Cleveland Police Officer Found Not Guilty in Unarmed Couple’s Shooting Deaths

Steve Osunsami et. al., ABC News, May 24, 2015

A judge today acquitted a white Cleveland police officer in the 2012 shooting deaths of an unarmed black couple, saying he couldn’t determine whether the officer alone fired the fatal shots at the end of a 137-bullet barrage.

Michael Brelo was acquitted of voluntary manslaughter and a lesser charge of felonious assault in the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams. He was visibly emotional as Cuyahoga County Judge John O’Donnell read a portion of his verdict in open court.

Prosecutors said Brelo, 31, was one of 13 officers who fired 137 times into the couple’s car in the November 2012 shooting. The 22-mile, high-speed chase through Cleveland began when an officer tried pulling over Russell for a turn signal violation. His car backfired while speeding away, causing officers to think someone in the car had fired a gun.

Thirteen officers fired upon the car at the end of the chase, including Brelo, who prosecutors said stood on the car’s hood when it was stopped and shot 15 times into the windshield. He told the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation that he thought he and his partner were being shot at.

No gun was ever found in the car. Russell and Williams were each shot more than 20 times.

The two who were killed in the shooting were mentally unstable drug-users.

Brelo was the only officer charged criminally because prosecutors said he intended to kill Russell, 43, and Williams, 30, alleging that he reloaded during the shooting barrage and that it was his final salvo that killed the couple.

O’Donnell ruled that Brelo’s use of deadly force was constitutionally reasonable based on how the events unfolded.

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Judge demonstrates in courts where the bullets entered the bodies.

After the shooting, the U.S. Department of Justice conducted an investigation that determined the Cleveland Police Department engaged in a pattern of using excessive force and violating civil rights. The city and the department are now negotiating a reform-minded consent decree.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office, the FBI and the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice said in a statement today they will review the testimony and evidence from the trial and “collaboratively determine what, if any, additional steps are available and appropriate given the requirements and limitations of the applicable laws in the federal judicial system.”

There have already been arrests in the ensuing demonstrations.

There have already been arrests in the ensuing demonstrations.

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  • Jim Kental

    This might just set off a wave of “protests” across America. Many “yoofs” and “protestors” are still raising hell over that dead thug from Baltimore….. and the Yid media is gleefully pouring more gasoline on the fire….. they want to see white Christians savaged all across the nation. However, I can tell you that soon the blacks will turn their rage away from us and turn on their Yid masters. They’ve done it before, but the difference now is that the social media will keep the blacks’ rage burning long after the TV media tries unsuccessfully to calm them down. This will be a very interesting summer.

    • Good point. And you can bet the Democratic Party is worried about the “Frankenstein’s Monster” that president Obama has unleashed.

    • Jack Richards

      It will definitely set off another round of arson, looting, thuggery, muggings and murders. I hope you Yanks are making use of your 2nd Amendment and are ready to “stand your ground”.

      • notyranny

        Brother, you have no idea.

    • pwnful truth

      Blacks have zero history of turning on their masters, to my knowledge. Turn on Jay-z? Turn on Obama? Can any sane person envision such, outside of a daydream? Try for a second to imagine a black mob screaming about “we sick of bein fed dis boo crap about it bein white man fault!!!” It will never happen.

  • Helpyouout

    I don’t think it should even be illegal to kill blacks; they have a tribal nature, and the very act of being born black is detrimental to society.

  • LHathaway

    I would say one bullet was excessive force. 137 makes it a good story.

    • 137 makes it totally hilarious.

      • LHathaway

        It’s not a movie, man. Although, it’s probably fiction.

  • LAGERTHA

    Officer Brelo and his family will be in our thoughts this Memorial Day weekend.

    Justice was served.

  • Kees Roma

    What a sad story. I would have thought that the suspects at least tried to run over the officers with the vehicle, or maybe someone else…I could understand the use of deadly force if such were the case. But a backfire as pretext? Before, not AFTER, a 22 mile chase? Sorry…can’t go there…and uh…what? There are no ballistics on the rounds that killed the couple? Whole thing is hard to believe…and as for the fact that the victims were black…murder of any human being is still murder…

    • IstvanIN

      Why did the decedents put the cops through a 22 mile high speed chase? Something was up with them.

      • Drugs. A crack pipe was found in the car. See: drugs really are bad for folks!

        • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

          Where do you put crack pipe?

        • SoulInvictus

          Cops would never plant drugs to provide cover for shooting two unarmed people 40 times.

          • Cops don’t need to plant drugs after blacks lead them on a 22-mile,100 mph car chase. Drugs are a given in those cases.

        • Sick of it

          They could have hidden them…and taken a ticket. Not that their drug addled brains could have processed that thought.

      • John Smith

        Yeah, they’re black, hence very stupid.

      • Veritas

        And therein lies the problem. If blacks cooperated with the police when stopped (like just about everyone else does) they wouldn’t put themselves in situations where these things happen.

        • pennawhytmn

          As a younger man, high school and college, I was known as a bit of a hellraiser. Nothing extremely serious and never any victims, unless one calls streetfighting with other WILLING participants, “crime”. And we quit when one guy, or one side gave up. But the point is, I had many times, even later in life, where I was doing something illegal, and if scrutinized more by police, could have ended up in a lot more trouble. Many of us were young and “defiant”, but we knew that when pulled over by or questioned by the police, it was time to be as honest, and cooperative as possible. It was time to become very meek and humble, very fast. “Yes SIR. No SIR. Whatever you say, SIR”. Blacks just have such low intelligence, low impulse control, and poor future time orientation, along with being taught that the Police are the enemy, they have no capability of acting in such ways.

          • MBlanc46

            It’s so simple. They are authorized to use lethal force to subdue you. But blacks just have to show the world what hard-arses they are. Can’t do the sensible thing, oh no. Got to show the cop who beez a man.

          • Lexonaut

            “Blacks just have such low intelligence, low impulse control, and poor
            future time orientation, along with being taught that the Police are the
            enemy, they have no capability of acting in such ways.”

            Right. They can’t help themselves from being the way they are. It’s important to remember this because it’s what makes them extremely dangerous and therefore people who are to be avoided if at all reasonably possible.

            Most of them aren’t evil in the usual meaning of the word. They’re simply ticking time bombs.

    • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

      These are subhuman!! If they were human taxpayers would not be keeping them up?

    • Irish

      Speeding away from the police would certainly more than imply guilt.. I have gotten many, many tickets over the years (mostly when I was younger). Never in a million would I have even thought about running from them..I know if I’m a Police Officer I’m assuming I have a dangerous felon on my hands. Couple that with the car backfiring, and the chase at over a hundred miles per hour putting countless lives at risk, involving dozen of units and I’m convinced of it..I’m sorry their dead..If you run from , or fight with the law very bad things are going to happen to you.

      • SoulInvictus

        I had an 800hp car when I was younger and dumber.
        There may or may not have been some street racing.
        Never in a million years would I have dreamed that dodging the results of that could result in getting shot to death.
        Cars are not that difficult to disable.

        • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

          Of course, disabling 800hp cars involved in high speed police chases may well turn out no better for the driver than being shot.

      • Tarczan

        Everyone is saying it was a backfire because they never found a gun. Twenty two miles is plenty of room to throw a gun out the window.

        • Lexonaut

          What fool being chased by the cops would shoot at a stationary cop car? That makes no sense even by black violence standards.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            Oh. Respectfully, I suggest that you underestimate black violence standards.

          • Lexonaut

            They certainly have no compunctions about killing each other. All I can do is speculate just as you are doing.

