacks who desire passage to Africa, wich is where they would be without slavery.

  • Svigor

    “Reparations,” lol, that old floater right over the plate.

    Any response to the Merry-Melodies-level-of-absurdity “reparations” nonsense should begin and end with this point:

    “Reparations” for blacks is the idea that blacks should be compensated for the best thing to ever happen to them.

    Sub-Saharan Africa is brimming with blacks who wish they could share in black “America’s” “misfortune.”

  • Cant Drive Motorcycles

    Since the slaves were provided with, and since everyone requires about the same quantity of necessities, the average inheritance of black children of sets of parents of legitimate family units and then divided by the number of bastards of their kind would be more realistic for example reparation for each black person than would wages not recieived plus interest.

  • diversity=adversity

    Segregarion was for hygenic reasons, as bathing was a luxury at the time. Blaxs took the seperate seating too personally (“because of what color I am”) and instead of wanting to be around their own, they seem to prefer the company of whites. I wonder why, would they not want to be among their own kind? Or was the complaining about how seperate seating made it harder to steal things from whites or pick pockets? Anyhow, we owe them no reparations they already have AA preference in welfare, college, and jobs. Enough already!

  • from the fork bayou

    All whites must begin preparations for the white flight to mars. You! Get on building rockets, you! Build The space busses, you! Build the atmosphere converters, you get the tools and supplies. LoL if only it was done as easily as it is said. I am loom knitting cotton yarn into hats, let me put that down for a sec and build a jet engine! LOL.

  • Steven

    At the heart of this issue is the question of fairness and honesty. That question could be summed up as “what do we as a nation owe the descendants of slaves for their ancestor’s lives and labor? – and what do we owe ourselves?” I would argue that we owe everyone nothing more than an acknowledgement of the contribution all of us made to our society. Any monetary adjustment would be fraught with issues of unfairness; why should a large portion of our society who arrived well after the abolition of slavery suffer any cost associated with reparation? why should only blacks receive reparations when most of our society can claim some sort of abuse? should those that receive reparations pay income tax on their benefits? etc.

    I think a more appropriate payment is a simple acknowledgement of the facts. Early White colonialists came to this country and were given large amounts of land, which they never payed for. In early 1700’s South Carolina for example, a white man simply applied for a land grant and was bequeathed 150 acres for every member of the family and a 150 acres more for every slave he owned. The stolen land was then worked by stolen labor. Of course the results were great profits which in turn created great wealth. And today we give ourselves a collective pat on the back through claims of superiority? Superior thieves I would suggest.

    At the end of slavery, our nation’s appetite for cheap labor grew even more immense. Enter European immigrants who were also enslaved, abused, subjugated and tossed out with the rest of the garbage. Do we owe them something? Well yes – again an acknowledgment of the truth – but nothing more.

    For all of us, whether white, black, brown or otherwise, it’s time to acknowledge that we have all been subject to a great hoax and that we all have claim to a common suffering at the hands of great thieves. Blacks are not responsible for the current Wall Street mess or the mortgage meltdown (which both are just another form of the same thievery thats is so much a part of our history) and Mexicans are not responsible for our jobs being shipped to China. Isn’t it time we woke up and realized our corrupt system was founded on fraudulent schemes and grand theft – and that same fraud is being perpetrated upon all of us until even today.

    So yes, I feel we owe blacks, whites, brown, and everyone else an acknowledgement of the truth – and then maybe we can get on with the business of living fairly and honestly.

  • Taenishia Thompson

    Black agricultural workers in the old south were provided direct compensation for their labor in the form of housing, clothes, bedding, food, medical care, job training and education, and booze for holidays and special events.

    Why is this compensation never mentioned?

  • blastedout

    Unless one realizes that reparations has nothing to do with justice, it’s based on hatred ,envy, spite, then we’re going to be arguing on a defensive footing and will likely lose arguments

    we should’ve won.

    Their hostility is based on the idea that whites & blacks are ultimately incompatible, thus you get statements from the 60’s black Communists about “the inevitable confrontation” .When i lived in Detroit i was told by college students ‘We’ll have a great city after we get rid of all you whites” Iof…you can now call Detorit a city

    currently , white people in the government and Democrat party are too stupid to see that the unwillingness of the obama adm, to prosecute black on white crime,as stated in the memo from eric holder ,in the aftermath of the black panther voter intimidation, is a de facto symptom of all -out war.

    Instead, simple-minded white people look upon it as overdue

    issue of class equality. “One death is a tragedy,but a milion deaths only an objective statistic

  • Anonymous

    The first Slaves in the American Colonies were from Scotland. They were followed by Slaves from Ireland and Wales, long before Blacks were brought from Africa.

    How about the signs in Shop windows that advertised, “Help Wanted-No Irish Need Apply”?

    What about the discrimination for the Italians, Polish, Germans, and the rest of the European peoples, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe? That was OK, they were just Whites being discriminated aginst, so who cares, right?

    It’s odd how the Liberal Yankee WASPs love to talk about Southern Slavery, and fighting a war to end that institution, but it was people from these other White ethnic groups, that, once they arrived here, were dragged into Mr. Lincoln’s Armies.

    These new European Immigrants believed the rhetoric about “Saving the Union”. What did they know about the issues they were fighting for?

    My ancestors were forced into that war, and I have yet to get one “Thank you” from any Black for my family freeing them. I won’t hold my breath while I wait for it.

  • white is right, black is whack

    What about the millions (possibly billions) paid out with the ‘black farmers discrimination suit’? Blacks want nothing but free money and privileges just for being black. For a strong race of people, they do nothing but whine, demand and have a chip on their shoulder. This is why most people don’t like them, along with the fact black males commit most of the violent crimes.

  • MissCarnivorous

    Think on this, most African-Americans are the actual descendents of evil white slave owners. Whilst most whites are not. The majority of whites are not directly related to anyone who owned slaves, but blacks are, so they should pay reparations to themselves and each other. It is not my fault that their ancestors were such bad people.