Sailors Leaving Navy over Stress on Social Issues, Top Gun Instructor Says

Rowan Scarborough, Washington Times, March 25, 2014

A Navy F-18 fighter pilot and former Top Gun instructor is publicly warning admirals that retention is beginning to suffer from the military’s relentless social conditioning programs.

Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, until recently a Pentagon speech writer for the chief of naval operations, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, said sailors are becoming fed-up with the constant emphasis on social issues–an apparent reference to gays in the military, women in combat and ending sexual harassment.

“Sailors continue to cite the over-focus on social issues by senior leadership, above and beyond discussions on war fighting–a fact that demoralizes junior and mid-grade officers alike,” Cmdr. Snodgrass wrote this month on the U.S. Naval Institute website, an independent forum for active and retired sailors and Marines.

It is a remarkably frank assessment from an upwardly mobile fighter pilot who is due to become the executive officer of a F-18 unit in Japan.

He says one troubling sign already has emerged: a drop in applications to the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis last year.

“The U.S. Navy has a looming officer retention problem,” Cmdr. Snodgrass writes, adding there is an “erosion of trust in senior leadership.”

He says retention racked up its “worst year in history” for the special warfare community, including Navy SEALs, with a record number of lieutenants declining to stay.


He also tackles a touchier issue, what some sailors have referred to as “political correctness,” such as the banning of uniform patches that might offend someone.

Cmdr. Snodgrass writes of “a recent shift within the Navy to eradicate behavior that is, by its every nature, ineradicable.”

“Put simply, there is no dollar amount that can be spent, or amount of training that can be conducted, that will completely eradicate complex issues such as suicide, sexual assault, or commanding officer reliefs for cause–yet we continue to expend immense resources in this pursuit,” he says. “Sailors are bombarded with annual online training, general military training, and safety stand-downs–all in an effort to combat problems that will never be defeated.”



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  • D.B. Cooper

    Remember Admiral Gary Roughead? He is the yes man who said “Racial Diversity, a ‘Personnel Priority’ at Naval Academy, Will Apply to Entire Navy”.
    He sold out his integrity for that 4th star.

    • model1911

      Traitor fits, D.B.

    • You beat me to it! Roughhead was the dim-wit that immediately came to mind as I read the article. This creature needs to change his name to one that begins with the letter “S”.

    • Strider73

      All generals & admirals are politicians first. They owe their positions to the president. They would eat a pound of manure for dessert every day if he ordered them to. Democrat or Republican, it makes no difference.

      Many people have compared Obama’s ongoing political purge of senior officers to Stalin’s purge of the Soviet military before World War II. There is one crucial difference — Stalin had his targets executed so the would not rise up against him later. Obama has (so far) not gone that far. That could well be his undoing.

      • dukem1

        Upon a bit of reflection, it seems to me that the PC indoctrination of our uniformed services would, over time, de-sensitize them to orders to eliminate their fellow citizens that do not think in an approved manner.
        This is serious business..It could be stopped dead in its tracks with a CinC that had a warrior mentality…But, good luck with that one, I guess.

        • Please STOP using the term “warrior”. I am completely sick of hearing that garbage for the rest of what may well be my life.

          We were “soldiers”.

          • Geo1metric

            and “young”.

          • Garrett Brown


    • dd121

      Please note, Obama has purged the military of dozens of high ranking officers. There’s nothing like it in the history of the military. I’m sure he’s trying to replace them with officers who are towing the Marxist line.

      • Epiminondas

        They don’t care what line they “tow”. These officers exist for the sake of promotion, and Obama is boiling the officer corps down to those who want a military career above nation, above race, above honor. We’ll soon see a military that is programmed for one thing only…political correctness. But will it be able to protect us?

        • But what becomes of those purged? That’s the important question. If he isn’t having them shot, as Stalin did, what’s to stop them from organizing against him in future?

        • dd121

          The real question, to me, is will he try to use the new army to destroy the historic American people.

  • Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, until recently a Pentagon speech writer for the
    chief of naval operations, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, said sailors are
    becoming fed-up with the constant emphasis on social issues–an apparent
    reference to gays in the military, women in combat and ending sexual

    On that, why do I never hear Democrat consultants, donors, strategists and whiz kids telling the party and its left wing to drop the social issues?

    • DaveMed

      For the Left, social issues are a strong tactical advantage, as they use them to divide and conquer.

      Watching MSNBC and reading the NYT, you’d think Black men and White women have the same interests at stake. A preposterous idea, but one they’ve managed to sell quite effectively.

      • jambi19

        It explains why to the leftist everything is to be politicized. Simply saying the pledge of allegiance, prayer in public, what foods we eat. Everything is a “crisis” an “injustice”. God forbid you call out crime in “urban skewls” and identify 99% of the perpetrators. It makes me want to bash my head in.

        • Geo1metric

          You need to “re-direct” your anger. 🙂

  • DaveMed

    This is what liberalism does.

    People actually believe that by tilting at the windmills of “sexism”, “racism”, and “homophobia”, they will actually make the world a nicer and gentler place.

    Who needs a strong military? Let’s just send thousands of therapists to third-world countries so we can better explore the injustices endured by the “underprivileged.”

    • JSS

      I actually would support letting gays and Woman have their own combat arms battalions. If they really believed what they preached then they would jump for the chance to show the world that they were just as tough if not tougher then the guys in the male units. Of course the point isn’t actually to make a more effective military but to destroy any nest of White male conservatism that may exist in the country. But personally I support the efforts to destroy the military. The more White males that are pushed aside to make room for diversity the better for us. Once the infantry has been feminized the better for us. Once the best and brightest of our White males no longer have any interest in and are not welcome in the special forces branches the better. Forming our own nation will be made easier when the federal governments muscle is mostly made up of diversity.

      • Anon

        Our white fighting men need to be made to understand that their place is no overseas involved in dubious conflicts for the interests of one sick, evil, non-white group vs another but at home, taking care of their families. If they want to tote a rifle, they should do it as part of a white citizens militia….as our constitution obviously intends.

