Debunking the Myth of the Job-Stealing Immigrant

Adam Davidson, New York Times, March 29, 2015

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{snip} We generally support immigration when the immigrants are different from us. People in the middle and upper-middle classes don’t mind poorly educated, low-skilled immigrants entering the country. Nor do we mind highly educated professionals coming in–unless, that is, we are in the same profession ourselves. More broadly, those of us advocating an immigration overhaul are basically calling for official recognition of the status quo, through offering legal status to some of the roughly 11.2 million undocumented workers who aren’t going away. Few of us are calling for the thing that basic economic analysis shows would benefit nearly all of us: radically open borders.

And yet the economic benefits of immigration may be the ­most ­settled fact in economics. A recent University of Chicago poll of leading economists could not find a single one who rejected the proposition. (There is one notable economist who wasn’t polled: George Borjas of Harvard, who believes that his fellow economists underestimate the cost of immigration for low-­skilled natives. Borjas’s work is often misused by anti-immigration activists, in much the same way a complicated climate-­science result is often invoked as “proof” that global warming is a myth.) Rationally speaking, we should take in far more immigrants than we currently do.

So why don’t we open up? The chief logical mistake we make is something called the Lump of Labor Fallacy: the erroneous notion that there is only so much work to be done and that no one can get a job without taking one from someone else. It’s an understandable assumption. After all, with other types of market transactions, when the supply goes up, the price falls. If there were suddenly a whole lot more oranges, we’d expect the price of oranges to fall or the number of oranges that went uneaten to surge.

But immigrants aren’t oranges. It might seem intuitive that when there is an increase in the supply of workers, the ones who were here already will make less money or lose their jobs. Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones. That means there are more jobs building apartments, selling food, giving haircuts and dispatching the trucks that move those phones. Immigrants increase the size of the overall population, which means they increase the size of the economy. Logically, if immigrants were “stealing” jobs, so would every young person leaving school and entering the job market; countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens.

Most anti-immigration arguments I hear are variations on the Lump of Labor Fallacy. That immigrant has a job. If he didn’t have that job, somebody else, somebody born here, would have it. This argument is wrong, or at least wildly oversimplified. But it feels so correct, so logical. {snip}

The single greatest bit of evidence disproving the Lump of Labor idea comes from research about the Mariel boatlift, a mass migration in 1980 that brought more than 125,000 Cubans to the United States. According to David Card, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, roughly 45,000 of them were of working age and moved to Miami; in four months, the city’s labor supply increased by 7 percent. Card found that for people already working in Miami, this sudden influx had no measurable impact on wages or employment. His paper was the most important of a series of revolutionary studies that transformed how economists think about immigration. Before, standard economic models held that immigrants cause long-term benefits, but at the cost of short-term pain in the form of lower wages and greater unemployment for natives. But most economists now believe that Card’s findings were correct: Immigrants bring long-term benefits at no measurable short-term cost. (Borjas, that lone dissenting voice, agrees about the long-term benefits, but he argues that other economists fail to see painful short-term costs, especially for the poor.)

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This paradox of immigration is bound up with the paradox of economic growth itself. Growth has acquired a bad reputation of late among some, especially on the left, who associate the term with environmental destruction and rising inequality. But growth through immigration is growth with remarkably little downside. Whenever an immigrant enters the United States, the world becomes a bit richer. For all our faults, the United States is still far better developed economically than most nations, certainly the ones that most of our immigrants have left. Our legal system and our financial and physical infrastructure are also far superior to most (as surprising as that might sometimes seem to us). So when people leave developing economies and set foot on American soil, they typically become more productive, in economic terms. They earn more money, achieve a higher standard of living and add more economic value to the world than they would have if they stayed home. If largely open borders were to replace our expensive and restrictive lottery system, it’s likely that many of these immigrants would travel back and forth between the United States and their native countries, counteracting the potential brain drain by sharing knowledge and investment capital. Environmentally, immigration tends to be less damaging than other forms of growth, because it doesn’t add to the number of people on earth and often shifts people to more environmentally friendly jurisdictions.

To me, immigration is the greatest example of our faulty thinking, a shortsightedness that hurts others while simultaneously hurting ourselves. The State Department issues fewer than half a million immigrant visas each year. Using the 7 percent figure from the Mariel boatlift research, it’s possible that we could absorb as many as 11 million immigrants annually. But if that’s politically untenable, what about doubling the visas we issue each year? It would still be fewer than a million, or less than 0.7 percent of the work force. If that didn’t go too badly, we could double it again the next year. The data are clear. We would be better off. In fact, the world would be better off.

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  • Too easy.

    The single greatest bit of evidence disproving the Lump of Labor idea comes from research about the Mariel boatlift, a mass migration in 1980 that brought more than 125,000 Cubans to the United States. According to David Card, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, roughly 45,000 of them were of working age and moved to Miami; in four months, the city’s labor supply increased by 7 percent. Card found that for people already working in Miami, this sudden influx had no measurable impact on wages or employment.

    My retort?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VIECzlFVUM

    • Whitetrashgang

      What a idiot, maybe he should talk to all immigrants and blacks on welfare,all 40 million of them.

    • evilsandmich

      So easy in fact I was wondering if the NYT is trolling AmRen.

    • Belinda Boundreau

      If I recall correctly, the Mariel ‘boatlift’ was mostly criminals from Cuban prisons. Castro didn’t miss a good opportunity. Thinking there was some agreement reached where Cuba took back some of the rabble.

      • Northern American-Nationalist

        Many were, which included the mentally deranged. The labor supply likely wasn’t as affected in as the numbers because despite the projections

  • Susannah

    Well, heck, let’s just abandon any pretense whatsoever that we are actually a country anymore. Seriously, this is about the most breathtakingly harebrained and obnoxious proposition I’ve come across since I’ve been reading at this site. That says quite a lot.

    • archer

      None of these so called activists consider the end game, called population density. Our infrastructure is falling apart because of too many people collecting social services like medical care. Why don’t they mention how many hospitals went out of business because these immigrants couldn’t pay. How may people do they think we can absorb no matter their education etc., should we become like India or China with very high population densities, cities crowded with poor and starving? Where in Europe has high immigration contributed to a strong economy, I’d say it’s the opposite. Finally, almost all of low skilled, low educated will end up working in service sector jobs, if they work at all servicing the millions of new arrivals, I fail to see how those jobs will help our economy, we need a vast influx of cash from wealthy people who can start real businesses that can grab foreign money and lower our trade deficit now at over 440 billion.
      I know I went on a rant.

  • Chip Carver

    Mr. Davidson and his ilk engage in bald face lying every single day. The worse the situation gets in the US, the more frequent and bold their lies become. Look at the job market in CA, whether it’s construction, fast-food, or STEM jobs, the immigrants displace Americans – White Americans – and drive wages down. Mr. Davidson knows this, but he’s knows that members of his “group” will always favor each other over everyone else while screeching at Whites about the evils of nepotism and ethnic-cronyism at the top of their lungs. Evil people. Think of how evil, how filled with hate someone like Mr. Davidson has to be in order to serve up this drivel.

