Homeland Beckons Immigrants as Retirement Nears

Alina Tugend, New York Times, May 15, 2015

They came to America from all over the world for many reasons–to make money, to marry, to live in peace. But now, as they face their retirement years, many of these longtime immigrants want to go home.

“There is always a hankering for your roots,” said Conrado Rigor Jr., editor of The Filipino-American Bulletin, a newspaper based in Washington State. “After all is said and done, after you’ve been here for 25 to 30 years, you want to go home.”

No overall statistics are available for how many people return to their native countries to retire, but consultants, real estate agents and others who help immigrants make the journey say the numbers are increasing.

They leave for many reasons: They worked in menial jobs in the United States and can afford a much higher standard of living in their native countries; they want to be around their relatives as they age for emotional and practical reasons; the spouses they immigrated with or married in the United States have died or they have divorced.

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On an income that can barely sustain one person in New York, “you can live like a king in Ecuador,” Mr. Padilla said.

That is because people not only have the money they have saved, but if they have paid into the Social Security system while working in the United States, they can continue to receive payments abroad. But some exceptions apply, so it is wise to check the Social Security website.

While Social Security is portable, those returning to their home country will not be eligible for Medicare, which can be a major disadvantage, Mr. Rigor said. Medicare is generally not available outside the United States and its territories, even for American citizens who have paid into the system.

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Laurel Montecel, 68, is planning to move back to Guayaquil, Ecuador, this month after more than 40 years in New York, where she was a home aide. She is an American citizen. She votes in elections.

But her mother, who lives in Ecuador, is 91 and needs help, and Ms. Montecel’s brothers have asked her to return. Because she is single and without children, they feel she is in a better position to provide the care, she said.

“It’s my turn to take care of my mother,” she said.

She has returned every year to Guayaquil to visit, but knows that is not the same as living there.

“It’s my country, it’s my city, but it’s new–like when I came here for the first time,” Ms. Montecel said. “For me it’s very confused. I love my country, but I love New York.”

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  • dd121

    I’ve read there are a million Americans in Mexico for the cheap cost of living for retirees on a budget.

    • Fed Up

      Living in Mexico must be much like Al Cap’s (cartoonist creator of LIL ABNER) description of living in Lower Slobbovia. Al Cap was a wonderful cartoonist satirizing our politicians of the earl 1950s and 1960s.

      • Lexonaut

        Remember Joe Btspflk? And Apassionata von Climax?

    • Anthony

      I’m a retired American Merchant Seaman living in Costa Rica I haven’t been back to the United States in 10 years, it used to be cheap here now it is very expensive, many Americans and Canadians are moving to Panama and Nicaragua where it is much less expensive. The one thing I will say is that doctors and some private hospitals are very affordable, I pay everything out of pocket. I have Medicare but am not covered down here.

    • JohnnyMangoes

      And this is perfectly acceptable behavior, but as soon as a non white moves elsewhere, he gets called all kinds of nasty names.

      • Sid Ishus

        Since I didn’t want them here in the beginning why would I be upset when they finally leave? Though it does show the lie we’ve been fed by progressives about immigrants.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          They came here to take advantage of the system. I think they ought to leave the SS$ behind if they leave, too.

          • Sid Ishus

            Not to be argumentative, but if they are vested in the system it is their due. My preference is they are never permitted entrance.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I have no argument with your view as it is the result of international agreements that work both ways and if we want freedom of movement, economical freedom must attend it. My problem is that I don’t think the system was anticipated as sending money out of the country. There was an expectation I believe that the benefits would be ploughed back into our own economy.

          • Sid Ishus

            To be spent here means they must stay here. The more money leaving and not returning the sooner this State will collapse. We can survive a collapse, we can’t survive colonization.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            This is obvious and the slow collapse of America is well underway. When government officials act only to secure their own wealth and power and the best statesmen are kept away by costs, which has been the case for a long time now, there is no real future for the society it pretends to rule.

      • Lexonaut

        Get a degree in either EE or computer sciences, Mangoes, whether in China or here. Then move back to the USA and take a job in Silicon Valley. Nobody will view your genetic makeup as anything but a distinct positive, if they even notice it at all, which is unlikely.

        We keep trying to knock that racist chip off your shoulder but you keep insisting on putting it on again. That says much more about you than it does about either this site or most of the people who post on it.