        • Erasmus

          I come from a family with a tradition of service in the military going back for generations. But, I sure as hell want no son or daughter of mine, no grandson, granddaughter, niece, nephew or others I love throwing their lives away working for our corrupt government in DC, which now uses our servicemen and women as cannon fodder as they allow invaders to illegally enter the country to displace our servicemen, their children and their grandchildren. (And the illegals are displacing US citizens even if our “leaders” in Washington don’t call it displacement.)

          To see McCain, Graham, Obama and the rest wet their pants over Russia’s annexation of the Ukraine, even as they effectively encourage violation of our borders with their talk of amnesty and refusal to uphold the law, sickens me to no end.

          When our country is being invaded, our troops shouldn’t be off in Iraq, Afghanistan or Korea, they should be on our southern border with orders to use deadly force on anyone who tries to sneak into the country.

      • bluffcreek1967

        I served in the military and am a retired cop. I’m not the type to think in this manner, but I’ve seen and heard too much. I now would never encourage any white American to join the U.S. military under the command of Obama (or even under the command of Bush).

        I will not defend this administration nor any administration (including a Republican one) that constantly interferes and entangles itself in foreign wars, sending our young boys and men to die ‘liberating’ third-world savages (muslims) and ‘nation building.’ I also would never want to subject our young men to the Left’s social experimenting of the military as is currently going on.

        I now long for a great secession between the red and blue states – even more so, a white nation carved from the existing states where liberalism won’t become the prevailing political and social ideology and where whites won’t be despised nor expected to coddle the blacks or third-worlders.

        I have no faith that America’s existing condition can be reformed. This will also not be solved by voting nor even the presidency of a conservative Tea Party type.

        A new nation must be formed. How and when this will take place is anyone’s guess. Interesting days ahead.

        • connorhus

          So true. I served my time in the Army and even by the 1990’s when I got out I was happy to do so because the multi-cult BS was so bad then. Although how any White/Constitution minded man could jump from the military frying pan into the flames of Law enforcement to become just another thug enforcing the Feminization of America is beyond me.

          Secession will happen. It has to for our very survival once the money starts to run out and the debt begins really being felt.

          • I hear what you’re saying, but when I first became a police officer things were quite different (although liberalism was slowly creeping in among our ranks). I could do my job and the criminal justice system generally supported me. This is no longer the case in my opinion.

            Throughout my entire career as a law enforcement officer I never violated violated the rights of others, never physically abused anyone, and treated everyone with fairness and dignity (even criminals).

            In spite of what you may have heard, there are still many good police officers and deputy sheriffs who follow their oath and have no desire to be ‘officious,’ disrespectful, not deprive our citizens of their constitutional rights.

            Incidentally, I’m not a “thug” who is “enforcing the feminization of America.” I was an honorable officer working in an honorable profession. Moreover, the feminization of America is in every place and at every level and in every profession. So, unless one wants to be a hermit and escape from society, it’s pretty hard not to encounter it regardless of what profession one does. I never agreed with it, never endorsed it, and certainly didn’t promote it in any manner – and that’s exactly why I never promoted any farther than a street cop (which was fine by me anyways).

          • connorhus

            I can’t say I agree with your personal perception there BC. There are many professions one can take to lessen the amount of support they give to the Progressive/multi-cult/Femiinazi take over of America and simply limiting yourself to a “Beatcop” is not making much of a sacrifice for the cause I’m afraid.

            I personally have several degrees along with teaching certificates and I will be damned if I would go into the education field even if I just said it was as a lowly teacher. Why I wouldn’t even take a job at a school as a janitor because any little thing you do for this system is promoting it. Not to mention agreeing to take a pension who’s bill is written on the backs of our young White children that have yet to be born.

            Did you ever respond to a domestic violence call and take the man in “Because it was mandatory that someone had to be arrested”? Form a line to protect “protestors or pro-abortion activists”? The list is endless really.

            There are by far many professions one could take that do not support the current multi-cult even a fraction of the amount being a cop do or did.

          • Obviously, we’re not going to agree on this. As I already pointed out, I became a cop at a time when things were much less politically-correct. Like most people, I didn’t become a police officer as a “sacrifice for the cause” anymore than a bus driver, carpenter, electrician, janitor, school teacher takes their job as a “sacrifice” for the white cause. I did it because I enjoyed the profession and because it provided an honest living.

            If you expect me to feel ashamed because of my career choice or because of my pension, I don’t and I will never feel guilt over it.

            And yes, I take a pension. However, it’s not one who’s bill is “written on backs of our young white children.” It’s paid by myself and other police officers who have for years payed into the retirement system. In my case, I have payed the entire contribution required. I have robbed no one nor have I ‘gotten rich’ on the backs of others.

            No, I never arrested anyone unjustly. If there was probable cause for an arrest, for stopping, detaining or arresting someone, I did so. It is up to the courts to decide if that person was truly in violation of the law. I can’t speak for any other agencies, but the ones I worked for did not encourage frivolous arrests or detentions that weren’t justifiable and based on real evidence.

            Yes, there might indeed be professions other than a soldier or an officer that are less supportive of the Leftist ‘system.’ But those weren’t for me (and many others who have similar abilities and disposition). As Clint Eastwood once said, “A man has got to know his limitations” – and I know mine.

            It might sound good in theory for whites to abandon every vestige of institutions supporting (however small) political correctness and multiculturalism, but then there would be no one to influence, redirect, and perhaps even prevent all that the Leftists wish to do. By your same line of reasoning, should an honest and honorable politician abandon his elected position in government because the ‘system’ is so corrupt and anti-white? Hardly! We need good people in every sphere of influence.

            We hardly do our cause any good by escaping from society and positions of influence.

          • connorhus

            I don’t expect anyone to feel ashamed I only expect that now that things are coming to the finale everyone will stop lying to themselves and be ready to join the team 100%. It doesn’t matter what choices had to be made or story anyone told themselves to justify their actions as long as they come into the fold and join us in the trenches.

