‘Ban the Box’ Bill Advances over Opposition from Businesses

Yvonne Wenger, Baltimore Sun, April 7, 2014

Supporters of a proposed law to help more ex-convicts land jobs in Baltimore scored a victory Monday when they fended off efforts by the business community to block the measure indefinitely.

The protracted debate over the so-called “Ban the Box” legislation–which would remove the box ex-offenders must check on job applications–underscores a sharp divide among city leaders over how to help those with criminal records become gainfully employed.

The business community had sought to replace the requirement with voluntary measures, including a pledge to hire a certain number of ex-offenders each year, said Councilman Nick J. Mosby, the lead sponsor of the legislation. And some City Council members warned against putting too many restrictions on the private sector.

But the council agreed to move the legislation to a final vote after amending it to exempt positions for which a criminal conviction would disqualify a job candidate. {snip}

The issue has had resonance in Baltimore, with its sizable population of residents with a criminal record and relatively high unemployment.

Council President Bernard C. “Jack” Young said city leaders have spent enough time talking about the problem, and need to take action. Young said he is especially concerned about the hardships faced by African-American men with criminal records.

“I am tired of people who look like me continuing to be discriminated against,” said Young, who is black. “They paid their dues by serving their time. When is enough enough?

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The measure would forbid an employer from searching a job candidate’s criminal history until after a conditional job offer has been extended. The legislation would expand upon a similar restriction that prevents city agencies from running background checks on candidates for some government jobs.

About 10 states and 60 municipalities across the country have enacted “Ban the Box” measures that apply to a mix of government employers and private businesses.

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Mosby worked behind the scenes on a possible compromise with the Greater Baltimore Committee, a group of prominent business and civic leaders who oppose the legislation, while fighting efforts to send the bill back to committee for further debate.

Mosby said he also talked with the business community about creating scholarships for juvenile offenders and funding job training for juveniles and adults with criminal histories.

But by Monday, he said, they couldn’t come to an agreement, and he decided to push the legislation forward.

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But Donald C. Fry, president of the Greater Baltimore Committee, said that the bill would add another burden on city businesses and that “Ban the Box” measures are not a proven course of action to addressing recidivism.

At a minimum, Fry said, the business group wants the council to remove from the bill proposed criminal sanctions companies would face if they violate the law and to allow employers to ask about past transgressions at a job interview rather than waiting until a conditional offer has been made.

“That is much too late in the process,” Fry said. “It takes time and money for any hiring process, and to have to start all over again and lose other quality candidates is detrimental.”

{snip}

Council members could still move to amend the bill or kill it at the next council meeting.

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  • Tom Mixx

    ‘Ban the Box’
    _________
    Blacks love these dumb little phrases. They think because they’ve got the power, just because they make an ordinance, business people are going to meekly comply. No business will let itself be hurt. Any businessman worth his salt is going to take whatever action he has to, to beat any such ordinance that will hurt him.

    • Luke N

      Good point. My solution: Don’t consider black workers. Just don’t hire them, unless you prove that they are decent.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        Even if they are decent, we shouldn’t be hiring them. Let’s hire our own fellow whites for a change and let blacks fend for themselves.

        • Luke N

          Sometimes it is hard to find whites…

          • Kenner

            Back in the day, if I wanted to be with a big crowd of whites, I’d go to a Diana Ross concert.

          • jane johnson

            Don’t forget the Jackson 5.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Put the word out, there are always desperate Whites looking for a job.

            Ask at your church, among your family members and close friends or relatives, just like the Mexicans do.

          • Tom Mixx

            Interesting you bring this up. I have been trying lately to give out Apprenticeship info for my Local Union’s (Ironworkers Local 361) upcoming Apprenticeship exam. People absolutely refuse to even consider it (obviously, I only talk to White people) for their sons, grandson’s, young guys in their neighborhood, etc. I thought people were finally coming to their senses about this college scam, but I am very wrong on that score. They are still very much into the idea of college for their children .

          • Dr. Möbias

            Unfortunate but true. Our White children shun work like electrical work or plumbing from which one can make a decent, if not very very good living. Had plumbing done in your home lately? The cost is astronomical for a few hours work. I had to have some, not all, of my house repiped with copper piping and it cost a fortune.

            Ditto for electricians. I called a chimney sweep a while ago ($250) and he said he had more work than he knew what to do with, mostly a cash business too. He was very young and rented himself out on weekends for weddings where he was also paid well.