          • Tarczan

            What fool being chased by the cops would shoot at a stationary cop car?

            One high on crack and alcohol.

          • Lexonaut

            You have a point there.

      • bilderbuster

        Their stupid part and their violent part are bound to cross paths from time to time.

    • Snazzy Snook

      You might want to vent your frustrations over at the Huffington post ..
      Why in the hell are you even on this site ?
      I’m sure ,wait, no, I’m positive if the “blacks” that you so adore, pulled over, handed the officer his lic. and reg,.that he would have driven away, about 10 minutes later, with a warning or a ticket ..

      • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

        Exactly, like cops are going to just execute blacks without a really good reason, knowing how much “Black lives matter” and how they’ll get the Darren Wilson treatment. I don’t think that they want to deal with all that.

        • SoulInvictus

          There have been a lot of instances lately of cops assaulting or shooting, or strangling, or pepper spraying, or tasing, people (black and white) for a lot less than this.
          An anti-black dysfunction stance does not necessitate support of the police state.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Hmm, good point. I am definitely not pro-police because I have been harassed by them many times for no reason. I suppose I shouldn’t let my virulent black hatred cloud my better judgment here.

          • SoulInvictus

            Like the rest of the government, they have in no way earned my trust or respect. So they don’t get the benefit of it.
            I expect every word to be a lie, and they seldom confound my expectations.
            They are always guilty until proven innocent because I don’t blindly trust corrupt known liars.
            When they show me different, I’ll extend courtesy beyond what I’m forced to by them holding the guns to our collective heads (whether that be cops, IRS, or office holders).

            Why would I trust the same institutions that would happily shutter this site, disarm every one of us, and so on… with the self-same troops and cops that we’re supposed to revere as their enforcement arm.

          • Lexonaut

            I have to ask a question. If you review American history in your mind, what is the latest date you’d consider government at all levels to have been reasonably trustworthy in an institutional sense? (There always were bad apples, I’m not talking about those.)

          • SoulInvictus

            That’s a tough question. I have a pretty decent grasp of history, but you can really only speak to the events of your lifetime.
            And in that span, none.
            I think Kennedy had some good ideas before they killed him. At least he was making some moves about taking the Fed apart and having the US actually print its own money. That is certainly a step forward.
            Honestly though, my analysis is that anything post-Buchanan (Lincoln) was progressing towards federal tyranny/centralized power/police state/empire/corruption. Hitting warp speed after 1913 with creation of the Fed and IRS.
            But then in my view, the post-Lincoln government was no longer the United States of revolutionary America and Washington, the one the States signed on for, and is therefore illegitimate.

            In general though, pre-1900-1950-ish is probably the last time the government was still pretty trustworthy and answerable to the people. In that era the influence of bankers, spies, and commies rose, and the government ran headlong towards tyranny.

          • Lexonaut

            “… you can really only speak to the events of your lifetime.”

            Indeed.

          • As an ex-con on the Terrorist Watch List, I should have good reason to despise police, but they are almost always fair with me, and they certainly beat the alternative.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            You’re lucky. I was constantly and repeatedly harassed by them, simply for having a job where I got off work late at night. I am not a criminal, never have been, and it was infuriating to know that they were messing with me simply to fill a “white person” quota. This happened to lots of other white people I knew, family members (one had a cop flat out lie about the supposed offense committed). It was especially infuriating because there was no shortage of real crime committed by minorities, of course, that was virtually ignored because white “offenders” brought in the revenue with almost zero risk to the cop. You had no way to complain about mistreatment because if you did, then you would be targeted and harassed by them mercilessly. It was the beginning of a police state and I’m certain it’s only gotten worse in that particular area.

            I did know a few decent ones but they were few and far between.

          • Lexonaut

            ” I suppose I shouldn’t let my virulent black hatred cloud my better judgment here.”

            No, you shouldn’t. We stand a better chance of reaching a peaceful separation of the races if we acknowledge and deal with the Bad Guys on our side. To do so increases our credibility, and it is also the Right Thing to do.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Of course, you’re right.

          • MBlanc46

            True, this is a point that we need to always keep in mind. But a 22-mile, high speed car chase isn’t freedom fighting.

          • SoulInvictus

            “But a 22-mile, high speed car chase isn’t freedom fighting.”

            No, it’s not. Just like shooting an unarmed passenger in a halted vehicle 20 times in the head and torso isn’t “policing”.
            It’s a car chase, not Fellujah.

          • MBlanc46

            In my view, it doesn’t have to be Fallujah for people who recklessly endanger the life and limb of dozens of people to have rough justice executed upon them.

      • Jim

        “….the ‘blacks’ that you so adore….”

        If you’d bother to read some of the other posts by Kees Roma (accessed through Disqus), I think you’d find that this person isn’t a liberal shill. Not at all. Most comments seem to mirror the general sentiment of most people on this site.

        This shooting seems to be, on the surface, quite different from Ferguson or Baltimore or Trayvon. And the verdict is puzzling. It seems to be somewhere between the Ferguson case and the Walter Scott shooting in terms of justifiable homicide; there are enough logical inconsistencies to make it proper for anyone, regardless of their political or racial views, to question the actions of the police and judiciary.

        Yes, this case will unfairly get more media attention than the recent murder of a young white policewoman in Omaha the other day by a black criminal (per the media’s liberal and anti-white bias) but that doesn’t mean that all of our “truth switches” should be turned off because of the races of those involved. I truly believe that the police will, someday, start coming after those of us who defend white culture and rights, so what the cops are getting away with today will have a direct impact on us in the future.

        • Lexonaut

          “… what the cops are getting away with today will have a direct impact on us in the future.”

          Correct. If the bad cops aren’t opposed then the cops will get uppity and dangerous to whites just as black folks have done.

      • Lexonaut

        “Why in the hell are you even on this site ?”

        I don’t speak for Jared Taylor but I doubt he intends this site to be an echo chamber for only people who see things the way you do. Over at Mediaite I’ve been mentioning the existence of AmRen with the specific intent of attracting people of differing views in hopes that some of them will come here, at least read posts for an extended period, wake up as so many of us have done, and return to Mediaite — and maybe even Huffpo — to help spread the race realism word.

        • bilderbuster

          They’ll spread it once on Huffpo and be banned forever.

          • Lexonaut

            Thanks for the warning. I won’t be posting there.

          • bilderbuster

            Huffpo was getting negative posts for their articles by like a hundred to every positive one so they want your email address too.

          • Lexonaut

            So they have a way of finding out who they want other people to crucify?

          • bilderbuster

            That and to get rid of the majority of the critics who were legion.

    • Tarczan

      They did, in fact. The judge also said that the officers reasonably feared for their lives. The two lovers met at some kind of drug rehab program. It failed as they were both high on crack and alcohol. The bullets were damaged by going through the windshield, making positive ID impossible.

      The gun could have been thrown anywhere along the twenty-two mile chase route.

      There is a video of the beginning of the chase. It began right at the main police station. All they had to do was stop. The man had a history of fleeing the police, he had three previous episodes like this one.

      The reason there were so many cop cars was because the police had cars stationed at major intersections of the chase, and when they passed that point they joined in.

    • Lexonaut

      “Before, not AFTER, a 22 mile chase? Sorry…can’t go there…and uh…what?”

      In all fairness the chase after a broken tail lights traffic stop was already underway. The victims passed a parked police car at a high rate of speed. As they did so their car backfired (maybe from backing off the accelerator?), the newly involved officer called the dispatcher to report a shot fired at him and that he was joining the chase, and the rest is history.

  • Lady Texas

    Couple? This old lady sees two men!

