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Farming Jobs Being Picked Clean by U.S. Residents

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Anastasiya Bolton, KUSA-TV (Denver), June 23, 2009

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Farmers can use what’s called the H-2A program to recruit foreign workers to do temporary or seasonal work here in the U.S.

From July to September of 2008, there were 171 H2-A jobs posted. Thirty-nine Americans applied for those positions.

The very next quarter, in the final three months of 2008, 887 Americans applied for the 981 H-2A available. And as unemployment jumped at the beginning of 2009, so did applications from Americans; 1,799 applied for 726 jobs. That means instead of the jobs being filled by foreign or migrant workers, they are mostly going to U.S. residents.

“A lot of the American workers are now applying for farm jobs that maybe they may not have applied for in the past,” said Olga Ruiz, state monitor advocate with the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment. “People who started out in agriculture or even field labor who got out of that field maybe went into construction or other types of work, who maybe got laid off for whatever reason, decided they wanted to go back to farm work, because it’s a paycheck and they need it.”

Condon posted two farm hand positions on Craigslist in April. He said he had to turn people away. Thirty-eight people applied.

“We had people with doctorates, we had people with masters degrees we had people with all sorts of different career backgrounds,” he said. “Carpenters, people who’ve worked on farms in other countries, people who have managed museums, all sorts of things you would never suspect you would find on a farm labor application.”

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1 — Question Diversity wrote at 6:22 PM on June 26:

Now, think about this article when John McCain said a few years ago that no Americans would pick lettuce in southwestern Arizona for $50 an hour.

2 — Joe wrote at 7:12 PM on June 26:

100% of agricultural jobs could be filled by native born Americans if wages were increased. Labor is only a tiny percentage of the total cost of food and prices would not rise significantly if this were done.

3 — GA Peach wrote at 7:13 PM on June 26:

It’s about time that jobs are going to American’s first and foremost. I could understand if there was a legitimate need for foreign workers in some fields on a temporary basis only. However, when this is truly the case and there have been a few since the birth of this country than by all means use only temporary foreign workers, until the Americans are trained in that field. The foreign workers can only come, their family stays HOME in their country!

4 — John PM wrote at 7:50 PM on June 26:

Well, when you have people with doctorates and masters degrees applying for field labor jobs and getting turned away, there is something hideously wrong in Denmark. These fools, our so-called leaders, have sold us out for a bag of magic beans that they call “diversity,” and we citizens get all of its “rewards.”

We have truly entered this country’s Weimar period and things are not going to get better, for at least the next four or five years. What comes after that, I will not even begin to speculate about. But I will say this, I think we all have a pretty good idea that it will not be skipping around a maypole!

As always, God help us all!!!

5 — Bobby wrote at 8:53 PM on June 26:

“Farming jobs being picked clean by U.S. Residents”

My uncle bought a farm in Lancaster, California in the early sixties. He had made a small fortune in his machine shop, sub-contracting in aerospace products. But he became tired of the city and the daily grind. After putting in a water well, that cost sixteen thousand dollars in 1962 currency, he decided to grow alfalfa. He used modern tools and hired some of the local residents to occasionally help out. His son also helped, before he went off to the University. This was before the time of massive illegal immigration to California. All of the Americans he hired worked hard, as did my uncle. No one ever complained about the difficulty of the work or doing any kind of “stoop” labor that some elites later called, “jobs Americans won’t do.”

Aside from all of this, most Americans before WW2, lived on farms and did all of the work, that, again according to the elites in this nation, “americans won’t do”. Oh, how the American citizenry has been manipulated and abused for at least the last twenty years. Sometimes it is downright surreal what the public will acccept from its representatives. Now we have reached a stage where our industries have been sold off, jobs are simply outsourced and others insourced, and the American middle class has been abandoned by the business and political elite. Where we go from here, is anyones guess.

6 — Organized Activist wrote at 10:57 PM on June 26:

I would like to see the Kennedy family, the Bush family and that half White African American Attorney general (born and raised in Barbados) - I would love to see them working the fields and doing some honest work.

Honest work isn’t something to be ashamed of….

criminal, anti White PC, multi cult programs - yeah, be ashamed.