            As far as I am concerned we are very close to the time when “Just doing my job” statements and half truths will no longer cut it as a defense.

            I am not saying you are one of the “doing my job” people either. Just using this thread/topic to make a point is all.

          • In your professional opinion, what would the average policeman do if ordered to confiscate guns from Americans, or round Americans up for the cattle cars, or shoot them for violating police state-style curfews, etc.? I realize there might be a substantial difference between sheriffs and city police forces.

          • I don’t think many cops would do that. It would be very easy to use the 9-11 number to call police into prepared ambushes, so they would have to stop answering emergency calls. Once they stopped that, they wouldn’t be police anymore, and they’d find themselves in a 3000 mile-wide version of Northern Ireland, with a much more heavily-armed, totally fanatical opposition.

            Doubtless this has occurred to them as well.

          • NM156

            I have a friend who actually quit a suburban Chicago (Evanston) PD because the PC lunacy directly interfered with the apprehension of criminals, i.e. black criminals. Once the (largely white) Chicago Fire Dept. hired him, he resigned.

          • LHathaway

            The only thing I remember about my service in the army, in the 1980’s, was every woman within 20 miles of the post seemed to be sleeping with a black guy. Like major employers, it seemed to be ‘no whites need apply’. I was stationed at Ft Hood Texas, so what right do I have to complain being in the Hood and all? But I’d been elsewhere in the military for a time or two.
            It’s just icing on the ‘social concerns’ cake, that even to this day, it is all about what more can we do to expose the poor conditions blacks and women are exposed to and to improve conditions for them.

        • JSS

          I was a paratrooper for 8 years and deployed for 2 year long tours, one in Iraq one in Afghanistan. Sometimes it painse me to see what’s becoming of our military sense I do have a soft spot for the combat arms. But the more useless our military becomes the safer we Whites and the world will be. I agree with you 150 percent that we need a new White nation and this system needs to collapse already. It’s beyond and isn’t worth saving. A neutered military will make that objective easier for us. I wouldn’t recommend any racially aware enlist these days either. Defending this federal government is treason to the White race. And the training these days is becoming more and more of joke anyway. So there’s really nothing their for a racially aware White male.

          • DaveMed

            See my question directed toward bluffcreek1967 above. I’d like to hear your thoughts.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Study Russian and enlist over there?

        • DaveMed

          What are your thoughts concerning the tactical disadvantage this would put Whites at (in the sense that we would have fewer people being trained for combat)?

          • JSS

            Training in small groups for proficiency at team and squad level tactics can be done very cheaply and easily. Luckily those would be the most in demand skills on our side in a secession/break up scenario.

        • “I now long for a great secession between the red and blue states”

          I hear that, brother! Every day, this seems even more like the best scenario. I pray every night that it happens and happens soon.

        • dd121

          I want to continue to see Southern white boys join the army just so Obama can’t turn the army into his own personal force of brown shirts aimed at American citizens.

          • jeffaral

            Brave Southern white boys and girls like Lynnndie England who had a lot of fun torturing and raping defenseless prisoners.

      • Who Me?

        Diversity may not make a very organized or effective fighting force, but diversity will also have no scruples turning against and using weapons on the White citizens of the heartland of the Former United States, either. They also would never effectively guard our borders against neighboring hostiles.

        • JSS

          When we Whites are angry and focused the diversity won’t be able to stop us. They also won’t be able to be do much with their high tech gear that they are dependent upon. They simply won’t have enough high IQ browns around to analyze the intelligence, fly the drones and planes etc. On the ground White man vs feminist and thug they won’t have a chance against us.

          • Rhialto

            I hope you’re right, but FedGov is spending huge resources in developing robotic weapons. These weapons can be operated very effectively by Feminists and thugs.

          • JSS

            Believe me, operating and maintaining drones is not the same as using an iPod or play station. High tech weapons take above average intelligence people to maintain and use effectively. And at the end of the day you still need riflemen to hold ground and that isn’t changing anytime soon.

          • One doesn’t get to save the “game” or replay a drone mission when one moderates-up and kills the wrong people.

          • Strider73

            Thank you for confirming what I have said for years. High-tech weapons require intelligent, highly trained personnel to operate and maintain them. If they are not available (either because they left the service or were killed), the weapons either gather dust or fall into the hands of patriots.

          • Garrett Brown

            See South Africa’s Air Force.

          • Do mean the old one that kept Mirage-III and Mirage F-1 jets flying for decades, or the “New & Improved” one that keeps crashing expensive, new Swedish-built “Gripen” jets?

          • Grantland

            It’ll be white women and Jews analyzing he intelligence and flying the drones.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        The more diversity the better. Diversity will eventually bring America to its knees, making it much easier to resist and eventually overthrow the ruthless liberal dictatorship. As Hitler said on the eve of Operation Barbarossa: “We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”

        • Lt. Greyman, NVA

          Yet the German’s died in the snow in that terrible long retreat, never reaching Moscow. Small moves, Brother, small moves.

      • Lt. Greyman, NVA

        Exactly right Brother. Recruitment for “other services” is way up. We shall have our homeland.

        • Who Me?

          Hey, Lt, are you in the homeland yet? What’s keeping you?

      • frederickdixon

        Love your idea of separate units for gays. You probably know that this idea was tried in ancient Greece; the Sacred Band at Thebes consisted of homosexual couples, the theory being that a man would fight better if his lover were present. It seemed to work – the soldiers of the Sacred Band were held to be the only ones in all of Greece who could take on Spartiate troops on equal terms.