    • Lady Texas

      Two black men!!

      • John Smith

        Now you know why negro men like the white women – it’s easier to tell they are women.

        • Jim

          This is true. It’s called sexual dimorphism, and it’s more evident among whites than blacks. Yes, of course…there are unattractive and masculine looking white women, too. But there seems to be less difference between black males and females by comparison. It’s why black women with a large degree of European ancestry have been (and still are) far more attractive to black males.

      • bilderbuster

        Two UGLY Black men!!

    • Jason Lewis

      I’m suprised the media didnt use their pictures from when they were 12 years old.

      • Light from the East

        The media should interview their parents and friends to get some information about them like “good kids”, “entering the college”, “having a promising future”, etc. Oops, this one won’t work because they are already 43 and 30 and probably we can’t find their parents too.

        • bilderbuster

          They’re easy to find. They’re the ones filing the lawsuits.

  • Jim

    Yeah, this one is a little iffy. But why do blacks always run from the cops? They forget that it’s illegal to do that. They ACTUALLY think they’re going to get away.

    • Cid Campeador

      Blacks have a propensity to attract police attention or any other attention available. Why did the guy in Baltimore take off running after making eye contact with the police officers? Even negative attention somehow fulfills them.
      Brelo seemed to be hotdogging as well. Jumping onto the hood of a car and firing multiple rounds into the windshield was excessive.
      I realize that the cops have been suffering justifiable paranoia but this was over the top.
      The only solution, other than repatriation which will never happen, is Black cops exclusively in Black neighborhoods.

      • DewDew

        You know the car was moving right?

        • SoulInvictus

          “stood on the car’s hood when it was stopped and shot 15 times into the windshield.”

    • Speedy Steve

      The negro exists to make life as inconvenient and costly as possible, all the while contributing nothing more than gregarious jolliness.

      • baldowl

        They produce noise, crime, and more negros. That’s it.

        • Lexonaut

          There’s no purpose to life. In that sense we are all equal. However, some of us are way less equal than others.

    • HE2

      But why do blacks always run from the cops?
      Probably a safe bet that almost one hundred percent of the time the runner has contraband on board, [in this case, a crack pipe], or multiple outstanding warrants for arrest, jumped bail bonds, failures to appear, and yada yada, the list goes on.
      Ever watch Bait Car? Almost all of the captured car thieves have one or all of the above.

    • TCA

      They’re stupid?

      • Usually Much Calmer

        Ding ding ding!

    • ElComadreja

      Because every damn black you see is guilty of something.

  • Hose ’em brother Brelo! Hose ’em down good!

    • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

      Where you been have seen u lately?

  • Rev. Jesse B. Redneck

    Well they do brag about how tuff they are?

  • >> Prosecutors said Brelo, 31, was one of 13 officers who fired 137 times into the couple’s car in the November 2012 shooting. The 22-mile, high-speed chase through Cleveland began when an officer tried pulling over Russell for a turn signal violation. His car backfired while speeding away, causing officers to think someone in the car had fired a gun.

    1) How come no innocent bystanders die in such chases? One would expect that in running 100 stop signs, 10 red lights, 10 wrong ways, etc some mom with a baby stroller would get run over. Or a few motorcycles, biciclists, and a car full of young people. How come, ever since OJ Simpsonn, these people don’t kill people on the road?

    2) if you are a criminal, always do good maintenance to your car and get the best gas. So your car does not backfire. Also have all your turn lights work

    3) When you are a thug, meticulously obey traffic laws in order not to give cause for stopping.

    4) Blacks have the constitutional right to resist, fight, flee police by all means necessary to evade arrest.

    5) Police were unlucky. Had they been whites, no legal proceedings would have been started.

    5) Over 100 shots and acquittal? Though merited after 22 miles of high speed chase, it is against our laws. So there must be some details we were not told. Maybe the car did not stop even after 100 shots. Or something

    • SoulInvictus

      “Though merited after 22 miles of high speed chase”

      Serious question, why is speeding and evasion worthy of a death sentence? I’ve known people that only got a reckless driving ticket for exactly the same thing back before they invented “felony evasion”. But hey, isn’t just about everything a felony nowadays…

      I think very soon everyone is going to realize these aren’t the flavor of jackbooted thugs they were looking for.

      • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

        Oh it is. We’re dealing with the IRS now and I guarantee it’s because of our political views. And probably my online commenting.

        • SoulInvictus

          Very likely… good luck with that man. Seriously.
          Just remember not to run away from the IRS agents.;)

          News at 11, Tragic misunderstanding leads to death, Silver lining, hate-monger slain.
          Known online among racist, supremacist sites as Mangostein, $1000 chair, the suspect was shot repeatedly upon raising his voice in an aggressive manner towards the revenue agents. “He appeared to be reaching for a weapon, we later discovered it was only a calculator”.
          His spouse was inadvertently fatally wounded as well in the exchange. The surviving children will be placed in a group home to be taught the values of diversity and miscegenation.

          Stranger things have happened. Just saying, no sudden moves.;)
          (and illustrating the absurdity on multiple levels, like how my scenario doesn’t even seem that far fetched anymore.)

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Yeah…I’ve pictured that exact scenario in my mind many, many times. Remember Randy Weaver? I do.

          • The feds repeatedly called Randy Weaver’s house a “bunker” in reports.

          • John Smith

            The Feds plant the lies and the MSM run with them.

          • bilderbuster

            Their sniper shot Mrs.Weaver in the head while she was holding her 8 month daughter and repeatedly called that an accident too.

          • SoulInvictus

            Exactly what I was thinking of. And to think, regardless of which version of the story you agree with (Feds or Weaver) it all started with shooting the man’s dog.
            Fun fact: Cops shoot over 10,000 dogs a year. Many times with the incidents being as absurd as shooting a Chihuahua for being “menacing”. Seriously.
            http://wwwDOTprisonplanetDOTcom/the-program-to-execute-dogs-revealed.html

          • bilderbuster

            Several years ago cops shot my friend’s unleashed dog in his front yard in front of his wife and 3 year old son because the dog barked at them.

          • SoulInvictus

            But…but…everyone tells me how awake and on our side the loving cops are.
            In cop world, “you’re either a cop, or little people”-Bladerunner.

        • bilderbuster

          I had a relative who sued the DOJ in Federal Court under the Carter administration and he won. Does anyone think the IRS didn’t audit him and his business associates for years afterward?

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            You can’t fight City Hall…or the Federal Government. I hope it turned out OK for him in the end, or as OK as possible.

          • bilderbuster

            He spent plenty of money on accountants and they’d waste a couple of weeks of his valuable time every year. He had to keep receipts for everything including 50 cent road tolls when traveling.
            After a few weeks of the audit they’d always find a few hundred dollars discrepancy (After all that time they had to find something to justify what they were doing).

      • blanjm5

        Please realize that most local cops are race realists who love liberty and signed to help civilized society. Every single one I know is pro 2a and anti-negro.

        • SoulInvictus

          Yup, they love liberty so much they’ll obey orders and lock you up for trivial crap every time. I can positively feel the liberty pouring off them… Do the cops refuse to enforce restrictions on the Second Amendment in places like NYC? Did they suddenly stop tasering and pepper spraying down the throat of unarmed and peaceful white protesters? Have they stopped shooting 10,000 dogs a year for sadistic fun?
          They definitely talk the way you describe in their off time but on the job, “you’re either a cop, or little people.”
          Everyone knows this and they wear it like a giant chip on their shoulder. Now that the blacks and Feds are in their face, suddenly they want white sympathy and support when they’ve been tools of the system stacked against us for so long.