    • AmericanCitizen

      You hit the unspoken truth: the tech jobs that immigrants steal from Americans displace whites almost exclusively. No one comes here from India with a tech degree to drive a garbage truck. They take STEM jobs for less pay with no medical or pension benefits – it’s a no brainer economically for a company to ditch American tech workers and replace them with a cheaper alternative.

      This is just another facet of the war on Middle class whites. No mainstream media source will ever present you this slant on the issue, but what else does this do long term besides drive white Americans out of the middle class?

      • MikeofAges

        It’s not just that foreigners will work in the tech industries at lower salaries. The work is not made available to Americans in the first place. Americans eventually would accept these salaries. Some would accept them immediately. The foreigners are hired on a basis Americans cannot be hired on. Often they are hired as groups without the credentials and qualifications of all of the group members being checked. Some members may be relatives of other members, who do their work for them. Some come here minimally trained and have to learn the work. Not all succeed in learning the job.

        My brother is a senior programmer for a major Silicon Valley tech corporation. Wouldn’t it be nice if I could get hired as part of group and have him do my work while I learned the job? At least I would learn it, I am sure. Another fortuitous benefit. We have forbearers of multiple European nationalities and do not look much alike. We could even conceal the fact that we were relatives, especially if I adoped a nom de guerre. Foreigners, I imagine, conceal the fact that they are relatives, if the employer really care. I doubt many do.

    • TomIron361

      Sir, I must disagree with you a bit. I’ve come to realize (this took me a long, long time) that many/most of our young people don’t want to engage in a large section of work. Yes, they think the pay isn’t good, but in order to ask for more pay, they must gain experience and knowledge of their trade. In that they won’t begin to learn trades to gain that experience and knowledge, they leave the field to hispanics who I’m highly unimpressed with as working men. We have to find a way to instruct young people that honest labor is not humiliating. This is where we’ve failed our young men and women in a big way. I do recognize that there are good young men and women who have been taught the rudiments of work and are out there knocking the socks off all competition. But we do have a giant problem otherwise.

      • Chip Carver

        The folks behind the immigration mess run the media. Their snobbish attitudes toward “trades”, their distaste toward working with one’s hands is always evident in whatever they produce for public consumption. This has of course rubbed off on the population. But in fact the illegals and their $5 hr wages ran White construction workers out of CA for example. White teens in L.A., in most of So Cal actually, can’t even get jobs at fast food restaurants, not because of pay, but because of open ethnic cronyism from the hispanics who make working at Jack In The Box a career. There is a problem with attitude amongst some White youngsters, but I thinks those kids are in the minority.

      • listenupbub

        I agree. I am temporarily working in such a situation.

        Immigration is not the solution, though. Letting our immature boys grow up is the solution.

      • Alden

        It’s hard to work when you can’t get a job because you are White
        Been in a Dr s office or hospital lately? Flown?
        Last Christmas I went through LAX and SFO, hardly any Whites to be seen working at either airport Relatives came through Kennedy airport and did not see ONE , not one person working there
        Do you ever ride a city bus, use the post office or fedex, go to a library ?
        In California even in the few 90 percent White suburbs there are no Whites working in retail from well paid union meat cutters to minimum wage part timers

        Even if they wanted to, employers are forbidden to hire Whites by ferociously enforced discrimination laws

        • listenupbub

          Basically, if a black person ever becomes a manager of anything, you can say bye-bye to the chances of any white to get a job at the place. And the manager will hire too many new black people and manage the place terribly.

      • archer

        You may be right, but we’ve given these people to many fall back options like food stamps and ssi if they run out of unemployment benefits, we have multi-generational welfare for may of our so called underclass that make more in benefits than working. Stop the freebies and they will have to work.

    • Rhialto

      The NYT is massivly influenced by Mexican Billionaire Carlos Slim, whose wealth is largley derived from massive Mexican emigration to the US.

      • Dwight

        No, Chip has the Jews down for EVERYTHING.

      • Robert Smith

        So Carlos tells all the Mexican illegals to buy the NYT and in return the NYT promotes amnesty. I get it now.

      • Charles Martel

        He has a govt enforced monopoly that pays him every time an illegal sends money home. What made him richer than bill Gates was being the supplier of obamaphones since people can fraudulently sign up for multiple. So basically the US taxpayer is burdened for all his wealth.

        • Alden

          Does he own western union?

          • John Smith

            Telmex and banking.

          • Charles Martel

            Telmex, América Móvil, he basically owns all the land line phones in mexico so he gets a cut of every reparation wired there. He has a govt enforced monopoly crony capitalism.

      • Alden

        Please explain, his cell phones ?

    • Dwight

      And by members of his “group” you mean Jews. More of your conspiracy theories and trying to turn this website into another StormFront. Who are the Senators and Representatives in the state you live in? How are they voting on immigration? They voting with the president? You might start there when casting blame. The media are merely bit players.

      • Whitetrashgang

        How about a conspiracy theory your nuts?

      • Charles Martel

        Carlos Slim is the one big media player that isn’t a jew, but he profits from open borders as well.

      • Alden

        My senators are Boxer and Feinstein

      • John Smith

        If the shoe fits….

        • Alexandra1973

          It doesn’t fit the group a lot of people think it does.

          I am sure there is a conspiracy behind all this. But it’s not the Jews behind everything.

          I can agree with a lot of people here that there are puppeteers…but I disagree as to who’s yanking the strings.

          • John Smith

            I never thought the Hebraics are solely responsible or that all of them share in the responsibility, but their contingent has been greatly over-represented on the far-left and in the 1% of manipulators behind govt. and the economy. Even many of those of them not directly behind this are glad to reap any benefits they can from the kinship association. Hell, even not all negroes are bad, but you don’t really want to spend time finding out when meeting one in a dark alley.

          • Chip Carver

            Of course there’s more than a single bunch involved, greed brings certain types of people together, and there are those who’d sell their own mothers for a dollar who are involved, and they aren’t members of the usual group of suspects.

        • Chip Carver

          It is funny, as if it’s ‘the media’ that was the focus. Same tactics always, and we know the people that do this are from that team. But it’s all “conspiracy theory”, it’s all as imaginary as the Lavon Affair.

      • george00

        By controlling what you see and hear the media can play a big part in determining what you think therefore how you vote therefore who gets in office therefore what laws and policies get enacted and that can have a huge impact on what happens in this country. “The media are merely bit players.” Are you kidding?

    • Charles Martel

      He also forgot to mention the effects of moving tons of cocaine through Miami at the time he was looking at. Lots of money to throw around.

  • JohnEngelman

    Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones.