        We all like to debate here but you’re not a victim. Only you can make yourself ashamed of yourself — we’re not the ones doing it.

        • JohnnyMangoes

          To be honest I just want to make sure my children are able to live a happy and free life like you want your kids too. I don’t know how old your daughter is but eventually she’s going to come across racist comments that hurt a lot. Luckily I’ve never really experienced them bc of my looks but to be honest, I’d love to take pride in my race without fear of being demeaned like what happens with more Asian looking people.

          • Hammerheart

            Suck it up, buttercup. Many people have it far worse than you do world-wide and they don’t walk around with a chip on their shoulder.

          • Lexonaut

            I’m not MCS if that’s whom you thought you were talking to. As for racial pride, I really didn’t give the subject a lot of thought till about three years ago. Maybe that’s the essence of privilege, but too bad.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Racial pride is fine. It often equates to subconsciously abusing other races tho. Took me 27 years to accept my Asian side. That’s because American culture devalues Asians (at least in terms of things other than the studious nerd stereotype)

          • Lexonaut

            “It often equates to subconsciously abusing other races tho.”

            Sorry, I don’t buy into microagression theory, which is simply another name for Orwell’s concept of thoughtcrime.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            What would be your guess as to why so many Asians seek to come here, given this automatic “devaluation?”

          • David Ashton

            The Chinese in China – the Middle Kingdom – are quite ethnocentric, and treat Tibetans like colonials. But each to his own, and live and let live.

          • SoulInvictus

            “…racist comments that hurt a lot.”

            And yet you’re here. Despite the comments of some, and the general affectionate tone Taylor likes to take regarding asians…

            It is “American” Renaissance.
            Not “Japan” Renaissance. Not “Filipino” Renaissance. Not “China” Renaissance.

            Remind me again how many of our founders were asian.
            How many asians lived here for the first…100 years or more of this country’s existence.
            So color me shocked that “American” Renaissance readers would take issue with a massive invasion from the third world whether that be yellow or black.

            Yes, they’re a lower crime and higher IQ than the alternative, but asians are not us. So why post here all butt-hurt in one of the very, very few places on the internet where people can halfway express their sentiments openly on these topics.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Who is “us?” You do know that at the time and for two hundred years after (And arguably even to today) Irish immigrants were considered non-whites and less than blacks?

            Does America belong to white people? If so, why? Who was there before you? Did you take that land legally?

          • SoulInvictus

            “Irish immigrants were considered non-whites and less than blacks?”
            Not by me.

            “Does America belong to white people?”
            Yes.
            Well, it did anyway.

            ” If so, why? Who was there before you? Did you take that land legally?”
            Who gives a damn.
            Rather than a laundry list of why, who, and and history, I’ll just go with that.
            When Europeans start moving by the millions to whatever asian lands your ancestors came from, then you’d have a leg to stand on. We’re tired of it. No place is allowed to be “ours”. Even the places we either occupied solely for thousands of years or built from the ground up.
            You’ll not find a whole lot of sympathy here trying to counter any of that. Which was my point to begin with.

            That said, I do actually like most asian people and have had positive associations with them. But carving out exceptions for them will lead to a billion chinese flooding here, and then the third world cruising in through the open immigration door.
            For the time being, the West needs a moratorium on immigration.

          • David Ashton

            You can take pride in your own race and in its achievements best by living and working in racial homeland to be proud of.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Sure, agreed.

  • connorhus

    They came to America from all over the world for many reasons–to make money, to marry, to live in peace.

    By all means please go back.

    Yet I find the opening sentence suspect. If they came here for those reasons why would they want to return? Are they going to be left alone now? Have things changed? I doubt it. What they really came here for was the benefits and freebies and now they want to take their SS and pensions and go back where they belong where they can still get freebies.

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      “It’s my country, it’s my city, but it’s new–like when I came here for the first time,” Ms. Montecel said. “For me it’s very confused. I love my country, but I love New York.”

      —————————————-

      Black and brown immigrants to the United States are from a foreign stock than Europeans, often grew up speaking a non-English language, and sometimes have different religion. These immigrants can hardly ever be fully assimilated, like a European could be, insofar as feeling that he/she belongs to the nation-state and vice-versa. Thus, as Ms. Montecel says, Ecuador is her true home in spite of being a citizen of the United States and living in the United States for forty years. Such a sentiment is true for most immigrants today.