          Sorry, you’re barking up the wrong tree looking for cop sympathy.
          They will without doubt be the stormtroopers that eventually kick down your door, take your kids, take your guns, and take your life if you resist. They Protect and Serve the government and corporations, not the people.

          Now they want our support… laughable. Welcome to the feeling of standing alone against the system. Sucks doesn’t it.
          When the police align with whites, publicly and even upon losing their jobs, then I will absolutely be supportive. Just as I was supportive of Daren Wilson.

        • blanjm5

          I’m not looking for sympathy.

          You’re painting with a very broad brush and you know it. I was simply pointing out that you’re incorrect in regards to MANY, MANY officers. Even if infowars tells you otherwise.

  • crockadoodle6

    Does the cop get to back to work or does he now get the DOJ version of a 3 year colonoscopy for ‘violation of the black couple’s civil rights’?

    • John Smith

      They’re at least 0-2 on those, you’d think they’d just stop, but these ARE the punishment inflicted.

    • Lexonaut

      I believe I read that he’s on paid leave of absence, no indication of how long.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Law enforcement are regularly placed in potential life-threatening situations because every routine stop of a nigro — even for banal and trivial reasons — becomes either a foot-chase or a vehicular chase at high speed…

    • Lexonaut

      It’s true of stops of whites, too. If stopped I always drape my hands loosely over the top of the steering wheel and leave them there until asked to do something, at which time I move calmly and slowly. I keep my wallet in my left hip pocket and always tell the cop that, asking if it’s okay for me to reach for it.

  • RonanTheLibtardian

    I believe the “armed” portion of this program was the car itself.
    Dindu(s) fleeing “…duh Poh-leese…” in cars at high speed kill more innocents than ISIS.

    • John Smith

      Kinda like how a thuggish negro beating a person armed with a firearm and trying to take it is “unarmed.”

  • Speedy Steve

    Wait until the “demonstrators ” find out that George Soros will not pay them. Then they’ll complain about slavery — rioting for no money.

    • Alexandra1973

      Never mind that during riots they get five-finger discounts on stuff.

      Talk about ungrateful….

  • SoulInvictus

    I know most readers here see this as a feel good story… I can’t help but take a different lesson from it, that apparently high speed evasion is now cause for roadside execution, even after the car is stopped. Court sanctioned Judge Dredd behavior.
    Could the cops not have shot the tires when it was halted (or more easily, the radiator), when was the last time you heard a modern car backfire?

    Sorry, upon seeing more details emerge about the Waco biker rally shooting, I’m not exactly feeling all warm and fuzzy about the police state’s penchant for the old ultra-violence. No matter how undesirable the recipients were.
    As disgusting as the “martyrs” are, as stupid and counterproductive as the self-immolating riots are, at least blacks can muster the gumption to resist, such as they do.
    When was the last time a group of whites massed in support of…well anyone, wronged by the system. The Bundy Ranch incident is about the only thing I can remember, and certainly no mass protest for anyone gunned own by cops.
    There AmRen, you finally managed to elicit a pro-black comment from me.

    Think about it this way (ignore who was driving the car for a moment), these cops riddled a car with bullets for something we used to watch with amusement in Smokey and the Bandit or Dukes of Hazard. Maybe there are more extenuating circumstances with the case I’m unaware of, but that doesn’t sit well with me.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Its the old they do it to them, they will do it to us.Nice post.

      • SoulInvictus

        And when, not if, they do it to us… no one will be rioting in the street demanding justice.
        Anyone (like you) that has read any of my posts knows I’m certainly no fan of black dysfunction, but that doesn’t make me supportive of police dysfunction just because they catch hell from it.

        • Whitetrashgang

          Its the old Russia story, people were to scared to do anything so a relative small army takes over and controls and or murders anyone they don’t like. But the population armed only with their bare hands could of taken back the whole country. Its always the police or army doing the dirty work.

          • SoulInvictus

            Yup, and we are a hair away from an Australian style gun seizure.
            And at that point, anyone who retains an illegal firearm will be a felon and/or domestic terrorist.

            The Senate just proved they’ll pass massively disliked legislation like the TPP. I seriously doubt they’d have much more issue with gun control if the right palms are greased or blackmailed.

            Then you’re definitely looking at a visit from this same variety of overzealous cops. Don’t think it can happen? They already did it in New Orleans during Katrina. To white neighborhoods, unaffected by the storm.
            Or well, try legally owning a gun in NYC or similar areas.

          • Forever forbidden firarmes wanted a sub-machine-shotgun, I would just make one.

          • Lexonaut

            Geez, MCS. Even John Browning felt there should be limits.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking:
            What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward”.

            Solzhenitsyn told us…and we’re still not listening. What does it take to wake people up?? Do they really think the government won’t come for them, eventually?

          • SoulInvictus

            “What does it take to wake people up??”

            A Lot, apparently.

            “Do they really think the government won’t come for them, eventually?”

            Honestly, the only people that do have a realistic fear of the government (in regards to cops anyway) is black people.
            Theirs for the short term (and somewhat justified by their criminality), ours for the long term (knowing that we stand in the direct path obstructing their total power and control).

          • Sick of it

            You should be more worried about the federal agencies whose only job is, apparently, to screw over white people. They don’t arrest many criminals and they do not protect the border or evict illegal immigrants. They are ALL political agencies. They consider us terrorists.

        • bilderbuster

          If Whites ever do riot in the streets then we will see what the cops can really do with all of the police state weapons that they refused to use in Ferguson and Baltimore.

          • SoulInvictus

            If whites ever finally realized the con they’ve been seduced into and riot in the streets… they won’t be doing so with rocks, or looting CVS. The police state will need those toys. And that’s why they have them.
            Obviously hoses and tear gas work fine against blacks… so what other reason is there…

    • Sick of it

      Is it bad that I prefer Judge Dredd to this current system? I’d feel safer.

    • It was blacks, so I just don’t care. When Channon Christian is alive again, maybe I’ll give a rip.

  • Jason Lewis

    I do see some incompetence on the part of the police but it still comes down to if they had pulled over the outcome would have been different.

    • SoulInvictus

      Driver and passenger shot more than 20 times, while the car was stopped.
      And unarmed.

      The article doesn’t mention whether the car was forcibly stopped or whether they did indeed pull over. The whole thing stinks unless there is more to the story.
      Carjacking, just left an armed robbery, tried to run down cops, kids, something.

      • Jason Lewis

        Sounds so far like simple fleeing from the police in a vehicle. Sounds like one of the officers called out shots fired. That with a fleeing vehicle is gonna make the adrenaline start pumping. Officers are suppose to control that but bad things can happen when you run or resist. One segment of society seems to not understand that.

        • SoulInvictus

          Run or resist, for any crime, even if unarmed, equals potential death sentence.

          I think we all understand that now. If not, it should be codified into law for all the peasants to understand. Flee from or struggle against the King’s men and you will be cut down regardless of the severity of the crime.
          That’s how it’s supposed to be in the colonies.

          If we’ve gone that far down the rat hole, then we don’t deserve to claim Washington’s legacy and should refer to ourselves as the colonies again.

          • Lexonaut

            I agree with you. Kindly see my remarks above on this case, about two hours newer than yours.

          • Sick of it

            The legacy of the Founders was killed by this government in the 19th century. Also, fyi, we used to kill thieves and such without compunction. We had less crime. Almost every black person is a thief…you should know that by now.

          • Jason Lewis

            I totally understand what you’re saying. I think Washington would be ashamed as to what America has turned into. I do think he would expect us to act civilized and pull over and accept the ticket and go to court and allow the system to work. If we are now to the point of being colonies he would expect us to pick up our rifles.