    – Adam Davidson, New York Times, March 29, 2015

    By competing for jobs immigrants lower wages. By competing for consumer items and places to live they raise prices.

    • Bossman

      So who is right? Your view or his views? Both seem to have merit. Increasing demand for goods and services seem to create jobs in this economy.

      • JohnEngelman

        My view explains the growing income gap. Adam Davidson’s view does not.

        • GeneticsareDestiny

          It also explains why wages have been stagnating in the U.S. for at least 20 years. Adam Davidson seems to either be unaware that that has been happening or he does not care, since he offers no explanation for why it seems to be happening right as we’ve been letting in 1 million legal immigrants annually and who knows how many more illegals.

          • listenupbub

            Yes, all while cost of living increases, I should add.

          • Charles Martel

            He is using Miami when it was the most flush with cocaine money as an example of the benefits of something other than having millions of dollars of drug profit being spent in the area.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I think stagnating wages is mostly caused by free trade. Most of the factories are in Mexico anyway. They don’t even need to come here for that.

      • listenupbub

        There is a way to check: look at the data.

        The data shows JohnEngelman is right.

      • withcaution

        Then China and India must be economic paradises.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          yes with every new baby they pop out the country becomes richer. If you don’t believe that then you just aren’t educated enough.

      • Valmont

        The goods are largely manufactured in other countries.

    • Sparky

      Good point. Also this just in, One in eight undocumented immigrants in the U.S. now has a white-collar job

      http://fusion.Net/story/110023/one-in-eight-undocumented-immigrants-now-has-a-white-collar-gig/

      • Charles Martel

        Probably an affirmative action no work token job.

      • Alden

        What do they mean by White collar? If it is 20 hr per week minimum wage retail clerks it is worse than being a Home Depot gardener or moving man

        • John Smith

          Probably some office clerk at La Raza or an ACLU secretary or medical translator for doctor’s offices forced to have them when treating illegals for free to prevent lawsuits and govt. fines.

    • Charles Martel

      The thing is they will never contribute more in taxes than they receive in taxpayer paid benefits.

    • Old Soldier

      “By competing for jobs immigrants lower wages. By competing for consumer items and places to live they raise prices.” By living in those places they destroy property values.

      Immigrants also increase the supply of crime, welfare abuse, failing school, and every other negative aspect of society you can think of. Yes, there are certain economic benefits to mass immigration for certain people, but taking a holistic approach it is a total negative.

    • Alden

      Absolutely right They lower wages and raise the cost of housing the biggest expense They also lengthen commutes another major expense

  • AmericanCitizen

    All of these Liberal writers proceed from the false assumption that the immigrants in question are coming here to work and be productive members of society. If that was true and there were plenty of jobs, it would work out. It did from 1900-1924. Immigrants came here during those times and went straight to work. There were no social programs for them anyway. They learned the language out of respect and pride for their new country.

    Does anyone really think that the current mass of illegal dirty diseased illiterate children streaming across our borders are going to end up as productive workers who pay taxes and contribute to the greater good of America?

    I don’t.

    • Charles Martel

      Mexican president Calderon said “where there are Mexicans there is Mexico”. He is right if he was talking about liter, crime, age of consent 13, drunk driving, rule by drug dealer, & corruption. I am not sure about the rooster fights and woman/male donkey shows.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      They will probably get accepted into Harvard or get a job as a brain surgeon or something. So long as they aren’t white they don’t need to be literate to do these jobs anymore.

  • DaveMed

    Not an economist here, so I can’t really comment on the veracity of the article (although, anything from the NYT is suspect IMO). My view is that the chief issue with immigration is the displacement (and replacement) of our people with theirs.

    The economics of immigration take the backseat as far as my priorities are concerned.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I care quite a lot about displacement as well. But in my view, economics is the very mechanism by which we are being displaced. When white men can easily get jobs that pay well enough to support a family, they are more likely to marry and have multiple children with white women.

      But when you enter mass immigration into the mix, whites of both sexes must work harder and longer for lower wages just to survive. When this happens, most whites refrain from having many children, and the number who do not reproduce at all goes up.

      So to me, economics and displacement are not really two separate issues. Lowering whites’ wages is the chief method the left uses to lower our birthrate.

      • listenupbub

        I could not say it better myself.

        The economic reasons whites (and Asians) who make little money refrain from having kids do not apply to minorities, I will make clear.

    • Charles Martel

      He looks at the time when Miami had the most drug money flowing through it. Anywhere with millions of dollars of cocaine money being brought in from other areas would do as well.

    • ViktorNN

      The argument against immigration based on displacement is a good one.

      But I wouldn’t give up on the argument against immigration based on economics. It is far from settled that immigration doesn’t have negative effects on the economy – it’s just that libertarian economists, and pro-immigration liberal economists, and neo-liberal economists want to give the appearance that the argument is all settled and inarguable.

      Without going into the economic argument, what’s interesting about the debate to me is that pretty much all mainstream economists are united in their advocacy of immigration, though they all hail from different points on the political spectrum and all have different motivations for being pro-immigration.

      It’s typical of the plight that pro-white dissidents find ourselves in. We can poke holes in their arguments all day long, but our perspective has been effectively banned from the marketplace of ideas. We are virtually shut out of academia where these arguments are produced. Any pro-white dissident students who are passionate about fighting for their race should consider a stealth career in academia. Get the training, get tenure, and then fight for your race!

  • Hilis Hatki

    The reality is the Nation-Stealing immigrant, job-stealing is just a facet of it.

  • David Ashton

    Ponzi.

  • Hilis Hatki

    They love that 11 million number. Its just 1.

  • Even if they didn’t take jobs from Americans (which they do), I still wouldn’t want them in my country! Hell, if you consider graffiti, squalor, skyrocketing crime levels, a pervasive gang culture, welfare dependency, over-crowed emergency rooms, non-assimilation, and hordes of unwed mothers a good thing, then by all means let them come. But it will be -and is – the ruin of this once great nation as we knew it.

  • “Logically, if immigrants were “stealing” jobs, so would every young person leaving school and entering the job market; countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens.”

    Except … you know … the elderly on the other end of the spectrum who are retiring from the workforce, and leaving new job openings which are then filled by those “behind” them… is this simple logic being ignored, or are all those economists and the author of this piece just complete idiots?

    It’s going to be hard reading the rest of this article, as I can only imagine its going to get even more idiotic from here on…

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      Empirically-speaking, the author’s assumption that countries that increase in size grow economically is false in recent trends. In fact, it is non-Western countries (India, China, et al.) that are growing the fastest, and such countries typically have very little inward immigration. Contrarily, In the USA, we know that all post-2000 job growth has gone to recent immigrants.

      “All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants”; Center for Immigration Studies; Camarota, S. A. & Zeigler, K.; June 2014.

