Southern Whites’ Loyalty to G.O.P. Nearing That of Blacks to Democrats

Nate Cohn, New York Times, April 24, 2014

President Obama’s landslide victory in 2008 was supposed to herald the beginning of a new Democratic era. And yet, six years later, there is not even a clear Democratic majority in the country, let alone one poised for 30 years of dominance.

It’s not because Mr. Obama’s so-called new coalition of young and nonwhite voters failed to live up to its potential. They again turned out in record numbers in 2012. The Democratic majority has failed to materialize because the Republicans made large, countervailing and unappreciated gains of their own among white Southerners.

From the high plains of West Texas to the Atlantic Coast of Georgia, white voters opposed Mr. Obama’s re-election in overwhelming numbers. In many counties 90 percent of white voters chose Mitt Romney, nearly the reversal of the margin by which black voters supported Mr. Obama.

While white Southerners have been voting Republican for decades, the hugeness of the gap was new. Mr. Obama often lost more than 40 percent of Al Gore’s support among white voters south of the historically significant line of the Missouri Compromise. Two centuries later, Southern politics are deeply polarized along racial lines. It is no exaggeration to suggest that in these states the Democrats have become the party of African Americans and that the Republicans are the party of whites.

The collapse in Democratic support among white Southerners has been obscured by the rise of the Obama coalition. {snip}

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It is impossible to discuss Mr. Obama’s weakness among Southern whites without mention of race. It is surely a factor, and perhaps even a large one. Mr. Obama performed significantly worse than John Kerry among Southern whites, even though both were Northern liberals and 2008 was a far better year for Democrats than 2004. {snip}

But it is hard to know the extent to which racism is responsible for Mr. Obama’s weakness. After all, Mr. Obama is not the only Democrat to perform so poorly in recent years. Some white Democratic candidates, like Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, have done worse than Mr. Obama among Southern whites. And Mr. Obama’s losses are part of a longer-term trend. Mr. Kerry, for instance, performed worse than Al Gore, who even fared worse than Michael Dukakis among Southern whites.

{snip} This November, Southern whites could easily deny Democrats control of the Senate by dismissing Democratic incumbents in North Carolina, Arkansas and Louisiana.

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The Republicans are not doomed to become a regional party. But a more moderate Republican presidential candidate, like New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, would struggle to win Southern primaries, where many voters adhere to conservative orthodoxy. The road to the nomination without the South, which holds such a large share of the party’s elected officials and voters, is narrow and long.

If the Republicans do eventually attempt to broaden their appeal, the result could be the eventual marginalization of the South within American politics. For now, cultural issues like same-sex marriage are at least given lip service by the national Republican Party. In the future, they might not even get that courtesy.

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  • Drowning men clinging to a straw. Republicans can have their imaginary Mestizo voters in their wet dreams, because they won’t be getting my vote until they do something for the white race. Jeff Sessions is an exception. He deserves 100 percent of the white vote.

    • Long Live Dixie

      I have a hard time getting past Sessions’s support for the Iraq War. I’m not interested in sending Southern men to their deaths in a God-forsaken desert on behalf of Israel and US industry.

      • Annabelle Pettyjohn

        The Republican Party is controlled by the radical Jews who came to the RP during Reagan Admin. They are Zionist and have duped the Evangelicals to support them. These Jews have no conscience and the only people who exist in the Jewish world is the interest of the Jew. Whites are barred from this point of view; and it is the Jew who declared war on the white world and it is the Jew who is deconstructing the Western World.

    • Paulie Boy

      Agreed. Unfortunately, Adelson is going to buy the nomination for Bush 3. Well, let me qualify that, it is a good thing. It will be the end of the republican party and the birth of an explicitly pro-White party.

  • [Guest]

    >>>In many counties 90 percent of white voters chose Mitt Romney, nearly the reversal of the margin by which black voters supported Mr. Obama.

    Nonwhites got what they wanted—a president who openly favors nonwhites. If those nasty ol’ unreconstructed racist white Southern voters had gotten their way, would the result have been a president who openly favored white voters? No.

