Educated Black Men Remembered as ‘Whiter’

Medical Xpress, January 14, 2014

A new study out today in SAGE Open finds that instead of breaking stereotypes, intellectually successful Black individuals may be susceptible to being remembered as “Whiter” and therefore ‘exceptions to their race,’ perpetuating cultural beliefs about race and intelligence. This new study shows that a Black man who is associated with being educated is remembered as being lighter in skin tone than he actually is, a phenomenon the study authors refer to as “skin tone memory bias.”

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Researchers Avi Ben-Zeev, Tara Dennehy, Robin Goodrich, Branden Kolarik, and Mark Geisler conducted a two-part experiment with a total of 160 university students. In the first experiment, participants were briefly exposed to one of two words subliminally: “ignorant” or “educated,” followed immediately by a photograph of a Black man’s face. Later, participants were shown seven photos that depicted the same face–the original as well as three with darker skin tones and three with lighter skin tones. They were asked to determine which of these seven photographs was identical to the one that they had originally seen.

The researchers found that participants who were primed subliminally with the word “educated” demonstrated significantly more memory errors attached to lighter skin tones (identifying even the lightest photo as being identical to the original) than those primed subliminally with the word “ignorant.” {snip}

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  • Jesse James

    For non-racist these people sure spend a lot of time parsing the exact shades of peoples skin. We should help them out by bringing back the long forgotten terminology of such things: quadroon, octoroon, quintroon, mulatto etc. If we have to continue discussing this issue let’s at least strive for more accurate terminology.

    Do these endless variations of racial obsession remind anyone else of the old arguments about how many angels can fit on the head of pin?

    • Oil Can Harry

      The researchers may be onto something: the test subjects associate lighter skin with intelligence, knowing instinctively that mulattoes are on average smarter than full-blooded blacks.

      The 160 students in the study were realists, not “racists”.

    • Brian

      That reminds me, does anyone still use the term ‘griffe’? (3/4 blk, 1/4 wht)

      • Jesse James

        I had never heard that term personally though I did look it up and see that it is derived from Spanish.

  • bigone4u

    I was in a doctoral program with a black male. My memories of him match his picture on his university’s website today. He was dark then and dark now. All my memories of him are dark. Thus, I call bull on this “bias.” It seems to be another effort to legitmize the idea of subconscious discrimination in order to portray whites as evil, even if unintentionally so.

    • sbuffalonative

      How well did he actually perform in the real world? Did you black perception of him match his black performance? The implied subconscious bias may really be an observation of black Africans being less intelligent. The alleged bias may not be bias at all but a true statement of blacks.

      • bigone4u

        He got a shot at the big time but ended up in an historically black school.

    • Anna Tree

      Yes! Also maybe the research wants to confirm the leftist dogma that race is a social construct, that we project what we think, despite reality. But this is a fallacy as they don’t consider the facts that this is because of reality, not despite it. The research ends up confirming stereotype because from experience,
      people know that whiter blacks are smarter. Stereotype are often realist.
      What was the race of the 160 students, did blacks also have the same stereotype?

      Isn’t it the scientific method to have a control group?! They should have test also people like you, with pictures of specific black people they studied with to check if the “skin tone memory bias” exist in real and/or in long memory and not only in an experiment, notably testing short memory, allegedly. To check if the stereotype is realist or memory “bias”.

      Blaming whites with “white privilege” is not enough, whiter blacks may be next with a “whiter black privilege”. After all, they have whites in the family… Maybe that’s why they end up with better marks and jobs, relatively: they have a pro-rata white privilege…

    • Funruffian

      For people claiming to be Anti-racist, they sure have a great deal to say about skin color and race. They are obsessed with it. It reminds me of the old adage about someone being color-blind ( A person who doesn’t recognize racial differences). hypocrisy knows no boundaries when dealing with the whims of these post-modern liberal pseudo-scientists.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      This is so bizarre if you think about it. Science seeks the Truth, in the process proving or disproving this or that.

      This study seems intent on proving something from the get go, which sounds more like what lawyers do.