      • IstvanIN

        They had to be up to something, notice that the photos are mug shots from a previous, and apparently, a recent arrest.

        • SoulInvictus

          I’m not saying they were exceptional people or a great loss to humanity, merely that speeding does not warrant an 137 bullet fusillade.

          • IstvanIN

            I actually agree with much, if not all, of what you have written. I am trying to think of a reason these two decided to endanger the public with a high speed chase.

          • SoulInvictus

            Yeah, don’t get me wrong… if this chase route led them a few feet from children playing, they tried to crush cops barricading the road, tried to Deathrace 5000 a nursing home, anything… then sure, light it up like Christmas morning.
            But the fact that it sounds like the police were really, reeeeally, reaching for a justification (a backfire?) reeks of bs and trigger happy cops.

          • nexus974

            The cop who pulled the gun on you was trying to intimidate you into not carrying your legal weapon. Then he tried to make you think he was doing you a favor by putting his gun to your face.

          • SoulInvictus

            Mission accomplished then.
            Having someone with a badge and the full legal right to splatter your brains for feeling “threatened” (by a holstered and untouched gun) point their barrel inches from your head, it has a way of sticking with you.
            I’d honestly be less scared in an actual gunfight than sitting there wondering if I’m getting put down at any moment like a dog.

          • John Smith

            The only thing good to come of these riots is the push toward body cams. Too many cops treat everyone they stop, black or white, young or old, like Bonnie and Clyde.

          • SoulInvictus

            It is revealing to me, that upon the advent of body cam technology and especially in the wake of rising public discontent with law enforcement tactics, that cops are not clamoring for body cams as CYA.
            That tells me plenty about systemic corruption. They want cameras on us at all times, them, not so much.

          • John Smith

            Watch them threaten folks who film them.

          • SoulInvictus

            They’re doing better than that. Some places are pushing laws to make it illegal to film them in public.

          • I’d like to do other things than that to them in public, and all of them who have ever spoken with me understands just that,

          • pennawhytmn

            That’swin/win proposition. I say raise my taxes enough to pay for them for every officer in the country. They can notate the amount taken from my wages, and I will be happy to have paid them. It would cost a few cents if every taxpayer chips in. That would take away anywhere on average, 75% of the question pertaining to these types of incidents. In many cases, 100%. Far more convictions of criminals would result, and many of the questions of whether Police were using excessive force. All for it. Defense attorneys worst nightmare..

          • LAGERTHA

            I agree, I was stopped one night because my cowgirl hat was too big, and maybe my jeans too tight. He asked me about my hat..hmm…yes officer, I’m meeting my husband for a drink tonight.

          • They came over here and when they asked me if I could come outside, I snarled “No” in a voice I didn’t know I had, I didn’t actually know I had that voice inside me. It was all the hate in the universe distilled down into one syllable. They left. Nobody wants to get killed for a living.

          • LAGERTHA

            Sayaka sounds like a close friend of mine. I’ll take her over 10 wimpy-white betas, any day.

          • She wrote to me when I was locked up. How could I not have married her?

          • Diana Moon Glampers

            Why do they come after elections?

          • They almost always pull guns on me. Ain’t not thang.

          • SoulInvictus

            Uh huh. Until it is.

          • Eventually one ought to stop being afraid. I cooperate with cops because it pleases me to do so. There was one who was not so happy after charges were dropped. She looked completely panicked in the courtroom, and took the stairs, while I took the elevator.

            She was terrified of me, and ran away to the basement cafeteria, while I walked to the bus station to go home.

            That was quite a difference from her pistol at the back of my head five months earlier.

          • SoulInvictus

            Half the time I’m sure they do pull the trigger out of fear.
            Fear, anger, doesn’t matter either way if you’re the one eating the bullet. And obviously the law isn’t any kind of restraint upon them any more.
            I have kids, my life isn’t solely mine to be selfish and stupid with.

          • I once hated my life. I wished I was dead, but I’m not sure now.

          • SoulInvictus

            Remember back when they were all about “To Serve and Protect”.

            Though I guess maybe they were being honest… because it never stipulates who that refers to. But their actions illustrate crystal clearly that it certainly isn’t us.

          • Kenner

            Check with Sayaka and Ariadne, and get back to us.

          • You’re right. It is pretty great these days.

  • Vito Powers

    There’s a report that cocaine was found in the bodies of the Negroes. Most likely, it was planted in them by the white devil racist cops.

    Medical examiner: Cleveland chase suspects Timothy Russell, Malissa Williams had cocaine in system

    http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/medical-examiner-cleveland-chase-suspects-timothy-russell-malissa-williams-had-cocaine-in-system

    The report, released Friday by the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner’s Office, said 43-year-old Timothy Russell and 30-year-old Malissa Williams both tested positive for cocaine.

    The lab report for Russell showed his blood contained cocaine and blood alcohol content of .131. A test of his urine confirmed the cocaine and also showed nicotine in his system.

    For Williams, the toxicology report showed she had caffeine and cocaine in her blood. The urine test confirmed the cocaine and also tested positive for nicotine and marijuana.

    An investigator with the ME’s office said the presence of anhydroecgonine methyl ester in both of their systems indicates that the cocaine may have been smoked instead of snorted, as that chemical is a byproduct of cocaine being smoked.

    • Lexonaut

      How is any of this relevant to the guilt or innocence of officer Brelo?

    • kikz2

      you know there’s a new transdermal fingerprint test out for that now, it picks up on the methyl esters that metabolize through the skin and can determine whether the cocaine was simply handled or ingested.

  • Lady Texas

    Memorial day riot?

    • Lexonaut

      Probably. That will have given them time to coordinate with DOJ, the Crips and the Bloods, and the Oakland NBPP, and for DOJ to send their 40-person civil rights violations flying squad into Cleveland.

      • Lady Texas

        just remember black thug gangs aren’t trying to shoot the police, the gangs themselves “said so”!!

        • Lexonaut

          It took me a while to place your avatar — the Isobel Crawley character from Downton Abbey, yes?

          • Lady Texas

            Nope, it’s me!

          • Lexonaut

            Well, google “downton abbey cast” and look for her photo. You’ll be startled by the resemblance.

      • kikz2

        don’t forget the Dallas NBPP contingent…. on second thought, it might’ve been so quiet due to black bike wk, many of them may’ve been in Myrtle Beach.. i heard they didn’t have fun, and whined to the NAACP for not being allowed to run wild; no one died, by gunshot as of yet this year, although there was a shooting, kidnappings, and traffic deaths.

        • Lexonaut

          You could be right. However, owning a Harley suggests a different class of black, one who has a job to go to every day. (I’m not going to say work, just goes to a job.) The rioters, and especially the coordinators, cannot possibly be people who work.

          • kikz2

            good point.. well taken.

      • Tarczan

        Rev Al is on his way.

  • From Ohio

    I live only about 20 minutes from Cleveland, and several of my family members work for or in Cleveland, we all thought there was going to be riots. But I am glad to be surprised that there’s not.

    • Lady Texas

      The weekends not over yet.

      • None of our nation’s professional rioters have regular jobs, so they’re available during workweeks as well. My suspicion is that since it is early afternoon in Cleveland as I type, none of them are awake yet.

        • Lexonaut

          I’m confident they’re coordinating with DOJ. Ohio and Cleveland can’t be allowed to get away with anti-rioting procedures that actually work.

        • Lady Texas

          I always forget about the fact that many of these inner city blacks don’t have jobs, where I live, at least the Mexicans work.