7 — Steve the Canadian wrote at 4:59 AM on June 27:

I remember in university I asked a blonde, White female student from Arizona what she thought of the illegal alien problem in the South-Western US. Perhaps not surprisingly, she actually began to defend the Hispanic invasion with fanatic zealousness. And - lo and behold - one of her arguments for the hispanic invasion was that Americans did not want to do menial tasks or manual labour such as farmwork. She then proceeded to pout like a spoilt child for the rest of the seminar. She was oblivious of the fact that SHE would be the type of person to suffer the most from this hostile racial invasion.

Funny that people with doctorates are applying to harvest crops… I guess her tired and insulting argument that “Americans just don’t want such and such jobs” is just a bad joke. People in university are very naïve about the true nature of the world. Sad.

8 — Anonymous wrote at 7:53 AM on June 27:

In the 1980s when I was a teen, I de-tassled corn in the summers. It was full-time work that paid minimum wage, which was something like $3/hour. Being one of the few females that was employed, I struggled to do just as well as the guys. I was exhausted at the end of the day and some nights I remember just lying on the floor trying to ease the ache in my back.

But it was rewarding work - impressing my dad that I could do it and didn’t quit the first day. Plus, the weekly paychecks wowed my friends who were making a little bit of money babysitting.

I take supreme offense when people say that Americans (code for “white people”) won’t do this type of work. If I lost my job and had to find work, I wouldn’t hesitate to do this type of work again.

9 — Wild Eyed Charlie wrote at 10:02 AM on June 27:

“And the peasant toils, so that all may eat.”

Literally, apparently. Is this what we will be reduced to? Our creativity, our ability to remake the world and to reach the stars stolen from us? Who will innovate? Who will advance our civilization? Will it be Juan, down in the barrio, when he’s not cutting the head off of a rival drug dealer? Or will it be Orangello LeShawn, when he’s not busy figuring out a way to use food stamps stolen in an auto burglary?

10 — mark wrote at 10:51 AM on June 27:

I agree with the Weimar comment.
The global warming bill cannot but add to the unemployment problem. The level of consumption will drop and depression will arrive full force.
I foresee China buying large tracts of USA land, especially farm belt land.Why wouldn’t they?
Back to serfdom.

11 — Tom Iron wrote at 7:42 PM on June 27:

Interesting comments. The thing that many of us don’t think about or understand is that we as Americans are the best workers the world has ever known. It’s part of the definition of American. Remember, our forebares tore this country out of a wilderness not too long ago. That idea is deep inside us. Of course, many people don’t want to do the work anymore, but when it comes right down to it, if an American has to do such hard work, he’ll work anyone else under the table, and I’m talking about the most effeminate hairdresser you can find. If he’s an American, he too has that spark as well. Somehow, it’s in us all.

Tom Iron…

12 — Anonymous wrote at 12:39 AM on June 28:

Post #1, Question Diversity, I would not only pick lettuce for $50.00 an hour, but I would wash it, and bag it for you,too.

Are you certain about the amount of $50.00? Or was this a typo, and really $5.00 an hour?

13 — Anonymous wrote at 1:35 AM on June 28:

I started my own Business when I was 12 years old, cutting lawns around my Neighborhood. I cut our lawn, so a Neighbor asked if I could help him out and do his, when he was away. I agreed. More Neighbors saw the work I did, and before you knew it, I was pushing my lawn mower all over Town.

I earned more money than my friends that had Paper Routes, and I was in charge. I not only cut grass, but I edged, trimmed, and shapped bushes, prunned trees, and occasionally dug out an old tree stump and its roots, all in 90 degree or better, Summer heat.

Through it all, I always tried to do a thorough job. And that’s what kept people coming to me, to take care of their lawns, and gardens, when they were away on vacation.

I can’t stand hearing some little runt like Robby Reich tell Congress, or the News Media that we need Illegal Aliens because Americans don’t want to do this work. Americans have always done this work, from Jamestown, and the Massachusets Bay Colony, to the Pioneers and Homesteaders of the American West.

Just because Rob Reich doesn’t want to get his delicate hands dirty, doesn’t mean that the rest of us are incapable of pulling our own weight, and doing the labor that is required.