      “Hey, lets get together and use our bloated academic gravitas to prove racism lurks everywhere. I wonder if…”

      • NeanderthalDNA

        But the study does make sense.
        1. I like myself.
        2. I am White.
        3. I neither like nor think highly of Blacks in general (REALLY?!?!?! LOL)
        4. Therefore when I encounter competent Blacks, especially ones I get along well with…

        Isn’t it just natural that I would view them as being more like myself? How is this “racist”? Just seems like human nature.

        • Alexandra1973

          I don’t hate them, I’d just rather not deal with them. And then I think, but for the grace of God, there go I. I could’ve been born black.

  • Pro_Whitey

    Frederick Douglass’s father was white, or so I have heard. Maybe they were perceived as whiter because they were whiter.

    • George Clark

      Charles Chesnutt:

      He identified himself as a negro.

      • borogirl54

        Because of the one drop rule, he would have been considered black.

    • BonusGift

      It is a fact; and actually it is true across races. Lighter skin color across any race is associated, on average, with a higher IQ, more economic success, etc. It’s just fact, not a “social construct” or a “inherent bias”, it just is what it is, that is, on average. You can always find exceptions but as a general rule it is about as strong a relationship as race and IQ itself. Therefore, the easiest way to judge someone, especially a black, is by their skin color. And, BTW, black is not beautiful, it is associated with being stupid and ugly, especially in the eyes of one of Barry’s theoretical sons.

    • Bossman

      So was Booker. T. Washington. Most prominent Blacks of the past were mulattoes.
      Malcolm X mother was an almost white woman from the Caribbean. Martin Luther King had American Indian in his background.

      • Guest

        also Beethoven/Cleopatra who where supposedly black

        • Bossman

          Do you believe in this nonsense?

    • Guest

      He does look kinda like an mulatto

    • Brian

      A photograph makes it pretty obvious that he was mulatto. And if you look at a list of ‘top 100 black American achievers’…a lot of cream in that coffee.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        This comes as no surprise. The average American black is around 20% white.

        • Max

          That is as exciting as “Hey, I got 20% of the answers right on my exam!”

  • MekongDelta69

    A new study…

    That’s all I ever need to read before clicking on ‘Next article.’

    • sbuffalonative

      Honestly, this isn’t a ‘new study’ at all is it? You likely perceived well-behaved, educated black men as ‘one of the good ones’ or kind-of-white.

  • sbuffalonative

    This explains why liberals love to promote ‘successful’ blacks’; because subconsciously, they perceive them as ‘white’.

  • Another volley of anti-White drivel pedaled by the usual suspects.

  • Maybe they’re “remembered” as lighter because they actually are lighter.

    He got a perfect SAT score in 2013:

    • IstvanIN

      Still has a nose like a two-car garage and I wouldn’t want one of my nieces to marry him.

      • Romulus

        That’s dam funny.
        I agree, I would disown any female of my house for oil slicking.

      • I don’t think you have to worry about that.

        I think he’s going to be marrying your niece or any other woman.

    • pcmustgo

      No, BECAUSE THEY *ACT WHITER.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Curve blower. As stated below, don’t want him in my family, but might not mind being his neighbor. Much. Could be worse.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        To whoever gave me a thumbs down…
        In my perfect world I would not even know what a Negro is. If I could undergo some kind of electroshock or lobotomy to utterly erase that from my brain…
        But in the real world of course I’d just have to relearn decades of sometimes HARD learned lessons in regard to the children of accursed Ham.
        In this world if I have to live near them I’d prefer an Erkel to a Trayyyyyyvon.

    • Brian

      A rare ‘blerd’ photographed in the wild.

    • Max

      I’m sure he’ll make a fine civil-rights lawyer or Democratic political appointee someday.

  • David Ashton

    Look at the photos.

  • Spartacus

    “…perpetuating cultural beliefs about race and intelligence.”

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    • Homo_Occidentalis

      How strange that, despite their reputation for cleverness, Greece is yellow on this map.