    • John Smith

      It could build up for a week, until Soros gets his whole crew flown in.

    • Tarczan

      We are very proud of our negroes.

  • Lexonaut

    At the risk of taking some heat I must say a couple of things about this case ..

    I read the judge’s opinion till just past the point where he stated his position on the main issue of the case as he saw it, which was this …

    The judge concluded that, based on medical evidence, the victims were already dying at the time that Brelo jumped onto the hood of the car and emptied his Glock into the occupants. Therefore Brelo cannot have been the cause of the victims’ deaths. Therefore he cannot be guilty of manslaughter.

    To reach this conclusion the judge cherry picked the medical evidence. That’s fine, he’s allowed to do that. However, a different judge might well have interpreted the medical evidence differently and quite reasonably found Brelo guilty.

    So … The case hinged on some very fine legal points. I believe that a jury would have said “Legal, shmegal. This cop is a killer and we’re going to convict him of manslaughter.” That certainly is my own position.

    The prosecution didn’t file a charge of attempted murder. Had they done so I suspect that even this judge would have had to find him guilty, because even though the attempt may have been unsuccessful (the victims were already dying), Brelo most certainly intended to kill them, and he had to swap magazines to do it, proving premeditation.

    • John Smith

      Some folks just need killin’.

  • Rob

    Look at the pics of the drug users that got killed. Did their lives matter???? Nope.

    • John Smith

      Taxpayers saved hundreds of thousands….

  • GAWZ

    The “demonstrators” were pepper spraying white people who were seated at outdoor cafes.

    • Lexonaut

      Well … It’s non-lethal so it’s non-violent so it’s peaceful so it’s okay. You have a problem with this?

      • GAWZ

        You need to change the color of those hands on that typewriter.

        • Lexonaut

          And you may need a new sarcasm detector. I can sell you one at a low price. Are you interested?

          • GAWZ

            I know you just being sarcastic. I was being mean. Sorry.

          • Lexonaut

            No worries, I thought you were being serious. Now …

            I’ve heard of blackface. Are you seriously proposing, for forum appearances, that I come in blackhands?

          • GAWZ

            Don’t change a thing. I haven’t used a manual typewriter since the early 80s,

          • Lexonaut

            It’s a Remington, the kind I learned to type on in the early 60s. I actually got up to 50 wpm.

          • Ohmy!

            I learned to type on an electric typewriter (back in the late 70’s), in my high school typewriting class. Boy, was that a NOISY class!

          • My Give-A-Damn-O-Meter broke when Trayvon Martin was shot; in spite of constant media pity-hype, I just don’t give a rip about blacks.

          • Lexonaut

            No. It was stolen by … drum roll please … the next future innocent unarmed black teen to be murdered by racist white cops. The kid will have been turning his life around when it was cut short by my entrapment of him.

            I’m thinking of starting a reality TV show … Bait G-A-D-O-Meter.

          • A G-A-D-O-Meter should be shooting off sparks and have “Radiation Hazard” warning signs.

          • Lexonaut

            Package them as wheel spinners?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            One day there may be a wolf … Who would believe them?

          • I am not afraid of the Big Bad Wolf. Some of my friends had one named Roxanne. I slept on their floor between their sofa and coffee table and she curled up next to me. Roxie used to howl when I sang the old song by Sting to her. She ran at about 150 pounds. Glenn and Julie were a tad worried about Roxie once they had Gretchen. Not to worry: Roxie was very, very protective of Gretchen. She thought that was her little girl.

            Wolves are quite OK.

          • Lexonaut

            Whaddaya know … I’m a flight simulation guy myself though I haven’t flown in two years. For FS2004 I spent several years tinkering to come up with a heavily customized 727-223 ADV — intercontinental range, accurate flight dynamics, dual working ADFs as well as dual VORs, autothrottle, weather radar, terrain avoidance radar, landing view, sightseeing cruising view … and an authentic late 50s Sperry flight director.

          • John Smith

            Hell, I thought it was a day for public celebration. Nipped a niglet right in the bud.

    • kikz2

      i’ve heard this tactic is becoming popular w/many of the females, spraying unwitting Whites for fun, as witty retort in argument, and/or before attack and/or mugging.

      • ghettovalley

        I have never in my life put my hands on a woman. But if some negress pepper sprayed me I would punch her in the face as hard as I possibly could.

        • kikz2

          that wouldn’t actually qualify as hitting a woman ;)… in any event.. forewarned is forearmed…

  • B.E.L.

    Nobody ever brings up the fact that if these miscreants would just obey the law none of this would have happened in the first place. This applies to people of all races, if the police tell you to do something, do it. It is as simple as that, but yet people act surprised when they resist arrest or run from the police and they get hurt. What did they think was going to happen?

    All races have idiots, the difference being that blacks seem to have more and tend to resist arrest more often than anyone else, but then have this complete support system behind their criminality. In their backwards world, the black criminal that resists arrest is actually the good guy and the police that arrest him are the bad guys.

    • Refraining from smoking crack and then leading police on a 100+ mph car chase would seem a good policy. I don’t do those things, and they haven’t shot me to pieces. I don’t use drugs at all, and do my drinking either at home or at my next-door neighbor’s place.

      It’s partly the toxic level of entitlement blacks possess. They think the rules don’t apply to them, so having to stop for the police is a terrible infringement of their blacknitude.

    • Lexonaut

      ” In their backwards world, the black criminal that resists arrest is
      actually the good guy and the police that arrest him are the bad guys.”

      This is because they lack consciences and are in fact narcissistic psychopaths. The problem is never that they’ve done something wrong, it’s that the police keep trying to interfere with their freedom.

      We saw this in the O.J. Simpson and Jodi Arias (not black) cases, and we saw it in the case of Mike Brown, who did not want to be inconvenienced by having to get out of the street just because some cop was telling him to.

      The condition is so widespread among them that it’s clearly genetic. Therefore nothing can be done for them and separation of the races for this reason alone, never mind all the other reasons, is the only answer

      • kikz2

        my meager understanding of the issue…. White laws oppress and prevent Blacks from expressing their ultimate Blackness.

        translation: they’re not allowed to express their natural feral nature, they’re held to some level of accountability for their actions, and… it pisses em off.

        what’s not to love?

        • Lexonaut

          Authentically black is authentically bad news. These days I do everything I reasonably can to stay well clear of them.

          • kikz2

            i tred around them as i would a cotton mouth, water moccasin, or gator.

  • Sick of it

    This never would have happened if the retards had simply taken their ticket (or followed the law). Apparently they did not consider their lives worth more than a few bucks.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    How can the media possibly call these two afro sociopaths who are recklessly driving at over 90 MPH through city streets “unarmed”? They could have easily killed several people. I don’t care what color you are, if you endanger the public like that you deserve to be put down on the spot.

    • ghettovalley

      If you’re actively and intentionally trying to run over someone in your car you’re using it as a weapon. You are not unarmed at this point, in my opinion.

  • Eagle1212

    If blacks have the right to be angry, then they should be angry on why Obozo hasn’t provided them jobs or why those jobs always go to illegals instead. Then they would be working at least making minimum wage and not have a life of crime destroying cities for no reason.

    • Working an honest job is so 1950’s.

      • Tarczan

        That is the cost analysis that I am amazed criminals don’t use. “Let’s see, 500 bucks vs the risk of 15 to 20 years in the slammer with mean people; Two weeks of work will definitely give me the money. My crime caper might not be successful.”

  • The one on the right. Please don’t tell me that is a female.

    • anony

      That is a female… well, sort of… .

      • Alexandra1973

        Maybe the Q in LBGTQ doesn’t mean the person is questioning…but whoever’s looking at them is questioning….

