Law Enforcement Sources Say Freddie Gray Suffered Head Injury in Police Transport Van

Brad Bell, WJLA (Baltimore), April 30, 2015

An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report turned over to prosecutors on Thursday.

Sources said the medical examiner found Gray’s catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

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  • Oil Can Harry

    Our ancestors must’ve suffered a head injury right before they decided to import millions of black slaves to the Americas.

    • walt

      It’s just that they never in their wildest imagination imagined their future countrymen could be so incredibly stupid as to give the beasts full rights of citizenship

      • Robert Smith

        And brain dead to give them extra rights.

      • ViktorNN

        Really? How did they think living alongside millions of enslaved negroes was going to turn out? Happily?

        I don’t think there’s any way to look at the decision our ancestor’s made (actually, not my direct ancestors, but never mind….) as one which put short term profits over long term costs – very high costs at that!

      • Rob

        Don’t forget that the people we helped found a country in 48 traded with the Africans to sell their own people and also owned the ships that brought them here. They also helped push for their so called civil rights and now look at the mess. So you know who the real worm in the apple is.

      • The All Seeing Bry

        We’ve become so uncivilized letting those things happen.

    • a1781054

      It seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, we should have picked our own cotton.

      • Oil Can Harry

        Most expensive “free’ labor ever.

        • The All Seeing Bry

          By the mid 19th century paid labor was actually approaching being cheaper than slave labor. It was expected to exceed it by the 1880’s.

      • The All Seeing Bry

        We would have done what White people always have done. We would have created a machine to do it for us. If slaves were not around I believe many inventions would have come sooner. Since we had negros to do the work, Whites probably became a little complacent.

    • Race Heretic

      Oddly enough, the ethnic group driving that economic institution was, er, the “Finns”, as RamZPaul says.

      • Xerxes22

        The Ferengi

        • InAFreeCountry

          The Dwarves.

          • Sid Ishus

            Amazing how much the dwarves in LOTR reminds me of a certain group.

          • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

            In a BBC radio interview with Dennis Gueroult, recorded in 1964 and broadcast the next year, Tolkien connected his Dwarves with the Jewish people, stating: “The Dwarves of course are quite obviously—wouldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic.” Also in 1964, Tolkien wrote to W.R. Matthews: “The language of the Dwarves . . . is Semitic in cast, leaning phonetically to Hebrew (as suits the Dwarvish character).”
            .
            In the original BBC-interview, the text of which is given by Zak Cramer in Mallorn 44 (2006), Tolkien’s statement is longer. It turns out that Tolkien had added a remark about “a tremendous love of the artefact, and of course the immense warlike capacity of the Jews, which we tend to forget nowadays.” This was cut from the interview.

          • InAFreeCountry

            Tolkien said it was intentional.

        • Alexandra1973

          War is good for business.

          Peace is good for business.

          LOL

      • John Smith

        One of the most powerful men in the Confederacy was Judah P. Benjamin.

        • Robert Smith

          Rewind to the American Revolution….Aaron Lopez

          • John Smith

            Sephardi?

    • Samuel Hathaway

      In retrospect, yes, importing black, African slaves was the worst mistake this country made. They should have been left in Africa, where they belonged. There is plenty of white blame to go around… King George who voided colonial laws forbidding slavery, Southern politicians and agricultural interests, and those who sought to spread slavery into the western territories in Kansas and California.

      • propagandaoftruth

        Know what I find kind of scary?

        On goog news there’s nary a mention of Baltimore, or the po’ blackie thing.

        Like a “blackout”.

        • ElComadreja

          They’ve been clashing with cops in several cities. Nary a word.

      • kikz2

        you’re fogetting yankees there, hathaway. http://slavenorth(DOT)com/slavenorth.htm

      • HamletsGhost

        Don’t leave out the Tribe.

    • MBlanc46

      It was greed.

      • evilsandmich

        Not too dissimilar from the extreme difficulty in getting our politicians to stop the flow of low-wage labor into this country.

        • MBlanc46

          Yeah, pretty much the same thing.

        • Irish

          It’s the exact same argument..Jobs that Americans can’t, or won’t do..Bunch of nonsense.

    • Epiminondas

      Put money in front of a Yankee and he’ll import ANYTHING. They brought blacks here. For almost a century, the largest slave market in the nation was in New York, followed by Boston.

      • kikz2

        don’t forget Rhode Island 😉

        • Epiminondas

          There are a lot of good people in the north. LOTS. But many of them are hung up on slavery and they don’t seem to realize their own ancestors were part of the problem. The bigger issue is not to obsess over blacks. The bigger issue is saving European civilization on our own shores.

        • HamletsGhost

          Yes! Good to know someone else gets it here.