      • Brian

        There have been migrations and invasions over the years. Demographics are not the same as the Classical Age, much less Mycenaean.

        • Truth Teller

          The modern Greeks are the same as the ancient ones. Stop with the propaganda.

        • Homo_Occidentalis

          Have you seen what a crowd of Greeks looks like? The average is still mediterranean white, despite the significant Anatolian admixture. The amount of mixing that took place over the centuries is overstated. I agree much with what truth teller says; the IQ of the elite is of more importance than the IQ of the general populace (to a certain extent). For every genius such as Pythagoras and Aristotle, there were a million illiterate farmers and slaves.

          • Brian

            I’ve been to Greece three times so yes, I know the demographics. I’m not saying there’s been massive population admixture, but it’s hard to maintain it exactly the same over 2,500 years, esp. during periods of foreign domination. As for the million illiterates, that was the norm for almost all of humanity and has little to do with the degree of intelligence in a pre-modern era. The population today is only 10-11 million, and it must have been lower then, although the Greek sphere of influence was much larger (Marseilles was founded as a Greek colony). Whatever the ratio of genius/peon, there was a time when no one could surpass their achievements…

      • Truth Teller

        It proves IQ is not always the same as intelligence. Also, for a country to accomplish a lot, it doesn’t need a high average IQ. A country could accomplish a lot more with an average IQ of 86 if 10% of the country had an IQ of 140 and the 90% had an IQ of 80 vs. the country with a 100 IQ where the bell curve is evenly distributed.

    • Truth Teller

      Do you think someone from a wealthy family as in multiple generations of wealth who has a high IQ and an educated family but lives in a country with a lower than average IQ should feel inferior to people from a country with a higher than average IQ just because of where they happened to be born? I don’t think so.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        Do you have any hard evidence of this, as in a peer-reviewed study? Regression to the mean is a universal phenomenon that applies to everyone, even those in elite families. How much someone regresses to the population mean with each passing generation depends on the narrow-sense heritability.

        • Truth Teller

          The reason it appears to be such is because the majority of the time, the intelligent child is not born to the elite and is thus a fluke in the family. If there was much regression to the mean in elite families, explain why they continue to dominate countries and their intelligence and education stays the same for generations?

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            But where is the hard evidence that regression to the mean does not apply to elite families? Where is the peer-reviewed psychometric evidence that Brahmins have an IQ of 115-120? Brahmins don’t appear to have been all that dominant or particularly elite when they were ruled by Muslims for hundreds of years. India doesn’t even appear to have a market-dominant minority either, at least not at the national level.

  • dd121

    So, they’re a little more civilized why wouldn’t you think they were more white?

  • Spartacus

    “Researchers Avi Ben-Zeev, Tara Dennehy, Robin Goodrich, Branden Kolarik, and Mark Geisler…”

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    • Romulus

      I’ve seen this moron on ancient aliens. Thanks for the laugh spartacus.

    • John Ulfsson

      Haven’t been on Amren for a few months, glad to see you’re still fighting the good fight, Spartacus.

  • JohnEngelman

    Stereotypes are usually over generalizations of what is really true. Even those who hate Jews do not claim that Jews are stupid.

    In Mein Kampf Adolf Hitler wrote, “Today the Jew is seen as clever. To an extent he has been so at all times.”

    • Talltrees

      Depends on how he meant the word clever. It can mean inventive and talented. It also can mean cagey, sly, slick, cunning or all of the above.

      ‘Shrewd’ is the word I heard most often used to describe Jews.

    • John Ulfsson

      The stereotype of Jews has never been that they’re dumb, Engleberg. Greedy, nepotistic, cunning, rat-like, destructive, envious and petty, sure, but not dumb.

      • JohnEngelman

        ” Greedy, nepotistic, cunning, rat-like, destructive, envious and petty,” are words antisemites use to rationalize their resentment over Jewish intelligence and prosperity.

        • John Ulfsson

          What part of ” Greedy, nepotistic, cunning, rat-like, destructive, envious and petty,” implies stupidity and poverty?