        • Kenner

          Priceless…

    • ghettovalley

      Are you absolutely sure it is even human?

    • Jack Burton

      It’s convenient for transgendered black women, they don’t even need hormone therapy, just shave their head and dress like a man.

  • pennawhytmn

    Regardless of any other feelings about this case, I must say it is refreshing to know their are some “good ole boys” WHITE judges left. This could be one of those cases that Blacks attempt to say “happinz allda time dat dem white poh leese gitz away wibbit cuz dem criminals beez black.”, actually being true. At least not every white male judge has become emasculated to the point of throwing his own gender and race under the bus to bolster his career.

  • Jack Richards

    They should give him an award for reducing the welfare budget and thus the US National debt.

  • Lady Texas

    let’s all go riot and loot for two deranged blacks that led police on a chase at speeds of 100 or more miles per hour, while ramming two police cars.

    • While high on crack using welfare money the taxpayers forfeited.

      • ghettovalley

        They definitely look like they enjoy an occasional crack rock or two.

        • The toxicology report proved they’d been smoking crack.

          • ghettovalley

            Absolutely correct. I’m probably not the biggest fan of law enforcement, although I would not say that I hate them they certainly make me nervous. However I cooperate with their requests and I would not physically resist arrest. If you disagree with their behavior or feel your rights have been violated, it’s still best to just file a formal complaint and argue your case in court. Not on the side of the highway with physical force. This has never been a confusing or difficult concept for me to understand, but a certain segment of society can’t seem to wrap their minds around it.

    • Lexonaut

      The balloon may go up during the day today, LT. They’re mobilizing in the streets but no rough stuff yet and no arrests yet. It looks as if this is going to be a good source of live feeds …

      Oops, held for moderation. Google “cleveland live streaming video” and look for the Fox8 live streaming link.

  • Vito Powers

    Here’s a thought. Since so many Negroes complain that they are in fear of their lives, this may be the perfect time to offer them one-way airfare back to Mother Africa. As an extra inducement, we will even forward their public assistance money to their new addresses.

    “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

  • Lexonaut

    Well, folks, here’s another report from the war front — Mediaite that is. I continue to be amazed at what they’re permitting me to post. Below is the most interesting exchange of posts from this weekend …

    ====================

    Lexonaut …

    1 – Immediately pull all white cops out of all minority communities.
    2 – Encourage those communities to vote all whites out of decision-making offices.
    3 – Que sera sera.

    There would be white flight, and business flight, but my proposal would end the threat of riots because the evil white racist cop occupying army that supposedly is responsible for creating the conditions leading to the riots would no longer exist.

    Baltimore came close to this happy ideal but they still had white cops on the street, and at least one white police captain — and look what happened as a result.

    ——————–

    Pleiotropic …

    Or, instead, the police could continue to enforce the law, use appropriate and legal levels of force when truly required for defense of life and property, and avoid clear ethical/legal breaches such as chaining a restrained, unarmed suspect in a bouncing, moving van in such a way as to obviously invite serious injury.

    And hold the rare, occasional bad cop accountable for his/her actions. Just as with teachers, senators, bankers, professors, or any other profession.

    ——————–

    Lexonaut …

    Your approach simply doesn’t work, Pleiotropic. The killer Ferguson cop was given an award for superior service to the black community not long before the Mike Brown killing, yet nobody in the community wanted to consider the possibility that he was anything but a racist killer of innocent unarmed young black men.

    If the nation is to avoid either or both of martial law and a dictatorship, it has to be recognized that civilized people simply do not riot, loot and burn, and that those who riot, loot and burn are not civilized.

    Am I in effect calling for two sets of laws? Yes. We have that now anyway, I’m simply proposing to make it a little more formal. In other parts of the world they have autonomous zones, not unlike the Navajo Nation here in the USA. Let’s give the people what they want — white free zones policed and governed exclusively by minorities.

    ——————–

    Pleiotropic …

    I don’t fully agree with you, but I thank and commend you for your intelligent posting and civil tone. It stands in sharp contrast to the majority of postings here, which boil down essentially to an unmodulated shriek of “N*****s suck!”.

    ——————–

    Lexonaut …

    Even as recently as two years ago I would have been stunned to find myself writing what I wrote above. My position has been arrived at only after a long and painful consideration of what the nation has been going through. I’m 71 — things haven’t always been this way.

    • kikz2

      well, fair is fair.. if they get their District 9 Alien/Nation zones, Whites get their own as well.

      • Lexonaut

        “Whites get their own as well.”

        One step at a time. This first step might actually be achievable, even if it’s just abandoning the cities.

        • Due to HUD’s Section-8 program, even abandoning the cities isn’t working out, as the ghetto rats are promptly shipped out to the suburbs. There’s also the issue of forced busing, which leaves Johnny getting beaten up for his lunch money at a “vibrant” urban school instead of being allowed to walk to the one down the block. Finally, there’s the federal policy of settling Third- and Fourth-World economic parasites as “refugees” in what had earlier been relatively nice areas, such as the Somali flood into Lewiston, Maine.

          It’s just not going to work in the long run.

          • Lexonaut

            “It’s just not going to work in the long run.”

            I’ll settle for it working during my wife’s and my remaining lifetimes.

    • carriewhite64

      Good for you. You have apparently hit the correct tone for that site. Are you posting as Lexonaut? I cannot find any of your comments on Mediaite.

      • Lexonaut

        Yes, posting as Lexonaut. For an example, look for this article under “more posts”
        “Cleveland Police Officer Found Not Guilty …”. ( I’d post a link but these days whenever I do such posts are held for moderation on AmRen and rarely released. That’s fine, I understand.) Anyway, in that article find the extended exchange between DanteLaBoy86 and me. I’ll be publishing the whole thing on Amren and GatewayPundit tomorrow. (I think it’s buried way deep by now.)

        Anyway, to my absolute astonishment Mediaite has let me go very deeply into race
        realism issues today. Perhaps it’s only because the regular crew has the day off, but very briefly DL86 found one of my posts on AmRen and cited it as an example of the worst kind of neo-Nazi racism.

        I calmly deconstructed the opening post I quoted in my post, and then I calmly deconstructed my own post, completely demolishing him and leaving him spluttering, which was my goal. Watch for it, you’ll be very amused. Alternatively I can post that thread so far immediately below any reply you make to this post.

        I don’t want to praise Mediaite because I’m afraid it might force their hand and result in my getting banned. I’m satisfied that they’re letting my stuff stand.

        • carriewhite64

          Wow, I briefly read the thread (too late at night to read carefully) and you really held your own against the two other commenters. I wish I had the courage/were in a position to freely express there. I couldn’t help but point out to one commenter that rule of discourse: first one to use the term Nazi loses.Maybe you just got two dim commenters engaging with you, but both of them showed their lazy reasoning clearly. Calling FBI stats “junk science,” while using that stupid narrative about starting the race behind everyone else? And that is..what?…pure science? It is very important to point out, as you did, that you are not an outlier – many many people hold the same opinions as you but are afraid for their jobs/children/even lives to speak freely. Very well done.

          • Lexonaut

            Thanks. I’ll be sending the thread to Jared Taylor, asking him to run it as an article titled …

            How to Talk Online about Race Realism with Social Justice Warriors — A
            Practical Example

          • carriewhite64

            That would get the exchange the notice it deserves.

          • Lexonaut

            I sent it to him early Tuesday morning, have heard nothing back. There are four possible outcomes here …

            1 – The article appears by magic with no alert.
            2 – I get an email saying that my article has been accepted for publication and is expected to run on or about thus-and-such date.
            3 – I get an email saying that my article has been rejected, thanking me for submitting it.
            4 – Radio silence.