        • JSS

          Yeah I know the Sacred band pretty much ended Spartan battlefield dominance. I admit I could be totally mistaken but I have reservations about the whole band being uber gay. The same thing was often said about the Spartans but Xenophon denied this. Xenophon also said the band was gay, and Xenophon was very much pro Spartan. Homosexuality was often mocked in Ancient Greek plays and many philosophers disapproved of it to. So I would not be surprised if the gayness of the sacred band is massively over stated now days. Some historians, admittedly the minority think that claims about wide spread homosexuality amongst the Spartans, Thebans, and Athenians actually originated as slurs. This would not surprise me sense no Ancient Greek fighting force ever claimed to be all gay and the sources who claimed it for others were usually hostile or massively removed in time from the people they were claiming it about.

          • LHathaway

            Removed in time, yes. . . Distance, also, makes it easier to turn a story into anything of the story-teller’s liking. It’s not as if what we ‘know’ about the local and the present couldn’t be a complete fabrication but it is perhaps more amusing to listen when the subject is not only distant in time, but also distant or remote in location.

          • frederickdixon

            New and interesting points from you and from JSS, many thanks to both of you.

    • Sick of it

      I wouldn’t mind if most of our therapists, psychiatrists, etc. were sent to the Middle East to do just that. Mostly because I do not expect them to return.

    • That would be heaps better than allowing the therapists to stay here and breathe my air.

  • sbuffalonative

    There’s a phase, ‘the straw that broke the camel’s back’.

    We can’t keep going on like this. I don’t know what the straw will be but something is going to give.

    • Martel

      To make an estimation we can study how other multiethnic societies fell. The wealthy 21th century multicultural societies in the Western world are able to afford intrusive, innovative and highly appealing propaganda, government programs stimulating integration , the homeland security program and punitive measures for those who defy the status quo. This helps to slow down the decay, but it is not able to stop it, tensions fluctuate throughout this natural process, but the trend cannot be reversed.

  • D.B. Cooper

    If I were an enemy of the United States, like Vladimir, this would be great news. I would quietly build up my own military, and let the United States consume itself in a mess of diversity.

    • Vlad may be an enemy of the US, but he’s not my enemy. My enemy is the US government. Vlad’s philosophy of Russia for Russians appeals to me, but sadly I’m only a Russian in spirit, not by blood.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        The US government is the greatest enemy there is of the white race. Compared to these a**holes, everything else is just a sideshow. It is the patriotic duty of every white American to resist the authority of this tyrannical government, which no longer represents the interests of its founding population. As the great Thomas Jefferson once said: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

      • WR_the_realist

        Edward Snowden has also been declared an enemy by the U.S. government, because he foolishly thought this loyalty to the Bill of Rights should take precedence over anything else. So which country provided sanctuary to Edward Snowden? Russia.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        President Putin has not been an enemy of the US since the Cold War ended. But the US government has made itself an enemy of his.

    • WR_the_realist

      Putin is mainly pissed off about the U.S. getting in his face all the time. I can’t say I can blame him. It’s thanks to Putin that we are not currently fighting a war in Syria on the side of Sunni jihadists.

      • dd121

        The leftists in the government and msm hate Putin because because he doesn’t endorse their hard left PC agenda. There’s irony in the fact that the Russian leader isn’t communist enough for our leaders.

  • The Obamunnist social agenda is intended to weaken and ultimately destroy the military. Just as it’s intended to destroy the white middle-class Christian traditional family. White genocide is real. So is the genocide of the country founded by Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, et. al. Only the name will stay the same. Understand this and resist.

  • Luca

    The word I hear is that many of the career minded servicemen in all branches are getting fed-up with the sissification of the military and all the Liberal indoctrination. They are leaving and retiring in droves rather than watch their careers turn to mush.

    This is yet another nail in the coffin.

  • Anon

    Any real change involves replacement of the institutions of the rule of law with those loyal to their race. The vast majority of white people will follow whomever is the most stable, powerful and effective. It is, in essence, a competition. That those against us are failing, is a good thing. It’s going to take the loss of a major war….a war where we are clearly in the wrong, because of the very things discussed in this article, to cause our armed forces to disintegrate. Their disintegration, coupled with the defection of the legitimate portion of those fighting men, to our side, will be the first major step toward freedom for the white race. They must be forced to understand they are on the side of the bad guys and that has consequences. They are starting to understand the former but don’t really understand the latter…..yet.
    White nationalists will not take over this country. We will fill a power vacuum.

    • Lt. Greyman, NVA

      I agree, but our intent is not to “take Over”, but to carve out a Homeland.

      “La Raza” and MECHa do not intend to “take Over” but to squeeze out enough Squat monsters to carve out a chunk to Mexico called “Aztlan”. Blacks in “New Africa” (Capital: Jacksonville, Mississippi) does not intend to “take over” but to carve off a negro homeland. The Northern Caliphate (blessing be to Allah and Peace be upon him) in the Area of Flint, Mich; Detroit, Mich; Chicago, Ill does not want to “take Over”.

      All these groups (and More) are watching the dying body and when the time is right, will strike. The White Nationalists will have their homeland and secure a future for themselves and their White children.

      • We already have our homelands. We must take them back.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Mississippi’s capitol is “Jackson”, not Jacksonville.

  • Diversity Fatigue

    Our diversity not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

    ~ general George Casey, U.S. Army Chief of Staff, commenting on the Fort Hood massacre.

    We’re pretty much screwed with people like this in charge.

    • David Ashton

      Worse than defeat in conflict?

      • Diversity Fatigue

        Having soldiers murdered at the hands of an Islamic mad man is preferable to losing diversity. Diversity is more important than human lives. The lives of Whites, that is.

        • Max

          Exactly, this traitorous jackass is effectively saying that “The murder of all of these people is a BETTER scenario than an all-white US Army”. That is how outrageous this religion of diversity has become.

  • David Ashton

    Was any of this just an accident, or the fruit of the “wisdom” sown by Herbert Marcuse and his ilk some decades ago?

    • Diversity Fatigue

      As Jared has noted before, whites are particularly prone to altruistic thinking. There isn’t a single source that can be pointed to as being the single cause. A combination of factors are at work in this.

      • David Ashton

        Agreed: a combination, no one single cause.