When I think about it, Robert Reich, the Clintons, and Kennedys, among all the other Liberal Idiots, should be made to do some really hard labor, just to get the taste of top soil in their mouths. Personally, I don’t think any of them would last a day. All the more reason to push them harder in the fields.

But, when looking at the situation where those with Master’s Degrees, and Doctorates are applying for Farm work, you know the economy is in the tank.

Apparently, Americans are doing jobs that Americans used to do, while Illegal Aliens, and Affirmative Action Blacks do sub-Standard Construction work on Homes, Schools, and Buildings, becuse it is required by law to have so many sub-Standard Workers on the Job Site. All work that White Americans used to do, and do well.

American Computer Science Graduates, and Engineers are displaced, as Indians, and other Asians come to take the higher paying jobs that Americans used to do, too. Of course, most of these Foreigners will end up sending the bulk of their money back to their home Country, or relocating their families here, who in turn will take away more jobs from Qualified White Americans.

14 — Schoolteacher wrote at 2:37 AM on June 28:

Maybe these PhDs have just found their proper niche, a job that fits their real abilities. They’re so well suited for this work that they’re actually better at it than Mexican peons. We ought to close the grad schools and stop wasting resources trying to turn silk purses into sows’ ears.

15 — Anonymous wrote at 8:27 AM on June 28:

Employers state that Mexicans make great employees because they work harder than Americans. However, their quality of labor is second rate because they are incompetent and they cut corners whenever possible.

16 — Jupiter wrote at 10:37 AM on June 28:

Farm work is slave work. As race-replacement accelerates, Native Born White Americans are going to lose more and more power and with this… control of their destiny. As non-whites replace Native Born White Americans in the military,police departments,attorney general offices,district attorneys offices and as judges… at some point in time…. you will start to see Native Both White Americans fall into chattel slavery. And as the population of Native Born White Americans continues to rapidly fall, there will be no one to rescue them from chattel slavery. What, do you expect the blacks,hindus,sihks and chinese to lay their bodies on the line for Native Born White Americans?

I believe that if the will was there, Native Born White Amerians could completetly shut down post-1965 immigration policy and remove most of the post-1965 non-whites within a few years. The only reason these two things have not happened yet is because the will isn’t there on a large enough scale. If the will doesn’t emerge soon, chattel slavery could be in the future for Native Born White Americans.

17 — Question Diversity wrote at 11:08 AM on June 28:

Anon:

It was $50. Corroborated in three different MSM sources.

It’s one thing to be rich, it’s another thing to be born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth. John McCain wouldn’t understand the plight of the average white (or other) American if it hit him on the head.

Then again, this is a political disease: When RFK was campaigning for President in 1968, and he was mouthing off about “civil rights,” he made some sort of flippant comment that started with, “When the average white American goes home to their house with two stories, a two-car garage, four bedrooms and a swimming pool in the backyard…” Rich boy actually thought that the average white American in 1968 lived in such a house. Then again, rich boy from Hyannis Port wouldn’t have kenneled his dogs in a 2-story 2-car garage 4BR house with a swimming pool, too proletarian.

If I had to make one change in the Constitution when it comes to eligibility for public office, it would be that you can’t be an elected politician unless you were born poor.

18 — Anonymous wrote at 12:20 PM on June 28:

Trouble with this country and it’s culture of everyone must go to college is that we end up short on blue collar workers because it’s been stigmatized.

It should be a rule that anyone graduating high school will not be allowed into higher education until they have completed at least one year of minimum wage work. No exceptions will be made and you can’t buy your way out of it.

Not only will this fill any labor shortages but it will ensure every person with a degree will have at least some real world experience, even the politicians.

19 — Webspin wrote at 1:45 PM on June 28:

“Jobs that Americans Won’t Do”

The most simple of truth’s that ends all debate on this discussion is this; We live in a finite space with rapidly dwindling resources. How these simpletons elected to govern us think ANY immigration policy above net 0% can’t end in disaster is beyond comprehension. America cannot be the dumping ground of the world’s breading classes.

