Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans Open to Secession

Scott Malone, Reuters, September 19, 2014

The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away, while 53.3 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose the notion.

The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.

Anger with President Barack Obama’s handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants drives some of the feeling, with Republican respondents citing dissatisfaction with his administration as coloring their thinking.

But others said long-running Washington gridlock had prompted them to wonder if their states would be better off striking out on their own, a move no U.S. state has tried in the 150 years since the bloody Civil War that led to the end of slavery in the South.

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Republicans were more inclined to support the idea, with 29.7 percent favoring it compared with 21 percent of Democrats.

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By region, the idea was least popular in New England, the cradle of the Revolutionary War, with just 17.4 percent of respondents open to pulling their state out.

It was most popular in the Southwest, where 34.1 percent of respondents back the idea.

That region includes Texas, where an activist group is calling the state’s legislature to put the secession question on a statewide ballot. One Texan respondent said he was confident his state could get by without the rest of the country.

“Texas has everything we need. We have the manufacturing, we have the oil, and we don’t need them,” said Mark Denny, a 59-year-old retiree living outside Dallas on disability payments.

Denny, a Republican, had cheered on the Scottish independence movement.

“I have totally, completely lost faith in the federal government, the people running it, whether Republican, Democrat, independent, whatever,” he said.

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  • MekongDelta69

    Sooner or later, one way or another, somehow, someway, this formerly great country is going to be split up.

    • D.B. Cooper

      Don’t shed any tears. Caesar’s Rome doesn’t exist anymore, and neither does the USSR. What’s that saying?
      Men go and come, but Earth abides.”

      • Sick of it

        Rome’s Germanic successor states became far greater than Rome. We can build something far better than the previous short-sighted experiment.

        • phillyguy

          Yes, but it took 700 years to fulfill

          • Sick of it

            With rather low level tech, sure.

          • Michael Robert Ryan

            Yes, and those 700 years were the worst in Western history: they weren’t called the Dark Ages for nothing.

          • none of your business

            Dark Ages is just atheist enlightenment propaganda against Christianity. It has also been the propaganda of pro islam anti White propaganda for centuries.

          • Stiv44

            Some people also have this tendency of calling all the Medieval period ‘dark’. There was a period of growth and learning during the High Middle Ages.

          • Germanicus

            Absolutely. Michael Robert has probably inadvertently absobed the anti-European virus that has undermined the societies of its progeny states.

          • Garrett Brown

            Youtube “Dark Ages” and it should be the second or maybe the first documentary. It proves that those seven centuries weren’t “dark” at all.

          • John R

            Worst in Western history? Don’t be so sure. Just wait another fifty years or so; the new century is only starting. I am sure that, at the beginning of 1914 no one predicted all that would happen, either, over the next half century.

        • SoulInvictus

          “Rome’s Germanic successor states became far greater than Rome.”

          Who would that be? The only spiritual and world power successor to Rome is the US. And we don’t hold a candle to the original.
          Not in longevity (does anyone here think there is even a remote possibility the US will last 1,000 years), not in style, not in any respect really. We’re Rome-lite with aircraft carriers, nuke plants, and a half dead space program…

          • Garrett Brown

            The Visigoths.

          • SoulInvictus

            Then I missed the western Civ class where we covered the thousand year Visigoth empire spanning the entirety of the globe known to them, forever marking language & history, setting the bar for human achievement. I was curious who you had in mind as being greater than Rome. The British/American empire is really the only comparable culture in achievement and geographical domination.
            But even then we’re pale imitations of our father.

          • Garrett Brown

            I think he was just referencing who took over the land after Rome declined, not which was superior.

          • Sick of it

            All of our western nations came from the Gothic peoples…including Italy. The West which dominated the world until racial aliens destroyed us from within. Rome didn’t have power over the far East or mysterious lands in the West like we have. Plus, we invented things rather than just ripping off other nations’ ideas.

          • Periapsis

            Modern Ukrainians are descended from Goths both genetically and culturally too. So are many other peoples in present day Eastern and Southeastern Europe.

          • Sick of it

            I suppose those Romans who would have mouthed off would have ended up dead, so it’s a bit non sequitur. Do you honestly think we could not have conquered the entire world generations ago with different leadership and goals? Not the piddling portion conquered by Rome.

          • Michael Robert Ryan

            Unless one counts Byzantium (which was Roman in name only) the Roman Empire didn’t last anywhere near 1,000 years.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            That’s correct. The “Roman Empire” didn’t last very long actually. It is a myth.

            It all depends on how you define the “Empire”. Rome was already declining by 300 A.D.

            They never conquered the whole known world either. They didn’t take over the Whole Middle East or the Far East. There is evidence of contact between ancient Rome and ancient China.

            China was arguably a BIGGER economy than Rome during this period of time.

          • Garrett Brown

            You don’t need to conquer the world to be classified as an empire lol.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Never said they did.

            The myth was that they conquered the “known” world. Yet that is an untrue assertion.

            Ancient China was known and so were some Middle Eastern Empires. They didn’t ever conquer these lands.

          • Garrett Brown

            It depends on what century you’re referring to. In Augustus times they basically had conquered the known world except the far Middle East and India.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            What about ancient China? Never conquered them either.

          • Garrett Brown

            I don’t believe they knew about them since they had no knowledge of where gengis khan can from when he invaded later on. I’m sure they knew of Asia but not it’s civilizations or armies.

          • Stiv44

            “And given who helped initiate the fall of the Empire, I think Romans would take offense to talk of “Germanic successors”.”

            Germanic tribes did conquer and sack them.

            Byzantium had a pretty powerful number of Germanics, and even some Vikings, in it’s Guard and Army.

            That’s two ways of taking over the role of typical Romans. Almost like the Mexican/Central American situation in the U.S.

          • Garrett Brown

            Vikings are Germanics.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          Germanic is the key word there. Unfortunately the great white dopes have destroyed most of the German stock.

          .

    • lily-white

      balkanization…

    • Augustus3709

      And what’s going to happen to the military bases and nuclear sites? I say salvage what we can. Running away will leave all the weaponry to leftist maniacs.

      • We’re going to use those nuclear weapons on the domestic communists. Yes, I hate them that much.

      • Periapsis

        No, that must not happen. If we cannot take them under out control, then they must be blown up or otherwise rendered useless to them. Leaving operable nuclear weapons, submarines or other weapons that can hit our people anywhere in the world is a supremely bad idea. All it takes to destroy many weapons systems are cans of diesel fuel, hammers, and bolt-cutters.

        • Augustus3709

          Yeah, technological scorched earth. Wouldn’t be hard.

          I’m reminded of South Africa, the military is falling apart under black leadership. They are incapable of helicopter upkeep for instance.

          The real problem is Whites who would help enemy groups for money. You cannot betray your community for money. EVER.

          • Periapsis

            Indeed, the penalty for that should be death.

          • Sick of it

            Treason had always been punished with death until various socialists (i.e. traitors) took over our nations.

          • adplatt126

            It would too be hard. Bases aren’t protected by guards armed with water pistols holding traffic signs.

          • Augustus3709

            I’m thinking more of a SHTF scenario, where all order is breaking down. Take what you can, sabotage what you can’t.

          • Periapsis

            Right now you are correct, but when the collapse comes there will be weapons of mass destruction lying about for Muslims and darkies to turn against us. That must be prevented by blowing them up or sabotaging them. Remember, that which we cannot take with us must be destroyed or rendered useless for our enemies, a tactic Russians have used time and time again to crush their enemies. Let the darkies and Muslims conquer ashes and wastelands.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Unfortunately, if Americans want secession for all the wrong reasons, it’s worse than useless. If whites don’t realize that race is the main reason for secession, then it’s a sign that they’re still truly clueless.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Independence movements will be led by people with a broader view of things. The masses can’t be expected to be as enlightened.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        A broader view is correct. White Nationalists share a common purpose of preserving our race and culture, securing White homelands for our people. A modern Confederate States of America would obviously not include South Florida, Metro Atlanta, or Northern Virginia. It would absolutely include West Virginia, and would be foolish to not include a new state of Western Maryland, and other new states that might result, like Western Maryland, from red county areas seceding from blue states such as a new state of South Ohio bordering West Virginia. The War of Northern Aggression was 150 years ago. A modern Confederacy would contain the core of the original Confederacy, but require many modifications on the peripheries to achieve the modern goal of an independent White Nationalist homeland.

        • Long Live Dixie

          The future Southern folk state must include all areas that are traditionally Southern. This includes southern Florida, metro Atlanta, and especially northern Virginia. The invaders who live in those areas can be shown the door.

          Southern nationalism is not white nationalism, so there is no reason for us to include areas of the North that are supposed hotbeds of white nationalism. In fact, white nationalists often find themselves in opposition to Southern nationalism by their desire to turn the South into a pan-European melting pot. White nationalism is not a Southern worldview and it tends to attract dysfunctional ideologues.

          However, there are still remnant communities of Southerners in the extreme Lower Midwest, and those people should be included in the South’s future folk state.

          • adplatt126

            The future Southern national state will be roughly what, 30 percent black and 10 percent hispanic? Good luck. LOL. How’s white nationalism looking now?

          • “How’s white nationalism looking now?”

            Three cheers for an untenable abstraction!

          • adplatt126

            It’s definitely not an abstraction. As to whether or not it’s tenable in the long run, that’s hard to say. I’d argue that in the true long-term its not only tenable but perhaps inevitable. Many would argue that the tenability of the Southern secessionist position was answered by the Federal Government a century and a half ago. The point I was driving at anyhow, was that Southern nationhood, absent some meaningful sense of white identity, is not really at all desirable as far as I can tell. Great, now you’ll have a smaller country overflowing with the same dark skinned imbeciles and dominated by the same prevailing ideology that destroyed this one.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Exactly. Southern Nationalism minus White identity is nothing more than Rainbow Confederate hogwash. White racial realists must not connect ourselves with Rainbow Confederates.

          • Long Live Dixie

            adplatt126: Southern nationhood, absent some meaningful sense of white identity . . ..

            Who said anything about “absent some meaningful sense of white identity”? I said absent white nationalism. White nationalism is a newly-created and non-Southern niche within white racialism. White nationalists seek to either turn Dixie into a black homeland or to turn it into a pan-European melting pot. Aside from ideological problems, white nationalism disproportionately attracts cowards, defeatists, anti-social rejects, and ideological fanatics who relish their fringe status. Dixie has racialist traditions dating to the early years of settlement 400 years ago. We do not need white nationalists telling us about a white identity.

          • none of your business

            I doubt Tyson, Perdue and the rest of the farmers and food processors will give up their illegal alien Hispanic workers.

          • Who Me?

            Lots of the meat processors in Colorado have given up their Hispanic workers–in favor of Somalians! (Check out Greeley, CO for reference.

          • toldev

            The large corporate farms and food processors may not want to give up their cheap non white labor. However most white consumers would prefer their food to be handled exclusively by whites. I certainly would and for two reasons. The first being to support the white working class. The second and even more important reason is food safety. There have been numerous widespread outbreaks of food-born infections over the past few years. All caused by that cheap labor and the poor hygiene of the cheap laborers. So what if I have to spend an extra 50 cents per pound of ground beef. It is worth it to keep my family safe from things like E coli.

          • Periapsis

            Or something far worse……God only knows what else these third worlders are carrying. AIDS was in our midst for decades before the virus that causes it was discovered. Before doctors did not know what was causing bizzare illnesses and deaths since the 1960’s. In other words, we are unwilling subjects in a biological experiment against our will.

          • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rayford

            Realize this was a full dozen years before AIDS was officially discovered and recognized.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Mexicans left Alabama in droves after Alabama enacted a very modest law against illegal immigrants. The law was immediately challenged by the US government and was soon overturned. Imagine that an a Southern-wide scale with laws about Mexicans (no distinction being made between legal and illegal) and without a government in Washington sticking up for the Mexicans. Millions will self-deport.

          • Sick of it

            Corporations like Tyson would not have a say in things…or by God I would burn all of them down to the ground myself. They work for the other side.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I’m with you. A White ethnostate should not even be 1% Negro. I don’t think of H. K. Edgerton as a Southern Nationalist. He is a Negro who respects White Southerners, one of the few decent Negroes out there. For a few Negroes like H. K. to remain in a White ethnostate, provided they are less than 1% of the population, is the absolute limit of what should be accepted. Ideally, no Negroes whatsoever should be allowed. White Southerners who think that a population 30% Negro will not experience the problems that always occur with Negroes are delusional. They are super delusional if they don’t want Copperhead minded White Nationalists from Northern and Western states in their midst, but will allow a massive Negro population to remain in their midst. There is a name for these types of White Southerners. Rainbow Confederates.