  • Publius Pompilius Quietus

    “Whenever an immigrant enters the United States, the world becomes a bit richer. For all our faults, the United States is still far better developed economically than most nations, certainly the ones that most of our immigrants have left. Our legal system and our financial and physical infrastructure are also far superior to most (as surprising as that might sometimes seem to us). So when people leave developing economies and set foot on American soil, they typically become more productive, in economic terms.”

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    Immigration floods the labor supply, which allows the owners of capital to manipulate the market. The owners of capital grow their profits by driving down everyone else’s wages. Also, immigrants’ generally increase the welfare state; increase the drug problem; increase violent crime; but lower home and school value. Though mass immigration can grow an economy in absolute terms, all of that growth benefits the very rich. Hence, the author’s thesis is deceptive.

    • Petronius

      Hear, hear, Pompilius! Restrained increases in population are a necessary precondition for increases in a country’s average national wealth.

      Mass immigration results in proletarianization of the country by driving down wage incomes and average wealth. Another result of immigration is to increase the gap between wage incomes and incomes from property (capital) — which further increases the gap between rich and poor. This can be seen happening today in the US as a result of mass immigration.

      • John Smith

        While population increases may be necessary to increase national wealth, the limits imposed by the physical environment preclude infinite growth – someday Malthus will be proven correct.

    • Charles Martel

      The world becomes richer because 3rd world immigrants get a bigger carbon foot print while on welfare than they could achieve in their homeland. Bringing in more debt for the US is not wise.

    • John Smith

      Conversely, emigrants from third-world nations must retard the development in their home countries by denying their economic inputs to those economies, thus making economic development lopsided and failing to maximize the potential wealth of the global economy were it better utilized.

      • listenupbub

        best counterargument ever

  • Adam Davidson–this obviously nonwhite individual must have failed Economics 101 or taken it from Paul Krugman and his ilk. He doesn’t mention the lowering of the country’s IQ via turd world immigration. He seems to think that resources are unlimited and thus, can be costlessly brought on line to produce the “stuff” that immigrants need. Since I have a doctoral degree in economics, I can tell you that the Miami study is so flawed as to be worthless. David Card, the economist cited as the author, is a libertard con man who always praises that which expands the power of government. He’s at UC Berkeley.

    Here’s some dirt I dug up on Davidson in a flash:

    However, behind the dweeby, faux-naive facade Adam Davidson presents to his listeners is a shrewd propagandist with a long, consistent history of shilling for powerful and destructive interests—and failing to disclose his financial ties to the companies and industries he reports on.

    Source: shameproject (dot) com

    • However, behind the dweeby, faux-naive facade Adam Davidson presents to his listeners is a shrewd propagandist with a long, consistent history of shilling for powerful and destructive interests—and failing to disclose his financial ties to the companies and industries he reports on.

      As they say in Ebonics: He da ho.

    • phillyguy

      well at least handsome Harry is not a threat to steal away our American women.

    • Jason Lewis

      Looks like a bald Tim Wise.

      • I’m sure they have many things in common.

    • John Smith

      Tribal member?

  • DJRicin

    If immigrants aren’t taking jobs from Americans, then why are formerly all-American fields now hiring almost exclusively immigrants? And why are Americans in those fields seeing not only higher levels of unemployment, but also wage stagnation? The clearest example of this is tech jobs in Silicon valley due to Asian immigrants, but the same is true for manual labor jobs as well with regard to Hispanic immigrants.

    Moreover, he completely ignores issues of culture. Balkanization is leading to major ethnic conflict, as each group factionalizes like they have in many parts of South America (think Brazil).

    Finally, what about issues of national security? “Radically open borders” mean borders open to, well, radicals. ISIS has already expressed a willingness to exploit the Mexican border to send extremists into the country. If we don’t regulate these borders, or at least regulate them less than we already do, we will have almost no mechanism to effectively limit the influx of terrorism. Case in point: Germany, the Netherlands, England, and France.

  • listenupbub

    The Miami example has been refuted as being due to a cocaine boom.

    How does our brilliant economist explain the tens of millions of working-age Americans who are out of work? Doesn’t the economy magically create jobs when immigrants take jobs? How does he explain the real, definite figures on job growth that show that immigration does not create jobs?

    Immigration might be better for the economy- if you are measuring by corporate profits, as the economists certainly are. Ironically, this benefits only the so-called 1%, which gets their panties in a bunch.

  • Just when I think that an article has stretched the boundaries of stupidity, I get to read another that moves the bar of stupidity even higher. So, we shouldn’t be too concerned with all these immigrants because, hey, even though they compete for jobs, they are also consumers and thus increase demand. Geeze. Makes you wonder how someone so stupid got a job working at the New York Times. Well…maybe not.
    Okay, here goes. Yes, adding 11 million people, some of working age, would increase demand for such things as food and apartment space. And that would increase the number of jobs. But not in proportion to the increased numbers of people. Yes, some would benefit. But those who benefit are the people who are property owners and business owners. These are the people in position to exploit the immigrant. Yes, if I own an apartment complex, I can charge higher rents for their rooms because the area has flooded with immigrants seeking housing. Or, if I own a restaurant, I can pay my dishwashers and bus people even less if I get more poor immigrants to do those jobs.
    Barring these exceptions, most Americans do not benefit from immigration. Most of us are hurt by immigration. This is especially true of those who compete directly with the immigrant in the labor market. I will put this more plainly so that we can all understand the stupidity of this article. In summation: THE IMMIGRANT DOES NOT CREATE HIS/HER OWN JOB. There, in a nutshell is the issue. I read somewhere that it takes about $100,000 of investment to create ONE JOB. I don’t have the exact figure, but I am sure it is more money than a poor Guatemalan will ever spend at the local Walmart.
    So, in the end, we lose from immigration. Only some of the rich and property owners may gain. Of course, that is probably why we haven’t secured our borders, ya think?

  • listenupbub

    Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they
    simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones.

    How exactly does buying cell phones create jobs? Let’s
    say the corporate headquarters must employ k people, no less, and needs
    no more to handle corporate issues.

    Let’s say that each salesman/retail worker sells phones to 100 people on average.

    Every 100 immigrants creates one job in the cell phone retail, while corporate employment holds steady. They displace 100 American workers.

    Do the haircuts create jobs? Hispanics cut each other’s hair exclusively. Same with food: Hispanics and low-skill immigrants rarely go to restaurants; they buy food from Mexican markets, sometimes Wal-Mart. Perhaps money goes into the hands of certain American farmers, but once again, farming and manufacturing is heavily mechanized, and they will not replace the displaced workers. Wal-Mart workers will not displace Mexican workers.

    There are two better ways of thinking about this, which do not rely on case-by-case studies. 1) Where is the money ultimately going? Is it staying in America, or going abroad? As for American money, is growth in America going to the 1%, or the middle class? 2) What exactly are the unemployment rates? Might it be the case that tens of millions of working-age adults are not employed, and tens of millions more “underemployed?” Have our unemployment rates among Americans gone down as our immigrants have flooded America in the past 10 years?