20 — exkcresident wrote at 4:09 PM on June 28:

Question Diversity:

A few decades ago, there was a major bigwig in the MO Democrat Party named Lester E. Cox. You’ve probably never heard the name, but it’s a famous one in Springfield because of Cox Medical Center, the second biggest hospital in MO after Barnes-Jewish.
Much to the frustration and surprise of his fellow Democrats, Cox publicly claimed that he would not support JFK in 1960. His simple but insightful reason was that JFK never had a real job in his life.

21 — WR the elder wrote at 11:38 PM on June 28:

Question Diversity is right, McCain did indeed say that Americans wouldn’t pick lettuce if it paid $50 an hour. Hell, my own Mom would piok it if it paid that much. When the Republicans chose John McCain over Ron Paul I knew that the Republican Party had chosen to commit sucicide.

As for the claims that farm work is “slave labor”, I have to disagree. It is often hard and tedious work, but if you are free to seek alternative employment it isn’t slavery. It would pay better if we didn’t have a vast pool of illegal immigrants in this country. You’d have to pay a little more for fruits and vegetables, which I would happily do if I knew it was because American citizens were being decently paid for their work. It is the Democrats, and Republican traitors like McCain, who most oppose the policy of reducng immigration so that the demand for labor will then transfer more income from the upper and middle class to the working class.

22 — Howard W. Campbell wrote at 8:55 AM on June 29:

First, lets get rid of a lot of the “guidance counselors” at the high school level. For whatever reason, they seem to think that if you are on the college prep track and would like to learn a vocation, that you are “throwing your life away”. The scene in the movie “Clerks” that makes fun of the guidance counselor is probably one of the best depictions I have ever seen. These are the same people who will one minute, browbeat a kid into not going the vocational route, then call or text their friend and complain that they cannot find a worthwhile auto mechanic. As I like to say, when was the last time that you saw a guy standing on the street corner holding a sign that says “Broke/Homeless (Plumber / Electrician). God help me!” Unfortunately, the typical 16 y.o. doesn’t have the ability to fight back again these people.

I’m in agreement with Anonymous #18 about a year of paid work before higher education. I would include a provision that to teach on the University level, you need five years of SUCCESSFUL REAL WORLD work experience in the private sector. It can be argued that the best crop of students to enter higher education were the returning veterans from World War II.

Granted, I am lucky to be able to support a family on a one-income blue collar job that is almost impossible to outsource. We live in a safe neighborhood outside the clutches of the big city machine. This nonsense about Americans unwilling to do jobs is for the birds. They are unwilling to do a lot of things at the minimum wage level, but how many jobs at the $20 - 25/ hour go unfilled for lack of want?

23 — Concerned wrote at 10:24 AM on June 29:

John PM

Well, when you have people with doctorates and masters degrees applying for field labor jobs and getting turned away, there is something hideously wrong in Denmark…. our so-called leaders, have sold us out for a bag of magic beans that they call “diversity,” and we citizens get all of its “rewards.”

Man, have you got that right! Our ‘leaders’ have sold us and our rights out to the lobbyists. The third world illegals have more rights and are treated better than we are. Too bad we don’t post the names of the leaders and lobbyists who have screwed us over bigtime. We should give them credit where credit is due.

24 — Jupiter wrote at 11:21 AM on June 29:

WR the elder

People “volunteer” for back breaking, very low wage farm work precisely because of the alernatives available to them in the society they live in. In the same way that people “volunteer” to be slaves. The slaves choice:work a slaves job or starve. We may be rapidly moving to this point in American society. Or have we come to this point already in America?

25 — Question Diversity wrote at 5:47 PM on June 29:

exkc: I know of Cox Hospital. My retired uncle, who lives not far from S’fld, was hospitalized there for a week after a heart attack.

WR: The crops got picked before masses of illegal aliens, I’m wondering who. Also the more time goes on, the more I think that the GOP establishment knew it would lose the Presidency to fill in the blank Democrat, (just like it did in 1996), so it did in 2008 what it did in 1996, and that is push an obvious loser, so that none of the “winners’” hands are sullied.

Howard W.: Of course “guidance counselors” want you to go to college. That’s their business, education. Would Colonel Sanders recommend burgers?