      • Martel

        The World Council of Churches and many other religious organisations have been employed prior and after the second world war as communists fronts. The KGB and its successors were aware of the damaging effects of ‘political correctness” and stimulated this trend in many ways.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Not surprised that the WCC is a communist front. It is also connected to the Vatican. You might also consider the National Council of Churches. The United Methodist church, for instance, has been tied to communist front Peace and Justice Party in my city.

      • dcc2379

        Much of the cause for white altruism is Christianity, specifically Protestantism. Minorities, much more akin to tribal behavior, harbor no such values.

  • Pro_Whitey

    I guess the women and homosexuals in the military policies are working as intended (that’s right, I went there with the “H” word).

  • dd121

    My cousin’s son flies an f-18 in the Navy. Never heard him talk about this.

    • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

      Ask him, dd. He might give you an earful.
      Our family has a Navy Seal who retired after 23 years in. He and his other retiring mates knew BO was planning to downgrade.

      • dd121

        He’s getting married in the fall. I’ll see him then and ask.

  • A Freespeechzone

    Who the hell wants to serve in a military that is becoming nothing more than a social experiment?

    This is the organization that is charged with defending the United States of America–and they sanction gay pride events, punish anyone who is Christian and operate in such a PC manner that puts people and this country at risk.

    I am proud to be an Army Veteran—but, given today’s climate, as a Christian and Conservative, I would never stay around to be harassed and punished for my values by a perverted and sick PC organization.

    Maybe this is Obama’s idea of ‘his military’…..not mine.

    • Bobbala

      Answer: The same people that are willing to pull the trigger on a “subversive” US population.

      • A Freespeechzone

        We still outnumber them—and have more resolve. Bring it on….

        • Bobbala

          The military is leaving — selectively — and dying — again, selectively — and leaving the hardware and diversity behind in the hands of people that have been programmed to believe all their failures through all time have been because of either the presence or absence of white people.

          • Hardware they’re too stupid and lazy to maintain properly and couldn’t even reverse engineer if their lives depended on it. And do we even need to talk about what their discipline must be like? Observe any majority diversity school for the answer.

          • Bobbala

            They are not all negro.

          • When the diversity ratio reaches critical mass I doubt it matters much anymore. Someone has to keep order in the ranks. Someone has to fix broken weapons and oversee the manufacture of new ones. When the military’s average IQ begins to slide down into the 90’s, and then 80’s, the wheels are coming off.

  • Bobbala

    The fewer heterosexual white males there are, the better the diversity candidates look! It’s a win-win … unless you are an American.

  • Bossman

    Why would any real man want to join the navy these days? Since 2005 the U.S. Defense Department has rewritten the Uniform Code Of Military Justice to include “patronizing a prostitute” as a criminal offense for soldiers and sailors. Men of the past wanted to go out sea to do just that. Countless books have been written by sailors describing their sex adventures; now they can longer do that or if they do, they need to keep quiet about it.

    • Bobbala

      Army of One
      The Few, The Proud …
      Aim High …
      Screw women all over the world …
      Sorry son, the Navy is all full.

      • Who Me?

        Midshipman to Admiral: But sir, you’re just one year short of the top, why are you retiring now?

        Admiral’s reply: Son, when I joined being gay was forbidden, now it’s allowed, and I’m getting the hell out before it’s required!

  • JohnC

    The US military is not on our side, and we shouldn’t support it.

  • MekongDelta69

    “He says retention racked up its “worst year in history” for the special warfare community, including Navy SEALs, with a record number of lieutenants declining to stay.”

    We’ve known this for a long while, and it bothers us the most

    America has gone from glorifying the Marlboro Man to glorifying the Metrosexual Man to glorifying the Man to Man. It’s downright gross and disgusting.

    • Bobbala

      I would have said “diabolical”.

  • I think the point of all this pro gay, women in combat, antiChristian stuff is to discourage conservatives from joining or staying in the mil.

  • AEGIS can handle saturation attacks.

  • Tarczan

    I appreciate the thought that it makes no sense for any white male to join the military, but it must be considered that Obama and his followers are purging the military of patriots and installing his stooges. Kind of scary if you think it through.


    Lets not forget that we’re talking about a Nation,,, ehmmm,, scratch that, a country that criminally charges its Navy Seal’s if they dare punch a blood lusting terrorist in the face for trying to kill his brothers and fellow Americans. Do you think that might damper moral, just a little bit? However, I still say we need our people in the military. I would feel a hell of a lot better knowing that like minded men are in the military rather than those weak kneed quick to betray Liberal’s. Just in case things jump off here in the states. I want our people in control of our weapons, not Tyrone Johnson, Abdu Al-Alhaseem and Jorge Megueteenez.

  • Man of the West

    Sadly, not just the Navy. The Army Chief of Staff said, after the Fort Hood jihadist massacre, “As great a tragedy as this was, it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty too.” The gutless service leadership is more interested in pandering to homosexuals and integrating unqualified women into combat units than they are in defending this country.

    • SFLBIB

      I think he said it would be “a worse” tragedy.

  • WR_the_realist

    I still say we should just let gays, lesbians, and blacks fight the next war. The war won’t be for our country anyway, they never are. White men have better things to do than fight for a rogue government that hates them.

    • dcc2379

      Instead of Tomahawk missiles, we need high heels and social justice programs.

  • nignogger

    Just wait for military readiness when women and homos are allowed in the submarines; no matter how ugly the women are they will get sex and the homos will perform their filthy behavior in the open. Commanders will have their hands tied in the name of Fanfurter School worshippers and designers (of the tribe).

  • IstvanIN

    Another example of a government department that should only be spending money on its primary mission: defense. Period.

    As for various types of integration in the military, it isn’t practical. People living and working together in close quarters, frequently depending on each other for their very lives, should not have to worry about racial or sexual tensions. The military should not be a social experiment.