    • listenupbub

      That Harvard study mentioned in the article found that immigrants cost the American worker 402 billion dollars. So they will just tell us we are misinterpreting, so they don’t have to deal with the reality of the study.

      • Whitetrashgang

        Each and every year.

    • John Smith

      They’ll create jobs… in China, where they make the cell phones.

  • Reynardine

    Little tidbits of propaganda everywhere.

    • John Smith

      Remember, Anthropogenic Global Warming is a “proven fact” that’s just “too complex” for mere mortals to question in the face of contrary evidence.

  • B.E.L.

    Them taking our jobs is my least concern, them turning America into Mexico is my concern.

    • John Smith

      But the Mexican economy is growing so quickly… they must be doing something right finally after all these centuries. There’s obviously room to move up when you’re at rock bottom, but developed economies just don’t grow that quickly.

  • evilsandmich

    I gave this advice to a conservative friend when they encounter such drivel: bring up the environmental impact. Do even the most ardent lefties want us to be stacked up like chordwood in some giant, American sized version of Jakarta? Exactly how many people to they want crammed kinto here until every piece of wildlife and parkland has been made extinct? 400 million? 500 million? Maybe an even billion and then someone on a pogostick can bounce from New York to LA without ever having to leave the roof tops.

    Yes they’re wrong on many other counts on this as well, but sometimes its possible to dumb something down to the point that they can understand.

    • USofAntiWhite

      They don’t care. They see it as your grandkids’ problem. A few years ago a lefty argued that the entire world’s population of 7.2 billion could all fit in Texas, if it were completely paved over. They refuse to see how infinitely horrible that would be. They want Western Civilization destroyed at any cost.

    • Charles Martel

      3rd worlders have a bigger carbon footprint while on welfare than they could possibly achieve via merit in their homeland.

  • Strike_Team

    The people behind the immigration mess control our elected politicians. Period.

    • Sparky

      No, they are controlled by the politicians. You and Charley Bronson need to peddle your drivel elsewhere. Neither of you understand how the three branches of the US government works. You come on here with your spook talk and expect everyone to swallow your Big Foot stories.

      • Whitetrashgang

        Wow what planet are you from?

        • Trevor Pilsbury

          That all you got?

      • anony

        FDR, “the real truth is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson”, a statement he made to Col. House in 1933.

        • Trevor Pilsbury
        • Sparky

          74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of the 1965 Immigration Act. 99% White. We can argue over influence until the cows come home, but those in power, our own kind, signed, sealed, and delivered what we have today. And it STILL continues to this very minute with Graham, McCain, McConnell, …… and on and on…..

          • In 1965, just about all elected white Southerners in Congress were Democrats.

            Fast forward to 2013, and you find that 100% of Democrats and 44% of Republicans in the Senate voted for that year’s major piece of immigration liberalization legislation.

          • Charles Martel

            Bribed by the same Israeli Billionaires that control most of the media and profit from open borders.

        • “Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob.”
          Franklyn Delano Roosevelt

          • Robert Smith

            He should know.

        • Chip Carver

          It’s best to ignore certain posters who pop up out of the blue when the truth comes up. While funny, their ‘playbook’ is also limited, as they use the same old charges and accusations against those who speak honestly in order to hide the ever more obvious truth as to who had an agenda to destroy the West.

          Look at who wrote the Immigration Act of 1965, who pushed for this type of legislation for decades. Look at who lied about what the act meant. Look at who argued for increasing numbers of non-whites immediately after the act took effect, and they did this every year. Just as they do now with their lobbies and their “journalists” like the above clown from the NYT. People have told me that they sometimes wonder how many of them there are under a single name on certain discussion boards, so frantic are their denials of what is happening, and so shrill are they posts that spout politically correct “right wing” and “pro-white” views that are actually neither.

      • Robert Smith

        LOL…you sound like a Republican.

      • Charles Martel

        Really so the Israeli Billionaires that make sure Israel gets $8billion in aid a year & profit from US open borders are being controlled by are being controlled by people who beg for campaign money?

      • Alden

        Please explain

      • DelmarJackson

        Yeah Sparky, you are so right- no one in Washington is influenced at all by billionaire open border globalists who have spent 1.5 billion dollars in lobbying and other efforts to pass another amnesty since their last attempt failed in 2007.

  • pcmustgo

    Liberal out of touch elites are such little s—ts… they like their maids and their good Chinese food… they don’t live around diversity… idiots… they’re such jerks.

  • pcmustgo

    Most of these liberal elites have Asian wives now, and brown hapa children… they have no use for white people… they don’t care.

  • Cecil Broomsted

    Simple logic.

    • Trevor Pilsbury

      For those seeking truth, here is a good place to start

      http://cis.Org/1965ImmigrationAct-MassImmigration

      A little discussed fact that was a major force behind the 1965 immigration act was the family reunification aspects of the bill. It was the Catholic Church applying pressure for this.

      • Alden

        I didn’t know Emanuek Cellar and Jacob Javits were Catholics

        • And from the deniers… *crickets*

  • De Doc

    Davidson et al. should be forced to relocate too some lower class, immigrant neighborhood for a set time and then come back to report any changes of opinion. That’s assuming they survive such a hellish place.

  • Krydse

    What these gentlemen mean is that open borders won’t affect their paychecks. But it will affect mine and millions of other Americans. Unrestricted immigration is a transfer of wealth from the middle to the economic elites. The real motivation of the open borders people is to deconstruct America racially and demographically.

  • Korean guy

    The most well-known and historical bank in Canada is the RBC, Royal Bank of Canada.

    I read that RBC paid an outsourcing company in India, more than $100 million dollars, last year only.

    If we pretend that RBC pays its workers $50000 per year on average, RBC basically shipped more than 2000 jobs to India, permanently. And this is on top of the iGate scandal last year.

    The government of Canada should be actively involved and prevent Canadian workers. If the govenment successfully prevents large companies in Canada from outsourcing, it will gain a couple of benefits – first, it will see a dramatic increase in tax revenue, and secondly, the unemployment rate in Canada will go down dramatically.

  • Jason Lewis

    It’ll be too late by the time the rest of America figures it out.

    • Ella

      Some liberals complain about the traffic congestion so I gladly mention observations about bringing in ten million plus immigrants to add more space and higher cost of living in the area. We need more construction, congestion, schools, pollution, crime and welfare for all! They are speechless.

      • John Smith

        An excellent example is Kalifornia, where they are sensitive to all the air pollution, yet the Democrats are opposed to building more roadways to handle traffic, which means cars that could be going from A to B sit backed up, idling, while making the journey anyway. That produces far more pollution, but they’d rather foist expensive electric cars with little practical range on everyone as the solution instead.