26 — Schoolteacher wrote at 1:45 AM on June 30:

24 Jupiter: Farm work may be hard, but it’s only very low wage work because there are lots of poor foreigners competing for the jobs. No, it’s never been highly paid, but for the first half of this country’s existence, the majority of its people made their living that way, and they weren’t starving.

27 — Anonymous wrote at 8:12 AM on June 30:

Americans have shunned manual work for about two or three generations now, ever since the GIs came home after WW2 and got degrees. Whites have themselves to blame for the mess we have made of our economy thinking we are “too good to work with our hands.”

There is a real problem in this country: the massive education bubble. Can’t find a job? Just get a student loan and go back for that Master’s. “It will pay off in the long run” has been the conventional wisdom. Reality bites when you are still paying off that student debt working retail 10 years later.

Maybe 10-30% of all young people should be going to college. The average man doesn’t have any need or use for specialized knowledge, especially in the humanities. Humanities knowledge is available free on the Internet these days. Undergraduate overattendance goes hand in hand with the dumbing down of public K-12 schools, because the only useful skill most people get from a BA these days is writing sentences that reasonable resemble the English language.

Real tech training has been completely neglected because everyone assumed that our credit card “service economy” would last forever.

Meanwhile all those immigrants who came to do the jobs “Americans won’t do” are getting student loans too so they can “make something of themselves.” So much for the caste system the yuppie liberals were hoping for.

Well, this giant balloon of delusion and hot air is deflating as we speak. The failure of the economy is going to shake out this education bubble and maybe wake Americans up to the reality of a real functioning economy, what works and what is fluff and puffery.

28 — Jupiter wrote at 11:22 AM on June 30:

Schoolteacher

You and other posters have theis romantic image of farmwork. Farmwork has always been low paying slave work. This is why when giving the opporutinity farmworkers will run away from the farm-plantation when the opportunity arises.

No human being should be coerced into low-paying back breaking farm work. The labor standards in White Nationaliat society should be much higher than this.

Were it not for the importation of law-wage hispanic and haitian farm workers, US agriculture would have been mechanized years ago. Robotic slaves rather than human slaves would have been the norm in US argriculture.

One worst things about post-1965 immigration policy is that it perpetuates a very low wage-low skill economy. Farm workers are brutally exploited. No one should be in favor of this. I want to see the American economy shed meaningless,mind numbing poorly paid jobs. Anyone who works as a farm worker is owned by another human being. If they had better options available to them them they would run away from the farm owner(their master)in a heartbeat.

Wealthy people do not volunteer to do farm work. Instead they “volunteer” other people to do it…or you can join the military and get your head blown off in Iraq or Afganistan.

It is the race-replcement immigration enthuiasts who justify immigration because it provides the economy with slave farmworkers. White Nationalist shouldn’t justify cutting off all nonwhite immigration because it would be possible to coerce desperate Native Born White Americans into farm work. White Nationalist are morally superior to the race-replacement immigration enhusiasts. WE are a better class of people.

29 — Whiteplight wrote at 6:03 PM on June 30:

Desperate people with higher education seem willing to work as farm hands, but what about all those high school grads and dropouts? They are the ones that ought to be on the farm so that educated people can provide them with the services they need. That our best are now working on farms tells you that our society is crumbling, not that Whites are finally getting noticed.

30 — Schoolteacher wrote at 6:49 PM on June 30:

28 Jupiter: I’ve never done farm labor except chores while visiting rural relatives, but I’ve doing plenty of mind-numbing factory work, which is another “job that Americans won’t do. It’s unpleasant, but you just set to and get it done. If you don’t like it, you go and get yourself some skills.

My parents were farm kids, and neither of them ever said anything about intolerable drudgery or slave work. I had two uncles who chose to be farmers. They both had very small scale operations, and did all the work themselves, without even a hired hand.

From this, I suppose that farming is good work if you know what you’re doing and are making your own decisions, rather than following orders. The same applies to manufacturing. Plenty of small owner-operated manufacturing shops are busy 60-80 hours a week, just as small farms are. What matters is scale and human autonomy, more than the actual work being done. Farming is hard and dirty, but so is welding. Replacing free White men with Mexican peons, or African slaves, may have a lot to do with the servile nature of modern American agriculture.