          • Sick of it

            I don’t know any “Rainbow Confederates”…people have chosen sides at this point.

          • Long Live Dixie

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: They are super delusional if they don’t want Copperhead minded White Nationalists from Northern and Western states in their midst, but will allow a massive Negro population to remain in their midst.

            Can you name those people? I’ve never met or heard of any. The few remaining Rainbows are fully supportive of Northern migration to the South because demographics mean nothing to them.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I’ll gladly name one: Long Live Dixie. You object to White Nationalism. I happen to agree with Jared Taylor. If Southern Nationalism is not driven primarily by White Identity, it is pointless. Southern Nationalists who eschew White Identity blindly trust Negroes like H. K. Edgerton. They don’t see that Negroes are consummate bull crap artists. Edgerton is one of these. He loves to touch and try to kiss White women. Southern Nationalists buy into his crap because he spews Yankee hating bull crap. White Nationalists, like myself, know that this is nothing more than hate Whitey crap hiding behind the polite face of Southern Nationalism. Real White Nationalism involves Whites only.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I’m your example of a Southern nationalist who “will allow a massive Negro population to remain in [my] midst”?

            Either you are lying or you have not read anything I have ever written on this subject, including my posts in this discussion.

            I see that you are still ranting about a lack of white identity as though I had not already answered that issue very clearly and you continue to absurdly use ‘white nationalism’ as a synonym for ‘white racialism’.

            HK Edgerton is not affiliated with the Southern nationalist movement. He is affiliated with the apolitical Sons of Confederate Veterans.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I’ve read your posts. I suggested that South Florida is of no use to Whites, as it is mostly Hispanic. I suggested that metro Atlanta is of no use to White racialists, as it is mostly Negroes, Northern White Leftist transplants, and other non-Whites. I suggested also that Northern VA is the the same. I am looking at reality. In 2014, not 50, or especially 150 years ago. You want to reclaim the above three areas for the Confederacy. Sounds great in theory, but is beyond absurd in practice. Certain parts of the former Confederacy need to be left behind, the three aforementioned especially. Spilling precious White blood over these areas would be tragic and absurd. Our enemies now dominate these areas, so we need to let them go, and direct our focus to greener pastures. The lower Midwest is one of those greener pastures, yet you want nothing to do with us, because you are still fighting a 150 year old war that pitted brother against brother. This is why I am calling you a Rainbow Confederate. You have more sentiment for the three formerly Southern areas I mentioned than the greenest pastures in our land, because you are not living in 2014. In the lower Midwest, that block of red counties on voting maps that has few Blacks and other non-Whites, and strong White racial realism, a White homeland exists in 2014. All we need to preserve our homeland is secession to form new states, and later secession with other states from D. C. to maintain what we have. Why would we spill blood over Atlanta or Miami? They are no more use to us than Chicago or Detroit. Northerners have the sense to not want to reclaim Detroit. We know it is not worth our efforts, and would involve spilling precious White blood. Stop fighting the Civil War my friend. White Americans need to stand shoulder to shoulder, and claim our homelands. Those homelands lie in areas that were on both sides of the War of Northern Aggression.

          • Long Live Dixie

            The future Southern national state will be roughly what, 30 percent black and 10 percent hispanic?

            Blacks are more than 30% of the population in only three of sixteen Southern states.
            I recommend that you research the Great Migration if you want to see what happens when the South is run by Southerners.

            How’s white nationalism looking now?

            As bad as always – and your defeatism only reinforces that. You know, it’s an odd trait that white nationalists think white fate is so heavily determined by non-whites. The Southern people could triumph even if we were outnumbered by non-whites. What’s holding us back is not blacks and Mexicans, it is whites and the USA.

          • SoulInvictus

            “it’s an odd trait that white nationalists think white fate is so heavily determined by non-whites.”

            No, but it is determined by birth rates.
            That is an unavoidable but inconvenient truth.

          • none of your business

            I have a suggestion. Build a great wall between DC and N Virginia. Fill the river with explosives. Build sniper towers. Do the same on the Maryland side. Level DC to the ground and give it back to Maryland.
            But what will you do with the blacks.?

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Emphasizing “Southern” over White Nationalism is not my cup of tea. I have no desire to live near Negroes, or to live in a state that secedes, but includes Negroes. This is why I wouldn’t think that Southern Nationalists would want Negro dominated Metro Atlanta in a new Southern nation, or Greater Miami, where one rarely hears English spoken. South Florida no more belongs in a seceded Confederate States of America than Mexico or Cuba. South Florida is Latin America.

          • Long Live Dixie

            – White nationalism has no roots in the South. It is a foreign ideology whose adherents are often openly anti-Southern.

            – When have I ever said I want to live near blacks? Perhaps you’re confused by thinking that white nationalism is a synonym for white racialism. I’ve said here before more than once that I support a South African homeland style policy for dealing with the blacks who don’t self-deport from Dixie after independence.

            – Handing parts of Dixie over to the USA is not an option. First, it recognises the claims made by the invaders. Second, it creates an untenable military situation by having numerous borders with the USA instead of just one. Third (see above), millions of non-whites (as well as Yankees) will self-deport. Those who are more stubborn can be isolated by the Southern majority.

            Why are white nationalists always talking about the greatness of the white race but also always talking about ceding land to non-whites (which implies that whites aren’t able to conquer land)?

          • Sick of it

            “Why are white nationalists always talking about the greatness of the white race but also always talking about ceding land to non-whites (which implies that whites aren’t able to conquer land)?”

            Because their people are not as passionate and militaristic as the Southron people.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Wrong. Because we are realists. Only an idiot would spill precious White blood fighting Negroes to regain control of Atlanta or Richmond, or fighting Spanish speaking Bronze race aliens to take back South Florida. Whites don’t need these areas. Whites Nationalists are focused on greener pastures. Northern Georgia counties seceding from Georgia, East Tennessee seceding as well, both joining to form the new state of Franklin, with a capital in Knoxville. Forging alliances with a new state of Western Maryland, and other newly formed states resulting from secession from Multicult cesspools. Southern Whites need to be prepared to defend themselves against Negroes/Bronzes, not incite conflict with their Copperhead brethren North of the Mason-Dixon.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Not as “passionate and militaristic as the Southron people”, eh Long Live Dixie? Just my two cents, but your blend of passion and militarism is only going to spill the precious blood of Southrons needlessly. If I am understanding you correctly, you would be willing to die trying to reclaim Northern VA as a proud part of the South. That is just not logical. Scores of Southrons dying to evict Blacks, Hispanics, and Homosexuals from an area where few Southrons live, and most Southrons want to get the heck out for greener pastures, moving out to the Shenandoah Valley, for example, to buy land, and really live like true Southrons. You need to listen to a great old song written by a good old Southron again, “The Gambler” by Kenny Rogers. Think about what he is saying. Fighting to reclaim certain non-White infested parts of the South for Southrons is like trying to re-bottle spilled milk.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            White Nationalism is not anti-Southern unless you take umbrage at us having no use for your pro-Southern Negro buddies like H. K. Edgerton. White Nationalists like myself are segregationists, like Southerners were in the good old days. We like the parts of the South that have few Negroes or Bronze invaders, but have the sense to know that other parts that are Negro dominated are done for.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            If Southern Nationalism is not White Nationalism, Southern Nationalists are Rainbow Confederates. True White Nationalists want no part of Negro infested cess pools like Mississippi anyway. Not unless the Whites there evict the Negroes. The part of the South that interests White Nationalists interested in preserving the White race and our cultures is the Upper South/Southern Mountains, where there are few Negroes and Whites are mostly racial realists. A state like Mississippi has no place in a White ethnostate unless the Whites there show the courage to evict the Negro population. I know that is not going to happen.

          • SoulInvictus

            It is an impossibility. The West can’t even commit to the fact we’re in a civilization level struggle with Islam. Has any Western country acted to reduce muslim immigration even in the face of open hostility, nope. Then the likelihood of warfare or expulsion necessary as a prerequisite for a white ethnostate is slim outside of possibly Australia. Who would then face total isolation.

            This question has already been asked and answered by the pre and post Civil War South and South Africa. Sad as it is to say, western society has demonstrated (or some would argue its been deceptively led to) the direction it wishes to take, one of self destruction and passive acquiescence to invasion and demographic displacement.

          • Sick of it

            Spain did it.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Soullvictus: I would be interested in how anyone conceives you retake a nation which has a 50%+ brown population, which means your military and police forces will also be largely arab, hispanic, and black.

            By fighting like Hell, as the men of the West have always done.

          • Periapsis

            Even if we fight like Hell, there is no guarantee of victory. Still, when looking at the alternatives, fighting like Hell and dying is preferable to being worse than slaves. At any rate, with the direction events are moving, we will have to fight like Hell. I would prefer though to do that with a plan in mind that has a fighting chance of success in the long term. The worst outcome imaginable is large numbers of us dying in battle for nothing.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            You definitely see reality. Long Live Dixie is living in a fantasy world.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I believe in fighting smart. Fighting smart does not entail spilling precious blood over Negro/Bronze dominated cess pools. This is like fighting to re-bottle spilled milk. Let the Bronzies have Gator infested South Florida.

          • DaveMed

            Fighting like hell works when it’s man to man, sword against sword.

            When it’s shotguns against helicopters… it’s a different story.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            White Nationalists and White racial realists are fully aware of the Islamic issue. The only non-White races that have demonstrated even a modicum of ability to maintain Western Civilization, and live amongst Whites are the Red and Yellow races. Islamists have no place in Western Civilization. The late David Yeagley, one of our foremost advocates, was especially forthright on the Islamic threat, as is Jared Taylor. The Negro and Bronze races are both menaces to Whites, as are Muslims.

          • DaveMed

            Terrific post. Every word dripping with painful truth.

          • Long Live Dixie

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: If Southern Nationalism is not White Nationalism, Southern Nationalists are Rainbow Confederates.

            Only if white nationalists have a monopoly on racialism, which would be an incredibly stupid assumption to make.

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: The part of the South that interests White Nationalists . . ..

            I don’t care what interests white nationalists. White nationalism is anything but a Southern movement. They look at our land as something for them to take, not as the sacred soil of their ancestors. It doesn’t matter – white nationalists are such cowardly defeatists that nothing will ever come of their claims to the Upper South, anyway.

          • Sick of it

            The Upper South has more liberals than race realists.

          • Long Live Dixie

            That’s true in the Yankee-infested states of Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia, however it’s less true of the more Southern states of West Virginia, Kentucky, and Missouri.

          • Sick of it

            In that case, West Virginia has been changing…or maybe waking up a little bit. I agree re: the other two.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            This you are right about. Western Maryland is much like West Virginia. Their secession movement is brilliant. Western Marylanders are realists. They know better than to fight like fools to try to expel the non-Whites and New England Leftists from downstate Maryland. Dying to try to reclaim Baltimore would be stupid. Blacks are now a majority there. Fighting to save Hagerstown, Frederick and Cumberland, which are still redeemable, is a worthy fight. Whites still dominate these cities. A new state of Western Maryland would cut hand outs, and non-Whites would drain into downstate, leaving a White homeland.

          • Long Live Dixie

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: Blacks are now a majority there.

            The South belongs to Southerners.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Whatever. Have you ever even been to West Virginia? We don’t call it Almost Heaven and West by God Virginia for nothing. The best state of all 50. Any Southern Nationalist that doesn’t love West Virginia, East Tennessee, the Ozark mountain region of Missouri/Arkansas needs to get away from the Negro infested deep South, and visit these areas. These are the places worth fighting for, not Negro infested cesspools like Atlanta and Richmond.

          • Garrett Brown

            Have fun attempting to put all Negroes in the south back under Jim Crow laws in your “southern nationalist” fantasy.

          • Long Live Dixie

            There’s that attitude again – “whites will be stifled by blacks”. It’s so typical of white nationalists to think like that. White nationalists have such a high opinion of blacks and a low opinion of whites.

          • Garrett Brown

            So you have no solution to the high population of Negroes in the south? Have fun even getting your movement to work in the first place then.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Garrett Brown: So you have no solution to the high population of Negroes in the south?

            I have discussed the solution in at least three posts in this thread.

          • Garrett Brown

            You’ve made tons of posts.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Cutting hand outs in a newly seceded state will only be effective at catalyzing an exodus of non-White leeches if they are a small percentage of the population. They would drain out of Knoxville, for example, but not out of Atlanta or Richmond. The latter two would have African style chaos that would make the Ferguson riots look like civilized by comparison. This is the way Blacks are.

          • Long Live Dixie

            You’re awfully scared of blacks, aren’t you? Luckily, that condition is most common among Northern white nationalists, not among Southern nationalists.