      • Lexonaut

        “For me it’s very confused. I love my country, but I love New York.”

        No need for confusion. All great cities are effectively nations unto themselves, and in an emotional sense dual citizenship is the norm not only for people from El Salvador but also for people from Indiana.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        One problem is the claim, view or attitude that immigrants today are the same as the immigrants that came during the time of the settlement of North America. Those who came, especially before the U.S. Civil War, came knowing that they were never going back. This is also true of most of the people who came before 1920. They wanted to be Americans, they wanted to be part of it and were ready to assimilate. Today, they come for advantages that they know they can get. They come to exploit the system and often even to abuse it. They often travel back and forth, they don’t feel obligated to assimilate, but rather they demand to be respected as they are on arrival. In fact, they often demand that we become like them.

        The reason that the U.S. is headed for a collapse if because the government supports the replacement of its oldest and most effective American populations; the ones that came from Northern European nations. Its support and expansion of the application of the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act has over-whelmed America and it has become a Balkanized land, with special groups seeking political advantages over the other. After the old, white American population is sufficiently reduced (and we are very near this state now), the fight over the carcass will begin. (There is no hard time line and this is already going on, but the speed of the momentum will soon become apparent, daily).

      • LHathaway

        Well, you certainly provide a justification for kicking them out. What do to when the USA (and possibly all of NA later) becomes divided by race, specifically Hispanic/Asian/Black/White? I’m pretty sure Whites aren’t taking those from places like India. The mideast – it might depend on religion. Where do these people go? Will the split be more than just those 4 territories? Or will the USA remain pretty much what it is now with just a reservation for Whites in the Pacific Northwest? The reason I might doubt that is that Hispanics and Blacks will want their own countries. Asian men I’m sure too. But who can say? One thing I’m pretty certain of is that White won’t be accepting those from Indian, or Black or Hispanic, unless married to a white, I suppose. Divorce is fine – but you’ll be leaving, after.

  • They came to America from all over the world for many reasons–to make money

    That’s our wonderful proposition nation.

  • Deep North

    This country is nothing but a large shopping mall; it means nothing to be an American post-1965 Immigration Act. A country isn’t just geographic features with a border; its a cohesive group of people who share race/ethnicity, language and a loyalty to one another.

    • Weisheit77

      I call it the “world’s hotel”.

    • SoulInvictus

      Can’t have a cohesive nation based on those things with the world’s strongest military And a one world totalitarian government/banking system.
      So down she goes.

      You’d almost think it was planned.

  • Hilis Hatki

    They dont care about “America” its all about the money and stuff.

    Come to America get a monthly government check, direct deposit then go back home where you can stretch that money.

    • Charles Martel

      They hate everything about western civilization except the benefits office.

    • Secret Person

      Bet there’s a lot of benefit fraud there. The SS recipient dies and SS isn’t notified.

  • rmk948

    Nothing terribly surprising about this. I remember my father telling me about how in the twenties and thirties, many retirees went back to Eastern Europe where they could live like kings. It works both ways – many Americans are considering retiring in Latin American countries where their dollars go further. As far as Filipinos, etc. returning to their native lands for retirement – they’ve paid into their retirement programs and Social Security and are entitled to go wherever they want.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Where in Eastern Europe? I am curious because in the 20s and 30s, the Soviet Union was engaged in a civil war adn then purges and was anything but safe. Germany was in turmoil most of that time and Yugoslavia and the Balkans were unsettled as well. There was no SS system then, and no appreciable retirement pension programs anywhere, so how did they live like kings? I can believe that some might have, but it had to be only the lucky few who fled with money they gained during the twenties boom. These people would have lost their wealth after 1929. During the 30s, the entire world was suffering from the GD, so I wonder who went home from the U.S. and where they went?

    • Whitetrashgang

      Social security is a Ponzi scheme, so no.

  • Luca D.

    Once again, proof that people want to be around their own kind.

    • Light from the East

      Automatic segregation by human nature.

    • David Ashton

      Birds of a feather. When in Rome. Stitch in time.

  • Fed Up

    Yes, by all means, let them leave! And ideally, taking their numerous progeny back with them. We’d be ten times better off without them!

  • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

    Too bad whites can’t go home, because they’ve destroyed our homes by flooding them with these people. In my experience, this is true. Every foreigner I’ve ever known (that isn’t European) plans on going back to their country to live one day. They don’t want to be citizens, they don’t want to be Americans, they want the money and that’s it.

    • Lexonaut

      “They don’t want to be citizens, they don’t want to be Americans, they want the money and that’s it.”

      That was certainly true of my English father. He came in on a green card and never applied for citizenship.

  • Caesar Avgvstvs

    No country needs immigration. No economist or political scientist has ever plausibly demonstrated that immigration is a necessity. Immigration, especially from the peasant and proletarian cultures of the third world, is just incredibly stupid.

    • IstvanIN

      It was probably useful for the US when we allowed Germans, Swedes and Norwegians to settle the western areas, like Minnesota. Most late 19th century/early 20th century immigration might have been ill-advised but at least Congress woke up and put a stop to it in 1924. Currently NO country needs immigration and most, outside of Europe, need drastic reductions in population.

      • John Smith

        Certainly not non-white immigration.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        This occurred during the period of the settling of North America (or America) and is of a separate historical epoch. I think that the immigration up to WW1 was mostly good for the U.S. as they were still trying to fill vacant space with activities due to initial settlement. I believe the historical decision of 1924 was due to a new influx of Eastern and Southern Europeans as a fallout of the end of WW2. I read one history that said that this turned out to be vital for U.S. success in WW2 as it provided a generation to grow up as Americans, not immigrants. If not for this, the cooperation between white Americans would likely have not been so good. This is another reason why a world war or something like it, where a concerted American effort is required will fail today.

        • SoulInvictus

          The only WW2 immigrants that were beneficial to the US in the long run, German scientists.
          Everyone else that was bailing from the old country, probably earned their expulsion or were destitute peasants that could have just as well gone to Argentina, Palestine, and the like.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I am not sure what you are referring to period wise. I was talking about the generation that fought IN WW2, not the post WW2 immigrants. Anyway, I have had a number of friend who were children of war brides and they were good people.

          • SoulInvictus

            You’re right. Dumb comment in retrospect.:)
            It was directed at a …particular segment but was phrased too generally.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            You have my respect as one who can admit an error. We all make them sometimes.

          • SoulInvictus

            Man, I self edit myself to a ridiculous degree (which is why I find it irritating when I get moderated for trivial stuff). The only time I get loose with it is when I make the mistake of posting when extremely tired. If I say someone say it better first, I’ll just upvote instead of adding lines of “me too” filler. And then sometimes it just seems stupid in the light of day upon rereading, like that one.

            Headed to the beach comrades, have a good weekend.:)

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Me too! 😉

            Tired or affected by a virus, which sometimes happens to me. It’s really not a victory in a debate to celebrate an obvious error like that. Enjoy the beach.

    • Charles Martel

      We don’t need low IQ 3rd world immigration. There is a swiss town with over 1000 taxpaying whites that has 1/3 of its taxes going to one refugee squatmonster family. Covered here last year

      “raise taxes because an African refugee and her seven children cost the local authority £40,000 in benefits every month.

      Hagenbuch, in the Swiss canton of Zurich, is understood to be spending close to a third of its total annual budget on the family after they arrived from Eritrea in East Africa three years ago.”

      • John Smith

        I expect there might be a firebombing in their future.

      • SoulInvictus

        Microcosm of America right there.
        I can’t even fathom the collective cost of propping these things up for the past century.
        I’m sure we would likely be writing these words from Mars Base Epsilon or something if someone would have expelled the Commies and their underlings right from the first whispers of discontent.
        Don’t like it, here’s your boat ticket back to Palestine or the Congo.
        Problem solved.

        • Charles Martel

          Paul Kersey says its been $27trillion in opportunity cost wasted failing to create equality.

  • pcmustgo

    Well, yeah, they aren’t very rooted to the place and probably never really view America as “home”.

    • Who Me?

      She is an American citizen, but she refers to Ecuador as her country…yeah, we got it.

  • ckmariner

    I suspect that the government doesn’t WANT to keep statistics on how many go back because it doesn’t fit in to their narrative that European immigrants and 3rd world immigrants are only different by skin color.