  • TruthBeTold

    So why don’t we open up? The chief logical mistake we make is something called the Lump of Labor Fallacy: the erroneous notion that there is only so much work to be done and that no one can get a job without taking one from someone else. It’s an understandable assumption. After all, with other types of market transactions, when the supply goes up, the price falls. If there were suddenly a whole lot more oranges, we’d expect the price of oranges to fall or the number of oranges that went uneaten to surge.

    Get it?

    Everything you know, see, and believe is a fallacy, erroneous, and assumptions.

    • John Smith

      Economics is a social science and its hypotheses are often untestable and mostly inferential. It explains a good deal, but far from enough to be conclusive, as every unexpected market development, such as crashes, demonstrate. Few economists are personally ultra-wealthy from their own efforts, which should be a clue as to the ultimate practical value of much of their pronouncements, IMO.

      • JohnEngelman

        Economists cannot prove their theories with controlled, repeatable experiments the way chemists and physicists can. We cannot go back in time, choose a different policy, and measure different results.

        Moreover, any economic policy, and any change in economic policy, benefits some people at the expense of other people. Economists present facts and compose arguments that advocate policies that they think will benefit the kind of people they like.

        • anony

          “Moreover, any economic policy, and any change in economic policy, benefits some people at the expense of other people.”

          That implies a zero-sum game. Economics is not a zero sum game since actual wealth is not a fixed amount. Wealth can actually increase. Wealth is created through economic activity.

          • JohnEngelman

            No economic policy benefits everyone.

          • Magician

            I agree John. There is no policy or law that benefits each and everyone in this world.

          • JohnEngelman

            What benefits employers often harms employees, and vise versa. This is particularly true of immigration policy. Immigrants depress wages, inflate prices, and raise profits.

            The Republican Party promotes the interests of the employer – investor class. Figure out the rest yourself.

      • TruthBeTold

        In the past economists stuck to describing how market, social, and economic forces shaped a society. Today, ‘modern’ economists use their theories to predict and more importantly create market forces.

        Now we get nothing but economic theory after economic theory. One theory might work for awhile but it’s doomed to fail over time. And on and on.

        Now we get absurd theories; the government isn’t like a household and can operate on infinite debt. We can mint a trillion dollar coin and all agree its’ value is a trillion dollars so as to give people a visual representation that money is a physical thing whose value comes from our collective desire.

        It occurred to me a few years ago that ‘modern’ economists were little more than CON artists; it’s even in the name, eCONomists.

        An economist can study trends and recommend solutions to foreseeable problems but beyond that it’s all mumbo jumbo.

        • John Smith

          That’s pretty much my thoughts – economics doesn’t have the predictive power the economic modellers/quants think it does.

  • So immigrants actually create jobs? Gosh, aren’t those Japanese so stupid to not realize this?

  • Charles Martel

    The cartoon of people on top of trains saying “Lets Go Be Oppressed” is telling.

  • LHathaway

    He’s told us to look at Miami, a shining example of the benefits of immigration. Lets examine Miami and the outlying areas. Lets even ignore any language issues, and ignore any racial violence or racial issues or tensions in Miami, while we’re at it. Lets look at Miami, this city that is a shining example for the rest of America. Do any White people even live in Miami. Are they to be found anywhere living within the city?

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Yeah there is a large Jewish community in miami and a lot of wealthy neighborhoods populated by mostly whites. The regular neighborhoods are mostly hispanic though.

      • John Smith

        But you have to have a siege mentality to live there, in which manner it truly does resemble Latin America, where the wealthy must live behind walls and gates, have security protection and aren’t really free to travel as they wish locally.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          Actually for years I have talked about building a community or a white community. I also talk about a “secret society” or private society, working together to start businesses and protection etc. For the most part people think I’m living in some kind of far off wacko fantasy land. I must be some kind of psychotic hill billy racist to think up something so crazy. I am a bit shocked by people’s reaction to my ideas because this is just normal behavior I grew up around. I lived in South Florida on the West coast. Almost all the rich people live on private islands or in large walled in towns. By this I don’t mean they have a house on a private island I mean it’s an entire private community with restaurants, stores, several houses, golf course etc. The same for the walled in “private communities”. There are some joke “gated communities” for the wanna be rich. You can easily walk into those. There are real ones though with fifteen foot high walls around them and real security. Some of them may even have private schools inside, grocery stores etc. Of course you can always drive outside of the community and go to the normal store as they are in the suburbs and surrounded by normal communities. Most famous people live like this as well so they aren’t harassed when going grocery shopping and stuff.

          I always took inspiration from it. I would love to live that lifestyle. You have to have your name on the list to get on these island or past the security at the gates. I worked on one private island once raking leaves and cleaning up yards of millionaires. One of the houses actually belonged to Garth Brooks. There’s also a lot of mafia at these places. Of course I have also seen million dollar homes that are one or two blocks from ghetto that are out in the open so just depends how you want to live.

          One of the big reasons for these communities are deed restrictions and rules. Like you can’t have trash in your yard or causing problems in some other way. If I go on a white nationalist website and just write about a white community they scream “it will never work, the government will drop a missile on us”. I mean there are millions of people that live this way in the United States. It’s not a big deal. President Bush has a house there in florida in a private community like the one I mentioned. I guess if you are a bunch of skinheads or something doing crimes or making trouble maybe the place would get shut down like that one compound but I mean an actual normal private community would be nice to join for people who don’t have much money. And then also just working together to start and run businesses also would be nice. Weird I mention things that everybody else on the planet is doing and people look at me like I’;m talking about flying to the moon or something.

  • withcaution

    “…countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens….” So I guess Haiti, India, China, Africa, the Middle East(sans oil) Mexico must be bastions of wealth.

    • Alden

      The Medicare fraud is committed by respectable White 2 and 3 rd generation Cubans
      The biggest Medicare fraud in history was a Russian immigrant in California He got away with one billion in just one year He was not even a Dr His transcript and resume were fake Like so many immigrants he hired a professional test taker to take the state licensing exam

      The fraud was only possible because of the help of the entire Russian immigrant community in S California They got kickbacks for going to his office and allowing their medi cards to be used for fraudulent billing

      Medicare and medical fraud is widespread among ALL immigrant medical providers

      One thing they do is set up little medical supply stores that sell everything from heating pads to $14,000.00 wheelchairs
      The medical supplies don’t actually exist An immigrant Dr writes the prescription an immigrant patient takes it to the store and the immigrant store owner bills Medicare and medical
      For the item

  • withcaution

    Let’s not exclude the “compassionate conservative” from this crime as well.

  • ViktorNN

    VDARE has a hilarious article which gives a pretty hilarious and convincing counter-argument as to why Miami experienced such a boom in the 80s after the Mariel boatlift.

    One word: cocaine.