    That’s how it is in present-day America: If you lose, you lose. If you win, you lose.

  • Race isn’t as much of a factor for Southern Republicans as the NYT wants to think. I know plenty of white Southerners – my parents, my boss, some friends – who were more than willing to vote for Herman Cain. In fact, the main reason white Southerners are crowding into the Republican party is because they are disgusted by the obvious, open racialism of non-white Democrats. They are moving to the Republican party because it is the only party that even sort of pretends to care about their interests. If the NYT wants to scream about racism, they should be looking at the Democrats.

    But as always and forever and eternally and endlessly, Southerners as the evil racist scapegoats.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      That’s the problem; they’re color-blind suckers.

  • MekongDelta69

    Civil War II – Coming to a theater and real life near you…

    • If and when it happens, I’ll be on the front line. And it can’t happen too soon, as far as I’m concerned.

      • The Final Solution

        I’ll stand and be counted. I’ll see you on the battlefield brother.

        • Who Me?

          I’d probably be more of a hindrance than a help on the battlefield, being an old, slow grandma, but don’t count us old grandmas out of the game, we can and will do our part to help, even if it’s nothing more than keeping warm food ready for the fighters and keeping ourselves and the kiddies safe so the fighters don’t have to worry about us.

          • Sick of it

            Learn from the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. From the people of Afghanistan, in said case. Everyone can be effective in war, they just have to stop being so squeamish and do what needs doing. Do you think the enemy will have qualms about doing the same to you and your kids/grandkids? History says otherwise.

          • Who Me?

            That’s what I said. I and many others like me who can’t “meet on the battlefield” will be ready and willing to render assistance and aid when and where it is needed. An army needs backup, food and safe places to rest, medical care, etc. almost as much as it needs fighters.

      • tetrapod

        Most Americans are woefully unaware of history, and too dumb, fat, and happy to think it could come to that here. If it does, things could quickly turn dark and ugly. Let’s not kid ourselves that racial tensions in the US could not result in ethnic cleansing as different groups see their survival threatened.

        Don’t look for the sudden eruption of whole scale civil war. It will start slowly. The wrong person will die from the wrong “knockout game” at the wrong time. The victim’s “community” will seek bloody retribution. There will then be counter retribution, this time in geographically scattered communities, which will again be countered, and so on. We have already seen this tendency on a small scale in response to Trayvon Martin, and earlier from the Rodney King incident. Let’s see what happens when our melting pot fully devolves into a pressure cooker.

        This is the risk the progressive tyranny has brought upon us with its unremitting pressure to build a multicultural utopia while ignoring the lessons of history and denying the reality of our human instincts. Biology is not mocked.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          It won’t be a pressure cooker, it will be a runaway nuclear reactor exploding them melting down. I could make the case for arguing that we are ALREADY in a low-level race war right now. The way whites are getting killed are more akin to war crimes than anything else. When things really explode, look for whites forming militias and death squads, which of course will lead to an expansion of hostilities. Whites are soon going to realize their collective survival is under threat by all other racial groups, we are one incident the controlled media cannot hide away from that awakening. There will be ethnic cleansing, what whites must do is make sure it will be our enemies who are driven out or killed in the coming wars, not us. We will of course learn how to be like a glob of grease, with no central leadership to target.

          • POLARBEAR MAXIM

            This is an approximation of what the DeUnited States will look like as imagined
            by an old era Soviet KGB Russian professor

          • DonReynolds

            Move New Mexico over to the Californian Republic.
            (Not many came from the southeast.)
            Move Tennessee and the Carolinas over to the Texas Republic.
            (Too many blood ties to ignore.)
            Now it will work fine. Approved.

          • You forgot the part about mercilessly bombing Mexico and kicking out all illegals and anchor babies. Anyway, that’s my suggestion.

          • POLARBEAR MAXIM

            The De-United States of America

          • Maybe I need to start saving to move to Iceland…

          • DonReynolds

            If you are going to run, leave the flag behind. We will need it more than you will.