31 — Bobby wrote at 7:36 PM on June 30:

Jupiter#28, said, “Schoolteacher you and other posters have this romantic image of farmwork.”

I disagree. I believe it has nothing whatever to do with romance.
The famous Hollywood actor Gary Cooper, was once asked about his upbringing on a farm in Helena, Montana. The reporter asked him if he liked the romance of growing up on his fathers farm/ranch. Cooper gave him this answer, “gettin up at 4 o’clock in the morning, in the dead of winter,to feed 400 head of cattle, ain’t romantic.” However, he also gave credit for that upbringing in making him aware of nature, where our food comes from and the miracle of life in general. He remained a guy close to the soil and nature his whole life and it showed in his character.

Most children today could use a healthy dose of farm/ranch labor. They are so disconnected from reality it’s alarming. Then what of the saying a sound mind in a sound body? People who do physical work are not neccessarily stupid people. It isn’t something evil or degrading. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, spent thousands, countless hours, exercing and working out in his lifetime. He still works out more hours every week then the average 18 year old could only dream of, and he credits it with keeping him young, making his mind work more efficiently and giving him a general sense of mental balance and sharpness.

I would just say that Americans are so disconnected from nature, the soil,the rivers, mountains, their own nation really,that most only have an abstract idea of what their nation really is. It’s really one of the most beautiful places in the world, that we are all a part of. How can people appreciate what they have, in a certain sense, when they don’t really know on a gut level what they have, here in the U.S? That is what really creates a sense of value, a rounded character, if you will, that so many Americans of an earlier generation had and that most of us have lost. That’s why liberals are in blue states and conservatives in red states.(tongue in cheek)

32 — Jupiter wrote at 7:36 PM on July 1:

Bobby

I wasn’t referring to the farmers son and daughter who will eventually inherit the farm and go on to lobby for immigrant slave workers. Farm work is back-breaking, meanigless,boring and very low paying. This is close enough to salvery for me. Nothing is gained for the individual who “volunteers” for farm work. You know this. I knows this. Everyone knows this.

American society should rid itself of farm labor. Mechanize and use robotic slaves. Wealthy people do not volunteer for farm work..and we all know why. I think this is the labor policy that White Nationlaist should support.

Let the race-replacement immigration enthusaist make the economic case for slave labor. I am a White Nationlaist and will not make the case for chattel and wage slavery for Native Born White Americans White Nationlaist should be for a high wage economy. Let the immigration enthusiasts hang themselves in public with a rope of their own making-a rope whose fibers are made of massive greed.

33 — Schoolteacher wrote at 2:58 AM on July 2:

32 Jupiter: Mechanized agriculture is the reason you can’t get decent tomatoes at the supermarket. The thick skinned, bland tasting tomatoes have been bred for ease of mechanical harvesting, not for flavor or nutrition. Better tasting ones are available at farmer’s markets in most cities, for a higher price. They’re worth it.

Monoculture, the standardization of crops, is another consequence of mechanized farming. Instead of many varieties of potatoes, for example, many thousands of acres are planted in a single variety, leaving whole counties vulnerable to a single insect pest or disease. In consequence, thousands of tons of pesticides are dumped on our food and into our bodies, in order to protect agricultural investment. Because agribusiness hates to waste money by rotating less profitable crops, they use chemical fertilizers to keep the more profitable ones growing. Once healthy soil, rich with decaying organic matter is now full of slow tocsins. Some farmers will not eat the crops they sell, growing healthier food for themselves in separate gardens.

Farm work is hard, but so is any useful labor. It is not meaningless. Selling stock might be meaningless, designing video games might be meaningless, being a U.S. Senator might be meaningless, but growing food is the single most important task a man can do. Farm work can be boring, but so are a lot of jobs. I’ve seen engineers who live on coffee, just to keep their eyes open. Farm work is very low paying, because we have an endless supply of cheap labor to keep it that way.