    Women should be in their own branches of the service, doing jobs that best suit their physical and emotional makeup. This means primarily support roles. They should not be housed with men and their immediate commanding officers should be women. They should not be promoted over men for the sake of diversity. I have read that the pregnancy rate in the Navy is pretty high. This wouldn’t happen with separate branches.

    As for gays, I feel don’t ask, don’t tell was about as fair as one could get and not break down morale. Once again you have the issue of sexual tension, it simply isn’t needed. I am sure many gay men have served honorably and even valiantly in the armed services, but not as openly gay. If you can not keep your private life private, don’t join. It is as simple as that. The military isn’t like a civilian job where you get to go home at night and come back in the morning.

    Even blacks and whites serving together is problematic. Blacks with their generally lower levels of self-discipline, lower levels of intelligence and very different culture from whites are no doubt more of a burden than an asset in an integrated military. They should probably have their own units as long as we have a multi-racial country.

    In civilian life people should be judged on their qualifications and job performance, I have had fine employees who were women, gay and even some blacks, but in my job we are not defending the nation, using expensive, very technical and dangerous equipment and not fighting for our lives. The military is different and should be allowed to employ discrimination for very practical, life saving reasons.

    I don’t look down on women, I don’t hate gays, and I don’t even hate blacks (they are what they are and it is our fellow whites who let them run amuck), but I recoginzie that we are all different and that sometimes, for expediency, you must generalize.

    PS: I believe in one set of standards for everyone in civilian life.

    • SFLBIB

      “…defense. Period.”

      A case can be made for diversity being necessary for defense. Remember, “diversity is our strength.” You see?

  • libertarian1234

    The US military has been deteriorating long before this report came out. Politically motivated AA has been in force for many years now wherein AA awardees were elevated to officer status based on PC and not qualifications, making the policy a very dangerous precedent to military readiness.

    And the news that homosexuals were putting on a homosexual themed play on a military base, wearing drag, was probably the coup de gras for dying military morale.

    Since China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia are not so foolish as to degrade their militaries in this manner… well as any other potential adversaries…we can be assured the USA is set to suffer it’s greatest defeat on the battlefield in the next conflict.

    I would urge all sane men to leave the military who are presently enlisted and would advise those who were thinking of a military career to take another option.

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    You wouldn’t believe how much they begged me for a day off so they can go do this.

  • Evette Coutier

    He failed to mention they don’t want to risk their lives at the command of a president who hates them, their country, and the freedoms and constitution the swore to protect.

  • That is a British-made “Abbot” self-propelled 105mm howitzer, but where did a pack of queers get one?

    • jambi19

      Where did they get one? This is likely their current mission task from the pentagon!

    • NM156

      We can guess that the Ministry of Defense lent it to some activist group, possibly under political duress, but also possibly at the behest of its own leftist diversity-addled nutjobs fully supported by the British government. The Islamicists in the EU must laugh hysterically when they see decadence like this. It’s a sign of great Western weakness that they will exploit.

  • NM156

    Aren’t aircraft carriers well out of range of those missiles?

  • bubo

    White guys served their purpose. We won WW2 and made the planet safe for global communism, feminsm and white genocide.

  • Garrett Brown

    Always be a man of integrity and stand up for your beliefs, no matter where it leads you.

  • I hope they gave those Italians some hot food – all of them.

  • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

    Do not waste time with the Military Channel. It is now called American Hero Channel and has changed the format from tiresome All Hitler All The Time to paranoia unlimited programs such as JFK, CIA and Mafia conspiracy theories, searching for big foot, and alien space ship sightings.
    Obama’s media control jackboot presses ever more firmly on our throats.

    • Discovery Channel similarly switched from “Myth Busters” to “Punkin Chunkin”. When Comcast recently called to suggest we bundle our telephone and high-speed internet service with TV, I delivered a completely unprintable tirade that would have made our old friend Spartacus blush.

      I am delighted that they have to call people to try to sell cable TV subscriptions, because this reinforces my belief that their product is garbage. We have high-speed internet at home and a household LAN for games together. We have a houseful of books. We have great movies on DVD. My wife has a good sewing machine. I have a machine shop in the basement and welding equipment in the garage. Who in their right mind has time for “Punkin Chunkin” or UFO conspiracy theories, let alone the stupidity necessary to actually PAY to watch that garbage?

      • Puggg

        Who needs to pay to listen to UFO conspiracy theories when you can get it on midnight radio for free?

      • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

        Have cable because I want to watch TCM. I cannot bear commercial TV because it features ridiculously disingenuous commercials that feature sweetly “normal,” intact black families with the men dressed in V neck pastel cashmere sweaters or interracial couples buying insurance. Even the Christian dating commercials push “matched” interracials.

      • Sashimi

        Increasing diversity may be the issue here. For example, Hispanics made up 25% of the movie-going audience for the awful Star Wars Prequels but they were only around 12% of the population at the time. With such a large number of morons in the population, Hollywood can get away with making such dreck. Hispanics require only shinny crisp CGI played in sequence, apparently.

        As the country is increasingly populated by a group possessing a sub 100 IQ, the quality of television and movies will decline. Hispanics, with their inferior cognitive abilities, are enraptured by ‘splosions and shinny objects. High IQ Europeans like ourselves would like intricate plots, developed characters, and beautiful musical scores. However, doing so takes time and talent (it’s also risky because diversity may not be interested in it). It’s faster and more profitable to put ‘splosions on the screen…and even easier as the minority population increases.

  • Max

    The military is now a major vehicle for the employment and protection of homosexuals, particularly feminists and guaranteed path to citizenship Mexicans and their numerous kin.


    1. Protect the interests of Israel and international bank cartel.
    2. Spend money promoting favored industries (see #1).
    3. Promote the dissolution of American culture through diversity hiring and promotion.
    4. Provide and indoctrinate manpower to maintain police-state.

  • Epiminondas

    Supercavitating torpedoes will become any navy’s nightmare. And it’s just a matter of time.

  • Epiminondas

    Supercavitating torpedoes will become the navy’s nightmare. And it’s just a matter of time.