    • Alden

      There is something about the cocaine on one of those true crime shows I believe the title is”cocaine cowboys”
      The show makes it very clear that the cocaine caused a huge luxury housing and consumer boom in Maimi

      • Unperson

        It also caused the TV show “Miami Vice.”

  • Raymond Kidwell

    The immigrants will create more jobs as prison guards. Someone has to produce those food stamp cards, so more people will be hired at the food stamp factory. There will be more teachers to teach their children, more social workers, more police needed on the street. For every one job they take they will create four. It’s like when Cuba unloaded their criminals on south florida. It had no effect. The fact that Miami has some of the worst schools in the nation is totally unrelated.

    • Alden

      But the prison guards, welfare workers, teachers etc will all be immigrants as they are now

      • John Smith

        I disagree that those professions will be able to be filled by most immigrants because most lack either education, are security risks, or don’t have the requisite language skills.

  • Alden

    The point is that they TAKE JOBS, from Americans.
    Whether it is a dishwasher or a Microsoft executive immigrants take jobs from Americans

    • John Smith

      SOME will create jobs through entrepreneurship, but I do not see a net growth of jobs for US citizens (Chinese, OTOH).

    • MikeofAges

      Not just that they take jobs. They make the development of other people unnecessary. Note that there is an impetus toward outreach for NAM’s in STEM field. Not for whites though. Little outreach even for white girls and women, though the idea gets talked up. Strange, you know, when white men have proven their ability to be productive and innovative in these field. So have white women over the last two generations, in considerable numbers. Nothing wrong with NAM outreach, but it will not produce the large numbers white outreach would. Anyone with shred of sense should know that.

  • John Smith

    I agree to some extent. I believe that immigrants do do many jobs that Americans wouldn’t do, even if wages weren’t depressed by an easy-to-exploit source of labor, so long as we offer welfare. The errant thinking I see here is the assumption that the additional costs imposed on society, through the needs for more police, roads, schools, public utilities, etc. would be offset by immigrants who really cannot be trusted to do those jobs or are not remotely qualified – you don’t put immigrants who speak poor English and have grade-school educations on the skilled jobs.

    The land/environment has a carrying capacity, beyond which population density adversely affects quality of life, even before it exhausts resources. Additionally, too much population forces the environment to deal with greater industrial and traffic emissions, loss of habitat, runoff/erosion/water pollution, etc. I’ve always believe that the expanse of America and the fairly low population density contributed to our quality of life, rather than being packed like sardines into dense conurbations like most everywhere else in the world. I’m unwilling to give that up, even though many on the Left think that’s a good idea and are social engineering us to that point through increased transportation costs.

  • John Smith

    Real wealth would be best created if the talented among the world’s people stayed at home to help divide the burden of wealth creation evenly.

  • KenelmDigby

    An incredibly stupid article.
    It can be very easily refuted thus:

    Perhaps no nation on Earth has a greater super abundance of dirt cheap labor than Bangladesh. Therefore from the ‘logic’ expressed in this article, Bangladesh would be expected to have the best performing economy in the World.
    In fact it’s desperately poor.

  • KenelmDigby

    It’s pure BS for this reason.

    In an advanced industrial economy such as the USA, the rate of unemployment is highly correlated with the rate of economic growth. Now, economic growth itself, in a highly industrialised economy is highly correlated with productivity growth. Further along these contingencies, productivity growth is dependent on the capability levels of the working population. Importing millions upon millions of the low skilled and ill-educated, lowers productive potential rather than increasing it.
    All economic growth in recorded economic history is related to the concept of ‘surplus value’, since the time of the discovery of agriculture, the idea has been for a smaller proportion of workers to produce more surplus value. For example, in the 19th century, a large proportion of the workforce worked on farms. Today a much smaller proportion work in agriculture, and the surplus value they produce is enough to support the displaced workers to do higher value added tasks in industry. This has been the story of raised living standards through the centuries.
    Reversing this process is plain demented.

  • Ken Dometriosis .

    MORE JEWISH LIES AND PROPAGANDA! The MIGRANTS we get are NOT like OUR ancestores who were the REAL immigrants, because they are socio-parasites and welfare skells, criminals and dope-dealing thugs and non-english speaking turd world scumbags who only want our money and free gibs mes!
    If jew boy Davison loves immigrants so much, let’s send them all to his beloved Israel!

    • Earl Turner

      Israel is kicking immigrants out.

      Oh the double standard!

  • ViktorNN

    Simply increasing the population of a country increases economic activity – but so what? By this logic we should try to stuff the entire population of the world into our country.

    The problems with this argument is that it says nothing about where all the wealth in such a society goes – all of it could be going to a tiny minority for all we know. Nor does it necessarily mean that all the new immigrants are as productive as the native population.

    Thus we see that the most of the benefits of the flood of cheap labor into the U.S. are reaped by the business owners who profit off them, while the true costs of that labor are borne by the middle class who have to pay for their social services and the underclass who is displaced by them (just look at how the black population of Southern California has fared since the flood of illegal Mexicans arrived).

    And we see how low-educated, low-skilled, and low-IQ Mexicans who make up most of the immigrants of the past 30 years have done nothing to increase U.S. productivity. 15 or 20 million German immigrants would be far more productive. Instead, the Mexicans are a drag on our society in all sorts of ways. But they do make nice piñatas.

    These are two arguments that can be used refute the pro-immigration “GDP Myth” argument. Feel free to use them!

  • superlloyd

    This idiot’s neighbourhood needs to have radically open household doors that are then flooded with third world rubbish. He wouldn’t be so suicidal then, one hopes.

    • JohnEngelman

      H1B Visas for journalists would end a lot of this nonsense.

      • Earl Turner

        Good one!

  • superlloyd

    ”And yet the economic benefits of immigration may be the ­most ­settled fact in economics.” This is a transparent lie, you unscientific, unthinking, clueless dupe.

  • Light from the East

    This is the most sophisticated and yet misleading article if you just follow every step of it, but I provides some points that debunking the myth of pro-immigrant policy.

    1. Increase in immigrants means increase in GDP for a whole nation but it does not mean increase in GDP per capita. For example, what if the government decides to let 1.3 billion Chinese and 1.2 billion Indians into the USA, you will expect the whole GDP = USA + China + India or even more because the new demand for the infrastructure. So the USA has more than 50% of the world’s total GDP. But GDP per capita falls from $53000 to $10000 and HDI will fall as well. Is this the situation you want?

    2. Even a criminal immigrant bring a positive GDP and is helpful to the economy by New York Slimes’ definition. For instance, a illegal drug dealer gaining amnesty need house, food, haircuts, cellphones, cars. Even 3rd world poor refugees have positive GDP since GDP is never a negative quantity (Poor African countries have positive GDP as well). You absolutely know that bringing such people to the USA only creates a unsafe, chaotic, hazardous living environment to the native people. GDP does not explain and care about those things because it is simply an economic indicator.