  • tech

    Of course, the original article has a photo of a white Canadian woman…

    • Sid Ishus

      They always do that. Story about criminal actions of football players? All White on the photo while the name are all ebonic.

  • IstvanIN

    When I was a teenager and young man a number of my classmates grandparents went back to Poland to retire. Under the communist regime with an American income they could live like kings. And it still happens. I know Polish funeral director who arranges for people to be flown back to the US for burial in the family plot. They were born in Poland, loved America and raised their children here but, in old age, longed for the old country before time ran out. And then they come back permanently. I get it.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Interesting story. I figured that these people were mostly Polish. This is the one country in the Eastern Bloc where this could be gotten away with. It was also possible with Yugoslavia, as well.

  • Lexonaut

    I think it’s fair to assume that the Founders intended “native born American” to mean a child whose parents both were American citizens, whether born in US-controlled territory or naturalized.

    By that defnitiion I’m not native born — my father was English and never took out citizenship.

    • John Smith

      Or at least one of them.

  • JohnnyMangoes

    That’s funny, makes me think of the hundreds of thousands of white men retiring in Thailand for easy access to Thai ladyboys and under aged girls.

    • Weisheit77

      And I’ve read that these people are hated. There are a lot of mysterious “suicides” over there.

      You don’t have to worry about me showing up in Thailand.

    • Lexonaut

      “That’s funny, makes me think of the hundreds of thousands of white men
      retiring in Thailand for easy access to Thai ladyboys and under aged
      girls.”

      Most of them German, right?

      • JohnnyMangoes

        I’m not sure. But Bangkok and Chiangmai when I was there was like a mini colony. The white guys there are so entrenched in the local culture it’s amazing.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          The Thai may not like this, but they don’s seem to do anything about it.

          About ten years ago, I happened to be at a party near Seattle where the (THE) general of the Thai army was present. I spoke with him for some time. My impression was that his concern was with keeping the peace with the growing Muslim population so that Westerners would keep “investing and visiting.” He was a devoted Buddhist and seemed a very kind and sincere man.

    • Sid Ishus

      “Hundreds of thousands” exaggerate much?

      • JohnnyMangoes

        It’s a lot man. In some places in Thailand like Chiangmai it seems a huge percentage of people there are foreigners. Like every third person is a foreigner.

        • Sid Ishus

          I guess the moral is no one likes foreigners. It seems like every third person here is a foreigner as well, no matter what their citizenship papers may say.

    • Luca D.

      Are you implying that Thai people are a race of low-life prostitutes and have no morals?

      Are you implying Negros, mestizos and Asians never have sex with them?

    • The only guy I know who plans to retire in Thailand is in fact Thai. The food is great, but I’d never be able to stand the tropical humidity or the giant hissing cockroaches.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Hundreds of thousands of them? There must be entire cities of white men there!

    • David Ashton

      This is disgusting. Thailand should punish them, not encourage them. These sex travelers are a disgrace to the white race, and likewise any miscegenation resulting from it. Depraved cosmopolitanism is as much a threat to western societies as it is to the delicate and aesthetic civilizations of Thailand and its neighbors. I personally find it disgusting that elderly whites in England get their oriental mates off the internet, and only today I saw even a young man in tow with the ugliest-looking south-east Asian you could imagine, walking past some attractive white girls. “Love” is blind!

    • PissedOffScientist

      Insightful, but opposing points are welcome, insulting “hundreds of thousands” white men who choose to spend retirement abroad just makes you a troll.

      • JohnnyMangoes

        You mean, just like how AmRen commenters insult “hundreds of thousands” of non-whites that choose to immigrate to another country?

  • Hammerheart

    So much for becoming ‘American’s. At least they’re not leeching social security?

  • SoulInvictus

    “They leave for many reasons…”

    Uh huh. Right. They’re leaving because Operation Free Ride™ is over.
    They’ve helped suck the nation dry whether via gibs or robbing the native born of opportunity. Now anyone with half a brain can see that the bill is about to hit the table with dire results, so of course all the rats are bailing out of the sinking ship.

    I expect a lot more immigrants and “refugees” are going to suddenly pine for their homelands over the next few years for precisely this reason. The American whore is used up, why would they stay when they’ve gotten what they wanted and now she’s laying there broken and diseased…