  • M&S

    The SS-N-22 Sunburn is in fact a capable but largely obsolescent (size and maneuver potential as well as range) weapon which has been overtaken in Soviet use by the multipurpose 9M54 Klub hybrid weapon (turbine for the first half, rocket for terminals) and the Alpha/Brahmos (ramjet to Mach 5 all the way).
    All of these weapons are in the <300km range category and thus require 'cooperative targeting' (if you're in range, so is the USN).
    The boogeyman threat these days is the DF-21D which takes an obsolescent MRBM and fits a terminal homing MARV (Wu-14) to it with a range threshold on the order of 1,500nm.
    Such a weapons system is well beyond the 550nm offered by the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and even the speculative (current range performance is in fact reported at 584nm) of the F-35A/C JSF.
    Targeting remains an issue here and it will not be until you see systems like the JORN/ROTH-R radar that the Chinese will be able to hide their BASMs in the deep weeds while shooting out over the coastlines on CSGs just breaking into the littorals (from blue water where the six+ ship inner screen and halo of aircraft is a dead giveaway).
    Right now, the big question lies in the combinations of capabilities by which we believe we can continue fighting the good fight. Tomahawks are slow and lack target search capabilities while being excessively reliant on overhead and/or penetrating air (RQ-170/180) to gain useful in-flight aimpoint adjustment. Just as with Hitler's V-2s in WWII we found ZERO of the Al Hussein/Al Abbas TBMs used against Israel from a relatively tiny pair of SCUD Alley/Boulevard terrain strips (the Iraqis had built specialist underground garages near major roadways).
    However; as you noted, the typical SSN can get closer to most areas and with a range of 700-900nm, the UGM-109 can defeat most targets, for depth, if they can be found. Tactical Tomahawks (blk.IV and later) have been sufficiently cheapened in construction that they can reasonably be expended at about 800,000 dollars per shot which means a single F-35 buys you around 135 of the things. They also are a lot cheaper to send around the planet at penny's per ton:mile in a strike configured VLS than an F-35 is to operate at roughly 31,000 dollars per flight hour.
    With so many of our recent wars being, one way or another, about oil and it's dominant usage, the notion that every F-35 consumes the equivalent of 6 years of equivalent civilian automobile driving _per flight_ in training or war is absurd (a Tomahawk has nearly double the one-way trip range of an F-35A/C radius on roughly 500lbs of fuel compared to the steal jet's 18-19,000lbs). Yet it is the reality of a DOD which is, by far, the largest consumer of petroleum on the planet.
    However; an F-35, when properly outfitted, can strike up to 8 ground targets from a stealth configuration and a 24 in a non-stealthy one. This, along with it's onboard targeting and networking gear makes it inherently more flexible than cruise missiles as each GBU-53 costs roughly 263,000 dollars per shot or one third of a Tomahawk.
    This doesn't change the metrics of the DF-21D (10 million per missile) vs. the CSG (10 billion per battle group) however and particularly where the Tomahawk on an Arleigh Burke or Tico II is in direct competition with an SM-3IIb or SM-6 (mechanical interceptor dedicated to midcourse or terminal defense against guided ballistic weapons) the question becomes how much can you afford to dedicate to strike warfare as power project when even your small destroyers are roughly 1.2-1.5 billion each. The SM-3IIb will run about 3 million dollars per round when it enters service while the Chinese have recently developed 'shotgun' rounds which can survive the Mach 10 reentry heat to hit carriers with multiple mini-rods from god effects, as proven in recent tests in the Gobi desert.
    What will surely sink carrier air as a power projection mechanism is thus the very thing apt to save it: Solid State Lasers. These systems use electricity passed through 'slabs' of rare earth doped glass and synthetic monocrystallines to create useful coherent light. The slabs are stackable to up the power levels and the Northrop Grumman Firestrike Gamma version of this capability has recently shown peak loads in the 100KW level, sufficient for weaponization. 100KW will burn through a missile or airframe skin like a bad cigarette burn with both deformation, cratering and sluff. But it will only do so over a maximum range of about 5-7km (achieved by MTHEL on artillery, mortar and multiple launch rocket rounds with a 150KW output in a chemical fluorine laser).
    When these weapons reach 1MW and particularly when they can be used in accompaniment with fast loft (Sounding rockets with aerostate payloads) relay mirrors, you will see the ranges extend to 60-80km or more. And that, as they say, will be all she wrote on manned, subsonic, tacair until such time as 'deflector shields' take hold (never-maybe).
    The value of deep strike will still be there as a game changer to prevent massing and general logistics attrition tool, but it will almost entirely be undertaken by missiles fired from large surface or submarine 'rockets in a box' containerized platforms.
    In this, the real danger of manned airpower is that we really do need a recapitalization of our current forces because we have essentially let them rot on the vine to the point where the average age of an F-15 is over thirty years old and even the youngest, block.50 F-16s are on the order of 15-20.
    Paying 1.45 trillion for the lifetime of an F-35 whose out of service date is around 2060, when most reasonably skeptical scientists believe that the engineering for Megawatt Class SSLs is about 10-15 years out (2025-2030) is an obscenity of union rent seeking politics on the part of the military.
    Nor can this technology simply be buried or backburnered. Because it is all based on civilian telecomms (diode pumped fiber optics) which is so widely proliferated as to be virtually uncontainable.
    Other nations hate our guts but they -fear- our airpower. Lasers, along the hunting (cruise-AAM) weapons are the way to defeat U.S. overland power projection, even if Ballistic Anti Ship Weapons turn out to be a dead end.

    • Our best answer to any foreign threat would be deployment of Project Thor, but since our space program has turned into a hand-holding program for bed-wetting diversitards, my point is probably moot.