            I also have a neighbor who does master carpentry and fine tile work. He drives a new Porsche, works in the best parts of town in the richest homes and also has more work offers than he can handle. Homes in this neighborhood go for approximately $700,000.

          • IBWHITE

            The local union offices (laborers, operators etc.) around my area (Illinois) are swamped with apps from young Whites needing work. Where are you located?

          • Tom Mixx

            I’m here at the Jersey Shore. Most people here have taught their sons that hands on work is beneath their dignity. That’s just the way it is. Glad to hear they’re not like that where you are.

    • APaige

      “Ban the Black” works.

    • dukem1

      Nowhere in this article is there any consideration of the crime involved…Hire some guy with a theft conviction – maybe they learned a lesson and won’t steal you blind…maybe….
      Hire a rapist or some other violent offender….they go off again at work, the business owner is gonna be on the hook by the victims lawyer….”Why did you put that person in our midst?!?!”

      Sounds like a new twist on the ghetto lottery.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        You’re gonna get double sued. First by the victim of the black thug you were forced to hire then by the black thug himself for some made up discrimination. He’ll find a pro bono lawyer, sue you out of business and get other blacks to boycott your business. The judge will rule in favor of the victim and the black thug. I see a whole world of hurt for anyone even thinking of opening a business in Baltimore.

        What a shame. Baltimore was once a beautiful White, segregated city.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Blacks didn’t come up with anything, they are hopelessly unintelligent and uninspired. They only have power because of non-white tribe behind them who give them this power over Whites

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      If the employer got any brains, he will simply ask for a work history on his employee and see if there is a gap and then ask them what they were doing for those 2 years when they weren’t employed somewhere.

      So either put down “worked in the prison laundry” or your interviewer is just going to assume that’s what you did when you weren’t employed anywhere else.

  • Luca

    Let them pick fruit, do gardening, clean homes and offices, work in meat processing plants, wash cars and do jobs that would reduce the incentive for illegal aliens to come here.

    Kill two birds with one stone.

    • I wouldn’t want most ex-cons in my home, office, or anywhere near my car. Would you?

      • Luca

        Depends, I certainly wouldn’t let them do it unattended. Do you think the illegals doing such work now are properly vetted? I clean my own home, but I observe them every minute when I take my car to the car wash.

        • I don’t hire illegals either.

        • Strider73

          I wash my own car (and the wife’s).

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      They’d still find a way to sue you and your business for discrimination and find some pro bono lawyer from a free legal service that caters to blacks to file and argue the case, which you will lose.

  • smedley

    Next on the agenda: The Michael Jackson Day Care center.

    • sbuffalonative

      I was walking down the street one day as the kids were getting off the school bus.

      The bus monitor got off. He was dressed like the leather guy from the Village People.

      No joke.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Some kinds of discrimination are perfectly legit and justified and this is one of them. No business should be left in the dark when it comes to the moral character of who they might employ and knowing if an applicant has a felony conviction is one very good way to weed out problems before you hire them. Employee theft is a big problem for businesses and it costs all of us money when we go to buy things.

  • “Ban the box” isn’t about banning the box. It’s all a run up to affirmative action for ex-felons and eventually hiring quotas. It is inevitable. Note this phrase:

    The business community had sought to replace the requirement with voluntary measures, including a pledge to hire a certain number of ex-offenders each year

    So the compromise advanced by the business community entails cutting to the chase and getting straight to the end game of this whole effort.

    • Xerxes22

      I’ve heard that companies already get tax breaks from the federal government for hiring ex-felons. I don’t know if this is true or not. If so, then there already is an AA program in place to hire Black ex-cons over law abiding people.

      • Dr. Möbias

        I own a business. Do I take the phony tax break from the government? Or allow a violent criminal into my business?

  • Truthseeker

    So the whole reasoning behind this is that blacks have a harder time getting jobs due to higher frequencies of criminal history? Gee, you’d think a better solution might be for blacks to stop committing so much crime, because then this wouldn’t even be an issue.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      Blacks can’t help themselves. They’re genetically programmed to act like savages.

    • bilderbuster

      You want to make Black folks stop committing so much crime?
      Oh I see!
      You wants Black folks to stop committing crimes so Whites can do all the stealings.
      You a rasses!

    • Dr. Möbias

      Won’t happen. Criminality is embedded in black DNA.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      The stupidity of this is that measures like these actually hurt blacks.