          More importantly, why are you still posting on this website?

          • JohnEngelman

            I like it here. Why are you still posting on this website?

        • Druid

          What’s wrong with those words? Pretty close to the truth, I think.

          As far as anti-semitism goes, Theodor Herzl, the founder of the modern Zionist movement said, “Where there is no anti-semitism, there are no Jews” – also, pretty accurate I think.

          • JohnEngelman

            Where there are Jews there are people who resent Jews because of their superior intelligence and prosperity.

    • Romulus

      No cake and coffee for you then on April 20th, eh?!

      Try not to be so obvious when your stumping for them John.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    The researchers’ findings are presumably intended to make whites feel guilty about associating educated blacks with whiteness. No group, however, is more guilty at associating educated blacks with whiteness than blacks.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Aside from the very dubious phenomenon this “study” is supposed to demonstrate, the methodology seems flawed at best. Why didn’t they just describe a man as being smart and highly educated while showing a picture of a black man, and then later show a number of pictures of men of various shades and ask the subjects to match the picture with the intelligent man described earlier? No, that would be too simple, but then, what they were trying to demonstrate was bogus anyway.

  • MBlanc46

    Intellectually successful black individuals? All right, I give up, who?

    • Homo_Occidentalis

      Dave Chappelle.

      • MBlanc46

        Who?

  • Juan Outtamany

    But… I know a good one

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    The only thing “perpetuating cultural beliefs about race and intelligence” are the vast behavioral differences between blacks and whites that are all too obvious, differences that the media reminds us of every day as they report on every imaginable racial disparity that they can come up with.

  • Hunter Morrow

    Goodrich, Geisler and Ben-Zeev gave us more diversity and “psychology.”

    Sometimes I think Freud was worse than Marx. Thanks, ” White” people!

  • Bossman

    Most prominent and educated black males of the past were in reality Mulattoes or sons of Mulattoes.

  • Herman

    The self-fulfulling prophecy:
    a) Look for a desired result
    b) Design a test or experiment that will achieve what you are hoping to find

  • dodger

    “160 university students.” They scream murder when we do it. Here they are doing it themselves.

    Are we really any different?

  • Alexandra1973

    Maybe I’m racist, but I for one have a hard time with the idea of some aborigine from the Australian outback teaching geometry, or someone from sub-Saharan Africa–black as can be–teaching English. Just doesn’t seem likely.

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    “intellectually successful Black individuals may be susceptible to being remembered as “Whiter””

    Whatever! Firstly we all know that they are jealous of how we look, because they associate our looks with superiority, and secondly a lighter skin is correlated with higher intelligence.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Reminds me of a music prof I had in college. Great guy, liked him lots, lots of respect. THAT one lives in my neighborhood? Meh…

    Like the convenience store near where I live. White owner, but very nice black employees I’ve gotten to know over the years. Fine people who I wish no ill whatsoever, quite the opposite.

    No problem with those guys. Still don’t want them at my family reunion, but so what?

    • IstvanIN

      White owned Quickie-Mart with black employees? Impossible!

      • When I was managing a chain of those things back in 2010, (what I wouldn’t give to be 33 years old again), I was managing them for their white owners, and of all the employees under my supervision, precisely one of them was black.

        So yeah, it’s possible.

    • A white owned quickie mart. Cherish it while you can, because it will soon be owned by Patels.

  • Guest

    Well alot of blks do get lighter as time go on.
    for example “michael jackson”

  • Greetings, AR community.

    About the commenter in this thread and at other times that calls “him” self “Gay Black Man.”

    This is one of many screen names that this one single troll uses to post all
    sorts of comments here at AR using all sorts of different personalities.

    From what I see on the moderation panel, this person supposedly uses an AOL e-mail domain ([email protected]) and the e-mail name before the @ symbol is some contrivance that is almost always either three, four or five letters long, examples being “eww,” “aww,” “asa,” “dean,” “cws,” “asdf,” “acvav,” and many others.

    Proof that this is all one person is that his or her comments all come from the same IPv4 domain name, that I have traced to Bluefield, West Virginia, or thereabouts.