      • M&S

        Yes, helping the Arabs start a ‘space program’ when our number one SWA regional threat comes from the Iranians who need only point at Saudi East Winds and the Israeli Jerichos to question our bias in denying them the right to put a nuclear warhead atop their Al Shahab. That and 9/11 being a Saudi op…
        That said, if what was said by Michelle Bachman (PRC lasers dazzled our recce satellites) is true, the Chinese are already into HELs in a big way and so hanging a constellation of KEMs over head anyone may not be a practical solution.
        Not least because the Chinese, with their FIVE space centers, and booming commercial space market, can readily launch their own.
        I myself favor the TAV/FOBS option as something less than the present FALCON/HTV (Mach 8 instead of Mach 20) with a scramjet like that of the X-51. Same rods from god effect but you sling them like stones across a millpond (where the pond is a timezone away from any ‘terminal’ defenses) before letting them tilt over and fall down upon the threat in saturative numbers.
        We can get there from here, things like the Ansari X and Spaceship One/Two point the way towards light, composite, vehicles which have the payload fration to loft 10 KEMs at a time. The key is to getting there stagger your flight envelopes as systems inve$tment$ so that you spend the least amount of weight and systems cost in the parts of the envelope which constitute the lowest percentage of the mission evolution (for want of comparison, the F-35 JSF is a jet where perhaps 70% of the systems, structural and flight testing to date has been centered around validating different launch and landing modes whose sum contribution to mission time is about 2%).
        A simple turbine for instance can get you off a carrier deck and up to 40,000ft, even if it chugs at less than 1:1 thrust to weight.
        Once there, a pair of THAAD or ASAS class SRBs then take you through the SR-71 envelope without all the thermal issues that go with extended flight at Mach 3 and 80K.
        And then you drop in the scramjet at about Mach 5 and 100K feet and away you go. Mach 8 for a single hour buys you about 4,000nm of downrange reach which means you can fly from the ECS to the SCS and land on another carrier so far into the deep blue that it cannot be targeted by systems like the Jindalee OTH-B radar.
        Is it the perfect solution? No. But it keeps our huge economic investments in carriers viable for awhile longer even as it hostages deep Chinese fatory cities to things like the future of Taiwan and the Silk Route II/Pipelinestan oil and LNG transport networks.
        Technologically, in a world where the Chinese mirror us like the Soviets once did, the reality then is that a theater strategic instead of intercontinental strategic system can only do you good if you have a carrier force that you’re willing to sail halfway across the Pacific before you start air ops against the U.S. with your own TAV.
        Here, the PLAN have a long ways to go in basic seamanship and while there is no doubt that they are quick studies, the reality of a Warplan Orange conditioned fight is one which doesn’t do them any good so long as they have a huge deficit in absolute hull counts.
        Unfortunately, there are still about 4,000 ‘core force’ aviators whose union jobs depend on anachronistic warfighter conops tied to subsonic, sub-1,000nm platforms like the JSF. And they are not about to take “NO!” from anyone as minor as Congress. They will wheedle and worm their way into pockets like the best lobbyists out there and we will be stuck with a program which will require roughly 10-12 billion a year from the USN/USMC and 16 billion from the USAF for the next decade and a half.
        Which, in a time of sequestration, will be the death of the DOD as there will literally be _nothing_ left for things like readiness and spares. It will be the Hollow Force of the 1970s, all over again.

      • LHathaway

        We can just send Conde Rice over to Europe again to warn them, “Your missiles will have no effect on us”
        We’re going to put up the human shield. I’m still laughing about reading that one in the paper. I wish I had the excuse that I had been drinking a beer. . . That’s usually the way I tell the story. . . “It was So funny. . . I had drank a beer”.

  • After I got dinged-up in 1991, but before I went home, I got to spend some time on the Dalmatian coast. I still make a nice dish of mussels on pasta with peppery olive oil and garlic I remember from there. It sure beat hand-grenade fights inside concrete buildings.

    • Puggg

      The Dalmatian cost, as in Dalmatia, where that overrated breed of cur that rides on wagons and fire trucks and stars in movies was developed.

  • Bobbala

    They were properly ashamed and the nurses were female.

  • mrcan

    To build a strong team one has to know that people have your back. People don’t have to necessarily like each other all the time but in general people need to be on the same page. Whether in sports, business or the military. Thinking that you have to watch your words constantly or that your colleagues might rat you out must be extremely demoralizing. Guys need to be able to joke, let off steam, especially when they are charged with defending their country. They have to believe that what they are doing is right, not being browbeaten with political correctness plus the presumption of guilt. That kind of military would not defeat a cohesive Russian or Chinese army. Maybe that’s the POINT!!!!!

    • dcc2379

      Now that there isn’t don’t ask, don’t tell, believe me, the soldiers know someone will have their back.

      • mrcan

        I suppose more soldiers will be applying for advanced courses in fashion and cosmetology.

  • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

    And here they are, rockman. Heartless, soulless, dead eyed rapists. These animals are allowed in our [previously] revered Naval Academy?

  • LHathaway

    The US military, like a lot of employers, has a dire shortage of black US officers, too. It’s a problem for the US military overall, this shortage of black officers.

    Every employer and university in the nation Also aggressively recruiting blacks and demanding diversity has nothing to do with this shortage, however. Because I’ve never once read anything even remotely suggesting such a possibility. So, what was I thinking there for a moment? I must have been dead wrong.

  • LHathaway

    That poor pink bastard.

  • LHathaway

    “This is what eighteen months of combat did to me.” -Audie Murphy ”
    God, that sounds like it could be written today, but it would require a bit of soul-searching ‘This is what 18 months of sensitivity did to me’
    Lot of soul searching. . . Wonder of any guests of the next Jerry Springer show will be up to it?
    It is easier to face up to it as the distance from it grows farther.

  • Paleo

    I have a close friend who told me that the same thing has been happening in the Air Force, and just during his stint playing “coach,” over 300 pilots quit. He said the PC crap was so pervasive that they basically said, “to hell with this place,” and off they went to work the private sector. The scary part is not knowing how vulnerable we are when so many of the very best pilots keep leaving in droves.