          • Sick of it

            They don’t seem to realize that most blacks don’t know how to shoot (much like Northern white liberals). We grow up shooting guns…and even hunting with bows.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Garrett and I are racial realists. We see the Negro race for what they are 99% of Negroes are sadistic sociopaths. Garrett and I realize that Whites dying in droves to expel these animalistic inferiors from places like Atlanta, that they have destroyed and where they are the majority, is just plain idiocy. We want to preserve and maintain White homelands, a goal that is achieveable once secession gets rolling. Turning time back does not work. We don’t need buckets of Negroes in our midst anyway.

          • Long Live Dixie

            It’s hilarious that you think whites would die in droves to free Atlanta and other big cities from blacks. Your opinion of blacks is massively overinflated – typical of whites nationalists.

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: We don’t need buckets of Negroes in our midst anyway.

            Did I say we do? Since I have said the opposite of that, you only show yourself to be a liar each time you suggest I want to keep the blacks around.

          • Sick of it

            Garrett, do you honestly think people like me would accept Jim Crow again? We’ve had more than enough. One of my cousins was even murdered by a black.

          • Garrett Brown

            What would you attempt?

          • Sick of it

            Perhaps you could read a military history of this country going back about 400 years. Attempt? Third world savages are like children when it comes to war.

          • Garrett Brown

            So you’re implying you’re going to kill millions of negroes… That’s hilarious. The north and many more countries would not allow it.

          • SoulInvictus

            If you went back a month or two ago, he and I discussed that at length.
            There isn’t the army or the will necessary to implement any semblance of CSA 2.0.

          • SoulInvictus

            It doesn’t take tactical geniuses to riot, burn, and murder.
            Reference, South Africa.

          • Sick of it

            I’m amazed that a southerner can have such high expectations of black men. I’ve lived around them my entire life and, to be blunt, I’d be surprised if most of them would stand and fight against people who aren’t cowering in fear.

          • SoulInvictus

            It’s not exactly setting high expectations so much as acknowledging the proven track record for mayhem.
            Do South African farmers not get machete’d in the night anymore?
            Are there not rampant problems with black mob violence already (see White Girl Bleed a Lot and SBDL)?
            Have there not already been riots, burning, looting, etc in most major cities over the past 50 years?

            And that’s in (relatively) good times.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Exactly. He lives in a fantasy world. I would love too see the clock turned back 50 years, but I know that turning back time is simply not possible. We must operate as realists within the here and now. Blacks would never give into being re-segregated. They have become too arrogant. The blood of Whites would flow in the streets like rivers if we tried this. I don’t wish to see our people die unless absolutely necessary.

          • Garrett Brown

            I suppose he’s perfectly fine with mowing down negroes in the streets. That’s basically what would have to happen unless you drugged their food or something.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            He is probably a mental patient who lives in a group home somewhere in the Deep South. He probably thinks he is Robert E. Lee when he is off of his meds.

          • Garrett Brown

            There will never be another Robert E Lee. He was one of a kind.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Very true. Robert E. Lee was an amazing. My ancestors were still in Germany and Sweden when he was fighting the tyranny of the Yankee industrial barons. If my forebears had just arrived as new immigrants, chances are that several would have been sent to die by the Union Army. Where they did settle in Ohio, there are many descendants of Copperheads.

          • Garrett Brown

            I have been many times, a lot of my friends went there after graduating. It is a travesty what they are doing in that school.

          • Periapsis

            That could be eventually become a reality, once all white Americans have secured a homeland from which they can strike forth to reclaim territory lost to them. Large numbers of blacks, browns, Muslims and their enablers have to be driven out first, or otherwise rendered permanently irrelevant. Preferably, that would be making them someone else’s problem instead of ours. This will be a decades long undertaking, just as the Tribe’s efforts against us also spanned decades.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Exactly!! You know how to think. A homeland free of the non-White detritus.

          • Sick of it

            Where would this homeland be? The liberal North? That’s what is properly termed a fantasy.

          • Periapsis

            Where we can seize it back from the brown hordes, and that does include a large belt through the South and Midwest. We should grab as much of the former U.S. as possible, before re-conquering more of it.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Exactly. In the lower Midwest, Liberals are basically looked upon as freaks. The Lower Midwest has many descendants of Copperheads, Southrons from Virginia who settled here, and a lot of German ancestry. Folks here do not like change. Churches and Christian values are strong. Huge blocks of rural counties could secede to form new states. Southern Ohio, east of Dayton/Cincy and South of Columbus, is a huge area of red counties. Few Blacks and other non-Whites. There is a long border with WV/KY. The few Blacks would just move out if secession occurred. They already think Whites here are “racist”, so I doubt many would choose to stay. A small number of Asians would stay, of course, as they run some excellent restaurants around these parts.

          • SoulInvictus

            As the fate of Europe and the US is exposed like a raw wound for even the most blind to see, I fully expect Australia to become the last white bastion. Demographically, that is already almost the case.
            I foresee those who can afford to hurdle the immigration standards moving there. Which is why it’s on my to do list to accomplish within the next few years. Hopefully before the US economy implodes.

          • Sick of it

            Australia is currently being invaded by masses of third worlders (complete with interracial relationships after they pop off the boat), as Aussies here have complained.

    • That’s a good point. If Americans want to secession simply to have less government intrusion (not a bad thing to want secession, but somewhat limited), but still inclined toward multiculturalism and other cultural-Marxist schemes, it will not work. We will end up making the same mistakes of the past that had doomed us from the beginning.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        Multi-culturalism requires government force, it is not natural. The people who profess it do not practice it.

        • Sick of it

          And secessionist forces would put down such Commissars like mad dogs. We’ve had enough.

        • adplatt126

          Not just government force, tyranny. You can’t force disparate groups together, let alone borderline subspecies that have evolved separate traits after thousands of years of divergent evolution, without tyranny. They would naturally segregate themselves if left to their own devices and permitted even a modicum of real freedom and choice over their own destiny.

      • antiquesunlight

        The good news is that there appears to be a significant and growing minority of people who think multiculturalism is total nonsense.

        • Sick of it

          They’re a majority where I live. Actually, the more I talk to people from all over, the more I’m convinced that most just mouth the usual platitudes in public without believing a word of it.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Exactly. As Jared Taylor accurately opined about the Scottish secession movement, it will only hurt Scotland if it includes a foolish anti-racist immigration policy. If wacky Negrophilic Rainbow Confederates want to secede but embrace Negroes, they will be even worse off. If, in this case, Negroes would move back South, though, that would suit me fine. Many Northerners would be more than happy to get the Negroes out of our states.

        • SoulInvictus

          I happened to be in line for a ride at Disney with a Scot family and felt compelled to gently nudge the conversation to politics to get a feel for their take on things.
          They were indistinguishable from their American brainwashed lefty counterparts in every way.

          • Sick of it

            They’ve worked with muslims in the past. In fact, many CONVERTED to Islam after the muslims took over…a fact which is not talked about in modern American history books.

          • Periapsis

            Indeed, sometimes I wish I could be wandering the Earth as a vengeful spirit. That way I could see how their war of destruction, deceit and genocide against results in their own extermination, and I could strike back against the ring leaders who could do nothing to stop me.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The Scots are warm hearted people, but are much too emotional for their own good. Too quick to fight without thinking first, or to jump on a bandwagon without thinking things through. The Teutonic descended Anglo-Saxons are much more cautious and stoic. This is what has given the English the upper hand over the Celts.

      • Garrett Brown

        With less government we will have less diversity/less pressure of supporting multiculturalism, but I understand what you mean.

  • John R

    Only 30% of Republicans want to secede? Of course, if they asked if White people, in general, should have their own country and not just the state, the percentage would probably be higher.

    • Good point. I guess it all depends on how you phrase the question, eh?

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Should be more, I definitely agree. Do you hear much about the Central/Northern PA Counties seceding out your way? I could see a new state of North PA going across the state starting North of Greater Pitt, and including Johnstown, Altoona, and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, a t-shaped block of counties encompassing the Northern and central portions of the state.

      • phillyguy

        I live and walk the same streets as our great forefathers Franklin ,Washington ,Jefferson, signers of the Declaration of Independence, they will have to kill me to get me out of my city. And I will be waiting with guns a blazing.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Is Kensington/Fishtown still a Polish neighborhood? How about Manayunk?

          • phillyguy

            Kensington and Fishtown started to go down about 30 years ago because of the white flight but in the last 20 years the stabilization of the business in Philadelphia particularly the drug companies and Comcast headquarters and the headquarters of a few major insurance companies we are getting white citizens pouring into this city at a great rate,,, one neighborhood in Philly. Point Breeze which was a black crime-ridden drug infested area fulled with miles of old abandoned factories for the latest 25 years , since everything nowadays is junk made in China,is being torn down and replaced with $600, 000 to a 1 million dollar homes,and the ghetto animals are trying to fight it because he had nowhere to go you’re being pushed out by the white takeover program,it’s a wonderful sight to oldis probably smiling in his grave right now

          • Nancy

            How’s my old neighborhood, South Philly, looking these days? My family came from a row house on S 8th and Wharton.

          • phillyguy

            the city is filling up daily with white people and money, your old neighborhood is now known as Bellavista homes are going for 300,000 or more, South Philadelphia ,Grays Ferry ,lower center city ,Center City, Manayunk, Roxboro, Fishtown. they are all being taken over by white people and money it’s unbelievable,,other cities should look at Philadelphia as an example how to get rid of the black menace and the trash in the drugs that they bring with thee

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            That is good. Only thing, though, where are the Blacks going? Certain burbs may become no-go zones. If the delusional Rainbow Confederates have their way, the Blacks may all move to Atlanta.

          • phillyguy

            they are squeezed into the southwest section of the city and the old run down suburbs right outside , Lansdowne, Yeadon, Upper Darby, Secane, and Darby.they can’t go any further because as you know the state of Pennsylvania is more white friendly then any north eastern state, and it always was

  • Old Soldier

    They should have also asked people if they would be inclined to move from their current Socialist Republic of residence to a state than did secede.

  • Truthseeker

    It’s only a faint glimmer of hope right now, but it’s a good sign of what might be in the future. America needs to split up. It’s an unstable empire held together only by the capital accumulated by the founding stock. We’d all be better served as smaller countries.

  • Alex Dihes

    Unfortunately, Jared Taylor – who is usually for independence – is against secession of Scotland and the US States.
    I am glad to share with you my experience. Some 30 years back I was taken to the KGB. I was led along corridors and the air smelled with death. I was asked if it was true that was explaining around that the USSR would collapse and fall apart quite soon. They laughed, concluded that I was insane and let me go. Now I see that for the USA.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      He is against the present Scottish secessionist movement for the right reasons. The secessionist group there cannot even verbally define the Scottish identity, and wants a Leftist, naive anti-racist immigration policy. This would make Scotland the most cavorts dumping ground for the Black African/Islamic hordes. Might as well just add a flush handle, as Scotland would quickly become Northern Europe’s commode under such an immigration policy. As usual, Sir Jared Taylor is right on the money.

      • Sick of it

        Considering British immigration policy, I still don’t see a difference.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          True. Scots seceding from the English, though, would also be dividing Whites. Whites need to be unified against the rising tide of color. If only Great Britain would just leave the EU, close their borders, and deport all non-Whites back to their homelands.

          • adplatt126

            Nonsense. Centralized governments are always, everywhere less responsive to the needs of the people, than state, local, or regional ones. The empire is always the problem. We wouldn’t even be where we are today without the British one, and if the British government or the American government ever listened to their own people, we wouldn’t be here either. This of course is to say nothing of the PR value and indirect political value of having regions in the white, Western world peaceably break away from their tyrannical social Marxist governments. That is inherently useful for our cause just in setting the precedent.

      • Periapsis

        An apt description for any ill thought out, unwise secessionist movement.

    • phillyguy

      but Russia retained all of the best regions of land in the old Soviet Union with the exception of the Ukraine which they are now forcibly taking back. also did you notice that they have the land stretched from the Baltic Sea all the way to the Pacific Ocean meaning that if you want a world superpower you have to control the seas ..we can not let our cities on the coast be taking over by the leftest, as the old saying goes whoever controls the seas controls the world.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        True. Should Western Maryland actually become the 51’st state, what about South Jersey seceding from North Jersey? As you know, South Jersey is a lot like Delmarva in the rural sections, strong Southern Sentiments, the last area in the North to abolish slavery. If handouts were cut, Blacks would probably drain into NYC and North Jersey pretty quickly. Blacks leaving Delmarva after WWII was how Chester, PA became all Black.

        • phillyguy

          I love going to the farms in South Jersey particularly Swedesboro, but all of the old Victorian towns like preach to me are now soul with all Mexican nationals in illegals reading with crime and drugs

          • Mary

            I don’t think it’s South Jersey, but do you happen to know the current state of Hunterdon County? My husband lived there, and he always talks about how great it was.