          Fun trivia fact to use at parties: Q-Where is the oldest synagogue in the USA located? (Hint: It’s not New York City)

          A-Newport, Rhode Island. The Touro synagogue was founded in the 17th century by Sephardic Jews from BARBADOS. Newport was a major hub of the triangle trade (Slaves-Sugar-Rum).

          Let that little factoid fly into the heads of our modern “educated” social justice warriors, and watch the sparks fizzle around in their heads.

    • ElComadreja

      Mine weren’t here until the twentieth century. They would have wanted nothing to do with blacks.

  • USofAntiWhite

    Black lies matter

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  • Frank_DeScushin

    What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

    It’s been stated that the bolt which allegedly injured Gray was on the inside of the van’s back door. but wheIf the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon’s back door.

    Matching the theory with the timeline and facts we know, Gray may have been trying to break out of the van. The police pulled over to shackle him. Post-shackling Gray continues to try to break out using his body parts available — shoulder, head area. In slamming into the back door with those body parts Gray breaks his neck.

    Just a theory on my part but it matches the sequence of events and the bits of evidence that have emerged.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      I just heard an anonymous Baltimore cop on Larry Elder’s (black radio host in LA) show -voice disguised – answer the question “why wasn’t Freddie Gray belted in?”

      Answer: Combative prisoners are not belted in because they are extremely dangerous to police officers – to belt them in, the officer has to get up close to the prisoner’s body and then reach around and across the prisoner to lock the seat belt – prisoners bite, spit at officers and try to assault and injure them in any way they can.

      • The times I have been arrested, there were no seat belts in the back seats.

        • Lorax100

          Michael you’ve seen what liars cops are. Do you really take anything they say at face value? Are you going to just believe their cover up?

          • evilsandmich

            I’m withholding judgement on this for now, but I have to say that I find the idea of this guy bludgeoning himself to death rather amusing, unfortunately.

            All the more reason that cops should be all for body cameras, right? Is being on the ‘take’ really worth coming under this kind of weight? Apparently, thus why I’m withholding judgement.

          • propagandaoftruth

            If this is what the coroner has determined and it holds up…

            Wow. Don’t blacks look like geniuses?

            But I also find it amusing. I wish more negro repeat felons would…bang their microcephalic coconuts upside a bolt til they break their own necks.

            Just wish he’d done it a lot sooner and saved money…

          • M&S

            Why is the Larynx crushed? Why are the cervical vertebra displaced (the word used to describe the spinal cord injury was ‘80% cut’ not compressed)?
            To get the kind of damage they are stating happened from the top of the head would require enough force to push the skull down atop the spinal column, impaling it up upon the brain stem.
            That is not something a person could do more tan once for the obvious reason that you are disrupting the very neuro-motor controls which make the next blow possible.
            Of course it works the other way as well. If Mr. Gray is arrested at 8:42 and an ambulance called at 9:26, how did he manage to ask for assistance, a rescue inhaler or complain that he couldn’t breath for so long? Why doesn’t anybody notice the involuntary convulsions of a Grand Mal Seizure?
            What I wonder, since we have obviously been undergoing an eight year long parade of faux ‘teachable moment’ false charges on racism (the Professor, St. Petersburg, Ferguson, Raleigh, now this.) did someone get so desperate to make whites look bad that they created a condition whereby the cops were the pansies and someone /else/ delivered the blow?
            Someone like this other prisoner?
            Think about it, cops aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to get into a tussle, fatally injure the guy and then both deny him medical help and resort to the old “Duhhhh, I dunno, he was fine when I left him…” excuse. A throwaway would be found, there would be a “He went for a weapon, we dogpiled, him and things just got crazy in the struggle for the gun” common story excuse.
            This is about the worst possible excuse for innocence -or- guilt.
            Because there was no cover-up initially planned. It wasn’t necessary.
            Of course, the alternative is not so easy to deny: A man with 18 prior drug/assault/burglary arrests doesn’t run from the cops for having a pocket knife. Not unless he is carrying and needs to dump his stuff.
            And the reason he doesn’t run is because he knows the blue wolves will chase because that’s what wolves do. And when they catch him, without a witness, they may thump him because they don’t like their authority being questioned.
            So a man who has no reason to run does so, perhaps because he’s trying to make himself look bad (see: Desert Storm fighter pilots who bashed themselves up to make it look like they had been mistreated) so he can do injury to himself ‘for Travyon’ or ‘Big Mike’. Maybe even The Agenda is paying him to be a victim.
            But what he doesn’t know is that this is not a beat down. Because nobody wants a witness to compromise his integrity in arguing against the forensics.
            It’s the real thing.
            Because, having tried three times before, those behind the race baiting have decided to remove all possibility of it being anything but a slam dunk ‘racist cops!’ condition. By removing the victim from the witness list, likely via this driver or the other prisoner.