          • I’m more than willing to fight and even die if there’s a realistic chance of saving the place I love, but it doesn’t make sense to live as a hated minority. I want to have children some day, and I want them to grow up in a decent, white place.

          • DonReynolds

            My fine fellow,
            There is no place to run and no place to hide.
            Either we stay here alive or we stay here dead.
            This is our home and the only way for other men to live here is by taking it from us.
            If we cannot hold our homeland, there is no place we can hold.

          • Rhialto

            If the US collapses, I don’t think that Mexico, Canada or any Western Hemisphere county will be unconquered.

            I think that great Islamic Nation. may control the North Atlantic states, the Maritimes and much of eastern Canada, the rest of Canada will be under Asian control. This assumes the Muslims have a credible nuclear deterrent. If not, the Asians get it all, except perhaps Alaska.

          • Alexandra1973

            According to a friend of mine there will be an invasion. Cuba is to be a staging base.

            http://drakeshelton(dot)com/2013/03/03/eric-jon-phelps-predictions/

            And a word of warning from that article:

            At 36 minutes he predicts that Obama’s heightened socialism and race baiting will drive the white people into a third party Fascism which was prepared by Ron Paul and Alex Jones and this new 3rd Party will be led, PROBABLY by Jesse Ventura.

            I might add that Mr. Phelps is a race realist as well.

            So let’s be careful not to be pawns in their game. Always ask yourself: Who benefits?

          • Diana Moon Glampers

            SC in with NY? Ain’t happening.

          • I don’t agree with this either but the point is even foreigners
            are not blind to the pearl to the problem plagued USA

          • Diana Moon Glampers

            True. I see more coverage of us politics on the news when I am in Eastern Europe than I do here.

          • We’ll take Idaho, Utah and Nevada in six weeks.

          • RisingReich

            Revenge tours of duty

          • The Final Solution

            The Postman is one of my favorite movies of a white supremacist army rising up after the apocalypse. Will Patton was phenomenal in that movie. Great inspiration for what is to come. Law 7!

          • Geo1metric

            ” We will of course learn how to be like a glob of grease, with no central leadership to target.”

            Leaderless resistance.

            An excellent novel about LR is UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES by John Ross.

        • DonReynolds

          Excesses lead to excesses.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      When the multicultural experiment in America dissolves into bloodshed and chaos, it will be many times worse than the American Civil War. We have seen how destructive civil wars can be when they involve a number of ethnic and religious groups fighting each other for territorial dominance. Lebanon and Yugoslavia immediately come to mind. However, the multicultural extremists are importing third world trash from all around the globe. They are determined to turn the US into a miniature UN consisting of hundreds of ethnic groups. This won’t be just any civil war. Prepare yourselves for WWIII or Yugoslavia on steroids.

      • Slot Machine

        Either that or a large amount of whites will intermarry and we will become a carbon copy of Brazil.

      • Diana Moon Glampers

        Entirely possible. And like Yugoslavia, TPTB will be called upon to put down the whites. Unlike that conflict, it will be wholesale slaughter by drone strike followed by residual clearing to use up a billion DHS rounds. Thus the former USA will have only a small powerless white minority left.

        I hate to be so negative about our prospects here, but if it goes full-on faction fight, that is how I see it going down.

        • DonReynolds

          Full-on would be a bit confused at first, since they cannot actually defend any place above ground.

      • DonReynolds

        I agree…..it will not resemble the last Civil War.

  • rasher223

    They don’t have the young white vote though. So I expect these numbers to diminish over time.

    Support from youth will make or break you.

    • DonReynolds

      Five percent of the voters is not going to make or break anything. Haven’t you heard? There is no young white vote. They have been a minority all of their lives in school, even if they live in a white majority area, because blacks and/or hispanics have many more chillins than an equal number of whites.

      • rasher223

        Those young whites will grow into adults one day. They won’t always be young.

        You want to have them on board from the get-go, else you’ll become irrelevant. Which is pointless now…white representation in politics is diminishing very rapidly.