          • phillyguy

            Mary, if it is north of Gloucester County I do not know the place I do not go north because it is full of Negroes in the cities of Trenton, Patterson, Jersey City ,ect., all burnt out drug infested ghettos, I stay far away from there as possible

          • Mary

            I believe it is to the north, adjacent to Bucks County, Pa. My husband talks like it’s the Promised Land. He does say that most New Jersey cities are really bad, like you described.

          • phillyguy

            Very nice there, my brother works in Princeton, beautiful town

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            You must visit Northwest Jersey some time phillyguy. Very nice country up there. Sussex county, in the Northwest corner, is affectionately known as the “Jersey Poconos” by locals. Been through there many times, always liked it. Very few Blacks or Hispanics, a world away from Newark/Jersey City. Basically a rural mountain area with wealthy suburbanites who live on palatial estates, and country folk with family roots in the area.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I’ve been through there. Very nice country. Northwest Jersey is nice, my favorite part of Jersey. Those counties seceding and joining New York State away from NYC Metro would be good. I travelled through Northwest Jersey, or the “Jersey Poconos” about a year ago. Still very rural, saw very few Blacks/Hispanics. Ate at an excellent NY style pizzeria in one of the little towns. Ate at dinner rush time of day, very busy. Everyone was White, lots of Italian pride. Italia t-shirts, etc.

          • Nancy

            When we moved out of South Philly, we lived for several years on the shore in Longport, in South Jersey. I’m amazed at some of the new, weird-looking modern homes they built over the beautiful, stately shore homes. Mine was one that got torn down and replaced by an ugly stucco structure, since it was prime real estate right on the bay. I understand, though, that Longport is still the home of many of my Italian “cousins”, just like in the old days.

            My people can’t stand the moulinyan.

          • phillyguy

            Nancy, I spend my summers on Madison ave. In Margate, I go up and back from philly, I hope you do make it into Philadelphia,, the place has changed so much for the better,, it is getting overrun with white people!! it’s unbelievable and it’s great,, they are pushing the trash out of this city,, there are still some bad sections in Philly but it’s been confined mostly to North Philly and the Northeast which is in the middle of nowhere when it was built after ww2 ..Center City, South Philadelphia Grays Ferry, Fishtown ,old city,, the white people and the money just keep on pouring gain belly it should be a model 4 other cities, ,getting rid of all

          • Nancy

            I know just where Margate is, since I went to elementary school at Union Avenue! I walked or drove by Lucy every single day. I’ll likely be back up there during the holidays, to visit my mom (in York) and my cousins “the Sopranos” in Willow Grove. I’m SO glad to hear it’s changing…I miss walking down 9th Street with my family to buy salami and cannoli.

          • phillyguy

            Nancy, I spend my summers at Madison Avenue in Margate, in the summer I go up and back from Philly.

        • Garrett Brown

          Northern California as well.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The new state of Jefferson forming out of Northern CA counties needs to happen, along with the new state of Western Maryland. That would probably have a domino effect. Once a block of new red states existed, those states seceding from D. C. to govern themselves could be next.

  • JohnEngelman

    The fall of the Soviet Union was perceived of by many in the United States as the failure of socialism. The fall of the United States would be perceived of by many internationally as the failure of capitalism.

    • Anglokraut

      Which is a real problem, because if this house of cards has to fall, at least be honest about the cause: Multiculturalism and Marxism.

      • JohnEngelman

        I have known Marxists. I have liked some, and disliked others. Marxism is a dead faith.

        I sort of agree with you about multiculturalism. It only works well in Hollywood movies, and sitcoms.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Exactly. The incompatibility of races that should have remained segregated. Forced integration, which began with the descendants of New England abolitionists, who only knew life in an almost entirely White society, trying to force Whites and Blacks in the South to be integrated. Racial integration never works. Initially, the problem was Negroes and Whites being forcibly integrated. Now, the Bronze race of South America is being stupidly allowed to enter our land unabated. All of our leaders before 50 years ago were against integration. Now, America has three races who each need our own territory. Negroes should have been given their own territory in the deep South, or sent back to Africa after the War of Northern Aggression ended. Now, we have the Bronze race, who is neither compatible with Whites or Negroes. Due to integration, Whites need and deserve our own homelands, White ethnostates free of Negroes/Bronzes. Back in the good old days, when common sense prevailed, American Indians were given territory to call their own because this made sense.

        • none of your business

          It was a long term objective of the CPUSA. Lenin proposed to use the blacks to form a south east old Confederate states commie enclave. He saw the Atlantic and Gulf ports as a way to control the entire Atlantic.

    • M.

      Not really. If the U.S. were to break up, I’m sure the new countries would remain just as capitalistic as America is now. So that wouldn’t be it.

      • JohnEngelman

        They would not be as economically successful.

        • Sick of it

          I’m hoping for something better – Something beyond petty, small-minded economics and backwards technology.

        • adplatt126

          I think that depends entirely on the region.

          • Periapsis

            When money flows like a river through society, you have the basis of capitalism. When it all flows into a large lake controlled by select few, you have an oligarchy, or worse yet an empire.

    • OS-Q

      I would consider a US breakup more of a failure of non-nationalist democracy.

      A lot of people say that the USSR fell apart because it was, basically, too big – and that small nation states could probably come closer to a communist ideal, of course, the existence and poverty of Albania comes to mind.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Albania is poor because of Islam. The Islamic religion keeps the masses poor and uneducated. Albanians, being Caucasian, would be best off converting to Christianity.

        • OS-Q

          I’m sure being Muslim doesn’t help. It doesn’t bode well for Europe as a bizarre combination of Islamic Socialism seems to be the goal for Brussels.

    • anew

      When Soviet Union fell, it’s former members, and former satellite states all abandoned Communism abruptly. So, yes, if the rump US and all the seceding states, as well as most NATO states abandon capitalism, the consensus view may very well be that capitalism has failed. Otherwise, probably not. And of course, Communism had a competitor, to which people could turn (Capitalism), what economic system is out there competing with capitalism?

      It depends on the circumstances obviously, but considering that the US’ main rivals (China, Russia, Islam) are much more authoritarian and much less democratic, it is a great deal more likely that the fall of the United States would be interpreted as a failure of democracy.

      • JohnEngelman

        A factor working against any dictatorship is that computer technology has become essential to a country’s military strength. It also makes it difficult for a government to control the spread of facts and ideas. A government that prevents its citizens from using e-mail and the internet will fall behind in the race to develop more advanced high tech weapons.

        An additional factor working against the Soviet Union was that while a command economy is good for building basic industries quickly, it lacks the dexterity to produce a wide variety of consumer items that most people want at a price they are able to afford.

      • silviosilver

        Anew, I’m replying to an old comment of yours here in the expectation that you’ll see it because I think you asked an important question when you said

        And of course, Communism had a competitor, to which people could turn (Capitalism), what economic system is out there competing with capitalism?

        That would be so-called “third way” economics. There’s nothing radically new about this. Essentially, it’s what already exists: capitalism plus welfare. The difference between this and third way is that what currently exists only “emerges” from the implicit compromise between left (hard left, take-over-the-means-of-production left) and right (libertarian, Randian, laisse-faire right). Third way advocates for it specifically (although typically it wants to go farther left than the present implicit compromise). This means that third way is largely unimportant as far as developed economies go, but in the so-called developing world in which the state, despite rightwing babble to the contrary, is itself still very underdeveloped the question of economic models is very important.

    • In reality, the fall of the USSR and the future fall of the USA will have far more to do with the fact that polyglot empires built on ideological cults are unsustainable.

      • White Mom in WDC

        The fall of both of these nations has everything to do with Bolshevized masses of asses buying into the class warfare snake oil mass produced to benefit only the Banksters and their paid off in pocket politcians.

        • adplatt126

          Pretty much.

      • Garrett Brown

        Seems like we can believe in whatever cult we want as long as Jewish bankers don’t have any input.

    • Luca

      If or when the US falls, it will be due to a failure of political, social engineering. Since 1965, the Democrats have been working to change the voting demographic landscape. They have imported and coddled problematic, uncivilized, dysfunctional minorities. showered them with benefits, rights and advantages, and paid for it with our tax money.

    • antiquesunlight

      Unfortunately, you might be right. It would be completely false, but that doesn’t mean people wouldn’t believe it. In fact, the hogtying of capitalism is a significant piece of the problem.

      • Long Live Dixie

        Capitalism encourages mass Mexican migration. It has loyalty to blood or to soil.

        • antiquesunlight

          Capitalism works. We need it, but we need it for ourselves, not for the whole world. Capitalism within our borders is the way to go.

          Most any good thing is bad in excess. There must be a balance of priorities.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Capitalism works for whom?

          • Ragnar Redbeard’s Ghost

            For the capitalist 😛

          • antiquesunlight

            For everyone. It is just the freedom to do business as you’d like to, provided you follow the law. It’s pretty simple, really.

          • Long Live Dixie

            For everyone including the 12-year-olds working in the factory?

          • antiquesunlight

            That is liberal propaganda. The reason children worked in factories in the past and currently in third world countries is because everyone was/is so dirt poor that they had no choice. Once you realize that, you realize the evil capitalists were actually benefactors. Those people would have starved to death without that work available to their children. It’s just like the situations in third world countries now. Do you know what happens to third world children who don’t work in factories? They often become prostitutes because it’s their only other option.

            It’s not easy to exaggerate the great good that capitalism has done for the world. I know that the South historically resisted industrialization, but I think that was a mistake. We could have taken a somewhat different approach to it, but not industrializing is a bad idea.

            Capitalism is one of the great achievements of our ancestors, the Anglo-Saxons, and we ought to be proud of it and adopt it wholeheartedly. Capitalism is basically the reason why Japan and other parts of East Asia are doing so well. Capitalism is why millions of dirt poor Chinese people have risen out of poverty.

            Capitalism works. You need some simple parameters for it, like property rights and citizen-only work rights, but so long as you have those kinds of things in place, capitalism will radically improve a country.

          • DaveMed

            More people should see this post.

    • Rhialto

      I would consider America’s failure as a failure of Liberalism.

      Socialism has difficulties in effectively utilizing rapidly changing technology. But as automation eliminates more and more human employment, some form of Socialism or defacto Communism may become the only viable economic system

      • JohnEngelman

        People blame what is universally deplored on what they more personally dislike.

    • We aren’t really capitalist anymore. Corporate taxes are so high in the US that the multinationals deliberately do not repatriate foreign-earned profits. Returns on investments here are basically dog $#!&, and we have an ever-growing entitlement-class of professional welfare-soaks.

      Capitalism didn’t fail; attempts to jack with it forced it overseas.

      • JohnEngelman

        American corporations do not move to other countries because they are forced to, but because they are able to. Other countries punish corporations that leave.

        In European countries the overall tax load is nearly always greater. The welfare system is nearly always more generous.

        • phillyguy

          they move overseas to avoid paying federal income tax and getting cheap labor all for monetary gain

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Exactly. Obongo is the czar of Negrocentric Socialism. Whites and Asians work and create, Blacks and Hispanics fight and take.

      • I want to ask you something, and by “you” I don’t mean just to you individually. I’m asking everyone.

        Without looking it up if you don’t already know, what is an inversion? Or better yet, what do you think you know about inversions?

  • TruthBeTold

    Diversity forces unpleasant compromises no one is happy with. It’s sort of like everyone agrees to be unhappy just so open warfare won’t break out.

    Conservatives and Liberals have different world views on any number of issues. Compromises leaves everyone feeling unfulfilled.

    As with divorce, we should mutually agree it’s not working out and, separate, and go our own separate ways.

  • D.B. Cooper

    Secession will NOT work. If your state succeeds, how many blacks are there? Illegal aliens? Boat People from Cambodia? Hmongs? Expired Muslim Visas? New York Carpetbaggers? Californian Democrats? Sell out Republicans?

    • anew

      Anything that weakens Washington is good for us.

      • Who Me?

        You don’t want to get landlocked, that’s the way you get surrounded and starved out or simply overrun from all sides. Check out
        Northwestfront(DOT)org

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          If Western Maryland became the 51’st state, they would share a long border with WV, as well as a border with red county Central PA, which continues into red county rural York State.

          • Who Me?