    3. The value of culture and environment cannot be measured by GDP. If you are familiar with economy, something cannot be included so it is given a term called “externality”. For example, these include air pollution, crimes, hygiene, moral hazards, etc. The value of a Western culture cannot be bought back by billions or trillions dollars if the current immigration trend continues.

    4. The other important thing is the demographics of a nation, an immigrant is hardly a replacement for a white American. They create different consuming pattern. Their attitude toward spending, saving, and working varies differently. A economic effect of a white and a person from other groups cannot be counted as the same.

    5. Don’t think every immigrant is the same. They come from different races, ethnicity, culture backgrounds, nations, speaking different languages. What kind of immigrants are closest to the American whites so they can assimilate the best? What kind of immigrants are closest to the American whites so they can show the same performance and efficiency exactly like whites? The article simply did not explain and assumed that the ability of immigrants and white people is the same, which can be easily proved wrong.

    • John Smith

      Why couldn’t GDP be negative if debt payments exceed productivity at some point?

      • Light from the East

        Because GDP is never defined that way. GDP (gross domestic product) = C + I + G + NX (consumption + investment + government spending + net export). The concept of debt means that you spend an amount of money beforehand and after some time you pay off it plus its interest. For example, you borrow money from bank to expand your business and the total economic output is growing. Then your gross product and the growth rate of gross product is positive even you have debt. If you have ability to pay off it, your wealth rises and you increase the GDP of the nation. If you don’t have ability to do so, temporarily, the country’s GDP is positive because your expanding business, but in the long run, you will go bankrupt and your wealth balance is 0 but the GDP of the country’s (let’s assume all other factors unchanged) simply goes back to the value before you have your business, but not lower than that.

        Thus, the government decides to borrow money from others (like people, other nations, financial institutions, etc) to use it to build infrastructure, there is a growth of GDP. But if the debt exceeds a certain level of total GDP, it is a warning because no country can enjoy a long term growth without the upper limit of debt. There is a quote from famous economist John Keynes “In the long run we are all dead.” That means expanding of the economy is not unlimited, The game of borrowing money to create GDP cannot last forever. GDP is a economic quantity indicator, not a quality indicator.

        To solve our problems we cannot simply follow what economists tell us, even economics itself has its limit, otherwise why did central banks of all countries try to solve problems but the result is quite unsatisfying? Economists ignore demographics because it is not their profession but it is a common sense to us. We must combine demographics and other studies with economics to really solve the problem.

  • JackKrak

    Yes, yes – more people drives wages UP!

    That’s why wages in China and India are so high. Duh!

    • John Smith

      Chinese wages have risen somewhat (though far from those of developed countries), which is why the Chinese are even looking to Vietnam and India to outsource their labor. Hundreds of millions of Chinese who get the shaft in the labor market could lead to interesting times for the Communists – supposedly there are already 50 million who are unemployed.

  • rebelcelt

    And yet the economic benefits of immigration may be the ­most ­settled fact in economics. A recent University of Chicago poll of leading economists could not find a single one who rejected the proposition.

    When the left has no argument they will say setteled law or settled science now settled fact. They do not want to debate it. If it were not debatable they would love ignorant conservatives to step on their minefield. A liberal would love a conservative that insisted that 2+2= 5. They would parade the debate around for days. ahem…Paul Craig Roberts.

    • Barabbas

      What’s the backstory to your reference to Paul Craig Roberts?

  • Lee_CPA

    You will notice that Davidson only talked about the positive financal impact of more immigration and assumes a linear correlation between the two. (i.e., more people in this country means grocery stores sell more food, clothing stores sell more dry goods, etc, etc).
    .
    What he omitted were the negatives. Increased crime rate means that more of our tax money has to be spent on police, courts, jails, higher insurance rates, etc. Many hospitals on the southwestern border states have been shut down due to illegals using “emergency” services for their health care. Even more taxes have to be expended to provide English as a Second Language (ESL) teachers. Also noted that the low skilled, low income immigrant with several kids uses far more services, such as education, than he contributes in taxes. The immigrants are more likely to be on welfare and other government assistance.
    .
    Some articles I have seen put the net cost of immigration at around $120 BILLION per year.
    .
    So yeah, Mr Garcia, TEAR DOWN THAT FENCE!!! COME ON OVER!!! We haven’t maxxed out the national credit card yet. It’ll be fun while it lasts….

    • Ella

      I live in an area where it is over half white, but the elementary schools in some classes have no white children as I witnessed recently. Over 1,000 people home school their children to avoid this real cultural change “shock.”. Most children cannot speak English or are ELL. Schools are a nightmare if you are middle class white, so we do the alternative.

  • Douglas Quaid

    These are the same lunatic economists that get up and say things like when a hurricane knocks out half of a city that it is actually good for the economy. The hurricane was a blessing in disguise because it created jobs for people to clean up and rebuild. These people are insane.

    • John Smith

      War must be even better for economies on the receiving end then.

  • ElComadreja

    It won’t take anywhere near that long.

  • John Smith

    In purchasing power, but not nominal value.

  • jvzuuk

    Since when is immigration only about economics? Allowing millions of people in every year from countries whose cultures are radically different from our own invariably leads to a loss of group harmony, as even the leftist author and social scientist Robert Putnam has conceded. People are much more willing to help each other, to work together and to trust each other when they share a common cultural background. In short, large-scale immigration undermines social cohesion, with serious negative consequences for our society.

  • newscomments70

    This sounds similar to Tim Wise’s attempt to debunk “The Color of Crime”.

  • george00

    The first part of what you wrote is just another way saying the media is being run not to brainwash people but to make money. It’s an old argument and it doesn’t hold up. If ratings are what they’re after how about televising a debate between Al Sharpton and Jarred Taylor. I think the ratings would be very high. What about a race based All Stars football game between the best White players on one team against the best black players on the other. That would get high ratings but it will never happen because that would put ideas in people’s heads that the media doesn’t want us to have.

  • E. Newton

    There is no arguing with the author’s logic. If 11 million unskilled, completely uneducated, criminally inclined immigrants are a good thing, then 33 million a year is a better thing and 66 million the best thing possible.

  • James Bowen

    I have never read an article so out of touch with reality as the one
    Adam Davidson wrote in the New York Times. If one takes a look at the
    comments section of his column, it is pretty evident that the readers of
    his article did not either. I recommend reading Steve Camarota’s
    response to the Davidson column. It can be found on the Center for Immigration Studies blog entries with a date of 30 March 2015.

  • rebelcelt

    Barrabas, sorry it took so long to respond. I have been working 70+ hour weeks lately. My answer is….umm I was interrupted and hit post. I cannot remember how I was going to enter Dr. Roberts into the conversation. But, I am sure it was a very deliberate, well thought out and articulate fine point, that made everybody else look…well elementary. But, now you will just have to accept my superior moral standing in it’s stead. Either way you are the better for it. Regards…