I am a White Nationalist too, but rather than scorning farm work as beneath us, I think our nation should adopt policies that require healthy agricultural practices, and promote a decent income for farmers. Agriculture is the single most important economic activity in any country, and if farmers (real farmers, not agribusiness executives) can’t make a good living in so wealthy a country as ours, the problem isn’t agriculture, it’s business.

34 — Jupiter wrote at 10:56 AM on July 2:

Schoolteacher

Farming work will never be a high wage job. When raises go high enough, it will be mechanized. To compare farmwork to much higher paying whie-colloae jobs is silly. The fact of the matter is… no one volunteers for backbreaking,boring and very low paying farm work….not even to provide you schoolteacher with nice juicy red tomatoes.

Schoolteacher,I am opposed to coercing any Native Born White American-with the exception of the immigration enhusiasts-into farm work.

Also, there is such a thing as White collar slavery. And White Collar slvery for millins of Native Born White Americans is a reality. It is a direct consequence of the passage of the 1965 immigration reform act that flooded white collar labor market with LEGAL IMMIGRATION asians,muslims and african scab labor.

You seem to be arguing that because white collar slavery exist farm work slavery of various degrees is acceptable. Besides being a non-sequitor…it is morally repugnant to “argue” for a low wage economy…especially for White Nationalists.

Here is what I want to see:Jared Taylor is national tv with an immigration enhusaist who is making the case for basically agricultural slave workers from mexico. Jared responds:”Im a White Nationalist and I can live without slave labor unlike the race-replacement immigration enthusiasts. White Nationalists like labor sarcities because we like a high wage economy.”

If Jared did tis on national TV ,he would blow the immigration enthusiasts out of the water.

Let Geraldo Rivera make the case for agricultural slave labor.


35 — Schoolteacher wrote at 5:45 PM on July 2:

34 Jupiter: Farm labor will never be a high wage job, but it can be a decent wage job, particularly if labor is scarce. I used to be a machine operator, working drill presses, punch presses and grinders. It wasn’t a high wage job, but it paid enough to get by. But in many parts of the country foreigners have taken those jobs just as they’ve taken farm work, forcing wages down. The economics of farm labor and industrial grunt work are the same.

One out of six Whites has an IQ of 85 or less. Those are the people who probably won’t learn new, more difficult skills, and will likely remain at the bottom. The only things coercing them into farm labor or unskilled factory work are their own limitations. What should a White Nationalist government do about these people? Give them high wage jobs that their not capable of doing, like we do for Blacks? Let them sink into squalor as libertarians would? Or, as I think, allow them to make a living wage at work they are capable of doing well? If that means hard, dirty work, farm or factory, so be it.

I’ve done hard, dirty work, and haven’t regarded myself as a slave since I left military service. I have made good money doing skilled work at times, and have had to go back to more humble work at other times. I have been a laborer doing roofing and repaving driveways, nasty work, and If I can do it, so can anyone else if they can’t find another job. If any Whites think they are too good or too educated to do the necessary dirty work of society, including picking vegetables, then they can starve.

36 — Jupiter wrote at 8:42 PM on July 2:

Schoolteacher

I am not sure if you are aware of it but you are very close to making an argument for slavery. Why should low IQ Whites be coerced into work that is way too close on the continuum to slavery. Slaves are not repsonsible for being slaves.

The reason that I have been thoroughly hostile to the Murray and Hernstien stuff is that people were and still are using it to justfy corrupt and evil economic systems.

Who is going to the dirty work? Do you think Bill Gates will volunteer his teenage son for farm work…. yeah right. Now there is one option where if the crops have to be picked because immigrant slave workers are not available: a fair and democratic system can be constructed where Native Born White Americans of all economic strata go out and pick the crops at harvest time. Or..as you say..they can starve.

School Teacher, you have no idea just how far agricultural can be mechanized. Machines are becomming more and more intelligent and dextorous. Agriculture can be largely mechnized, and once mechanization takes place, the only human jobs left in agriculture will be high skill and high paid.

37 — Schoolteacher wrote at 10:30 PM on July 2:

36 Jupiter: You’re probably right that I’ve no idea how dextrous agricultural machinery can be. Years ago I had a choice of learning CNC machining or becoming a teacher, and quit factory work. My skills are manual, so I guess I should defer to you on that point.