        • DonReynolds

          I have not seen any white representation in politics in decades by this government. That is why we have a problem today and the government will have a problem tomorrow.

    • Except that young whites don’t stay young. They do stay white.

      • Kenner

        Well said!

      • rasher223

        Yeah and you want to get them on board when they’re young.

        Or else someone else will snatch up their impressionable young minds. (leftist degenerates)

  • DonReynolds

    This is a repeat of the same lie told many times:
    Anyone who is white (especially Southern Whites) is opposed to the Obamba administration because they are racists.
    Of course, it is a lie. Run a white conservative for president on the Democrat ticket and then count the votes.
    Personally, I do not care if whites get as racist as the blacks who voted for Obamba. (When you vote by race, that is racism.)
    But which had you rather have, the votes of whites…..
    who are 71% of the population of this country
    or the undying affection of blacks and hispanics…..
    who are 29% of the population?

  • JSS

    “If the Republicans do eventually attempt to broaden their appeal”

    Throwing Whites under the bus a.k.a trying to broaden their appeal is why the Repubs lost to Obama. They appeal to everyone but normal White people. To be honest I don’t see why any White Southerners bother voting for anything other then state issues.

    • DonReynolds

      I agree…..the Republicans do not need to appeal to blacks and hispanics. Those will never leave the Democrat party.
      Republicans need to stop spitting in the faces of their own party base, so they will show up on election day.

  • DonReynolds

    I realize it is unfair to ask a question of the NYTimes…..but I will ask the obvious……
    Why is it considered racist for whites to vote for a white candidate but it is not considered racist when blacks vote for a black candidate?

  • tetrapod

    People like Jon “Stewart” Liebowitz and other media …insiders … are free to ridicule white southerners with impunity. As more southern whites flee to the Republicans, there’s little doubt the MSM will increasingly portray that party as a bunch of toothless rubes.

    The sad truth is that not just southerners, but all whites, have nowhere else to go. At one time Republican oligarchs at least pretended to champion “family values” and other interests near and dear to their white base, but that’s hardly the case now, which is apparent from the many RINOs who are selling us out on amnesty.

    It’s hard to see how anything except some type of social cataclysm that can reverse the status quo, given the relentless demographic erosion of white influence and prestige.

    • IstvanIN

      Oh, didn’t you know that ALL White Southerners, as well as Whites in Fly Over states, are all ignoramuses? There is a popular radio show on the afternoon here in NJ and the male host is always making cracks about these people. I rarely listen to the show but when I do he makes a comment that makes me change the station.

      • Sick of it

        No offense, but someone from Jersey shouldn’t mock the ignorance of others…

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        They do it on Los Angeles sports and talk radio constantly. You can’t say anything objectively critical about Black or Brown people over the airwaves but you will hear Hillbilly, Redneck, Hick, White Trash, Trailer Park Trash, Moonshine runner, West Virginian, “Deliverance” folk and any other number of pejoratives directed at a particular group. Funny how the media works that way.

      • DonReynolds

        Haven’t you read the memo? There is a defamation league for everyone except white rednecks. So if you are going to do comedy, the only people you can mock and insult and make full of….are…..white rednecks. Pick any other group and the shitztorm will start by morning.

      • Geo1metric

        Do you write and/or call the station manager and complain?

        • IstvanIN

          No, they make fun of callers that do not agree with them, there is no room for a intelligent discussion.

  • The Republicans are not doomed to become a regional party. But a more moderate Republican presidential candidate, like New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, would struggle to win Southern primaries, where many voters adhere to conservative orthodoxy. The road to the nomination without the South, which holds such a large share of the party’s elected officials and voters, is narrow and long.

    Yet, Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination for President in 2012 without winning even one primary or caucus in the Deep or Mid South while the race was still competitive and not counting Virginia, where his apparatchicks scammed the ballot so that the only choices were Romney and Ron Paul.