            Check out the northwest, Seattle is a deep water seaport, and the northwest has ocean all along it’s western border. Canada to the north, Mountainous passes to the east and south. Meanwhile the entire interior is fertile, arable land, with already established orchards and vineyards. The area also has plenty of industry and plenty of hydro-electric power from numerous dams on the Columbia river as well as others, among other features that make it highly attractive and feasible as a nation for White people, standing alone, free of multiculturalism. (Plus it’s the only workable plan there is at this time…)

          • Nancy

            That’s why we’re pulling up stakes in metro Atlanta and moving to northern Utah in May. It’s white all the way up to Canada, is well-buffered in the other three directions, and close enough to Washington that we can grab our essentials, jump in the Hummer, and bug out in an emergency.

            But our longer-range plan is to purchase a bunch of acres, sell off the parcels as we see fit, and build a self-sustaining community. It’s already been done south of Atlanta, but that community is actually surrounded by the Black Undertow (it was very white and rural when the owners first bought the land in the early 90s). It’s a shame, because it’s such a fabulous community, with the notable exception of it being filled with tree-hugging liberals.

            It’ll be interesting to see how these “anti-racist” libs attempt to keep “quality control” of their neighborhood without appearing racist.

          • Who Me?

            “and close enough to Washington that we can grab our essentials, jump in the Hummer, and bug out in an emergency.”
            ——————-
            Good. You’re getting closer, but why not just move the rest of the way to Washington in the first place? Is your move dependent on the company you work for and where they are located or something like that? I have to admit most of Utah is absolutely breathtakingly beautiful, but so is much of Washington. Try it, you might like it 🙂

          • The NorthWest is attractive. The mountainous regions would also serve to mitigate damage from nuclear strikes which a white state should expect to face from Washington if they become independent.

          • none of your business

            I have relatives in Seattle. It and the rest of Washington are unbelievably liberal. Those stalwart anglo saxon farmers vote for the most liberal senators in the senate. They have also imported hundreds of thousands of illegal alien indios. The basic White stock is Scandinavian socialist. Plans are afoot to change the name of the state from Washington because he was an evil White man. The state is basically run by a coalition of Bill Gates liberals and illegal alien loving farmers who have turned many rural towns as Hispanic as California’s central valley.
            The $40,000 all White private schools teach White privilege constantly, even though the tuition comes from the evil White men of Microsoft. One teacher told her class they should be ashamed of living on Microsoft money.
            Seattle and Washington are far more liberal than California.
            You would have to clear out virtually all the Whites and Hispanics from the state. Do you think you can fight Bill Gates and Paul Allen?

          • Who Me?

            You’re right about Seattle, but don’t confuse the idiot liberals of the coastal swath from Seattle to Portland as being the whole state. Much less the whole Northwest. The only reason Washington is considered a liberal state is the coastal cities have the population to outvote the (much larger land size) interior, which is as conservative as any mid-western area you can point to.

            “Plans are afoot to change the name of the state from Washington because he was an evil White man.” Where did you get that? Any documentation? I can guarantee nobody here has ever heard of it, but with the media being what it is, that doesn’t rnean much.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        I am all for Southern White Nationalists pursuing secession of former Confederate States, but they need to recognize their Copperhead, racial realist White American allies in the rural red county Northern areas as their allies. If Northern Michigan seceded to form a new state, for example, Southern White Nationalists spurning their brethren due to their being “Yankees” would be stupid and counter-productive. White Nationalists need to work together.

        • Long Live Dixie

          I’ll recognise Northerners as allies when they prove themselves to be allies. So far, most of what I’ve seen from our Northern ‘allies’ is 1) stated intentions of moving to Dixie and/or 2) demands for Southerners to change our ways to match the interests of our supposed allies.

          Southern nationalism exists in opposition to Yankeedom. If you wish to be the South’s ally, then you’ll have to accept that. It’s too bad it hurts your feelings, however I suggest you get over it and try to change the liberal and anti-Southern ways of your own people rather than trying to change the opposition that your people have generated in the South.

      • Who Me?

        You don’t want the get established in a landlocked area with no way to get supplies in or establish trade out. Plus it’s too easy to be surrounded.

      • phillyguy

        Like the old saying goes, whoever controls the seas controls the world, put all the Negroes and Mexicans in the middle of nowhere why should we white people who founded this great country give up the great cities that we started 300 years ago.

    • Luca

      Deport them.

    • Sick of it

      Blacks would not be here very long. Or at least not most of them. Our people do not like criminals…we’ve been forced to live criminals by the criminals in Washington D.C.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      How many blacks or browns would willingly stay in a state that cuts off or dramatically reduces welfare? Let’s say the South forms its own country. Are the blacks going to stick around without Federal dollars pumping in to sustain their lifestyles? Or will they flee to Blue State Nation? They will flee, and the Bell Curvii that liberals profess to love will be on their doorstep.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Not many would stay. Let the blue county clusters in the North and West have the non-Whites. The red county sections of the blue states need to secede and become new states, like Western Maryland wants to do. Once a block of these new red states have formed, they could join the other red states and approach D.C. as a united front, threatening to secede and form an independent country.

      • adplatt126

        They will flee at first, but only temporarily. Even if welfare payments are less generous, the state they fled from will be better run, will be wealthier, will have more jobs available, etc. If the white people in it can’t discriminate against brownies, in where their tax-money goes, their charitable contributions go, who they hire, who they sell their homes to, believe me, there’s no use. Eliminating all government benefits is cutting off your nose to spite your face. You harm blacks but you’ll harm plenty of whites too. The answer is secession, segregation or elimination. There is no middle way. If you can’t keep the parasites out, you think they won’t come to white nations merely because the payouts are less? Less than what? Not less than the payouts where minorities are the majority…

    • Neuday

      Oh, there is a certain state with very few of the undesirables you mention, certainly few enough to be easily persuaded if we had an influx of White Nationalist patriots.

    • A starvation blockade of Denver would convince the rest of the undesireables to leave Colorado. Detroit clearly needs a hydrogen bomb, however.

  • lily-white

    “Anger with President Barack Obama’s handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants”… bussing illegals to military bases and/or releasing them within the interior doesn’t get notable mention here?…

  • White Mom in WDC

    Secession is only as good as the people seceding. Here’s the deal and I hope Amren has grown up enough to accept the truth to hear this- a White Nation will only work if it based on Anglo Germanic principles and comprised of people of one hundred percent European stock. No exceptions. No Hebes.

    • JohnEngelman

      It will never be possible in what becomes of the United States for “people of one hundred percent European stock” to deport everyone else. The toothpaste is out of the tube.

      • White Mom in WDC

        I am not talking about deportation, but self seeking secession to create a 100 percent White Nation.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Most of the U.S., geographically speaking, is a carpet of red counties that are almost completely White. Negroes are clustered in the metro areas and Southern Lowlands. Northern MI would be cut off from other red areas geographically, but that is about the only area. Downstate Illinois sits nicely surrounded by Missouri/Indiana. If downstate seceded from Chicagoland and cut hand outs, downstate Negroes/Mestizoes would drain into Chicagoland. Smart Chicagoland Whites would move downstate.

      • Sick of it

        Because people with the IQ of a mental retard are so capable in war, the sciences, or life in general. Notice how badly third world countries fare against western militaries.

      • Long Live Dixie

        The only real obstacle whites face is other whites.

      • You could do something else with us.

      • JP Rushton

        From what I’ve gathered reading internet comments, most people are against any kind of nationalism or white identity, but citizenship is like some sort of magical force that binds a person to a country.

        So once the multicult makes diverse people citizens, they can never be expelled. It’s especially troublesome in America with our baby anchor laws, which create illegal citizens who have multiple citizen children.

        This is a big reason why the west is doomed. Even if western countries stopped all diverse immigration in the future (almost impossible), they would all still be majority non white countries in the future since the non whites would out breed the whites.

        The only solution would be to expel all non white people from western countries, but without some seismic paradigm shift, that would never, ever happen.

        • This is why I can never embrace what Steve Sailer calls “citizenism” other than as a transition ideology. I’ve written this on his own blog’s comments, so it’s not a matter of me picking on him from afar.

          The problem with citizenism is that there’s nothing inherent in it that resists universalism, on top of the fact that it’s kiddie pool nationalism for people too scared to touch real blood and soil nationalism. One could make everyone in the world a citizen, and under the tenets of citizenism, they’re good to go. You have both citizenism and globalism at the same time.

        • Sick of it

          The vast majority of people in the South, including many Hispanics, do not believe an anchor baby is a real citizen.

      • Jimmy Joseph

        I agree.

        White’s will have to do away with the “one drop” rule. Hell, even Hitler wasn’t that strict lol.

        If they limit themselves to “pure Anglo Saxons”, their numbers will be too few to form an actual ethnostate.

        About 40 years ago, they could’ve pulled it off. These days, it would be impossible.

        • JohnEngelman

          The persistence of de facto segregation means that it is still possible to live with little contact with blacks and Hispanics, but one usually needs to make a good income to do that.

    • Waterfall

      There also needs to be some sort of common culture. One of America’s greatest shortcomings is its loss of a national identity. What is an American? What do “Americans” have in common? What values do they share? Questions like these may have ben easier to answer 60 years ago; now, they sound rather vapid.

      • Sick of it

        Technically, there was never an authentic American identity. We had regional, religious, and ethnic identities before the Federal government got into social engineering (in order to dissolve said identities and make us easier to control).

        • Waterfall

          The stereotypical American once upon a time was White, of a Protestant background, and of Anglo or Germanic heritage. There has always been some heterogeneity in American demographics, but nothing compares to the hodgepodge we see today. An acquaintance of mine once told me that when he goes overseas (he’s an honorary professor at a university in Taiwan), he always asks his students what they think Americans look like. They say, “Like you.” (He’s about 6’2″, has blonde hair and blue eyes). He said that his response is always, “No, they look like you.” I find that a bit discouraging.

          • Sick of it

            We use terms like WASP today, but, historically speaking, that wasn’t some vast cohesive group in our past. Pushing sameness among whites is pretty much identical to what the other side is doing, except that they include non-whites. There are reasons WHITE people live in different areas and different nations.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Pushing sameness among whites means that an Italian from ‘Joisey’ is the same as an Anglo-Celt from South Carolina. It’s patently false and it leads to a white nationalist way of thinking in which white populations are interchangeable with each other.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            White America, in the 1950’s, was a racially homogenous melting pot of the cultures of Europe. There is nothing bland about a small Pennsylvania city that has a couple of pizzerias, a Polish deli, a Slovenian club where one can enjoy polka music, Italian church festivals in the summer. All of this to enjoy with little to no worry about crime when there are few Blacks or Hispanics.

          • In 1985 one of my college friends described herself as Chinese, but me as an “American”. Not white, not a Celt or even a bit of a mutt, but “American”. She grew up here, but the default setting even then was that an American was white, or close enough to pass for it.

    • Chris R

      I guess I wouldn’t be welcome in your nation because I’m not 100% white even though I look like you and don’t look like them. There has never been a nation comprised of 100% whites and there never will be. There needs to be some pragmatism here.

      • Alexandra1973

        I have a touch of Cherokee ancestry as well, and I’m one-half Eastern European (Belarus, Poland). But the rest–Anglo-Saxon-Celt.

        • Periapsis

          Likewise here Alexandra, and I have been and to a degree STILL deal with hostility from other whites in the South due to my Slavic name and appearance. I came close to putting one of them into a hospital or worse because of his attitude towards me, HE was that hostile. To this day I harbor cold hatred towards whites like that. My ancestors fought on both sides of the Civil War, and people like him are tools for our enemies to use against us. Ironic because I am whiter than most of them, if I was any paler I would look like this.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The South certainly harbors some strange and delusional people. Being in Appalachian Ohio, I live near and love West Virginia. I’ve been to Negrolanta, Georgia, though, and was appalled. Never seen so many Negroes in my life, also never seen so many White girls Mudsharking in my life. A White who has a problem with a proud Slavic last name is no White Patriot. This jerk you described is probably one of these Negro loving Rainbow Confederates. His daughter is probably Mudsharking with some Negro who waves a Confederate Flag. His Grandchildren will look like Bathouse Barry, and will not be interested in maintaining the Anglo-Celtic culture of the South. As far as I’m concerned, Whites need to preserve our race, and our White American culture. White American culture is Pan-European.

          • Periapsis

            Ugh, I see so many whites hanging all over blacks it turns my stomach. I cannot wait to leave when large numbers of them arrive, given they do not have a volume control. Sometimes the only thing I want to hear from others is silence. That is one reason why I enjoy being outside at night observing the heavens with telescopes, the peace and quiet is heaven to my well worn ears.

          • Sick of it

            You love liberal West Virginia where white girls literally go out of state to find black boyfriends?

          • Long Live Dixie

            OHDeutscheJewishRebel: The South certainly harbors some strange and delusional people.

            You’re going out of your way to make friends with the South, aren’t you?

            Using Atlanta as an example of the dating habits of Southern women is the biggest joke you’ve yet told in this discussion. Among the white population, Atlanta is one of the Lower South’s most Yankee-infested areas.