          • Some somewhat higher elites within police depts are saying body cameras on cops are definitely a threat to privacy – in lots of situations. For instance, cops go into domestic violence event. The thing is, how can there be privacy safety precautions concerning existence, duplication, and access to those videos.
            PS – I’m all for police body cams. For protection of police against false charges. Also for greater public confidence regarding police actions.

          • kikz2

            he grew up on paint chips…….. diminished capacity anyone?

          • They lied under oath in court and on paperwork, but they never beat me up or otherwise physically mistreated me. On the other hand, I never quarreled with them, fled or offered any resistance. I never gave them the excuse to hurt me. That’s what it all boils down to. You might be doing something wrong, but if they catch you, play it cool and peaceful.

        • ElComadreja

          Same here though the last time I had the pleasure was over forty years ago.

      • kikz2

        WE let millions of school children on school buses daily w/o seatbelts, to roll around like marbles in an aluminum can… who cares about them? yes, that’s right.. we must make sure criminals are safe and secure…………

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          The reason children aren’t belted in on school buses is when buses are in crashes and burn (#1 cause of death on school buses), the kids have trouble unbuckling the seat belts and more of them are killed.

          If they’re not belted in, it’s easier for them to get out of the bus.

          • kikz2

            you’d think something would be done in the way of preventing them from catching fire.

      • Hank chinaski

        Yeah that’s it.

      • HamletsGhost

        Question: Wouldn’t the presence of seat belts present a danger of the suspect strangling himself while trying to slip out of the restraints?

        Vans are pretty big and rugged vehicles, especially police vans. It would seem that as long as the sides are padded well enough, then there would be enough protection for prisoners. Am I missing something here?

    • pcmustgo

      MAYBE SUPER HIGH ON DRUGS TOO, HENCE ACTING “WILDLY”…

  • Jason Lewis

    I wonder what the blood test will come back with?

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      I wonder if it will ever be released.

      • DLRisVH

        I’m not holding my breath.

        • Hank chinaski

          Put your mouth on this straw. Blow, blow, blow, blow. Keep blowing.. blow..blow..

    • Vyncennt

      VD

    • The All Seeing Bry

      African-American positive.

    • ElComadreja

      A melanin overdose.

  • Jaggers

    Well, at least no one jumped to any conclusions before the evidence was out.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers.

    For 10 days, the real narrative was held back while the following disinformation was ingrained into the public’s psyche –

    After Freddie Gray had his hands up, he was picked up like a battering ram by White racist cops, slammed into the side of the van and then shot in the back.

    -to give ammunition to the rioters and race baiters.

    Freddy, who hoped to accuse the cops of PO-lice brutality and racism and collect millions has served his purpose, thrown under the bus and will soon be forgotten.

    And, Baltimore will receive millions from the Feds to rebuilt.

    • Hank chinaski

      He never got the hang of it did he. I’m impressed, no armed robbery or assault charges. He was a good boy.

      • evilsandmich

        Comparatively speaking, yes.

      • Tony Nobaloney

        Just didn’t get caught.

        Usually no stakeouts or UC’s for robbery or assault but always for drugs.

      • Vyncennt

        He has an A+ on the B.B.B. website!

      • ElComadreja

        May he rest in p*ss.

    • Hank chinaski

      What good does it do us to pay people to round these blacks up. Pay to jail them for a few months. Release them. Round them up. Jail them again….

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Yeah. Better to do what the state does in California: Release them and be done with it.

        But make sure the population is disarmed first.

        • Hank chinaski

          They are released everywhere eventually. They just get 3 squares 4 walls and a few new contacts in the interval. How do you benefit?

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Final comment:

            Nope, not all of them are “released eventually.” If they were, Charles Manson would have been released decades ago.

            How do I benefit?

            They’re off the street. That’s how I benefit.

          • Hank chinaski

            LAST WORD: We aren’t talking psycho sadistic murderers like whitey Manson. Why isn’t he dead. He recently married. WTF?
            They are off the streets temporarily. When released they go right back to selling crack to blacks. You paid good money to feed and house him wit his bruthas,for a while.

            That is no benefit to you. Don’t let your lil white boy cowardly fear of blacks blind your judgement. Arm yourself and take care of your own.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            An ad hominem attack from a professional troll.

            How original.

            I don’t listen to freaks like you.

            Hope you enjoy talking to yourself, LOL.

          • Hank chinaski

            Dismiss me as a troll. The original Internet sin. Perhaps I touched a nerve?

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Since your notion of debate is ad hominem attack, a sure sign of a professional troll, I suggest everyone here dismiss you as well.

            Insult is the last refuge of the out argued.

          • Hank chinaski

            Ok, I take it back. You aren’t one of those cowardly white people who are willing to give up all your rights if the state protects you from those big scary blacks. That’s not you. And I won’t mention that your Manson argument is a logical fallacy.
            Explain to me why you think spending billions of dollars to put these guys through a revolving criminal justice system door improves anything?