    Personally, I think the lesson from 2012 is that if you can’t win the white Southerner early in the year when you are running for the Republican nomination, you have no chance to win working and middle class whites outside the South in November. Mitt Romney was the favorite of blue state and blue county Republican voters, while whoever the anti-Romney flavor of the day was won everywhere else. But what blue state and blue county Republicans conveniently forgot is that blue states and blue counties have mostly Democrat voters that don’t vote in Republican primaries but do vote in November.

    • Xerxes22

      Republicans can win in northern states especially swing states like Ohio and Pa. if they make at least some attempt to appeal to blue collar voters especially union voters. Southern Whites will vote for any candidate that has an R after his name. That is not the case with northern White voters. If the Republican party wants their votes then it will have to court them just like any voting bloc, otherwise a lot of them will stay home or vote Democrat as the lesser of two evils.

      • Working-middle class white people north of the M-D line are now the crucial swing demographic. Romney carried the white vote in those crucial states, but he didn’t carry them by big enough margins. I happen to think a lot of working middle class blue to gray collar and even some white collar people in those crucial states stayed home.

        But my point is that the white Southerner in January voting in Republican primaries is a good proxy for the working-middle blue-gray collar white non-Southerner in November. Romney did not get the former group in January, so he didn’t get the latter group in November in the numbers and margins he needed.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        If The Republican Party was a real party they could own Ohio and Pennsylvania just on platform and policy. But they won’t, they need that 24 year old AA candidate or dreamer to vote for them that never will.

    • DonReynolds

      The primary process is screwed up.
      The Republican nominee should be chosen by delegates from states where Republican is the majority. If a state like California has two dozen Republicans, they should not have voting delegates at the convention. It does not matter what they think, their state has not voted Republican in years. Same for any other state. If it is not a Republican state with an open primary, where the majority of the votes cast are from Democrats and Independents, they should not have voting delegates at the national nominating convention. What damn difference does it make which Republican candidate wins the Iowa or New Hampshire primary?
      Only in this way can we be sure that the nominee is someone the party base will turn out and vote for.

  • DaveMed

    Even if they are not consciously moving to the GOP due to White identity, such polarization can only be good. The greater the division, the greater the chance that Whites will have an “Aha!” moment similar to the movements we’re seeing in Europe.

  • WR_the_realist

    It is no exaggeration to suggest that in these states the Democrats
    have become the party of African Americans and that the Republicans are
    the party of whites.

    Actually, the Democrats are the party of African Americans in every state. It’s just that the northern white liberals haven’t figured that out yet. The Republicans get the white vote solely by default, because they aren’t Democrats, not because they have anything positive to offer working and middle class white people.

    • Who Me?

      EXACTLY! Now, if the Republican party leaders would wake up and put up a real candidate on the ballot, one who really represented White interests, he’d probably get CLOSE to (not all) 100% of the White vote, and that would put him in the White House.

  • John R

    Well, this is encouraging. Now I have to get more of my Northern Whites on board. I have said it before and I’ll keep saying it: Even if our numbers decline we can still have a measure of political power if we start voting as a block.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      If Whites had racial solidarity and voted as a block at least we would have the satisfaction of accomplishing something, of fighting back. There is a psychological benefit to feeling somewhat empowered and not completely helpless.

      • Mike

        That’s starting to happen. I wish the GOP weren’t such warmongers though, I didn’t vote for Romney myself.

    • Mike

      I’m Northern

      • John R

        Me, too, fortunately there are some of us “Yankees” that see what is really going on here, and are not out to support those who have our racial replacement in mind. We have to support our own people. If we don’t support ourselves who will? I am sick and tired of hearing about if this or that policy is “fair” to this group or that. To HELL with them! I now care about non-Whites about as much as they care about me.

  • The Final Solution

    Not surprising since white Southerners spend the most time around blacks. They have no illusions about the true nature of the negro. The southern states also have a very high percentage of poor whites in the nation. They are also being heavily invaded by Mexicans and other border jumpers.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      White southerners, and poor southern whites will probably be the first to revolt, make a real effort to secede , or both. The unanswered question is, how many other whites will side with them?