      Because blacks are more often convicted of crimes, that means you run a higher risk of getting a criminal if you go with a black over a white.
      Meaning employers will go with the odds and hire the white guy instead.

      If instead you make it so that employers can easily check for criminal background, grades etc, that means they’d be more willing to hire a black if they see that the person in question doesn’t have a criminal record and has a history of being a good worker.
      The less information an employer gets, the more inclined he will be to go with the odds.
      If you have to take a chance on an unknown potential employee, they will of course go with the one that has the highest chance of being a win for them.

      Same thing with affirmative action college graduates.
      That means all blacks, even those that worked just as hard as any white for their diploma will be suspect of not being as skilled a white with the same diploma.

  • Kenner

    ‘Scholarships for juvenile offenders’? So if an aspiring rapper shoots up a 7-11, he goes directly to college?

    • dukem1

      yeah…I saw that…wonder if there’s any chance any of the “big men” in Baltimore civic life have ever considered scholarships for juvenile achievers?
      kids who keep their nose clean and do their homework.
      fat chance.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Better that the money for tuition go to black thugs with 70 IQs than a white kid whose ancestors might have owned slaves.

  • Doomispixulated

    Yah, because who really needs to know if they are hiring a convict? Equality is juxtaposed to freedom.

  • Kenner

    Affirmative action kills. At ‘Black Racism and Race Hatred’, the blogger has the stories of 112 employers or co-workers who were murdered by black hires [I almost called them ‘workers’] who felt slighted.
    With ‘Ban the Box’, everyone at work will need to carry.

  • Urbane Neanderthal

    Well we certainly do need to do something for the 1 or 2% of blacks with criminal records that wish to give up their criminal ways.

    Maybe we could send them to Mexico, give them fake ID’s and set them up with a lawn mowing business?

  • sbuffalonative

    ‘I see on your application that you haven’t held a job in 12 years. Can you tell me about this work gap?’

  • Erika525

    This will get interesting when a customer sues a business for hiring a convicted felon. All too easy to imagine–a store clerk steals a customer’s credit card and the employer is sued for negligence (who else could you sue?). In some instances this requirement will be avoided by insisting that an employee speak a second language such as Spanish or perform odious duties. Blacks think that white employers have no options other than to commit financial suicide.

    • phorning

      Or another employee gets assaulted by a worker with a violent felony on his record and sues the employer for creating an unsafe work environment. You can be certain the Baltimore City Council will offer that employer no support.

      • Erika525

        I can also imagine the fired violent felon suing his employer for failing to make a “reasonable accommodation” since, after all, the employer was aware of the felon’s “disability.” The net result will, of course, transform Baltimore into an urban Indian reservation and, perhaps, this is the ultimate aim.

    • sbuffalonative

      Yes, who will be liable if the felon doesn’t change his stripes and someone gets hurt?

  • Brian

    “I am tired of people who look like me continuing to be discriminated against,” said Young, who is black.
    ===
    I am tired of people who look like him engaging in thuggery.

    • Who Me?

      I am tired of people who look like him. Period.

      • gemjunior

        Best answer ever. Period.

  • MBlanc46

    Go ahead, Baltimore, drive even more businesses out of the city. That will really be a boon.

    • jane johnson

      It’ll be a bunch of ‘boons

      • MBlanc46

        That’s the problem, all right.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    “They paid their dues by serving their time. When is enough enough?

    Uh, they didn’t “pay their dues by serving their time.” They were an additional burden on society while they were incarcerated. One “pays their dues” by performing public service and volunteering at soup kitchens, not by living off the public dole.

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    Baltimore looks like a great place to open a business…NOT.

    You’ll get your ass sued off by the first customer assaulted by one of these thug jail birds you were forced to hire – that is if you’re still in business a few months later after the thug has robbed your business blind from the inside out and sued you for discrimination.

    Business will take note of the threshold for the box mandate to kick in and try to stay under it, they’ll close up or hire ONLY family members, and who could blame them? I don’t want a violent criminal in my business, do you?

  • They sure like the box marked, “Black/African American” on college applications, job applications, etc. Let’s just get rid of all boxes!

  • JackKrak

    Don’t worry, the way things are going there won’t be any such thing as “employers” in Baltimore soon enough.

    Except the gubmit, naturally.

  • TaxpayerX

    How long before robots can do the work of low skilled workers? Then there will be a tax on robots to support the parasite class.