    He or she has used, among others, the following screen names:

    Gay Black Man
    William
    Dean
    Racially Conscious White Person
    Race Conscious White
    Racially Conscious White Lady
    The Revolver
    Longtime Amren Poster
    Steve
    Albertina

    Furthermore, he (save me the keystrokes and assume the troll is a man) has responded to himself using various screen names, and has taken it so far as to pick fights with himself, and swear and cuss in the process, again using his various screen names.

    Now that I’ve been able to figure out that he or she is a single troll, I’ve dropped the hammer on that single IPv4 domain.

    • And I must have already struck a nerve; This expose of mine has already been flagged, presumably by the aforementioned and now banned troll.

      • LACounty

        Well done. A never ending battle for you, sir. No doubt.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Mods here don’t play around. Hope they keep us informed of any others that pop up. But of course these things can take some time and subtlety.

      • Alexandra1973

        So he had a bunch of sock puppets.

        I’m sure he/they won’t be missed, thanks!

  • Jack Burton

    A new study today found that politically motivated studies generally find what they are looking for due to confirmation bias.

    How many times have you heard of these studies prove themselves wrong? None really.

    Anyway, skin color is one of the least significant racial differences. Now if people remembered blacks with straight hair, Caucasian facial features, etc, then I would say there is some seriously delusional people out there.

  • Brian

    Refer to the biblical story of Joseph as vizier and the seven years of plenty and seven years of famine. It’s not hard to see how Joe’s behavior would inspire some resentment from the Egyptians.

  • Max

    All this might demonstrate is that people generally recognize and have higher expectations of whites and that is even after years of white-bashing by the edutocracy.

    So what?

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    I guess that would depend on whether the Christian Israeli Arabs have always been high achievers academically. I would need to see more detailed data on the IQ and academic performance of the different Israeli ethnic groups over time in order to come to any definite conclusions on the matter. A peer-reviewed study would be nice.

  • Truth Teller

    Since I can’t stand to look at them, I don’t notice. Ever seen Gone with the Wind? I can’t cope with the blacks in that movie. Every once in a while it’s on TCM. A couple minutes of Scarlett and 2 White men on the lawn. Then the camera moves to that 500 pound 6ft black actress with the ugliest ABO face I have ever seen. She screeches and cackles and I turn the TV off. TCM is the only channel I watch because the other channels are 40 percent commercial to 60 percent programming. A lot of the 1930’s movies featured that enormous black actress with that hideous ABO face. Ugh!!!!

  • Truth Teller

    Guest
    Cleopatra was not black or ethnic Egyptian. She was ethnic Macadonian Greek. She was a direct father to son well documented descendant of /alexander the Great’s half brother Ptolemy and one of their half sisters also named Cleopatra. Cleopatra was a Greek, not an Egyptian. name.
    There are thousands of existing coins with Cleopatra’s profile on them. Cleopatra was obviously White and had one of the more extreme Caucasian characteristics, an enormous nose.

  • Truth Teller

    There are 2 people posting as truth teller on this site. I’m the one who wrote the comment about Cleopatra’s genealogy. Engleman, my feelings and thoughts about Jews comes from the fact that 90 percent of the attorneys on the anti White side of every lawsuit from Brown vs. Topeka to the latest affirmative action suit have obviously, blatantly Jewish names.
    I know the names and many of the addresses of the attorneys in every affirmative action lawsuit from Griggs vs. Duke power and Kaiser vs Weber to today. I read the Los Angeles Jewish journal every week and I know exactly what Jews think of us sub human goyim. If all you old testament obsessed protestants on this site knew what Jews think of you you would change your pro Zionists stance and might even start reading the Christian part of the bible.
    Moderator, why don’t you stop allowing Engleman’s insulting posts.?
    I’m going to change my posting name. Maybe it will be an acromion for my feelings about the Judges who made the rulings on all the anti White lawsuits. Maybe it will be Eleanor Isabella for 2 White queens who did the right thing for their people.