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        I think the first state to exit will be Arizona. The PC gods aren’t as strong there and most residents see what Mexicans and Blacks have brought to the urban areas. Phoenix has been destroyed, nobody argues that. Gun rights are huge in AZ. People in AZ see Washington DC as some far away, foreign place with foreign interests. I lived there for two years until 2012 and the average White there is not liberal, sees the feds as enemies, is well armed and will not be against an eventual divorce from the USA. What Southern state has the cahones? Texas? Although if north Florida could break from the bottom 100 miles of the state there might be potential in that region. Whatever state leaves first, be it Arizona, Alaska, Texas, Vermont… I’m immigrating and renouncing my US citizenship. Ha ha told ya I’d never be on the hook for that 17 trillion+!

        • First the state of Arizona will need to be taken over by paleos. I’m not holding my breath.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            What do you know. Is there a better state than AZ to exit? Remember, AZ was sued by DC because the feds refuse to enforce the border. People won’t forget that.

          • Well, since you insist upon asking, did you read this actual article and look at the map of areas that voted 20 percent or less for Obama? Many states are way ahead of Arizona on that score. But I’m not into saying this or that state is better or worse. I consider the Whites who are fighting the good fight in Arizona to be my brothers in arms. But to think of a “state” as leaving, you have to deal with that state’s politics. So again, I say, when paleos control the Arizona state capitol or any state government, then I will take succession threats seriously. I think county successions are much more likely. Also keep in mind that all states, including Arizona, are becoming less White each month. So then you will probably also need to abolish voting. Maybe a good idea, but claiming state succession just makes a person sound like a trough guy if there is no organizational reality on the ground to back it up. California once tried to cut off benefits to illegals and it was approved by a majority of voters. A judge knocked it down. Meanwhile California gets less and less White each day.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            I didn’t propose it would happen Tuesday. The climate in AZ is ripe for a future succession. AZ was sued by DC. Most of the Mexicans and Blacks in AZ don’t vote. What is important too is that people in AZ aren’t PC slaves like here in Cal, and that in today’s duplicitous world is something.

          • California’s flaming liberals elected such people as Nixon and Reagan. We are being demographically overwhelmed by non-Whites who almost always elect liberal Democrats. The same process is taking place in all other states, including Arizona, but good luck to you.

      • First their state governments need to be taken over be paleos. I’m not holding my breath.

    • Sick of it

      Quite a few people down here who pretend to be egalitarians know full well how different they are from us. What they say in private is very different from what they say in public.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        The Sterling effect.

  • OhWow

    Yet when whites vote 90% GOP they are seen as old world racists while blacks doing the same with Dems is seen as no biggie.

  • John R

    96% of blacks vote for Barrack Obama=Reasonable
    90% of White Southerners vote for Mitt Romney=Racism

  • Petronius

    “the result could be the eventual marginalization of the South within American politics.”

    Duh, ya think? Where has the NY Times been for the last 160 years? During that enormous span of years the only time that the South has not been marginalized was the four glorious years outside the Union from 1860-65.

    The last conservative Southern president was James K. Polk. Since 1850 no conservative Southerner has been nominated for a slot on the national ticket of either of the two major parties. None has been appointed to the Supreme Court since Woodrow Wilson appointed his Attorney General James C. McReynolds to the Court in 1914. And with the exception of James Baker, none has held any significant cabinet post.

    Indeed, it would be hard to imagine any further marginalization of Southern conservatives from national politics than has already occurred.

  • Rhialto

    Perhaps many Southern Whites simply vote a straight ticket, Repub or Dem. They do so to support the local and state Repub candidates, and therefore vote for the Repub presidential candidate by default. Others, disgusted with both major parties, don’t vote.

    I would like to get some quantitative analysis to support or refute these hypotheses.

  • FozzieT

    “It is impossible to discuss Mr. Obama’s weakness among Southern whites without mention of race…..But it is hard to know the extent to which racism is responsible for Mr. Obama’s weakness.” – NY Times.