            It will be interesting to see what happens.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      You’re probably permitted to post because your tone is not inflammatory, and you haven’t used slurs and the like. Good job on that one – I have to work on having such a hot mouth, because I was banned there almost instantly. Not because I used a racial slur (I don’t do that), but probably because I called one guy an idiot.

      Well, he was an idiot. But I digress.

      You did indeed do a good job on that thread. I’m always amazed at the elderly arguments they pull out, like “culturally biased” tests. What decade are they living in?

      Since it is apparently still being brought up, I’m going to be looking into how often “culture fair” tests are used today – I’m betting pretty often. Those are the only ones I was given when they tested my IQ as a kid. I remember being given Raven’s Matrices, if I got the name of that right.

      I do also like that they suggest you are misinterpreting FBI data, but don’t offer an explanation as to what you are misunderstanding. (Unless I missed it.) If they wanted you to understand what you were misinterpreting, why not explain it? I don’t know about you, but I am genuinely curious to know how people think we are doing the math wrong. The best I’ve seen is Tim Wise’s complaint that we do not take into account “encounter rates.” It’s my personal observation that “encounter rates” don’t take informally segregated neighbourhoods into account.

      • Lexonaut

        “You’re probably permitted to post because your tone is not inflammatory, and you haven’t used slurs and the like.”

        The closest I came to losing it on this site was when a black female who is in the army in Germany began cursing me out in the most vile ways, in German. As it happens I speak decent German, or used to, so I knew what she was saying. I started to reply in Russian, which I also speak, and was about to deliver a serious insult, but then I caught myself and gave the readership an English euphemistic phrase for what I would have said in Russian. Mediaite let the euphemism stand.

        I’m bothered by people calling each other names. It shows that they have nothing to say.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      Oh, P.S., I saw your comment about how SJWs are hopeless lost causes that will never change their minds. I was one, and I did. I’m not too sure how unusual I might be, i.e. if I have different personal characteristics to someone who would not change their mind…or if everyone can change if just approached the right way.

      I have been trying to think carefully about all the factors that went into my defection from the anti-racist left, and why, because I am thinking of writing a series of books that follow the trajectory of the thinking that led me here.

      • Lexonaut

        ” … everyone can change if just approached the right way.”

        That’s my hope though SJWs would be at the bottom of the list of people to try to convert. All that’s needed is to plant a seed of curiosity in the mind of a rational person. It might take years for the seed to grow into a tree, but once people start asking questions about what’s going on, the process probably can’t be reversed — you can’t get ignorant again.

  • kikz2

    i will admit, lead police on a car chase, and they’re not going to be happy. couldn’t they have just shot the tires off the car? bonnie/clyde major overkill here, especially if there was no firefight.

    • I think that their own recent behavior has developed a more notable anti-white, anti-police character, which makes this sort of incident more likely, rather than less so.

    • IstvanIN

      It is very difficult to shoot out tires from a moving car on a moving car. Real police work isn’t Hawaii Five-0.

      • kikz2

        stop stix and a freakin map? the Cleveland PD can’t outsmart 2 high Blacks?

        • The cops here use helicopters to track cars in high-speed chases and then use stop-sticks. That said, the police helicopters had to be grounded for a few years due to budget problems; any helo is maintenance-intensive, and so costs a lot to keep it running safely.

          • kikz2

            y, we have those here in Dallas.. although i couldn’t figure out if Cleveland had any, which were available at the time.

            i think maybe it was the cop jumping on the hood of the car, and discharging 15 or so rounds bothered me the most about it. that seemed a bit “5’0” to me.

          • Tarczan

            If one listens to the media, the only response to these type of events is for the police to have the ability to put a large balloon around these people at will so they hurt neither themselves or the public.

    • Even a good pistol shot aiming at a wheel is most likely to hit the steel rim – assuming he hits anything other than the street. A rim hit typically won’t accomplish anything except producing a dangerous ricochet.

    • Jack Burton

      That’s one of those fantasy scenarios like shooting to wound. It’s not practical, it’s dangerous, and legally it’s not defensible as you should only shoot to kill in self-defense.

  • Lexonaut

    ” Remember when SWAT was the exception and not the norm?”

    I remember when SWAT didn’t even exist. (I’m 71.)

  • I wonder what Mr. Shabazz, or Shazam, or whatever it currently calls itself will be doing this week. Too “busy” to riot in an area where the cops are willing to shoot? He’s probably planning the gala for his upcoming self-promotion to Field Marshall of the Universe (they love awarding themselves goofball ranks).

    • Jack Burton

      I get a kick out of how ridiculous and insane NOI blacks are. They’re completely ignorant of history. Muslims enslaved blacks long before Europeans did, and in fact the people who sold black slaves to Europeans were black Muslims.

    • kikz2

      something i learned this week… hip-hop has, since its beginnings been a vehicle for spreading NOI, and 5% Nation or NOGE, (which is a militant offshoot of NOI)… philosophy and creation lore. if i remb correctly, the leader of 5% was killed over a dice game.. eyeroll. men are gods, women are earths… http://en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation

      another interesting offshoot of black islam, the moorish nation, they specialize in squatting… be very careful if you leave home for an extended vacation, they’re active over large swaths of the US, and share a disdain for White law, as one would expect, and declare diplomatic immunity, much as the IS (Islamic State) does.. anywhere they ‘claim’ is the Moorish Nation state.

      a large ball of weird to be sure… almost as weird as the ‘wigger rap-juggalo insane clown posse’ thing which turned out to be Xtianity in disguise..or so i heard..

      the world has truly gone mad.

    • crockadoodle6

      The invented titles (goofball ranks) allow them to strut and shine the bling that comes with the elaborate title. Medals, ribbons, epaulets, badges, headgear……no different than feathers, seashells, wooden lips and pierced nose. It’s all about ‘look at me, I am your best deal in the breeding department’.
      Evolutionary blackout with no hope of restoring the power. Just prairie grouse without the feathers and a never-ending breeding season.

  • Kenner

    CNN this morning — I think it was on Carol Costello’s show — she had on two guests, both white men in law enforcement; react to/explain the verdict. The first guy was one angry cop, he sounded like he was chewing bullets when he said many who disputed the verdict simply hated the police.
    The second guy went into some detail explaining how the Judge reached his decision.
    What was missing?
    CNN brought on not one blacktivist countering their statements. Not one.
    I thought my TV was broken.

    • Lady Texas

      Probably because they knew the black “moral authority” dimwit would just embarrass themselves; if anything they did #blackliesmatter a big favor.

  • Tarczan

    This AM the defense attorney was on local talk radio, He said that the county prosecutor, Tim McGinty tried stopping a bench trial, claiming that he needed blacks on the jury to get a verdict.In essence the prosecutor was arguing for a tainted jury. He also said both of the dead tested positive for firing a gun; this doesn’t prove they had a gun, but it was certainly possible. The officers at the scene gave statements that on three occasions the dead tried ramming the cops, and that tire tracks bore this out. Six months prior the woman threatened to kill a cop. The other officers took the fifth and did not testify because they were not granted immunity, which the defense atty said was common in these type of cases. The prosecutor also tried getting rid of the defense attorney on technicalities.

    The prosecutor seemed to be trying for the Mike Nifong award.

    • Over the course of that 22-mile car chase, they could have ditched their guns rather easily, and a ghetto-ite finding a gun would likely just keep it.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Its done by the will of anyone who votes for either the democrats or the republicans.