  • Donald

    Ah, Black people and Darwin’s theory……….sigh.

    • Who Me?

      “Ah, Black people and Darwin’s theory……….sigh.”
      And add Murphy’s law into the mix….disaster indeed.

      • Lorax100

        Who Me? what part of the country are you from? I ask because of the recent attack on a redheaded woman in NYC. You’re a redhead who’s noted heightened levels of harassment and aggression from diverse men towards redheads and blondes.

        • Who Me?

          I’m in the northwest, Washington State. I haven’t noticed much aggression here, partly because I’m going gray and my hair is nowhere as brilliant a red as it used to be, and I’m at home or out with someone a lot more now that I used to be–retired, and don’t drive due to slower reflexes after the stroke.
          I hadn’t heard of the attack, do you have a link? I’m not surprised though, something about red hair just seems to set some stupid people off, god only knows why. even some Whites, though most of them have better sense.

      • Hilis Hatki

        Lots of kids with different partners, other people pay for it….. A standing ovation from Darwin.

      • kikz2

        i’d say add the Peter Principle.. and shake well…..cheers….

  • Bossman

    Mr. Grey was not a model citizen, respecting the laws and minding his own business.

  • Lorax100

    .

  • Many seem to wish to believe that it was caused by police violence. it gives negroes the opportunity to take days off to burn down their city.

    • IstvanIN

      Vacation Days, Sick Days, Arson Days……

      • John Smith

        Every day is vacation for most of them.

    • Tony Nobaloney

      Take days off from what?

      Sitting on the front stoops and guzzling Colt .45 tall boys?

  • Roninf9

    Other factors that may have contributed to Gray’s demise are: a car accident that may have injured his spine and for which Gray supposedly sued a taxi cab company; lead poisoning for which he received a large settlement that, combined with certain drug abuse, weakened his health and made Gray act irrationally, like hitting his head against a steel door until he broke his neck.

    • JPall

      Yes. Without the drugs, I am sure he would have been a pillar of rationality.

  • Okay, dare I say it. This man might have been subjected to the “rough ride” that police sometimes use. A handcuffed person is left unbelted and tossed around in the police van. That could explain the broken neck. IF that IS the case, and I did say if, the police should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. As race realist as I am, I do not condone murder of anyone, regardless of color. There, I said it, folks. You can take your shots at me if you wish, but that is how I feel. Thank you and peace.

    • John Smith

      The world didn’t lose much when he passed, however.

      • Hmmm…a point.

      • Vyncennt

        I’ll miss him.

        • John Smith

          Improve your aim with more practice.

  • paul kersey

    my guess, they broke his neck during arrest then put him in van to cover themselves

    • AFlaVet

      Sure…knowing that this mutt’s death had to be explained? Come on. You think the cops in Baltimore were stupid and unaware of Ferguson?

      • SnakebiteJones

        They probably thought since there were 3 black guys involved in the arrest they would be in the clear. I can’t stop thinking about what it had to have felt like to be asked to protect the city after the mayor threw the police force under the bus.
        Certainly an, “I came here to build a bridge” moment.

  • John Smith

    Head injuries are seldom detrimental to negroes, for obvious reasons.

  • Harry

    Weak. I’m not proud to say this because Freddy appeared to be a real scumbag but my theory on it is that the boys got a little too rough and now..”♫Freddy’s dead..that’s what I said.”

    • USofAntiWhite

      Looks like you got conned. Freddy was a career criminal, this was his final hoax.

      • Harry

        I can only go by the same propaganda that is fed to everyone else. No doubt Freddy was a real turd and it was his time to be flushed but now da powahs dat be, be leveling charges against da police and stuff.

  • kikz2

    well apparently the prosecutor for the st. of MD has ‘ruled’ it’s a homicide, and even his arrest was unwarranted……. since when do prosecutors ‘rule’? i’ve read that exact term expressed in many different articles today……. it may have been an idiot reporter, or it may pointedly disingenuous misuse of language.. either way…. it wouldn’t be the first time…..

    please correct me, if i’m wrong…..
    the only thing her office can do is decide if enough evidence exists to prosecute.. ‘rulings’ are the domain of judges/courts.

    • Harry

      Unless those cops have OJ kind of money for legal defense, they don’t stand a chance in front of an all black jury in Baltimore.

      • kikz2

        i know….

  • mikefromwichita

    NOTE: the MSM seems to be very unwilling to show photos of the cops. Wonder why.

  • Albert

    I don’t know what’s worse: an inflammatory media that doctors stories to incite civil unrest, or the restless natives that eat it all up and go tribal on us.

  • ekwaykway

    I’m new to this site, but having been so attacked by people posting on here I must go. Here I thought I found like minded people, only to be flagged for speaking my mind. White people wonder why we are in this mess? I found out first hand. Thanks for having me for this brief period.