            Assuming that the Southerner in Periapsis’s story is pro-black is idiotic. The South has a long tradition of opposing the mingling of the races and of the various European subgroups. The South has always been proudly an Anglo-Saxon land.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Yes but the “Southern” pure Anglo Saxons are few in number. They will never be able to hold off the “hordes of non Whites” by themselves.

            Do you think they would be strong enough to form a White ethno nation by themselves without the help of other Whites?

            They will need to be more open minded on this issue or they will be finished.

            Whites will either Unite or Perish. These petty “distinctions” will finish off the White race.

          • Long Live Dixie

            – The only one talking about pure Anglo-Saxons is you. There are tens of millions of Southerners, however I’m not aware of anyone every claiming that we are 100% Anglo-Saxon. Even the English themselves are not 100% Anglo-Saxon.

            – The only one talking about Southerners not receiving help from other whites is you. I am more than willing to work with nationalists from outside the South. I am not willing to work with outsiders who 1) demand that we change our ways to better match their interests or 2) demand that we accept their people as colonists in our land. In the South’s dealings with nationalists from elsewhere, the Yankees are the only ones who ever issue demands like that for us. The Europeans never make demands on us like that, nor do we ever make demands on other nationalists.

            – I’m tired of self-righteous Northerners lecturing Southerners about ‘white unity’. Look at your own people. White unity with Vermonters, Oregonians, Wisconsinites? Get a grip – you’re living in fantasy if you think the North gives a flip about white unity. It’s clear that ‘white unity’ is just a buzzword designed to get Southerners to submit to the North. If you cared about white unity, it would be the anti-Southern and pro-black attitudes of Northerners that you would be most concerned about.

            – Racialism is always highest among people who feel a high level of distinction. The idea that distinctions between whites will be our race’s downfall is therefore nonsense.

            – If whites unite in any meaningful and helpful sense, it will be in the form of alliances between white nations, not in the form of forgetting the distinctions between whites and intermingling to create a worldwide pan-European melting pot that resembles the USA.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            What “demands” have I made of you?

            I don’t see the logic in this argument.

            What I am arguing is that “Southerners” need to accept help from White “northerners” and vice versa.

            Unless you want to wall yourself off and form a “New South”.

            Most of the Southern states are majority black or will be shortly. Also Texas will be majority Mexican in a few years.

            You will need all the “help” you can get.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Jimmy Joseph: What “demands” have I made of you?

            1) That we lose our distinctiveness. 2) That we accept outsiders, including those who come here with an attitude of arrogance. 3) That we accept ‘help’ from the North (translated as allow the North to dictate to us).

            Jimmy Joseph: What I am arguing is that “Southerners” need to accept help from White “northerners” and vice versa.

            Let me know when the North is genuine about helping us. Until then, your argument is pure fantasy.

            Jimmy Joseph: Most of the Southern states are majority black or will be shortly.

            There is not a single Southern state that is majority black. None are projected to be majority black anytime in the near future.

            Jimmy Joseph: You will need all the “help” you can get.

            If I were you, I would worry less about ‘helping’ us and more about the sorry state of your own people. What other people goes around worrying so much about ‘helping’ others? What an obnoxious and neurotic trait that is. No one like a busybody.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            I have yet to see how I have spoken about “changing” Southern ways.

            In fact, I support Southern culture to prosper. I like the true Southern gentleman culture. I am not “insulting the South” or “Southern culture’. I don’t want to “change” it either.

            However, I am asking that Southerns can get over their anger from the civil war and attempt to work together with us “Yankees”.

            My opinion is that we will need each other in the future. After it’s all settled, Southerns can have their own distinct culture, with hopefully most of the South intact.

            If you think you can pull it all off without any Northern support, good luck to you.

            Also, if you alienate all the Northern Whites by writing them off, a lot of them will become enemies of the South.

            Don’t get the logic to this.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Pfft. You might as well lecture Finns and Estonians to accept Russian ‘help’. You have no idea how the generations of hostility that the North has shown the South has shaped the Southern identity or how little reason Southerners even have to trust Northerners to be sincere in their desire to ‘help’ us. Besides the fact (that I’ve mentioned more than once already) that the North is in no position to help us at all. The North is a bastion of liberalism.

            If the South receives help in shaking off the North’s shackles, then it will come from Europe.

            Now, kindly mind your own business and tend to your own people’s interests without worrying so much about us.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Ok got it.

            So you consider the Whites in the North your enemies.

            Even Whites from the North who are sympathetic to Southerners appear to be enemies to you.

            Doesn’t matter what us “Yankees” say or do, we will be the bad guys.

            Good luck with that. Guess this White unity/Nationalism thing aint going to be working out too well.

            Guess you guys really want another civil war against us Yankees. Good luck with that.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I have no problem with whites in the North who 1) stay in the North and 2) do not tell us what to do.

            How much clearer can I possibly be about that?

            A war is a near certainty because it goes 100% against the Yankee mindset to follow either of those guidelines. This is true of Yankee racialists just as much as it is true of Yankee non-racialists. The chances that Yankees will let the South go without bloodshed is nearly zero.

            The fact that you can throw out one insulting and belittling comment after another about Southerners and then act surprised when I tell you that you are being arrogant only shows how deeply ingrained anti-Southern thinking is among your people. You don’t even know you’re doing it and you think yourself completely blameless.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            You nailed it Jimmy. Long Live Dixie has an irrational hatred of all Northerners. I’m in Appalachian Ohio in a rural area, fly the Confederate Battle Flag in my yard. I refer to the Civil War as The War of Northern Aggression, a phrase which describes that war well. I’m a modern day Copperhead, you could say, always enjoy spending time in WV. My wife and I like to vacation in the mountains of Eastern Tennessee. My ancestry is 1/8 Ashkenazi, 1/4 Swedish, the rest German. My ancestors came to America in the 1890’s, worked in the coal mines of Ohio, side by side with many Southrons. I’d like to see Ohio’s Appalachian counties secede to form a new state. We need to maintain the demographics of our area. Negroes and Hispanics have no place here. Long Live Dixie thinks White racial realists like myself have no place in Dixie. He thinks my area is “Yankee”, which is total bull crap. He speaks against White nationalism and White Identity, claims Southern Nationalism is not White Nationalism. He thinks that Negro infested Atlanta and Northern VA can be reclaimed by Southrons if they “fight like hell”, yet spurns areas like Southern Ohio, which are very pro-Southern, but cannot give a logical reason. The real reason, I have concluded, is that he wants to reclaim only the original territory of the Confederacy. Need I say he is not living in 2014? Long Live Dixie seems to think he is Robert E. Lee reincarnated, even though, were Lee alive today, he surely would not spill a drop of Southron blood in Northern VA or Greater Atlanta, and would of course support secession in my part of Ohio, Western Maryland, etc.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            LoL crazy stuff.

            I met others like him in the South.

            Another reason for the collapse of White civilization. Unable to form any unity due to stubborn “independence”.

            Guy appears to be any enemy of all Northerners. He would be equally anti White Northerner as any Nation of Islam black.

          • none of your business

            Slavs are a lot more tall, pale, blue eyed and blonde than Germans and English. I lived in Germany folks, so those of you who have never seen a German don’t start all Germans are pale and blue eyed.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Unfortunately, there is a lot of ignorance in the South.

            A lot of Southerners don’t like “Yankee” Northern White males either.

            I worked down there. They didn’t consider me one of the “good old boys”.

            You are basically ostracized as a result.

            This is a foolish tactic because Whites will need to be unified. If they remain divided in stupid ways. they will fall. They didn’t see it that way. They thought they had “enough good old boys” to take everyone on by themselves lol. Good luck with that.

            United we stand, Divided we Fall.

          • Periapsis

            That is one thing that is going to bite them in the butt, and sooner than later. Another is ostracizing men like me who otherwise might save their skins during Civil War Two.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            I agree. The amount of “good old boys” is insufficient to take on task of forming a White ethno-nation.

            They will require much help from other Whites.

            If they ostracize those Whites from the “club”, they will not have sufficient allies to survive.

            Really that simple.

          • Long Live Dixie

            – There are tens of millions of Southerners. The only one talking about ‘good old boys’ is you. Most Southerners are not ‘good old boys’. That is especially true among Southern nationalists.

            – Though no one in the Southern nationalist movement opposes help from well-meaning outsiders, it is hypothetically possible in a worst-case scenario that our enormous population, land mass, and natural resources would give us the ability to stand on our own for many decades. Again, that is purely hypothetical, since you are the only one suggesting that the South wants to stand alone (the issue is entirely a Straw Man of your own creation). The South’s rejection of your arrogance or even of Yankeedom itself is not a rejection of all non-Southern whites.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            There are not “tens of millions of Southerners” who will be able to overcome the South’s problems. A lot of them are quite elderly. Many are mixed couples. How many “Southern belles” are intermixing? I saw a lot of it down South.

            Like I posted below, most Southern States will be either majority Black or Mexican in the coming years. They will have much younger populations than the Southern Whites.

            If you think you can go it alone and fight off all these groups by yourselves, with absolutely no help from anyone else, good luck to you. I don’t think you will be successful.

            Your demographics aren’t strong enough to overcome your adversaries without significant help. Every year that passes, it gets worse.

            The Nation of Islam wants the Southern States as an African ethno-nation.

            I had no “arrogance” coming down South. I didn’t even know what a “Yankee” was until I got down there.

            It was Southerners who are still fighting the civil war for some weird reason. The blame all Northern Whites for the civil war, when many of them came to the USA after the event.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Jimmy Joseph: There are not “tens of millions of Southerners” who will be able to overcome the South’s problems.

            Sure there are. When the South is free, then the majority of Southerners will be utilised for the common good of the South.

            Jimmy Joseph: A lot of them are quite elderly. Many are mixed couples. How many “Southern belles” are intermixing? I saw a lot of it down South.

            These are petty distractions and laughable exaggerations that are designed to create an attitude of defeatism and hopelessness.

            Jimmy Joseph: Like I posted below, most Southern States will be either majority Black or Mexican in the coming years.

            And like I posted below, you’re wrong. However, even if you were right, what would be your point? Perhaps you have high respect for the fighting skills of Africans and Mexicans.

            Jimmy Joseph: If you think you can go it alone and fight off all these groups by yourselves, with absolutely no help from anyone else, good luck to you

            I thoroughly refuted this claim of yours in two posts that you have responded to.

            Jimmy Joseph: Your demographics aren’t strong enough to overcome your adversaries without significant help

            Typical white nationalist defeatism. White men conquered half the world. Now, you don’t even think whites can defeat non-white minorities. At any rate, it’s not your concern.

            Jimmy Joseph: Every year that passes, it gets worse.

            Every year that the South is an occupied province of the USA, it gets worse.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            I agree.

            Minorities should be defeated in a War if they have no outside support.

            However, will that be the case?

            Whites from the North who “support” Southern culture should not be hated on .

            Yet, I still see Southerners making no distinction between Northerners who support them and those who don’t. They are all “Yankees” from the opinion of many I have met down South.

          • Sick of it

            It’s an interesting comment, considering that most of the white people up North are elderly as well. If anything, we have more kids down here. Many whites in his part of the country opt for dogs instead of children.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Jimmy Joseph: This is a foolish tactic because Whites will need to be unified.

            Since when does ‘unified’ mean that we should open our land to millions of outsiders simply on the basis of them being white? If you want white unity, then respect that this is our land and respect that we want to maintain it as our land. Don’t use white unity as an excuse to blur the Southern identity out of existence. Your attitude is one of arrogance and I can see exactly why you were not popular in the South. We have a long history of Yankee know-it-alls moving here and telling us how to do things. You’re nothing new.

            How about I move to your land, laugh at you, look down my nose at your people, tell you that you do everything wrong, and then lecture you for not accepting me and thereby not supporting white unity’?

            What appalling arrogance.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            I see no “arrogance” in anything I have written.

            I have written about “unity”. It appears that you are still fighting the civil war.

            Most “Yankee” whites don’t even remember the civil war. Hell, I didn’t even know what a “Yankee” was until I lived down South. I thought it was the baseball team.

            You keep acting like I want to “change Southern culture” with Yankee something or other.

            I don’t care about changing Southern White culture into anything different.

            I am arguing in the cause of Unity. Southerners need to get over the Civil War and unite.

            Only United we stand will survive.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Jimmy Joseph: I see no “arrogance” in anything I have written.

            I’m not surprised. It’s an ingrained trait among your people.

            Jimmy Joseph: I have written about “unity”.

            Sure you have, while in the same post you insulted Southerners. Unity is a code word for Southerners accepting Northern ways.