But we seem to have two points that divide us. First, I accept the need for nasty physical work, and I don’t see it as slavery. No, Bill Gates’ kid won’t be doing it, my kids will. Even if we have machines to pick wine grapes, somebody is going to have to clean out the oil sump and change filters on the hydraulic reservoir, and it won’t be the senior technician. Second, what is to be done to employ the many Whites who just don’t have a lot on the ball? I don’t see how they’re going to master jobs requiring a lot of skill. In school and in factories I’m seen good and decent people who just don’t get the subtleties of the work at hand. They need to do something useful that is within their abilities, and do it well, in order to be respected members of the society. What will that work be?

38 — Jupiter wrote at 10:59 AM on July 3:

Schoolteacher

If nasty dirty work has to be done, then everyone should have to do it including Bill Gates and his teenage son. In a civilized society this is how things should be.

There is no value in doing low-paying, monotonous back breaking work. No White American should have to rent themselves out to a master for 8-12 hours a day to do this kind of work.

39 — Anonymous wrote at 1:06 PM on July 3:

I have a friend that used to work as a Supervisor at a Heliport, and did so for about 18 years. He was the Lead Mechanic there. Once that closed down, and he was laid off, he found a part-time job, after many months, working for an Air Freight Carrier, on their 747 Jet Engines.

He did this for about two years before he was given a full-time job. After being laid-off twice, with that Airline, it finally went out of business.

He looked for several more months, and found a job with another less well known Airline, and worked there as a Mechanic on 747s, 767s, and 757s.

This Airline went out of business about three years ago.

My friend, who has his A&P license, plus years of experience, and his U.S. Customs background clearance, had to go and take out a $15,000.00 School loan, to take a year long Training program, to become a Certified Auto Mechanic.

He finished the Auto Training program over one year ago, and, as I told him, I thought that with that, and his prior Jet Engine, and Helicopter Mechanic work experience, he would be working full-time, within a few weeks.

Well, it is over a year and a half since he finished, and the only jobs that he has been able to get, were working at a Pet Store, and working part-time, through the Butcher’s Union, at a local Grocery Store, in the Meat Department.

The Pet Store Manager rode this guy’s butt for no reason, other than he was probably threatened that he might take his Supervisor’s job, and got rid of him, after two or three months.

The Grocery Store Meat Manager pulled the same stuff, and dumped my friend, just before he was supposed to get some Union benefits, for part-time workers, like Medical coverage.

So, they work you, right up until benefits are about to kick in, and then they dump you. I know all too well about this, because I have had the same thing happen to me, at two other Grocery Stores, in their Meat Departments.

It doesn’t matter what you know how to do, or what Degrees you have earned, if you have no way of earning a living.

People will have to open their own Businesses, and forget about getting a job with a Company, since you are only a temorary filler, until someone else can take your place, most often at less money. Don’t train anyone, or at least, any Minority, how to do your job, or do it correctly.

If you only know how to do your job, then you are valuable to the Company. If you train non-Whites how to do your job, you are training the next person that will shove you out the door, usually, long before retirement.

40 — Schoolteacher wrote at 5:02 PM on July 3:

38 Jupiter: My uncle was a tool and die maker, and I worked in his shop for a while, mostly drilling holes. I was not experienced in his work, and drilling holes and cleaning up the oily metal chips that were everywhere was about all I could usefully do. If all the nasty boring jobs ought be done by everyone, then should my uncle have stopped doing his exacting technical work to drill holes and clean chips? Why then would he need me around? Do you tell your children to fix your car and do your taxes while you clean their rooms and wash the dishes? Next time you go in for surgery, do you want the hospital janitor to do the cutting, because the surgeon is busy scrubbing floors?

There is value in low-paying, monotonous, back-breaking work, much more value than in a lot of high-paying, interesting, indoor jobs with no heavy lifting. My uncle paid me because what I did had value for him, not as much value as cutting dies, but my labor freed him to do his more demanding work. There is value in digging weeds and there is value in collecting trash. There is value in any useful labor, and those who do it merit respect. It ought be a goal of a White Nationalist government to try to see that those nasty, monotonous, back-breaking jobs at least pay a living wage.


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