  • Romulus

    What a wonderful idea! (sarc) Yes,let’s hire criminal thieves,rapists and murderers unbeknownst by the public through the totalitarian law.
    Let the escapades begin!

  • Dr. Möbias

    The problem is solved by the Second Amendment.

  • Looks like Baltimore is another city that will meet Detroit’s destiny. The problem is – black business owners will not hire blacks with criminal records. It will be whites, afraid of being called racists, hiring these felons.

  • PouponMarks

    So it’s YOUR money, YOUR work, YOUR business, and you don’t have any say in how to run it. That’s what Hitler and Mussolini said. You can own it, but I get to tell you how to run it.

    • Dale McNamee

      You wrote: ” You can own it, but I get to tell you how to run it.”

      The exact definition of fascism… The illusion of private ownership, while the government is the real “owner”…

  • Dale McNamee

    Baltimore…a moronic city,occupied by morons, in a moronic state, also occupied by morons…

  • OK, so lots of businesses will simply leave Baltimore for the suburbs. Since Mosby is black, he’s just too stupid to understand this in advance.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Ex-cons used to do the jobs illegal aliens currently do. If we simply deported illegals, the pool of labor would be small enough again that those employers would be willing to overlook prior convictions, just as they did in the past.

    Deportation of illegals would solve so many problems in America, it’s just astounding that we’re not doing it. It would even make black people’s lives better.

  • Truth Teller

    I stopped posting and donating because of Englemann’s anti goy posts but I just have to make a comment on this article.

    A friend is a meat market manager for Von’s a large supermarket chain. Von’s is part of the Safeway chain of supermarkets and going up the chain is owned by Household Finance.

    Several years ago, the black robed spawn of satan aka federal judges ordered the state of california to release thousands of black and hispanic criminals. The state AG’s office fought it as long as possible, but eventually lost all appeals.

    My friend noticed about 5 years ago that virtually all new hires were black and hispanic men recently released from prison according to the satanic judicial diktat. The state made a deal with Von’s to hire all the recently released black and hispanic criminals.

    Of course, von’s stopped hiring White Americans about 30 years ago and now the last White Americans have retired.

    My friend says the break room is like the recreation rooms in prison. The felons on parolees push, shove, glare and verbally confront others, They are not exactly
    trying to start fights, just establish wild dog pack dominance

    They refuse to follow orders. They call in sick 10 minutes before their shift begins on the busiest days, fridays and the days before the holidays. As workers they are worthless.

    Nowdays the meat cutters don’t have to keep an eye on the case to see what needs to be restocked. Every purchase goes trough the cash registers and shows up on the meat dept computer. All they have to do is check the computer every half hour and they can see exactly what needs to be restocked and what has not sold.

    A big part of the profit comes from not having meat marked down to 50 and 75 percent off.
    But the hispanic and OFE felons can’t even bestir themselves to check the computer.

    They also harass women customers and are rude, offensive and confrontational to customers and employees.

    My friend is only 52 and will have to put up with this for the next 13 to 15 years. His blood pressure is getting out of hand because of this.

    Those of us who have had to work with blacks know what my friend is going through.

    In some ways, this is White man’s revenge. Von’s, like every other big business in California decided the quota system and equal representation meant No Whites Need Apply. Now the Whites hired before 1975 have all retired Von’s and most California food markets have 100 percent non White workers.

    The organic liberal “Buy Our Food And Save The World” chains like whole paycheck, do have White workers. They get minimum wage, part time work. Most seem to be White
    men recently graduated from college who are totally brainwashed, brain dead anti White liberals.

    The capitalists and employers benefitted greatly from affirmative action. Banks and supermarkets in California are like government agencies, No Whites Need Apply.

    never forget that it was Ford, GM, Sears Roebuck, Standard Oil, Heinz and other huge corporations that funded the affirmative action lawsuits and used equal representation and the quota system to get rid of White employees. Even STEM White Men have been discarded in favor of indians and chinese with dubious credentials and bogus experience.

    So let the businesses suffer. Had they helped fight the tribe and the feds there might still be a merit hiring system.

    Now the big and small businesses have benefitted from the No Whites Need Apply policy, let them get exactly what they deserve by being forced to hire black felons straight from prison.

    Supposedly the anti White colleges are giving affirmative action points to applicants who have juvenile records.

    My friend who works for Von’s says the black and hispanic felons are starting to target women customers for gang rape by having their friends hang around the stores and follow the women home. That is a standard practice