            Jimmy Joseph: It appears that you are still fighting the civil war.

            There’s more of your arrogance. If I am still fighting the war for resisting you, then aren’t you still fighting the war for trying to push your ways on the South?

            Jimmy Joseph: Most “Yankee” whites don’t even remember the civil war.

            Why would you? It’s just another of your many conquests.

            Jimmy Joseph: You keep acting like I want to “change Southern culture” with Yankee something or other.

            You do, and you’ve made it quite clear that you do. The South does not want unity with the North. We don’t want Yankee know-it-alls moving here and telling us how ignorant and foolish we are.

            Jimmy Joseph: Only United we stand will survive.

            Repeating an absurd propaganda line makes it no less unrealistic. There is no desire in the North for white unity and there is no compelling reason why unity must mean acceptance of non-Southerners in the South. There is no desire in the South to be swallowed up by the sea of Northern migrants who are coming here. Quite simply, we are better off as separate people.

            If the North wasn’t a bastion of Obama-supporting liberalism, then your claim that the South can’t survive without the North would at not sound purely delusional.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Parts of the North are “Obama supporting”. In a few years, most of the South will vote that way as well due to demographics.

            Don’t understand your mentality. It is almost like you want to fight with “Northerners”.

            Again, explain to me how I want to “change” Southern culture.

            I actually prefer Southern culture from the past. However, if Southerns hate me regardless of my opinion, then I guess we’d become enemies of each other regardless.

          • 1G25

            “Unfortunately, there is a lot of ignorance in the South.”

            Nice argument “in the cause of unity.”

          • Earl Turner

            Brother, are you white first or Southern first?

            I’m a Southron myself. But I am white first. I don’t care if you are a Yankee, from Europe, Canada, wherever, if you’re white, you’re my Folk until your actions against our Folk say otherwise.

            We in the South are so divided. Hell, we don’t like each other because of what church he or she goes to or because of high school football team rivalries!

          • Sick of it

            Congratulations, their voting patterns alone have made most of them enemies.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          An excellent mix! My wife is 3/4 Polish, 1/4 English. She is a lovely lady, the love of my life. One of our good friends is a lovely lady that my wife has been friends with many years, who is half Cherokee, half Scots-Irish. She is a strong racial realist, has no use for Negroes. Her Grandfather, a full blooded Cherokee from Oklahoma, voted for George Wallace.

        • Sick of it

          After taking a DNA test, I found out that I have a significant amount of Eastern European ancestry. It must be the Prussian lines…

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        I’m an eighth Ashkenazi descent myself, a quarter Swedish, the rest German. The last time anyone set foot in a synagogue in my family was in Germany before 1900. The Nazi types would call me, a tall Teuton who would look like a German or English tourist in Israel, a Jew, and not want me around. These Nazi types are just stupid. David Yeagley, half Comanche half German, was one of the greatest champions of our cause. God rest his soul. We will all miss him. There are many White racial realists who are part Jewish descent and part American Indian. Jews are Caucasian racially, and the Ashkenazi sub-race of Caucasians has been blessed with superior cognitive and artistic abilities. The Red race has also demonstrated abilities on par with Whites. Most Indian reservations are places with little crime. They may be poor monetarily, but life there is rich in ways that are more important. Living in harmony with nature, being good stewards of the land. Anyone with a modicum of perceptive ability can see that The Bell Curve hit the nail on the head squarely. The Negro race, and the Bronze race native to South America are backward races. They are both violent and sociopathic as well as intellectually inferior and superstitious. The Red race is most compatible with Caucasians of all the non-White races. Thomas Jefferson made this observation, but was equally vehement regarding the non-compatibility of the Negro race with Whites. Had he been exposed to the Bronze race, I suspect he would have found them incompatible with Whites as well, and opined that miscegenation between them and Whites would not result in a European style civilization in South America. Compare Mexico to Oklahoma, and we clearly see the stark difference between the Bronze and Red race.

        • antiquesunlight

          Actually, Indian reservations have very high crime rates. Google it.

          • none of your business

            They are also filthy and covered with trash. They don’t even put the disposable diapers in the garbage but dump them everywhere.

        • pcmustgo

          I am surprised you do not think American Indians and South American Indians are the same. The Bronze Mexicans, etc, had MORE sophisticated civilizations (Inca, Maya, Aztec) then northern Native Americans. So what are you saying?

  • Evette Coutier

    I say let’s give blacks their very own place-Puerto Rico. Give left wing loons Hawaii.

    • Long Live Dixie

      I say New England for both.

      • Evette Coutier

        I say let them have Death Valley.

        • Tarczan

          Death Valley is actually nice. Shoshone, Ca. is a little trailer town of about 150 that is the gateway to Death Valley. It does get a little hot though.

          • 4321realist

            I came out of L.A. heading for Texas a few years back in May.

            L.A. was maybe 76-78 degrees or thereabouts, but Death Valley….. I took special note….. was 110 degrees. I was told by the natives there it gets up around 120 EVERY DAY in July and August.

            And when I got up the road just a short way, Flagstaff had some snow on the ground here and there. I didn’t check the temp, but I’m guessing it was in the thirties.

            All this drastic variation in just a 7 hour drive.

            And of the three, Death Valley would be the one where I would NEVER want an auto breakdown at any time of the year.

            And live there? Uh, uh. No way. Let the blacks and browns have it.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        MA/CT/RI are already being taken over by Negroes/Mestizoes. The 3 Northern states would probably choose to secede along with the rest of red county America, beginning with New Hampshire. Lots of Confederate Battle Flags fly proudly in rural New Hampshire. They are close enough to Boston to see what is at stake. Vermonters need to wake up to racial reality, though Vermont is not as Leftist as one might expect. A few trips to Springfield, MA would make racial realists of most Vermonters.

  • Adolf Verloc

    I question whether secession is feasible for more than a few states, but I would like to see a return to the Articles of Confederation. Quite aside from questions of white nationalism, the world is moving toward devolution and localism.

  • Anglo

    “Mark Denny, a 59-year-old retiree living outside Dallas on disability payments.”

    People need to think carefully about secession and what it would mean. I support secession; I can make it. However, there are many people who, as they criticize government, are living on and/or dependent on government programs. Are they really thinking of the costs to them? hardships? perhaps, death as the price they pay?

    • Who Me?

      I noticed that too, but people pay taxes now to support the elderly and disabled, I think they would be more than happy to pay the same or less to support WHITE elderly and/or disabled. The load would surely be far lighter with the non-White parasites living elsewhere. The White parasites would likely stay with the rest of them too, rather than go with the ones who would far rather make a homeland for our children, grandchildren and the descendants of the WHITE race.

    • antiquesunlight

      I think it COULD be done in a very peaceful, humane, and successful way. The question is whether we would be ALLOWED to peacefully, humanely, and successfully secede. 1861 part two.

      • Periapsis

        We already know the answer to that question thanks to the Civil War. The next attempt to secede will result in Civil WarTwo, or more accurately WW-II 2.0, because the ruling elites here are more than willing to kill 50 million people to keep control of their emerging slave empire here.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      You can have a disability retirement through your pension plan with no gov’t benefits involved, I’m personally in that boat – but your broader point is important. Since we’ve had a few generations of low fertility, the average age of Whites is rather high. On the other hand, older people can be productive, even disabled people like me, but I’ll be d-mned if I slave away at a day job in this Mexican-infested hole called Los Angeles. Absent the gov’t teat, we’d return to what we did in the past – extended family, church and civic groups, private charity and volunteerism.

      • Anglo

        Yes, to my point, so many are dependent on government now and without even realizing how dependent they really are. It’s my concern that we may not be able to return to all the old traditional values of our once proud White country. I hope I’m wrong. I think Whites need to recognize secession would be a hard struggle. We must be aware of the sacrifices we would have to make. We don’t know what the future may be. I was thinking back in history when the South thought they would secede, whip those Yankees in a few weeks, and it would be over — oh, little did they know.

        • 1G25

          Actually, they hoped secession would be peaceful, and many northern newspapers expressed support for that.

          Didn’t jive with Lincoln’s agenda.

    • Earl Turner

      When we do have a white homeland, and I refuse to give up hope, we will have those of our Folk who are in need. We will have far fewer poor than whatever is left of Amurrica, but we will have some who are poor, some who are disabled, and we will have the elderly.

      Charity begins at home but we will still have to have some form of assistance. It will be strictly means tested, limited in scope, and those found to be malingerers or collecting it fraudently will find themselves walking across the border to join the rest of the parasites that Amurrica seems to cater to.

  • I fully support using nuclear weapons on Washington D.C. I am Michael Christopher Scott and I fully support using nuclear weapons on everyone.

  • Samuel Hathaway

    Already there are many “mini-secessionists” movements on the local level. Take suburban Atlanta, for example. As blacks took control of county governments, those parts of the counties they govern with a large-majority white population, began movements to form their own city governments.

    Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, and Chattahoochee Hills, for example, have white majorities in majority-black counties. They run their own police dept. garbage pick up and fire service.

    • Augustus3709

      Yeah, it’s very important to act locally. Sometimes that’s all you can do, but in the short term it may be all you need.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        Regional secession is probably not practical. Local secession movements are catching fire. The cities that now are self-governing from the heavy-hand of county government, in Georgia anyway, have happened during a Republican-dominated legistlature.

        It is a cumbersome process to approve separate city governments for these municipalities that clearly have white majorities that had been taxed to death by unresponsive black county commissioners that did everything they could to bleed white taxpayers dry, providing substandard services and pouring the money into largely black areas.

    • Earl Turner

      Their approach is that you have to be wealthy enough to afford to live away from them. Their motto is “diversity for thee but not for me.”

      I live in Macon. Same attitude here.

  • here is how you do it–in the aftermath of a crisis, get the house of representatives to unite and send power back to the states. Let the IRS and the military/security state remain in place. The states will get money from the IRS to pay social security and other welfare state payments.

    Government at the local level is much more accountable to the people, in general, than federal government.

    • Who Me?

      “The states will get money from the IRS to pay social security and other welfare state payments.”
      ————————————-
      When the Federal Government pays the states have to dance to the fed’s tune. There goes the idea of any sort of all-WHITE authority.

      • lily-white

        And as a rule of thumb… anywhere there is government money… there is government policy (and corruption)… hospitals, universities. government contractors… just yesterday I spotted a new document on my employers bulletin board… in effect, it stated that since my employer was now classified as a government contractor, then my employer has introduced affirmative action policies… they are “policies of merit” specifically to… and I quote from the document… “minorities and women”… and this pretty much excludes a white male such as myself…

        • Who Me?

          Exactly what I meant. The Federal Government is hell-bent on forcing the multi-culti down our throats in spite of everything we do to try to escape.

    • Spikeygrrl

      Leftist + Conservative = Oxymoron

    • IstvanIN

      Social Security should be paid by the Feds as it is now, to the individual, welfare would devolve to the states with no federal participation. The regular military would devolve to the Feds for the sole purpose of defending our borders from invasion and limited overseas defense of our economic interests (no nation building or bringing democracy to the world or curing ebola). The National Guard would be under the sole control of the states for their defense

    • 1G25

      Hence the 10th Amendment, and the few “enumerated powers.”

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Secession of large red county areas trapped in blue states is where this needs to start. The new state of Western Maryland would be a good start. Northern Michigan north of the Bay City/Muskegon line, Illinois outside of Chicagoland, Southeast Ohio West of Columbus and South of Canton, Central and Northern PA, and New York State separating from the NYC counties.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    My sentiments exactly. Blocks of rural red counties trapped in blue states could secede, and reduce handouts, can affirmative action, and press to secede from the U.S. entirely along with other newly formed states, so that borders could be closed. If Western Maryland could become the 51’st state, hopefully, this would catalyze a domino effect. Once enough new states exist from for red county segments of blue states, I could see those states going to D.C. with a request to secede from the U.S.

  • antiquesunlight

    This is good news. Hopefully they won’t stop feeling this way as soon as Prestard is out of office.

  • Don’t believe that even the Deep South has a single paleoconservative-controlled state government. More likely counties and regions will become semi-autonomous and break away as the U.S. is more generally splitting apart, with L.A. claimed by Mexicans, Minneapolis by Somalis and so on.

  • superlloyd

    There is no mention in the article of people being completely fed up with the ubiquitous, lying, totalitarian, PC propaganda machine with its cultural marxist nostrums such as diversity is strength; all cultures are equal except for evil, European culture and all minorities are to be worshipped, appeased and financed by the taxpayer, especially the low IQ, negro parasite and the followers of the religion of Peace.

    No wonder that these feelings of secession have strengthened during the reign of foreign born, muslim, mulatto Obama and his one issue, racist mulatto sidekick Holder.