    “It is impossible to discuss Mr. Romney’s weakness among all Blacks without mention of race….But it is hard to know the extent to which racism is responsible for Mr. Romney’s weakness.” – No News Outlet ANYWHERE.

  • Puggg

    The loyalty of southern whites to GOP is touching, especially considering that they get next to nothing as a reward for that loyalty. At least for voting almost 100% for Democrats, blacks can point to at the very least Barack Obama, and a whole lot of other stuff.

    • IstvanIN

      Yuppers.

      • Granted, I’m a bit naïve with respect to these things, but I had no idea the visage of Thomas Jefferson was affixed to food stamps. What a sacrilege.

        He who said, way back in 1824: “I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.”

        Of course, now everyone has EBT cards so I suppose the objection is academic, in more ways than one…

        • IstvanIN

          Not any more, the states use Electronic Benefits Transfer cards.

        • No kidding, man. Jefferson was rolling in his grave when those things were printed.

  • MBlanc46

    We’re doomed as long as we continue to see our political options limited to voting for the evil party or the party of evil.

    • Which is why the Ruling Class is so thoroughly invested in making sure those are the only two choices available, or viable, on the national stage. So what’ll it be today, Tweedledum or Tweedledee?

  • American_cavalier

    Racism by whom? Obama!

  • Long Live Dixie

    “Southern whites” is redundant.

  • Now if only the GOP would field a decent, reasonable (not craven or mealy-mouthed) candidate for president, we might get somewhere.
    I’m not holding my breath.

    • Who Me?

      Guess I need to read all the comments before putting my own up there, Since I said almost exactly the same thing you did, I deleted mine. (Yours posted first, timewise.)

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Loyalty to the G.O.P. has brought nothing to whites across America but lower standards of living, lower wages, less freedom and a declining population. Indeed, for the most part, whites got nothing in return for their loyalty. Although some have attempted to put the brakes on the death train called globalism, most have stabbed us in the back at every opportunity. It’s way overdue for an explicitly and unapologetically white political party to appear not just in the U.S., but in all of our rightful homelands. The republicans are hopelessly compromised, they are in the pockets of those we are not allowed to criticize. That is why I can no longer vote in good conscience for either party any longer, the cartoon below says it all.

    • POLARBEAR MAXIM

      Man, you hit the nail on the head …
      America is completely corrupted . . . .from sea to shining sea …

    • NoMosqueHere

      This cartoon is as incorrect as it is repellent. As if the jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world — this is pure nazi propaganda. Obama et al are completely anti Israel and routinely compare it to South Africa. To reduce all american politics to jewish interests is insane. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      If you’re so unhappy with your life, take some positive action instead of blaming others. You’re nothing but a wigger.

      • Doesn’t explain it all-but all too much.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Why should I be ashamed? This is reality and the first step to changing it is to see things as they really are.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Just your obligatory NYT “Southerners are racists” propaganda piece. Maybe they don’t vote Democrat because they are tired of seeing wages drop, taxes and crime rise… and town after town across Dixie turning into Mexican colonial outposts.

  • Rurik

    I believe the NYT has seen something, but misinterpreted it. Yes, the South, and also other areas of the Midwest may be locked into an anti-Democrat voting pattern, but that does not irrevocably translate into a pro-GOP vote, just anti-Dermokrat. They (We) are open to any other potentially viable alternative. I no longer vote “for” but “against”. Whatever is said in public, the Institutional GOP understands this, and this is why their current “leadership”, has been treating the Tea Partiers as the Main Enemy.
    Oh and greetings to any of you I may have met last week.

    • Pro_Whitey

      I think the votes are waiting there for the GOP with the right candidate to gather the votes. But instead we get talk of Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio. Even Ted Cruz is compromised in that he wants to expand legal immigration.

  • Annabelle Pettyjohn

    Poor whites have given up and do not vote.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Yes true, but most people are stupid. When I saw that dog and pony show by Bush at the U.N.I could not believe anyone would swallow that crap.Most people at the very least are low information.