  • Easyrhino

    The US federal government has little to no credibility. Back in the day the media helped keep the dunces in DC in check. Now the media (left & right) is little more than a mouthpiece for DC’s crazy corrupt agendas.

  • Ringo Lennon

    The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.Malcolm X

    Man was right on.

  • will someone else, anyone else, stand up with me here today and say “end the american nation as we know it, and send most power back to the states ASAP!”

    Start here and now and call for an end to this tyranny.

    Reply if you agree.

    • I’m not one of your fans particularly, but you’re right in that this hot “rights” obsessed unitary proposition nation egalitarian plutocracy-democracy mess is about to fall apart. It’s going to have to, for the sake of white people.

    • 1G25

      In other words, undo what Abraham Lincoln did in 1861.

  • adplatt126

    Yup.

  • adplatt126

    Anarchism is federalism taken to the extreme local or even individual level. As for me, I am myself an extreme federalist (or perhaps a moderate anarchist?), and by dint of the principles that embody both, would be more than willing to grant significant amounts of autonomy on a wide range of issues, to groups within such a region with thoughts of their own about how to govern themselves or live their lives. Generally only moderate restraints are necessary and usually not so, if people do not expect things they don’t pay into or expect social standards they don’t care to adhere to. Certainly if it ever came to the point that some significant segment of society wanted out (in plurality for over a decade, or once at over 65 percent of the vote, even of a few counties in a state where ideas differ from the rest) it would only be right to grant them their freedom. Anarchy is not chaos. It’s really just a very consistent philosophy of liberty, that overlooks some secondary implications of true liberty, and generally only needs to be restrained ever so slightly by some sense of coordination agreement, ideally set by local people with similar values.

    • Nancy

      Obviously, this could only be sustainable in an all-white state, as blacks and browns have consistently demonstrated their utter inability to adhere to any code of ethics, or respect another’s rights.

  • MBlanc46

    If secession from the US means merely the recreation of two or three smaller USes, then “no thanks”. There’s no real freedom if police power is just devolved a bit. I want all political power to devolve to small, politically homogenous units, with larger confederations consisting of delegates with binding mandates. You want cut-throat capitalism in your domain? Fine, have at it. She wants an anarchist communist utopia? Be my guest. That said, race realism is the focus of this site, and to that end I’ll ally with now and leave the ultimate disposition of sovereignty to the future.

  • Evette Coutier

    America was destroyed when the supreme court ruled that your right to associate with people of your choice is superseded by minorities right to associate with you against your will. Secession will not fix that unless the right of freedom of association is reestablished, at least in one of the new nations.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Exactly. White Southerners, who live in heavily Black areas, thinking that the same Confederate states which seceded 150 years ago could simply do so again, and do so without changing their borders, with the intent of simply re-segregating the Blacks are hopelessly naive. Too much time has passed since the end of segregation in the South. Blacks no longer know their place, tons of Whites object to segregation and would fight re-segregation along with the Blacks. The Bronzies from South America are also a factor now. A modern Confederate States of America seceding to form an independent country must be built on racial grounds. It needs to be a collection of homogenous White ethnostates with no more than small pockets of non-Whites. The only Southern States that fit this profile are West Virginia and Kentucky. Elsewhere, the current states would need to split up, following the Western Maryland statehood secession example. Western Maryland is smart. Downstate Maryland is a Multicult cesspool. Trying to turn the clock back 50 years or more to the way things were will not happen. Time marches on. Downstate Maryland will never be as it once was. Western Marylanders understand this. Secession is the best answer. Secede while Western Maryland is still worth saving. If Western Maryland becomes the 51’st state, other Southern areas that are mostly White and still livable need to also secede and form new states. Eastern TN comes to mind. Northern Alabama. The North Georgia mountain counties. Places like Atlanta and Memphis need to be left behind. They are beyond redemption. Areas that secede to form new states need to join Northern areas that have done the same. A solid geographical block of White ethnostates would soon exist from Northern Georgia/Alabama north to New York State, separate from Metro NYC, and possibly even include the Northern New England states.

      • 1G25

        Or – the newly seceded states could enact draconian changes to welfare, affirmative action and political correctness. As in complete and instant amputation.

        The roaches would flee, and the problem would solve itself. I’ll live next door to a Thomas Sowell or Larry Elder any day, and white trash can haul ass with the rest of the trash.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Very well said. The Red race has been the most compatible with us of all the non-White races. The Red race and the Bronze race are nothing alike. The late David Yeagley, may the good Lord rest his soul, was one of our strongest advocates.

  • Bill Moore

    Hello,

    A suggestion for a name for our new section of the USA: “Caucasia”. The other sections could be “Africanus” and “Mexicalis”.

    High fences with machine gun turrets and land mines.

    Just the thought of it warms my heart.

    Just My Thoughts,
    Bill Moore

  • Jimmy Joseph

    I like the idea of an “ethno-state” or “ethno-nation” , however, there are some real obstacles that must be addressed.

    1) Which States would be “White enough” to allow for this “nation”?
    2) Who would be considered White?
    3) Would Whites who are in mixed relationships be allowed into new nation?
    4) How do we determine if someone is Caucasian? America doesn’t keep ethnicity records on people.
    5) How wil we take care of the large number of older people in this nation?
    6) How will trade and commerce develop unless we have ports and access to the ocean?
    7) What will happen to all the nukes and military weaponry in the non White areas?
    8) What will the gender relationships be between White men and White women?

    These are just some of the litany of obstacles that are present against forming a White ethno-nation. It will be hard to pull off, given the level of collapse in the White birthrate.

    Anyone have any thoughts?

    • IstvanIN

      1) In the long run we would have to expect population exchanges.
      2) if you look white, act white and support white causes. To be overly “exact” would be pointless.
      3) Probably not, although a white or nearly white hispanic whose children look and act white might be ok.
      4) See 2.
      5) There will be sacrifices. Life expediencies will probably drop especially among very elderly, dependent whites who would be institutionalized because of dementia or frail health with no family to care for them.
      6) We would need coastal states such as the Pacific Northwest or New England or the Carolinas.

      7) Nukes would be ours. Weaponry would no doubt be divided if there were a peaceful divorce, ours if we won a war.
      8) Normal I would assume. I would assume the really far-left people would stay with their pets.

      • Jimmy Joseph

        2) Alot of white nationalists believe in the “one drop rule”. How would you convince them otherwise?

        7)! How could you make sure we’d get the nukes? Why would the minorities give up nukes in their terroritory? They could get the Chinese or Russia s to help them maintain them since they don’t likely have the technical ability to do so.

        • 7) Nukes This could be a big issue. I’d expect the left-behind diverse population and the remaining US Gov’t to view a white ethno-state (i.e. country) with extreme hostility. Even though it’s actions might be completely peaceful, I’d expect that the liberals left behind would work themselves into a frenzy over fears of white supremacists = Nazi Germany= servants of Hitler.

          Thus they’d had no moral issues at all with a nuclear first strike “on humanitarian grounds” and to protect their negros. Therefore a white state without nuclear deterents would be like a rich oil tanker in African waters, (off the coast of Somolia) without any deterent or self defense forces. Simply fruit for the taking.

          Russia or China could view a white ethostate as long term competition and thus would help the remaining diverse US diversity Government. If they were smart they’d make common cause with such a state but I’m uncertain. On these grounds, I wonder why we are currently enemies with Russia. We’ve certainly worked to bolster separatist movements and to damage Russia by any means possible for the past 6 years.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Correct.

            I don’t think Russia or China would ally with a white ethnic state. They would easily ally with the enemy to keep down their “competition”.

            Forming a white ethnic nation isn’t going to be simple. It would take a lot of bloodshed and some luck for it to survive,

            Couple that with an aging a White population I the USA with low birth rates and mixed racial children.

            Very difficult. Hopefully, not impossible.

          • That is true. Also add to this the fact that such a state, if allowed to survive would eventually develop advanced weaponry and defensive/ offensive capabilities. Superficially for them promoting the pro-diversity (i.e. negro / Mexican) US Gov’t would work in their best short term interests. That nation would eventually devolve into a similar state as Africa. A big bag of toothless semi-literates, easily bought off by bribes to local politcos/ warloards, while one can just steal their resources.

            However due to the military tradition + nuclear stockpile, the remaining Diversity Government won’t be nearly as toothless as Africa but would of course cease to be a global leader.

            However, Russia may be interested as they’re Caucasian and facing a Chinese threat. Also the old USA was never better than when we were in competition with the old USSR, however, the lure of hegemony may be too strong for them to resist.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            Crazy times.

            Dunno what will happen. But the division of the nation will have to happen unless we want to devolve into a Brazil.

        • IstvanIN

          2) One can go to absurd lenghts with the one-drop rule. One American-Indian relative in 1630 seems a bit harsh. I suppose one could do genetic tests but even then you might end up with too small a population. If a few WN nationalists refuse to see the bigger picture, separation versus the status quo, I would hope most would see the light, grab victory and just grumble a little.
          7) The Nukes in their territories would have to be destroyed somehow if not removed. Perhaps blood shed to prevent the lunatics from getting any.

          • Jimmy Joseph

            White nationalists will have to do away with the one drop rule since the White numbers would be too low to survive,

            However, how much non White ethnicity can they have?

            Also, I’m not sure you can just get the nukes so fast. Other nations might support the non white ethnic states again the newly formed White ethnic state.

            Also white liberals might help the nonwhite population as well.

            Not so simple.

          • IstvanIN

            You are correct on the nuke issue. We would have to control the nukes (launch/detonation) to prevent other nations from interfering with us. We would also have to be willing to use them against any nation, such as China Russia or Mexico, that tried to interfere.

          • Sick of it

            Once you go beyond a few hundred years, non-white ancestry may not appear on a DNA test any longer. Genealogies are more accurate in that regard.

      • 1G25

        6) New Orleans ties annually with New York as America’s busiest seaport… and there might be a helluva tariff levied on northern states which wish to ship their produce to coastal areas other than by truck or train – if that were economical, they’d already be doing it.

  • drattastic

    You guys are too hung up on race alone.
    You split the country like this.
    1.Red states stay red
    2. Blue states stay blue
    3. Purple states vote on whether the wish to go with the red or the blue.
    4. An adequate amount of time is given for those who wish to live in the country with which they prefer is given for taking care of personal/financial matters.
    5. Socialist/progressive/liberals of all colors will naturally go to blue states. Conservatives/patriots/nationalist of all colors will go to red states. I’ll get along quite nicely with anyone of any color that subscribes to my ideology.
    6. Red states will of course use the Constitution of the United States for the basis of our society, with a chance of clarifying things like the 2nd and 14th amendments. In other words we can make it right.
    7. Blue states can have whatever kind of dysfunctional socialist government they want.
    8. We will split the national debt and military
    9. Both sides will sign non aggression treaties/ pacts. This will work for awhile but soon the bankrupt blue state will wish to break the treaty or rejoin the Red state but by that time the Red state will be debt free with a strong military and we will simply laugh at them.

  • Tarczan

    If Federalism were followed, separation would not be necessary. If the Fed were limited to what is called for in the Constitution, the States would administer the welfare programs as they see fit. The only provision would be they would have to be fiscally solvent, unlike the fed now.

    Federalism calls for a sort of competition among the states for the best governance. If a state offered unsolvent or overly generous programs, they would lose out to other states. The federal government would limit itself to defense and international affairs.

    All of the federal welfare programs are wildly bankrupt, if they were run by the states solvency would be required, because states can’t print money.

    There is still hope, but it is fading.

  • ghettovalley

    Wait, you mean people are sick of almost half of their check being taken every week to pay for a bunch of pointless nonsense? I am amazed.

  • jackryanvb

    Now watch as Nicholas Sarkozy types, American Neo Conservative types work to co-op White American secession movements the same as they did mainstream Conservative movements.

    the Secession movements will become like Scotlands independence movement, all based on hating, seceding from some other perfectly good White group. Texans will work to secede from the United States because the Federal Government is supposedly telling Texas ranchers like Cliven Burdy who then can and can’t hire and what wages they have to pay. These Texas patriots will all be about having 10.000 acre ranches with thousands of Mestizo sub minimum wage slave workers – who will work for a year or two, before they move on up to join their gang banging relatives in Chicago.

    • TXCriollo

      We have plenty of texans mexican american german American who need jobs. We are sick of the non americans coming to texas. The indians the illegals and so on. As much as i agree that we can handle it mexico would attack us in a second if we left the usa

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    I’m guessing the 84 IQ results from Islam. The masses in Islamic countries are kept as illiterate and uneducated as possible by the elites. Greece has 99% literacy, neighboring Turkey 67%. Israel has 99% literacy, the surrounding Islamic lands rates similar to Turkey.