  • Paulie Boy

    Southerners are masochists and certainly not the men our ancestors were. I say this as a Southerner and descendant of a Confederate solider that refused to take the oath of allegiance. To observe Southern “manhood” in all it’s glory watch a SEC football game, the men wearing jerseys with the name of their favorite negro player. They are so cute, they remind me of my high school girlfriends that wore my letter jacket. These men would readily serve up their daughters to said negroes

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Said nobody ever. Scottsdale isn’t PHX. North PHX is awful. The only nice areas are on the outskirts.

    • Atheist Realist

      isn’t PV/Encanto all part of north PHX?

  • LHathaway

    “But it is hard to know the extent to which racism is responsible for Mr. Obama’s weakness”

    When people of color don’t vote for a white candidate it is because this candidate isn’t doing enough to help them, they can’t identify with him or her, or even because the candidate supports a racist platform, or is, if not out and out racist then at least insensitive. When whites don’t vote for a candidate of color, it could only be because they are the racists. . .

    The rest of this paragraph is also kind of bizarre/out of kilter, so much so, that perhaps in an of itself it serves as a tiny example of why ‘whites are so racist’. What the author doesn’t point out is that whites will become a minority in the South faster than they will elsewhere, so there is hope. At least from his perspective.

  • Johnny

    I am convinced Mitt Romney lost the 2012 election because of the “47%” comment he made that leaked to public, about the common people

    As for a majority of Southern whites for voting for Romney in 2012 consider this, most Southern whites are Bible believing Christian fundamentalists. People of this particular Christian faith consider Mormons to be heretics. I am also convinced that the majority of Southern whites who voted for Romney, were so fed up with Obama as President, that they put aside whatever prejudices they have against Mormons, and would have preferred Romney as President than Obama.

    Even though Romney lost the 2012 Presidential Election, I am still amazed that a Mormon actually won the Republican 2012 Nomination, had most Southern white people voting for him!

    • One could say that Romney being a Mormon hurt him. But then that begs the obvious follow-up question: Hurt him among whom? The conventional wisdom answer to that question is that white mainly Southern Protestant evangelicals and fundamentalists have the biggest hangup toward Mormons/-ism. If they do, it didn’t show up at the ballot box, because that group of people voted for Romney at the same percentage that they did for Bush in 2004, which at the time was the high water mark for white Protestants/evangelicals voting for a Republican for President.

      As for the rest of your point, one thing that everyone has to realize is that incumbent politicians are very hard to beat. This country’s electorate, especially the crucial swing demographics in swing areas, just did not have the stomach to take the Presidency away from the first black President and give it to the unremarkable cookie cutter generic personality that calls himself Willard Mitt Romney. That was a chronic problem I saw through 2011 and 2012, as I saw the Republicans who were running for President declare and start running — I thought to myself, do any of these people have the stones to ask the voting public to take the Presidency away from the first black one and give it to him or her? As good as some of them might have been or seemed in the primaries, it would have been a whole different ballgame staring Barack Obama in the face later in the year.

      Since 1900, only four times has an incumbent President been defeated trying to seek re-election: William Howard Taft (1912), Herbert Hoover (1932), Jimmy Carter (1980), George H.W. Bush (1992). In all four instances, the man who would defeat him to take the presidency away from him would go on in his own right to win two or more terms, three of those four would have historically prominent presidencies. And in two of those four elections, the challenger may well have been helped by powerful third candidates hurting the incumbents, in the case of Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 and Ross Perot in 1992.

  • Neo-Copperhead here. I grew up in Colorado, but I’ve lived in too many places for me to sound completely like a “Yankee”: Edinburgh, Oxford and Sydney.

    • KonservativeKonfederateKarl

      Copperheads are needed, Michael. Especially, thinking “radicals” like yourself.
      I’m no hardcore Republican (I’m more of a Dixiecrat); I just see the GOP as the only viable alternative to a mega-disatrous Obama-Clinton regime.
      I’m concerned that too many good white folks will choose to stay home–or worse yet, vote Democratic out of spite–in coming elections, and I shudder to think what kind of country we might become. It’s a scary place already.